 I am Nathaniel Rappeljitz from Nintendo Prime, and I am joined on this podcast as always by Mr. Eric Moore. Exactly, Eric Moore. I didn't know where you were going with this, because normally you introduced me. You should need no introduction. No, I don't. Can I go by Mr. Sexy now? Mr. Sexy, yeah, and you know it. This week we're also joined by two other special guests. One that seems to be a regular, one that's a semi-regular. Of course, those people would be the one and only streamer extraordinaire, Mr. 5G Gaming. Hey guys. And the, I guess I used to consider him to be like a Zelda YouTuber, but he does so much other stuff on his channel now. I don't know what he is anymore. Mr. GameOverJesse. Hi, thanks for inviting me back on once again. Isn't it like the most popular things on your channel? Have nothing to do with Zelda? Pretty much, yeah. He has like a 400,000 view video, and it's like top five scariest moments in gaming or something. Oh. Yes, yes. And by the way, I don't know if our editor is going to fully get it out, so I do apologize for our GameOverJesse's bracket that's apparently in the audio. I don't know, hopefully editing can take care of it. Editor, good luck. But if it doesn't work, I apologize. It's okay. It's only slightly annoying, right? Yeah. All right. So I believe this is episode 31. I think we hit 30 last time. Did we? Yes. Well, because we don't have this weekly right now. I don't always remember. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's episode 31. But as always, we're here to have all this talk about a bunch of Nintendo stuff. I was going to talk about Patreon, but you know, I'll save that for the end this time. This is, this week for our video version, we are again going to try one long video. This time, we're just going to title it podcast, you know, Enterprise Podcast Episode 31, and that's it. That's going to be the title. We'll see if, we'll see how many people are just interested in checking out the podcast for itself, based on what we're talking about. Because a lot of other things I do are based on what we're talking about, right? Like, oh, I'm talking about Switch Bang Gate, or I'm talking about like the recent topic that I just talked about. I think today actually was the day of recording this about should the Switch replace the 3DS. It's the topic we talked about in the podcast before, but I had some additional thoughts. And that's fine. Everything, the topics cool to draw people. My opinion is cool to draw people. But I want to see people are just interested in this as a strict podcast, rather than just checking this out because of the topic. So we'll see how that works. Obviously, if everything hits the fan, we could go back to splitting the podcast up in the future. I don't want to go back to that, but we'll see what happens. More editing. More editing. Yay. So let's just get right into it. We have three topics as we, two of them were selected by me. One of them was actually for the first time ever selected by somebody else. Mr. 5j over there. Not the first time. You had to get some topics before. No, no, not even that. One fan topic at one point. Oh, wow. Fan topics are always, by the way. We always allow fan topics. We don't get a lot of them submitted very often. You can ask them down in the YouTube comments if you would like. Chances are I'm probably going to forget about it by the time we record our next podcast, since we're not weekly. Just be honest. But if you don't want me to forget about your fan topic, or on Patreon, I know I didn't want to talk about it right now, but it's the best way to get your fan topic to us. Even if you are only a $1 support on our Patreon, you still get access to a Patreon exclusive post I put up every single week, or every week that we're going to have a podcast asking for fan topics. It's like specifically about fan topics. So if you just support us for $1, you can get your fan topic in. If you only want to do that for one month just to get your topic in for however many podcasts we have, great. Or you can submit 20 topics and bail out after a month and well, I guess I have 20 topics. That's cool. Why not? Well, let's just hop right into the topics for this week. And the reason I kept it down to just three, outside of the fact that I'm still tired, like Eric and I were helping my parents move into a new house. I know 5J has been busy tonight, and he went with Jesse. I don't know. He didn't get back to me until like an hour before the podcast, so I'm assuming he was busy too. I've noticed that we've been going, we've been hitting the two hour to two and a half hour mark consistently. And I realize I don't need four or five topics because we just keep spinning off into extra topics anyways. We do. Pretty much. Like the mother four debate was totally not on the topic list. It just happened. Yep. So I already know that this is going to spin off and have its own side topics and whatever as long as you guys enjoy the discussion, that's what matters. And the first topic for this week, the Nintendo of America did a poll asking their Twitter followers, how do they play their switch or where do they play their switch? And the poll concluded with 46,655 votes, which isn't a small margin. That's a pretty significant margin of votes. 7% of the people said that they play it mostly on the airplane. 5% say they play it mostly on a bus or train. 5% say they mostly play it on the beach slash park. And a whopping 83% say they play it at home. So the question I have for you three is where do you mostly play your switch? Just jump in whoever wants to jump in on this. Bob Jade, do you want to go first? Sure. So first, I thought that the question was a little weird. Like how much time do you really spend on a train in the beach, you know? You spend most of your time at home, right? Whether or not it's sleeping or eating or whatever, maybe you are somebody who's on the road a lot, but most people spend two thirds of their day at home the other day, a 30-year day working. So it seems to me that they weren't going to get very good data out of this. It should have been more of like choose all of the places where you play your switch. Do you play it when you're in the car on a bus on the subway? Do you play it when you go out anywhere with your friends or do you leave it at home? Do you take it traveling in an airplane? Yeah, I think that makes more sense. I think this poll was flawed in that I think I understand what they were trying to find out. They were trying to find out what's the split between people playing it on their TV and people playing it portable. Right. My whole theory with this question is that why don't they just come straight out and say, look, do you play it on your TV or do you play it in handheld? Because even 3DS players play it at home. Oh yeah. So it's like if you want to figure out, because this tells them nothing. There's nothing to benefit from this. There's not even an interesting fact. It's like only 5% of your people take a bus or train. Well, guess what? A bus or train is not really even an option where I live. Right. There's a beach, I guess. I won't call it a beach, but we have raised beach. Yeah, raised beach. There's a river beach as well. Yeah. Both have sign saying don't swim. So man made things. They polluted like it. So it's like, so the 5% bus or train, that's going to apply to big cities. The beach or park are basically going to apply to people that live by really big parks or live on the coast. And I know that's where like a lot of people in the United States live, but not everyone. Yeah. And there's a lot of states that have winter that is cold and snowy. So that question would be seasonal then. Yeah. So I think I understand where they were going with it. I think they just should have been more direct. Yeah. There's a lot of people that I know that have only played their switch in docked mode a few times. They mostly just use it as a portable device or like as Nate was saying, even if they're at home playing, they're on the couch playing good or they're in their bed and then unnecessarily playing it on the big beach. And I think it would have been a really interesting question too if they put it that way because I know personally, you know, we're talking about where do you play your switch. Now I know that my answer is I primarily play in docked mode, but that's because of what I do here. Exactly. I live stream. Now I have sort of, so I met with this guy talking about a partnership and he sort of kind of sort of let slip exactly how to use Nintendo footage without getting copyright claimed. We must talk after this. I need to know. Nothing I can do about live streams but about any other content. Sure. Okay. But it's interesting. It's cool that I now know how to do this. I mean, I'm going to have more footage being shown in my stuff. There'll still be still images and stuff, but there'll be relevant footage. Or if I happen to be really lazy today, like one video I did today was a 17 minute video. 17 minutes of me playing Breath of the Wild. Now it just happened to be on the Switch and I mentioned Breath of the Wild a bunch. So it was kind of topical. I don't game over. Jesse hates when people play games on their videos that are irrelevant to the conversation. Yeah, yeah. That's that's that's not that's never going to be true with us because I'm in the department to play games that are on the Switch. Great. You know, around the 3DS. So like it's the worst You're not going to see me busting out Destiny 2 on PC while I'm talking about Switch sales or something. Right. But I understand why YouTubers do it because it's easier to get around the copyright claims. And I feel like for me, you know, where do you play your Switch? Well, because of what I do, it's primarily docked mode. But if I'm honest about if I wasn't a YouTuber, it would be portable because I wouldn't be in my office all day next to my dock. I wouldn't be able to use my TV because my kids are using it. I would be playing it handheld because I just think when I'm not working because I consider even when I play games, I consider myself working. It's very rare. I get to sit down and just play a game and not think about how it impacts what I do, especially on Switch. I'm still playing Madden. That doesn't matter. I'll sort of my thoughts on how Madden can work on Switch. I'll see you when I'm playing other systems. How could this work? But it's hard for me to get out of that mindset and get back to just being just a gamer. So because of that, it's primarily docked. But I think about other things I play that I don't cover. I play Taps for Spaceball a lot on my phone. I play a lot of things. If I do happen to play a game on my Switch that's not for a stream or not for anything, it's a small indie game that I don't plan to cover. And it's all in portable. So it's like, I think I would primarily use my Switch in portable mode if I wasn't a YouTuber needing to record footage and needing the stream all the time. So it's like, I appreciate that it's a docked console because it would suck if I had to buy a modded Switch to record like I did with the 3DS. $500 for a modded 3DS that I've technically never recorded footage off of even once. Oh my gosh, really? I made a test recording when I got it to make sure it worked. It was, it still worked. I guess I don't know for sure. Did we not make any Tri-Force heroes? Tri-Force heroes? No videos, no we don't. Because we were kind of on the written walk through at the time. And then it's like a bot. Right. It didn't really matter. Right. But yeah. So I guess that kind of question pointed at like any question about where I play the Switch is going to be unfair for me. And unfair for even 5J, I mean, we're talking about three people here who make video content and then there's Eric. Right. And I have still yet to dock my You've been taking your dock out of your box. Oh, it's not in my box, but it's just Is it hooked up to anything? No. It's still sitting. Yeah. No, I have yet to dock my Switch. That's amazing. So now you are someone who plays basically exclusively portable you just said. Yeah. Where do you primarily play it? Home. Yeah. Or if I'm here I was actually curious if you played it outside of here because I do play it at home every once in a while. Okay. That's what I was wondering because I was so guilty that you got to switch day one is like you only play it when you're here, but you're an unpaid worker. You don't have to only play it when you're here. What are you talking about? I'm a paid worker. I paid you to work. Some days, some days. But no, it yeah, you're still unpaid. Yeah. I'm negative pain. Yeah, negative pain. Oh, but no, there's I don't know. So I guess this is a hard topic for you to talk about in hindsight because outside of Eric, we all kind of obligated to almost play it in doc mode. Well, but I'd say that, you know, when I'm not streaming, I'm still playing games. Yeah. And so I have right now where I'm sitting is my streaming area. Here's a TV in front of me. My switch dock is there. Everything runs through my capture card all the time because it'd be too much of a hassle to unhook it. So many times I will put like Netflix on the TV instead of the switch and be sitting here in this chair, even though the dock is right there and play it in portable mode while I got a TV show going. So that's how I would do it. I like it as a portable platform as well. Yeah. On my TV, like even when I'm working and making videos outside of when I'm actually recording audio, I'm always playing Netflix in the background. I have the Brewer games going. Brewer games going, Packer games going, you know, Bucks games when I start up again. Like I always had something going on in the background and something that I'm definitely paying attention to, but I'm not. It's not distracting me a lot. It's helping me actually kind of focus on my work. So yeah, like I think if it wasn't, especially now that I'm going to recording footage for my videos, I think I would be one of those as much as I almost hate to say it because I've spent so much time dissing the 3DS that people think I hate it. That I would be an exclusive, almost an exclusive handheld gamer with it. Very few times would I actually, even though I feel like a big breath of the wild, it runs better and it looks better to me in 720p on that screen than it does on my bigger TV. It's a nice screen. It is. Even at 720p, like once you get a screen that size, the resolution doesn't matter as much unless you're like looking for perfect colors, like some media artists will easily notice the coloration is not exactly perfect. Yeah, it's not AMOLED. Yes, it's not AMOLED. Or, you know, pixel density matters for things like VR. So if we were using a virtual reality situation, yeah, 720p probably not going to work. But I don't know, you guys have any other thoughts on like, where do you play your switch and portable versus handheld? Portable versus doctor mode. Jesse, you didn't speak up a whole lot there. What are your thoughts? Like I was just thinking that for me, it really is perfect for both situations. But I do typically find myself playing it on the go just because I'm either on the go or someone is watching TV already. As some of you mentioned, it's really nice to have a movie on or a TV show in the background and then play the switch. I find myself, whenever I'm doing, like playing the game while doing something else, it's I'm listening to a podcast while I'm playing the game. Not necessarily listening or watching a TV show. But even with my little brother, and this, I don't know if you guys know any little kids, if you have any little brothers, sisters or kids or whatever, but he prefers playing it in handheld mode as well. Just to get like a kid's perspective into this. Like I'll notice nobody is on the TV. There's no movies or anything that people are watching, but he still prefers to play it in handheld mode. I don't know if that's because the screen's closer to him or if it's more comfortable for him. But I always find it interesting to see people's different preferences because every time that I would play a game on the 3DS or the Vita in the back of my head, I was thinking, oh, well, this is fun, but it would be cool to see how it would look on an actual console on a TV. But now that we have a console that can do both, it seems most people are playing it in handheld mode. So it's kind of counterproductive to what I was saying. But I think it's interesting in that the if you look at the history, I mean, this is obviously just talking about Nintendo platforms, but you can even almost argue that it kind of ties into even Sony who had a successful handheld platform at one point in the PSP. Handheld gaming has almost always been more popular than any individual home console gaming. Even for Nintendo, as big as the NES and SNES were, even as big as the Wii was, it was not their bestseller of that generation. It was always the handheld. And I think, you know, now that Nintendo has reached a stage where the Switch and the 3DS now can both be portable, but ones also be able to use in your TV, now you give console gamers that love playing on the console, if you just want to play strictly in DAC, well, that's fine. I know there's plenty of our viewers that do just that, but I think when you're given the choice, you're finding that a lot more people are going to choose handheld. And that kind of gets into my whole conversation. I just had, you know, a few days before this podcast aired about, you know, Switch replacing the 3DS and we've talked about it before. I, you know, when you're talking about where do you play or how do you play it, because so many people are playing it in portable mode, it's almost like why does the 3DS still exist? Besides the fact that it already has a big install base? That's the only reason. What games do they do on 3DS you can't do on Switch? Even with the two-screen thing, I'm sorry, there hasn't been so much unique things done with that two-screen thing that you can't do that on one. It was almost dead by the end of the DS and then they made a whole new console with it. They did something similar to how the 3DS, the only reason that, I mean realistically, the only reason they want to tell you the only reason they are still supporting the 3DS is just because everybody who wants a Switch can't get one and the 3DS still has millions and millions of units that they can still put the games on. It was the same whenever the 3DS first came out, they were making new games for the 3DS. Everybody thought whatever the sequel or the follow-up to Black and White was was going to be on the 3DS since. But because the Nintendo DS still had a massive amount more units sold than the 3DS which at that time was still new, they ended up putting the best-selling game on the DS because they knew it would make more money there. It wasn't really because it was better suited for the DS or anything like that. It was just well, we may have 5 million 3DS's sold, another game on there or this other thing has 40, 50, 60 million units sold, we can put it on there and make 10 times as much money. That's the main reason that they're still putting these games on the 3DS. Or at least that's my thought. No, I totally get it. It's one of those that I think the 3DS is just around because it's already sold and has a big install base. And we've talked in the past about they're not really having their A teams on the 3DS and heck we're getting a Pokemon RPG now for Switch which has never happened on anything close to resembling a console. Although they did technically I think have one in development for the N64 at one point that never released. But it's still really interesting in that I feel like the Switch is in a unique place where it's starting to think people who saw some crazy analysts on GameStop and other people that are saying, oh the Switch could be 100 million unit seller. I'm starting to think it's not so crazy because I started looking at the 3DS is the worst selling handheld in Nintendo's history but it's still sold like 70 million units. Minus the Virtual Boy? I don't consider that a handheld or home console. I consider it garbage but let's move on. No reality experiment that failed. Anyways so you have the 3DS at 70 million which not only like 10 million back of the Game Boy which is the next one up so it's not even that bad but I'm like okay so if you combined let's say there are 70 million people that still love playing Nintendo games portable then you combine that with the 13 million people that bought the Wii U to play games as a home console. That's 83 million units sold is it that crazy to think the Switch could sell 17 more million units than that since it combines both those audiences together? I don't know if it's that crazy now obviously there's crossover right? I think most people that own the Wii U probably also own the 3DS so it's not an exact 1 to 1 ratio but my main argument when I said Switch should take over the 3DS is that I think Nintendo I think we've never seen Nintendo at their absolute best because they've always flipped their attention between two platforms. I think if they could put all of their development force for games into a single platform one it ends game droughts regardless of their party support I also think it might lead to more third party support because there's going to be a reason for people to buy a Switch every single month all third parties would have to do then is release their games on the weeks when the Nintendo games aren't really seen and we've already seen that the weeks that ARMS aren't coming out so 2-2 is not coming out, other games come out and just the Sonic Mania come out and we haven't seen sales for another Switch yet but I'm sure it's sold decently well hopefully we'll get an NPD update next year or next month hopefully we'll see Nintendo or Sega release or at least say something about the Switch sales because it's going to be a combined sales across all platforms but it'll be interesting to say hey look it actually sold best on Switch I'm like that wouldn't surprise me despite the fact that Switch doesn't have as many units out there because it's the only portable one it's the only portable one there's nothing that visually stunning about it that you would say I need to have that PlayStation 4 Pro so I can have it in 4K because it does have 4K on PlayStation 4 but it's like yeah that's great, that's fantastic but most people would rather be like I can have an 1080p dock or I can just take it with me anywhere it's such an appealing factor and I think if Nintendo puts all their focus in that I'm certain to think it's not so crazy that the Switch could hit 100 million hit more than 100 million because I don't know we've never seen a Nintendo ever focus everything on a single system and I think that's why I'm now in the ballpark I used to be like oh just kill the 3DS off when it makes financial sense I think it already makes financial sense because it's already quarter to quarter month to month outselling the 3DS in almost every territory game-wise it's starting to outsell the 3DS and we're going to get into that in the next topic everything's already swinging the Switch's way for where they should be pushing it as hard as they can now I get it, there's a legacy we do know that Pokemon, Ultra Sun, Ultra Moon they're also going to come out, that's going to push 3DS sales it might even make it sell more than the Switch this holiday because that's just the power of Pokemon but then Pokemon's going to switch and the power of Pokemon is going to affect Switch as well so I mean it might affect Switch in a way that we've never seen before because an HD Pokemon game it's never happened not a mainline game so it was like Pocah park or something lame I think another thing that will boost the sales of the Switch is as I've mentioned many times Nintendo always comes out with a revised version of whatever console they have especially if it's a handheld console they had four or five different versions of the DS and the 3DS so whenever the next version of the Switch comes out whatever it may be whether it's just a different which or has a crazy design on it, more memory, whatever the case may be whenever they do that people that already own a Switch that may be enough for them to be like oh well maybe it's time I buy a second Switch yeah actually I think the Switch is the first you know partially home console they've had that is primed for a mid-gen refresh like we've seen even this last gen with the PlayStation 4 and now the Xbox One with the Xbox One X coming out because really a few things one there are some known issues with the Switch not anything that's like game breaking or you know destroys it in general but you know some people are getting their Switches bent because they're overheating I now notice with my Switch after doing my battery big test and having it running for straight now my fan makes a little noise which means one of the fins might be bent I don't know what happened it just sat there I didn't even touch it so I don't know how it happened it just did it on its own probably from too much heat right so so there's the heat issue that if not seeing this affects everyone of course it doesn't affect everyone it's also going to be reliant on what the ambient heat is in the rooms you're playing in where you live yada yada yada so like bend the gate doesn't affect everyone in fact it probably affects a very small percentage probably less than 2% of the total audience but it is an issue that can turn consumers off there's you know the issue that some people have had with the left joy con I know that I think that's been corrected I don't think anyone who who's bought one from June on has had this issue and Nintendo does fix it for free but still the fact that Nintendo has to publicly say they have to fix this for free they have to do this and on top of that you have the fact that yes all other competition in the gaming field is moving beyond what the switch can do in a lot of respects it already was beyond and now it's moving way beyond and people are willing to sacrifice to a point for portable but are they willing to sacrifice entirely for a portable console and so what also leads to besides maybe needing some new redesign choices with the cooling and stuff is the fact that the X2 just released recently in a single product the Tegra X2 the Tegra X2 is built on the exact same architecture as the Tegra X1 but it's more powerful than the Tegra X1 so give it two years it might be cheap enough and it's supposedly this is like a 10-year partnership so you can't tell me they're trying to seriously run the Nintendo switch for a decade without an upgrade or a refresh so the Tegra X2 running on the same architecture is perfect for a mid-gen refresh where they can drop you know say and I've talked about this before drop the dock on the original switch sell it at $200 bring out a new system at $300 like switch 2 they'll probably call it the new Nintendo switch because they're addicted to that new Nintendo new Super Mario Bros. U new Nintendo switch anyways so they release that and that has the Tegra X2 it's more powerful it might not be able to do 4K gaming but it could say 4K Netflix 4K you know it can have a 4K output is what I'm saying so it could up res the 4K but games are never made of 4K like Xbox One S there's a handful of indie games that it would probably be able to run in 4K but it's not going to be running like Mario because it has to run through a battery I don't think they're going to do that I think they would do it like like the Xbox One S it doesn't actually give you 4K gaming it up ress your games to 4K which sometimes does a better job than your TVs all your 4K TVs up res all your 4K gaming to 4K but they don't always do a very good job which is why there's all these devices that exist to up res everything so I think it could do that especially for streaming and obviously it could up res for games but it's still going to be native 1080p that's up res to 4K and that's not going to say it's as powerful as the PlayStation 4 even the PlayStation 4 Pro or the Xbox One X of course not but it could make it more comparable to the PlayStation 3's enough power that they feel like because games a lot of people forget when we look at third party games is very rarely unless they are exclusive to a platform are they built in a way that they're not scalable right so when Naughty Dog builds a game exclusively for PlayStation 4 of course that game's not built to scale because it's built for right now two specific platforms PlayStation 4 Pro and PlayStation 4 so it's not going to be able to scale down correctly of course not it wasn't built for that platform but for games that are cross platform let's take more so ones that also come on on PC so let's take as an example one that is coming to Switch NBA 2K18 that comes out on Xbox One it comes out on PlayStation 4 it comes out on Switch it's a game that the engine is built in a way to scale and you have to any game that comes out on PC your engine has to be built that way because you've got to account for the multitude you have to account for the $200 netbooks and the $3000 gaming rigs out there that people are going nuts with they have to account for all this so usually that means the top end consumer is not really going to ever get the best possible game they possibly can because they're not going to push it that far but it also means that every the general consumer against a PC will be able to play it so when you consider that there are some PC games of third party games right now that if you look at it and you're looking at the visuals you're looking at the FPS you're looking at the lack of anti-aliasing you're looking at this stuff and you're like okay so I can run this on low settings and it looks like a freaking N64 game you're going to tell me that can't run on Switch right you can probably run better looking than that on Switch and you know X1 architecture is very similar to PC architecture and is supposedly easy to port so with a mid-gen refresh one because it's built on the same architecture as the X1 that's fully backwards compatible right away without any effort all the old switch games work on it so that's perfect for a mid-gen refresh that's perfect for a new 3DS type thing where all the old games work there's no no patches no nothing just works where now like you get X1X you want to take full of energy you gotta download the 4K pack no no it just works no no if ands or buts you just put your cartridge in it works just like the original switch you can make you then you can make games that now scale depending on which switch you use just like for which place you know when you buy a PlayStation 4 game you're not buying the PlayStation 4 pro version of the game you're just buying the PlayStation 4 game works on both different resolutions different FPS on platform and now they can do that with switch and so the game could still it might be fully optimized for the first switch to or new Nintendo switch but it still works with the original switch so you're not kicking people like us that were day one to the curb of course I would totally buy the new Nintendo switch anyways especially I mean it's gonna exist on like I'm sorry switch if you're new Nintendo switches coming out December I'm selling you now and I could probably get all my money back still even though the restocks have been better this week this past week's been crazy feels like every retailer in the U.S. something got switches this week yeah all games all games got it that was into some sales numbers it does doesn't it the MPD is officially in I did a video on this earlier in the week and it was on the leak and the leak basically gave us said the switch was number one 277,000 units so I don't know where that number came from because now the MPD is out we don't have any sales numbers we just know switches number one and the Splatoon 2 is number one that was confirmed but there's some interesting things out of the MPD that I feel like we should talk about that also might speak towards this the previous topic well how do we play our switch and you know so Splatoon 2 was the number one selling game period they beat our all multi-platform games everything there was not a single game in North America in July that sold better than Splatoon 2 and didn't that come late in the month too oh man when did Splatoon 2 come out it was like a 21st or something wasn't it I really don't remember feels like I haven't played it for a while but we've only had we're only we're only entering our second Splatfest now so I think it was around the July 21st so it only was like what 10 days of sales crazy it's number one in 10 days and we know it was getting number one in Japan that's great whatever of course Japan loves Splatoon 2 but like for it to take number one in North America it's huge what's even more surprising Breath of the Wild was number five for July Mario Kart 8 Deluxe number seven three of the top ten best selling software titles in like all of North America for the month of July were strictly Nintendo Switch only games now is this you just going to a bunch of different stories or what MPD no what it was a joke saying that you were the one buying all the different I have to get through all of our heads and I gotta go this out there because I feel like this is also interesting number 17 was ARMS not bad new IP so we know that a new IP was still in the top 20 selling games a month later which is really cool so good for ARMS we don't know what that means we don't know what the sales units are we obviously and this doesn't include any digital sales so the sales are usually actually even higher let's just say where did it where did it peak at well the first month we know it sold 1.2 million that was announced by Nintendo there was no at the time of recording this Nintendo hasn't said anything about the MPD yet so we don't know any updates on the ARMS sales we don't know updates on Mario Kart 8 Zola or Splatoon 2 really surprised that Splatoon 2 taking number one that they didn't really suppress really telling us how good it sold because usually when you're number one you like to tout right right usually here this is how many switches sold this is but they didn't say anything they might wonder if it's performing under their expectations well you have to remember this is July so it was still hard to get the switch right yeah and even to this day it really wasn't that easy to get a switch until now for the first time since launch I walked into three different stores this week and all three had a switch in stock and I knew there I'll know these restocks happening there's all the reports so there's restocking Walmart restocking that's by restocking all game stores are restocking so clearly there was a huge shipment that came out to North America probably after they felt like they caught up well enough in Japan which I don't know how they caught up well enough in Japan they're still having they're still having lotteries and stuff whatever yay North America we're getting now's the time to buy a switch because who knows the supply chain is going to stay this way I'm surprised it's actually not all going to Japan since they have monster hundred double cross coming out now too so they should really be gearing up but maybe they think you know maybe they're thinking well Mario and Rabbids Kingdom battle just might be a big deal this month which I hope it is but we don't know maybe maybe they're hoping maybe they want to show maybe this is a sign I know this is speculated but maybe they're trying to tell 2k hey look we want to get as many units out to consumers in North America as we can for your MIA game we want to show you that we're not just doing this for our games but let's do this for your game too granted that comes out like September 15th but still having the owners now is going to increase the chances of that thing selling better so we'll see so I think well it's number one in July obviously this between two is number one and I think that's why Zelda and Mario Kart were high too because new switch owners went off went by Zelda went by Mario Kart but I don't know but I think it also shows that when you move into next month it'll be very interesting now that I am consciously aware that at least as of the middle of August there is enough switch units out there that I'm now starting to see them on shelves that means you're starting to slowly catch up to demand and if you're catching up to the demand that's when you start seeing what the real demand is is that 277,000 in July is that that's rumored is that I mean that's good period I mean that's what PlayStation 4 sells 200,000 units every single month all the time and everyone talks about how awesome that is so those kids are that's really good numbers in the middle of the summer a non holiday period which Switch has never even had a holiday period yet and it's probably well we know for sure it's definitely over 5 million units because the last time they updated that first quarter you know we're like a month a month and a half or so after that so they've obviously sold over 5 million they're probably closer to six maybe seven by now it's crazy what they're doing because none of this includes the crazies with two numbers by the way that's about half the total we use sales lifetime yes yes and the system has been on the market how long yeah so a little over a little over five months six months yeah it's more five and a half months so we're reaching the half the halfway point of the first year the Switch has been on the market and it's probably already sold at least half of the total of the Wii U did in four years yep that's crazy and that's what's so cool about this MPD is the month before the Nintendo was number two it was PlayStation 4 number one now Nintendo wasn't that far behind yeah and that was the month arms came out and Nintendo wasn't that far behind but it felt like those numbers were supply and restraint right and they probably naturally increased supply for Splatoon 2's launch because they know Splatoon was going to sell probably better than arms just because it has a following already so then coming to this month I'm really interested to see with the big Switch game this month at least being just Mario and Rabbids Kingdom Metal which I as much as I love it I don't know how it's going to sell and it's a third party game technically technically it's a crossover like Fire Emblem Warriors as much as like it's created by a third party but it's in partnership with Nintendo that makes sense so I don't really count it as a true third party game until it's like an actual third party exclusive game not like oh yeah we're making you a Dynasty Warriors game but we're crossing it over Fire Emblem it's like okay well how well would an actual Dynasty Warriors game sell probably not that well to be honest real dinosaur games don't even sell that well to be honest that's why they do the crossovers that's the only way they can sell their games sorry Dynasty Warriors makers I don't mean to crap all over you but you guys know it they were cool once upon a time and then they made 37 sequels one piece and Zelda and Fire Emblem and the zillions of other crossovers was Dynasty Warriors the game that whenever they did the PS3 reveal PlayStation was like we're focusing on realism and everything and then there was the giant spider thing maybe I don't remember it's an old joke or an old meme I know what you're talking about I can't remember if it was that keep thinking it was Skyrim but I think it predated Skyrim I can't remember so other than interesting notes besides the fact that Switch was the top selling platform in July Breath of the Wild is the second best selling game in all of 2017 Ghost Recon Wildlands again impressive because it's a console exclusive game and the number one game is multi platform and on platforms with many many millions available consoles that's the thing the Breath of the Wild was on the Wii U which had less sales than anything and on the Switch which wasn't able to sell as much if you look at it to this point we probably still haven't crossed 20 million combined install base between Wii U and Switch Breath of the Wild on just 20 million potential consumers is the second best selling game for the whole year over all the other multi platform games possible out there what's even crazier is Breath of the Wild is now in the top 10 games for the past 12 months so that includes that doesn't include August at all so that includes January through July and then the entire holiday period of last year so that includes the releases of FIFA and NBA impressive Call of Duty these games that do continue to have like we even see if you look at the top 10 top 20 games of this month you're still seeing NBA 2K17 is still selling really well despite the fact that 2K18 is coming out in like 2 weeks so these are games that continue to sell a lot over time and Breath of the Wild being out for only not even 8 months this year it's all for 5 and a half months or at the time of this thing 5 months it's already in less than half a year in the top 10 for the past 12 months including a full holiday period that it was not present for only 20 million units that includes Call of Duty which always a lot of the games I mentioned are ahead of it it's at the number 8 spot so it's not really high on the list but it wasn't on the list before still top 10 I went back and checked as of June the MPD for June it was not in the top 10 for the previous 12 months so I don't know if a game fell off or because it was number 5 in sales last month it boosted it up that's probably what happened I'm assuming that's what happened because I looked back at the month that fell off and I can't think of any games that released that month that would have been a big impact compared to the holiday games so just really really cool that I guess from this you know I just spent a lot of time going over this stuff what do you guys think this means for the future of Switch I think this is amazing news because it means even the Wii U sold out whenever it first launched as I think almost every console does but the fact that the Switch almost said Wii the fact that the Switch keeps selling out and there are people that are still actively trying to get one means that I think as many Switch units as Nintendo is able to put out especially with the holiday season coming up they had the launch and then they have the holiday season and then there's that middle gap which we're in now even in the middle gap where interest shouldn't be as high as it is it's still selling out so I think for the rest of 2017 and this is what I said before the Switch even released but that was just speculation I think however many units Nintendo is able to create in 2017 is exactly how many they're going to sell because a lot of people were saying do you think it will sell 2 million 5 million 10 million how many Switches will sell before it's first year in 2017 is up and my answer was always however many Nintendo can make if they could make 5 million they'll obviously sell out if they make 10 million they'll sell out yeah and to your point Nintendo said that for this fiscal year which goes through March 2018 they would sell 10 million units this fiscal year plus the launch month that would put it at 12.7 million for I guess what almost feels like the first full year on the market because it's really weird like this fiscal year because that doesn't include the launch month of the Switch but yet it's basically the first 13 months you know 12.7 million units that's really good especially since we're talking about over half of the sales didn't come during the holidays and you know the holidays are going to be big and it's really crazy even this year you think oh what's the big game for the holidays oh it's in my honesty it really comes up before Halloween so I don't even know if they know what their big game is yet I mean Zodabay Chronicles 2 maybe they're trying to hype that up as their big holiday game or maybe they just think you know what our library is so huge that when people go out on Black Friday they see Switch they're going to see Mario Kart and Mario and Zelda and Arms they're just going to be like man how do I not own the system yet yeah especially when you think about it it also because of when they released it in March there is a potential they could run actual Black Friday deals around $50 off the price in the game that would be so cool because they normally don't do that no they don't, especially in the first year but because it released it early in the year they could be like look it's better on the market long enough let's run a Black Friday deal let's sell it for $250 with a game especially a game that's been out we never had a price drop in like four years imagine if they did $250 with Zelda for the holidays that would be the best game on the Switch Eric looks distressed what was it they'll make you feel bad for what they're doing like Ocarina of Time, 3D and Wind Waker HD they released those as like $20 games on the Wii and 3DS so like doing it with Breath of the Wild because they'll still be able to make money from people who got Breath of the Wild for free because they might be interested in buying the DLC plus you look at one it's already one of the best selling games of the year everyone's going to know what that game is at least because in the gaming community it's been continually talked about as one of the best and then you buy that system and then all of a sudden you see oh but look at all these other great games so I can get the greatest game one of the greatest games this year maybe Game of the Year for $250 plus I can get Mario Odyssey that's probably going to compete for Game of the Year I don't think Splatoon 2 is going to compete for Game of the Year but it's still really really good you know you might wonder what Arms is about maybe you want Skyrim on the go there's a lot certainly if they can do a Black Friday deal like that I don't know if they can but if they could it would be very interesting to me to see how that can impact because reality is PlayStation 4 and Xbox One the base units could literally be $200 of Black Friday yeah very possibly so like for Nintendo to be like yeah $300 with like four games or you can get Nintendo Switch for $300 with no games a system that's not as powerful and you know employees and GameStop will consistently remind you it's not as powerful or say it's for kids or something yeah but you can get why would you get a Switch for $300 no games when you can go get this Xbox One for your kid and get Minecraft for free and this for free and this game for free with it with a controller for $200 I think it's entirely possible Nintendo does some deluxe or limited time bundle to where you get the Switch, the Joy-Cons a pro controller and one game that way it needs to be bundled like you could sell it as more we're talking about bundles isn't there a certain bundle coming exclusively to Walmart oh yeah I've seen pre-orders I've seen pre-orders for the Splatoon 2 it is the I believe what I read the game comes with it because it's the same one from Japan so that would be the first ever bundled in game that's probably a digital code bundled in game that's a themed quote unquote theme system they just call it the Joy-Cons but that's just I mean it's weird too because like it's Nintendo's official first themed system of like their own thing but then you have like Monster Hunter Double Cross coming out and there's like a bundle in Japan that literally put like an exclusive pattern on the docks and it looks yeah it looks badass and I'm like why isn't it okay so if this third party company can get that why isn't Nintendo doing this why isn't there by now in the middle of summer a Zelda bundle that has like a themed thing to it and that might piss people off but trust me I'll trade in my Switch and get that it'll happen well plus it helps the trading value switch is stupid high right now I don't know if it's gonna remain that high if they're catching up the demand but still what did you have to say Eric I can tell you you got something right there the only reason why I could see them not doing a Black Friday deal is because they know they can sell if they haven't caught up to demand they know they can sell it at the 300 they don't have to cut it so I mean it might be smart for them to do it but they don't have to because if the demand is still there well I look at it as if the demand is as high as it really is we're talking about a Black Friday deal so we're talking about a one day only maybe a two day maybe they also do a cyber monday on Amazon or something but if it's just that one day deal I think they're willing to jump in because they're only committing so many units to that $250 price point and it makes you look competitive with everybody else even if yeah they can get more games with them they're not getting a potential game with a year with them you're getting older games so plus you know that Sony and PlayStation are going to be pushing in PlayStation 4 Pro they're 1TB consoles that are more expensive Xbox One X is coming out this holiday so they have their own issues that can overshadow those cheaper systems where Nintendo can be like look for a single day you can get this and if it sells out and you already know it's been immensely popular don't worry we're going to consistently restock it and the majority of what they sell over the holidays would be $300 they could do something like they did with Amazon on Black Friday where they got an exclusive Amazon new 3DS with Super Mario Land Super Mario World the SNES game on it it was like a $100 bundle on Black Friday only only on Amazon and when the quantities were gone they were gone they could do something like that if they just do it as a one day or like a one day in store one day online thing I feel like it's okay because the majority of their sales still are going to be at the $300 no game and the only thing that bothers, the only thing that Nintendo has to realize if they did that though however is after this holiday next year if they're going to keep it at $300 because you did a deal $250 with a game you're going to have to start doing $300 with a game you're going to have to start bundling in games in 2018 right the deluxe Wii U became the standard Wii U after a while and that's the thing and that's why I feel like the Zelda bundle at $250 including the game they could bring that back at $300 including the game in 2018 because they're talking about long tail sales the DLC is behind you but the DLC is not included so you still have to buy the DLC if you want it and now anyone who doesn't own a Switch or couldn't get one this year still realize oh now I'm paying $300 but I still get Zelda that's really cool because Nintendo nothing at that point Zelda's already made money for them and if they're really serious about does Zelda be the best selling Zelda they've ever made well you bundle it in after this year it's probably going to be the best selling Zelda game ever made just because of bundles you got to push it as far as possible at that point oh it sold three times as well as our best one and that wouldn't even have to be the only one like say you know arms sales fellow for Cliff they could have a bundle that has arms in it now with the arms theme control they could bring the Splatoon 2 bundle back they could just start bundling games and giving people options bundle Mario Odyssey by summer at some point or by the next holiday season have a Mario Odyssey bundle 250 again and just keep repeating this it'd be really cool to have like a dock that has the basically looks like a Mario hat like Mario's head like it took over your dock yeah that would be awesome that would be sick, that would be sick hey Nintendo, work on it maybe they already have that yeah it's very interesting what could happen you know obviously we don't know right this is all predicting but I feel like Nintendo is they're set up so well they could do it they could not do it and get away with it for this year I think they could not do a price reduction not do a bundle in game and because of the lineup because of the demand they'll get away with it I just feel like it gives Nintendo a reason to try to think they can get away with it again next year and one we don't know what's in the lineup this year we know some games are coming next year, we don't know when right now unless Metroid and Pokemon are both landing next year which it sounds like Pokemon is definitely not landing next year and the fact that we haven't seen Metroid Prime at all tells us Metroid Prime is probably not landing next year either that means the two games that people are most hyped for aren't going to be there, they're going to be 2019 so you start looking at 2018 and obviously there's games you don't know about we have no idea what Retro Studios are doing that have like over half of Nintendo Studios are doing right now so obviously there could be a strong lineup again in 2018 but it's hard to imagine a stronger lineup in 2018 than this year when you have one of the best Zelda games ever made potentially one of the best Mario games ever made plus you had Mario Kart you could have Smash hit next year but you're not going to get Mario Kart one of the best Mario's, one of the best Zelda's it's probably ever happened again this generation so you already know your 2018 lineup unless it's like had people come on at the end and somehow had Metroid Prime in the beginning it's probably not going to be able to come close to 2017 so that's why I like the 250 bundle idea because I feel like that sets Nintendo up to bundle games in next year and still justify the $300 price point whereas now if they just coast this year keep making the $300 per unit which they can get away with they're going to make them think okay we can do that in 2018 and then start going back a little bit as everyone who wanted who felt like I needed to buy this to play these games now they don't see any games on the horizon they're interested in in 2018 that doesn't mean there's not going to be good games right there's going to be but like the huge hype games that I need to own a system to play it might not be there so you look at that all these good games are coming out we're getting more Splatoon type games more arms type games I almost feel like it would be a mistake if they didn't do a bundle even if they just do a $300 for the game set themself up to do something in 2018 that's better value for consumers than it is right now in 2017 we need to make as many as we can 2018 I think it needs to be now we need to start adding more value to that $300 price point maybe this is just my dream don't include a game but release I mean it's okay to not include a game but then include the name pro controller yeah yes $70 added value to your $300 price point anyone who wants to use a traditional home console that's been holding back because they didn't want to spend 70 bucks now doesn't have an excuse I could also even see them going with a bundled like amiibo even instead of a game sure they've done that with Wii U I think there was a Mario maker amiibo bundle the head Mario maker game with the amiibo for it right yes sure did and it was the only way you could get the modern colored a bit Mario which of course the collector sucks because you got to buy only Wii U yes I don't have it there's nothing special about the system but you see let me get the amiibo I mean you can get it second hand but it probably costs you almost more than the system did right so you might as well buy the system and resell the system and get some money back but yeah I don't know it'll be interesting you know again this is a good an ongoing conversation I think we're going to continue to have about switch sales and where it could lead to because we're unknown territory again if this turns out to be a platform that we find out in 2018 Nintendo has all their teams working on for the first time in Nintendo's history on a single platform we don't know what they're thinking I just see a path here where I feel like this would be the best way to continue potentially even bigger sales year in 2018 despite not having Mario and Zelda because now people in 2018 feel like they're getting the value of Mario and Zelda for less than people paid in 2017 but again that's just me I don't know what Nintendo is thinking maybe they have some crazy game with their sleeves maybe they somehow somehow I don't know I mean it would cost them like half their company what they call duty is exclusive to switch next year it would piss a lot of people off but it would also sell a shit it would maybe an exclusive game but not the main well that's not saying it would cost Nintendo billions of dollars it would be so expensive but I'll just say a game with that impact that we just don't know is going to come maybe we find out that VRGood and Evil 2 is hitting switch and is coming to it first and is landing next year which is what some rumors have suggested I mean that would be huge or even say a couple month exclusive like it was for Mario Run with Apple yeah just something like that I'm not saying that I actually approve of I don't like timed exclusives I've always been vocally against it so it feels weird saying Nintendo should get a time to excuse them but at the same point this is why they matter for the companies because they want that time to excuse them to drive consumers which makes sense when you're building a base I think when nowadays when you're PlayStation 4 you don't have a timed exclusive on say the game right like everyone's getting Destiny 2 at the same time but you have exclusive content and timed exclusive DLC is like why yeah how is that a benefit to gamers again you already are the market leader are people going to I don't know anyone who's about man I gotta buy that PlayStation 4 because it has that exclusive DLC it's like no you just already own a PlayStation 4 and buy it on it's a practice I understand when you're in the Switch's position maintaining momentum and keeping it going PlayStation 4 has got no problem maintaining momentum it doesn't need this kind of yeah but Destiny I think was instrumental in the earlier days of the PS4 they did have that awesome white Destiny bundle and advertising was heavily focused more on Sony than any other platform Taco Bell had a giant campaign for it and everything they did have some hand in their success Sony ponied up that made sense back then as I said when you're trying to build a platform and maintain success in the early days I get it I don't like it I think it's completely anti-consumer but at least I understand from the business side but now when you're this far into the generation it's like okay you can stop now like I mean they're not going to this is Sony that won't allow cross play because they don't want people playing it's like the children yeah gotta protect the children in a game primarily targeted at children so protect the children from themselves I mean I guess I understand but it's also like you're basically saying Microsoft can't protect kids I don't they own Minecraft I mean it may be different if they were telling Nintendo hey we don't trust you to protect kids which sounds really weird and Nintendo's most protective of children but it's like a company that owns the game yeah they already technically control it anyways they just want to bring all the players together they already control the community on PlayStation 4 it's just a really poor excuse to say we don't want to sell a Microsoft game yeah it will everyone knows the logical reason for that is because Sony wants Sony gamers playing with Sony players they want it to be oh you want to play Minecraft with your buddies on PlayStation 4 and you own an Xbox one too bad you better go buy a PlayStation 4 I get it that's the real reasoning it's just a bullshit reason when you're the market leader and people are already favoring your system anyways and they're cross play with or with PC yeah and they do cross play with PC what? by the least secure platform yeah that's crazy cross play with PC but you can't cross play with Xbox which owns the PC market yeah so we already technically work with them but nope and you know if they're trying to say Nintendo can't protect children I don't oh Nintendo might have something to say about that who's account system got hacked and all the credit card information got out it wasn't Nintendo the counterpoint is Nintendo doesn't really have a true account system so that but they have a parental control app for their system what other system has that I don't know they might have parental control apps I've never looked is it an official first party though because Nintendo is advertising it in the early days of the switch oh parents use this app and you can shut off the system after a certain time there are apps for the Xbox one and PlayStation 4 I can't test them right now but if I get an Xbox one on PlayStation 4 in the future I might download them and just see how robust they really are they are first party apps so they have apps I don't know whether or not they like it's kind of like the Nintendo Switch online app it's just a general app for the whole system so it's a parental control it might have parental control well I know it might have parental controls within the app I can look at it now I actually think the Nintendo Switch parental control app should just be combined with the normal app I don't know why we need two apps and those systems might actually have that I don't know I know those systems do have parental controls like they do exist they're there when you set up the system it asks you about parental controls so it's like the systems have it and that's kind of the thing it's like okay so you don't trust Microsoft to protect children but they have parental controls just like you do and it's like oh but more kids swear on Xbox it's kind of the reputation but I play game multiplayer games on PlayStation 4 let me tell you I don't think I've heard so many cuss words come out of an 8 year old in my life I think kids swear online it has to do with the game it's about which game you're playing not the platform you know honestly as a live streamer I can say that usually it's the adults that are much better with clean language than any of the young kids it's insane I mean I'm not going to say I don't get passionate sometimes I'll also give a madden once and because bullshit fucking fumble when I was trying to run out the goddamn clock fuck but I'm like I'm mad at me I was mad at the guy and he knew that like oh that sucks man I'm like what do you mean it sucks it rocks for you I'd be excited as hell if I were you I'm like you didn't even hit stick me my guy just fumbled randomly just decided you know what I'm going to juke move and drop the ball thank you he didn't even touch me I think I did get hit but it wasn't even a big hit I don't know but yeah it's a very interesting thing speaking a little bit about third party stuff I believe 5j had a topic would you want to bring up your topic bro sure yeah so just this week sonic mania hit on ps4 xbox one pc and nintendo switch and already there's been amazing reviews for it and it seems to be universally lauded in fact sega themselves tweeted out that it's now the highest rated sonic game in the last 15 years and that's insane one reason that's insane is because it is not a first party developed game it was developed by three fan studios third party studios and then officially backed by sega and supported by sega but it was not a sega born game again fans sometimes know how to better make your games good again than the actual studio so first I looked up with the other top sonic games were just to see what were ranked better and on metacritic sonic mania ranks between 85 and 89% depending on the console switch having the best rating at 89% nice so that's great the other top three games that are around the same or better score were sonic adventure 2 at 89% as well sonic advance at 87% and sonic the hedgehog 2 at 87% amazing so I had two parts here do you guys play sonic games and what do you think of them and have you tried sonic mania what do you guys think and that's part one and then we'll get to part two later so first off I have not played sonic mania I want it bad I don't have the money and it's hard for me right now because when I do have some money next week I probably going to get the marion rabbits kingdom battle I want this I want this bad there was actually a temporary thing that if you switched your account to russian you could I could have bought it for 10 bucks off the russian e shop switch back to us and the russian version includes english translation so I could have got it for 10 dollars I decided against doing that even though it's not illegal that's the actually one of the beauties of region free is that digital wise you can basically get the cheapest version of a game as long as it has the correct language for you so that's great so I won't even have to feel guilty doing it I just didn't have 10 bucks so I could do it enough what about the rest of the sonic series for you so yeah I just wanted to mention that I really want to play sonic mania my hype levels are I haven't been in this type of sonic game in a long time oh really quick I could have spent 20 dollars on it but I decided to grab this monstrosity and said so now I can do this so that's important anyway sorry go ahead Nate that was worth it just for that yeah that's a this should hey enter that's the rest of the package just constant repeat that no it I obviously I have a love hate relationship with sonic I think any sonic fan has a love hate relationship because we've been dragged through the mud a lot it hasn't been like with Mario or if you get that Mario game you don't like like oh you don't like new super marbles you it's okay you had super mario galaxy super mario galaxy 2 and now you have super mario odyssey you're gonna keep getting that treatment from Nintendo like every five years it's going to happen you know it you know what's coming just like with Zelda oh you didn't like triforce heroes but you know the rest of the world was coming with sonic it's like oh you didn't like how was that was that one made with big red button just terrible sonic or six no no no it's the most recent sonic release sonic boom sonic boom oh yes so so like oh you didn't you didn't like sonic boom you didn't know anything good was coming because that's just what sonic has been and not consistently right because I it's also the love hate I love some of the sonic games the really sonic generation sonic colors like those games love them as much as the old school sonic games but at least it felt like sonic was going in the right direction and had the potential to get better and then they threw that all out the window you know sonic was six I hated it I know there's some people that like I hated it most of sonic adventure games didn't like them even though I know adventure 2 you know ended up being critically acclaimed I wasn't a big fan of it but then there's like games like sonic lost world love sonic lost world the only problem with sonic lost world was like two of the overall levels were very poorly designed and those two levels are sometimes one of those things where it's so frustrating and so it reminds you like you're like okay you're going along this game's good this feels like a it was almost like mario galaxy version of sonic it was just amazing and all of a sudden they throw this crap and you're like alright this is still this is still Sega wasn't that one partially Nintendo developed as well no no all the Nintendo exclusives yeah yeah it was Nintendo exclusive and Nintendo allowed them to use I think it was Amiibo to get some Zelda stuff in it that's right yep a Zelda level I think it was which was fine I like that level and for getting the exclusivity I didn't even care about the exclusivity it was just I really love that game outside of the fact that you had those two levels that just dragged the game to a halt and you didn't really feel that way back with the old school Sonic you would have tougher levels you would have frustrating levels but it still felt within the same flow of the game you've been playing the whole time where these are like just take you completely out of it and I could understand why some people were like yeah it was great until and I even put up Amiibo the other day on Nintendo Prime's Facebook page where there's that oh I'm thinking about replaying this one game until you remember that moment that you have to do all over again and that's what I'm like with that game I love it I want to replay it but then you remember oh but I have to play the level again and it makes me not want to do it and that's kind of the way I'm with Sonic where there's things I've liked about some of the games over the years but not there's always that one thing that it's almost like Sega for like oh we have all these good ideas are going and then all of a sudden someone on their team had a terrible idea and the guy running the games like yeah that sounds cool let's do it and it just ruins everything and that's what's so crazy about Sonic Mania I haven't played it so I can't speak from personal experience I've just watched a ton of videos I've watched so many reviews from easy allies and kind of funny talking about it to IGN I know people don't like some IGN but I've watched a ton of YouTubers talk about it I've watched a lot of live streams of it so I feel like I've played it even though I haven't and man it is what Sonic should have always been and now I realize you know yeah you can upgrade visuals over time it doesn't need to be the sprites I don't think the sprites are actually why the game is good I think that's just why it's nostalgic because it is new level design using old school elements and obviously it was made by fan studios that's what they did that's why they got hired it's great but it's crazy to me that with how well this game is doing I mean if this isn't a wake up call to Sega I don't know what is because fan made studios who were fans of Sonic created a better Sonic game than you have created in essentially 20 years yeah well before we keep going down that line let's see what the other folks have to say it sounds like Nate you've got a lot of experience with Sonic Eric what about you I've really only played one Sonic game which one I don't even know what it was on the Genesis no it was on my game gear game gear oh yeah I don't remember what it was called but that game was good yeah it was really good there was like five of them on there I don't remember which one it was but the port of Sonic 2 I have no clue Sonic 2 actually on game gear was not a port it was a completely original game oh really yeah I don't remember I'm 31 I don't remember yeah back then it's been so long pretty cool huh but uh yeah no that's really the only Sonic experience that I've had okay it's I'm kind of indifferent with Sonic I mean if I play it I play it if I don't it's not gonna kill me yeah I think it's one of those well I think it's one of those I own Sonic Mania and got you to try it you'd be like okay yeah probably okay this is what I remember when I played on game gear like this is alright that's 8-bit Sonic 2 that's not even 16-bit Sonic's that's the worst it can look well it depends on what your definition of worst is yeah right I mean that's there are some 8-bit games that are fantastic even for this day so yeah yeah no and those games did look pretty good for for game gear oh yeah game gear only the batteries last more than 20 minutes yeah no I yeah right that's why I plugged it in most of the time but I had this giant battery pack that was like 5 pounds that you screwed onto the back well I had that for Game Boy too and Game Boy lasted longer but still it was like oh you get like 4 or 5 hours on Game Boy and it's like okay so I got the big battery pack I got the magnifying glass I got the lights I got the speakers the big setup I had that or at least my dad did I was taking it from him so like yeah well there's no back to the screen it is really tiny I can't always see what blocks I'm hitting with Mario right no but 90% of the time when I was playing my game gear I was playing MLB 97 so oh nice oh my game what a game most of the time I really didn't even I had Sonic but I didn't really play it either so I think I played Sonic on your game gear more than you did yeah probably because I love Sonic but I wasn't are you intrigued by Sonic Mania at all Eric? I haven't really seen much of it so I can't really say I have seen I think one video of it and it did look like old school so I would definitely be willing to try it I think it's something you try and then you'd see if it's like okay yeah but like I said I'm kind of indifferent where if I don't have it it's not gonna kill me it's not like like Zelda was where I had to go out and get it because it looked like absolutely amazing amazing one yeah yeah and that's crazy for him because he's never really been a Zelda guy oh great he hasn't been a Nintendo guy since in 64 yeah and even then well we both had N64's yeah um you've been more Xbox that's it and that's it well you always had like an internal handheld of some type yeah um but yeah you've that's what was so crazy to me is like okay you've never even when your handhelds you never were a Zelda guy the only time you played Zelda was when I needed help yeah with Zelda and Farware so it's like okay so you're and wait wait you're buying a system day one for Zelda wait wait hold on yeah hold on not only that you're buying like a collector's edition yeah wait wait hold on hold on yeah I didn't even do that you're not even like like this huge mega fan of Zelda it's just like this is my first real big Zelda experience you chose a good one but it's like man not all the games are like this I realized that I've watched you play I've probably played parts of every single Zelda game because you're watching me just from you yeah but all those 18 years of my life right um so this could change your mind it changed your mind on Zelda it could change your mind on Sonic Man I think it's one of those I think it would have helped because you were the unique thing that survived by the way I think if you hadn't played it at an E3 you might not have ever been sold on it you might say oh that looks cool but it looks like every other open world game maybe I mean think about how much fun you'd have with that one oh yeah no no definitely yeah I don't think you were sold on Switch or well you didn't even know what Switch was then sold even on Breath of the Wild until you played it like oh it's a cool booth but then you played the game and you're just having fun at the top just pot-shotting guys in the arrow oh god that was that was just having a blast of it so I think while this game might not have initially like it's not like blowing you but oh my god this is like a potentially a new generation of games I think it's one of those that and I'm not saying this from experience but I think you could play it and be like okay I need this game and I think that could be 20 bucks compared to a 60 dollar game that does help or if you still want to try out the Russian eShop 10 dollars and I actually could possibly read a couple of the words before we bring up the old high school Russian the funny thing is my fiancé should be able to read all of them she used to be native to Russia first nine years of her life she spoke it she wrote it it's all she knew didn't even know English when she got adopted now she can like say her name yeah that's about it she knows no Russian anymore nine years of her life just didn't even happen game over Jesse yes my experience with Sonic was obviously when the games first came out and they were fun I always grew up as the Nintendo kid I always had the NES Super Nintendo Nintendo 64 I never really had a Sega I remember my uncle having one of the early Sega consoles and like sneaking to play it he didn't want the little kids I remember that reputation back then Super Nintendo's for the kids Genesis for the adults the old console already is that's basically how it was so I grew up playing Nintendo but I did play Sonic and it was fun for the most part and then I didn't really fall in love with the franchise until Sonic Adventure on the Dreamcast but the my experience with Sonic Adventure was I had a disc that was heavily scratched and I did not have a memory cart so if I played it I would have to play it all in one sitting but then every time I would get close to the last level it would freeze because of the scratched disc so I would play the game over and over and over to where I could just beat the game in just a few hours but I would always get somewhere in the last level and it would freeze past that Sonic of did you have a question did you have a blockbuster near you back then I did not I used to pick scratch games for like 5 bucks yeah so some of the recent Sonic games are okay the Nintendo exclusive Sonic games Doom series was kind of odd because they were looked at as like a new evolution for Sonic they gave him a new look they gave all the characters different looks they had Naughty Dog Studio members they had the cartoon but I think what really messed with those games were whenever they started making the game it was being developed with Crytek's engine which at the time wasn't even capable of running on the Wii U so they actually had to they got a bunch of people who developed the Cry engine whatever number it was to work with them to get Sonic running on the game and then the Sonic games were also multiplayer so then the engine wasn't multiplayer capable so they had to create this custom version of the engine because there's no other engine available in the world almost like they made the wrong choice so they spent most of the time that they were trying to spend to create actual fun in the game most of the work went to just getting the engine to run with multiplayer which was bad enough and then getting the engine to not just run with multiplayer which it wasn't designed for but to run on a console that it wasn't meant to run on that I did not know that very well so that's why the Wii U games were so bad with it and then there was the statement by the president or vice president whoever was that was like we know in the past the Sonic games weren't as great but going forward we hope to create like put actual effort or whatever statement was into the game were we committing ourselves to quality yeah and then like the funny part was this would be a good statement if Sega got a new president in charge or someone new and they were like hey the leadership before we know they weren't doing Sega and Sonic justice but we have new management so we're going to move forward and try to make the best Sonic game this is just the same person being like okay the last 10 years were crap sorry we'll try to do better next time I didn't care but maybe I do now it's a possibility like there was that statement and everybody was like well you know of course they're going to say this because they want to put hype out for their next game but it turns out they're doing all the right things Sonic Mania everyone's saying it's the best Sonic game which is good because Sega who has clearly not made the right decisions with the Sonic franchise isn't making it it's the fans who grew up playing Sonic games they know what's fun about Sonic they know what fans are wanting for Sonic because they are the fans for Sonic so they're making the games that they want to make not necessarily the game they think will just make the most money so I think that's why Sonic Mania has turned out so well and then with Sonic Forces we'll just have to wait and see if Sonic Mania was really good and it was actually made by the same team that's making Sonic Forces then yeah I would have a lot of hope for Sonic Forces it's still a 3D game and not a 2D game but there's still hope that hey they actually understand fun game design but it's completely different teams so it's like well that wasn't even the people that made this so we're still kind of worried about the next game but with going back to the original question, Sonic Mania like it seems perfect for the Switch you could play it on the TV like you can with the PlayStation 4 other consoles but to me it seems like more of a handheld type game like it's not this big open adventure game it looks like it's made to be played like on the go like if you have 5 minutes it's good beat this level 10 minutes try a couple of levels sure but I think that also is just how the original Sonic games were but now with save points instead of having to start over every time yep or if you hit that halfway point wait no but that's the system is still turned on but you turn your Genesis off and you get to start over very true it's really interesting to me because we know there's other Sonic games in development right now including what they call the next true mainline Sonic game but I mean do you see what just happened with Sonic Mania the bar is now high as hell and we know you can't reach that bar I mean I'm not going to say it's impossible because people always look at the Sonic games and they're just like man, Sega sucks they are not a good developer anymore and it's just because you just look at them and the microcosm is Sonic they don't understand Sonic they created this thing that they don't understand it'd be like if they radically changed Mario and we know Mario is going through radical changes but made it a way where they forgot what the essence of Mario is and just destroyed the franchise over the years Mario Paint Mario keyboard game Hotel Mario but as I said for every example of what might be a bad Mario game the mainline Mario games are not so even the games even the new Super Mario Bros series yeah I got redundant but the games were never bad right if you only played one of them it wouldn't matter which one you played you probably would have liked it it's just like Mega Man 9 yeah it's just like classic Mega Man that's why it's good yeah that's not the only time and the crazy thing is Sonic was basically only considered good with the adventure series and with the classic games right that's really the only time where it's been universally considered these games are really good yes I know some people like me like colors generations like Lost World but that was never universal praise it wasn't universal praise in advance obviously so you look at that what we're doing now it's like okay Sonic Mania is universally praised they haven't been able to do that in a long time and it was done without Sega doing anything they still have yet to do it I trust Sega with certain things like they own creative assembly they make the Total War series fantastic the partnership that they did with the Warhammer series fantastic Total War Warhammer was great now they're having Warhammer 2 come out because the first one was so great that's fine that's fantastic Sega still has good IPs and good games that they make everyone acts like they're Nintendo is going to go into business Sega never went out of business they just do software only and just because Sonic hasn't been good doesn't mean they haven't made other good games but my worry is this has put Sonic almost back on the pedestal it's like Sonic is this iconic character but no one can seem to see why it's iconic because it's kind of like Kid Icarus back in the day they keep making Kid Icarus games but they kept making Sonic games and they sucked so like it felt like oh Sonic and Mario well Mario is clearly better because he's been more relevant but like Sonic it feels like me Sonic's been dead for 15 years like you could just embrace the last 15 years you know what I'm saying like I enjoyed some Sonic games last 15 years but it was never as good as it used to be it was a rarity and now it's like they captured I think everyone who loves Sonic including even new fans who maybe didn't have never played a Sonic game maybe they're even captured because it's a $20 price tag you might recognize the name Sonic because it's been around for a while plus you know Nintendo did help revive Sonic a little bit with those Olympic games especially with the younger generation that could play those that's great so they revived interest in Sonic now we finally have a Sonic game that kind of lives up to the reputation and now it's like okay but we know that there's like two other Sonic games in development one that's for sure is mainline and we it's made by Sega so I'm so scared that like two years from now all those good wills are gonna be thrown in the garbage because they're gonna run Sonic through the fucking gutter again and the thing is everything we've seen on the new Sonic game none of it looks bad it looks interesting but like they've done this before the Zelda cycle is like about people loving and hating the game but no matter what it's all the games are generally they're good games no one really disagrees that they're good games so when you look at Sonic it's like the Sonic cycle is they release teasers everything looks good, people get hyped the game release, it sucks, it tanks everyone says Sonic is done and then they release teasers for the next Sonic game looks good, looks hype the next Sonic game it looks decent I don't see anything I don't like so far but the reputation tells me it's not gonna be good it might have a fantastic first level and then just shit the bet because that's what they do a lot of people the developer the developing key team for the main Sonic games is just called Sonic team I believe they actually worked on other games outside of Sonic even though they're called the Sonic team that's why they should just be like Nintendo EAD group one yeah so as amazing as Sonic Mania is in the hype for Sonic Forces I think they need to put all of their effort into making a sequel to Billy Hatcher and the Giant Egg there you go there we go oh man I have not heard that in so long holy crud that takes me back that takes me back to the Earthworm gym days Earthworm gym Earthworm gym oh boy it even back to the old what was the name of that game where you played as the little plastic armyman armyman armyman 1 armyman god that game those old games where is my toy story oh I guess it's coming in Kinder Hearth 3 anyways well I think that's going to do it for this week's podcast I had that fun stinger topic we want to try it real quick nothing's real quick with us we'll give it to you we'll see if we can come up with one idea so we have this fan studio revived a series that's been trying to be good and it sucked what other game series out there are trying to be good and they're just not getting there that we would like some fans to revive properly what do you guys think right now? Sonic 3D Sonic I'm guessing right 3D Sonic man that's tough Star Fox yes sure I'd say that but Star Fox 2 is coming I bet you it's going to be awesome but never released so is that new release I don't care when the game was developed I don't care when the game was developed it matters when did I get to play it Megan Mann is a really good franchise the creator I believe he was the creator of the franchise one of the creators tried making his own spiritual successor and it turns out he was not the talent so I think since Capcom for some reason doesn't want to put out a Megan Mann game they need to have some bands create their own idea spiritual successor I'm on board a thousand percent this is hard because every time I think of franchises that I feel like I want a fan revival of it and obviously we're talking about the standard games officially back too but it's like every time I think like oh I want F-Zero but then when Neo Geo exists they're like the F-Zero oh my god I can't even say it fast racing fast racing RMX fast racing Neo I think was what it was on Wii U so it's like the game kind of already exists it's just not called F-Zero so it's like okay and then I'm like oh well Metroid oh wait they have Metroid 2 Remake and they also have the Prime 4 coming so like Nintendo is already doing that well and besides Metroid I think it's had better treatment than I feel like the sales have dictated that it should get over the years because there are a lot of series that Nintendo has completely canned and that's sold way better than Metroid no idea why they did it they just did it like like Little Dove Fat they own the rights to the 1080s snowboarding that game sold phenomenally well and they never made another one well no that's true they did make a really shitty one on GameCube well that's the problem it was like outsourced to like some weird company Tony Hawk Tony Hawk they tried coming back but people just don't care they tried being a good hardware back too and that didn't go well um God I'm trying to think of just one franchise that I feel like fans could like Sonic's is a unique situation where I feel like fans could do it better than the original or as good as the original they can do better than the teams could do today but when I'm trying to find a game it's like I could obviously think of a zillion franchises that haven't been around for a while I'd like to see fans make but that's not because I don't think the original studio could do it I think if there was any franchise um I'm gonna I had maybe it's a couple because no one's brought it up but they're also really popular franchises that I'm not sure the original studio could do well anymore we're talking Banjo Kazooie and the Conkers franchise it's not that I don't know I'm not going to say that Rare doesn't have the talent because see his thieves looks pretty good they finally were able to create an original IP away from Connect and the fun thing is the funny thing is the people laugh it's like this is why I don't know how much talent left because Rare made the best connect games well that was when Microsoft's like you need to make connect games like okay well they actually made good connect games just no one cares about connect exactly well it's like is the talent gone or were they restricted you know yeah the whole situation with Rare not continuing those series on Xbox was that when Microsoft purchased them and then they were working on the Xbox 360 with the upcoming connect you would typically want to put whoever would be the most creative or the best studio you had working on new motion control games because if they're the most creative then they might make the best games for the product they had games release on Xbox 360 that were not connect games Viva Pugnata was fantastic like that was one of the first games they ever released that was great but then you had that one Band or Kazooie game that just doesn't bolt and that's when you were like and you're just like okay so that had still most of the original team and that was not good that's like they forgot what made banjo even banjo and to me well not as good as the original was still okay it was okay it was still like okay you just need some fresher ideas so I've got another idea for this then too Castlevania fell out of graces when they tried to go with the Lords of Shadow business yeah and I don't know if they ever intend to bring it back so let's get some fans involved make a new good Castlevania well Castlevania is still around there's not that style really where is the last time they put out a Castlevania I don't know if one of you Netflix anime well yeah they have the Netflix anime but anime came out no game comes with it where's the sense there has been some Castlevania games released in the last 10 years they've done really well I don't remember but probably not for the last 6 years you know what I mean Blood Knight or something like that like the spiritual successor Bloodstained yeah Bloodstained that's the original was the most recent release and then did you type in most recently released you were talking earlier about Metroid and it reminded me of the recent fan remake where the guy was hired on by the development behind Ori and the Blind Forest because he was working on the fan remake to the second Metroid game and Tindall said hey you can't do that and then another development team that makes Castle or not Castlevania Metroidvania style games was like hey that's pretty good that's basically the same type of game that we make why don't you come and work for us the last games they made Castlevania Lords of Shadow, Mirror of Fate that was on 30s 360 and PlayStation 3 and then they had Shadow 2 did not come out of 30s there was just 360 PlayStation 3 PC so there has not been one this generation now there is some games that are related but they're not the Castlevania brand so this generation there hasn't been but as recently as last generation they had good Castlevania games well Lords of Shadow 1 was considered a good game Lords of Shadow, Mirror of Fate was not considered good nor was it Shadow 2 I like the one on 3DS I don't know why it was mixed it wasn't again it wasn't universally loved Castlevania had been the problem here you guys you're talking about Konami yes that's why we need a fan as Jim Sterling says fuck Konami their two best lead developers was the Igarashi guy and Kojima and neither of them are working nor were Konami and that was basically Igarashi Igarashi was the guy behind the castle they made some of the most entertaining casino machines at the casino and then Kojima who had worked on some of the Castlevania games as well like both of them or the two people that you would be like oh that's Konami's version of Alinoma Miyamoto it would be like if Nintendo just fired Miyamoto Alinoma and then it was like okay what do we do for Zelda oh they'd be fine see here's the thing though Nintendo's actually better set up than Konami is like Konami for starters their priorities are where the money's at for them the money for them is Pachinko machine and casino machines like I don't know if you guys ever go to casino but if you do you'll notice there's a heavy bevy of Konami branded casino slot machines because that's where they make their money they don't really make their money's in video games traditional video game space anymore and they even said that after Metal Gear Solid 5 came out they were like we're kinda not gonna really make games anymore now obviously they still have they've been kicking on the retro kick they're gonna do they think it's problem they're gonna do what they think they can make money off of but they've kinda transitioned almost out of the video game space in the traditional sense so sad it sucks it does suck it's like a part of a child that's just taken away they were a juggernaut of the NES and SNES era Nintendo one Nintendo is obviously way stronger than Konami has probably ever been but if you ripped away Shigeru Miyamoto he doesn't really head up games anymore the last game he headed up was Star Fox Zero which people didn't like or it was mixed let's say mixed there are some people that it had to make if they could just give it to the motion controls it would have been fine I think Star Fox is another great example of being like okay we want to make this game that makes use of everything the Wii U has to offer who can we put in charge of that Miyamoto obviously Miyamoto was one of the most great people because you made these demos that the only one that was good was a minigame but like you could take away Miyamoto and I'm not saying he doesn't have any positive impact on Nintendo but I almost see him more as a figurehead, a PR guy and an advice he gives advice I create a fellow he's an advisor right he doesn't actually come up with the ideas and really create the games anymore EGNOMO is still heavily involved obviously he is the producer of the whole Zelda series but there are plenty of other names at Nintendo that actually made the games all the directors Fubi Ashi and stuff like if sadly Anoma Dies Zelda's gonna be fine they already have directors and that have 10 plus years experience making Zelda games so like Nintendo's at the position where they can lose their top guys in every franchise and be fine because they have so much experience and they have this is really a credit to them over the past two generations as much as maybe you didn't like the Wii, maybe you didn't like the Wii U internally they did a very good job handing over franchises to younger developers and getting them involved where it's no longer Miyamoto does everything EGNOMO does everything cause that's what it was for a little while it was the game they wanted to make rather than the game their team wanted to make and that's kind of where Breath of the Wild became a game the team wanted to make where that's not saying that EGNOMO obviously had a huge influence, of course he did he's also the reason Zelda got delayed because of his influence I remember around the time Skyward Sword released Nintendo made this statement that they were grooming younger talent to take over control of the upcoming properties and stuff and that I'm guessing that's also when they first began concept development for games like Splatoon possibly, well I think that might have been around the time they made that whole team of people that their goal was just to make new ideas I also kind of wonder if maybe Miyamoto and who was it that had left recently retired I wonder if they didn't say guys I've got 10 years you know what I mean like they just want me around but I need to retire so I'll give you a 10 year window do what you gotta do to prepare for my departure Miyamoto seems like a guy that I don't think is ever going to technically retire I think this creative fellow thing was literally a position created for him where he could just do it until he dies where he's just involved as much as he wants to be and I think sometimes as we saw with Star Fox Zero sometimes involved as much as you want to be sometimes the tone is going to be like but look you don't understand the new generation of gamers so like when it comes to a game where you put significant money in maybe you should just be like an outside advisor and that's how Japan business works they don't like to lay off their older employees they are stupidly well not stupidly because I feel like if you work for a company 30-40 years and are a huge reason that company is what it is I believe in loyalty even if you've reached that age where you probably should retire it's still one of those things where you need to be loyal because without that person those other people don't have jobs like he didn't own Nintendo but he is a huge reason why it's there and it's like it's almost like a legacy you know just like there's owners of companies you can even look at some of the NFL owners out there they're billions doing other things but in many ways they've stepped back off of doing those things and other people run the companies and they just sit there and collect the money because they were successful in the past but now they're at an age where they essentially retired by putting people smarter than them in control and that's kind of I think what Miyamoto started to realize and realize that was switch where he was the first one to say don't give me any credit for switch this was not my idea nothing to do with development of the system I wanted to make it weird and he said this is the first time oh god this is the first time in his career that he was not involved in the decision making process on switch and that's to me just showing there is a change in the garden at Nintendo they recognize that Miyamoto is not going to be here forever Ejinomo isn't going to be here forever even Kimashima is not going to be here forever obviously the late Satoru Owana was not here forever and you thought he was going to be here for another 30 years because he was young so Bill Trinnan he's not going to be here forever he's probably still going to be here for 40 years but you don't know these people aren't going to be there forever and it's important for them to instill the culture and I feel like what happened is because of how it works in Japan where they are fiercely loyal to their staff that have been there the longest and have been the most successful in the past that Nintendo for a while was kind of coasting right back in the day in the 80s 90s Nintendo was extremely inventive and creative with their IPs new IPs coming all the time new ideas coming all the time continuations of all those ideas coming so they didn't just dump Mario the side or Zelda to the side or Metroid to the side or Kid Icarus to the side at the time they kept these franchises going while coming up with new ideas and then at some point I feel like around the N64 era they just kind of stopped they rested on their laurels yes they still had Pokemon come out that was fantastic but that wasn't in-house developed they owned the rights to it but they didn't make it they didn't come up with the idea they were heavily involved but again game free Pokemon company etc so Nintendo was almost like we have this thing game is successful it's really expensive gaming is getting more expensive we're in the 3D space now and we're not going to keep releasing new IPs and I know that doesn't mean they didn't try there might have been some new IPs I'm not thinking of but I felt like there really wasn't anything fresher innovative until Pikmin came along and Animal Crossing and it's like okay but that was one game when it used to be like 7 10, 15 new IPs per generation they all didn't stick but they were trying always trying to do that next thing and now here with the people who made Nintendo successful for so long reaching an age where they probably should retire or I'm not saying agent he's younger than me but I'm just saying they reached an age where they shouldn't be relied upon for everything Nintendo starting to realize look we need to start valuing our younger developers last generation I almost even argued the last Metroid game on 3DS was more of a new IP than a Metroid game pretty much it was a good game they would have eliminated the Metroid thing and just let it be that was an example of old Nintendo forcing this highly unique IP that sounds great into a franchise this is what Splatoon could have ended up being if they forced Mario into it right now you look at it they have this younger developer so if you consider that one was a remnant of old Nintendo but then they had Splatoon and we can't forget about it just because it flop sales wise codamed Steam I love that game I loved it so much I knew there was I could tell there's enough minor annoyances and combined with the fact the Archstyle is going to be a love or hate that it was going to be one of those games that it just wasn't going to sell well and the story was weird like a very niche kind of game but Nintendo used to make these kind of games all the time it was okay it was the B tier games and that's fine the B tier kind of vanished for a while and now on Nintendo it's like look the first year of Switch they have arms who knows what other crazy IPs are coming Retro could have been working on a new IP for all this time for all we know and Nintendo could have released to announce over the next two years especially if they're all focused development on one platform because they're going to have their Mario's and their Zelda's and their Pokemon and their Metroids but then they're also going to have whatever the next arms is whatever the next Splatoon is whatever the next crazy thing in a genre that they don't do a lot in is and it's cool thinking that Nintendo's back to that because that's when Nintendo was at their best they continued the IPs they had and continued to evolve those IPs like it looks like they're still finding new ways fresh they definitely found a new way to reinvigorate Zelda at the same time it's not holding back ideas like Splatoon it's not holding back ideas like arms it's not we're doing these instead of making new IPs we're innovating these franchises while introducing new IPs and that to me that's the Nintendo I grew up on if anything about Switch makes me more excited it's not the convenience of the platform I got my Switch here great portable home console blah blah blah blah I love everything about it hardware wise but what makes me excited is that this feel like the Nintendo from my childhood where they're hitting their main franchises with new fresh stuff while hitting all these new IP ideas and that is plus obviously the fact of finding a pokemon an HD on a whole console like I've always wanted but it's still it's just one of those Nintendo this is what Nintendo's bread and butter was when they owned the industry they I guess owned is relative Sega Genesis was pretty popular we're not going to discredit the Sega Genesis versus the SNES back in the day I believe the SNES still had the edge in sales and if you want to if you really want to compare you bring the Game Boy into the mix forget about it I mean yeah Game Gear was there but 11.5 million converted 80 which is not even a conversation yeah I mean you want to talk about crushing that is a bigger crushing the PSP took to the DS relatively you know DS only sold twice as much I think it sold 800% more than the Game Gear but again you know it didn't you didn't feel like you were inferior experience when you were playing around in Genesis in comparison to the SNES so you look at Nintendo now and I'm like man this is Nintendo at their absolute best and I think that's mostly why I want them on one platform because I've never seen Nintendo at their absolute best with everything going to one platform it makes me really wonder with everything going to one platform they're going to have such a high number of games coming out they're going to feel more bold about trying new ideas getting another codename steam like game out there or another Splatoon or Arms or whatever crazy idea they had doing more crossover games just because why the hell not we we don't need them to fill the slate we have enough games but why the hell not yeah and Nintendo I don't think has felt that the old days when games were a lot cheaper to make the risk was small it was a team of four or five people took a year through some pixels together had an idea and if it didn't work oh well you were out a mill maybe two or now you might be on a hundred million if you invested on a new IP I don't know to be fair Nintendo has always been really good with the budget so new IP budgets like Splatoon was probably under 40 million for the total budget for the game in fact I believe a report came out at one time they spent more on marketing than it actually cost to make the game impressive well that just spoke to they didn't spend a lot on it because I don't know what it is in Nintendo they are crazy good at managing their budgets because people are not underpaid they just don't balloon their team to 7000 people and they keep people they don't just like a lot of teams like oh we got okay we're six months from launch we got to add you know 200 developers to our team to make sure we hit that launch date where Nintendo is like well if we have to delay we're keeping our employees that's the big thing like they don't budget per game they just say hey you know there are certain things you have to budget for music budget whether you're going to orchestrate the music there are some things you have to budget for but when it comes to the actual development of the game it's like no we have our team the people who are going to make the next breath of the wild kind of game the next sale the game or the next minute they already work at Nintendo it's actually crazy when you think about how Japan does it's not just Nintendo just Japan in general doesn't compare to like the U.S. where like we're all about we hire all these people on contract for six months and then let them all go and then maybe give them a job again a year from now when we need them back again and Nintendo is like if you just keep the employees you make the games faster anyways and it's not well you're no longer budgeting for the game they're just part of your company so you know this is how much it costs to pay all your employees every single year so how many games can you get out of those employees in that year it's like it's like a very like very stable concept it's why Nintendo for the 31 years they've been in the video game business for 29 of them they've been profitable but that's why they're like oh Nintendo is going to go out of business you know why I think they have enough money to survive for 50 years they can lose $300 million net per year and still be around in Nako Bank for 50 years because of the model they built and because of the model they built there's no way how they're going to be $300 million down every year I mean they've been experimenting with scaling a little bit like they've been using Monolith and Bandai Namco and that kind of stuff yeah but they're bringing in teams either third parties that are also as stable as they are like Bandai Namco or like Monolith who Nintendo owns those are Nintendo employees they're just shifting employees around to the games that need it they're not paying those employees more they already are under salary they're just saying look you're done with your game come help us do this game and then we'll put you back on your game when we don't need you anymore that's what a company should do shift your assets around you need more developers to finish off Breath of the Wild you don't hire more you're used internally look you're working on something you can pause for a couple months come help us out and when you're done with your project we'll give extra people from our Zelda team to you that can help keep it on track it's a really give and take type atmosphere and some of this is because Nintendo obviously doesn't focus on we need to get a Mario game out every year there are Mario games that come out every year but like a mainline Mario game we don't have to have it yearly so some of this is based on Call of Duty and other games that come out every year where they have a rotating development team and rotating cycle which is why some Call of Duty games are really really good some Call of Duty games are not because it depends on which studio it's been the last three years making it whereas Nintendo is like we have like the same studio making all of our mainline games like the Zelda team that made Breath of the Wild and Zelda team that's going to make the next one that's going to make the next one yeah the team that made Tri-Force Heroes wasn't the same but it's also a very different game than the game well it's mainline part of the timeline really how it is it's officially a sequel to A Link Between Worlds yep it's a sequel to A Link Between Worlds the main link in the game is the same link only the one you play as are just dolls yeah I don't buy the timeline anyway but whatever I always thought the timeline was punk too and then Nintendo decided to make it official by releasing Hyrule's story and I'm like okay yeah they can say it's official but it doesn't mean it makes any sense well most timelines don't make sense unless it's like quite literal Halo 1, Halo 2, Halo 3, Halo 4 exactly but then you gotta start calling it Halo Wars and all these other things in there it can get complicated with other franchises too like the Mario timeline so I've seen some attempts at it it's not pretty yeah it might as well just be the ones that try to make video games seem like they are all one cohesive like all of video game kingdom lives in one universe and why because in X game there was a grave that said it's dangerous to go alone and it's like that's a reference to Zelda was obviously connected to that game and this game is connected to that game and in this game there was a Mario picture in the background even though the Nintendo didn't even okay it they just slipped it in as one of the developers really liked Mario so the Mario games are connected to Resident Evil or something crazy like that's how crazy it is someone I see individual theories for how games go together it's like this is just as crazy as trying to connect every video game no demand because there's probably a way to do it if you want to get crazy about it I think it's highly entertaining everyone has to know this not realistic right developers don't think in their head man how can we connect Skyrim to Mario and Zelda oh wait they did it they included the Zelda costumes so officially Skyrim is part of the Zelda world now and Zelda is part of the Elder Scrolls like no they're not thinking about that but fans do we make a lot of fun I wish they would have just left it to the fans because they kept saying it exists it was enough it exists we know where some of them go cool let it go thanks Harold quotes from Miyamoto where he was like we have an official document in our desk no I think they have a document right but I always felt the document was just one of those loose things they have in a computer that kind of just explains the gist of what makes a Zelda game what some of the key elements are and loosely how every game is related in some fashion but not necessarily in a timeline sense like in a gameplay mechanic in a world building sense kind of like a formula because even Triforce Heroes even as a side dish there's a lot of things in that we're very Zelda like and that comes from an understanding of what makes a Zelda game granted people would argue multiplayer doesn't do that but I like Triforce Heroes I like Four Swords the little side dish to only to the past re-release it was great I like those games they are as much a Zelda game to me as any other they're just different they're a different approach whether or not they ever attempt a 3D multiplayer Zelda game I don't know I don't know how well it would be received but I mean if they can have an indie smash clone out there that looks really really damn good why not a Zelda smash clone that's just Zelda characters like who would not want to see a showdown between Tingle and Zan come on it has to happen it has to even crazy Zan take off the helmet let him spin around and go nuts let Tingle cool all in but him and steal all his money force gems if they could make like two or three standalone Tingle games I think this is possible oh my gosh alright well we're going to wrap up the podcast right there as always oh wait Arizona is trying to say something this is what happens every time I try to wrap up hold on you want to go to the casino tomorrow well as soon as you can see the Konami games I'm going to bring a NES controller I'm going to try to find a place to plug that damn thing in type in the Konami code and see if they win the jackpot automatically don't worry I tried I didn't try with a NES controller but I tried to figure out a button combination to do it there's no secret Konami wants money and they don't want people to win ah come on Konami anyways the funny thing is one time I watched everything you see up to 300 it was all from Konami machine but I probably lost over 300 to a Konami machine too net negative loss I'm sure anyways that's going to do it for this week's podcast as always if you would like this podcast to become a weekly thing you should head over to patreon.com slash Nintendo Prime for just $1 a month you get access to almost every single update on Patreon the only ones you don't get access to are things that are exclusive to the $5 and up tiers which include early access to the podcast every single time we post a podcast a day early we have the full audio available for anyone who's a $5 backer or above 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all small time streamers they're side dishes they're not always the main way we make money but we make some or we don't make any and it's always a struggle because we're passionate about it and we want to do this as much as we possibly can because the reality of the world is without money we die or we don't want to say die we can go eat garbage or something so there's plenty of homeless people that live for a long time but that's not a lifestyle I want for me not for my kids or my fiance I've done the college thing a few times I'm technically still in college don't know if that's really what I want to do because this is what I'm passionate about I like making videos on youtube despite the fact that you always have some haters I'm like that's cool that's cool tell me something I don't know yeah I'm like that's cool don't watch me I'm like it's okay that's the crazy thing about youtube whenever I see people complain about a channel there's so many channels you can just not understand if you check out one video and you don't like it but it's like pretty to continue to keep coming back to bash I guess don't complain you're being entertained by me in a different way yeah entertained by my stupidity coverage of bend gate happening again there's a guy named Joshua that was just like it's a lie switches are not bending people are just abusing their switches yeah because people are just when they open the box and the switches bend they physically bend themselves it's like I'm like yeah I'm sure people are just lying really shit care of their switches that have no marks and no scratches on them but they're bent yep it's all photoshopped it's all photoshopped no one's actually sent their switch in and got it repaired by the Nintendo or anything it's all fake and that's the thing it's weird here to say it because a lot of times he tries to have some semi-logical disagreement with me saying you're actually wrong at this you're actually wrong at that but like I'm not actually wrong like this happens I've seen someone who had a bent switch ahead of the box like I don't know how much more evidence I need than that I've seen it it's not just twitter posts I've seen it so it's like come on man come on but that's the thing obviously he's entertained by the channel because he keeps coming back there you go that's fine you add to my viewers which creates more viewers which gives me more money so thank you haters haters gonna hate nothing's worse than in the live stream though it does get annoying when someone pops out and says oh dude you're such a fat ass you're gone it's not because it bothers me because it's bothering other people that's what I always hate about those comments I am not offended when people call me fat or make fun of me for my face or my voice or my eye I am who I am I called myself fat in my newest video get out of here fat get out of here but it's like okay I get it but it doesn't bother me but it does bother other people sometimes and I know maybe people should be as sensitive but it's still like it bothers them because people make that the focus point of the conversation during the live stream it's like you're fat you're ugly you're the sad but it's like that's not the point of the live stream I'm not here to be a big beautiful buff guy I'm not trying to get subscribers like Jake Paul and Olga Baltic in my shirt all six backs running around screaming doing crazy shit jumping off cars and lighting shit on fire that's not who I am so like that's okay there's channels out there if you want that we're all being friendly we're having one conversation and one guy just jumps into the voice channels like you're all stupid you're dumb you don't know what you're talking about you're like why are you go away you're destroying everything it's like if you want if you like beautiful people doing things stupid or otherwise or intelligent there's youtubers out there for you it's like he jumps in and you're an ass so what's the point it's funny like even like Jesse knows like Holly Wolf man jumping on her stream sometimes and you know always because of what she used to do see people pop in and say inappropriate things about her and she just kind of shrugs it off she's seen it a zillion times at this point in her life I watched the map had video on the on game theory about the theory about why Jake Paul and uh and Logan Paul blew up on YouTube and part of it's because they were already really popular on Vine so they brought over a bunch of people or a lot of this because the controversy they creates between each other and it creates this big everyone wants to see who's going to dis who and who's going to get mad at who and really they're probably behind the scenes not mad at each other at all they know exactly what they're doing it's totally it's completely calculated and the drama it doesn't exist but it drives viewership and it drives it drives 70,000 new people that like their channel how many times a day do we call each other names in stupid crap yeah but not for attention yeah I know we could do it I'm saying yeah oh future podcast episode fight's breaking out tune in podcast episode 32 anyways folks I'm Nintendo Robert Jets from Nintendo Prime that's game over Jesse over there from game over Jesse obviously got 5j over there from 5j gaming Eric Moore from Nintendo Prime as well it's been fun folks we'll have our twitter handles and appropriate links for any any of the stuff we talked about you know like you want to get Sonic Media have a link for you to buy that down in the description and obviously full disclosure any links I usually put the buy products in the description are affiliate links it's another way to help support the channel you do not need to use the affiliate links to buy the games you can go to your favorite retail and look it up and buy whatever you want okay just a full disclosure I like being honest about it I know there's some channels that just throw the affiliate links up and don't say anything it's technically illegal but think it away with it because it's the internet I mean come on how many of you guys right now are emulating games let's be honest I'm gonna stop there I'm sure you didn't attain all those games legally yeah anyways folks no emulators for me maybe that's a future topic I'm gonna find some people that actually emulate well the thing is do they want to profess to it and risk the public attention yeah record well I'll talk about it I used to do it so I guess I could talk about it in the past tense because I don't get in trouble before what I did before anyways folks we'll catch you in the next one you guys can say bye too by the way bye everybody I love you guys