 It's 2021. Welcome to the new 21 Report. I'm here with John Anthony of John Anthony Lifestyle. John Anthony, how you doing? Good man, how you doing? Good. Tell us about your experience at 21, that's your first time here? Yep. So I've been kind of keeping my eye on the pulse as this is the longest running manusphere event. I've actually wanted to speak here for a long time. I just didn't have a lot of the networking connections that I've made in the past year in order to get here. But I guess Anthony Johnson's been kind of watching my stuff for about four or five years. There's a local Orlando guy named Xavier that I gave kind of a layer talk to the Orlando guys and he's a big fan of my stuff and finally I was asked to speak. So glad to be here. Tell us about what you do. So my main job, I'm officially a dating coach when people ask what is your job or you know when I tell them the real story I say it's kind of like the movie Hitch but that's more Hollywood eyes. Most of my clients have been coaching this for over 10 years. Most of my clients, they want to just get a lot more girls, guys want to be having a lot more options, having a lot more sex. It's not all about finding the dream girl although that comes later. So they want to have a whole bunch of options and then be able to have their pick from a bunch of girls rather than kind of taking whatever comes their way or not having many options of high quality women. So I teach them how to build up their online profiles, approach girls in bars and clubs, approach girls during the daytime, how to text, how to run their dates, what to do when they bring the girl home from the date and how to keep the girl around. So there's a whole kind of strategic and tactical element to all this. I look at this the same way as I look at poker and chess. It's a strategy and skill game that can be learned fairly quickly when you're plugged into the right system. So give me your background. In other words, how did you get into this and why? Yep, so I come from a very nerdy background. I was like probably the shyest kid out of 700 people in high school. I was playing the violin, I was a math league, taking a lot of advanced placement classes, playing wireless chess before wireless technology was out yet. We were using these special devices, pretty hardcore nerdy stuff and I ended up studying computer science in college and I was going to originally be a programmer. I ended up going on and doing a second bachelor's in philosophy and then I kind of went the cognitive science route, did a master's in human-computer interaction and another master's in philosophy of cognitive science. I had this big kind of analytical knack of computer science was solving problems through formal algorithmic code, philosophy through informal discourse and deductive reasoning and then cognitive science was kind of providing empirical support for rational philosophical positions. After college I went on to do work for Lockheed Martin for five years working on Blitz and Missile Defense, kind of systems engineering work to optimize speed of response time and accuracy of response against nuclear biological and chemical threats and it was around this period of time when I was doing the defense work that one of my kind of really nerdy friends from high school, he read the book The Game, which will have a lot of us kind of in this community and I thought it sounded like a scam and so I refused to read it for about two years and he kept saying no dude, like there's a real method to the madness here and the game wasn't you know much of a tactical manual, it was more just kind of a lay of the land of the Pickupar's community, there was some strategy but then he went and read Mystery Method and he was like dude this is even more methodical and tactical and he kept pushing and I finally was like all right I'll see what it's about and as soon as I read those books and tried it out and saw it working that kind of ignited a whole spark. I had been playing professional poker on the side, I was doing extensive day trading of stocks and so this was right up my alley, this was another system in skill gain to be optimized but it had a much better reward than just winning a chess match or you know winning a poker hand, namely you know having your pick of the best and hottest women and so I set out, I looked back at my old blogs, I set out to become the best in the game and whatever it took to get there the shirt here never fucking give up but it was just kind of a relentless optimization process and I always show on my YouTube it was an exponential progression so it took about 10 years to diverse 100 girls, I was about 100, 150 girls a year, best year was 246 and obviously there's limits, there's temporal and you know it starts to interfere with your life if you're doing it too much, the best year was 246 and then it kind of leveled off a bit. The time of recording here is 1,414 so it's definitely gotten up there and as it's growing higher and higher guys have gotten more and more skeptical, remember when I first did 150 on the forums everybody was very skeptical, I had a whole bunch of proof to back it up but as it's gotten higher and higher it sounds more like I've made up numbers especially around the time I hit 1,000 girls towards the end of 2018 people said oh yeah 1,000 girls isn't that convenient but I've been reporting it for the whole past 10 years and it's one of the only objective ways to track progression of the game but I just leveraged all my analytical optimization kind of talents and applied them to the seduction game so that's how I arrived here that's kind of the unique angle I bring. Okay we hear that number of you said 1,414 now you get you get to that number and when that number is mentioned I'm sure to a lot of men I'm sure it triggers them and they do say like you said no no way that didn't happen. What kind of proof do you have that that number is legit? So I have a video that's over an hour long on my youtube it's called my proof for sleeping over a thousand girls and I made that specifically to address skepticism that's rightfully so so basically I show you know I have thousands of pictures with girls lots on the hookup situations because anyone can go and snap a picture of the girl but lots of the pictures are there in there you know they're in their underwear it's in a bedroom situation and it's not I'm not posting you know naked stuff but we blur their faces but very clearly hookup situations I recorded tons of the infield footage the hidden camera infield footage so I have over a hundred start to finish infield pulls on camera a lot of the top guys in the game like Alex from playing with fire and some of these other guys they've been in WhatsApp groups with me for years where I was kind of pasting every single new clothes like a picture of the girl the the number updates and I put 300 in a row on Instagram but I've kind of been steadily reporting on the forums and across my youtube channel over the past 10 years and anyone that knows me knows that I take that number very seriously it's not like it defines me or anything but I take it seriously to the to the respect that if I were to take like a nine home from the club and no one no one's there to witness like bender or not and I just got a blowjob for instance the next day hey man how'd you bend the shot every now it didn't close oh man I would have closed her now you know I tried she had this and that and if I never end up sleeping with her it never even reflects in the number and so I only counted like full clothes new sexual partners and you know there's it stagnated about because I moved a bunch of hot girls into the house in Brazil and so I was mostly you know sleeping with them and the 14 regulars on the side and wasn't doing a lot of new dates and stuff like that so yeah but in that video we go through all the proofs there's all kinds of forum posts there's lots of guys that have spent extended periods of time with me and seen me even at this conference here I closed three new on the first day and all these guys witnessed that I went out to a club last night took two Costa Rican girls out of the club everybody witnessed that the guys that were there from the conference so I'm able to perform even under pressure when people are watching it makes me even perform better actually because I want to like live up to what people think so yeah I mean in that video we detail all the different things but basically it's just the pictures the infield videos the guys vouching for us and then just people spending extended periods of time and first I went to visit Alex there was like eight or nine new closes that weekend he witnessed all that personally so I just I just I think in this industry it's one of the only major marks of credibility and no one's really kind of went to the lengths I have in terms of tracking and a lot of guys actually shy away from reporting that number there's a lot of coaches that turns out they've only been with you know eight girls or maybe a lot of them are in the double digits but there's nothing wrong with that but it's not coaching level I get a lot of clients that are in the triple digits I just had a guy that came to me at 300 they count so I look at that kind of as an objective measure of their experience in the game um in their general skill level but you know you have to balance in their age and a more accurate metric is how many girls are closing per month and per year what's the quality of those girls and are they in any kind of easy modes uh countries like I've purposely avoided places like Thailand Indonesia Philippines just so people can't say oh he's patting his and I took like a two and a half week trip to columbia and everybody said oh you're late counts because you went to columbia there's I banged like 20 girls there you know but it's just a small or a lot of guys since I'm living in brazil a big common criticism is oh it's easy in brazil anybody can bang a thousand girls I actually arrived in brazil already at 1179 and I was all reported on my channel so I already most of my closes are from the U.S. so it's congruency I mean you're living the john anthony lifestyle is what you're teaching and I think that's a big big deal in the manosphere right now because you are a voice against the frauds in the manosphere and that's what I want to talk to you about now so tell me about what you do and how you defend yourself and expose frauds in the manosphere yeah so I take this game not like very seriously to the point of like you know this everything you know like in a formal way it's more of I devoted my life to optimizing this for better or worse you know that's I really enjoyed the process as a fun you know a lot of fun research so to speak but um when you have all these guys coming out of the scene I very quickly can spot when I watch one of their videos or how they're carrying themselves that they're full of shit or you know most of these guys show no receipts they show zero pictures with girls I made a video about kind of the ugly girlfriends and wives of these coaches and some people thought that was tasteless but you wouldn't go for make money advice to a guy that's homeless and showing his bank account that's you know got a hundred bucks in it and say hey now listen to how I can tell you how to make money because he's not living that that life so when I made that video about the girlfriends and the wives a lot of those dating gurus girlfriends and wives are objectively below average looking right where a lot of guys would rate them like a three or a four for instance and it's not like that's the only worth woman has but if the guy's a world-class dating guru he should have at least an above average looking girl right so for me personally I've over the past 10 years I've had as a standard for any girlfriend or main girl on the rotation that she has to be above a nine looks and she also has to meet a whole bunch of other criteria internally but at least as a minimum looks wise she should be above a nine and these guys can't do that a lot of them actively preach that hot girls aren't even worth dating and they're all terrible and it's because they can't get hot girls and they actually get get snubbed by those girls and then so what what's happening is you have the vast majority I feel these coaches that are not real experts pushing systems that don't work pushing a lot of abstract theoretical nonsense and it's causing guys to waste endless amounts of time effort and money and some of these whole movements are just extremely toxic and kind of productive like for instance like the red pill stuff it's teaching guys to be hateful and resentful and confrontational towards women I talk to these guys on the phone every week and they say hey man like in the pickup world they're trying to get a strategy to get to get the girls but the but they're just kind of getting put on a hamster wheel and a lot of these you know unfortunately a lot of these companies are just trying to extract as much money as possible and so I've kind of dug behind the scenes with a lot of these operations and I've exposed the fact that they're purposely trying to mislead guys and purposely overwhelm and confuse them so that they come back to that company for more solutions and quotes which is more confusion and more problems for the upsells and for the other new products and so I'm a huge I mean you know coming from a very shy introverted place and you know I don't need the money in doing this coaching I'm so I'm kind of on the side of all the of all the little guys that are getting taken advantage of because I was in their shoes I was worse off than a lot of those guys and I know the pain very very real of what it's like to not be able to get girls and not think you have any kind of chance and that kind of stuff and so when I talk to these guys on the phone they're saying hey I went to the pickup strategy it didn't help you know because those guys just put them on the hamster wheel and they went to the red pill stuff and now they're very confrontational resentful against women and then eventually they start blaming themselves they turn to like the black pill stuff and they say hey I'm not a model looking guy I'm not a Chad therefore you know there's no chance and I can't get any of these girls and I try to set the record straight that the vast majority of the equation is game you should still you know try to maximize your sexual market value you should still work on what you bring to the table as a man you still work on your style and all the stuff your hygiene but you need to learn how to text you need to learn how to do a cold approach how to move things forward how to carry yourself this and that and so I've uncovered at least like 50 different companies kind of being full of shit I was I was one of the first guys to call out fresh and fit they went from zero subscribers to 400 something k in about six months and I just saw right away these guys don't know what they're talking about dig behind the scenes they're faking press releases they're faking stats you know and and then kind of aberrant preach came along a bigger channel and started you know putting a magnifying glass and then the whole rest of the internet got behind them because they're a bigger channel but I try to provide that what you know not just with fresh and fit but with all these other companies as well and I and a lot of these companies they're all I'm worried about he's gonna attack me if they're not full of shit I'm not gonna attack them I'm not just attacking guys there's some misconceptions that I just do it to be a hater because I'm jealous or because they have bigger channels but channel size doesn't correlate to the quality of the advice a lot of the biggest channels I know for a fact the guys are just full-blown scammers or they don't have any many real skills they have very minimal skills in the game but they have maybe almost a million subs in some cases so yeah kind of to address your point I think the average guy that's looking for help in this gets roped into all these bad paths of companies that are just trying to take advantage of them and he doesn't know any better and it's hard to make sense there's no quality control in terms of who has legitimate information people just kind of assume that they know what they're talking about because they have a following and they have a channel and and I used to think like that too back in the beginning I would read some of these internet marker newsletters and just by virtue of them acting like they know what they're talking about you just assume it's you know you just take them on their word but when you kind of go behind the scenes what what ends up being the case is that the vast majority of the stuff is very bad so the common guy is like really up against a lot of opposition he you know he doesn't know what to do and when he goes to look for help there's a whole bunch of people that are trying to screw him over and I feel like not many guys are willing I don't really know any other guys that are willing to call these guys out by name and kind of in a very aggressive way like I do and I kind of go kind of you know scorched earth for any for any for anybody watching and see my videos I get pretty angry and riled up when I'm making them I get pretty you know making the points emphatically swearing a lot in this net because it's it's a fucked up thing to be you know perpetuating all this pain in guys and in lots of cases making it worse and um and these guys are wasting their lives away following these these fake gurus so I feel like there you know there's so many more guys that need to be addressed but it's in my channel is only you know I've only got about 30k subs so it's just starting to scratch the surface but you know Anthony Johnson's been reposting a lot of my more popular ones and people are starting to realize that a lot of these heroes that they had are kind of full of hot air and but it's but it's refreshing because I see in the comments guys will be saying like hey man you're really healing a lot of stuff a lot healing a lot of damage I was really down on myself I was suicidal I was very depressed I was ready to give up and you're really like shining a lot of truth here and my my message is twofold it's a lot of the guys that you're going to for advice you know that's a big mistake and they're not real experts and by the way there's a real system that you can learn very quickly and you don't need months or years you just need to be plugged into the optimized set of moves and set of mindsets and stuff like that and the results will come in a matter of like a week or two so when you do this expose exposure we'll call it you're actually helping guys yeah you're kind of pulling them out of that hamster yeah and I take a lot of backlash for it I get death threats over email I get false copyright strikes and different attacks on my channel I've been down to like two strikes a few different times where I've had to like kind of damage control and private a lot of the more controversial videos until the 90 days clears with the strikes and so I'm risking my channel risking lawsuits potentially I'm never I'm trying not to ever say slander I'm just basing stuff based on real facts but you know the people are these guys try to protect their scam operations and so they'll come in and what we've uncovered is people are just mass putting slander about me on on Reddit and their modern life dating is an example where he went and made three two hour long videos with massive slander so I have an active lawsuit against him for defamation and you know but I've taken lots I've taken hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of damages to the business this year just because of all the backlash that comes with taking these guys head on and so that's kind of like the collateral damage with all this that I just have to kind of eat personally and all the you know when I attack freshman fit for about six months everyone was saying you're a hater you're a hater you're a fucking clock chaser listen that and then they all came back and said all you were right you know in this video age like fine wine so people kind of change their tune but people are just going with mainstream opinion anyways you know they're not listening to rational arguments too much they just see this is entertaining and this and that so I'm gonna buy into that but yeah it's it's not an easy road to travel and also I've made a lot of enemies and stuff like that and and a lot of these companies that they're they're pretty big operations and I'm taking you know money out of their pockets I've tried to organize class action lawsuits in some cases where these guys have really scammed on a massive scale and I'm still here yeah no that's good that's good I mean you're persistent in what you do so I want to go back now to 21 okay and ask you again it's your first time here yeah and how do men benefit from 21 convention as you can see as a new speaker yeah what's really cool is just a whole diverse set of opinions like I have my whole set of views on dating but there's a lot of different guys from different walks of life fitness guys psychologists everybody brings something different to the table and what I really like is there's not any kind of bias or judgment it's just an open platform and Anthony says that best himself he says I'm just giving guys a platform to get out their message we're not saying he's right and this guy's wrong or this guy's message is more important or this or that it's kind of everybody's kind of on an equal playing field and that's up to the the viewer to listen to what people have to say and see how it jives with their own personal philosophies and and what makes sense and what they can garnish from that so I like that it's a diverse set of kind of opinions rather than than a biased narrative because I think you know there's too much there's too much of like this single narrative like with the news with people are just exposed to like here's the here's the message here's how things are so when you have an open platform event like this it's great for everybody to network as well but you're getting a lot of diverse messages out into the into the you know the ethos there and it's really putting out a lot of opinions that might not have been popular but have good arguments behind them and then these videos become very popular and then so it's it's a great way to get your message out without having to play the political game and this and that but now as a speaker in the first time here what did you get from 21 yourself I made a lot of great networking connections there's a lot of guys that where I've watched their videos or you know a lot of people recognize me because they're followers of my channel so I made a lot of connections for guys that I'm going to collaborate with Jesse Peterson turns out he actually reached out I was to do a collab a few months ago and we never ended up working it out what we're going to do collabs there a bunch of the guys here they want to do future collabs so that'll it you know it goes it goes far beyond just the the four or five days here at the event this is going to spread on now we have a bunch of new relationships people are kind of attacking problems head on some people are attacking problems in the church some people are attacking no problems of feminism and this and that so so we're tackling real issues that are that are important that people need to be thinking about having an open discussion about and there really isn't any other platform that gives guys that opportunity you know if you do a one-off YouTube video whatever it's going to just get buried and all the rest of the content whereas these speeches kind of stand out on their own to kind of shed light on the onto various important issues so I've appreciated the networking aspect and just hearing a bunch of diverse viewpoints on on different real issues that are that are important and how we can go about solving them excellent one thing I want you to do is I want you to talk to the man out there that is having an issue say meeting a woman whether or not he comes to you and he needs help but talk to that man out there right now give him some advice yeah so it's very rare that I don't get a guy very good very fast we get a lot of guys that are on multi or dry spells or that are virgins or that you know they're just very separated from the dating game because they're in a marriage or a long-term relationship for a long time and you know they're back on the dating scene and a lot of guys think that that's like some kind of mountain they have to climb and it's going to be months or years of kind of grueling effort and this slow progression and it's actually quite the contrary it's actually the case that just giving a very high overview of what we do is we'll get a guy pro pictures for his online game and then I'll help him build his profile now he's getting lots of matches he plugs into my online scripts gets phone numbers plugs into the texting scripts gets dates and girls coming straight to the house and very quickly he's starting to get closes so most virgins on my programs are losing their virginity in the first week or sometimes the second week but it happens very quick so I think the big message is you don't need months or years of practice you don't need to watch thousands of hours of content once you're plugged into the proper system it's going to leverage like those texting sequences those are based off 14,000 over 14,000 phone numbers in my phone and I've put in the relentless kind of scientific optimization and split testing all this stuff and measuring quantitative data so when I take any guy of any skill level when he plugs in those sequences he's texting on my level out of the gate right so it's really the guys the guy starts off with the system and he just ends up with his schedule packed out with dates by the by the second week and that's I think that's a really big phenomenon I don't really see anyone else doing that and I think that really proves that you know you don't have to be a model you don't have to be model looking you don't need to have natural confidence and charisma all these other things you simply need to believe that you're good enough and that you're worthy of these women and you know you're not going to start right off with with nines and tens and model looking girls but for for most average guys out there unless it's you know some it's very rare that we run in these extreme cases but I've even gotten guys on wheelchairs late you know there was a guy I have a video there's a guy in a wheelchair in London it was cerebral palsy that took girls home two out of the three nights on my three day program and I didn't even expect that myself it goes to show when you're executing the proper moves the results it's hard for them not to come in like I tell guys like you're going to get lots of matches no way around it when you're plugging the scripts lots phone numbers no way around it lots of dates no way around it so for those of you watching you know if you're ready to finally go on the other side and have the problem of not having enough time to see all the girls and you know more of the quality type problems you know go on the other side and having your option and choice with a bunch of high quality women it's just a matter of a few short days away or a week away once you're plugged into the proper system excellent how can everybody find you so my youtube channel is john anthony lifestyle my website is johnanthonylifestyle.com and my ab program is platinumdatingsystem.com so on the platinumdatingsystem.com site you can sign up for a free 30 minute call we basically go over all your goals in the game all your weaknesses and your current level and then we walk through kind of how the eight weeks would be structured so that you plug into the entire content system and we have four calls per week to kind of blast through every weakness as quick as possible and on that free 30 minute call you can ask questions and see exactly our solution for how we would get you very good very fast and we've done this with thousands of guys so we don't really run into cases very often where we can't get the guy very good very fast most guys are getting to a pretty advanced level by halfway through the program after about a month so for those of you guys watching if you want to get very advanced as quickly as you know just a week or two out sign up for a free 30 minute call on platinumdatingsystem.com and also check out my free content on the john anthony lifestyle youtube there you have it john anthony welcome to 21 thank you so much appreciate you thanks thank you for joining me on the 21 report thanks a lot thank you take care