 Folks call me Beggar Cascadian. This is Hector Valdina. And we're here to talk about, for a second, resurrecting computers with free software. Basically, I'm involved in computer reuse and recycling organization in Portland, Oregon, in the United States. And Hector is involved in some projects in Venezuela. Yeah. So basically, anywhere there are computers, there are obsolete computers. So this means that there are computers sitting in closets in basements, in places where they're just going to waste. There are a lot of people who don't have access to computers. On top of that, there are a lot of toxic compounds in computers. So sometimes, instead of living in computers, they're sitting in their closet for 10 years or something. People just toss it in a landfill, or even worse, it'll end up getting shipped overseas, thrown on a big pile, and burned. This releases mercury, cadmium, all sorts of toxic heavy metals into the atmosphere, or leaks into the water supply. Computers are extremely dangerous pieces of equipment. It's not just computers. It's all products, but computers are obsolete so quickly that it's a pretty chronic problem. So the organization I've worked with and volunteered with is called 3geek.org. And they essentially decide, well, we've got people who don't have computers. We have this big waste problem. Let's push those two problems together and put something that helps everybody out. So the basic just that 3geek does is they take in all the equipment that nobody no longer uses. They teach volunteers how to process it, how to log it, and then rebuild the computers. So we're training people with some computer skills while at the same time, we're getting computers back to volunteers. There's two main programs. And then the other side of that bit is we're using volunteers to break the equipment down into smaller parts. So we break out all the plastics into one bit, all the steel into another. This stuff that's really heavy on copper, a bucket of processors can range anywhere in between $300 and $800 in US currency, depending on various market because of the gold content. So all of these raw materials actually have value. The organization can run. It meets a significant portion of its revenue just from the waste products. And because 3geek is doing all this stuff, we want to document it all. So there's weedee.freegeek.org that documents everything as much as we can get around to documenting about the organization. And ideally, we have everything on there. You could just go there and create your own 3geek wherever you go. We have a specific page geared towards startup organizations is the 3geek startup page. So there are several organizations in the US that have taken what 3geek has done and started their own operations in other places. Most of them don't process nearly the same volume that 3geek and Portland's doing, but we're getting started and you have to start somewhere. So that's pretty much the basic gist of it on 3geek.org. I just want to point out that I was laid off of following the 19th, I'm sorry, 2001. Solaris System Administrator. Solaris was kind of going by the wayside. And I knew that Linux was picking up. I had not had much Linux experience. So I spent my two years volunteering at 3geek starting in May of 2002. And two and a half years later, I was able to put down what I've done on 3geek on my resume. This is all volunteer work. And that is what got me the job I'm currently holding at Intel. If it works for 3geek and the educational volunteer opportunity there, I would not be at Intel most likely. I would not be at this conference right now. I can say that the educational experience at one desk there is quite invaluable. So another thing, we have all this free software, right? Well, what good is free software if you don't have a computer? So the whole process of 3geek enables a lot more people to gain access to the internet, to gain experience developing free software. We have a coding program where it's pretty loosely defined, but we try and teach people how to code, learn skills. We have volunteer system administrators running the organization. And we give out computers to something like 15, I think on average, like 10 to 15 people a week, some of whom this is the first computer, running a slightly modified DevIn install using MomentKDE. There's a lot of talk about moving to Ubuntu. But yeah, and would you like to pick up on what's going on with that setup? Yeah. At first, the software I use is just a program. And I would like to talk about the experience with our computers and free software. And we are working in free software for our most four years. I took the rights and opinions about it. We have a situation in our country because we have many schools within the party of our own computers. In my country, we have a school assistant very like in all the country. But we have many, many schools, schools with animals and cubers. Yes, because I understand cubers, cubers is all the school. But all the bodies within that school is for paid teachers. It's not for another fee, okay? And we have a procedure between four students who suffer a lot from different situations. That is a very, very revolutionary. And in this moment, in Venezuela, we have a decree for use only free software in all administrations. In this moment, it's only in the center of the administration that more labor will be in all of this country. That is very important. And we have in this moment many projects using free software. And we have many persons working in free software. I have a lot about the number. The later I agree. And also, we have one biggest electronic state company in the world. And they find modern computers MGS. I don't understand that. Okay, I don't understand. But every year, the company says we need new computers, make the computers, keep the computers in a small, deep room, and put new computers in all of this country. This is a crazy, but it's the reality. Well, they have many using computers which are very useful for our products. In my city, we ask to Venezuela, that is the company, if we can get our computers in Venezuela, say, don't worry. And in Venezuela, say, take a truck, fill a few computers, and put in my city. All that computers, and they are working in a small school, in public access library, in public internet access hall. Okay? We are working in projects to get truck computers in public access libraries, in public access hall, black cleaning schools, and others. And I have a video produced by the government of Venezuela. In this video, they showed libraries and schools, and those schools and those libraries, we have projects like LTSP, working with all computers, and working with all free software. Maybe more later, I'll put in honor in the section shared for you can see. Now, when we say free computers in Venezuela, we have many or unusual computers, many schools don't have computers. The non-free software is not the same with all the computers. When you can buy computers, you have three computers, and in one year, maybe two years, the non-free software will say to you, do you need a new license? Do you need a new license? Do you need pay me for still using the software? That is a bad idea. And that all computers don't use the non-free software. Free software is the right choice for use of all computers. The free software works in all the computers which you may need also for use. In this moment, we have computer like the 4-HC, and 5-HC, and painting 1 and painting 2, working in the school, working in the library, working in public internet access point. We have that concept in the public internet access point. It's a room with all the computers, with several, like painting 3, painting 4, and all the people can come at the room and the center, and they can browse internet, and work with mini-software, and they don't pay anything. It's a free user. Some signatures for these equations. We have in Venezuela for LTSP, Project Implementation. We are working with LTSP for 3-4 years, and we have in a full party, the Ferrari 2016 in Paracas, it's also in Satti. It's controversial because Satti is a party office, and Satti is very close with the free software movement. Maybe, possibly my friend, can explain the situation more detail, and in this area, they have a cluster with all 4-HC computers, and also Ferrari, in this party. Satti is the so-called patent office. Since 2004, we have been using free software, specifically Devian. We have hosted the first Devian mirror in our country. In 2006, we got together with the trolls. They self-named them as trolls. They are from France and Germany. They are Devian users, and they came to our country to make this a restoration project. We have 40 486 computers, they should be backtrusted, I think, and they made all the arrangements, so we can use them with LTSP and all that stuff. We also made an installation festival that day, and Satti is the only patent office in Latin America that doesn't pay the software need, so it's very controversial. We are actually in the blacklist of Microsoft. We are working with the customer.debt package for LTSP project. That package contains camera modifications, new software for the desktop, and other models. We have some government institutions, like in the United States of America, implementing the solution for schools and community interface access. In the United States of America, in this moment, we are working with operators. It's an institution. I'm working in the United States of America. We are working with corporate movement in our city to get full implementation of LTSP project. And full implementation is for the community. The full implementation is put in our new room, and we have a main cellar, and the people come in our room, and they can use the studio room freely. We are working in Spanish documentation. We are working in Spanish documentation because many people in our city don't have the Spanish language. And we are working in Spanish tutorial, too. And I have a number about the free software model in Venezuela. We have almost three peak disposal rates, with animal use 2,500 persons. We are working with the Debian Day for the years. We have a government, a community, and we are in the community. This movement is working very closely with the government for a new community. And we have a cell application for our country. And we have the sponsors, sponsored by two peak companies. The number one is Pederevesa. Pederevesa used almost two millions of barrels and they are barrels of petroleum all day. Pederevesa is very close in this movement with the Venezuelan free software modeling. Pederevesa is sponsored by many projects. For example, Pederevesa paid me a flight ticket for a road to death form. Pederevesa... YouTube? Okay, two persons. Pederevesa is paid, is sponsored by many, many projects. And another company is the CNA, CNA, and Steve Company. Pederevesa has a project-based free software. And that is very important for the free software of the community in Venezuela. Pederevesa is sponsored by two big companies and it is unconditional. It is unconditional. It is unconditional as well as for the free software model. If we need, for example, they say it's a free software model and we need a new internet accessor. Okay, what do you need? Do you need a 1 megabit, 2 megabit, 3 megabit, 4 megabit? What do you need? And do you need a new computer? Okay, don't worry. The computer is in the office. You can use it, don't worry. But this is all my fault. It's good news. Do you folks have some questions to ask about anything? Anything you'd like us to elaborate on? Yes. How does WN Installer work for you? I've just recently started playing with Sarge WN Installer using pre-seeding and stuff like that. But we do have some customized scripts that just basically map over NFS and R-Sync, the whole file system. But we do have made some installer CDs that install the distribution we use. And it's called... I wrote some wrapper scripts around WN Installer called Simple CDD, or wrappers around WN CDD and more, which basically just takes the WN... It downloads all the files off of a WN mirror, builds a CDD with some pre-seeding, and we've also started experimenting with network-based pre-seeding and stuff. But it's a lot slower to actually install the packages than it is just R-Sync on the file system. So, yeah, and some of these computers, they're getting to be decently fast now. I think the computers are like 7866 MHz that we're giving away. And then we're giving away like 900 MHz to like 1.2 GHz to a few nonprofits. But that's more like 10 to 20 a month. But yeah, it floors me how fast our spec is going up. When I started working there in 2003, we were still using P1, like 1.66. I remember that. So just in a couple of years, I got to work in it. But yeah, I don't know. Have you used it? Yeah, we are working in WN Installer. I try to work in WN Installer for the day-to-day. But I don't have a leader-level goal. But because in Venezuela, one project is a unit, it's a cooperative institution. We have a WN Installer with all the NUs in Spanish, with all the communication in Spanish, and with Link for another project like that. Thank you. I think we're very interested to have some kind of link to your sensitivity and your damage to all the big pages. So if we would like to add that. Thank you. You're welcome. A question I have for people is, do you know of organizations in your local area, or are you interested in starting one at all? Anybody? Have you heard of anything? I've been to the UK. There are some depressing things that go on. Because funding is available, it's easy for schools to get funding for their computers. So they don't have the pressure to put the efforts into looking at whether it's going to work with Linux instead. The other thing I found out recently is that if you have a site license to go to school in the UK for Microsoft's Windows and the Office suite, it's about a hundred pounds of lawsuit. That's irregardless of that. That's regardless of whether you're actually running on, that's for any machine that's more than twenty one hundred class. Regardless of whether it's got a single byte of Windows on it and pay a hundred dollars per seat. So I'd go to school with a hundred pounds per seat. So I'd go to school with 14 computers that I'm coming from, and it's out of the bank that I'm doing the way for. And it's very custom about, I've worked there, I've forgotten that way, and this sounds too big, but I think it might be like thirty-five grams. No, that's a kind of way. It's very hard for the government, the customers are going to need it. That's it. That is fact up. And the rate goal is that you have to get the schools to deploy where they have off their computers on Linux before it comes to getting the software and getting the other off their Windows. So they just had a contract that we'd pay this much for every seat. Yeah. I know in the U.S. Microsoft tried to like mandatory enforce that on schools, and the schools just revolted. And it's like, you know, this is the kind of the policy for it. Right. But once they went off their computer, it was a savings fund that would be off their cost. So which means that in order to break even, you'd have to have at least half the number of and then there's going to be confusions in the school. That means that they have to know we're all incentive to do it. So that is a problem. I have got, so there is a project that's being put together by a community of smart people where there's a bit of DTI that's part of the training of the school and it's a funding which there's a bit of a lack of money to do it as we see it as a project and have it as a test case to show that you can make the same money by doing it. But it needs inventing people and a lot of people in the school because they don't have enough time or the energy to do that. So they just cannot do what they do. How did you get support from your patent office? Sounds like a good trick. Well, the work is the form. The public institutions have a form and they pay for a different institution. We have in Venezuela the government have another degree and for May it's a cooperative institution and we have many, many cooperative institutions and the government when months have made a contract prefer a cooperative institution. This is the degree. So the public institution pay a cooperative form to make a project and you make the support in all centers. It's the experience, the situation and the work. The work is and all the people is willing because it's not only when it's not a big company the only win if only a small company a cooperative institution the winner. This is amazing because the big cooperative institution older, our students are young people and the student and young people is a... I think it's the right way for our country because always all the people are here. So as you see there's a number of... Excellent. How about non-X86 hardware? Do you play that at all or just it's not worth it? It's too much effort to support it. We have a sister project just a couple of hours south from us called... they used to be called metronome but now they're called Lane County C-C-C-C-R-C or something. It's right there up at the top and they basically handle all of our macrelated equipment. We get some spark stuff in we've got some alpha stuff I've kind of played around with making that work because this was tunnels and yeah we get some really oddball stuff we've started setting up like a computer museum we just got a... what was it? One of the TRS-80 we just got one of those in not so long ago and out there we had a ZEOS machine a while back it was all like in a wooden case crazy. So we get some really oddball hardware also to keep the organization running it's kind of... but we don't really make use of most of the oddball hardware we typically will like for a sale on eBay to help with organizational costs or we have a thrift store that people come in and just buy used equipment but yeah so we do what we can but it's almost... the vast majority of ZEOS is related to hardware Do you want to mention the co-op? I can do a little bit of that Sure One time we had a grant from the Meyer Memorial Trust to take a non-profit currently running commercial software and essentially converted to running all open source software the non-profit that we worked with was a mental health agency they were using some fairly old commercial software for their patient tracking system it would have been quite expensive to get it upgraded to current standards they would have to upgrade the windows and they would have to upgrade their hardware so what we did we looked at replacing all their windows desktops with Linux using... they were using LTSP but the big part of the project was to take the patient tracking system and try to replace it with something that's open source and we found that there was a hospital in New York St. Vincent's Hospital in New York had been working on an open source patient tracking system what was an SQL clinic was the name of it running off of a Postgres backend database and we took that but they published an open source and we worked with them their people were willing to work with us to adapt that piece of software to work on our situations because we're not at all in that hospital we were a outpatient mental health clinic and some of the requirements are different but structurally the basic concept would be the same and unfortunately it took a lot more than we anticipated to do the change because we... the scoping of the project was quite challenging but we were able to do it we did change they changed it in that software and we in turn published it to make it available to others some other health agencies to use it but essentially we were able to take them off of the windows environment except one or two machines that they had to have because they were agencies they dealt with that required using windows to deal with them and unfortunately one of them is the Oregon Department of Revenue but there's a piece of software that you'll require to use to file their returns I don't know much about it and that requires windows beyond that they were able to wean much of the agency off of windows in free computers that we got they were able to augment their install base I think if I'm not mistaken without having to buy a single new computer even though the project went over budget over time there was a lot of lessons learned and it could be repeated now that we know what to expect and know what to get into and the concept could be modeled and we could take somebody's windows infrastructure and replace it with open source some software that we've worked on we have a few pieces of software that we use to run free geek FGDB is a php web interface to keep track of all the devices we get it's also a contact management system so anybody who comes in to volunteer or donates stuff will typically track information on them and use it for good and not evil FGDB is some hardware testing scripts written in Python FGDB basically was like it came out of a class we taught on this is how to learn Python or how to write Python FGDB came out of how to write php there's a class on Python which resulted in the FG DAG which is a hardware DAG on states and then somebody wrote FG scheduling for like managing our staff scheduling and I have no idea what it's written in but yeah those are some of the highlights we also back in the day I wrote a system called Lestis which made it into Sarge hopefully won't make it into Edge and it was basically a discus terminal implementation that was very devy and base it used the bootstrap to install the environment rather than building a bunch of binaries and we're currently working on moving towards an LTSP bootcamp project which does a very similar thing and so that way you're not reusing all the binaries or re-implementing all the binaries we're just reusing standard variant binaries for the Lestis terminals and implementation yes, question? Well just sending you a question that's here in the IRC from Maxi he says that he really prefers to set up thin clients because basically any machine can be set as an X error and you need one more powerful server in the network so you can have a very small network which starts in X server and for many situations that's enough Yes, I started the Lestis project one day when we had a classroom full of machines that were basically just logging into a server and the hard drive failed on it and I'm like this is ridiculous all these machines are doing is logging into a server so we should use Lestis terminals and it's a really good way to make use of older hardware even a 486 can be used as a Lestis terminal though bringing actually doesn't keep anything below a P3500 much to my surprise so yeah, Lestis terminals are amazing of course that's probably one of my main projects is working on Lestis terminals and we kind of use them for everything we use them around the hardware testing software we use them to install our machines we use them as public access terminals we love Lestis so I want you all to go and start up pregings at your home or probably whatever you want but I know you all use computers and so probably there are unused computers within miles of where you live or kilometers or whatever you like to measure it by and that's your homework assignment so any questions about your homework assignment? no questions you all know how to do this kind of thing oh we have the wiki don't we? it's true you do have the wiki good idea I was hoping to hear other projects because I know they're out there I have a question you mentioned in the beginning that you sell buckets of scrap material so which part of the machines you get into your scrap and which part do you recycle? we recycle everything basically the most difficult thing to deal with is monitors they contain between three and eight pounds of lead oh sorry I meant recycle versus reuse we try I think our current statistics are for every five computers we put on back into reuse that's about the average statistic yeah a huge part of that is simply warehouse space they're definitely like I said earlier anything below a P3 500 we're just outright recycling because if we didn't do that we'd end up later down the road recycling like an 800 or 900 megahertz system because we ran out of space spending all this time on this older equipment but I'm very interested in setting up projects to work with other organizations to ship some of our lower up stuff to places we've done a few projects like that which with very very mixed results one that was really successful was sending equipment to Uganda although when we got there we found that they had a lab of like P4s sitting in boxes unused so we sent them a bunch of P2s and P3s and we were very surprised and so there it was more of a cultural like teaching people how to fix problems like but we've also had a few projects to send equipment to Central and South America which had very mixed results one time we actually got a bunch of equipment confiscated at the Mexico border yeah that was a problem but we're learning how to do more international grants better slowly learning but a big part of it is too is like there are computers almost everywhere so it might be better to send people there to teach locals who are interested in setting up computer recycling organizations and to kind of see the projects along with a little bit of know-how experience we got 15 minutes how do you go up with the people that you actually inflict these computers on? because I have come across many computers but I don't have that many people that are like yes I want low computers it's got windows on it most things started out as word of mouth there was before the organization even really existed it started out at a tabling at an Earth Day event in Portland, Oregon where I was like I have this idea I have a name, it's called Free Geek we're going to take computers and give them away to people and basically since then sometime later that year that was in 2000 somebody put an ad in the local paper that said free computers and the phone number and then they were flooded from there on so it's kind of gotten crazier every consecutive day since but I've never really had to put much energy into advertising it's mostly been word of mouth they've gotten some media coverage usually local, there's been some even international coverage I believe absolutely what's that? do you have a weapons? I think Oslo Martin is the founder and it started with just a bunch of computers sitting around this house and then people are like oh you're collecting computers so they gave them more and more and they piled up that's the one I still like I've heard a number of people so that's what it's all about it's kind of a brand new thing once you get a certain amount of old unused computers together more will just gravitate towards them people will hear that oh you're collecting computers they'll come so yeah I think do you have a question? do you have trouble with either one people wanting computers and you have the ready to give out or you have the opposite problem more computers or it just bounces up and down it varies some right now the most coordinated program there's two main programs at Freeduke one is you spend 24 hours volunteering with the organization and you get a computer where people do anything from actually busting up the computers the plastics and the metals ripping them pieces and then the other people who actually will evaluate the systems and we teach them how to identify based on physical characteristics or hooting them up what general class of computers are and then they go on to actually rebuild the computers and that program is basically like a build six you get to keep the six although only about a third of the people in the computer building program actually even want a computer most of them are just in it for the experience that was my case I don't mind more than six we've got people who have these sheets of paper where you write down how many they've built and it just goes on and on there's some people who probably build hundreds so right now the build program is the most elaborate program that we can teach people and then and then they can replicate that over and over again they'll encounter different problems and issues but it's a pretty replicable thing to teach the coding program has been a little different in that sense you can teach somebody how to code but you can't just tell them repeat that same code over and over again it's not very useful so teaching somebody how to program is a lot harder than teaching somebody how to build a computer what did you do with data left on hard disks for computer stuff we wrote as part of the free week diagnosis test we have something that runs bad blocks several times over the drives we've been exploring some other techniques but we do make sure to do at least four wipes I think which gets it to the point where they would really have to invest a ridiculous amount of money in order to get it any drives that we recycle we actually physically destroy do we do any data recycling as part of the... I feel like it's too dangerous for the organization which space do you disassemble and then assemble the PCs where do you disassemble and assemble the PCs where? there's a community center and you have a point to the web page it's a community center and we don't just do we don't just do computer things I forget exactly how big the floor space is 15,000 each section is 5,000 we started with 1 5,000 square foot building and then we ended up to 15,000 square feet and we are first in the scene right now so we have a lot of space some of it's dedicated there's like a meeting room there's kind of like a community events room if you see at the web page there's a light swap meeting so we do things we've started actually hosting like art showings at the space so it's more than just like computers too we try and draw in a broader pool of the community so that Freedbeak is just part of the community it's not just a bunch of geeks playing in the computers which I think is absolutely essential I like to focus on the free part of Freedbeak some people are interested in the geek part we had prom last Saturday night we had a formal prom this is prom season it was really important in the summertime we have an event called geek fair we have a block party we've actually closed the block and a lot of very interesting events one of them is for those of you who are very very frustrated at printers there cannot be anyone of you in here who has never been frustrated with a printer so we've invented this wonderful process and that's called printer smashing you pay I think $1 or something like that for the privilege of taking a sledgehammer and smashing a printer or your weapon of choice or your weapon of choice and smashing a printer as much as your little heart desires wonderful events like that now last week didn't they have a bicycle something that they can ride their bikes old computers or some weird thing very wonderful in Portland area in the summertime look us up how can they do in other countries where there is no cooking in December that has been I think that's the key to what Freaking Portland was so successful when it started out is they actually had start-up funds for somebody to leave it for like three months and have somebody there staffing it for like I think five days out of a week and that was pretty key I think having a space there where people know oh these people are open like five, six days a week I can just drop in during these hours you never get up to the hours or like eleven to seven so a lot of times people are like what these are crazy hours but you know within your hours and a space for people to just come and know they can drop in and help out or drop off their stuff or whatever I think has been key some of the other Freedies that have started up in other areas in the US have not had that privilege and it's really slowed down the process so I would recommend to anybody interested in starting one up to get a little more start-up funds and have like even just a couple months of opening and operating expenses covered which definitely increases the volume but yeah since they are so toxic you shouldn't be getting into this without you shouldn't be getting into this unless you're serious too so I want to encourage people but at the same time like once you start taking computers and people know about it and some of the decisions that I've heard about they tend to get flooded like very quickly yeah you want to mention what were the start-up funds and how much it cost to do that for three months something like 30,000 to 40,000 maybe 50,000 okay for the rent and all of that there is the law that we have left not smashing right there no, no, that's me dancing I want you to dance no, don't do that no, sit down yeah so it's not completely so public that is a I think it is now we're just barely getting into the point that when the income from the recycling and the thrift store and what little bit we're doing I believe is finally becoming self-sustaining we've had to we've had to kind of refine our recycling because the more you sort the raw materials the more you get per pound for those raw materials and I think in the beginning perhaps our sorting was not quite as refined but now we've got it to the point that we have with Charlie the advanced recycling where we can take the actual chips and break them off the boards and put them in a pail by themselves and we take the gold contacts knock them off the board put them in a pail, you have a five gallon bucket of gold contacts that brings us about five or six hundred dollars for that bucket if they're still in the boards we just get no one near that kind of money so the more we sort the more we get as far as I know to come in there we are starting to get break even and self-sustained maybe you know more about that but that's what they told me a few weeks ago yeah really this has been steadily the collaborative technologies project did end up sinking really into debt but after one year they've already recovered and are making more money in fact it's definitely hoping to raise the standards for the staff again and stuff they took a voluntary cut during the time but yeah there's three main recycling streams I believe there's just people donating stuff when they bring in them things which we have mandatory fee for monitors because they're so hard to recycle there's grants is another main donation or income source no less and less less and less reliant on that because Fregeek has a physical income stream it can do things like the thrift store which generates a little revenue to support the organization and then there's just the physical raw materials recycling which Fregeek is sending out several tons of raw materials every week I believe it's crazy but so unlike a lot of non-profit organizations Fregeek has a natural income of just physical equipment that allows them to be more self-financial sufficient well another thing you need to point out is that our entire infrastructure that means the computers that are used all the stuff when the secretary desks everything that came into that place came in as part of the waste stream so essentially we're extremely fortunate non-profit to run on just about a zero capital budget when I was told that the only capital infrastructure we bought was a four point hub a long time ago that's a hit else came in to receive it and we pay for consumables like light bulbs and stuff like that we pay our salaries but that's pretty much it the infrastructure is right on the ground zero capital there's no cost at all to the equipment that we use that's networking the whole mess I think we're basically wrapping up every moment of assignment and we'll be ready to start rigging in your local area