 Can you please turn on the microphones? I believe I'm on. Thank you and Have we confirmed that we have a quorum? Yes, we are supposed to have Virtual faces Hi, everyone. All right since you guys seem to be queued up here We will call the February 8th meeting of the architecture review board Intercession and if we can start with a roll call, please Steve Joe Clark here Marcus Savaglio Jerry Jones Richard Lindy Richard Lindy Pam Langen was going to be missing today Robert Heimerl also called in and indicated that he was not going to be here Charlie Wig Charlie Wig, so right now we have three and we need four for Anyone online that I missed as we put things on pause for a minute So it would come down to Charlie Charlie or dick Thank you, we do need to go to a commercial time out after all yes, is someone else joined the call Charlie hi Charlie excellent, and I believe that brings us to a quorum excellent. Thanks for calling in Charlie No, no problem no problem and with that we can get things rolling So I would ask everyone to please stand for the pledge of allegiance Indivisible It's always fun with the delay Item 1.3 is identification of any potential conflicts of interest with today's items anything from board members Hearing none. We will move on to item 1.4 approval of the minutes from Way back September 28th, and Steve can we just do that as a Thank you, do we need roll call for this or can we just do a voice vote we can do a voice vote All right, so we have a motion and a second if we got who Marcus and Charlie great. Thank you any further discussion Hearing none all those in favor signify by saying aye aye aye Opposed Minutes are approved. Thank you very much Brings us to item 3.1 the proposed construction of the new warehouse and salt shed by the Shepoegan area school district at the Horace man site And if you want to bring your team up and give a Quick introduction if you can use the podium mic just so that goes out to everyone We're on now Excellent. All right. Good afternoon. I'm at Wilfrid with Bray architects Joel Wulmer Shepoegan school district And then mark Miller is joining from Bray as well on the screen share a virtual option So good to see everybody today the proposal the proposal is to Construct it in approximately 9,000 square foot a storage warehouse with a detached salt shed This is replacing One to two buildings within the the district in the city as well So replacing one existing structure some rented space really consolidating maintenance and storage operations for the school district To one far more central location and definitely in a newer structure to where they're currently operating out of The location is really a relatively invisible Spot within the Horace man property Grade is about 15 16 feet lower where we'll be constructing the building from the closest Jason roadway of Georgia Avenue And really the the proposal is split-faced CMU base in the color roughly as Joe is holding up the darker brown color here The metal panel upper metal structure in more of a tan and then the accent trim color in the darker or gray to black Which is really generally in alignment with existing Horace man colors Don't have exact until we go through the process of acquiring the metal building but the general earth tone neutrals to blend into the landscape and I wouldn't say be complimentary but be similar in in tone and aesthetic to the Horace man middle school So again, we feel it's a good project through a variety of lenses and probably the biggest one is Freeing up a site which is in a dilapidating building that the district needs to move away from and We feel like this site and location was specifically selected to have the least visual impact possible on the neighbors to the property So we welcome any questions or thoughts you may have Great. Thank you. I Guess these are pretty simple straightforward Utilitarian buildings is the biggest questions. I had were on the actual materials and colors and how those Fit you you've verbally described that I guess I would ask that once those are set that you submit actual colored elevations with the materials To to staff just to confirm that everything looks good then Other than that, I guess to clarify for the rest of the board that there are some variances Being requested as part of this project, but that's not our purview plan. Commission will be dealing with those So we're really just looking at the aesthetics of the building in the proposed the location proposed And I do have a question Yes, please proceed between the building and the Tennis court is a major walkway to the back soccer field and During the season that area is constantly wet. Are you putting a sidewalk between that area? And where's the watershed from the building planning to go? the the existing Sidewalk that you're talking about is on the south side of the tennis courts. This building is going on the north side of the tennis courts. I Agree with you, but the major walkway The parents and the children always walk on the grass on the opposite side. They don't actually use the black top walkway that was Put in for the backfield Yeah, there will be sufficient room between the south face of the new building and the north face of the tennis courts to allow that Pedestrian float to work in general the storm water moves if I remember correctly from I'll say north to northeast Around to the west and southwest of the building and that drainage pattern will be Maintained with obviously some minor grade revisions to support the project, but that general movement of storm water will remain Looks like that's a about 20. It's about 20 feet Yep They're still going to be sufficient room for not only pedestrian movement But the district needs to maintain movement for lawn mowing equipment and other things through that location Charlie did that answer your question. There's no plan for a sidewalk or another Drainage to where the water flows between the trees in the new building There is a natural plan There is not a sidewalk planned, correct the drainage will be revised But it's not being done to specifically address the issue you referenced It's being done to make sure we can move storm water sufficiently around the new building It's not going to hold up my vote. I think it's a great project I just think it's something you guys could consider because it is the major traffic flow path for that field and Most parents usually walk away with my feet during the spring because of the excess water in the drainage ditch behind your building We'll mention tennis courts. It's sorry Charlie We'll mention that to the civil engineer make sure they've taken that into account and as always we've got the sidewalk and slightly the wrong Place should have been north instead of south. It sounds like Yeah 9,000 square feet of building that's a lot of water drainage So, you know, that was the one dry field that the younger children played on all the time because Soccer fields are always wet. There's always a drainage from there's always a worry about ruining the turf hence why you guys put in a big turf field, which is amazing But it's the one dry field that they continue to play on and now it's going to be gone So I just curious about the drains Issues that are in that area. Yeah, well just just to be clear We're not affecting any existing fields with this project. We're building over the top of what used to be sand volleyball courts Fair open green space, there's a bit of that affected agreed Because it was dry Thank you appreciate your insights Charlie, you know the site way better than the rest of us it sounds like Other questions or comments from the board This is Terry Jones I live one block over from the existing site that they store the sand and Assault that so I'm glad to see that I sort though The sooner the better and I live not too far from horsemen by consulate So I would make a motion to approve as presented subject to staff recommendations Second We have a motion and sec was that Marcus seconding Thank you. Any further discussion Hearing none, I think we probably need the roll call vote sounds good Joe Clark I Arcus of Aglio Jerry Jones and Charlie wake great that is approved Thanks, you good luck with playing Commission that brings us to item 3.2 The resubmittal of the exterior remodel proposed at a million dreams 1423 North 29 Gavin if you and your team could please give introductions and Tell us what's changing and why? I'm Angel Berry. I'm executive director and co-founder of a million dreams Gavin Dorsch with abacus architects, and I'll let her explain the reason for some of the resubmittal and then I will take any questions concerning materials and other building components So along with everybody else on the planet it seems like we had some hiccups with COVID At some of our funding it turned out to be not as deep as we had hoped So we went back to architecture and made some adjustments to the plan to cut those costs down So that we're not buried in in fundraising and we can move closer to getting this open faster Basically, we've taken out exterior wise. We've taken out some of the windows on 29th Street And we've changed the siding so we're we took out the steel siding and we're putting in vinyl Fiber cement whatever that is But the colors are all staying the same we've also eliminated at the kitchen edition which would be in our backyard on the backside And we've eliminated one of the the door overhangs in the back In about the same section that you're in right now and Move that extended one to the southern back door That's about it. I think okay Unfortunately, I think we can all relate with the issues that you're talking about Shame to see it not taken to quite the level that that it was previously But it still looks as if it's tidying up the property nicely putting it to good use So I really didn't have anything from my end any other questions or comments from the rest of the board We have a motion from Marcus and a second from Jerry, I believe Any further discussion? Hearing none Steve if you could do the roll call vote, please. That's good Joe Clark. Hi Marcus of Aglio Jerry Jones and Charlie Wigg It's like we are approved. Thank you very much. Congratulations. Thank you very much. Thank you. Good luck with the project Sounds good Thanks, Kevin Brings us to item 3.3 the proposed exterior renovation at Petro Center at 905 Indiana Avenue leave that applicant must be joining us remotely Yeah, I'm yes. I'm here Hey there, if you wouldn't mind giving a brief introduction and tell us a little bit about what you're proposing for the project Be happy to so this is a renovation of the existing building at 905 Indiana Avenue and the owner currently has a Kind of a abandoned Car wash at the rear of the building which you can see in the site plan there What he's looking at doing is converting that into a small restaurant space and As part of that doing a little bit of renovation to the exterior of the building So obviously putting in new windows and doors in the back car wash space, but then also looking at Adding to the exterior of paint scheme just to sort of unify that entire property There's opportunity along the street furniture to create some green space. So we're taking advantage of that as part of this But we think this will really clean up and make that site nice again Great. This is a another fairly straightforward one I think it was just the addition of a few windows that sort of kicked it from just a staff level approval to the board so Steve so everyone knows Again, what they're talking about is there was an old car wash portion. That's what they're taking a look at You can kind of see in Rendering that it shows the tables and the kitchen That it's presently vacant looks like they're going to do some improvements and quite a bit of painting too you can kind of see photos of the existing facility and There are some improvements that are taking place and Adam would you be Adam James is from vision architects He's who's presenting today. Could you just kind of indicate? What you're doing with the storefront and the paint scheme and the mansard and what's all actually taking place Yeah, sure can so the the exterior as you can see in the rendering there's We're the rear part of the building that used to be the car wash We're taking the overhead doors out and then we're adding in some storefront there And then there's a couple small windows on one side of the building that would be the I guess it would be the southwest side We've got a couple windows shown there The main access into the space to be both on the north and the south side again They're existing garage door open openings. We're just putting new storefront in there All of the existing mansards on the buildings for the architecture of the building all stays the same We're not proposing to change any of that What you're seeing in those renderings is really just an updated paint scheme So we've got a couple different shades of gray on there and then maintaining that red Accent along the top of the building the the existing buildings obviously a little tired I think what what you've done is Fairly simply just given it a new life Introducing a horizontal banding provides a nice ordering system for the building So nice to see it to get spruced up a little bit. I really didn't have any other questions or concerns other board members Questions comments from your end Mr. Chair, I've got one question. Are we really attached to that color at the top? It's it's a corporate branding color So we we just kind of stuck with what was there enough and What's going to be served in the restaurant? I'm excited to know Then in contact with the owner Jeff is with Sierra structures He could probably comment a little more on on what the food service is going to look like Good question, Marcus. You want to take that one? There we go. Yeah, it's going to be a restaurant grab and go Which is fish fry deep-fried appetizers And And I'm trying to remember if you're a little talked about the mechanicals and any changes to visibility of mechanical equipment We don't anticipate any They'd be on the roof and We're anticipating locating that far enough away from the parapets. It's not visible from the ground I guess with the dimension of the kitchen one thing that often comes up is that Exhaust requirement and whether that ends up being visible on an exterior wall or if that's also going up through the roof We would go through the roof on that. Okay Marcus did the food choice get your vote? I'd make a motion to approve at this point Right, we have a motion. Do we have a second? That was Jerry We have a motion and a second any further discussion Hearing none Steve if you could do the roll call, please Joe Clark I older person savaglio Jerry Jones and Charlie wigg super we are approved for item 3.3. Thank you very much And is it you? Same team presenting for 3.4 Yes The proposed new convenience store and service station at North 26 and Superior So again Adam. Are you? able to give us a brief description of that project, please I Sure can Again, this is another same same owner on this one, but this is a new service station fronting on superior You know with a new service station obviously there's a lot more flexibility and materials colors and things so We're excited about what we're presenting here. I think it'll be a nice addition To this this main kind of thoroughfare fronting If you look at the site plan, we've got 3,000 square foot building We've got a small trash enclosure on the east side kind of tucked back behind the building Jason to that. There's a spot for some stormwater management. So we're covering that on the site play out and then we've got a canopy a fuel canopy out in the center of the Site area with basically three pump islands on it We've got access shown off of Superior and then also the side street Jason to which I think is 26 And then we are also providing a pedestrian connection from that public sidewalk To the front door of the building The floor plan just an interior layout of this pretty typical of what you see maybe one Little nuance to this as we are proposing a small restaurant use in this as well so that's on the On the west side of the building and from an elevation standpoint We're showing something here. That's got a real contemporary modern look. I don't have anything for the red color. So I'm not trying to get all ready in the city of Sheboygan this Accent color on this one may change Depending on his partnership or the branding of the the service station. So depending on where that lands That that could potentially change but on this project this particular project. We're showing just a small amount of that As much as the last one You know, we've got a base of masonry on this building a good solid ground And then we've got some some paneling and things up on the upper facade portion of it Trying to keep it really crisp and really bright make it look clean and and and again very modern great that that will certainly be a change along superior So the the canopy and pumps I believe are a future submittal and really not part of what we're looking at today is outright Steve Correct. That's correct I think the drawings that you have before you in terms of the perspective give you an idea or a concept and I think I think there would be the ability if the board wanted to say hey You're headed in the right direction if you brought something in similar to that. I think that's something we would consider I do think that the pulse With the brickwork that matches our things that we've tried to see in other recent service station proposals and the colors matching so I think they're headed in the right direction, but They would need to bring that back at such time as they have a definitive answer on what direction they're heading Thank you for that clarification And yes, I would agree that what's shown in the renderings Seems to be that the right sort of direction of what we've been asking for on other similar projects So if that were to come back as shown That Probably good, but if there are any other thoughts or concerns from board members, please feel free to weigh in on that too But as we focus on the building there were just a few things that jumped out to me So I'll hop in on those first one was the the alignment of the tower in plan It's shown with that glass top piece wrapping the whole way around But then when you go to the plan That doesn't align with the wall layout for the division of the restaurant to the the rest of the space So it looks as if there must be something happening with a an interior soffit offset Between the wall and the glass up above And I'm is that something you can speak to Hi, it's probably just a Last-minute floor plan change that didn't work its way through the elevations. I think we would try to align those for simplicity okay that The transition there Could make for some kind of funky architecture inside But if the intent had been to have a display shelf or something that that would make sense But yes, it would be ideal if if you can't align it just that's losing space out of the sales area Second question was on that red band. I Personally don't have a problem with the color But the thickness shown it looks fairly thin like it's maybe an 8 to 10 inch tall band I'm just curious on the canopy projection part of it What you anticipate the structure being for that Being able to support it and shed water And remain that thin Yeah, more than likely what we would do there would be And I don't know that this has been completely decided yet But it would either be a sunshade so that it's not carrying Water or it would be something that was very minimal like, you know, a steel deck type canopy Okay, we've just seen in the past similar Items on submittals that then as you get through the detailing you realize that it has to be a lot thicker or it introduces Downspouts or other elements that just change the look a little bit So if anything does change from that that would need to come back as a resubmittal And then I think the last thing on my list was Without having a building section Not sure what the parapet height is around the perimeter that I believe you're using for screening the mechanicals What kind of parapet height are you looking at? I don't know that I have those on here, but we'd probably be in the neighborhood of two to three feet so I guess without that and sort of the Presumably some rooftop units in there to know what the line of sight would be Just wanting to make sure that those those units are sufficiently hidden from the street elevations Okay And as far as I'm concerned if that can be included on additional drawings to come back for staff To check at that level. I don't know that that would need to hold up the approval at this point But okay open for further discussion from the rest of the board What are you guys thinking other thoughts from your rent? Why are we separating the canopy from the building if you're proposing to build a gas station? You repeat the question Charlie You want me I can answer that Because US venture US oil Does the canopy and gas pump portion? For actual approval on the building and then the canopy is a separate company and a separate contract Need to feel like it should be a separate submit Just to clarify Charlie you're you're asking why it's a separate submittal rather than physically attached to the building Through the next the middle because the building for the Parcel is already done. It just seems like it should have been submitted at the same time Yeah, that was something we definitely talked about it. It sounds like it's two different contractors And that's why they put it in the perspective. You're right in terms of Coming in that was one of the reasons why I said that there's no question that before there's any type of Affirmate issuance that that needs to be in here so we can confirm that it is consistent with the Main building so you're right It would be nice to have it come in at the same time But based on what the applicants indicated to us. I said this is how they could proceed and how we would handle that They won't get building permits until both are approved That's correct. That's what you're saying That's at this point in time now now gentlemen Did you guys I'm assuming that the canopy is going to be coming in at about the same time Do you have any comments with regards to that? construction standpoint What we're presenting here is accurate But as far as the Timing of the canopy It should it should align With with whatever else we need to send in All right with that information I will be grudgingly second that even though there is a red line on it All right, we have a motion in a second any further discussion I would I would imagine you guys would not have any issues with the aspect of the applicant submitting the final drawings with the Specifics that were Addressed and that staff could review those and if there were any issues I could bring those back Is everyone in agreement with that amendment to the motion? Is that sufficiently recorded for the minutes that? Agreement that that does make sense so we are Going to vote on the the motion to approve With the final package of colors and materials coming back to staff for approval So with that if we could go to the roll call, please Joe Clark. Hi older person savaglio Jerry Jones Charlie wig Perfect, I think that gets us our approval so congratulations. Thank you very much for What looks as if it should be a nice building on that part of the superior Is plain Yes, and still yeah, I can come one of the things that I would just kind of For warn you guys is to you may want to take a look at some of the conditions and the staff report for tomorrow the owner Mr. Adakari does have some Miscellaneous items signage and different things that will be discussed at tomorrow's meeting so it may not be a bad idea to Read through that ahead of time because there will be discussion. All right. Thank you very much Any other items from the board to discuss before we adjourn? We could I have one Steve we would well be meeting there are items and we will be meeting and February 22nd Super And if I could get a motion for adjournment And a second and Just a voice call all those in favor aye Any opposed Then we are adjourned thank you very much everyone appreciate your time. Thanks you guys