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I'm not bothered, I don't care, I want to talk about this for an hour, stay come back with a box of orange twill, right, I'm going to put these on and I'm going to buy everything, a new goalie and a new centre backer, stop it, I am, look at that, a box, this man knows, what's it, this man knows the roots of my heart and also the roots of my diabetes, it is right here in this bag, in this box, well done Steve, we might not come back with three points, but we come back with a box of orange twill, I'd rather come back with three points, but yeah, there you go, the highs and the lows are being a never-toning, last week, full of joy, we come in Monday and it's, you know, everyone's buzzing because we've won a game of football and then obviously, this week we get back down to earth with a very, very large bump and then the beer's tasted so much better than I started eating it, it's like, that's grim, grim isn't it, you can't continue to live hands on mouth week by week with results and I mean the reality is we're not doing that because we've, five of the last six weeks we've lost, so, you know, again another Saturday where we've lost, look at Dean loves them own goals on the south coast as well, I told you about the south, I told you about the south coast last week, salt dance in the way last year was the winner, Brighton away the weekend, Evan's last 11 trips to the south coast, three draws eight defeats, guess who we play next away from them, he's got beat nine now, yeah, yeah, there you go, what a time, what a time, I mean they won't have a manager next time, the players, they won't, they've got shit here way twice this week, yeah but we'll just have a manager based on that, you might do, I'm not betting based on a nine in the long run, it's the solution was, that would be the final stone, but back to this one, just so frustrating and disappointing, the thing about it is like, so he picks a team that I think we all, we were all happy with, yeah, you know, we say to him obviously it was gutting that mean, it was mission, but Hulge came in, so say to him we were all thinking right, he's given us what we all want, he didn't make any rash decisions, listen obviously losing Benard so early on was a hammer blow, not just because we lose Benard but then Sigurdsson comes back in and a wall we get to push back out on the left and that's a hammer blow straight away because he's just thinking well things are just going to back to normal and he slows through the middle of the park, and I suppose ultimately it's not really the managers that has lost this game of football, it's a terrible decision by by VAR and how the players responded to that, the manager didn't help things with the substitutions, two out of three of the subs were baffling I would say, but how much, we'll come on to the subs okay, but how much, how much, how much do you put on the manager for Saturday then? Saturday? No but I think it's good to get out the way straight away. Not really to be honest, I think it's difficult, I think you've got a, I think that the silver issue is a, is an issue with a lot of people and I think a lot of people look at it collectively you know overall, I think Saturday in isolation it's one of them things, but finding ourselves talking about isolation more and more when they're all together. I want to be put in isolation. Yeah they're all part of the problem, Saturday I think we'll talk about the subs, the Delft sub baffled me to be honest with you, but I think he picked the team we all wanted, I think, I think for the half an hour after half time we were the dominant team, yeah we looked like it looked like there was only going to be one winner, yeah we didn't, don't get me wrong it wasn't a good game and it wasn't a great performance by Evan by any strategy imagination, but what I mean is we were the team that looked likely to win it, we were the team that were on top I would say, so it's difficult to level it at the manager of the weekend but then what you have to look at is the way the team responded he has to take some blame for that as well, talk a bit more about that, I mean we went behind daily on stage but you know I just, this goal was a it was everything, yeah it was wasn't it, you know Tom Davis had done really really well to take the ball out of the box and he saw the pass he plays he shouldn't be playing really, not in that certain circumstances he should really just be trying to maybe look upfield, get his head up, he tries to knock it into Gomez he hits it straight at him from two yards, it's very similar to the Wolves Newcastle one, you see where they're looking the Wolves player, I don't know how do you see that, so I played it across and he scored, but really he should be he should just be thinking like let's just get up the pitch, breaks to them Gomez ends up putting in a really silly foul where he doesn't need to and we've got plenty of players in the edge of the box, you know he done that same foul against Spares last day of the season flicked out a leg and Erickson scored the free kick from it, it's like unnecessary, the free kick itself is number one Pickford put a hole in as well which I can't understand why he's doing that I don't know whether it's, I genuinely don't know whether it's because he can't see because he's not tall enough, genuinely but he's asked for a hole because I'd love to know how many goalkeepers have conceded more free kicks in the last two seasons directly than he has because it's a massive weakness, a massive weakness on his path and so he's got this hole, the player hits it right through, so he can see the ball all the way and I first, you know we've done before with me, I first it looks like wow what a strike, unbelievable, but when you watch it again, slow motion goes in the middle of the goal, honest to God if he just if he done that if he done that he would have saved it, if he done that he would have saved it and again it's another position now where you're scratching your head and going a player who we had so much fighting and thought oh we've got a good one here, it's falling to bits. He is a good goalie, there's confidence or or there's decision making at the moment's cloud that it's not he's not doing what he should be doing, I think potentially we know he's a very good goalie, for me he's one of the top goalies but, but he can't keep making mistakes and after I claim so you know he's made a hole in the wall for whatever reason, I have the belief that if a shot goes through the goalie's hands, it's the goalie's because that's what you're there for so like you said if he's gone with his fist the power on that it's taking it away no matter what just his position as well it's just like he goes to time he thinks I think he's going to go over the wall until he takes that step again he takes the step and then his body shape is just completely and then the ball just goes right through him and he's like it's anticipation lad in reaction yeah now so I don't he baffles me or he does when you think like last week he made that save into West Ham you think it could be a turn and put save and the week after he goes and does something about that his performance is sum up our performance is really at the moment just it's just like he started the season yeah he gave the other guy gave Palace a ride because that big save against Woff for their own from Dini yeah I thought of Villa Wesley's goal I thought he should have done better he reacted slowly Algarz he did not know what he could do really about that and then he went away with England and he come back and then ball missed away for the yeah for the second and third goal yeah particularly the third goal was shocking the one against chef United he doesn't do anything for the corner whether people argued it was a foul but he's got to be stronger than that free kick against City so each week you go and then what about that one and what about that one and you know barely couldn't really do nothing about barely in all fairness but Saturday he's just thinking he's gotta be but he is better than that that's what it is he's better than that if he was an average goalie in my opinion you just have to go all right we know he helps himself at times he goes the way he acts as well I think that's probably a lot of effort did he act up Saturday though I don't think no no I'm not about Saturday but I think people go back to that yeah that's the problem of pick for people go back to it is it can come across quite arrogant and like he's I think that's just I wonder if it's it's like a confidence thing that though so he acts over do you see any of the other top goalies doing that though no but that might be a dimension of that I don't think he's got any focus I don't think he's got focus I really don't I watch him I watch him and I don't think he's focused I don't think he's concentrating on the things he should be concentrating on and I would absolutely love Southgate to drop him I really would I really wish he was an England number one because I think that's what gives him his provider which he doesn't deserve the world cup was probably the worst thing that happened to him honestly it probably was you see him I seen a clip of him last week at the boxing in Newcastle now he's got every right to be there but I just look on him I just think you just you just everything you do just sends out the wrong message to a fan and it's like last season at Newcastle when he's walking off cocky and all that I'm not saying he didn't do that on Saturday you know but I just think he lacks focus I don't listen of course we don't see him in the training ground and he could be working his bollocks off every day to be better sure he is but when I watch him I see you do things like that I just don't think he's concentrating on the things he should be concentrating on how you can't be because out if a ball goes through his arms he obviously isn't thinking of he's thinking of what's going to happen rather than what is happening the ball gets smashed through that year as a goal keeping surely reaction is to just get as make yourself as big as you can to get it away and that to me was just like like that honestly was it like it was just a weird thing it was well if I don't get me wrong gross it well but but even that don't put the hole in the middle of the wall put a hole in the what are you putting the hole in the wall for well maybe I think some what you're saying is what you're saying is hit this ball through this wall and I'm going to save it and he doesn't so why don't you just trust and this is another issue he doesn't trust walls either he doesn't trust his defenders he doesn't instead of just saying get but part of being a good goalkeeper is making a wall and saying like I know what this guy's going to do he's going to try and smash it right he's going to try and smash it get as big a wall as you can then get Gomez in the place where you think he's going to win it or whoever the tallest player on the pitch is to make sure you he's there and don't let him it today he doesn't trust walls he thinks he can save everything and I think he needs to be taken down a peg and that's why I'd take him out the team though do you think the defense trust them no but I don't think he's I don't think I'm saying it as a collective that's him that's where the issue is the centre back is an issue I think I just think we've got obviously Michael Keynes struggling a bit there was a different centre back partnership with the weekend don't have the keepers playing particularly but I think there's a there's a lot of question marks at the moment in the team and a lot of it comes down to mentality I think I don't think ability wise I've said it before watched Evan and teams with far less ability than this team far less ability who have been much better than this team I look at teams higher up the league and think Evan have got much more natural ability than them after he got anywhere near their resilience no no whatsoever and that's no good that you can't it doesn't matter how good your players are how skillfully your players are what they're like when they turn up turned up against Westam brilliant you look at them against Westam people can go Westam look well 80 you could say that about 18 teams and Evan the one of them that the crap so you can tap that for me that I can go up the window against Westam you showed what level he can play and that level is top six but then at the weekend he going it wasn't don't get me wrong Saturday wasn't horrific because we've played much worse than I believe it or not and that when they play at that level you worry about but mentality wise there's no strength no it's people making the wrong decisions what what's Gomez doing what what's he hoping to do by flicking a photo he's taking the lad down giving them a danger the situation let let it play out it was three lads in front of him you know if he squeezes through then that's the defenders fault you do that then Pickford leads a hole in his one it goes in yeah the minute I sent him a field there is tackling towards his goal you're in trouble you know you're already in trouble played away your face and let someone come out and let the centre back or come and engage for me it was just such a poor thing like that though things like that free kicker just a microcosm like you're saying it's shouldn't matter who's in the what it shouldn't matter who you've got available as a goalkeeper you should be able to go right from that position I know I need a wall there and then I guard this if you bend it into the top corner said this loads of times then he's done it you know what I've seen Pepe do tonight in Europa League for the last time bending two minutes bend one top corner went one oh people couldn't do anything nothing and you stand back and go amazing if you've got the technique but when you when you haven't got the when you haven't got the the trust or you can't set up a wall that you think that wall is going to do after my job for me and I look after the other half to invite a shot because you're to invite a shock because you're worried that if he bends it over the wall you're like that's that's to me he done the same thing that's to me that's to me it's bollocks that's to me it's absolutely bollocks and I'd get him out the team now I'm not interested what his level is I'd get him out the team because he's not doing if he was if I've right back or I sent a back or I sent a forward we'd all be screaming for it get him out the team and take him down a peg because he's not doing what he's supposed to do and it's and it's the same with with with other there's other players on the team we've got a squad there for a reason we bought a new got some goalkeeper in the summer who's got Premier League experience give him a go get and let's see what happens with him because I can't have picked for the moment I just can't I can't have this attitude that he's that he's got a bar himself and I'm starting to see now what I think other people seeing from other clubs because it's it's all this I'm this and I'm that you're not you're not if you do it every week and you prove to me you can do it and that's great but you're not you're not a kid anymore so I'd get him out the side now and the thing is with the two the two goals like the Maras one against City and then that one yes on Saturday he's actually positional on the side the goals have actually gone in so it's not like he's having to scramble no he's the Maras one he's on the side of the Maras ones it goes underneath his hands and then the one that goes straight out I'm gonna go through his hands I like I said then I just think I feel like sometimes you think he's playing like a computer game or something his head just like it's like he's like I wouldn't like to be in his head because I feel like there's about a thousand things going on his head when it should be the game that's it I mean that's difficult it's difficult to prove obviously no I know he got to say no and so he's talking nonsense you can't even tell what a player's feeling and I don't think and listen he made a mistake at the weekend other than that I think he wasn't a falter anything else and he punched one back in later on which he should have dealt with better as well but again you're looking over a period of time now and yeah it's not it's not the one game at the weekend he just isn't playing well at the moment it happens for him it's like that isn't it that's the way it is but I think like Peter bringing him back down to that level because even though again going back to that man City he's laughing laughing when he's being an idiot I can't I can't have him I can't have that attitude and that's where it comes back so that there's no one in the team who can actually go to him and say get back in your goal get back in your goal what are you doing half way out there it wouldn't happen in any other top team I'm sorry well we got back into the game we've got to set we've got we've reacted all well to that we've got back in the game obviously we've set piece of charts and got a touch but ultimately to come off the defender one one so you've got to come way together as an own goal because you've got to flap on a bar and go and I think that's an own goal and go and I think that's an own goal you're just like all right and then you know we go in pity even then come out second half well cut should have done better but first time confidence that again is it first time and then come up second half we've dominated the game we've dominated we've got and this is what this is what annoyed me if we'd second half it was nip and tuck wet range coming down and then we started to get a grip at the game we really did I thought Tom Davis was was was starting to have a real impact he was making blocks he was getting the ball going forward you know when we had a little we didn't really create anything but we were getting on top you know he makes the subs leads us to go to get the goal great run by meekson hoagie we're going to stop on a moment and don first time finish lovely great little bit of movement and again one of the only times I've seen a ball fed into the channel and don't go on to it and it's a lovely little finish and at that point that this is what you're looking for now as a fan is there's 13 minutes to go or 14 minutes to go can you as a can you ride this out now can you take this can you stand up to what's coming now and suck up the pressure and then go and hit them on the counter attack with the plays you've got on the pitch and the answer is no partly down to one of the maddest decisions I've ever seen in my life and then down to again going back to mental strength you know I mean let's let's just talk about let's just talk about the VAR for a moment because it's it's baffling isn't it it really is I mean when you look at it and the referee's seeing it he's not look he's not giving anything and players are always walking away and then for the old finger to the ear and it's to be you know I honestly can't believe they gave it I'm still amazed now I just it's yeah it's mad this is the thing my brother even said that's in the last three in the last in the last week we've seen started with we spoke about this last week on um we were doing the Premier League show so Chris Woods got like a choked off against Leicester the one on a Regie which was which which was the right decision and this one which was the wrong decision and what it is in all three instances it's coming together three players coming to three instance of two players coming together where there is contact but that doesn't mean it's a foul it doesn't mean it's a foul in this contact you know a foul is not necessarily contact it's it's the initiation of the foul of a foul and in this it's a player just looking at the ball to your players and the player himself it comes from their reaction how they react to it you know we're trying to get rid of diving in the game this to me is the same thing it's reacting something that's not there I played footy last week I got stood on I didn't react to it by jumping up in the air I reacted going down to me foot where the pain was you react to the pain you don't jump up in the air same thing happened with Johnny Evans when he feels the contact oh he pulled himself a Regie flying over it's nonsense it's an absolute nonsense and obviously you've seen the clip of Andy Gray and and and Richard Keyes makes a great point about about these things it's he says I call it VR yeah because it's that you know they're now the referee they're not assisting the referees they are now the referee and in decisions like this and when we listen we've spoke loads of times we spoke last year about saying what don't get me wrong what we want is if someone sees a foul he goes that was a foul like you know Sam is there a foul yeah like the lines but in a case like this where the ref has not even not even he's seen it he's not even interested this is where that screen on the side needs to be used so that he goes I might be in a file you know do you think all right you know what I go and check it we'll cut then I'm covering both of our arses aren't I and I'm giving the decision and the ref walks over looks at the screen and says and then the ref looks at it you know if the ref looks at it goes yeah that was a foul and I said exactly same thing with me last week he's checking his own mind he's not giving it to someone else he's checking his own mind and going actually that I missed that I didn't realize I didn't see that there's room for both in the game there's room for the fella to say that was a foul you missed that foul like last week with the foul on Sidary yeah but that one there that I should he should be I'll go and check that myself no definitely and it's just mad that this weekend we started seeing decisions overturned like someone's made the conscious decision lads we better start overturning a few years ago last week no absolutely no they'd had a meeting last Monday that was some set up but they'd had a meeting last Monday about they had to start overturning decisions Mike Riley said so they've done it this weekend it was like I was watching the I was watching the rugby on saturday and obviously all the the referee communicates with the actual you can hear it and you can hear it I said I was saying before it's it's actually I don't know much about rugby but actually educate you on the game and you actually realize what so we get the guy and the guy who's sitting over there goes to the referee he goes watch your opinion yeah and then he'll go watch your opinion and they'll both they'll both look at and the referee's looking up at the screen at the same time as he's going he's going yeah I can see contact there and but if it feels like that there's no there's just no communication what they're doing is when you do that on rugby is they they're saying they're asking the assistant referee if he can see anything that he didn't see yeah and then then coming to coming to but they're both looking at at the same time yeah but they're both looking at it at the same time they're both and everyone in the stadium can see it and everyone at home can see it and you can hear and see what's being debated where is some football never gonna happen it's just this magic thing of yeah and you see in the Arsenal yesterday they have a gold dislike for actually nothing and nobody in the crowd knew what was going on because it's a secret society again and the problem is and this is the other problem is no one in this country is willing to talk about it in the in the jail the jailers are not willing to have a debate about it so you know they did it on maternity two mentioning the Arsenal one yeah and they mentioned and it is just this thing they said on matter of the day this is this thing of oh that VAR and it's not like we need to get this sorted there's no one there's no one saying we need to have a look at this again not get rid of VAR but we need to look at how we implement it and who's implementing it like I don't know for me like you just said that Lee Mason's doing it why is Lee Mason doing it you know what you could go to the job centre and train up 12 people right you could go couldn't you and go your job is to is a book of rules is your it's your job or get 12x players in and train them up no but that's the point isn't it was it though when you look at it back it looks like but it's not but I know what you're saying but it's contact it's not a foul I've only seen one person say it was a foul I've seen two the player obviously the players say today it was a penalty right and even that's a referee on Sky he said the challenge someone wasn't yeah and that was Glenn Murray Glenn Murray plays for Brighton even though it wasn't that's the problem with the game problem with the game is this is the problem with the game is that there was one yesterday in the Newcastle game the lad has got older than shit like like me this last week me the lad had all the meanness here the lads got all them lads here pulling them and pulling them and pulling and that's not a foul that's a foul the Charleston has got hold of and what the Charleston does is he throws himself to the ground to show the referee that something is going on right so they might say they might say that's not a natural fall the lad when Michael Keane stands on that lad's foot is that a natural fall he jumps up in the air you do not jump that's what happens in cartoons my thing my argument for Michael Keane would be if you look at it one way then you would say there's contact he stood on his foot no I appreciate that penalty if you look at it the other way which should be the only way you look at it the both looking at the ball you're both absolutely looking at the ball as he got a chance to even get the ball well now both the both looking at the ball so it's not like Michael Keane if Michael Keane looks at him and stands on him it's a penalty well look at this way right look at this way think about this way right so if you've got two players and there's a ball in the air and they both run into each other right is that a foul because you could say well this what this guy was going more faster this way than this guy was is that a far or is that a shoulder bar just to come in together Michael Keane does stand on his foot he's no argument to that but he does what what advantage does he think he's getting it's coming together in it and it's exactly as I said about the Evans one last week the wood the ball's going in there is contact and then Evans throws himself to the ground it's what Rigi did the Rigi did the same thing Rigi throws and then holds the other leg and then so we should feel sympathy for them that's a dive as far as I'm concerned there is contact of course there's contact but it's not a foul it's contact because it's not it's not a non-contact my issue is when they look at so they've looked allegedly slow it down but allegedly they've looked at the ritual or someone at the time allegedly and said that wasn't a penalty now if you've got your arms round the lad it's a penalty the route if that's outside the box it's a free kick you can't go well it's not a foul in the box it is then they had to look at the Brighton one 15 times before they agreed it was a what about the Man City one on Saturday so the Man City one this is where it's hilarious the whole thing's hilarious if you want to talk about whether via so the Man City one they couldn't definitively decide right whether something had happened so they give the goal right so then this independent panel two hours after the game said David Silver touched it so it's David Silver's goal therefore he was off side so therefore the goal should never have stuck so what what is going on what is going on when we've got one independent panel an independent panel giving goals and taking goals of people and then another set it's it's it's just this is where people have just completely seen someone saying if they're sucking the air out the game well they are because it just fans are just getting sick of it fans are just going to get sick of it because we're seeing stuff every matter of day two last night yeah he was he was like in the end he just went oh there was two big decisions but this thing's sucking the life out of me now and that's that's the problem now is that the media will just be go but we'll just become barzee about it we're really and we I think I can't remember what show we did a show we didn't want to go on to look at the telly but maybe what they should have done is said that's how we'll start and actually we'll educate the fans so that this is how it starts but then we'll use the telly less and less and less and it'll only be for this these big moments where we want their referee to decide whether it was into you know it was to clarify in his own head and what we've done is we've allowed it to go on it's not being funny the next set of Premier League games are going to be played in November and nobody's looked at a screen yet that is absolutely farcical farcical that's not one of them so that means that they're under instructions and this week they were under instructions to change their minds so straight away what does that say to you that says that the whole thing is nonsense that the whole thing is rigged because if someone says if someone has said I think we need to start making decisions then therefore they're looking for decisions to change and it's no coincidence that we've seen we've seen three over the weekend as was the first and then there's I think there's two yes no no and that's not a coincidence and that tells you the whole thing's rigged well said it's rigged and it's just it's a billion pound industry if you think that it's not rigged you are the most naive person in the world it there was an article you're a day about student more again with shitty it can't happen again so the next team's just giving 14 offside goals that way to keep the race tight different that it's all rigged even with the ritualism one as well it wasn't just the ritualism felt they're don't push push the cane in the back and Davis was getting dragged out on the line right but I've seen it last week with and it's not to prove it's not just Evan chef United he's the Arsenal the other night yeah there was a foul at nil nil on secret it's like the whole thing is getting completely like what I've seen before about you could get like 15 people and saying them up you could because there wouldn't be any difference if you told somebody the rules right and showed them a TV it's like it would be like playing FIFA if you know the rules then you would then you play it like it's a game you don't need some referee who interprets things because he's been a referee for 20 years don't need that you could take a video a video referee from rugby and go these are the rules we're going to train you up over six months implement them or you could take an ex-player and then at least the next player could go it's not a foul that's that one of my cocaine is not a foul because because they're both looking at the ball but referees don't look at things like that and that's what that's the problem it's the same problem they've had on the pitch for the last 20 years they don't understand the game they don't understand that if someone's got their arms wrapped around someone in the box they can't move so therefore it's a foul and they don't understand that if two people go for the same ball and one of them comes out the way it's like if me and Bas went for the 50-50 I'm gonna win I'm 16 at our stone I'm gonna win he's gonna fall over is that a foul no because I'm fat bastard that's all it comes down to but that's that's that's what happens in football though is that you see challenges and one pick and every did now think every single thing is a foul and it's not they're just coming together that's all it is that and that's what football is always we had for a while we sort of wrote that line of understanding what that was to show the badge or it's this or it's that it's a 50-50 breath we but there's now there doesn't seem to be a there's no 50-50s there's a has to be a foul there has to be a win I seen Fernandino get sent off on Saturday and he didn't touch the lad he was running behind him and the lad fell over because they'd been contact where the lad had caught Fernandino Fernandino gets a yellow card and it's not it's not a foul the rest don't understand anymore and they're because it's now entertainment we are it's like they're obliged to make a decision that there doesn't need to be decisions made we're in the old days a referee would get both players together it's this thing as well of where players are pushing each other and you yellow cards like why do you need to give him yellow card and me yellow card tell them to be yourself and if you do it again i'll give you both a red card you have to give you yellow card the whole common sense has gone out the window and I I and I thought VAR would bring in common sense I thought I thought I thought especially after the World Cup because it was actually used alright at the World Cup as well every other country and then every other country because before the World Cup I was like nah enough mate what's the World Cup I was like you know what brilliant well I just thought what they do is I thought they name and shame these things I stupidly thought that as well I thought there's no way they'll be able to do it because they know they're on but now it just seems they name and shame it and they just go oh well carry on and you look and start going well and go on how can you get it so wrong if that's a push in the box or a grab in the box if you're sat with the referee how can he possibly how could they in the Galaga say that isn't a foul on the Chalice and how how can you sit there and like because referees if there's a why in the friggin day of the week the lion that's what they are but the only country that doesn't use it properly because because again no I've watched Italian football they use it brilliantly because Steve what we've done is we've done the same thing we always do with the Premier League yeah it's the reason why they've got a the new fellow runs it is a marketing director yeah we've act we've gone for the entertainment value and not for the rules they said this on day one we encourage them not to look at the screen because it slows the game down you know why they don't want the game to be slowed down because they don't want the next live game to be affected by it they don't want the adverts at the end of the of the show affected by it oh this game might have an extra six minutes on oh you know what that means those adverts might be affected if they're looking at the money side of things instead of looking at the actual game because what what would have happened if they'd done it properly and gone by the letter the law yes maybe we would have seen games going on for five six seven minutes longer but you know what over time we would have gone as like everything that time would have come down as we've become more effective but we would have got the right the right instructions and the right results and now we've got to go back to the start and it's no one trusts it but the other thing about it is though we're seeing games going on for longer there's more than three times in any six minutes the other thing about it is though it's this is the worst thing about it it's just it's the old boys club again it's the same rest protecting the same rest and then now like you said before like you just said before why aren't they getting called up so so apparently on the one we can see that he said well something happened to david silver yeah but he said the david silver one was wrong against former so we have to make a point so we've got to take the blame for that because they so why isn't the guy who got it wrong why didn't you get last then why didn't you get last why didn't they say to him like for six weeks you can't live in the primary and therefore your money who gets who gets the problem with that us again like like we asked who gets who gets the brunt of it we do instead of the rest getting no but instead of the ref who actually missed that getting punished all that ref haven't come out at the end of the game and this is the other thing so they get down the gallery going on a saturday monday morning they're like and does anyone go you're you're totally apparently steaming the water it's quite good actually one I have seen one of laughed in the face of the woman as well but one off but two smith one actually is normally quite good at going and that's what we need we need more people literally pointing out and and going you're you're absolutely you're talking nonsense because they won't of course you'll protect you'll protect his mate he'll put the fella who runs it probably is one of his best mates why wouldn't it be and this is the problem this is part of the panel i think gallery any that's probably why they're all protecting themselves and what it's doing is it's just it's just having it's always that's what it is that you're just having the same people protecting the same people protecting the same they're all protecting their own jobs and that's why an independent panel it's like the it's like the arsenal against part of me now start this house they've said rob hall or chambers whether it was chambers as far as three men kicking him he got pushed to the ground he might got it he might got it right last night when he somewhat this is not what's funny is you look at this is ha one like yes they as well which was absolutely spot on from via a and he said you but he said but look at it though he said so how goes down on the box and i i could tell what he was what he was hinting at so how goes down on the box and it's a dive and stays away yellow card and via comes along goes what a penalty it's it he said that's the culture of he said number one you've got a referee who can't wait to pull the yellow card out where it's really what he should be doing he's going blown a whistle and going i've got one decision i've got a decision to make it's either a dive or it's a pen and yet he looks like a tit now it's but that's where the air works but not you don't drag a yellow card you don't need to have the yellow card if they look and go he dived all of the day barely Chelsea the weekend i do i got the penalty he went to via realize he dived than he booked yeah well that's exactly what it should be but that's what it's he done it properly because it does work when people go via doesn't work right via is just showing you what's happened yeah it's not via that doesn't work the people interpret me don't know how to use it and that's the issue my issue with it is it isn't the fact that he gave Connolly the penalty it's the fact that he didn't give the child or someone they've won that either both penalties so both penalties or the neither of the penalties you can't justify either one it's just but the whole like you say the whole thing baffles me is that you get incidents incidents like that with in the arsenal game where a player is booked for diving and he's clearly not and then you get where it's used properly and then and then you get this is the other thing it's like and it was like eyes where you can slow something down as much as you want and if you slow something down of course it's gonna look normal tackle looks bad when you slow it down when you've won the ball yeah exactly it was like what did you think it what did you think it the better i'm on the other night it was it looked it looked really really bad i don't i don't think it was a wreck yeah i thought that was handy scott i thought that was the one double punishment when i look when you look at it in slow motion it looks it looks it looks miss time tackle it looks really bad the lad's alright and he carry on and carry on and carry on and score and for me that should have just been a yellow card i thought that was a long staff yesterday as well i didn't see a long staff well i didn't think it was a red card he hasn't done the player he just missed time to tackle yeah and you will miss time tackles because you're sliding in the game so fast mad well that's all that sucked him four minutes to realize if he dived that was that was a scratch now the one yes to realize if you dived or you hadn't that's a disgrace though that's that's that's that's that's the mad thing about the game at the moment is that these people are making these decisions and i just like i got back to me in the last week no one still can understand why that goal was this allowed and yeah he'd already blown the whistle we've seen the villa one down a palace where he blows the whistle it's like there's incidents in the game where you can allow you go i'll just let the air have a look at that that's fine and then there's but use your own judgment and walk over to that screen and go have a look at it again yeah anyway um the delft just on the subs because we scored three minutes after the subs made i just want to clarify something because i'd put on twitter on saturday night after the game i don't understand the delft substitution and people are like yeah but we scored it's not me saying delft isn't a good player because delft is a good player but i didn't understand why at one one when we had them pinned back why he would change the formation if you want she had a like i personally would have left well cut on even though i don't think he was playing very well he was stopping damn being from getting up the pitch what he did was he took well cut off and it won't be off and he put a striker on which was right and don't want to call the loom no issue with that but then he put delft he allowed their full backs then but he put delft on then he moved sigaton out of the left and tom davish went and and pression in the front so well it wasn't just the pace the shape went so we almost like every what we were lopsided i don't understand why he's brought sigaton on because straight away who would you have put on there though delft put one of the forwards on oh no i would have left i had to put keenum think about it logically right you've set a team up with a wobby to play through the middle right and you've got a winger like benad he's playing as a left forward and then you bring sigaton on and move the thing that that way you're going against your own game plan yeah do you know what i mean so doesn't that make you think though that he actually is quite limited in and how he thinks about the game see for me there i'm thinking get to all my front and get with charles and wad that's to me is the natural sub you're replacing a winger for it with a winger and everything else says to say what you've done there is change two people's positions you shouldn't be doing that so that's what he did with the delft sub exactly for me if delft's coming on it should have been golmes going off he was crap golmes he would add a stinker so what you're saying in that move there is you're saying right it's it's it's one one i'm gonna bring golmes i'm gonna bring delft on who is a like for like for golmes but but can also do naughty stuff the dirty stuff and i'm going to bring a forward on and be a little bit more attacking yeah but he to take off to your four centimetre field is running through you know it was weird it was just like when they scored a win in gold it golmes is trying to chase this lab back with that would have been woke up that would have been at least woke up chasing him back well we were lost right that's why there was a big gap on that i should have been but anyway with one one like you say we scored a great goal whole gate yeah don't shoot paid stepped over a brilliant knee car and i thought making all gates had a good game it was a lovely little round of corner great run by dom and a great finish out of his feet bang bottom corner it's so easy one of the really nice and you know i criticize dom at times because for me doesn't make them run this but we don't give them the opposite and this is where i annoys me when people question moise keen as well because we haven't given them type of passes either they strike us that one in the head of them you know we're all we've got forward through with the saying it we're unwilling and the last couple of weeks we've seen welcott ran a corner to bennard scored welcott a woe we ran a corner to tialis in the post last week this week we've seen whole gate do it and we've got calvert looing him for the goal it's telling you to mix the way we play up but we get in front and you write this fifth 16 minutes ago and you're thinking all right we've come from behind got level we're in front now big 16 minutes now keep doing what you're doing but because you've mixed the team up people were out of position so it didn't play out the same way they were always gonna they were always gonna come on to us but they didn't really have anything to come on to us with because the game plan the game plan had missed he put glen murray on the bro eh troshard on he gave them a bit of an outlet but he gave them a bit more of an outlet because we're taking off that area of the pitch where well i take the promise as well is by taking walcott off and we'd say that we've been so attacking there was no cover there was no cover so you know so you've got to you've got to get the message over there to don't go forward now because maybe lopside could make me the targets that's why i mean for me the last 10 minutes is a disgrace mostly they're going into injury time because the players just stopped i mean i've seen players afterwards going completely rattled by that by that penalty you shouldn't be rattled by it it's only two two it's two two and there's a game to win the 15 minutes ago when the permanent and now what that should do in my opinion is it should it should fire you up to go you cheating we're gonna win this game now and we should have gone we should have gone at them again but because he'd lopsided the team went and then Michael Michael Keynes had went as well didn't he he started let's talk about sorry let's just do a hoagie for a minute because i thought he had i thought he played quite well there we go 50 touches one assist 40 successful passes 19 forward successful passes which is which is excellent because that's what you want to see me is the ball player in 93 percent pass accuracy again it's very good five ball recoveries three clearances three files committed two successful tackles one aerial duel obviously the caption is is he ready i would say yes at the moment i'm looking at i'm looking at a fella who i defended last season i thought he was excellent last season in Michael Keynes first season we know his struggles last season i thought he was excellent this season i think he's been poor and i have to say that first couple of games come back made a mistake away with england and as in my opinion hasn't recovered from it and he's a confidence player michael you can tell i think listen the most telling thing about michael keynes he doesn't have the handband and never has had the handband and it's been passed down from pillar to post and for me if i was looking at someone who would you go right well who would you out like england international you spoke about him being captain and all and he's never ever wanted that and i think that tells you everything about whether he wants it whether anyone thinks he can handle it i think he's i would just go well we're gonna talk more about my cooking a minute but i'm on mason hog it i'd have mason hog it in the side now i'd have him alongside me you know when he's fit i think did compliment each other he's pricey i think this lad it's now or never he's just turned 23 i think he's got what he has over michael keynes i think this lad is an inside um belief in himself that he's good enough sometimes maybe that goes against him and maybe i'm contradicting myself a little bit and one i said about pickford before a little bit but 20 at 23 i think it's almost that um john stone syndrome is you're gonna have to allow him to make a few mistakes on the pitch um again maybe that's what jordan pickford's doing but i i think i've seen i've seen okay i i was a little bit worried coming into this game he's the third truce centre back and i was a little bit worried but what i would say is i've seen enough of meaner this season to suggest that meaner is the natural leader back there and is what exactly why we bought him he's done a moment and i think what worked last season the pivot of it was was actually zoom it because he was there he was the he was the pace the pace he was he allowed us to get up the pitch when we needed to and i think in holgate that's what we've got he's still he's got plenty to lean loads the lane he's not always switched on he doesn't always respond well to things that like he gets caught sometimes like a rabbit in the headlights but i think playing next to meaner i think that would help him loads and i think it don't meaner as well i think it helped the team having a bit of pace i think sat there was a perfect game for him as well because they're not like they were last season not like extra physical he tried to play a bit more football that's what i was going to say that's why maybe and he was up against malpite he was quick and bright and didn't really do nothing i think centre fours are becoming a bit less more physical these days like you had your small move and then he got bullied a bit against certain teams last season but i think um like you said what's to mean sheffield wednesday with meaner and i thought they did complement each other really well and i remember obviously when he played centre back with ashley williams not saying meaner and ashley williams no no but that was almost successful but one was a bit stopper but when he played with like keen or jaggy he didn't really look as good then but i think with me you know i think again it's time to take michael keen out the fire in line a bit maybe take him off until he does make a mistake but i just think like pet and said then to now or never for holgate you've got to give the lad a chance it can't be any worse than what we're doing at the moment you know what i mean at the back well we've been screaming out for pitch haven't we've we've all been saying you know keen and meaner or like the sound that's stopping but the but michael keen has to play at the very best of his ability to to be good because at the moment his head's gone so he's not he's making mistakes i mean he's all over the place at the weekend absolutely all over the place and it's no good because that then creates uncertainty with the goalkeeper uncertainty with players around you holgate we've said that before you just mentioned that then when he plays the best partnership under all adage was him and williams and he you know and failed two big games against their front three and he was you know he's got got the confidence as well and okay he does make mistakes not saying that but the other side to him as well anyway leaves a few leaf but on saturday those files you know he done them in positions where we were under a bit of a prep like he took someone out on the halfway line and if he'd got rounding they would have been in so for that that's good game management for the 23 year old as well thinks doesn't play does he he does yeah and that's the thing he doesn't play and if i was him i'd be sitting there and i i think the only problem is is that for him is that we're gonna go we're gonna go into a spell now we're gonna play against a lot of top teams which means they're gonna have a lot of top psykers um but the alternative to me is is well put it this way i wouldn't be that asked if every player who kumin bought wasn't at the club anymore i seriously wouldn't i just think with holgate as well it it michael king's not playing well enough to stay in the team so why don't you give someone else a go you can't just leave someone in because you go well he's you know he's probably better than him if he's if he's struggling he's gonna want to take the ball by the horns holgate he's gonna want to you know get a run of games going isn't he he come on against for the last minute against west he's played on saturday the second goal i don't you know showed for us the way he stepped out the way he wanted but he put slip slipped him in between the space and he went into it and he's you know for a 23 year old it takes a lot of confidence to do that you know you might you might just think well i'll just i'll just give this off to someone no we don't like i'll have a run i've got the pace and it's i don't remember what he signed them and that's the next year a lot of people we was like this lad looks like he's got the talent of john stones yeah and we're also got also the fin and it hasn't gone it hasn't gone right brilliant for him because i just don't think he's being given a chance though but i think when he's had the chance here he's always had that little mistake in him but i think now young chance about this well he will won't be in that but that's the problem it's like and that's the problem with now it's like will the manager look at and go well i've got michael keen who who's an international ba ba ba and he's a young is that what i need but it's a bit but when you like to talk about ice came in and thought well that's the perfect pain i've got a bit of pace i've got a scrapper and and they worked well together and you've got to look for what worked in the past and what worked in the past was someone at the back with pace and and a stopper and him and me and would have those so he's only going to improve by playing games isn't he i definitely give him give him a run definitely you know we went beyond the third goal as well we just get see the beast pressing on the edge of their box why it's on mark on silver side i think isn't it wasn't it on that side so why aren't we giving instructions for one of our midfielders to sit in or to come across and we don't we they break michael keen watching our midfield we've watched that again now before as they're breaking and that's rosa it's got the ball michael keen motions to go towards him and then steps back and run and gets pushed towards his own pen it doesn't sense the danger but well he just allows the latter run into the space if he goes and closes the ball and the lad skips random fairy nothing he doesn't see take him out and steps away and he's in that's what you do just that's the problem though it's a general problem in football all over there's none of plays you do that none of plays you go there's all this there's all this from it you've got to be rich just suck the lad out no no i mean that's that's a different circle that's five what i'm saying what i'm saying is yeah what i'm saying is the football has now get trained to back off and back off and back off and not touch anyone and what what i'm saying like if someone has run actually towards him there number one if he's that good a player you say well beat me then beat me although there had been one in the game where keen had been completely done over by him yeah but if he runs out and presses the ball he might force him wide oh forcing him wide and then you've got a chance for your other play to get round he didn't he goes and then backs away and then the lad just attacks the space puts a ball across and obviously look at being well he's sliding in he's like if he leaves it Glenmore he's behind him in school so it's neither he you know there it all out of the red the love giving me the best left back in the world scored an own goal and all that but it was just poor and but you know what were you surprised so i wasn't and that's that's the biggest indicator i think the biggest indicator when that went in i just went just comes back to what we said before though and there's no leadership on the pitch at two or there's no leadership though in that move yeah to say to someone to say i'll stick back on this we're not going to commit every player forward they had at one point there's a still and it's like five on three we were ragged we had that if you actually take the goal back to where it comes from we're on the attack gilfy's sighing to nazi in on the edge of their box and there's 10 yards for them to run into and he just doesn't look and throws a blind crossing with his left foot for no reason because he had more time to get his head up the keeper catches it and bowls you're out and they catch us now if he takes a bit of time on the ball okay and looks up he's got so much ability he could put a tremendous ball in or buy himself half a yard and hit it like we know we can but why is it but he just tosses one into the box and we're committed but even people like delphi if delphi's up there he sees why isn't he shifting over if he sees like the right back why isn't he going right i better get back to the right back then i better go now him and davis just stayed in the same spot didn't he in the middle much blame on both of them but one you've got to take these ones of builders and this is again with the man and yeah it's easy to to point the finger at silver and gold bar or whatever and they sub did it's sub messed our shape up so i get everyone blaming them for that fair play and i i just like i said before if you're bringing delphi on it's for Gomez because it's not the first time i tap i know that's the problem though it's a commu it's a it's a it's a cumulative cumulative of six the feet six the feet now that's the highest number of the feet after ten games well let's have a look then you've got to go back to 2011 2012 since we'd lost six games in the opening in the opening ten games really i mean finish seven the month live but like yeah and we've got to win a three cup semi-final but that's because we had a great second half of the season and to be honest having only three wins at this time of year isn't isn't massively strange most if you go back over the last few seasons Martin is the second and third season i think he got i think he didn't get his third win in his second season till inside november and in his in his second season i think the tenth game we got his third win and in his third season i don't think we got our third win till november it's mad when you look back at all the bad things we start we start Paulie kumin seconds kumin second season when he got sacked uh he didn't have six the feet by now he only had five when he got sacked but obviously with the europe league um yeah we lost two out of three but you've got to go back you've got to go back to the season when we signed when we had well when we signed Strachwell a c then into there and we had veliot playing in front of us at the beginning of the season that and i said they got sold that's so that's how far you have to go back but in terms of winning wins only having three wins after ten games is not a matter of thing easy drone allowed well we had we haven't had that hard start have we i know that's the problem i mean to be fair every premier league games difficult of course there is but it could have been so much more difficult to start than it's be a look at on paper that's my worry we've had those games there where we even if you drew a couple of them but now if we draw on saturday yeah that's what i mean we've got a point in adversity because of the bar two so don't lose just don't lose the game we all come off and go yeah what a discreet blah blah blah that takes the heat off off the manager it's right away but because we just fought a bit like we did at the end then it all goes back on the manager in the place and v ar is just a byproduct of it it's a side yeah exactly where that should have been that should have been the two fucking everyone's against us come on let's roll out these up next game blah blah blah it's not it's that last five five ten minutes where it's just stupid mistake we're somewhere on the page ask the goal why have we got six players up front and and four sentiment field really will do that but it's too late then it's at that time we've lost i mean we've lost 60 percent of our games this year we've conceded 57 percent of our golden in the last 20 minutes though and that's that's an issue that's the problem that's an issue this is obviously the heat back on the manager there's his premier league record as ever man's a 48 games played 19 wins 10 draws 19 defeats just under 40 percent well 39 and a half percent win ratio um i mean it's hard like i say saturday i i don't really i can't label them as it was all his fault that we lost the game the problem you've got is there's no belief at the moment i don't think from anywhere that we're gonna go on any kind of run it feels like we'll win win again and then lose again we're a one and three team at best and that's not good anyway it's not good enough and it's i suppose how much of it stay i mean how much of it i mean that basically yeah how much of it in your opinion is it down to the manager or you know what do we do in terms of the manager if i could if i could see we were we were making progress in relation to last season like we're still making the same stupid mistakes as last season like saturday reminded me of milwall a bit in a way yeah the way we just took the leader to one and then just someone against us very hard against milwall and we just capitulated as a as a team and the other day the team is the manager as well and i'm sorry but i think i've heard a few people saying i've come a lot to talk for less than that i keep people hearing people saying you've got to give them time you've got to give them time but it comes back to what i've said before he's the luckiest ever manager he's had more at his disposal than any other manager we've had ever in the club's history still can't defend set pieces can't see how games can't score goals what does i tell you the mentality comes from the manager i'm sorry it goes two one up in the top to the bottom you're actually right two and up in the game like that you're playing bright and playing bright bright two one up away bright with 15 minutes to go you should be you should be looking at your team and going what do we need to do to see this out how do we see this out even if you've you've already made the subs even if you just make a couple of alterations right you play don't come over to the right now and with jarlison go to the left and and whatever and you don't lose you make you don't lose the game you're absolutely right you don't lose the game you'll do everything you can to make sure you don't lose that game and you know what and if you do and if you do get decisions like the var one you come out afterwards and you fucking tell everybody that that's a disgrace you don't come in and go you're fucking tell the cunts yeah tell them that it is a no you do though this is the problem he comes out he comes out and he just it's all oh well if that was a penalty then that was a penalty no you come out and go this is a disgrace everyone's against this i'm trying to hold on to me job here and i've got these pricks with their fingers on their ears you come out and you tell the world what what you've been wrong now we go too nice there's a club yeah that's the problem we've got people we've got people still at the higher echelons of the club who shouldn't be anywhere near the club there's no ruthlessness anywhere in this football club we just accept everything we we get where there's that game it should be like we're gonna dig this one out we're gonna dig this and then you must wait afterwards the players are sharing pictures of goals we scored on instagram and on facebook and on twitter no but that's no it shouldn't be though it doesn't matter it doesn't matter it doesn't matter it all matters because all it does is all it does is it sends the wrong that's what they send well then they but where does it come from i don't know do you think moise would allow that i don't know moise would allow it i don't know do you think moise would allow it i don't know no the answer is no it's football's moved on it's football's the all do it what's the point all do it i'm not defending them i'm saying that's what they do so you can't blame him He's the manager after the game. The manager is the boss. He should tell them all after the game. I don't want to see any of you. You're in training tomorrow and I don't want to see any of you. Do you have Marino? Do you think he'll allow that? Well I've seen Lingard and Pogba. I've seen Ling Park, Pogba Dabban and every night I've seen Gopbeat dancing. And what happened? And what happened? Marino got sacked. It became down to them, or him, and he went. And he went. I'm trying to, yeah. I'm looking at it now. He's your manager who I would like, Marino. But what my point is that all football is, that's the way they are. It's the knobbit at times. That's the problem then, isn't it? We've obviously got a set of players who just don't care and that comes again. You don't understand that us as fans. It's a job at the end of the day. I accept that. At the end of the day. Who's job? No way I accept it. Who's job? Is it to instill that into the net? I don't know. Is it not his? Is it not his job? I don't know because the bigger the... Listen, I was at a thing with Neville South all the other day and he said, he was talking about mentality and talking about keeping all the players and he said somebody knows he's a manager, right? In the last job, he went in at half time, bollocked the player, game finished, got a phone call from HR at the club saying you're not allowed to speak to him like that. And was out of a job three days later. So there's only so much these managers can control. But the players think that... No, you're right. I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm saying this is what footballers are these days and this is why sometimes it's dead easy to have a go at him for everything. Listen, like you've just said, the delt thing wasn't good for the players. I've just had a go at the club. This is the problem. It starts at the top at Everton Football Club and it comes all the way down because nobody at the club, nobody is there and they're not willing to make the difficult decisions. Someone should have just said to every player, don't put anything on social media tonight apart from the fans were amazing, thank you very much. But yeah, I'm seeing players putting pictures of celebrating goals. We've just been beating 3-2. The only one I would say is for Charleston, put a picture of him looking miserable. That's the only one I would say that's fine. Because he's basically showing that he's pitched off at the result. The whole show being a picture of him celebrating the goal. But they say, oh my God, see, this is the problem. This is the problem at the club. I get why you're pet saying because it only takes an official to message each one of them players and say, lads, nothing's right. I'm just saying. You don't want to see him call you all the way home. None of you put anything out on social media tonight. None of you, you're growing mint. They should hate you. Because you know what? There's a load of people driving back. Does it hurt them? No, but whether it does or doesn't, the message should be there. What you've just said, there's people driving back from Brighton. It was pissing back. You were texting me going at 11 o'clock and there's a pitch inspection and it might not even be on. People got back to London, soaked through, and the train did all have been cancelled. That's what it hates. It hates them. How the hell have we sold out for Southampton already in a few weeks? Because it's a long way to go. People can get pissed on the way they are and back. That's the truth though. Listen, the fans are brilliant. They go everywhere and they hate us all. I've got up this morning still feeling like I've been on the aisles and sat the night. I haven't had a drop. I just feel sick. I am going to overdose something. I feel sick because it's the same thing. It's the same thing of you feel like you're moving somewhere and then you end up just pushing back by making the same mistakes. That's what annoys me more than anything. You can lose games of football. It happens. The whole nature of football is a competition. Two teams are playing. You can win some, lose some. Like we said before, that Brighton game in isolation is one of them games where referees made a... Sorry, he hasn't. VARs made a ridiculous call. It's cost us the game because momentum can go against you. But the problem is when you've lost five out of six games, your players have to be mentally tough. When it's going against you, you roll your sleeves up and you dig in. Like you said, that penalty went in. Probably the manager should have turned on and gone right and gone 2-2, 10 minutes left. Let's get our shape, get Dom. He could have even gone 4-4-2 and gone and tell you what, eight corners, get the charlots and the Dom running into corners. Tom Davis come and play on the right-hand side, offer him some protection to say that he... And we didn't. But the players have got to do that as well. Nobody. Nobody. Yeah, Tom Davis. Exactly. That's what I said. So what does that say about the manager? He's a best player when he comes on. When they cross on a winger who basically scored the winning goal or set up the winning goal and you've got... They left backs no slouch. He's a centre back. But he didn't even go forward in the end. You got trot sad and you're basically saying to him, well, you've got a free run now. What is that saying as a manager? Why aren't you saying, right, Tom, just go over there, right, and sit in front of him. He'll go up and down and you just stay where you are and give the little one-twos and when you get the ball, let him go. That's right to hold the wel... the welcot. So they didn't really make that much sense if you're not putting... If you're not putting Keane on, to cause... If he'd have put Moise Keane on, in my opinion, it would have forced them back further because they'd have been thinking, oh, he's got pace. He can get in behind here. You know, he's going to have to force these back. That trot sad is going to have to double up on him. But we didn't. We were lopsided. It was almost... Waited for us, the left side was a big gap. But again, what you're coming back to, what you're saying here, about, like, coming from the top, like... We're only 5 points off 7th. Right. I'm sorry, like, but... No, we are. The season, we could still finish in Europe if you want to... The club are too fuss when it comes to making decisions. Right, I'm sorry. When you're finishing Europe and you're going on about, you want to win this and you want to get these... I've seen someone post the thing, what Meshiri said about, we want to win trophies. We don't want to be looking at an empty cabinet. Well, no offense, we are going to look at an empty cabinet because you know what, we're weak. When I looked at the stats before, when I looked at the stats before of the seasons, the last few seasons, when I looked at how many games we've won on average, having three wins at this time of the year is nothing new. It's no surprise. It happens nearly every year. Martin has booked the trend and obviously Moise did, I think, in his last season and Cooman's first season. They're the only seasons that have booked the trend. And that's who we are. If we win three games after 10 games, it's not really a surprise. And yet we continue doing this. We have the same people working at the club in those high positions that have been working there for years in one aspect or another. And we allow this to go on. It runs all the way through the club. It just goes all the way through the club. And you're right, no-one's willing to make the tough decision. They've got no standards. They don't have any standards. They've seen Arsenal fans yesterday. They won Emery out on the fifth. And I wouldn't... The fifth in the... It's a bit harsh. Yeah, but what they see is... What they see is... They can see the... They have higher standards than us. They see how things are, where they want to be. And I appreciate that. I do believe... They're like spoil kids, Arsenal fans. But then some of their plays are like spoil kids as well. So... They are the antithesis of... of where... But they've had it off the pitch as well, haven't they? They've got the... Don't forget Arsenal as well. They've got the power to go on off the pitch. They've got an owner who just doesn't give a monkey's. And, you know, like United. And... I don't know. Every week, when one... Then the manager, everyone wants them sacked the week after. It's not... It's not... Like... There's got to come a point where... It's not... It's not... It's not good way for them to manage. Where does that come from then? Right. If there's someone at the top... Right. Those people are supposed to run the club. Right. They're supposed to be the leaders of the club. If they came out and went... They ain't getting sacked. No one has, though. No, no. That's what I'm saying. It's not getting sacked. It's halfway through it. It's not getting sacked. Right? I'm not saying the vote of confidence, but they're not. They clearly got their finger hovering on the book. Of course they are. Right? Of course they are. And you're right. That's not conducive. That's not... It's not fair on them. It's not fair on them. That's not good for anybody. Anybody, whether they be the players, whether they be the players at all. We love them, blah, blah, blah. But there's plenty of ways you're getting it out. That you don't like it. There's plenty of ways. I get that, but at the same time, the club are just leaving them hanging to sigh by not doing anything to help them. I haven't had brands come out and say anything. I haven't had Meshiri. They're the people who should be coming out and saying stuff and saying, he's our manager and he will be our manager. But they're not. But he's obviously... Because then all the fans are just shut up. Do you think? Because every weekend, you know yourself, every weekend, I knew this was going to happen. I thought we beat West Ham. And I knew Brighton would be the tough one because it's away from home. And I knew the reaction would be what the reaction is. Because it's going to be like that until somebody comes out and says, he's our manager. He's going nowhere. We're going to stick by him. It's a long-term plan. But no one has. And that says it all for me. Like, they've got their hand over the button ready to... And it will be Tuesday if they get beat. I'm sorry it will be. Because he can't carry on. He can't carry on. Doing this. It's not fair on him for one. It's not a good way to manage. It's not good as fans. The atmosphere will be rubbish if he carries on like this. It just can't. It can't carry on like this in terms of how it is at the moment. I don't know how that changes apart from him being sacked. But it just can't carry on with this. It just feels like game to game. Yeah, that's not good. That doesn't create a healthy atmosphere. Because then it gets fans up against each other as well then. I think he should stay out. But how can you say to someone, I've seen people on social media say, no, I think he should... It's bad in the VAR. But there's no proof that he's going to stay. And then there's no... It does feel like he's just a dead man walking at the moment. And that's not fair. I don't think that's fair on anyone. But go back to what you said before. We also don't look like we're building anything out of it. We don't look like we're building or we're going in a general direction. I mean, you start the weekend and then you're watching Lester beat someone 9-0. Who? By the way, none of us would sit here now thinking we'd go to Southampton and beat them. And they beat them 9-0. And people can go, they're just sending off. So what? I might be careful. It's all some time. If we have seen as go plenty of places to send off and not be able to do anything about it. They went there and just went. I've seen Brendan Rodgers come out at half time. He said, told me at half time, you just take your foot off the gas. Well, they were mentioning that all the way. He said, I told them to punish them. That's what he said. Because it was a finger, 30 minutes. Rodgers going mad when they were 3-0. He said I was going mad. Someone done a flick. He's seen him fuming on the touchdown at 3-0. Yeah. He said, I told them to punish them. The things that you create yourself. You're brilliant. The way he didn't stop. Oh, there you go. And then you see. They got plays like that. Even some of the plays before the game. To Carragher, we'll win this easy 3-0 today. To Neville and Carragher before the game. Madison, chill, well. They sent Rodgers after the game. The players were telling them we were going to win 3-0 before the game. Rodgers didn't look too happy. I watched Chelsea on Saturday night and Poole is just in the team from who's been fighting. They go to Burnley. It's not this case of like, oh, Burnley's a tough place to go. He's going to blow him out the park. Game over after 25, 30 minutes. But what they did was they worked us hard and they had that extra little bit. They had a self-belief. The manager gave them a self-belief that they can go anywhere and win. They were Poole when they were down to Tottenham. You wouldn't have thought, none of their fans ever thought they were going to lose. None of their fans thought they were going to draw. They all believed they were going to win. This is something we just don't have at our club, self-belief. I know it's been a thing for a long while, but a manager's got to give you that. And that's the problem at the moment. No-one's got that feeling of any belief in anybody at the club. And again, that comes from the people at the top instilling that in the people in the club. And it's not there. Let's be honest. We haven't really appointed very well, have we, since Moly's probably? No, we haven't. Right, let's leave it there. We were going to talk about Michael Keane, but I think we'll leave that for the Tuesday topic. Because I think Baz looks like he needs a hook or something. There you go. Let us know your thoughts in the comments. Plenty to get out of this game and what is happening at Everton Football Club. Don't forget if you want to join up with the Athletic. The link is in the description. You've got 30 days free trial. It's there. Check it out. Anyway, thanks for watching. We'll see you later.