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I'm gonna go to short So I ain't gonna do clips no more. I'm tired man. I need y'all to keep on checking aside pushing this channel up I know so we can take it all the way to the top man. Hey, man. Listen man We got a guy here today y'all he don't need no introduction This guy right here man is a legend man in the city when they come down to hey man the music dealing with the community Being a guy that just pretty much knows how to you know transition in time You know what I mean real transparent guy man that got Bo lig is in the building. What's going on? What's going on a boss talk man a bull egg in a bit of stampede rucks for life. No saying it's about to go down full Lent everything you want to know a man. Let's get it man. Hey man Listen man, I don't know if you've been watching boss talk one-on-one man, but we be on it man I ain't gonna lie man. We got we got to get all the way down in your being this Really they say I'm the messy one But really my wife is the nosy one so at the end of the day she gonna be asking y'all kind of question Like man, I ain't even what I know. We're gonna talk about that. Let's go. Let's get to it Okay, so you're born and raised in Oak Cliff, of course, right to be exact to be exact and I gotta tell you thank you I want to say thank you. Let me start off first because that's the only song. I know for Oak Cliff. Okay, I Love that song when he told me you were the one who did I think he would play point that Oak Cliff That's my hood. Yeah, so what happened was this no true story and I try to get everybody's story the right way You know, okay You don't need no high ball story. Let's sock originally had the song they come around some kind of way they couldn't get it on the radio and Let's sock reached out to me and he said man put a verse on this Oak Cliff. That's my hood So I went and watched him perform the song bro, and I tell you it was off the roof It was out the roof like onto my everybody in the place was saying and I was like whoa But when he brought it to me whatever I sit in the house I wrote the twin I put 20 24 bars on whatever I went to the studio recorded it Luke Luke to be the whatever and you know, I got it back to him whatever But what when I did was I recorded a K-104. So while I was there I actually walked in and had them to play it right there. They was like whoa So it come back around they didn't actually play it on the air But it's like how we seen her they played them in the music in house right the actual guy who was one of the first guys to break the record was Oh Bobo Luciano. Hmm Bobo. That's my boy super tight. Oh, yeah, no doubt. Shout out to Bobo So, um, I sent a record over there to Bobo So kind of way I got wind back that he didn't want to play the record or he broke the record Yeah, I see them say that on your interview. I don't remember exactly what happened, but I called them. I was like, hey, bro Hey, can you spin that record? Okay? That's my hood for my lahominy. I'm in me, you know saying and we talked about it. He spent the record. So again, Bobo One of the first one played it to play the record, you know saying but the sock is excellent rest the piece of the sock You know, he passed away, but on a free hot bar store, but um, that's how the record actually came about Okay, let me ask you something because that because for that song Everybody no matter if they didn't know Texas They know Cliff and everybody be singing that song like it's their hood and it ain't their hood I'm gonna break the verse down that you that you put on there like Ted Let's just for word for word if you can remember it I was like big to the old when I wrecked the mic a lot of y'all niggas don't want to fight You want to jump a nigga stomp a nigga oak little niggas will hood niggas off top? We don't play boy. Fuck around to get dropped boy beating up your black boy and it can't at all That's hitting hard, you know Palomane grip grain to my wrist brain uncut like cocaine oak leaf That's what that is your bitch niggas y'all best to chill fuck. Let's get your head peel sip a drink bottle You know I'm saying like man on and on and on but you know I'm saying it just how I just start While I was writing it was like I'm looking at like what oak leaf really is, you know We'll get out there. You know saying this what we do in oak leaf like we're gonna get us some money You know I'm saying we gonna have us a phone. We go drive. We'll we go. Yeah, I want to get it Yeah, I want to get into it with us in it what we're gonna get into which I'll in what it's just you know That's how little business, you know, I'm saying isn't that almost every city I see so many guys sit right here and to talk about their city and it's the same thing I hear Yes, it's a sign, but it's the same thing, but uh, but if you know this Everybody want to be a part of a cliff though. Mm-hmm. Wow When you think about the songs that stand out, that's one of them Southside the realest is another one Man the triple D is in me. That's that's that the Rowan chief, you know, I got money. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's yours, too I just wanted to talk about just to give kudos to that song. Let me go back now. Okay, so Um, oh Cliff, what was it like growing up in the whole cliff for you? Were you raised by a single mom or your mom and dad? No, my I was raised by my grandmother's in the house anywhere from two bedroom house on high street In the world from 13 to 16 people living in one in one house. They sleep on the floor. I didn't get a bed So I was in 1011 grade. Oh, I moved my cousin's big-time drug dealer But my teachers would pick me up from the solo and take me to Roosevelt and blah blah blah Where's your parents? Where were you parents? Do you have siblings? Your siblings was in the house with you too? I have one brother. Just one brother. Older younger. He older than me Older than me. He got dropped to Seattle murder straight out of high school in baseball. Wow But he ended up getting in trouble long story short Decision wise, but my mother and father both was in and out of jail. My mom been on drugs since I was eight years old This summer I still battle weird right today. You know what I mean because you remember seeing her On drugs. Yeah, because one time just like I knocked on the door and I walked in and I was knocking on the door But she didn't answer and I opened the door whatever and I walked in I seen little baggies on the little baggies on the on the tv thing or whatever um So I leave out whatever but as I got older and got into the game I understood those baggies was back then so I just put it together that you know She's been on drugs since I was like eight years old So a lot of my coaches helped me out throughout my life, you know my my family Um, you say you struggle with that. So how did you struggle with that? What what about her addiction that you know? um You battle with I want the addiction the battle for me Well, her is me cleaning her up like she want to live on the street like I don't try to get out. I'll kind of facilitate for the last four or five years. Even now Yeah, right now. She's still on it right now. Yeah, right now. She's still on it. Like, you know saying I walked up on On one time and you know, she tried to walk away from me and I grabbed her and I'm like When you go stop but she don't want to stop how she live is how she want to live I mean, I done did everything under the sun to help her and she just don't want that help She can't escape from what we from she can't escape the environment, you know what I mean? Like if I put her in a facility like she been a turtle. She been the green notes I don't have her everywhere So at the end of the day look up she come back down the street with a bag And I'm like, dang man, they didn't keep her long enough, you know what I'm saying But the only thing that when she go to jail jail like she go stay two three years She gotta stay she gotta be clean. She come back. She come back. We're in 165 175 Looking good looking real good. Now. She probably weigh nobody. I don't maybe Do you think she might do do you think that like in cases like that because I hear people say it all the time Whenever you come back and you come back clean, you got to move out of your environment and move somewhere Totally different. Yeah, she has to but if not because she goes she reverts back to the same thing You know what I mean? Like because I know I had in a place for like 30 days And you know, she was looking good and everything or whatever cut her out Um, because I heard had her had matted up in the last 10 10 years Like when I went to the field, she was out here on her own honestly, you know what I'm saying? Not saying that people didn't help her but I appreciate everybody who has indeed helped my mom because they knew that was my mom You know what I'm saying? So, you know, I mean, I respect people who help her But at the same time people hurt her by giving her what they gave her Right, right, but then um You know, they always say the reason why people are how they are a lot of times Yes, she's addicted to it But a lot of times people take that stuff to to hide the to hide the hurt to deal with the hurt So have you ever found out what is it that um hurt her why she even turned to it in the first place? No, I don't know why I don't think that well, I can't tell you why she turned to it in the first thing in the first place Because I think it was just a drug that came and swept You know, everybody community by storm at one point, you know what I mean? But I also feel like that she feared that She let me or my brother down in some way because I could see it on her all the time when she Do talk to me or want to talk to me. You know, it's like like my brother My brother in the state or during time like you got 15 years, you know d10 on it, but um She'd be like I seen ill with over here and over there Knowing she didn't see my brother like she tried to revisit like with my granny when her mama died, which Oh, she was incarcerated and I used to go see my grandmother every single day Like my grandfather died in december then my granny died in june So I knew it was gonna be hard for her because they've been together forever in a day since they was like, you know 15 to 16 years old so I always know no matter if I came from the club at two in the morning three four or five I was gonna see my granny before I go home or whatever and she just died from natural causes, you know what I mean But my mom feel like somebody suffocated her Or is her fault or something. Yeah, I mean it'd be so much to it, but when it's really dysfunctional homes, you know I'm saying to be honest, you know So and your dad is he's still living now my dad died in 2009 when I was in federal prison So he died. How did that affect you and what did he die from? Um Kidney failure it affected me like, you know, I was one of those kids like I want my daddy You know what I mean? Like he's always taught me and my brother like that's how we learn how to play baseball That's how we learn how to throw football because of the time that we did spend with him. That's good And he wasn't on drugs or none like that. Yeah, he was on drugs too. You know at some point um He tried out for the Texas Rhymes in 1978, but he didn't make he got cut on the third cut But it didn't they did a system is it's it's through our family Um, I remember shooting basketball my dad at the point, you know It's half dollars on green street when they had granted one two over there He actually sold drugs and apartments. That was grand one and two So, um at the end of the day, like I say my daddy He taught us how to play baseball and you know, throw a football or whatnot or whatever, but in the day I see my daddy when I was Eight then I see him again when I was 12 when I see him again till I was a senior high school So he called me he was like So what you got going on out there? I hear you doing this and that what is stampede? I'm like stampede records dad just come on home. I'm gonna show you whatever You know everything I got going on. I was like how much time you got left? He was like I got like four five months left I sent him a couple grand to make sure he was good till till they got home to see what was going on Enjoy the at least you treasure the time that you spent with your father. Oh, yeah, no doubt like you know, I mean I can't I mean I love my mom and my dad like no matter the circumstances You know what I mean? That's why I come at some point They I was you know people they I was hit you with the message like but that's your mama But that's your mama but that's your mama but at the end of the day they gotta realize too When she really didn't she go stop but until then she's not gonna stop So there's a lot I did we don't know I've really been wanting to cut in on this whole conversation because It's a thing where you know Being in in the 90s You know cocaine crack Was a big thing, you know huge and uh So huge that it affected our communities in more ways in one like like How was it how do you end up dealing with streets? Your uncle you say you moved and your uncle was hustling right my cousin or your cousin. Um But were you able to Did it affect you in a way to where you just didn't want to deal with it? Or did you just you didn't mess with her with because because I had a any she used to smoke And she was slick Yeah, she always coming up with ways she wouldn't ever say she was getting it for herself She always her her man or somebody trying to get it for she know You know, I'm really not just trying to give it to her like that Right So how was it that you were maneuvering around or how did you look at things when you would see your mom in that situation? But the streets pretty much calling your name Well, it was more like, um like you asked me about my cousin and right So I didn't have I never had company coming to my house No girls no boys no nothing because Of they might come in and dump Money on the table and I count the money and write 350 thousand on the little paper Wake up in the morning go to school when they don't went to the club all night. They sleep they wake up It's a money count right there. You know I'm saying they know how much money there So at the end of the day, I knew I couldn't bring people around me in high school like that because they go be like They're gonna steal they got money or they go ain't no telling what I have So I never allowed people to come around my house when I stayed in the soda with my cousin So, um, but you saying how did I how did you how did you maneuver around and how did you you know cause for me It was hard. Yeah, I'll tell you it was hard because Like you're saying my mom she'll slip like yeah, she'll see you and knowing you like she know you you my good home Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're gonna play it give me $20 or $10 and you'll give it to all the strength of being my teacher Yeah, yeah, then you'll come around she go hit you she go hit her then she go hit me And then here she is she got her money Now she got whatever she wanted to go if she wanted to go get her something, you know, get up get up fix She's gonna get up fix. Yeah, yeah, whatever it may be then, you know, there it is. She got us the money for for a couple days You know I'm saying but um I've never Like literally came on mom Craig. You feel no never never But you were um, you were on the streets. You were in the streets doing a thing, right? Yeah Yeah, you was doing your thing, right? Yeah, was I doing my thing? Yeah So so no my but my thing is Seeing that this is how that drug affects your mom or drugs affect your mama But you still went on the street and did that to other people's moms? Well I understand where you're coming from with that that question on the scenario because Um, just one group of guys I normally I mean I deal with we always have a personal talks and one dude asked Did I fit where it was asked him? It was did I feel like it was a bad karma, right because of how my mama is Like it eased me alive the way that my mama is, you know what I mean? So they they said from all the drugs that I sold Do like, you know, could this be a comma and then to my answer to my Rick lick. I'm like When I was saying the drugs I was eight years old How could it be karma for me? I was an innocent child. My mom was on drugs. Now I get in the streets hustling Now I'm getting money and then I go to jail and come back then this side turned out. So now it's a karma No, it's not a karma because an innocent child should never have to pay for none that they parents or anybody in their family Do when they come to drugs? So that's the scenario that that was trying to be displayed was just you know I would have never thought it was karma because as you said, you know You were a kid and she was doing it way before you even started doing what you're doing But I was just thinking to the perspective of the people that you were now giving it to that's somebody's mama That's somebody's sister, whatever. But you know, a lot of people, you know Just like you have some men out here go out here and treat women terribly But they have a mama and sister that if somebody did it to their mom They'll hurt them. Yeah, but see to be honest with you, it's like, um, me leaving college Coming back trying to get jobs and it was always Uh, you don't have enough experience or we're going with this person that person I mean it's second nature. You got to survive. So actually I just used it for so I was surviving You know saying to survive. I didn't use it to be flashy, you know saying like no matter how much money I had or Whatever I ran across that was the thing for me because I had enough money for more to buy any kind of car Showroom floor. I can go get it. Okay, but at the end of the day, it was more for me taking care of my people How old were you when you got in trouble? Which time the first time By 21, I beat it. I beat it. I beat a drug case in 20 at the age of 21 when I left college Okay, and then I end up What what what what what what drug case did you beat? What did they jam your case? What did jam you up at? 70 level on more sailors More sailors jammed you up right there Yeah, because my any my one of my anus on my daddy's how I actually called the police And said that her son because they were looking for her son that he might be with me She described my car and everything and told them that I might have guns money and drugs with me and whatever so um I ended up putting it I ended up, you know run across town to make a play And coming back, you know, the golden rule is if you ride dirty get to your destination and get back to your destination You don't stop I broke the golden rule. I stopped the semilim to give me a damn big bite hot hot dog That damn big bite. Yeah. So, you know what I'm saying? I pull up and I look outside as I'm grabbing some chips and I'm like now why the police car keeps circling around So now it's just some on my some on my dome. Like it's something going on. Yeah Now I'm seeing two police cars. And so when I get back in the car or which my home was in the car or Do they or his name a dude? um, so My nine millimeter is in between the console and I got I have a big head out beside the air condition event You know what I'm saying? So, um, I probably got like seven thousand number whatever But anyway, I had I had a niggas with my name on it I had a niggas with my name and diamonds on it. And so, um, the police when I put my car reverse Like all the police car like six police cars just swung me out of nowhere from outside of the gas station Assembly level so I'm like, damn So the only thing I did was I just dropped the clip and it took the bullet out the chamber You know what I'm saying? So, um, they knocked on the one there from a driver like I was an asshole I cracked the one that slipped my idea out of my insurance because I don't know who y'all looking for You know what I'm saying? And so they was like, so where's your cousin? I'm like, what cousin? And it was like Kevin Walker. I'm like, he ain't in this car And so I was like, my name Terrence So he walked to the car came back. So they was like well, um Your any call the police saying he might be with you and I'm like, what? So Now they think that my homeboy could be him because they never asked him for no ID Oh, yeah So why wouldn't they just ask him to find out? I don't know. So they just they just went on They opened they opened they opened the car though. I just went on and got out and I just told my homeboy Just no saying I said brought on trip. No saying they find they find a dope. I mean, it's mine So when they found my gun, it was like who gun like that's my gun. You gave them permission to search your car No, I didn't get him permission. I'm gonna say they can't assert you without permission They opened both of those and just because I don't want them, you know what I'm saying? Because I had I already had Bad run-ins with the police like literally, you know saying so I didn't want to go forward because I had I had a A 54 million dollar lawsuit on the Dallas police department at one point That's before this happened. No, it was this was after but this was how long after it's still led up to it Okay, it's still led up to the same time because it was the same police officers same police. Yeah, and so um um Anyway, so they found the gun or whatever So they were like, well, we go take you to go take you to jail for gun choice I'm like, all right, cool Gun charges be $500 you pay the 500 the case over with and so um So it was just look it was this little gang unit guy. He had he had uh He had green eyes and he walked up to me. He said You know, I'm gonna find that dope, right? I was like, what are you talking about? So this trucker went in my car. He turned the other side down to look up under the dashboard and everything and He went to check it on my evidence and they were open now one of them were open And I'm like, they're not gonna find a dope, you know what I'm saying? And then soon as he I don't know what he did but some kind of way It's like he just popped that joker and he came and he opened it and he pulled it out He was like we found it and I was like, all right, it's mine You said that yeah, because My home not for them a homeboy take a charge for mine for something that's mine. That's mine Everything in the car belong to me and I'm like everything to call mine. I don't got nothing to do with my homeboy But that's what they fucked up it when we went to try out because my homeboy was going to for drugs So my lawyers just flipped the script on them and asked them why did they let him go and then let me go Because he was always wanted for the drugs But I told them they never checked his ID or nothing. Nope. They just let him go They didn't even take him to jail. They just let him go. Wow. They let him walk away So and that's how you got off. Yeah, and that's how that's how I end up being that's how I end up being the case Because my lawyers just used reverse psychology on them asking them Why they let him go and then let me go when y'all know he was wanted for girls and drugs But y'all didn't even run his name or nothing And then y'all had a league of such a season. So yeah, I went away, you know, how long did you how long did you fight that case? About two years two years. That's about that's about the average time. It takes a lot Okay, so you fight that case for two years We walking on into okay, but why are you fighting the case? You're still out there in the streets doing your thing Yeah, I'm playing. I'm yeah, you ain't you ain't playing no games. You got to go get it now Now everyone I had to go get you had to be careful going to go get it That wasn't even the peak of my time anyway, like 97 98 they want to pick up my time because you 22 20 Because I started I was playing some I was I was playing some my pro at this time I ended up breaking my neck at the world halo. Damn. Yeah So you are playing sports in my pro football And still in the streets and in the streets and still donating money to the city Chris comes in my organization my little lead football organization the team that I'm the president over there Yes, I still was doing everything and still put money behind still prerequisite still doing everything So, yeah, I was doing all of it So you didn't need to be in the streets No, I did where it's not saying I didn't need to be in the streets But I was trying to figure out a way to get out the street You know I'm saying I really was like, you know, I was hustling but This is numerous things I try even for the record label to The light boxes in the club to close though to have my uh, this one guy's name was uh, Ricky died. He shot the blockbuster video for us We we was doing Uh, we had footage on a lot of people whatever we were trying to do on the corner It was a tv show that we was go that we was go take But it was that we was about to do I spent 150,000 on it But he ended up dying in the studio with an enlarged heart from uh from um Sniffy cocaine. I didn't know that he that he didn't do it You know what I'm saying and I had just gave him like 40,000 They still found them with 25,000 in his pocket when they found them dead, you know what I'm saying So I mean it was it was a lot of stuff that I actually was trying to get away from like No, because at one point I got tired, you know what I mean? Like when I was coaching lily football me and my My son and his mom be driving to seagull via and we'll be passing by seagull via Um the federal prison and one day I was just crying and my son like daddy was wrong All right, junior. I just feel I'm built up one day And I end up being over that one day because you know, you know, you you you can feel it coming You know what I'm saying, but it's like I was literally I was trying to get out. Don't get me wrong So you What happened to Put you to bump your head the next time when you ended up Um, you got in trouble again that you end up going this time when you went to the feds, right? Yeah, how long you did eight years? No, I did nine years nine years Nine years and six months. What was it? What was the deal with that and how long after your first time did this happen? My first drug case I caught was about by 96. I wonder did this this other one 2016 years? Oh, that's okay Yeah, I had a I had a 10 year ruin like Yeah, I had a 10 year run easy But what what happened on the with the college you to get back into a jam, you know Well You you know the like the form is new jack city. Yeah, so my homeboy them actually ran Uh These Jamaicans actually ran These appointments and they called them new jack. I know they did it back in the days. Where was this at? South Dallas, you know, you know that damn old food genie Do I remember him? There was running that Jamaicans ran the whole Texas back now. They run now. He was running now Now don't do that still please. Well, but I remember I remember him, but it was these two brothers They knew him though. They all was over there together. I knew all of them. I was young Yeah, like that's why I say like with Elaine's food out of eight every Every piece of Jamaican food you name out of eight because they used to cook in my green house in the backyard Like all the time. So it ain't from the fish eye soup to everything. You was helping them dudes. Uh, no No, so you're going too far now Don't tell me why but you were cooking at their house that was cooking at their house or they were cooking at your house Who's I'm to my food. We talking about Jamaican food, sir Yeah, but I'll just tell me Not that I'm talking about far as they was close to you Yeah, they was they was in our neighborhood Because a few of the Jamaican guys were talking to women in our neighborhood So as the age of me being a youngster 12 13 they in the neighborhood, you know, they Coming through they cooking barbecue or they do everything in the in the neighborhood, you know, Jamaican tony Or gold. Yeah, yeah, Jamaican Danny his brother or big suppress the piece of big e banks Like they was in our neighborhood just doing it, you know But they were messing with the women in our neighborhood Or even like my cousin she talked to one of them. So I mean they right there like So you saw that. Yeah, I saw everything that you could watch my name. How did I and so We're gonna go back to how how did he end up jamming you up about this school? Let's oh, so we're um They had these poor men some South Boulevard On this kid that just doing a mic mic Michael B was your normie from Arkansas somewhere. Okay, and doing a B love this The did the R&B singing for stampede record. Okay. Okay. Um, I don't know some kind of way they was in Uh, there was a south boulevard the the beads guy the the ones who make a brother He ran those poor men's down earth and the other brother ran the ones on Atlanta, not in green so, um um I had to wait I mean, I had all the work the keys and whatever half key whatever and inside these poor men's I Literally I I call myself being smart still let me drive from oak lift without without the drills To say I'm Dallas. I just went on got an apartment inside those same apartments on Atlanta green Which my door number was 206 across the walkway So anyway, they had departments down the street on south boulevard and um Some kind of way I think they've been hit departments down or The mic mic boy and be a little jump out the wonder it might might break his league And they took him back up there. They found everything you can aim on the sun up in her so from ar-15s to locks rugas nine millimetres and Half a kilo crumbs and bottles of syrup on the weed to break down the books the scales and they found it out and Of course, they jamming they jam him weeded. So these two dudes Go to the bells bombing to get mic mic out Which bees is one of them They go up to to david wells bellbomb to get mic mic out And when they get there, they would tell him I need eight thousand to see a flight reason well They only had 6500 They leave and try to come back two days later and get him When they get up there to come get him david was like but just give me the 6500 y'all bring my 1500 back now granted Days before this I just get a dude mic mic 350 dollars to buy his daughter and them some school clothes for the program that they had anyway but So fast forward time back to them going to get in the second time. He said, bring me the money They go up to the 6500 when they run his name He tells them The feds got a hold on them damn now when David tells them that did The feds got a hold on them Mike might come out of nowhere one day But like he just dropped out to scott. He right back in this right back in the mix He working and doing everything else and the first thing anybody think about is that he ran? It ain't the first thing that anybody think about it's the first thing that those two guys didn't tell nobody They went up to go get him and he told him that the feds got him I know why they didn't tell nobody That is the biggest question that I still ain't I never asked neither one of them Why y'all didn't tell nobody else that the feds got him because on the streets when the feds grab niggas they go say Hey He came right back into the they came right back in working the house is doing the same thing He came right back in doing this And nobody knew but the two dudes they knew and he still got both of them too. I bet I mean, I'm just saying at the end of the day. So that's why it's called a south side indict me I'm not from South Dallas par for more clear So I got I I really get tagged in on the tail end of the indictment From they was investigating them from 2004 all the way to 2006 They didn't have no pictures. No nothing on me I don't think they had was the last six months of the indictment when Mike might came to my house and my relative is the one who served Mike Mike the drill first If they knew what a dope came from because that's my granny house Yeah, so it was it was an automatic knock right there So it was they try to he so the first case they came with was aiding the bed Which they don't carry no time but two or three euros. That ain't what they want They want they want your body for some euros So they can get that 29 30 thousand dollars after a year in the fed that taxpayers pay for So what did they end up getting you for? Conspiracy Yeah, it's hard to get away from that. Yeah Can't get away. I couldn't get you out of that You can't get it because see what people feel about the feds They're gonna do with no lawyer a lawyer can number represent you the feds go by guidelines So if you look at a federal guideline choice, you got a muscle or you got an offense level of 1 to 44 or 1 to 43 on this side and Category of criminal history and they go by how many felonies you get you get two points at one point whatever it may be So if your level is Say if it's 44 and then you get 3.4 sift and take a break up to 41 Then you come in saying you're in category one, which is right here. They just come down and connect them And that's how much time you could be facing unless unless unless The judge feel that you had a minor participant role or whatever because the judge The judge is the only one that can give you less time than you supposed to get But you was working in the community and doing a lot of stuff for you. They don't care about that They don't care about the community all the work you're doing the community They they they won't they want the hype over to say we arrest the bully who we've been trying to get for euros this this um One police officer like he harassed me for so long He tried to plant they tried to plant drugs on me and everything and I was like, you know I beat that charge You know I'm saying it was a lot of stuff that that I was beating that the police were trying to do to me I mean I beat let me ask them something when when you was beating these charges because I know how the streets be talking When you be dodging and ducking different situations. Did they ever try to say that you was talking? No, they couldn't say that because all my people was always done when when because like I jump in the car with her And they'll pull us over and ask so what are the drugs there, man? So at one point I was just riding around with different people I was having different girls to pick me up with different dudes to pick me up So it wasn't about me talking how I'm gonna be talking what we talking about I'm in the car. Well, we going to the movies this summer have to eat. What drugs you looking for, sir Yeah, but I just I just know how how the streets are. No, no, that's that's not that's not like, you know, um, like At one point they try to uh They try to put drugs on me But I had 13 football players in the in the truck with me from the little league team I was coaching they didn't know inside the scourge in there. It was 13 kids in there because I put up on my grandma street and it's a red car on that side of the street facing down this way And I'm going up this way. So I noticed the car on the wrong side of the street So I put up on the car To let the one of them out from the scourge and see the car he burned out So the first thing I'm like and like damn who they been watching because I've been in football practice with these kids We went to go watch the children play against the Redskins to see who we was going to play in the first second round playouts So anyway, I followed the man through I call my home while the aim is a red car with 10 in wonders He's coming down down off or one of you y'all try to cut him off because I'm trying to see what it is Because somebody I already left a note to my grandma house telling my little girls afraid that that they was going to rob me You know, so I got everybody in my attention to see like who this state that trying to see what's going on But why would somebody leave a note to warn somebody that them go they gonna rob it? That don't make no sense because they on drills when personal drills they they the dude so dumb He left his address on on the letter too And I went I mean the way so back to so I followed do our way through downtown um But when I pull up on the side him on the one way street I look down in this I look down from the scourge to the to the front windshield A dude I see fbi on this shirt damn biggest date. I'm like damn So the first thing I do is he run across the light. I make a left. I make a left on the one way street So it was a police company flashlights like sir, you lost something like yeah He said we just go right here and make a left for going back So I go drop the kids off at the salvation on me Which I had two of them left with me because I was gonna go to salve Dallas You know once I drop them off. I already be over there and uh When I pull down on my grandma house the first thing I do I go as my brother. I was like, bro What y'all been doing? So at this point I had probably like uh Like 80 but I probably had like 84 handful beads, which is about 1200 pieces about 96,000 So anyway, I um asked why I'm like What to work it? He was like, bro, I sold it. I said now you couldn't sold it. I was like, bro What I tell y'all if I'm in practice I don't cut away from the kids go make no kind of plays I don't do that at all because those kids are blessing for you, man You know saying that's something I never did was cut away from the kids to go make a dollar, you know saying So I say man, give me what's left. So he give me a little canister He got about a half of beads in it. So as I'm coming down my brother house, which my brother house on the side of my grandma has I'm coming down these stairs Man, I see like four police cars flying down my grandma street from the top of the head So I don't I don't go up my grandma Stirv I shoot through the driveway Because if I go up the stirv then they'll see me going in the house. So I shoot up the driveway So now they don't they put it they put the kids out the screws. They put in there by that Who's driving this truck and I'm like damn So I'm watching them arrest all my cousins them and everything So I empty my pockets. I put the money in the catch in my grandma house And I come out with my driver license $20. They were like, who's driving the screws? They got the guns drive that I'm like, I was driving the screws and I had I had my ID in my hand But the $20 in my pocket and uh, he was like, uh Freeze I was like, man, I ain't got nothing. You know what I'm saying? So if you shoot me, I don't got a weapon You won't know who's driving. I'm the one that was driving. You got all my people arrested. Y'all look for the driver I'm the driver because now I'm trying to get my people get the heat out of my people Yeah, so um, I give them I give my idea or whatever So they send me across the street when they send me across the street Discouraging the park on my grandma side Um, I'm standing this girl named Tracy. Yo, uh, but I can see my discouraging So they take cut my cousins to jail for tickets or whatever. So now I'm just standing up because I ain't did nothing legal Because like my little quarterback said he said coach if you was in your apartment, you would have been that called him He ought to have been that called when we was on the bridge that the scourge was slow So anyway, I'm standing over there and all this this white guy he put out a um He go in this coat and put out a bag I mean, you can see playing this day powder playing playing this day He went by the knife and tried to pop the dashboard up on the scourge about a certain way to plant it Yeah, and I was like, hey man, they trying to plant drugs on me And so they was like get him away from her like nope I ain't going nowhere. So they were trying to rough me up. I didn't move and then I'm like I'm not gonna move because I don't even do nothing to me. So Um, the dude was like damn. He popped and he put it back and he walked out He walked out on the side of one of the houses over there So, um, I I heard these cops talking saying something like well, he hit the undercover car And they don't know I got 13 kids and there's a scourge. So I ain't never hit nobody call You see what I'm saying? So if I go to court I know I got 13 witnesses and I'm quite sure they go look out for coach anyway But it's the fact of I didn't hit the car because I got kids with me. You know what I'm saying and so, um I tell my cousin just my cousin. I say, um, her name was baby I said go in the house and get a camera. This is disposable camera record. Yeah Take pictures because the car was up under the street Like I'll take pictures of this whole car telling cameras roll that and y'all go get go get the field develop They take me to jail get the pictures to my lawyer. So the whole time they don't let everybody go They just got me outside. They got me outside just standing there You know, I look up and the dude say, uh Come walk down his here with us I'm like, man, I'm not gonna walk down over here with y'all. It's like six cops I don't know what these two dudes come from. They by six eight six nine big old I'm like, man, I'm not gonna go down here. So I tell my cousin I was like I mean Make sure they don't try to I'm gonna go down here. So anyway, I go down there But they walking in front of me I'm walking slow because I don't know what they go do. You know what I'm saying And so once I get down there like what we got we doing a drug investigation over here Uh, I was like what they got to do with me. That's the first thing I see Because you couldn't have been investigating me because I ain't been here all day But if you've been sitting on our day, I ain't been here all day. So you couldn't have been investigating me And so the whole time he was like, we're in some illegal drug activity going on over here I was like, well, who are you looking for? This is what this is what I'm asking them now because now I stepped away from them because I don't want nobody trying to grab me or nothing. So I was like, well, who y'all looking for? Well, it was the way let's go back to the top of the street. So we go back up there I was like, will y'all give me back my driver lights because and then I did wrong And so some all of a sudden this dude The dude pull up in the car and he said arrest him I said arrest me for what? So they put the handcuffs on me. They take me downtown. They got me they got me loose there for like Five hours. I'm down now without a choice. They didn't tell you what they were arresting you for I'm just don't they have to read you your rights once they put the cuffs on you Or they have to throw it out the police break rules. They make rules and break rules You know saying like I'm not saying I'll cause but they do it right and um The whole time I was down and so they they they brought a piece of paper No, like what sign this piece of paper right here. I'm like, what I'm signing a piece of paper for Y'all sign that paper ain't signing nothing once I pushed it out the window like y'all sign it You know, so what I'm signing it for so I never signed the paper So I kept calling kept calling kept calling and then all of a sudden I go to Raymond court and then the jews. I'm the last person he called he said he called my name. He said, uh sir I don't know what you did to the police department, but whatever you did They Asked me to give you a bond that you can't get out on I started laughing Like I started laughing because it wasn't a bond. I couldn't get out. Like this would I'd say this to him but I'm like Man, I got a I got a meal ticket. I get on any one You know saying so he was like it's 384 thousand 387 thousand dollars, whatever And I was like, all right, cool. So I go back in I used to find comma cheek I tell I was like me and take my lawyer for the for the 2000. You know what I'm saying 30 30 something for the case. You know what I'm saying for the bond and 5000 For the for the case between the retainer fee So I was out in four hours, you know what I'm saying? So my lawyer posted a bond for me whatever it was by the company I get out. I'm selling my grandma. I'm selling my grandma boys The police come back buy my grandma house the next day for all day like and he was like Mother fucker. How you get out of jail? He went down the street and bagged up. He made Yeah, he said mother fucker. How you get out of jail? I said bitch because I got money And then my and they sold my grandma was sitting on the porch and he said uh, he jumped out the car My grin was like baby come up. I'm like now grinning because I had been having dreams about these polies and everything My chicken waking me up on my sleeve. You're tired. You're tired. And so I was like now grinning I ain't coming up. I'm I'm not leaving no more. So he was like dude the cop was like Yeah, one day one day. I'm gonna one day. I'm gonna put some handcuffs on you and I'm gonna beat your ass I say no, I'm gonna beat your ass before you put the handcuffs on me because they're just how bad it got Because I got tired of ducking and dodging them Yeah, I mean, I got tired of like anybody come pick me up They'll they'll see me in the car with somebody they'll turn around put it over You know, you got a my own joy dealing with you like they just was burning me up. You know what I'm saying? So Three hundred and some thousand. Okay. So you got right out. They was upset about it. Yeah, I mean I don't know what I got like y'all don't like like that's the one thing that I What did they charge you with? Oh, they charge me for uh aggravated assault on a public servant saying I hit the car And my cousin gave my lawyer the pictures to the car. They dropped the choice. I get out if I get out In the four hours I get out They dropped the case the next day after my lawyer was in so with three days the case gone Did they have it next day I get out the next day was dropped so they were playing games exactly But I got a question because earlier you said you had a lawsuit against the police department and all of that I didn't see the police on my street in my neighborhood for two years. I swear to god Didn't see him for two years Um, but what was the but what was okay? So the lawsuit that you had tell me about a lawsuit and when and during all this time when did the lawsuit Start how did it end all of that? Well, it never it never I think it was just more of a threat than my lawyer presented the lawsuit to them Okay, so it wasn't because it wasn't a start it was a starting point, but it was never end the point But I didn't see them for two years though Yeah, I didn't see him for two years So, you know keep going. Yeah, so they so they just literally bagged away from me like hands down Oh, wow. So, okay. So after They dropped the case When is your next time because you went to prison for nine years So, how did that happen and when did that happen? I went to jail in 2006 on the federal the federal indictment this one got indictment on the federal charge okay, so um That happened before this or after this happened after this happened 2006 Okay, that case they About that case the case they tried to pin me on was the one in 2002 With the uh discouraging or whatever with the kids right playing football. That was earlier. Yeah And then they try to come back they come back with the indictment That's where the mic mic boy get caught up and he started working for the fees, right? So he started working for the fees So when he started so when he started working for the fees and he came right back into the clique just infiltrating the clique He given up likes to play numbers what kind of car they were driving He I mean he he had to not how he had to hold nine yours So yo, so he had to hold nine yours like Mike might have everything they needed So what Mike might did was he um got drugs from One person on this side one person on this side and then you on a conspiracy with somebody you don't even know Right, so that's how I conspiracy going to a more conspire to sell illegal jewels. Yeah, okay, so Hell what did I miss y'all? I didn't miss something She went back to Mike Mike, you know saying how'd I get a how'd I get arrested with the federal On get on the federal indictment which was Mike Mike who worked for the Jamaicans. Yeah and went to burn him out Um, they knew he was working for the fees and didn't tell nobody He'd come back into the clique doing the same thing he had been doing working in houses He was working the real man doing everything. He was doing his normal job. You know what I'm saying And that's how it just came. So what you telling me is the Jamaicans really was snitching. No, I can't I'm not gonna I'm not gonna do that. No, because they're my people I'm not gonna do that though. Well, somebody was snitching I'm telling you it was it was my Mike Mike, but they knew The Jamaican and somebody else knew that he got picked up by the fees And it just didn't tell they didn't tell nobody That's like me sitting right here. Let you go across the street and buy some wheels more than knowing they the fees Yeah, and I know it. That's crazy. That's it. That's the kind of stuff they do though Don't be trying to put this off And I'm about to be going there too. I'm going over there in two weeks. I don't want to be in y'all personal That's what you're at. I'm gonna pour it taking none of that I don't Jamaicans ain't messed up now man. I've been with the Jamaicans for a long time, bro I'm home by a pill. That's my partner man. Hey, what up pill? Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna pound the pill. So, you know, let's let's get I want to roll into the music a little bit Because we've been it man. We was in the streets for a minute, huh? The streets ain't nothing That's the beginning. Yeah, a lot of brothers go through that man. We began playing football Then into the streets Then to the music while I was in the streets at the same time and playing some my profile Yeah, you was doing all of that. I was doing all of it at the same time. You did a lot of stuff with gator man, didn't you? Yeah, that's my that's not I did a lot of stuff with gator man Seemed like y'all had he was he because he's one of the people that I I was a rapping at first. I was just CEO. Okay. I am all she gave around for each other life And I I am all my own record label stampede record. So at the end of day We are our studios was around the corner from each other. So, um One day they had they uh CEO worm Dermot Patterson, he was out from the day I think they had rose some for him or whatnot whatever and then he was uh, he was uh They they put a beat on and everybody's rapping. So I'm sitting over there. My home was my artist looking at me like What you gonna do? I'm like, nigga, I ain't no rapper But then they don't know I had started practicing, you know what I'm saying? Because I'm go and they come back around this I'm gonna go now. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. So when they came back around I started freestyle and so they was like, oh, he been practicing somewhere But gator is one of the people that Gator Kool-Aid, uh, little joe that hold each other life, uh, even the artist, uh, uh, bobo Ropee the artist on stampede like It's artists. I used to just stand back in the crowd and look at them How they work the stage and how they rap whatever was like, you know, I'm like, damn, you know So it came like I said came around to the point to where um, we come out with the double compilation first It was called our time to shine where we took all the songs that everybody on stampede had And we made a double diss on it. It's a platinum and gold these and then they come back to Me working on my solo project and that's where that's where it come in with gator in the first place because He actually taught me how to write music You feel I'm saying he taught me that now you can't say this You gotta you can't you saying it backwards or you are you writing it backwards or you're doing now It has to go like this So I mean I give him credit to how he, you know, taught me how to write music and even stir me in the right direction By not letting me say stuff it could be times where I'm sending a call whatever, you know saying we collaborating on something and he'll be like we get to the studio. He'll say I'd say the whole verse all the way through I say the wrong the last word wrong here made me do the whole thing. Oh, you know, yeah Yeah, that's so he really yeah, so he really critiqued me and taught me how you know saying, you know How to go about you know with the music or whatnot Wow, I want to ask you about that uh money like like when you first done that what was how did how did that even come about We was just we was uh Me gating some more of us in the studio. Just we was just shooting the shit whatever, you know I'm saying it was just a question me asked like well, how you do such and such I got money How you do such and such I got money and it's just how it came about, you know I'm saying it was just it was a fun song from the get-go You know I'm saying it wasn't even song that we even looked at to be the one that that was gonna make You know, how did it start off? Give me, you know, I always like to hear the song Well, man, I got money. Yeah, I got clothes. Hmm. I got beaches I got hoes man I got brand new voles Still got the sticker But I'll bring the rolly Throw away my ticker. Yeah, man. It's your music here. No, I just like the music You don't be honest with you and not only just me my fans a lot I mean my my people that watch the subscribe we all do we just love the music because that's really what keep everything You know, really it neutralizes things it can make things you remember when that when the when that music came out When little John there was in the club and that that that krunk music came out, you know music does something I remember I had my boy fresh on here and he was talking about how the club were going crazy And you know go DJ fresh and uh, he said he played a certain song to stop them from, you know Even having that type of feel, you know music is just an extraordinary piece, bro. Yeah, that's how I mean Yeah, no doubt. But yeah, that's how the song actually came about though, you know, and I mean I actually had money, you know You know saying I wouldn't I mean I wouldn't want to do that was fabricating or No, come up a little bit for the mic. It's not one. I'm not one of the dudes who Be out here, you know rapping and saying, you know, you got such and such and I don't got it. You know saying like Um, you know, uh, I had some ponies out of north Dallas Or power move records or my partner rope Um, he was like, uh one day he asked me He was like, bro, how you how you do everything that you do, you know saying Uh, it was in my grandma house. We were talking about music and stuff and whatever And I was like, I'll be back in my grandma house. So I go I go put out this long army duffel bag one of long green duffel bags And I just dumped all the money on the couch. She was like Man, how much money you got right? I was like, that's a meal ticket, bro He was like, what I was like, this how I do everything, bro I got money for real, bro. Like people don't know I got money like this, but I really got money You know what I'm saying? Yeah, so I was like, man You know, the most I ever had was one million 265,000 out of cash and I ain't never owed a nigga nothing. You know what I'm saying? So that's how I was able to you know, uh, be able to do a lot of stuff, man You know what I'm saying? Because I mean, I had the money to do it Who I was like stampede like who like I think about Corey cloud and all those guys Y'all y'all work together because it's just not all of us was in the same era though. Like clout records um eternal life meal ticket riders uh rally boys rally grifter your grifter um pob pissed off and broke. Yeah me you had uh It's my boy name name or dub them over there dub and cab them or uh Man, I can't believe I can't think of these boys name. You had inset boys. You had a jowls or you had pow Before we're doing anything back then like it wasn't as much as it is now like forward forward Like it was twisted black just twisted black twisted black, you know, and was anybody else? Uh, what's what's this dj name? Uh wow her Wow here. Yeah dj wow her he be he been out there shut out dj wow That's my boy. I'll rock with it. He been out there for a while too um Like yeah, I mean it was a lot of it was a lot of record labels Uh at the time of the era that we all was out, you know what I'm saying because everybody Everybody had something, you know what I'm saying like you had uh Like still you got a like I said the rally boys um I mean whoever you can name a slew of people that was really had some good music man Just they couldn't we couldn't get on DSR How was yeah DSR of course, but how was your music like when you end up getting locked up How what was your music at the at that time like How was it was it when you on you had something popping in the streets when you end up having to go sit down That's when I had just uh that old clip. We don't have I did I got money first from 2003 You know, I see it's still rock today. Then after that, uh, which the project came out 2003, but um, you know, that joke will last me about Two years flat on the radio hot, you know what I'm saying And then we came back with the old clip That's my hood in the same instance of the two year from 2005 Roll on over to you know what I'm saying 2006 or whatever But um at the same time, I was about thinking deal with universal. Yeah, you know saying. Yeah, that's good I mean I was already you know saying but you know the fees grab me like what's just gonna do with their money from the You know saying from the deal It's just they try to you know saying the fees their job is to make your Make your monster man, even though you might not even be that monster. You know I'm saying They'll make to where you are What would they try to figure out if you don't you know You know how much power you got to get people killed or knocked off or they hear stories about you Then that's what they believe see on the cool to feed some sorry motherfuckers You feel I'm saying because I don't think they do a sit back and wait for a motherfucker to tell them some Instead of getting off the ass doing the best of gating you feel I'm saying and then once they do luck up and grab a motherfucker You and the fees Niggas will come out of anywhere to testify on you to go home. So what you think you're gonna do? That's really see all you need to be talking about they tough now ain't copying that nigga You copying that nigga because you ain't finna sit up in that bitch and get 30 when you don't gotta get 30 Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So you sit up in the bitch get 30 because you tough Now I mean go get whatever you go get and get on out the way Because if not you go get up in that way out by time you get by time you get all your your shit reversed You know done 25 years on the 30 That's real. That's real man. So I mean I want no fool. I had a whole I had a whole witness see the motherfucker come testify on me and I'm telling the da I'm like y'all got to be sorry motherfuckers to sit up her and know if I got a song saying I got money I got weed and crack every motherfucker go say they bought dope for me I done I done did I don't do no 500 shows. I don't been on a million posters I don't shit been on the radio all over the place. You think anybody gonna say they know me when they only know of me They only heard of me. Well, tell me I was gonna ask you this like greg street like during that time He was in the city like how you how to do in him meet and and how was he when your music was moving man Greg street the real window on the cool like great street the real when I took that I got money to uh, well, we first of all we went to k1o photo do interview on this uh on uh our time to shine And everybody's at the radio. We was having a blast and um, I mean I was sitting back like I always do just letting everybody had it fun and uh Greg street was like man. Let me know. He's like man. Let me uh Let me tell you something I was like what he said first thing I want to tell you is uh This is rapper dude coming out of uh Atlanta, Georgia named young jeezy Uh, man, give me 3,500 get a verse from him And I was like, man fuck jeezy. I don't know who that nigga is like me I'm trying to get there some money. I ain't trying to get my money away Damn, so you didn't you didn't and you can't buy him because he didn't have none at that time But you don't know if but but by by greg street being a dj He can hear something but not only that though Greg street part of breaking the nigga record too. Who knows? That's right Because you in Atlanta, you feel no sin But I wasn't looking at it from that perspective. I'm looking at it like I don't need this nigga You feel no sin But later on that motherfuckers that verse or two could have gave me longevity to put out another hit song or one or two You feel no, yeah, yeah, I got money. You see them saying So all they could have been on that same album, you know saying and so And so the second thing he told me he said Bro, you wasting a lot of money on all these artists To make the world know who they is like bro People you go spend more money trying to make them known Then anything he was like i'm giving you an example. He said everybody know you The streets know you dope boys the girls the Community everybody you in the schools everybody know you bro. It is for you to drop an album So why you won't drop an album? And I was like Shit, I ain't just I I didn't feel like I was just the best rapper on the label You know saying but now I realize you don't have to be the best rapper You got to be more to be the most likeable nigga on your label. That's real See, you know, that's real fuck the best rapper You got to be the most likeable nigga and you the most likeable nigga you go get away with something You know what i'm saying So I took I took heat of what he was saying and I Instantly started working on my solo project You know what i'm saying, but I didn't actually put nobody else project on freeze. You know what i'm saying I just went directly working on my you know what i'm saying What were the clubs during that time was it was it was that that's baby time like strip clubs spot What we had we had club diamonds diamonds or gg gg gg for show park avenue sameis. Yeah, yeah And we had our RJ by lake. That was a little bit before that wait for that club blue club blue. Yeah, we had everything Yeah, I think that's that's just sets the timing of where you know, where everything was at during the time That's hard man. Like and so we street with that stormy table street did though Street motherfucker. He don't give a damn what the radio people say In some point That motherfucker play I got money for the top 88. He played that bitch eight times. Damn, but that's love See, do you do you think they get a little like that now around the city right there? No, I'm not saying they get a little like that because it's easier now. Okay Because it is now you don't need the radio now Yeah, but a lot of people still utilize it because you know why though Why? Because it's still an avenue that you need meaning People go be like oh, I heard that on the radio The radio make you like a motherfucking song that don't even sound good Do you find yourself signing the fucking song So so the radio player player player player it player it play a role real significant role Yeah, it really does. You know what I'm saying, but I'm saying the outlet is now we got some more social media This is me how I look at it. So I'm working on a project Use the old tech to in the new tech and just go ahead on to put an app map I'm gonna win regardless. Yeah, because I'm not gonna get away from nowadays a lot of odds lazy because they don't get up And they don't gotta move around no more because it's so much social media and technology They don't gotta move around now. I'll be still hitting the road still hitting the street still popping up doing my Shit the same I done before so I can't lose Well, let me ask you like when you got when you came home How was it transitioning back into a society and just trying to get things back rolling? Just for a guy that might be getting up coming up. I mean actually I worked on myself while I was locked up. Yeah. Yeah, that's hard. You know what I'm saying meaning that um I mean, I'm not a perfect person man. You know I'm saying like Um, I'm more considering now people. You know I'm saying how they might see a situation You know I'm saying but I'm gonna hold myself just a little bit. I'm gonna hold myself accountable I'm gonna hold myself accountable for the things that I do or the things I don't do You know I'm saying first and foremost, but also I used to take the blame for everything that goes wrong between me and somebody But I had to realize that that somebody did something wrong too You know I'm saying but do they do they hold they self accountable or except that they being wrong In the incident where I had to accept it, you know what I'm saying and know that I did wrong You know I'm saying so that's how I became but you know like The growth to everything because I had to lick at it like man this shit just don't work your way You can't just see it your way. You know what I'm saying? You got to understand it My way may not be the best way listen to somebody else. You know what I'm saying? Like man, you can be sitting here talking and I could be like man my head But like me if you don't shut the fuck up and just don't let me go But it came to a point like when I got out I actually had to be like, okay, man Listen to what he got to say, you know what I'm saying? He might be on or something You don't know everything so that was the point that I became was one of the things that I worked on you know what I'm saying because That's something that people need to do because a lot of people they be What they call it or they have tonal vision, you know what I'm saying? Because they only see stuff for how they see it and how they want to be but it's not always like that You know what I'm saying but you became aware of your false because people tell it to you No, because I understood it myself. So you just figured it out by yourself. Yeah, I figured it out myself I mean I because I had already figured out myself because I was already working on myself Before I went to federal prison because I was like Okay, you got to stop fucking with all these women You know saying you got to stop dealing with all these niggas. You got to stop doing x y and z I was already figuring that out, you know saying because I didn't spend a lot of time on my kids Because I was so deep in the streets, you know saying so I was always so my my kid mom be like Um, well, we want to go to sixth flag. I'm like, all right. Here go 600. I go and go to sixth flag Here go 700. I'll go or they need new this and that hurt. Here go the money y'all do what I gotta do You know saying so at the end of the day, I start realizing the time is more important than your money Because I started realizing that if I had one dollar, I'm still a daddy if I have a million dollars I'm still a daddy So you got to you know, cut this shit and start going spend time with your kids and at that point like the one time I I'll end up going to six flags with my No at the time With my oldest son and my third oldest son and my daughter was chendria So we had six flags or whatever. I mean, I'm enjoying it whatever we got so many Because my little son he could shoot basketball his mama can shoot. I could shoot a little bit and uh, We got bags of stuff animals and basketballs like we got like four five them dragging around six flags and I tell my son, I say you see the kid in the wheelchair Go give him a bag He like no dad. I ain't getting him a bag son. Go give him a bag. I said, let me explain. Why do you? He handicapped. He'll never be able to shoot a basketball They get him in the wheelchair So give him a bag. I said junior. Look how much you got So he went over there and took a bag. He was crying, but he come back. He was like, okay, dad I get it. He he can't do nothing. He can't move on his own all day. This is right And I say one day you better come I said you come to six flags tomorrow His people ain't better come six flags tomorrow. They don't got any money out of money to go When you when you left to go to the feds You how was your kid eight eight and under so so when you came back more 16 17 Yeah, my oldest and my son was I got to watch him graduate Wow, that be because I was at the halfway house You know what I'm saying? And I'm like Which I worked at the daycare with my brother him and his sister my partner big b uh brandy steveson and uh His his uh his kid mama crystal at the time We're at the daycare at the time, you know I was supposed to be on the bus Going back to the halfway house And I'm like man. Fuck that. I'm going to watch my son graduate. That's really they want to see me back Fuck they can just see me. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm like I bet I haven't had to I was like fuck you just see me back I ain't running so I I missed around and uh I went to my son graduation And I she he came out of the house right there. He was happy to see me. I was happy to see him Wow, that's just big. Yeah. So I was like shit. I'm I'm I'm going to see my little nigga graduate So I stayed and watched him graduate. I got back to the halfway house. They made me take a ua Asked me a lot of questions. I'm like, man, y'all I'm her. So if y'all want to see me back, whatever See me back. They were like, no, we ain't gonna see you back. I was like, well, let it go then, you know what I'm saying I just want to see my son graduate and then after that like, um, I went on home confinement and shit or whatever. So at this point in time my My one of my my second son My third son he playing football. He was my second son playing football at skyline and um I just watched his huddle You know what I'm saying because I couldn't go out because I was on home confinement or whatever And then I was like, you know fucking man, let's you know I mean, I wrote that shit out. I wrote my five years on federal papers out. You know what I'm saying? Man, I killed my nose cleaning everything. I stayed away from everybody. I didn't see I didn't see No weed, no dope. I didn't see nothing. I didn't see nobody. I didn't give a damn I just wanted to, you know, take care of my business and you know, you know, walk a straight line Yes, could you ever talk to your kids as in asking them how did it affect them? You being gone, I already know how to affect them I knew the date that when the phase grab the phase reached to me It's on one where they came on my man with two three. I said damn my kids Because you know what come to my mind is the fact that when you were driving down the street Which your son as you said and you looked over to seagullville and you said I'm gonna be there one day It's crazy. It's funny story. Not funny story, but it's a crazy turn So my son well, he played for the Cummings. It's like I coached the Cummings and my son No, if I'm out of town doing the show, I don't care. I'm coming back. I'm gonna make it to my son gang and I didn't make it to my son game And I had I had called his mom whatever when I talked to him I was like a man go out there and be a leader because he played quarterback I was like they go far as you go, you know, don't form of the ball Do everything you're supposed to do don't bother with the ball. You get the ball to run Win the game so like by all means you win the game, you know The next day was Sunday. She brought him to see me or whatever and then he had my stampede chain on he was like, uh That I already knew where you was it because you don't miss my game. I knew you was right here Yeah, I already know he already knew, you know what I'm saying? But I knew it was going to affect them instantly because um, not saying my kid mom's one wasn't handling a business but life changed when you go for having everything So not knowing what's going to happen next what's going to happen next from from birthday parties and christmas school clothes and You know, they don't have regular parties. They have bounce houses ducking booths and kind of candy machine. They had the whole nine yours, but at the end of the day The important piece was missing me being awake. That's real. I'm saying so I already knew It was going to affect my oldest son real bad Yeah, because he knew and I knew it was going to affect one of my other son's bed You know I'm saying in the crazy part of the body both of them left And it affected both of them the same way because at the end of the day a kid will say You know when they mom started dating somebody else because I was I was me. I told his mom last. Hey look Um, they people give me some time. Don't put your life on pause for me. Hey Be safe. I hear you get to a dude. Whatever. However, just be careful because dudes don't take stuff the same way that women do And women don't take stuff the same way dudes don't be careful in these streets I wasn't big and pleading asking her to wait for me or nobody to wait for me whatever Bro, you're doing time. You can't do nothing for nobody and the clock will keep on turning That's real. That's real talk. So that's what I did do You know I'm saying because at the end of the day, I know if the if the parents are right, then the kids go be all right You know I'm saying So, um, did you cry many nights in prison because of that? Uh, no, I actually I actually I actually didn't cry nothing but one night You know saying because I heard the way that my son was struggling Trying to talk to me and he don't struggle to talk to me You know saying and it fucked with me real bad because I know he need me You know saying I couldn't be there for that. That's a clenching time. You know saying That's the time that cleans you up. That's so it's like when me coming back Me coming back trying to learn each and every last one of them all over again The new attitudes and trying to be a relationship with them to get them to understand like You know, I'm here. You need me. Let me help keep some game on No, being a young man and what you can't do what you can do because my dad was telling me You can't have two three girlfriends and you can't do this. I don't need that what I'm saying So I was one of my sons ended up having both his little girlfriends at the house while his mom was there Well, I'm like, hey man, you can't do that and they all are getting to it at the house You can't do that. So You know saying but you know, he understood but that same son of mine he graduated From a gremlin with his master's and bachelor's degree and then he got a job at Bailey University. That's awesome. He's the actual The women's basketball He do stuff for them or whatever Or the associate marketing or whatever. So, you know, he turned out, you know, he turned out pretty stiff or whatever I want to um, just ask you about to give back to the music a little bit like top three artists of all time did or live top three pop Number one and in genre In the judge, you're gonna say any genre. No, you did Number two Score face That's big Number three Pogs go up. It's ain't a certain order Pogs go up face focus go up face further pot um Number three is always the hardest Fuck it myself. No, that's all I like. No, no, no, no. Do your thing. Now, let me see, uh What you ask me like for real? Let me see if he gonna say Score face pot Rick Ross Hoard to me. You like Rick Ross Ross Hoard to me Ross just like what stuff does they hope like and get him on the show Ross Hoard, I don't give a fucking nobody say that nigga Hoard like for real for real If you just sit down listen to Ross, he hoard as fuck like for real man. You like boss better than pimp C No, it's not it's it's a pimp and bun When you when you go talk about ukk, you go talk about both of them, you know You're not gonna talk about bun. You go talk about ukk You know what I'm saying? Don't get me wrong. I love everything down south. I gave you score face already I don't want to stay on that note. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, I booked pimp a bun for a show before you know what I'm saying? How was the dealing with pimp? You know how pimp is man You know, you know, pimp pimp the one gonna smear some bullshit for some bullshit You know what I'm saying? But at the end of the day, uh, I mean, I love for you know, don't get me wrong for ukk You know what I'm saying? But um, you can just run them trail burgers yet. He just opened up I'm gonna head down and get me one when I get back from out of the country Don't get me wrong. Don't get me wrong. I fool with them though. You know, I love them man. Love ukk and tix is like I know wait I know wait You know what I'm saying? I know way that you you It ain't a top three. It's gonna be the hardest top three that you could ever come up with a beat. Yeah. Yeah So it's you know, I've been around, you know, I've been around. I don't hear music for years I gotta ask you know, like like when you hear people talk about the greats, you know They they always showing the south, you know The album that you can go through and never skip a song. We know Ryan dirty is one of them type album We know I I'm gonna even give a big mic back in the day big mic big mic. You go through that hole that we did the whole Some on that. Yeah, you know There's a big mic. Yeah, like you have just still balling them, you know Yeah, and and then you're boy. I'll cast them too. They have some a nice run It's a whole lot of but they don't get mentioned and don't and that's why I mentioned them every time Because you know, why though? See this is why we're trying to tell people about artists You know saying like they uh They um, what's the extra word I used earlier? The image. Yeah, you know what I'm saying when you go to looking at Like you're saying uh Atkaze Atkaze got a whole different image from a by mzg You know saying like everybody have a different image like to uphold when you tell my pimping boy You know saying they image different. Look at the image of pimping boy. Look at pimp himself Pimp go stay fly in the mud. Fuck it. That's his image And he go talk shit at the same time, you know saying so look at his image If if pimp talk that shit at their uphold their image nigga think pimp appeal You're right. So, I mean, that's what people look at though, man You know saying that they you know your image you gotta uphold man So man, hey man, how can people get a hold to if they trying to reach out and also Let me go back to the to the little league football I don't want to leave without talking about the kids like you've been still consistently A playing part in that when you came home, how how was it getting back into it? It was easy to get back to it because we always had our own team and I don't feel the city It was just you know at the point of me coaching or not in the next year I come in and how did you feel about it? I feel great. Well, when I first got home I was before I got home. I was a little bit rattled because um I was community center People had broke up away from it, you know what I mean? Because whatever happened happened, but um At the same time everybody agreed to come back Once I got there, everybody came back and dudes talked and hashed out whatever it may be And you look up you got 300 kids on the football field and Centrified cheerleaders or whatever it may be. Um Then they Keep this out of the building They was gonna sell the building make it a low income house and they will tear it down But I went to the media. I talked to everybody except chief police and the president trying to say the building or not whatever So it just came around it. Um Uh behind every door has recouped the building Where they got the building that they done Raised where me, you know, I gave them a story. It's not a story But it was my life out of salvage normally Help me and help plenty more of us Then it came through the because you got guys like like I said, my brother got drafted Eric Harris got drafted or king. You're more than got drafted from there Uh, and Steve uh, Steve Paris got drafted from there. We got a lot of dudes in the You're you're run through coach prime team his little league team No, um, because they didn't play they didn't You know, I'm talking about the little league. You know what that yeah, yeah, we end up playing them one year or whatever But um, we know played against dean team to be exact. Okay team that he coached So, um, but they did he does it him and I have to mention him and snook because they Yeah, like I said, I'll tell you back like my first time one of my first years coaching in florida we ended up playing against uh, I played against snoop and Uncle Luke 118. Oh, yeah And snoop snoop actually told me youngster. He said I fly in 350 kids to a camp. I take the best 35 So it's gonna be hard to beat that 35 because you get the top of the top When we come from a little rec team and and it's showing that we coaching these kids and and we're giving them development They need to get to where they're going not because they They got the juice, but this is what we take you do, you know what I'm saying? So every year we go deep in the playoffs in a way even if we don't win it, but it comes from coaching You know I'm saying so, um, it's hard man. Yeah, it's real. Thank you man for even doing that man spending time with them kids I mean, it's really it's like it's really important, but they try they try to sell a building Or kick us out They raised 12 me got the bill to back we got they giving us turf football field Turf baseball dollars may be doing a horrible basketball flow We got to have a golf simulator in there The thing is named joy speak the god the golf guy Hipped with simulator curry clay shot here with baseball Ava johnson. It's a lot more people for taking half. I gotta ask you this too now Because you've been that like when when when the guy got killed on the field. Yeah, Mike. Yeah, like like you What did you think about that when you when you when it happened? Good because I know that the chemistry because one of the guys who's here with me Been here with me ever since he was this big like he coaches and and I always tell him like they be too serious. They be Why do he coach? And he ain't corn jackson It's not that they be too serious I mean I take coaching serious, but I'm not finna be in no football field with no gun No, you know I'm saying it ain't nothing there's nothing that having that bad on the football field to make you Break a gun to own a football field Around kids anyway. Yeah, that was crazy But but the but the I mean that was a big blow for the little league community Yes, it was because people pull their kids away from a lot of football teams And they want their kids out there because of the safety That's right. That's right. And even the kids who had to experience seeing that they traumatized. Yeah, that's crazy So, um, I mean like with everybody doing our building. I mean, I'm I'm gonna have a zero tolerance this year Uh, you I'm gonna have poli set the game You call me a whole ass nigga what you want to come but you going to jail and see the Chris, bro I'm not gonna keep my people. My people gonna be safe when you come on there and play and see the Chris You know what I'm saying? So, um, you know, it's just it means just a lot man You know what I'm saying, uh last six years. I actually last five years, brother I actually, uh, you know got the non-profit or the team under my name and That's me non-profit paperwork. It's all there everything through the treasure state We got everything we need. Just you know more about the again sponsorship or whatnot or whatever, but um You know, I mean, I love doing is the is the number one reason why I do it You know what I'm saying? It's not about the money or what come through and what don't come through because when the money ain't there Then somebody got appeared. So who probably got to come out of mine some type of weight But that's not what it's about. It's about the same place that saved me. I can save somebody else So that's why come I be, you know, I'm that's why I'm on city Chris Man, well, thank you, man. We appreciate you for coming on the show, man Hey, I appreciate your time, man. Come on, man. We're gonna keep on doing this till we get it right But man, man, I just appreciate you man. I say man Um, just thank you man for the contribution to the community like you be doing man I know we'll link back up. Maybe we'll pull up one day and do something You know, our grandkids my grandkids be then they play I'll tell you what man, just you know, maybe one day just spend by practicing something and see how I go Check it out. Yeah, just check it out, man. You know, I mean, you know, it's just Just different environments with for different way. Thank you. Boliv coming on the show man. Hey, man Appreciate you any questions you want to have me before I go. I don't think so No, I mean, I'm just I had a good conversation man. I'm asking y'all because it's y'all job to have me Oh, we could man. We had a good time. And what we're supposed to happen was already our day and it happened, man I thank god for it apart to check it man. It's been another great segment of boss talk 101 What a boss is talk and we out