 regular session to order. Uh let's go ahead and start with roll call please. Mayor Bagley, of course here. I am here. Councilmember Christensen. Here. Councilmember Douglefairing. Here. Councilmember Martin. Here. Councilmember Peck. Here. Mayor Pro Tem Rodriguez. Here. Councilmember Waters. Here. Mayor Yovakorm. All right, great. Let's start with the pledge. Um, what lucky soul this evening. Marsha, you looked up. Your eyes. Yeah, you're gonna, you go ahead. Everybody's and everybody has turned their mute off. Okay. So we all, we all sound equally ridiculous. Here we go. All right, go ahead. Go ahead. To the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. We're getting used to reading mouths now though. Yeah. Thanks Marsha. All right, a quick reminder to the public. Anyone wishing to provide public comment during the public invited to be heard, you've got to go and do this. Dial that number, enter the meeting ID, and then press pound. And then you will be admitted to the room according to the last four numbers of your, or four digits of your phone number. So listen to the live stream and we'll call on you according to who comes in first. All right, can I have my agenda back? Okay. Next approval of minutes. Can we have a motion to approve the November 10th, 2020 regular session minutes, please? So moved. Moved by Councilmember Christensen and seconded by Councilmember Waters. All in favor of approval of the November 10th, 2020 minutes. Say aye. Aye. Opposed, say nay. All right. The motion carries. Can we have a motion to pass the regular session minutes of November 17th, 2020? So moved. I'll second that. It was moved by Dr. Waters, seconded by myself. All in favor of the approval of the November 17th, 2020 regular session minutes. Say aye. Aye. Opposed, say nay. All right. That motion carries unanimously. Let's go on to agenda revisions and submission of documents and motions to direct the city manager to add agenda items to future agendas. Before we talk about the Weld County issue, is there anything else? Mayor, I just wanted to note that staff has pulled items nine and 12D. Both are the Longmont Housing Authority items. Those will be brought back later. And Harold just wanted to tell you why. I'm here, Council. Yesterday we had some conversations with Jim and our financial group. And based on what we learned is if we brought it in at this point in December, even if even that it was only one month, it would have meant that we would have had to bring all of their financials into our CAFR next year. And so in order to keep things aligned, we want to bring that on on July 5th and turn that study session into a regular session for this conversation. So that then what that means for us, the financials come onto the CAFR in 2022, not 2021, which would create an insane amount of work to bring that in now. Is that correct, Jim? Yeah, I want to correct. You said July 5th. You meant January. January 5th. Sorry, January 5th. And by bringing them in now would bring them into the 2020 CAFR. And we're just not prepared to be able to take that on. It's a very big impact. And we really don't have enough experience with their financials to feel confident to bring those in this year. Councilmember Martin, your hand was up. Oh, I was going to point out the July versus January thing too. Okay, all right. Dr. Waters. I guess this would be to Jim. Should we assume then that as an LHA, now put my LHA up back on, that LHA would probably work at it through you, but what we would arrange for an audit of financials for LHA independently of the city and contract that service? That's correct. That just is in the past, but we would be working with it. And then ultimately the council would be able to have a chance to review the results of that audit. Sure. All right, thanks. If the council would be the board and review the audit, but it won't be incorporated into our CAFR as an ancillary organization. What's the technical term, Jim? Component unit. The component unit. Okay, great. Anything else other than the World Count, World Counting issue? All right. So the reason I wanted to move this from the bottom of the agenda up to here, I want to explain what the hell happened. So my council members are kind of up to speed. And then I also first and foremost, I wanted to take action to put something on the agenda so we could discuss what's happening. Okay. So first and foremost, it's no secret that when I was first told that we'd be shutting down, right, shutting small businesses, restaurants back in March, I took that news unwell. Let's put it that way. For the last nine months, we have been dealing with a situation where we have constantly been living for all kinds of reasons, but right now let's deal with the pandemic in a state of anxiety, fear, and threat of all kinds of things pertaining to the virus. I have been a vocal proponent of not shutting down. I have been a vocal advocate of keeping our small businesses open. I, like other small business owners, March, April, May, and June, lost, came close to running out of business. Had it not been for the PPP loan from the government, I wouldn't have made it. Other small business owners are in that similar situation. Currently, the reason why I and others are stressing out is because there's no more powder left. The phrase, keep your powder dry. There's no powder. It's dry. If we go on shut down again, I and others are worried. I understand the sentiment of people who own small business saying, I'm not shutting down again or restaurants wanting to stay open. I get that. As a result of what happened, national news, media, I canceled my cable subscription in April. I have not been watching the national news. I'm getting all my information from two sources, actually three sources. Harold, I'm getting it from the state emails, and I'm getting it from the city Danieman's updates. So the county, state, and the city is where I'm getting my COVID information from. And I saw a change. The problem is the government shut us down, and I believe that it was unnecessary before premature, which made us all tired, sick of COVID, and put us in a situation where we can't do it again. But the difference is now I'm seeing 31 hospitals are currently full in the state of Colorado. I'm seeing that Weld County had 78 ICU beds, 76 were full. And I was seeing that Longmont's hospitals, we had 10 ICU beds left, seven in Longmont. And what I was seeing in these emails and in these briefings was that it suddenly dawned on me that, oh my gosh, I agree. Most of this won't die of COVID. A very small percentage of us are elderly are exposed. Five and a half percent are looking at dying. So you have the left arguing number of cases, you have the right arguing deaths. But the reality is, if all the elderly who get COVID and need an ICU bed go and seek help, what are we going to do if we have a car accident? What are we going to do if we have sepsis? What are we going to do if we have a heart attack? So we don't have enough ICU beds. If you talk, I talk to the CEOs of UC Health and LUH. They've got another problem. That is, as we're building beds and people are building facilities, it's not going to do us any good because we don't have trained nurses and doctors available in order to treat people in ICU, COVID and otherwise. So now all of a sudden we go into the holiday seasons, and I don't like you guys, but I used to, how many people do you know have had COVID? How many people have had COVID? I don't know anybody who has COVID. I know a lot of people who have had COVID. I've had a person in my Lakewood office, two people in my Longmont office, my daughter, my son-in-law, my brother, his kid. I mean, everybody's getting COVID, which means that percentage of people who need an ICU bed is increasing. And so 23 mayors, I didn't sign the letter. They did not even ask me to sign it because they just assumed that Bagley wouldn't be on board. But 23 mayors of the Metro Mayor's Caucus sent a letter to the governor saying, please put pressure on counties like Weld County so that they will comply with the state mandated emergency health orders. Like it or not, the state legislature handed that authority off to the governor. From day one, I and this council have said we will back the governor. We will comply with orders whether we like it or not. So this last round, he said restaurants are going to close, only curbside pick up and carry out. Whether I like that or not is irrelevant. There are county health directors and there are state orders for a reason. They have information that we don't. Whether we like it or not, whether you voted for Governor Polis or not, he is the man in charge right now trying to get us through this pandemic. 23 mayors sent a letter saying, please comply Weld County. Their response was, no, we will not enforce any restriction pertaining to businesses, lockdowns, limiting gatherings, nothing. So Mayor Bagley, being Mayor Bagley, basically simply proposed a point or I proposed an ordinance but was really making a point. If it comes down to it, I never said let's don't give Weld County and other counties that don't comply health care. What I said is, if we face a situation where there is a bed or there is a hospital room or a situation where we cannot get the resources and there are two people needing access to one doctor or one ICU bed and you have one person who comes from a jurisdiction that complies and another one that does not, it would only be fair to say, hey, if you're complying, you get access to the bed. I never said we're going to cut it off from Weld County. I was proving a point that you're either part of the solution or you are the problem. That was it. And so now, I then walked it back because I was getting calls from elderly people saying, why are you going to take away my health care? Nobody is proposing that. That was never my point. But my point still stands and my concern still stands and that is we have neighbors to the east who are, by their words, are encouraging their citizens and the residents of Weld County to not comply with the governor's health and safety orders. What that means is their hospitals get full, they come to us. And where I got mad was they had two beds but they reported having 43. And those 43 beds were located in Boulder, Broomfield, Larimer and Adams. They have two hospitals but they were counting another 12 to say we've got 14 in Weld County and I thought that is wholly unfair, completely unfair. So I put it on the agenda, the media caught wind of it, and you observed what happened. So those of you listening on public invited to be heard, I'm sorry you're scared, I'm sorry you're angry, I'm sorry I'm sure many of you are going to say it's not human of me. Scarcity, I'm sure mostly people who are angry at me are Republicans and conservative. Let me say that I also speak that language, I'm a capitalist. Scarcity is a resource. If you have one bed, one bed only, two people who need it, the question becomes what criteria would you impose to make sure that the right person got that bed? Now we're not going to do it at a local level, we're going to leave that up to the the state's hospital association. But I do think that there are some things that we need to do and say to our neighbors to the east. Joan, I believe you had an idea that I am willing to support. Would you like to have the floor at this point? Yes, thank you Mayor Bagley and I don't think I need to say anymore except for that I understood what you were trying to do and the premise of what you were trying to do. So I am going to make a motion, I sent all of council a resolution that I am going to read and then we'll vote on and discuss if you want to do it or if you do not. So it is a resolution in support of the governor's temporary restrictions on COVID-19. So I move that we accept this resolution which I will read. It says whereas our nation in the state of Colorado are experiencing the coronavirus epidemic whereas the governor of Colorado, Jared Polis has issued statewide temporary restrictions to minimize the risk and spread of the virus whereas the elected officials of several counties including our neighbor Weld County refuse to follow the temporary restrictions whereas Weld County's refusal to follow the governor's restrictions is impacting the risk and health of Longmont and surrounding cities. Now therefore be it resolved that Longmont City Council directs staff to craft a letter to the Weld County commissioners number one demanding that Weld County follow the governor's temporary restrictions and make a public statement to residents encourage wearing masks social distancing and hand washing and consider erecting medical tents to add more beds and to care for the county's overflow ICU patients as other cities are doing. Longmont City Council further direct staff to reach out to other cities in our health impact region to sign the letter and send the letter to Governor Polis suggesting that state funding be withheld from all counties not complying with the state's temporary restrictions. So do I have a second on that one? I'm sure you have you might have a few but I'm gonna let somebody else do it. Council Member Christensen? I'll second him. All right it's been the motion to approve the resolution again resolution is quirky this is just to put it on the agenda the resolution was to direct staff so it's not a resolution declaring anything it's just Joan resolution small r saying we're gonna direct staff in a very public important way to please prepare something for our next meeting so and it was seconded by Council Member Christensen. All right let's open this matter for debate. Anybody? Let's go with let's go with Council Member Waters then Council Member Martin then Council Member Christensen. So do you or Council Member Peck want any feedback on the substance of this? Because if it comes back the way it's worded now I'm going to have concerns about it. I just like for example my concern is I wouldn't necessarily tell people to set up tents if we don't have staff but I think for for tonight I mean I mean it's we're directing staff to bring something back but what would you what would your concern be Dr. Waters? That would be one I mean I just have questions about when field hospitals are created just to cities do that or to health care providers and you have the staff etc and what are the liabilities if we do it versus the our medical providers that would be one the other is it's my understanding that the legislation that's going to the governor already contains a clause or provision that would would restrict the allocation of funding or the award of funding and it's going to be on an application basis but the counties that don't comply with the governor's orders that's in the legislation it's on its way to the governor's desk now so that would be you know whether one I don't think we need that that's that's the point though those would be the only I agree in concept I appreciate the effort and I'd like to be I'd like to have a resolution I could vote yes on those to be to my two concerns. Can I address that? Sure of course you can Joan go ahead so Councilman Waters would it be maybe a suggestion to amend this to say that we support the legislation going to uh that is going to be voted on um to whatever your wording was. Yeah I think that would be a I think that would be spot on actually because that is what what's going on yeah okay so you that's an amendment you're making I would oh if you'll accept that that amendment I'll make that amendment yes sure yes okay Harold. On that piece and I was going to touch on this in my COVID update in terms of supporting the governor on that legislation in that piece could you all make the motion where we can draft a letter for you all to sign and get out um quickly because it's only a three-day legislative session so if you can adjust that so we can write a letter declaring your support so we can get that to you and get it to the governor. We'll do that as soon as we wrap up on this one but actually let's do that now is we have consensus on that do we not guys? All right let's just like can we deal with this yeah we'll deal with this we'll deal with this one we'll deal with this one and then we'll come back that's good uh Marcia are you done doc? Well only no well I was I appreciate the uh gals member back accepting the amendment I I don't know what to make of the of the 10s I get the point I just think I if we if if it was to support if the cities this council supporting whatever our providers would need to do to deploy resources to accommodate overflow something like that as as specific as constructing fence but I just I'd just be happy if the world county commissioners stop making statements such as we're going to embrace our freedoms and constitutional rights while the rest of you cower in your home and Netflix and chill. I'd be happy with just some I mean I thought I was the king of stupid public statements. All right council member Marcia Martin? Um I was just going to suggest I don't know whether it's still true or not um but uh there was a chance that the legislature was going to wrap up tomorrow um it might be better to have the um the staff draft a letter of support to whatever um uh consequences the legislature puts into place and then um have the letter sent as as a a an open letter to all the commissioners. Well let's let's let's let's deal with the letter after we're done with Jones. Let's let's deal with the letter afterward we tackle uh Jones uh direction and resolution to the staff. Can you set it right? Then we'll come back Marcia. Yeah yeah that just just then to say let's let's just put a little um a little flexibility into the into the staff's direction so that based on what the legislature does they can react to that. Okay all right council member Christensen. Um thank you uh mayor I um I am in support of this I think this is the right way to do it I think so we need to have two letters one in support of the governor's initiative and another uh seeking the support of Fort Collins and Loveland uh to react against this I I as I told you on the phone Brian when I talked to you I I quite I completely agree that their behavior is irresponsible it's going to cause death and it's you know flouting the law is it's ridiculous it is totally just political ideology and posturing and it's going to cost people their lives um I we're all incredibly frustrated at the I've I've run a small business uh you know half of us have and it's extremely painful to see what's happening to everybody around here but the businesses are it's heartbreaking because some of them will never come back they've put everything they had into their business and you know we're all feeling very helpless about it it's extremely frustrating um I am particularly disgusted with the weld county commissioners statement that uh Longmont city council is attacking the working class who are the ones um that are suffering from the shutdown they're suffering because of people like the weld county commissioners who encourage people not to uh follow protocol and that's why we have this skyrocketing amount of COVID out here the the working class has definitely suffered the most they always do and the and the poor we have a 40 percent rate of COVID among the Latinos in boulder county and they're only 13.8 of the county that is Latino so that's that's outrageous that's because they are front line workers and essential workers when the weld county commissioners accuse us of attacking the working class that is disgusting to me because that is exactly what we're trying to protect is everybody if everybody follows the protocol we will slowly slowly bring this back down again um I wanted to clarify something because um oh I thought that the um comment in this or the idea of erecting tents in this uh resolution had to do with weld county erecting tents if they don't have enough uh ICU's there then they should pay for erecting tents in weld county to make up for the fact that they don't have enough ICU units is that not true because well right now so right now the governor issued a uh the governor issued an order where he took uh took authority regulating what patients go to what hospitals when they get full right as a backup measure to the hospital association of the state um they're they're running everything so um but but weld county should be augmenting their hospitals with tents not if if I I mean I would argue if if the governor says that's necessary I would say yes you know but uh but I don't think I don't know if the the the governor has has done that yet so okay that's that's confusing but I I am for this and I I think that I'm glad we're having this discussion I really don't like the way you did this Mayor Bagley but I am glad as I told you we need to have this discussion and we're having it now and that's a good thing and this is the way to do it is in public and with all of council but um I I really hope we can get Loveland and Fort Collins to join on to this and say you know we're all fault we're all acting like neighbors we're all acting like good neighbors and you need to too you don't get to come over to my yard and trash it you know we don't we would not deny medical care to anybody it's illegal and it's immoral but it is wrong for people to expect us to bear the burden of what they've been irresponsible enough to let loose and so I I applaud the mayor and councilwoman peck for um bringing this forth and um I hope we can get those letters out pretty quick so thank you councilmember and one other point that just comes to mind is that our rest so we can't open our restaurants until our our numbers go down and if a neighbor is bringing mud into the house taking our shoes off is not going to make a difference so to speak and so what we're really doing is asking the neighbor please don't blare your radio don't flick your cigarette buds onto our lawn just just help us please uh councilmember yedoggo faring so I do have a question about and I am in support of this resolution um yeah so I it's nothing in regard to this but I think it's really important that the public know boulder county is if I read when I looked at the slide 6.7 percent positivity rate correct herald you're on mute yes and I can go over okay and I just wanted to put it in context with yeah it's called weld county's positivity rate what is theirs uh you made it just share my screen on this part you can't I know it was like 16 something but I don't I didn't want to give a miscalculated number so I'm gonna this is the COVID dial and you'll see some of this again so if you look at longmont 757 essentially down six point this says 6.9 but on the updated slides from the county we're at 6.7 and then we're eight days declining but what's what she really is asking she wants you to compare to weld county I am county now so oh shoot yeah let's see now we can see it all right so let me do this again so this is boulder county 757 here it says 6.9 the updated number we have from the county that I'll show I believe 6.7 and eight days declining stable hospitalizations two-week cumulative incidents 1116 1169 average positivity 15.4 and six days of declining stable hospitalizations so right around the right right around the time that this hit the news so and they're in red in all three categories that's another thing to put into perspective of why neighboring counties we why we are so frustrated and it's it isn't fair to put this on our own business owners and it's not fair to their own residents who are trying to do the right thing who are trying to be healthy but they are prolonging this whole issue with the pushing back they're the reason why I can't be in classroom in front of my kids and that I'm in screens with watching all my 20 kids online uh you know I'm done with that everybody needs to be a good neighbor we we are in this together so I keep going back to you know the world war two effort you know do your part for Uncle Sam do your part for America okay we're in a situation like that and the pushback you know that we're against working working class I'm working class we are many of us here are working class we that's not the issue that's not the issue we're trying to do the right thing to suppress the spread so we can open up so we can be in front of our classroom with our kids and you know I hear some of the pushback that I was heard well masks don't work well masks work with hand washing and social distancing there are many facets that need to be in place in order for this to work it's not just one or the other and we need everybody to do their part that's all I'm going to say sorry it's been a long day amen thank you council member all right so we've got a motion on the table and that motion is directing staff to prepare a resolution um asking I'm summarizing here asking the uh uh asking staff to reach out and admonish um I believe the word was demand that our neighbor in Weld County the commissioners uh encourage themselves comply and encourage their residents to comply with the governor's emergency orders pertaining to covid uh reach out to our fellow neighbors and get them to sign on to the letter as well as draft the letter to the governor asking that uh encouraging him to withhold state funding from those counties such as Weld County that do not comply with his emergency orders council member peck um thank you mere badly uh that last part that you just read remember that uh councilman waters made a friendly amendment to this that we were going to support the legislation uh yes okay a letter supporting what the legislation that's going to the governor encouraging that the state withhold funding from Weld County and other counties that fail to comply with the governor's uh emergency orders pertaining to covid correct so all in favor say aye aye opposed say nay all right that motion passes uh carries unanimously thank you guys yes councilman martin um thank you mere bagley uh i just want to uh call on the people of longmont first of all as our numbers are improving uh i can say that i think we are doing well in you know getting back on track with our compliance but we need to put our money where our mouth is which means putting up with getting carry out from our local businesses and don't cross that line so you can eat inside a restaurant please just please don't do it but i was actually invited to weld county to go to dinner i'm like you kidding me hell no all right uh do we need to uh council member christensen they might have you for dinner i'm not kidding yeah i don't know the other thing is all the people so we're about ready to yell that um we're about ready to go into first call public invited to be heard actually we don't let's go ahead and do this covid update and then a special report and then i'll i'll just i'm gonna say it again everyone needs to direct their comments to the chair good news most people are gonna be mad at me and i am the chair so it'll be great but let's go ahead and uh city manager report please um mayor council actually today we have a fairly extensive report to you all uh based on everything that we've been going over with the county the numbers um and i'm i'm gonna touch on hospital issues and then sandy's gonna update on the legislative stuff some of the things have passed and so sandy's going to jump in and tell you what's happened recently uh the first thing i want to say is um there's been a lot of activity and part of it is there have been changes um at the cdc level cdphz in terms of how we manage exposures and what we deal with and so it's really created a lot of conversations with the county so um we're in the middle of really readjusting some things based on what happens when someone's positive and we go through the tracing process internally and then what does that mean to us in terms of our ongoing operation um at one point we thought there were going to be some really significant issues in terms of continuing operations based on that but we've had some really productive conversations with the council the county today want to thank them for the work they've done and uh their their teamwork that we used in this so we think we really have a pass forward path forward to ensure that we can continue our most critical operations that being said there are some things within the new guidelines from the state and from the cdc that may mean certain operations that are not critical if we have certain exposures may have to shut down for a little bit based on the new guidance in terms of how far how long we have to potentially quarantine someone but there's a way to deal with that and it's kind of what you all were talking about and it's pretty simple for us and we're going to be reinforcing this within our organization um it is wear mask but now masking is not the big piece it's actually socially distancing and making sure that you're at least six feet from someone and you don't have that continuous exposure for 15 minutes with the same individual over a 24-hour period of time those are key components that they're now bringing into that evaluation um and determining whether or not you need to isolate for um 14 days and so we're working through a lot of this because it's a new change we don't know everything but just wanted to let you know if you hear us having to make some adjustments non-critical operations it is because of the new guidance that's moving through um and coming down I'm going to share my screen now can you all see the little COVID piece the little ball so um today I'm doing the presentation Jeff is going to be able to join us next week um he and I have been talking about the numbers and we've been going over it so he's provided me with their presentation um and then I also have a slide that he wanted me to present to you all um when we look at this this is what we started off with and so when you look at the cumulative incidence rate you can see all of the counties in red I think the important piece on this is that last week um Boulder County was at 891.9 so we are down um about 140 on on this two-week cumulative incidence incidence rate and then when you look at the two-week testing positivity rate you can see that we're at 6.7 percent this is the number that council member Hidalgo Ferring was referring to earlier but you can see that um you know counties are all over the place in terms of their incidence rate and to the point you were making um when you look along the front range um you know Boulder is you know and this rate performing better you can see these other counties in orange but you can definitely see the counties that are in red um that you all were talking about earlier and then when you look at the hospitalization status you can see um 8 to 11 days this has obviously changed since this has changed on the website versus a slide that I got earlier today so you can see how they're updating that real time in this so I would refer to the website on this one that's where the biggest difference is when we look at the numbers and you really see what's been going on recently um you can see that um we hit the high of 327 cases in one day um the key piece in this is that from 1123 to 1129 um all of our daily case counts the complete data set was above 100 every day and we were above 150 on four days you know and that's a lot when you look at where we were in early October but it's still better than where we were recently in terms of when we really saw this spike now when you look at this chart this again um is the chart that they started creating when they saw you know in the light blue the cases that were associated with cu the big piece on this one is that about eight percent of the cases in the past week have been about among cu affiliated county residents and so that they're continuing to watch that um then when we look at the um number of boulder county residents testing who are so considered probable with long term care facility um there have been 113 uh long term care facility associated cases among boulder county residents in the past two weeks um this is one of the highest two week case counts for long term care facilities that we've had um and it's surpassed only during the height of the initial surge in uh late april early may they're currently 15 confirmed active outbreaks in boulder county long term care facilities and that's up from five from last week now this is an interesting piece because i want to talk about a little bit as it relates to the work that we're doing with the housing authority um as you all know um a number the properties that we have at the housing authority have high risk individuals in those and so we've had to take certain actions um based on the move to level red where we don't allow people to congregate in areas um we are request requiring the masking and some other pieces but i also want to let you know that it is based on what we're seeing in terms of compliance there's probably going to be more information coming out for me essentially saying if you don't comply with the orders we may have to consider this lease violation because of what we're seeing in some of our facilities we have had in um one facility um the lodge in hearstone we've had a number of individuals test positive tomorrow we've been working with cdphg where they're sending in a strike team so we can test everyone in both facilities if they choose to be tested um because we are seeing a number of cases it's not considered an outbreak and this is what we've learned in the process because they are essentially apartments and they're not a long-term care facility where they all where individuals move in and out it's not considered one but it is something that we're concerned about boulder county health is concerned about and cdphg so we're working on this to get the area tested unfortunately we have had two deaths um within the last couple of weeks and um so what we do is because of HIPAA rules we notify individuals who have had close contact and and then we just start working with them in terms of what we need to do to try to keep everyone safe but we're going to take a more aggressive approach because we're definitely seeing the same thing you're seeing here in long-term care facilities we've seen and to the point you all were making it is an issue that we're concerned about when you look at the five-day average of number of new cases i mean this is who would have thought that we would have said 157 looks good but if you can see the peak and where we are we're definitely trending in the right direction i think what i was hearing a lot today though is there's really a lot of concern about what's going to happen after the holidays and so um if you happen to catch the governor's press conference with dr. Fauci they talked about a surge upon a surge and how people were in how did people congregate during the holidays and what's that going to mean in terms of the caseload so again we're still really watching this um and so it's 157 cases per day it's decreased um where we were averaging about 202 when you look at the new case rates by county i think it's it's really important to see the red which is boulder county um over the past 10 days new case rates in all metro counties have been dropping but um they're still far above any time during the recent surge boulder obviously the red line is lower than all but broomfield county in terms of new case rates per hundred thousand um so again to the point we were making we're all moving in a better direction we hope that we can continue this um we're going to talk about what we're seeing in the county so since uh the first of october longmont has had the highest um case rate per hundred thousand of all the municipalities and you can see that's 2700 versus 1900 with boulder again the data for lions they're still working with because of po box but you know there's there's a lot of room for improvement in terms of our community uh in terms of the per hundred thousand we'll show you the cases this is actually um what it looks this graph shows a weekly number of covid cases um by a slight group of municipalities um boulder 381 cases longmont 458 um louisville lafayette superior 169 cases and then the other municipalities and unincorporated boulder county 131 cases in the past seven days about 34 percent of the new cases have resided in the city of boulder and 40 percent have resided in longmont so what does this mean in terms of age range you're continuing to see um the same uh democrat the same breakdown by age range 18 to 22 still has the the majority of cases um as we look at this and again this is per hundred thousand this is not actual cases um so 18 to 22 then 23 to 24 25 to 34 and 34 i'm happy most we've been talking about children and i think this is you know when we look at cases among zero to four and 10 to 14 year olds that has actually remained relatively steady or declined recently which is um um compared to the previous two weeks um cases did fall among the five to nine and five to 17 year olds over the time periods five to nine to decrease by 29 percent and 15 to 17 decreased by 24 percent so i know we were all watching that related to um education in in our youth in our communities um transom case rate by age group um they're diverging and case rates have decreased among zero to 44 year olds they've remained relatively stable among 45 to 64 year olds they've increased by 25 percent among 65 to 70 year old 74 year olds and 29 percent among 75 plus in the past two weeks compared to the previous two weeks and so that that divergence is important because as we talked about earlier in what you've heard us say um the likelihood of someone being hospitalized is is higher in that uh 65 plus age group and and then what we tend to see is the severity of the cases are more likely statistically um in that age group so um it's and you can see this movement here where you can see the 75 plus and then the 65 you can see where it's they're both moving opposite of what we're seeing in the other age ranges um 75 76.5 percent of the cases have a known ethnicity um only race ethnicity groups of three or more cases are displayed um we're continuing to see persistent large disparities among our Hispanic Latinx population in the past seven days 43.4 percent of the cases or 344 have been among Hispanic Hispanic Latinx and 52.5 percent of our cases are 416 have been among quite non-Hispanic one of the things I wanted to talk about on this slide is we've been working with the county and so last Tuesday we actually started um a testing site in the evenings at Lashley Street Station because we're trying to to have to create a testing site at this point once a week generally in the areas where we're seeing the cases develop so we can have easy access for members of our community and we're doing it in the evening because we understand people work and being able to test during the days is not easy um we have really hit in terms of having our bilingual staff members and cultural brokers at this location um so we have multiple people who are bilingual um to to help folks fill out the forms um I don't know how they did today last week because we didn't have a council meeting I volunteered it was not a lot of people went in but it was Thanksgiving week and um everything tended to be down I'll get a report tomorrow to see how many people went into that location we're going to continue evaluating it and we're going to continue to work with our neighborhood resources group and Carmen to really see how do we continue to engage in conversations with our cultural brokers so that we can help individuals understand the importance of testing but also what services we have available because that's one of the things that we heard so the two questions that I heard the most and I was out there is one is the testing free and two if we test positive what resources are available if we're unable to go to work so we're we're wrapping our hands and trying to improve that communication um there's there has been a decrease in the absolute and no change in the relative disparity in this population and I think this is what you're seeing in this in terms of the the Latinx population um we're not seeing as many cases but the percentage and the disparity still tending to trend in the same direction um the five-day average percent of tests that were positive is 6.2 so when you look at this this is a five-day average not the two-week average so that's where you're seeing the differences in the number at the beginning of October we're 4.7 so we're definitely seeing this move in the right direction um when you can see the in this pace this is the number of tests that we're conducting and this is the number of positive tests and you can see that we're just able to perform a lot in the sense that thousands the first benchmark the first area here versus before you would see two five hundred seven hundred um and so we're performing a lot of tests in our community we have the fairgrounds we have the site at the innovation center we have the site at lashley street that we're that we're working partnering with the county on and then you can see what that rolling average looks like and this is important this is one of the pieces that we watch really close in terms of how we're moving and that um the five-day rolling average on percent positive um and once again and this is just to show the movement really not going to focus um because there is a three-day lag between the the time a test is conducted and when the results are reported um it's we're we're still seeing that movement and we're hoping to see that continued movement in this case um again similar piece but what you're seeing is this movement here and here in the 65 to 74 and the 75 plus so here's the question hospitalizations um the data at this date is cumulative over time um most cases have not been hospitalized more severe outcomes have been seen among the older age groups which we've been talking about this is where we sit today and if you remember this early on um the staffing dial in terms of what council member or mayor bagley was talking about um we've we've always been in this green area here it's moving closer to yellow that's what we're hearing from our medical providers in terms of having staff availability um adult critical care events you can see here is in the yellow um they're doing well but we're definitely see the dial move and then the icu beds is what we were talking about in terms of the hospitals the number we had today we had 120 hospitalized in boulder county that's actually down a little bit um and we had 38 hospitalized in long line so here's what the hospitalizations in boulder county looks like um and this is not just specific to boulder county residents um this is p this is individuals that are hospitalized in boulder county um and you can see that trend in terms of what we've seen recently um again the number i had when i said 120 um this slide was presented earlier today so obviously it's not showing that decrease um and then here's a question that we're having now level purple is really the hospital surge metrics and so the metric the first metric is approaching the need for medical crisis standards of care um our boulder county hospitals are reporting that they're not approaching this um utilizing alternative care sites no critical shortages of PPE or staff um the reporting sufficient PPE two of five boulder county hospitals are reporting anticipated staff shortages and regionally 43 percent 13 of 30 um hospitals are reporting anticipated staff shortages again the conversation that we were having earlier um and then hospitals approaching 90 percent of the reported surge capacity um boulder county 19 percent of medical surgical and 17 percent of icu beds available again that's lower than where we've been one of five boulder county hospitals reporting the anticipated icu beds shortage um for transfer capability three of five hospitals report tight tight icu capability for covid patients and four or five report tight icu capability for non-covid patients meaning being able to transfer into the system um and then 46 percent of regional hospitals report um less than 10 percent icu bed availability so this is a conversation you all were having this is the data behind that conversation and then this is what it looks like in terms of colorado um the blue is confirmed um the the light gray or light brown is persons under investigation um again this is the deaths that we've seen recently um and then i included these slides so this is part of the slide deck because i think there's been a lot of conversation about the flu in covid and the similarities in terms of the clue colorado flu report we've had three hospitalizations with the flu no outbreaks in long-term care facilities no pediatric deaths and so at this point um in terms of the flu not seeing a lot of activity that's likely to go up when you look at this emergency department visits for covid related symptoms and diagnosed flu um red is covid related systems symptoms blue is diagnosed flu and then green is the total ed visit so you can definitely see once again what the hospitals are having to deal with um and then this is what it looks like in boulder county versus the other counties and again this is um as you can see for this um this is this does not include well in the data set and then finally um what jeff wanted me to share with you um in terms of the latest picture we are seeing cases stabilizing um but we're continuing to see hospitalizations increasing we're estimating one in 41 people statewide are infectious with covid 19 i actually had a question from one of the members of our community to go well what's that number for long month we don't have that um you know because they really need to look at statewide um we maybe only get something on the county level but um i haven't seen one as you know we're in red um and you have to be in those other levels for two weeks in order to level down um we are expecting to see increases in cases associated with Thanksgiving based on what we've seen in other holidays but more importantly there is hope with the vaccine and so you all may have seen before council meeting started the cdc did vote on on the distribution piece so they're looking at um to high priority populations health care hopefully beginning in late December um jeff wanted me to reiterate fall and winter is going to continue to be a challenge and we're all indoors more holiday gatherings and as we know from the data the gatherings is where we really saw the increase obviously flu mixed with it and then covid 19 fatigue um in that people need to stay diligent we're not that far away from getting the vaccine um out into our community you know we're now talking months um and at the end of the day what i will say is our individual behaviors driver outcomes how are we social distancing how are we reducing gatherings are we wearing mask and are we hand washing um because you know that's going to be critical for us as we continue to move forward i will take a breath and now answer any questions you all have dr waters yes then a question so my chair old is you might just spend another moment reflecting on uh uh what how much authority does city council or does the city of lung want have over um uh not the availability but the priorities for who gets access to a vaccine we received an email earlier today from a resident uh who had the impression that somehow we're making that decision right now to clarify for folks that's not we have no jurisdiction over who's eligible and when they're eligible no because i think so the so that's really important so obviously you heard me reference the fact that the cdc is is voting on how the vaccine is going to be distributed what they did is they solicited input from states and states solicited input from the county health department of which we had representatives on the group who communicated so what the county health departments did is they made recommendations to the state health department the state health department sent those recommendations then to the cdc and then the cdc made a decision in terms of what that disbursement is going to look like and we're getting more clarity on it every week but if you didn't catch the news what they really talked about and i think the available uh number of vaccines are 40 million but it's really 20 million people because it's a double vaccine that they have to get and they talked about frontline health care workers and people in um uh long-term care facilities and and folks go why that well because you've obviously heard me talk about the impact of the medical system but no council we do not have a direct role in that other than we do have staff contributing to the conversation all right anybody else any other questions all right let's move on to the soul smart award presentation and then we're going to take a short break as we get ready for public invited to be heard hello this is tim ellison everybody hear me yep go ahead tim thank you uh good evening mayor bagley and council members my name is tim ellis and i'm the renewable energy strategy manager um for the energy strategy energy strategies and solutions group at lpc and um here tonight because i'm pleased to present or bring before council the presentation of a soul smart silver award to long month this award provides national recognition of the city's efforts to help simplify and speed up solar installations by improving the solar permit process improvements to the solar permitting process that make it easier for residents and businesses to install arrays is one of multiple ways in which lpc and the city are progressing towards our 100 renewable energy goal in addition to the award itself one example of the national recognition we received already uh through this award is that long month there's our solar feasibility study which we have recently completed was highlighted in the most recent soul smart monthly newsletter which is great news uh before i hand over the presentation of the award i'd like to acknowledge some of the city team members who made this award possible so a big thank you to assistant city manager johnny marsh las rinandez and his team from buildings department and and lewitt's from the energy strategies and solutions group at lpc without their reference we wouldn't have achieved this success in this award today um so now i'd like to introduce nick kaza nicks uh the program manager in sustainability department for the national league of cities nick can you please go ahead and with the presentation of the award and susan if you could put up the slide that was sent over that would be great also show the what the plaque looked like it's pretty big i hope to get it in here but that is the word so nick please go ahead nick are you there i'm you there we go okay having a little trouble unmuting um good evening everyone happy to be here this evening with you all as tim did mention my name is nick kaza and i'm a program manager on the sustainability team at the national league of cities nlc is one of about a dozen organizations that administer the soul the soul smart program i'm here to present the city of longmont with their soul smart silver designation soul smart is a national designation and technical assistance program that recognizes solar energy achievements of local governments soul smart which is funded by the u.s department of energy also provides assistance to cities and counties to help them improve processes and reduce barriers to solar soul smart designated communities are recognized for making it easier faster and more affordable for homes and businesses to install solar energy as a soul smart silver design the city of longmont joins an exclusive group of 389 communities that have been designated across the united states and the city is one of 24 communities to be designated in the state of colorado this designation demonstrates the city's commitment to sustainable practices and policies and complements the city's 100% renewable energy goal by 2030 with every home or business that installs solar the city is one step closer to achieving that goal this silver designation improves longmont's sorry improves longmont's improves upon longmont's bronze designation which was awarded in 2017 using objective criteria soul smart designation is awarded to communities that have implemented nationally recognized solar energy best practices in areas such as permitting inspection planning and zoning in fact to complete the requirements for silver designation staff from the building services department reviewed an online training series about best practices for solar pv permitting and inspection longmont has also streamlined their solar permitting processes which can save time and money for customers and the city this designation is in recognition of the work that the city has done to implement solar energy policies and procedures that are transparent well-defined and documented and predictable in recognition of their silver designation longmont received the great soul smart plaque that tim was holding up earlier and as he mentioned they were also featured in the monthly soul smart newsletter on behalf of the entire soul smart team i'd like to congratulate the city and all the staff that were involved making sure that longmont received the recognition it deserves for being a leading solar community in the united states hope you all have a great evening thank you very much all right everybody is that it thank you very much we appreciate it whenever we get the cool awards like the soul smart award it's awesome so that means you're doing a good job so we like seeing that councilmember peck did you want to say something oh i just wanted i was just waving but hopefully next year thank you very much i hope next year we get the gold award we'll work on it yeah yeah congratulate them but just yeah just yeah you can do better son you can do better all right so let's go ahead and take how many people are currently on the public invited to be heard lists mayor we don't have a list we will wait when we open it up and they call in we do have a group lined up to speak on the trash item the waste services item but they've all got to call in first so all right let's go ahead and take a five minute break then be back a little bit guys all right folks if you're joining us for public invited to be heard now is the time to call in please dial the number on your screen enter the meeting id and make sure that you mute this live stream when you call and listen to the instructions on your telephone when we are ready to admit you and start the public invited to be heard process we will call on you by the last three digits of your telephone number at which time you will be able to state your name and address for the record and then you will have three minutes to speak so once again now is your time to call in please follow the instructions on your screen and mute the live stream i think that's about five right yes indeed mayor we'll pop him back on we'll just wait for councilmember christensen to come back to her chair joan to pop up we'll go for it how many are in the queue i was just trying to count i think we're we're a little over 20 all right let's start that let's start the fun looks like 19 people perhaps all right let's go ahead and start admitting them all right so give me just a moment here oops and caller number two two three caller two two three you should be able to unmute yourself state your name and address for the record and then you have three minutes caller two two three star six to unmute hi sorry molly briggs 8245 north 39th street thank you molly and did you have this video to share with us today correct we have one planet but if everyone consumed resources like we do in the united states we would need five planets worth of resources to keep up clearly that math does not add up our consumption is not sustainable once we extract natural resources to make them into products we need to maintain the value of the resources that went into making those products so we can get more in line with the limits of our one planet that's why we need to keep those resources in the production system as long as possible by recycling as much as we can we already spent tons of time and energy and money extracting and refining those natural resources into products so it only makes sense to use and reuse them over and over rather than putting them in the landfill and starting the whole process over again our first reason for why recycling makes sense is that it saves a lot of energy by adopting zero waste strategies including recycling we could reduce greenhouse gas at 400 million metric tons of co2 per year the equivalent of taking more than 20 percent of us coal fired power plants off the grid manufacturing products from recycled materials saves 30 to 90 percent of the energy needed to manufacture those products from natural resources and it doesn't require additional extraction of trees fossil fuels or metal ores making an aluminum can out of recycled aluminum saves 95 percent of the energy required to make the same amount of aluminum from its virgin source by recycling we can also reduce demands on new natural resources recycling extends the lifespan of materials reducing pressure on finite natural resources for example aluminum cans and glass bottles can be recycled indefinitely when we recycle these materials it reduces the need to extract more bauxite or silica from the earth once we have those materials we have them no need to dig into the earth for more bauxite or silica as long as we quit landfilling the valuable glass and aluminum we've already invested in here's another benefit of recycling manufacturing i'm not sure what happened there but she's got 24 seconds left so we thank you for your comments so we'll go ahead to the next caller all righty let's see here caller 192 caller 192 are you able to unmute yourself state your name and address for the record and you have three minutes fideasing i'm Naomi Curlin and my address is 2073 goldfinch court i'm a board member of sustainable resilient long month and chair of our zero waste committee some of our members are here to speak to you as well and we're very happy staff is bringing you the waste services presentation tonight our zero waste team has helped promote composting signups organized community cleanups and health events and educational presentations this past year with covid we've put on three zero waste webinars food waste and the climate connection living in zero waste lifestyle in the time of covid and a food preservation webinar we also organized a community cleanup in conjunction with the city's cleanup cleanup program in october and we plan to adopt a park through the city volunteer program in 2021 we are committed to empowering people with good information about sustainable living and that starts with our consumption impacts first i'll provide a little context colorado is one of the most wasteful states in our nation recycling only 15.9 percent of our waste less than half the national recycling rate of 35 percent and well behind our state's goal to reach 28 percent diversion by 2021 this sad reality is getting worse with all the growth for experiencing and the plastics we're consuming the data shows that boosting recycling and composting participation can provide a real boon to local economies while yielding big environmental benefits in long month we're diverting about 34 percent of our residential waste from the landfill which is better than the state average however when commercial waste is factored in we're only diverting 24 percent of the total trash generated in the long month which means we're sending 76 percent to the landfill and the saddest part is that an estimated 80 percent of what's being landfill could have been diverted through composting and recycling we can and need to do better beginning tonight you will have a huge opportunity for long month to step up and improve services to residents reduce trash generated and become a leader in our county region and state srl and our zero waste team is committed to working with the city to reduce materials to landfill and we need your leadership setting good policies to do so our zero waste team has identified three top priorities for waste services in long month one providing universal residential composting two requiring commercial recycling and three significantly improving outreach and education these priorities align with the city's sustainability plan and recommendations of climate action task force incorporating these three will make a big impact now to provide the most benefit from that climate change while empowering residents by improving services big problems call for big solutions thank you for considering some bold actions to empower the people who live work and play in long months to step up our efforts to save our precious planet thank you all right thank you next question or next next caller next caller is caller nine six two caller nine six two you should be able to unmute yourself and state your name and address for the record caller nine six two hi this is tim rodrick uh six one five Lincoln street uh long long colorado great you have three nine six two okay this is rachel zalaya i live at nine four eight road street and i'm the program hold on one second we've got let's go back to the first caller yep caller nine six two okay hi rachel zalaya nine four eight road street i'm the program coordinator at sustainable resilient long month and a member of the city's equitable climate actions team as residents of long month we're fortunate to have municipal services for our waste collection in addition to good employment municipal service provides transparency and accountability it also allows opportunities for resident input and saves us money none of that would be true with a for-profit private holler and um to prepare for this evening we've been in contact with charlie kemanides and bob allen of long month waste services both charlie and bob are to be commended for their vast knowledge commitment and excellent communication long month is the only municipality in boulder county to have municipal waste services this not only gives us the lowest rates in the county but also in the entire state our residents save roughly 30 on our monthly monthly bills compared to neighboring communities who must rely on for-profit trash hollers it also gives us a lot of autonomy concerning goals and services for instance lafayette struggles to get its many hollers to comply with any policy the city passes but in long month it's much easier to move forward on our waste diversion goals let's take advantage of that another benefit is that we only have one holler coming for our trash recycling and compost other cities have private hollers where residents subscribe to different services which can mean three to five different companies and trucks going into neighborhoods five and six days a week it's not only waste fossil fuels it causes air and noise pollution because we've got municipal services long month is now using waste service trucks powered by biogas from our wastewater treatment facility and we're the only municipality in the entire state with an every other week trash pickup option city staff is to be applauded for these cost savings innovative and environmentally friendly measures let's keep going by giving residents more earth-friendly convenient and affordable opportunities by enacting universal composting commercial recycling and robust education and outreach i look forward to hearing how the city of long want a municipal waste services will take advantage of its power to further reduce carbon emissions for our city through increased waste diversion efforts ensuring that everyone has access to composting and recycling and that we do our part to reduce the effects of climate change thank you thank you all right next caller all right caller 752 752 you should be able to unmute yourself caller 752 good evening mary headley 1615 bow and street long month i'm speaking tonight about srl's first priority which is to provide universal residential composting just as we now provide universal residential recycling by embedding a composting fee and all waste service subscriptions here's a summary of why we need more composting it reduce waste saves landfill space improves soil health boost agricultural production conserves water and helps combat air pollution and climate change roughly 40 of colorado's trash now being landfilled is organic matter such as food scraps yard waste and shredded paper all of which can be composted landfilling organics produces methane which is many times worse than co2 and causing global warming composting organics instead eliminates this problem plus when compost is applied to soil the resulting carbon sequestration fights climate change and our poor air quality top soil is enriched as compost pulls co2 from the air and stores it underground healthier soil creates plants that are more resilient to disease and drought smaller amounts of polluting fertilizers and pesticides are then needed and less water composting not only improves food production it improves our food's taste and nutritional value our grandparents knew the value of composting for their farms and we should do our part to get back to their wisdom currently longmont residents opt in for compost service this requires an extra step to do the right thing and contributes to our low participation rate of only 20 if people are informed about why composting is important and give an education how to do it and if the service is kept affordable and easy to do experts predict many more people will get on board i've been promoting citywide composting since i spoke to city council five years ago here are the top reasons people tell me they don't sign up one they don't have room for another big bin two they don't generate much organic waste and three they just don't understand what composting is all about that third point will be covered later tonight to address the first two points it would be helpful if people could request smaller bins to fit their needs if all longmont residents were to have compost service the economics could support offering bin size options to keep things simple and financially viable though our composting service should keep rates for recycling and composting constant regardless of bin size in summary a citywide composting program would provide a valuable service to longmont residents and could be structured to keep costs affordable it would also significantly improve our landfill diversion efforts and materially address our sustainability and climate change mitigation goals all right thank you thank you good good timing all right thank you all right next caller all right caller number 785 785 you should be able to unmute yourself and state your name and address for the record hello my name is ann rude and i live at the shores of macintosh lake 2450 airport road our second priority is an ordinance requiring commercial recycling which would also require compost to be collected at multi-family complexes or msc's apartments and businesses produce nearly 50 of waste in longmont most lack curbside recycling and collection and we're not presently aware of any msc's that provide compost collection requiring requiring recycling for commercial sector and msc's provides a universal benefit as Naomi mentioned due to low recycling efforts by businesses and msc's were sending 76 percent of the so-called waste generating longmont to the landfills again 80 percent of this can and should be recycled while some businesses and apartment complexes do the right thanks to their workers and residents by providing recycling collection most simply do not let's try to raise that bar in longmont and i'm i'm advocating on behalf of my fellow apartment dwellers that in addition to recycling we're also recommending that msc be required to provide the residents with compost collection i personally used to take my kitchen scraps into my office in boulder because the office provided composting services however since the pandemic i've been working at home and i have no longer been composting the convenience of having an easy way to dispose of my compost has just disappeared if i had on-site composting i could dispose of more than just kitchen scraps like the ones i used to take into my office all longmont residents deserve convenient access to both recycling and composting not just homeowners in conclusion please direct the staff to write an ordinance requiring recycling and msc's which includes compost collection at residential complexes doing so will substantially improve our landfill diversion percentages save and reduce demand for finite resources save energy save water and decrease global warming current and future longmont residents will benefit from your leadership on this thank you for this opportunity and thank you for moving along on forward on waste diversion efforts which improve residents quality of life by doing what's needed all right caller ending in seven eight two seven eight two you should be able to unmute yourself and state your name and address and you have three minutes good evening council my name is garret chapel and i live at eight seven eight elliott street much of what an brought up about multifamily complexes applies to businesses as well requiring recycling for the commercial sector as well as msc's will provide a net benefit to our community currently in colorado commercial waste collection can legally only be provided by private haulers the trash hauler lobby was unfortunately successful in getting state laws passed which prohibit municipalities like ours from providing the service to our own residents as a result they have no interest in helping to reduce the waste stream because their reality is more trash equals more money we need the intervention of this ordinance to break this antiquated mindset 50 of longmont's waste stream is commercial we simply cannot ignore the opportunity to do what's right for our community and require recycling collection as part of our commercial waste services one of the climate action task forces key recommendations for waste management is to increase person participation in residential and commercial composting to 75 percent of all homes and businesses by 2025 including a requirement that high organic waste businesses need to compost if we look around our metro area it is clear what needs to be done or Collins will require all businesses to have recycling services by 2021 and currently and currently requires all businesses to recycle cardboard and for grocery stores to compost boulder already requires all businesses to recycle and compost and additionally asks businesses to separate their own materials the president has been set for us by our neighbors and we need to step up to the plate as a community we are urging the city council to take a strong stance on this issue through an ordinance requiring all businesses to provide recycling and seize this opportunity to enact real reform in our commercial sector thank you for your time all right thank you all right next caller caller ending in 350 350 you should be able to unmute yourself good evening council my name is Jamie Ackerson and I live at 2529 mountain view out there are a couple more recommendations we're hoping you're also considered before hearing out our third priority longmont used to offer a hard to recycle day in partnership with boulder's eco cycle residents could bring their used or broken electronic items like printers computers tv's and microwaves in addition to clothing gym shoes books and other things this happened twice a year at the martin street center but it ended because it was so popular that cars were lined up on martin's in both directions causing safety concerns cost was also cited as the reason that it was suspended as well but these events were hugely successful in diverting waste now residents who want to do the right thing when disposing of these harder cycle materials must drive to eco cycle in boulder and this is not only inconvenient but it also wastes longmont residents gas time and money staff support mentions possibly extend expanding the martin street facility to accept more items but have said that this would likely involve a more move and probably to a less centralized location other options to reestablish this invaluable service might be to have more frequent events with design crowd control measures like designating who could attend by ward or trash pickup day better locations might be the fairgrounds or sanitation offices on airport the cost of partnering with eco cycle could be offset by a $10 card suggested donation perhaps eco cycle could also recruit from the 100 plus longmont eco leaders eco leader volunteers just like they did in the past to assist with directing vehicles unloading those vehicles and sorting materials to help maximize efficiency very similarly the city used to also offer a stop and drop twice a year which was an alternative to the free landfill drop off day rather than drive to eerie residents went to the facility on airport road where staff would unload vehicles and pull steel bikes stereos and many other recoverable items the resulting diversion percentages were incredibly impressive like the charm events these were also popular residents but they were discontinued due to back backed up traffic on airport road and costs so similar strategies mentioned for reinstating hardware cycle events could also apply for reinstating stop and job finally our subscription rates could use some minor tweaks to provide more financial incentive for people to take personal responsibility for the waste that they generate currently the monthly subscription for a 96 gallon trash containers $24 but if a household wants a second container they pay an additional 2160 but that's actually a 10 percent discount for producing twice as much trash some suggest larger families should receive a break on fees but we should we believe that trash should be regarded like any other volume based utility rate structure if you use more gas or water or electricity then you pay more thank you for your time for considering these recommendations in addition to our three priorities have a good evening thank you all right next caller next caller is caller 755 755 hello my name is jasmine walker and i live at 504 martin street just up the road from the waste diversion center that jamie was talking about tonight i'm going to speak about how long month measured up measures up with our neighboring communities i grew up in long months but i've lived in almost all the other cities in boulder county at some point in my life so i have direct experience with the actions taken in those communities to improve improve waste diversion it's no surprise that the city of boulder leaves the state when it comes to waste diversion households and businesses have a 50 percent city wide recycling rate boulder has seen a rapid increase of 70 17 percent in waste diversion thanks to the implementation of its universal zero waste ordinance before the ordinance boulders business sector was lagging behind and producing over twice as much trash as residents the ordinance requires that all businesses apartment complexes and homes get curbside recycling and compost collection this policy is helping boulder move towards its goal of 85 percent diversion and also addresses their climate action goals to reduce carbon pollution similarly louisville's overall diversion rate is 44 percent longmont is lagging behind at just 36 percent for residential and a mere 24 percent when the commercial sector is factored in sending two-thirds of our residential trash and 76 percent overall to the landfill is just not acceptable loveland the l town a little bit north of longmont has a 60 percent diversion rate loveland and longmont are some of the only cities in the state to have that to have municipal waste services but having these municipal waste services our subscription rates are more than 30 less than if we were to use for profit haulers when interviewed about loveland's diversion success tyler bandimer the solid waste superintendent indicated that when they developed their curbside compost and recycling program about 20 years ago they focused on providing an easy way to participate along with the pay as you throw program he explained but depending on how ardent residents are with their efforts they save money on their trash bills by selecting smaller trash containers i can personally attest to this in 2019 when i moved back to my hometown of longmont i was excited to be able to sign up to curbside compost collection and i acted for every other week trash service i have found that my bill is low even though we get the added benefit of curbside compost pickups my preference would be to offer a smaller compost container and an option for a once a month trash collection when a big portion of our waste goes into the compost bin not only is it better for the planet but you simply don't need the large and more costly garbage bins i'm glad to pay the same subscription rate to move to a once a month model but perhaps providing a bigger savings incentive would help move our diversion needle while rewarding residents who are less wasteful while we all know longmont has its own unique identity and we want to keep it that way we can touch up with our neighbors when it comes to improving waste diversion rates by adopting similar practices without having to reinvent the wheel let's set the necessary policies to improve our landfill diversion rates save resources and empower our residents thank you all right thank you all right next caller all right next caller is caller 452 452 good evening sherry malloy 2113 range bulane i'm speaking to our team's third priority again the first two are residential universal compost collection and required commercial recycling a third priority is significantly improving outreach and education efforts regarding waste reduction good ordinances needs to be paired with good outreach education and support to bring long on forward with more composting commercial recycling multi-family composting charm and stop and drop events residents will need to be well informed and well supported this must start with once again embracing the term zero waste zero waste is a set of principles focused on significant waste reduction the goal is for no trash to be sent to landfills incinerators or oceans a zero waste strategy needs to ensure everyone has access to tools to reduce reuse and recycle waste where they live work and play ordinances which result in changes to human behavior must have community buy-in to achieve success we have a world-renowned local community-based nonprofit who has been doing this work in boulder county for the last 45 years since 1976 eco cycle has been pushing the envelope to live up to their mission which reads quote transform society's throwaway ethic into environmentally responsible stewardship unquote long month's annotation any cycle work hand in hand for many years but that relationship has deteriorated over the last several years the rationale has been that long mount would address internally what eco cycle was doing with its unique improvement community engagement strategies while that is a rational and understandable approach it simply hasn't reproduced the results we need as Naomi said we're sending 76 percent of our waste to the landfill to be effective we need eco cycle eco cycle has the massive benefit of having already having done the heavy lifting of community outreach engagement education and empowerment regarding composting commercial recycling and multi-family outreach throughout boulder county and beyond with over 130 eco leaders in long month ready to help eco cycle can help move us closer to realizing our sustainability and climate action goal it's worth mentioning that it was eco cycle who was an incredible resource to myself and several other invested residents in organizing and lobbying a former city council to get our current curbside compost cat collection passed they know how to get it done and we need to get it done so let's get it done our eco zero waste apologies that that was a trip on my mouse all right sherry sherry call back in and we'll we'll give you the remainder of your time i'll admit her right now she's just in the waiting room i didn't hang up i just um give me just a sec here all right sherry are you with us sherry could you could you back up to the so sorry about that sherry could you back up to the beginning of your your last point where you said and third third rather there was a there was a you're starting a thought so go back to the the thought and start that again please to the thought no no no no what i mean is you we we dropped you you got pushed to the waiting i know i know just what i'm saying is don't pick up where you were go ahead of that i mean go back in time and start with a full thought so you're not just i see okay got it yeah okay all right so eco cycle knows how to get it done and we need to get it done they were an incredible resource to myself and several other investor residents in organizing having our former council to get our current curbside compost collection passed our zero waste team is committed to being a resource and will continue to do zero waste webinars for now and live programs when appropriate we are supporting svbsd student eco groups advocating for more green start schools in long months we're here to help we just need your leadership for not only good policy but also the right approach thank you all right thank you sherry all right next caller excellent thank you um caller 343 343 hey all right we all hit it caller 343 you can state your name and address for the record and you have three minutes okay hello my name is on a career i live on 205th avenue i'm a senior high school student and the president of walnut high school's environment club and i'm a final speaker on our zero waste team in the wake of dire warnings about the needs for immediate action on climate pollution and the equally alarming proliferation of plastic pollution in our oceans there has never been a more important time for us to double down on our commitment to protect our environment and build smart sustainable communities taking individual responsibility for waste diversion should be at the cornerstone of our commitment it is an accessible simple solution where everyone can and needs to participate people want to do the right thing it just needs to be convenient affordable and well supported by good outreach and education you have an important opportunity tonight to direct staff to work on design changes for our waste services that empower long residents to move the needle individually and collectively in the right direction to quote from the report in your council communication quote over the years city surveys have indicated that law month solid waste program is widely popular with residents law month community awareness for environmentally sound waste diversion options comes from a sense of community pride in doing the right thing it goes on to read discussions on options and programs with the community are always informed and well reasoned law month residents have continually expressed a strong willingness to pursue increasingly aggressive waste diversion techniques some resistance to program change can always be expected because solid waste programs are built upon customer habits which aren't always easy to change for that reason changes in the way services program are made only when they are built upon clear goals achievable objectives and reliable revenue projections end quote some of these clear goals we're hoping you will direct staff on include universal curbside composting required commercial recycling improving outreach and education more incentives regarding the fee structure and restoring the charm and stop and drop events to additional rather low hanging fruit for simple policy improvements include requiring zero waste for all city-sponsored events and requiring zero waste planning be included in permitting for use of public places I like to add while our group would love to go further with such things as suggesting a ban on single-use plastics and styrofoam prohibited prohibiting yard waste from residential trash we're being realistic with what we're asking for I'll end with a quote from South Council communication the benefits of recycling are unquestionable but any community seeking to reduce trash haul to landfills will need to consider programs that work on both sides of the equation solid waste recycling and solid waste reduction thank you for listening to all our remarks and especially for moving long forward to address the important issue all right thank you caller 795 is next 795 615 Lincoln street good evening city council and mayor my name is Tim Broderick I am the senior sustainability strategist focused on circular economy efforts within boulder county's office of sustainability climate action resiliency the 2019 boulder county waste composition study found that nearly two-thirds of materials sent to the landfill in boulder county could have been recovered recycling and composting these materials would have saved 245 000 tons of carbon emissions annually the equivalent of taking approximately 50 000 passenger cars off the road each year boulder county has a goal of zero waste or darn near by 2025 and is collaborating with municipalities to reach this milestone a part of that collaboration is supporting efforts by municipalities to take steps to require composting recycling at residential and commercial locations boulder county's office of sustainability climate action resiliency would likely publicly support any efforts moving towards zero waste ordinances by the city of long line through the 2020 boulder county zero waste scorecard we know that these policies have the highest impact on municipal solid waste diversion and greenhouse gas reduction if you have any questions regarding the scorecard or county circular economy programming please not hesitate to contact me thank you for your time and consideration of supporting future city program elements all right caller 209 209 you should be able to unmute yourself state your name and address for the record and you have three minutes thank you for allowing me the opportunity to be here my name is tracy whipple and I live at 19 western sky circle and i'm here to talk about my concerns with a proposed costo location like my neighbor who spoke a couple weeks ago i bought my home after consideration of the gravel operation east of martin street the gravel operation was not originally discussed disclosed by the builder so some people voiced their dismay i decided that short-term digging with mitigations was a temporary inconvenience for the long-term ponds and wetlands as described in urwin thomas development plan previous neighbors fought that plan but they were told it was a quote done deal obviously it wasn't a done deal and the city has changed their mind and decided a warehouse in our backyard is better for us than wetlands now i do support the idea of costco and affordable housing in longmont and i fully understand that this is beneficial in many ways but i do not think this proposed location is the best option and i'll offer some suggestions momentarily it was stated previously that costco stores do not have a negative impact on property values so i thought i'd test that theory i randomly selected five stores in the denver area superior sorton westminster arvada and littleton to compare homes right by the costco versus those in the neighborhood that comparison was not actually possible because none of these stores have single-family homes right by those warehouses maybe longmont planning department should review our criteria for zoning and make sure this is really what we want to do to a newly constructed neighborhood it's been stated that costco selected this location but of course that does not sound like the proud city ownership an internal locus of control that our city council has or should have for longmont in other words it is your decision not that of costco you can say no notwithstanding the moderate homes and harvest junction i don't think it's okay to locate affordable housing right next to a warehouse why would they want to live in the shadow of a massive warehouse do you want to live in such a shadow as a point of reference the nearest home and harvest junction is 634 feet to michael's whereas the proposed location of costco is only 126 feet to the watermark apartment and 380 feet to the nearest harvest junction home and it abuts the proposed affordable housing site thus far communication with council members has been about tall trees and landscaping as a barrier but there are better options that i'd like the city to consider for example could the costco be shifted east a bit allowing more room for green space between martin street and the costco or could the whole site be moved as far east as the side the walmart on 119 or somewhere in between like on the other side of the newly proposed road off of 119 the current location is not optimal for many existing residents which is probably why other cities nearby do not locate a costco adjacent to a neighborhood thank you for your time and i look forward to working with the city on an optimal solution in bringing costco to long gone right next next caller caller 255 caller 255 you should be able to unmute yourself caller 255 are you with us all right join you tonight good evening mayor bagley and members of longmont city council it's my pleasure to join you tonight to talk about my favorite topic zero waste my name is randy mormon and i'm the director of legislative and community campaigns at eco cycle as many do know eco cycle has been working with the city of longmont since 1984 with the launch of the drop-off center and curbside recycling collection one of the first in the country using volunteers and retired school buses we have come a long way and today according to our latest state of recycling and composting in colorado report longmont is ranked in the top 10 front-range municipalities for residents for recycling tiles tied at number four with lafayette a 36 percent diversion i want to recognize the hard work of the city staff the arata marker bob allen and charles coming years and getting us to this point by expanding and improving city recycling and composting services so how does the city of longmont get to be ranked in the top three what will what we have to do to have the biggest impact in both diversion and reducing greenhouse gas emissions well i have three recommendations for you one is expand the city's organic waste collection program approximately a third of our waste heads of landfills organic good waste and yard debris following other leading cities the next important step for longmont is to transition from a voluntary program to one that provides curbside compost collection to all its residents funneled as part of their waste services boulder county's plan to build an in-county compost facility will make such an expansion more economically feasible number two required businesses and multi-family complexes to recycle 66 of longmont's waste comes from the commercial sector and only 10 of that is now recycled requiring these businesses and multi-family complexes to recycle could divert nearly twice as many tons as residential programs and more specifically a universal zero waste ordinance similar to what boulder has levels the playing field for all businesses boulder citywide recycling rate has increased now 10 and the last four years as a result of his ordinance and number three require contractors to pay a recycling deposit that is returned once they show they have recycled valuable construction materials nearly a third of what boulder county sent to landfills is construction waste making it the single largest source of waste a construction and demolition recycling policy could have a big impact this is an exciting time for longmont to take the next step in zero waste as the state's front-range waste diversion fund or forward grant was launched this year and provide over 10 million dollars a year to front-range communities the city could apply for grants to pay for these new programs such as new compost carts we at eco cycle are ready to partner with the city on outreach and education to make these programs successful we also want to continue to work with the city to expand the eco cycle green star schools program the city's support is needed to maintain an active program in the 10 current schools and to expand the program to new schools we know the value of educating children and youth in zero waste and those same green star school students grow up to be recyclers and composters as adults i hope you consider these recommendations thank you for your time and work to make the city of longmont a leader in zero waste all right caller 722 caller 722 hello hi my name is manette mclean and i am the resident of longmont at sensory drive i just wanted to say quickly that um i listened to governor quomo talk about uh covid in new york and he he had a an interaction with someone who was just outraged uh at having to wear a mask and the requirement that he not allow anyone to celebrate his holiday with him and governor quomo said to the guy well i'll tell you what you go ahead and have as many people over to your houses you want to but if any of them get sick then you handle that don't bring him into our hospitals and infect our doctors and our our caregivers and of course the guy wasn't interested in doing that so it just made me think of what mayor bagley did and i just want to thank you for stepping up and i want to thank you for taking a stand on this issue i you just really um communicated all of our frustration at watching people not socially distance and wear their mask under their noses and um and realize how hard it is to go through this ourselves and how those kinds of folks are putting their own freedom above our community well welfare so thanks so much and with that i resign and thank you good night everybody you know george can stands it and just calling it calling a decade bye now just kidding all right all right uh next caller all right uh caller nine four nine nine four nine you should be able to unmute yourself hi this is ruby bowman i have comments about the riverside property 1512 left hand drive in long line city staff contends the riverside property is not a former landfill i do not think the issue has been resolved council should look further into the matter in my written comments to the planning and zoning commission for their february 19th hearing on the annexation i referred to page nine of the u.s army corps of engineer drap st range this feasibility report which identified the riverside property has a potential constraint in the study area because it was a former landfill site quote avoid landfill north of boston avenue and sunset adjacent to the st ring creek unquote i confirmed this with the army corps engineer official at the corps meeting in longmont on september 18 19 on 2019 the official told me the corps reviewed aerial photos of the property and it showed a lake or pond on the property the question in his mind was how did the lake get filled up there is no lake there now two hours before the planning and zoning hearing i received an email from the city planner stating the corps changed their mind about their landfill reference and would remove it from its final draft she wrote we will let the commission know as well tonight based on staff's emails i reviewed a public works employee contacted the army corps of engineers on the day of the planning and zoning hearing to get the landfill reference removed just because the corps removed it from its final report doesn't mean it invalidates the landfill issue i was given a copy of an aerial photo dated february 12 1976 by a longmont city official which shows a lake covering the entire riverside property the 64 million dollar question for council is how did the hole where the lake was located get filled up and what type of material was used to fill the lake i also came across a 1980 environmental health report by the boulder city county health department it was a complaint about illegal dumping on the riverside property there was a diagram on the complaint showing where cling fill and trash were deposited on the property another document i found is a 1976 letter to the state health department in which boulder city county health indicates quote rubble dumping has recently been initiated on unquote on what is now called the riverside property the landfill issue is still a viable one council should look further into the matter thank you thank you miss bowman how many collars do we have left three left mayor okay all right so caller ending in 479 479 you should be able to unmute yourself state your name and address for the record and you have three minutes caller 479 star six to unmute oh my name is michael hannon i met on 6495 grace way in broomfield i represent holly cook with respect to the request to use the quick silver road route as a transportation hauling route from the erwin thomas mine i already have previously written to several officials including mr herald domingas who i hope may have forwarded my letter on to the members of the council and first of all i'd like to congratulate mr mayor and all the other members of the council for being so concerned about the health of the area residents and this proposal certainly will affect the health of my client along quick silver road hopefully again as i say i don't want to have to read that letter into the record and that mr domingas will have forwarded it on and made it apart of tonight's record but i also want to point out one serious issue with respect to this requirement i mean to this application it is our opinion that miss cook never has received a legally required notice for this proposal and as such that we believe that this proposal really needs to go back in time to her being properly noticed so we can go forward there's no question we believe that such a proposal will seriously impact the value of a two million dollar project that she is proposing to build on this site and in addition to the negative impacts of the building itself there will also be negative impacts to the health of her family who she and most others actually suffer from asthma so anyway again i really hope that the letter will be made part of the record i've already forwarded back on to mr ratamaker who was also copied in again at the time back on october 8th of this objection and i've also contacted council for aggregate and advise council that we were willing to discuss issues with them it provided that she would talk about other possible alternatives but to date have never been contacted or had any response at this time i'd really like to thank council for its allowing me to speak before them and hope that they'll take seriously the items that have been already written into members of council both in both commission and boulder and to various staff members of the city of long line thank you for your attention all right okay next caller all right caller 602 caller 602 bingo hi my name is Heidi McIntyre i live at 1782 sunshine avenue good evening mr uh mayor bagley and city council as a concerned longtime citizen of long ma in the surrounding area your continued policies and reactions to covid 19 have compelled me to call in tonight in particular mayor bagley's behavior and comments and reactions to the weld county elected officials decisions regarding the covid 19 restrictions are both extremely embarrassing and disturbing as he mentioned in his follow-up statements on november 25th as elected officials you all take an oath to uphold the constitution of the united states colorado and local laws and yet fail to consider before speaking that the request to pursue an ordinance for denial of health care would not only cause every health worker in our city and county to violate their Hippocratic oath which includes protecting all life and to renounce self-interest in the treatment of patients but it also put local puts local residents in danger of not having critical access to health care i believe the weld county weld county response to the covid 19 restrictions as addressed by their commissioner in fact take into account the full picture for all of their residents including not only the physical health of their constituents but also the mental financial and future well-being which i believe is a major part of the picture you all are missing the city council's vision for long mot specifically states that long mot will be the world's greatest village where children are most fortunate to be born and raised elders are supported through their entire life journey and where people will have access to food shelter and everyone has the opportunity to thrive and feel they belong from my perspective your continued support of the extreme restrictions causing businesses to reduce capacity close and causing people to lose jobs is in direct conflict of this vision i would respectfully ask that you take a step back and view the forest instead of the proverbial trees i believe if you do so you will begin to better understand the unpopular stand that the weld county commissioners have decided to take and putting the overall best interest of their residents above the current fear of the covid virus in march the leadership said the end goal was to reduce the strain on the health facilities and flatten the curve nine months in i would ask you what is the real end goal considering the data published on colorado.gov all of colorado including weld and boulder county have the same one percent death rate of those that contract the virus this brings into question whether the stricter standards you all are choosing to follow is doing anything other than killing our businesses and future sustainability i sincerely hope you'll take this feedback to heart and look forward to seeing changes in your policies in the coming weeks thank you all right next caller all right caller 305 305 hi everyone my name is meghan arnold and i live at one western sky circle i'm also a member of the advisory board for the longmont museum i'm excited about the cost of development and very much in support of what it could be however i was surprised by how one side of the november 17 presentation appeared the plan as it was presented doesn't reflect the balanced visionary and responsible growth strategies i've come to expect and deeply appreciate about the city of longmont's leadership sustainable and equitable growth is the challenge of our generation and longmont is experiencing a profound moment in its history when this is attainable i'm surprised that there has been nothing shared by the city so far on its plans to balance the development with parks green space and investment schools or small businesses or in requirements for sustainable business practices i'm happy to see the development bring more affordable housing to longmont and doing so in conjunction with the costal warehouse but i am surprised that city council has not taken into consideration the benefits of a park or greenway that the benefits that would bring to those residents it shouldn't just be the wealthy residents who enjoy the greenway between the lows and the west side of harvest junctions this isn't the last time we will be discussing development along east ken pratt and i'd like to mention to all of us that sustainable growth isn't just about direct tax revenue parks and green space benefit the whole community and we all know how critical they are to both the actual and perceived value of that community the costal will be the first thing many people see when they enter longmont we have an opportunity to grow more equitably than boulder and more sustainably than fort and westminster longmont must continue to be a beautiful place to live not just a convenient place to shop or a prosperous place to work parks green space and sustainable equitable growth are not just vanity apps from residents they're an economic imperative and we have a chance in longmont to do this better and the cost of development is too impactful to ignore the vision long months residents have for their community thank you all right thank you is that it for public invite first call public invite and be heard that was all of our callers for first call all right great then uh let's go on to actually let's go ahead we do it okay can we get through the consent agenda before we take a break guys all right let's just do the consent agenda so we are going to go ahead and read it we're pulling d and i so let's go ahead and read the others mayor item nine a is ordinance 2020-65 a bill for an ordinance making additional appropriations for the expenses and liabilities of the city of longmont for the fiscal year beginning january 1st 2020 public hearing and second reading scheduled for december 15th 2020 nine b is ordinance 2020-66 a bill for an ordinance amending chapter 3.04.610 paid holidays designated of the longmont municipal code on personnel rules public hearing and second reading scheduled for december 15th 2020 nine c is ordinance 2020-67 a bill for an ordinance amending chapter 14.08 of the longmont municipal code by adding section 14.08.647 to allow for adjustment to wastewater billing for commercial and industrial use of cooling water public hearing and second reading scheduled for december 15th 2020 nine d is ordinance 2021-01 a bill for an ordinance conditionally approving the riverset annexation generally located north of boston avenue and east of sunset street and zoning the property mu e mixed use employment public hearing and second reading scheduled for january 12th 2021 nine e is ordinance 2020-69 a bill for an ordinance designated the james and francis wiggins house at 534 emory street as a local historic landmark public hearing and second reading scheduled for december 15th 2020 nine f is ordinance 2020-70 a bill for an ordinance authorizing the city of longmont to lease the real property known as vance brand municipal airport hanger parcel nh-t2 to klm o hanger gang llc public hearing and second reading scheduled for december 15th 2020 nine g is ordinance 2020-71 a bill for an ordinance repealing and reenacting chapter 11.04 of the longmont municipal code regarding the model traffic code and adopting the 2020 addition of the model traffic code for colorado by reference public hearing and second reading scheduled for december 15th 2020 nine h is resolution 2020-128 a resolution of the longmont city council approving the intergovernmental agreement between the city and the department of navy for a cooperation with civilian law enforcement officials agreement nine i was pulled from the agenda nine j has approved the 2021 city council meeting schedule all right uh calisbury martin um i move the consent agenda except for d and i calisbury christensen oh okay i was going to call i was going to pull d two so all right then we'll go ahead and take that as a second is that okay councilmember christensen all right so it's been moved by councilman martin seconded by councilmember christensen any debate on this obviously not because it's a consent agenda all right all in favor say i all right i oppose say nay all right the consent agenda passes unanimously let's go ahead so everybody who is currently listening to this live stream uh if you would please go ahead and call in now i don't care what ordinance on second reading you'd like to talk about go ahead and call in now so we will go ahead and take a three minute break and then when we come back we'll go through and we'd like to have you ready online listening to the live stream when we go ahead and open up each ordinance on second reading for public public hearing so go ahead and call in now please we'll take a three minute break we'll be back in three all right folks this is um public hearing time to call in for public hearing on any of these agenda items here once again dial the number on your screen enter the meeting id and please remember to mute the live stream when you call and listen to the instructions that are on your telephone and uh we will call you by the last three numbers of your telephone number at which point you will be able to speak all right everybody we all back all right we're all back let's go ahead and start with ordinance those under ordinances on second reading along with the public hearings we're going to go ahead with ten a ordinance 2020-59 a bill for administrative ordinance proving the grant of a deed of conservation conservation easement engrossed from the city of longmont to the longmont conservation district on the newbie farms open space property um councilmember christensen i move ordinance 2020-59 i'll second it let's go ahead and add the public hearing and then we're going to redo that motion if that's okay all right so let's go ahead and open the public hearing on ordinance 2020-59 all right so uh i believe it is star nine to raise your hand if any of our four callers on the line would like to speak on a please star nine to raise your hand anybody all right mayor i do not see anybody raising their hand all right we'll go ahead and close the public hearing we have a motion from councilmember christensen i seconded it we'll give the second to susie um any further debate on this issue all in favor say aye aye aye opposed say nay the motion carries unanimously ordinance item 10 b ordinance 2020-60 the bill for nornton's authorizing the city of longmont to lease the real property known as vance brand municipal airport hangar parcel h-14b the craig nelson let's go ahead and open the public hearing on ordinance 2020-60 hit star nine if you'd like to raise your hand anybody okay not seeing anybody let's go ahead and close the public hearing do we have a motion councilmember christensen i move ordinance 2020-60 second all right it's been moved by councilmember christensen second by dr waters all in favor of ordinance 2020-61 say aye all right it's like 2020-60 let's go aye still all right everybody all right nay all right ordinance 2020-60 passes unanimously ordinance 2020-61 item 10c bill for nornton's authorizing the city of longmont to lease the real property known as vance brand municipal airport hangar parcel h-dust-37 through robert singer let's go ahead and open the public hearing on ordinance 2020-61 all right seeing nobody let's go ahead and do a motion we're gonna go ahead and close the public hearing sorry motion councilmember martin yeah i'm assuming that was a motion right i said i moved 10c oh okay i'll second it all right any further discussion debate saying none all in favor say aye aye opposed say may all right ordinance 2020-61 passes unanimously let's go on to uh so i want to just flag anybody who wants to talk on this issue this is uh item 10d number one two three four five and six we're gonna have the public hearing all at the same time but then we're gonna go ahead and vote on these individually so we're gonna go ahead and wait about 60 seconds that if you want to talk on anything pertaining to item 10d the cosco economic development set up an associated agreement and purchase of nine acres for the development of affordable housing we would ask you to call in now darn nine to raise your hand if you wanted to speak on 10d anybody we have a couple of callers who have raised their hand for this all right why don't you go ahead and call them then pursuant to their last last four digits and we'll go from there great so caller ending in one three two you should be able to unmute yourself and uh you have three minutes caller one three two star six to unmute all right let's try caller four three zero caller four three zero you should be able to unmute and state your name and address for the record and you have three minutes i thank you for hearing me today my name is holly cook the address for me is one two five two five quick silver road um i am calling in tonight because i am highly opposed to the agreement for aggregate industries to use quick silver road as a shortcut um i do know that they were already approved to use um kenpratt highway which is much better equipped it has the correct infrastructure um i purchased uh three and a half acres on quick silver about a year ago um primarily because it was on a quiet unpaved country roads surrounded by farmland um that is predominantly county open space and as you can imagine the appeal of that was it's a quiet country location i am well into working with architects engineers um uh site plan review the whole process um and was accidentally informed of this potential for aggregate to use quick silver road quick silver road is not really even wide enough for two cars to pass each other it's not paced it's not rated for heavy weight traffic and i am very concerned about how it will affect my plans for my family home having my children on this road with hundreds of trucks on it every day um a couple of us have serious allergies and asthma so i'm looking at issues with dust being picked up all day i'm concerned about my teenage sons being you know learning to drive and being on this road with big heavy gravel trucks every day um i'm concerned about my only neighbor who has lived on this road for decades who are entering retirement age and love to be outside that's one of the things i'm looking forward to with this new home is being able to spend time in the peaceful outdoors which is the opposite of 300 gravel trucks every day passing my house i did hire an attorney um he called in earlier um i guess it wasn't the appropriate time i'm i think you might be calling back um and we have made multiple attempts to communicate a lot of concerns about this issue and tried to get some communication going um and really have been stone walled to be quite honest um there's nothing i can do with somebody who won't talk with me and try to work out some solutions um i have proposed alternate routes or suggestions and i really think that if aggregate was really concerned about environmental protection there are other mitigation measures they could take um and then possible other locations thank you for time good timing thank you all right next caller or public invited to be heard on tendy the cost of economic development incentive all right let's try caller 132 again are you able to unmute yourself caller 132 excellent hello you can state your name and address for the record and you have three minutes thank you very much my name is michael gundersen and i live on uh quick silver road one two three three five quick silver road and uh not used to going on virtual here but uh so please excuse me if i mess it up anyway uh it's an honor to talk to you uh people and uh i was told that back uh well six months ago from james uh i think it was michael thomas that came over and met with me and julie at our home and told us that uh we had the right to deny the uh use of aggregate industries using our road and as you know to drive 300 trucks down in a day to transport the dirt over to the other process and plant so we are greatly you know we're begging you not to use uh not to allow them to do this uh we haven't uh i'm kind of shocked because no one contacted me and this is um uh just heard about it but i i represent 100 of the people living on quick silver road and i represent probably most of the people that are using the bike path the wonderful bike path uh the city of uh longmont put in that goes to the sandstone ranch and you know me and my wife uh yeah i've been a member i've been a small businessman in in boulder and longmont for 50 years now so probably worked on every neighborhood there is in in boulder and working on working on many many neighborhoods in longmont too but anyway uh we just beg you not to uh approve this resolution to use our road to uh transport all that dirt it would not work for us you know i have asthma and my wife is uh she can't go nowhere because she has macular degeneration and have 300 trucks go down our road and we have 12 grandchildren that come over all the time and we wouldn't you know you would be destroying our family so anyway uh thank you so much for your time and i just uh hope you do the right thing and and uh but please let us know what's going on because no one's contacted us just like harley had called a little while ago no one's contacted us they offered to you know give us money and we didn't talk to the people because we you know we were told that we didn't you know have to uh sell out but they offered to put up a 10 foot fence in front of our house and maybe replace our windows but we don't want we just want to live here in peace and quiet and maybe uh i don't know i just thank you for your time and i'll let you get on you guys are wonderful that you put up with all these people talk on and i've uh never witnessed this before so anyway have a good evening and put a smile on your face thank you very much for your time bye thank you um so before we get going dale so my question is i recall an email saying that before we go through each of these ordinances i mean one of the questions i have for i don't want to start approving ordinances and they get to a point where we've approved something that we need they're all kind of together so i figure out now did we contact these people because i saw that we tried if they didn't respond and i'm not hearing that i who owns the road um what's going on uh do we have to let aggregate use it what's the consequences if we say no should we say no um because if they're the only people on this is a i just feel like we're about ready to bully a family that doesn't want this and it sounds like it's their road is that true so what i'm mayor bagley and mayor bagley members of council uh dale rada maker deputy city manager um i'll also offer to have jim instead the director of uh engineering speak to you as well uh jim was the city staff member who did talk with the gundersons um earlier this year um and then he had several attempted discussions with them following that um and as i recall uh from jim uh was was told and pretty much no uncertain terms um they didn't want to discuss it any further they they just didn't want it to happen and refuse to have any further discussions with the city staff on that matter um we simply um so so frankly it's very difficult to have a discussion with someone who who will not um have that discussion um secondly this is a boulder county um public road so it is not a private road it is a public road under the maintenance and care of boulder county which is why the iga is in front of the council this evening the city negotiated with boulder county on the various aspects of the intergovernmental agreement that is intended and to address and mitigate uh many of the potential issues that may impact the two adjacent private property owners things that are in the iga are things such as grading the roadway so that it is safe for truck traffic lowering the speed limit on the roadway putting in dust mitigation frequently to prevent dust and then uh putting up a traffic light a temporary traffic light at the intersection of quick silver road and 119th what's important i believe for us all to know is that the use of quick silver road has been the desire of the city for some time predating any issue with the cosco development uh and in fact we entered into discussions with boulder county as far back as 2018 on the issue the reason we believe it is the preferred route is that we believe the intersection of 119th and and kenpratt boulevard is a very dangerous intersection with very high speeds and high traffic volumes and when you have left turn movements being made as the trucks return back to the mine we believe that's an incredibly dangerous situation on top of that the quick silver route is by far the shortest route between a and b uh resulting in a significant reduction of greenhouse gas generation um which which we all know is is part of what we're all trying to do to be more sustainable in in in an operation and so we had months and months of discussions with boulder county on the matter the county also indicated that it was their desire that financial mitigation also be provided to the two private property owners that is included in the iga as well as the agreement between the city and aggregate industries uh it's a it's a sum of 180 000 to each of the property owners that was an amount that uh so we have come up with that amount so if they don't own the road boulder county is paying each of these property owners 180 000 what are they paying 180 000 for so boulder county is not paying it aggregate industries will be paying them 180 000 and i believe it was the um desire of boulder county to attempt additional mitigation for their county residents again the these two residents are outside of the city limits they are county residents and the county uh felt that was an appropriate step to take as well so and they they could use the road even if they didn't pay the 180 000 right um in my opinion the use of the public road um certainly is available without having to pay for instance it is not the practice of the city of longmont when we are doing construction activities or using uh any city street or public road to pay the adjacent neighbors to do that work or to use that public right away councilman martin yes thank you mayor bagley um i understood from the packet uh that uh this amount of compensation of 180 000 um was actually worked out uh as proper with one of the residents who then later changed their mind uh dale is that correct mayor bagley and councilmember martin that's correct we received an email from holly martin holly cook excuse me not martin holly cook um earlier this year uh stating that 180 000 um was um what was needed or adequate to fully mitigate the impacts of the road hauling on her and her project and her property so there was a letter saying no pay us 180 000 boulder county said i agree to pay it they paid it and we're here okay here bagley it hasn't been paid yet um my point is they're willing they're going to pay it if we proceed correct okay joan sorry councilmember back mayor if i might jump in for just a moment pardon me sorry we do have still a couple callers uh public comment on this item there's one more we have not closed the public okay just don't want to miss those thank you thank you councilmember peck oh my question about the 180 000 is there there is no non-disclosure agreement or uh agreement that they can never complain about this road again if they uh if they accept that money it's not a buyout is it mayor bagley and councilmember peck there is a requirement in the agreements that they would assign a waiver to not sue or take further litigation against aggregate the county or the city of longmont okay they can if there's issues and they're concerned with it they can still communicate because that's part of the agreement with the county is resolving those issues if they come into play in in it too so it doesn't eliminate them bringing issues to the attention of the county in the city oh good that's what i wanted to know to make sure that that they weren't just shut out completely thank you mayor pro tem did you raise your hand thank you very badly uh my question is uh before the the cosco project came online obviously we know this land was was slated to be mined uh was quirk silver considered to be the route at that point as well uh mayor bagley and and mayor pro tem rodriguez um what the haul route said on the approved mining plan that was approved by both boulder county as well as the state um it did not eliminate quik silver road but it did not designated as the route either what it said was that um truck traffic from the point where it enters 119th street could not go south it needed to go north and so um it did not limit it uh prevent quick silver however quick silver um currently has a weight weight limit on it from boulder county that is also being um removed as part of the agreement again between the city and the county that would then allow quick silver road to be a haul route so essentially it was not designated but was never fully say taken off the table of options correct and noting the what the city staff has said about efficiency of movement of the trucks that would likely have been explored anyway for the general uh mining operations that were to take place before we had changed before the uh cosco project came on board that that and to to be clear to dale's point back to 2018 we had been communicating with the county that we did not like the idea of putting 300 trucks at the intersection of 119 in camp rap because of the safety issues associated with it and what we've seen at other intersections in terms of wrecks at high speeds on those roads and so we we had been communicating with the council or with the county that we didn't like the idea of all the movements that were occurring at an unsignalized intersection okay so that brings me to a second point I guess in the sense that as we brought up objections to the use of highway 119 for these trucks that didn't necessarily mean that they weren't going to use highway 119 it's just that's the city's objection to it similar to this concept of the use of quick silver as these resident the residents as well as property owners object to it but cannot necessarily prohibit the use of the road similar as we probably couldn't prohibit trucks from using highway 119 we can just uh state objection and hope for a favorable decision is that accurate I believe that's correct mayor pertin all right that's it for now thank you all right let's continue then with the public invited sorry the public hearing on this matter how many more callers do we have mayor there's two callers give me just a moment here we are working on reviving our live stream okay looks like we're back online um caller ending in 479 479 you should be able to unmute yourself and state your name and address and you have three minutes yes I would like to beg councils yeah I like to beg councils uh uh pardon and that I may sir we're having a hard time hearing you again you begged our pardon and then you went away call our 479 can you unmute yourself again and give it another shot can you hear me we can hear you now go ahead okay thank you I like to beg councils pardon and I may have jumped the gun earlier in the first call michael hannon uh attorney 16495 grazeway brimfield colorado and I would like to add on uh to miss cook's statement uh sir we lost you again um what I'm going to do though you're feel you're free to continue to try try but um for the record I'm going to go ahead and make a note if you could put in the notes uh this particular caller I believe he made the comments during the the first call public invited to be heard did you make a note in the notes um to go back and refer to his comments okay am I back now you're back now yep let's try one more time but we're gonna go ahead okay I'm sorry okay no what I was gonna say is before you start the comments that you made at the beginning of the meeting I'm instructing our our clerk to make a reference saying that your comments in the beginning need to be added here so that it's part of okay record okay but go ahead you've got your thank you so much let's try okay I don't really I don't even need all the three minutes but the bottom line is that uh I'd like to add on to the issue of this 180 thousand dollars that that was never at least in my letters never offered as a settlement for aggregate to go forward with this uh in fact I specifically stated there were other concerns that that would not cover and I also included Mr. Rademacher I also sent letters to the attorney for aggregate that uh the uh offer was not an offer and should not be considered an offer in any way because of these other considerations and uh let's see and again this issue of the notice Ms. Holly Cook did state I believe correctly that she accidentally found out because the discussion was made with the neighbor and not her we believe that adequate notice has not been yet officially provided for this project and therefore should not go forward and should not be approved at tonight's meeting until that has been further investigated uh with respect to anything else that I might add I think Ms. Cook uh did a pretty good job in in stating what her objections were and I would again appreciate the letter of October 8th being entered into tonight's meeting on the record I think it fully explains our position on this matter and that being said I thank the council for hearing me and again uh certainly thank them for their concerns over health and the environment and uh I do think that the letter will fully explain that this 180 thousand by the way if you read it in that agreement what I say the lord giveth sometimes the lord taketh away because right in the paragraph just below that 180 thousand it basically says that that money is not available or budgeted then all the parties are relieved from their obligations so that clause with respect to the 180 thousand could become very meaningless and therefore I think needs further investigation as well with that being said I thank council for uh it's uh listening and uh we'll certainly impose upon them to please not pass this resolution or this amendment to the uh original uh use of this property or this road and not do it until there's further investigation into this matter thank you all right uh thank you so just sort of curious do we have a copy of that letter you have it all right we have it we can enter it in the record which which letter the he said his October 8th letter that he sent to the city I think he's also sent the same letter to the council members you all have received that right but can we make sure that it just gets put into the minutes tonight as part of the public hearing correct let me forward that to yeah I will forward that to Don to be included in the in the record okay great all right next caller all right the final caller that we have here is ending in 633 guest 633 you should be able to unmute yourself guest 633 are you able to join us star 6 to unmute hi hello hello we can hear you go ahead and state your name and address and you have three minutes oh Mary Ann Regai um I've met 70 21st Avenue uh Aspen Meadows senior apartments in long line um I don't know I'd be asked to speak so soon so it's only five to ten but anyway um I'd like to bring up if I may um what was discussed at the beginning of the well near the beginning of the meeting about the um uh map the um virus spreading in um uh Boulder County in Boulder in Longmont and all the towns apparently here in Boulder County um the issue for Mary Ann I'm going to have to ask you call back at the end of the meeting okay I don't know why she um I don't know why she asked me to speak now so I apologize the only reason I'm doing that is I don't want to begin um we'd love to hear from you we always love to hear from you but if we if we allow thank you I just want to make sure that we don't have people starting to call in to try to cheat the system by addressing their other concerns when we're we're talking no that wasn't mine I wasn't sure why Mary Ann you're you're awesome we love hearing from you but if you could call back thank you last call public invited be heard that would be awesome okay I will thank you so much all right thank you all right bye bye all right bye bye okay so any other debate as we we'll just go uh mayor for them uh thank you very badly I just actually first uh clarification since we have to take these one at a time in essence uh would you like our comments to be specific to each one or would would you like us let's let's just go let's just go one at a time and then okay if somebody has an issue about that specific one my my bigger my overall concern as we get going is uh Dale uh can you my my question is are we gonna if we approve all but one is it gonna screw everything up the answer is yes and then the next question I have as we proceed forward is there any chance whatsoever that we need to go back and give notice and if we do have to go back and give notice to start the process over in order to comply with law what do we ever have Eugene address that Eugene here in council Eugene may uh city attorney uh I'm unaware of any notice this is an IGA with Boulder County in an agreement with aggregate industries these are properties that aren't in the city of Longmont these are Boulder County properties with a Boulder County road I don't know any obligation that the city would have to provide property owners notice okay so that's it this is a bullet till rightfully so what they should go to Boulder County and discuss this issue with them if there's notice that's what we're hearing okay all right let's go it councilmember peck so just so as we vote on these just so I understand this is only an IGA for maintenance of this road and it is not for use of the road is that correct mayor vaguely and councilmember peck I would describe it as it is an IGA that is being entered into with the county uh contemplating the use of the road as the haul route for the money and I don't know if that answers your question but that's the underlying outcome of it it includes the various mitigation efforts to address any impacts that that might result from that use of hauling for that interim time while the mining is occurring okay so if I can kind of help on this it is a Boulder County road that is open to use by the public because of the weight limit issue Boulder County had to authorize the use of the road and in authorizing the use of the road they said here's what we want you to do and what to look at in order for us to let you use the road so the IGA is with Boulder County allowing aggregate industries to utilize the road of which the county commissioners approved this morning uh mayor protel thank you mayor vaguely my my comments actually are specific right now to uh ordinance 20 20 62 the first item underneath the costco list and it was that we received obviously various emails and have been receiving various emails from the folks in harvest junction one email characterized my comments the other week as trying to guarantee some sort of specific greenway buffering between the neighborhoods and the development that wasn't the impetus behind my comments my comments are really that this process is so early that we can't make any sort of judgments or guarantees based on that because it has not truly gone through the development process that the city has and that's why I made the comments I did is that it will go through that that city process it will have the time to have community you know community meetings between the developers and the community and our city staff and for there to be comments and to be input about greenways and parks and the siting of things as well as with the affordable the proposed affordable housing the city is taking on that's obviously even closer to the vest for us as the city in the sense that we have much more control over the design as well as the process of that because we are the the property owners as the city and so there will be a lot of opportunity for the community at harvest junction to weigh in and to give their input for both developments because they are separate not to mention obviously the the pieces that the goldens are are retaining so all of those things will have to go through our development process which is a ways down you know down the road as I think was indicated by the timeline where we're not even expecting this thing to be fully constructed until I think I heard 2022 at this point I think that was one projection that was said so I just wanted to clarify that I'm not guaranteeing parks and greenways I'm just guaranteeing input will there be plenty of opportunity for input by the community great points great points mayor pro tem Rodriguez councilman martin yeah I'd also like to talk about that because what I think the mayor pro tem can guarantee what we all can guarantee is that the same process that any other building project gets in terms of land use planning zoning and approval will be applied in this case so we're not absolving Costco of having to meet our building codes our land use codes are the obligation to conduct public hearings all that is still in the future and you know when there is uncommitted land in in at any point adjacent to your property those processes can apply to the land adjacent to your property and that's just the way it is all right let's go ahead then and run through some ordinances all right let's start with 10d1 ordinance 2020 we'll go ahead and close the public hearing for item 10d let's go ahead and run through the run through each one so 10d1 ordinance 2020-62 bill for an ordinance probing a public private partnership agreement among diamond g concrete company Costco wholesale corporation in the city of Longmont in furtherance of development of a Costco membership warehouse i'm going to approve the ordinance 2020-62 well warehouse facility affordable housing and additional commercial retail uses we have a motion by dr waters we have a second by council member christensen or was that council member back no it doesn't matter all right we'll go with council member christensen all right seeing no further debate or discussion all in favor say aye aye aye opposed say nay ordinance 2020-62 passes unanimously all right uh item 10d2 ordinance 2020-63 a bill for an ordinance emitting title for the Longmont ministry code on revenue and finance by creating the harvest junction east special revenue fund do we have a motion i will i will council member martin yeah i'll move uh 2020-63 that's moved moved by uh by uh doc martin moved by council member martin and it was seconded i think by council member peck by a way of her hand first but with all due respect dr waters so we'll go ahead and all in favor say aye aye opposed say nay all right ordinance 2020-63 passes unanimously item 10d3 ordinance 2020-64 bill for an ordinance making additional appropriations for expenses and liabilities the city of longmont fiscal year beginning january 1 2020 do we have a motion dr waters i'll move i'll move hang on a second i'll move approval of ordinance 2020-64 i'll second all right it was moved by dr waters seconded by uh council member doggie faring all in favor of ordinance 2020-64 say aye aye opposed say nay all right ordinance 2020-64 passes unanimously item 10d4 resolution 2020-130 a resolution of the longmont city council approving the intergovernmental agreement between the city and boulder county concerning use maintenance and repair of quick silver road it um uh do we have a motion i'll move approval i'll second that so it was moved by dr waters seconded by myself all in favor of resolution 2020-130 say aye aye opposed say nay all right resolution 2020-130 passes unanimously uh item 10d5 resolution 2020-131 a resolution along of the longmont city council approving an agreement and revokeable permit with aggregate industries w say our ink for maintenance of quick silver road and access to north 119th street we have a motion i will move resolution 2020-131 thank you was moved by myself and seconded by council member martin all in favor of resolution 2020-131 say aye aye opposed say nay resolution 2020-131 passes unanimously and finally 10d6 resolution 2020-132 a resolution along what city council authorizing loans from fund balance the city's fleet fund the harvest junction east special revenue fund and the affordable housing fund and providing for repayment of the loans from the harvest junction east special revenue fund and the affordable housing fund councilmember christensen 2020-132 all second was moved by councilmember christensen it was seconded by council member y'all councilmember y'all the fairing all in favor of resolution 2020-132 say aye aye opposed say nay all right resolution 2020-132 passes unanimously we've got no items removed from the consent agenda let's move on to general business herald the times years to discuss a long-winded waste services councilmember christensen we removed item d yeah but we removed it we removed it from do we remove it from discussion tonight did we not staff removed it completely no mayor that was item d on general business item d on consent was removed by councilmember martin ah okay we'll go ahead and i was i was under the i got those confused so d is back on the books so let's go ahead and proceed councilmember martin and councilmember christensen what do you want to talk about with number d um what i didn't move any remove anything from the consent agenda i i asked that that ah okay councilmember christensen oh i think d did get removed it did get removed so yeah so do we want to do we want to discuss this or yes okay go ahead councilmember christensen okay um well um we all got a copy of the uh environmental report which uh john peck councilman peck um asked for and uh i find this really very interesting i'm looking at the summary and there are many many i'm looking at pages four through six on this summary from 1915 and 2015 march of 2015 um and there are nine uh recommendations or nine summary items and uh i'm not going to read them all because i'm not going to but i assume that most of you read them and it worries me because i don't know who's going to be sure that you know this um was passed the planning and zoning board conditional upon them with the condition that they do some that they have an environmental report and that they do some mitigation i'm wondering who's going to be sure that they do this because there are very serious problems having to do with um it says here we believe these concerns can be the site presents challenges for the plan development the geotechnical concerns include undocumented compressed fill shallow groundwater erosion and scour we believe these concerns could be mitigated with proper planning engineering design and construction um concerns associated with existing fill may influence land use so there are a number of very serious things having to do with uh flood potential groundwater because it used to be a lake um landfill which is going to cause subsidence these are you know we i think this is going to be a very good development or it could be a very good development i'm worried about the people who are buying into this development though we want what is built here to be good quality and not cause problems for homeowners if there is they're talking about three uh to three and a half inches of potential sediment for new fill heights of six feet with no building loads um but when you put a building load over that um they're suggesting that they need to have either deep foundations anchored in bedrock or shallow foundations foundations after fill removal um and suggesting under drain systems i mean this is you know very challenging and i'm sure that the people building this know that but i am just i want to make sure that somebody is going to be monitoring this mitigation and that we're not going to be building stuff that's going to start sinking leaking uh causing all kinds of problems and also once they start working on building this leaking leaching um things into the ground into the river that are uh toxic or damaging to the to the um wildlife there uh both at the site and further down the site because you know it's a beautiful river so um i'm wondering who's going to who's going to be sure that this stuff actually does get mitigated in the way that it's suggested by this uh our mcs report uh yes good evening mayor council members eva pehejewski planning and development services we're processing the annexation entitlement application with our team tonight we have uh chris huffer from public works who reviewed the environmental reports as well as josh sherman who's the project manager for the resilient st rain project um we also have um the applicant and the property owner here david starne's and david wildner here as well to answer any questions you may have but in general your general question is who will over make sure that these are taken care of certainly that's the that's the purpose of our public works and our building safety department in plan review um again this is not a development application it's annexation so um at the time of development application they would be required to give us a brand new geotech report update their environmental reports and our public works engineers would ensure that all of the buildings and all of the design meet city standards and don't harm the environment um certainly chris is here he's reviewed some of the environmental reports again josh is here if you have any questions about uh the resilient st rain project paulie does that answer your questions enough well so given that this was a lake because you know what's left of it is uh isaq walton punt um uh and that there's a lot of uncompressed fill which is true all up and down the river it was you know for years just a dumping ground that's the way people thought about rivers but um how far down is the bedrock if people want to build on that how far down is the bedrock because that could be extremely expensive if they have to go all the way down to bedrock to build a foundation uh mayors and members of council chris hopper with public works engineering um to try and answer your question uh the geotech report indicates that bedrock is somewhere between eight and 15 feet oh the surface now um and that this is not necessarily an unusual event as you indicated um but as we move forward with the development he has will certainly be looking for uh as ava indicated a new geotech report with uh more specific recommendations for how they'll address these issues um and it'll be up to the developer to decide if they are going to over excavate and remove a lot of that material and build it back up or if they're going to try and put peers down to to bedrock as he indicated um and um well we did a lot of a lot of flood mitigation all along there after the report came out or I don't know whether it was after 215 or before because it was around 213 that the flood came so are we comfortable with the um the flood mitigation study and uh the flood mitigation work that we've done which will now be maybe somewhat disturbed by any new development there so go ahead here I'm sorry no oh oh Dale so the only work we've done in that location is actually sunset as we're moving oh for the bridge we've got to move up with the project and so Isaac Walton is actually the area that we're working on with the army core and then the next phase is where we get into that piece and that's what Josh oh okay okay so we just worked around the bridge okay did it Dale did I get it I'm trying to not drag this further but that is correct the and the army core is certainly aware of any potential issue their final design will take that into account which they're getting underway with at this point I also recall and I believe within the last year or so that additional um onsite geotech explorations were done based on some questions that we all had at that time as well um and am I correct on that Ava and Chris sorry can you say that again Dale I believe last year or so when we had questions about the pending annexation public works requested that that the developer conduct additional onsite geotech borings in order to ascertain whether or not there was any potential for uh contamination or other issues uh within the area and um I was the official that Ruby Bowman met with and I did provide her the information that showed that this property had been previously mined and obviously subsequently refilled um but I'm trying to remember if that if I'm remembering that correctly Chris yes um there was some additional work done I can't remember exactly when it occurred but there were additional borings that were out there that confirmed the ascertainment that the site has been filled with sand and rubble material or used or it's uh used concrete um and so in looking at that report that that confirmed that they had not found any landfill type material other than the sand and gravel and that type of material at that point in time and it was consistent with the ascertainment of it being a pond at one point in time being higher at both ends and lower in the middle and that's what we looked at at that point in time thanks Chris that that was what I recalled all right we're going to go with councilman martin and are we close to having our ankle I guess we have a lot of questions councilman martin and councilmember waters the councilmember you thought it looked very in a council member effect I was my hand that was just restraining my cat well thank you uh councilmember waters uh the eastern edge of this property obviously it is along the same brain um how is it classified in our red yellow green uh uh I don't know uh tiers or categories with respect to the sES my assumption is that would be red uh David Dell could probably respond to that councilmember waters or don good evening mayor vaguely uh councilmember waters dombershop planning manager so the uh st brain river is all identified as green on our maps so I turned it around and don i'm sorry it was in the category where we would we would be applying the 150 foot setback this this falls into that that this falls into the hundred yeah I I flipped I flipped our color code I apologize that's okay um and so if there were any variances needed with the development of this property it would fall under the sES and city council would be the decision maker on any variances for non conformance to the standards is there any bit any discussion about the donation from the property owner the donation of that 150 foot setback to the city I am not aware of any councilmember waters um I know that as part of our development review we typically look at getting our minimum dedications for the greenway that are required by the land development code to be given to the city when they plough the property um but I'm not aware of specific negotiations Ava or the public work staff may be but I I am not in any of that um as you go through that process in terms of the what would be donated to the city to maintain the greenways would this fall into into that uh not I guess provision or or consideration so mayor bagley councilmember waters is part of the annexation typically on the concept plan we identify the areas that are going to be dedicated to the city the greenway is one of those areas we would be identifying typically the width of that that would be given to the city by code and then at time of platting we would solidify the design and the dimensions of that property that are going to be dedicated to the city is open space for the greenway again I'm not aware of uh specifically what that distance is Ava may uh yes thank you don mayor and council members councilmember waters uh there is a no on the concept plan that does say that they have to provide the 150 foot greenway buffer so that is a no on the concept plan and then if this were annexed and they come in with the development application that is where we would fine tune the details of that land area and the dedication on the plant do you consider that then a don't that they would be required to donate that 150 that whatever that whatever the footage is obviously the 150 foot but to comply with uh what we need for greenways yes we call it a dedication but it's same thing yes all right thank you all right who was next councilmember dial affairing mayor uh actually uh councilmember peck and then mayor pro ten thank you mayor bagley I do I do have a couple of questions but um I just want to state that I thought that the environmental study in 2015 was very fun reading um they didn't really inspect the land they just scared at it from uh outside offense and then anecdotally asked other people what they thought of it and I I thought it was surprising that nobody asked the golden family about that lake and and their drilling operation so that was quite fun reading um and I do want to thank Justin McClure for at least in his presentation he gave aerial maps so that you could actually see the lake um so my other my one question is that the city purchased a portion of that land is that correct so was that was that purchase for the resilient st frame st rain uh construction or remediation whatever you want to call it or was it um well to comply with the fact that an annexation has to uh about city property uh councilmember peck it was uh specifically for the resilient st rain project uh because we had critical timelines for getting our funding from fema and um I believe josh can answer those questions specifically uh but we they were in a time crunch so the city had to acquire that piece yes and that was for rsv all right that's what I wanted to know but I do have concerns number one uh that we do not have a concept plan with this annexation and the reason is the very first public meeting that I went to there was a concept plan with uh with a restaurant near uh st with near the st rain and some work uh work I'm losing my thought process some residents uh et cetera where is that come where is that uh plan are they going to continue with that concept plan is there going to be a different one and the reason I'm asking is because I'm concerned about the uh scour risk and the erosion as we've learned or as I've learned from the 2013 flood that water always goes back to its original uh original course so if we're having underground flooding it's going to go back to that st rain and how will that work with the scour and erosion I mean just looking forward so councilmember peck uh mayor and councilmembers so what happened was initially uh an application came in for this property for annexation and you're correct it did have a concept plan with just slightly some more detail of a mixed use project that application was withdrawn uh and the applicant uh took that away and then they restarted the application process again and when they reapplied for annexation the second time uh they did have a more generalized concept plan that did not have a site specific site plan laid out on it and that is very typical it's not required by code to have a specific site plan in your concept plan and that's pretty typical for annexations where they just come in and they say we'd like to zone the property this consistent with whatever is in our comprehensive plan and envision long line and then once it's annexed in um they they play around with it try and figure out what the market drive is for that property what's the highest and best use and that's where they come up with site plans uh so that you are correct you saw something a long time ago but that concept plan was withdrawn this application was then resubmitted as a brand new application and the concept plan was left more generalized and vague didn't have a specific site plan to it the traffic study did contemplate oh i'd have to pull it up it was in your packet but it contemplated um a mix of retail office flex office uh things that are allowed in the mixed use employment zone so i just want to say i i totally agree that this needs to be developed and um i i understand the zoning through envision long line but just because you can do something doesn't mean you should so i'm very concerned about if there is uh residential development that it is taken into effect that this scour and erosion is there and we don't put people in a uh in an untenable position when we are going to have another flood um the other thing and this is this isn't really important but i caught it is that um in the documentation uh it was stated that it was it met a vision long months uh transportation multimodal plan that vrt on 119 was going to go down bow and i mean boston to bow and um but there won't be any stops on boston it's it's a regional it is not a local bus route and they're just going down boston to get to first avenue to get to our station so that that's really not a multimodal for residents that might happen in 2040 or possibly when we get our train they'll do that together but um i think that's important so thanks i hear pro tem uh thank you mayor bagley i'm sure probably some of my other colleagues on council have also met with mr mcclure but for you know full disclosure i've met with mr mcclure a little over a year ago i believe um and i will say a couple things that stood out to me is he's got a lot of energy um and in my conversation with him i definitely conveyed the fact that the riparian area the the same brain is a sensitive area to many people in the city and that anything he would do would have a lot of uh resident comments on it and input from folks and he seemed very amenable to it which i appreciate uh he said he was willing to at least with his conversation with me me with anybody that was part of the the you know organized group much less any other residents that are concerned with the same brain and anything developed along those lines uh but the other thing that stood out to me was it seemed like he had a real passion for as he termed it horizontal infrastructure um and that would be everything that people are really concerned about as far as foundations and and how the soils and the and the fill is for the site and things along those and if you look at some of his uh other projects he did take on notably hard to develop sites and did them successfully in say lewisville and other places in the carbon valley um so i don't i don't doubt his expertise or his ability to hire the right people to adequately develop uh infrastructure on a difficult site i know he has a lot of ideas which we may disagree or agree about as far as how to finance those kinds of uh improvements but at the same time i don't doubt his ability to do it in a sustainable way that is also respectful of the environment um outside of that as i think has been noted we are talking about an annexation and in this case this annexation happens to be an enclave within our city which i think are more important to get annexed into city limits than say some of our uh outlying pieces of of property that are not yet in the footprint for the city but lie on our outskirts of town so i i definitely would be um supportive of this annexation request specifically because it is an enclave and i i generally and i've stated this many times and more for the city of longmont having control over these properties as far as regulation in development than allowing our counterparts which i have no qualms with but allowing our counterparts in bolder county to choose what goes within our city essentially so i will support this annexation okay i'm hoping we can go ahead and all right council martin i'm i move uh ordinance 2021 uh 01 second all right it's been moved and seconded all in favor say aye aye opposed say nay all right ordinance 2021-01 passes unanimously and i was removed forever not forever just tonight right city staff yeah i was removed until january 5th not july 5th january 5th okay all right and we'll need to convert january 5th into a regular meeting all right can we do that or do you need a motion just do it right if we need a motion we'll let you know but i think we can do it all right so it's currently 10 30 i'm i'm i'm in a great mood but i am getting tired so let's go to 12 a long month waste services program review how do you get this yeah erica you're i assume pulling our slides up nice beard the sage there we go all right thanks so mayor members of long month city council and bob alan director of operations and public works and natural resources and i'm here tonight to talk about our waste services program i've got a presentation that's fairly brief i'll try to bang through it i do want to start out and say that um like to acknowledge the men and women that work in waste services they've had a pretty challenging year this year with the pandemic a lot more people at home generating a lot more trash a lot more cars parked around residential neighborhoods they have to navigate and they've actually done an excellent job and put in a lot of hours doing it this year i'd also like to acknowledge charles camminities he's your way services guru charlie's very passionate it's great to work with he spends a lot of time talking to residents stakeholders and community groups and he's a real resource asset to the city and um wanted to acknowledge him for that next slide or first slide so um what want to really cover four things here tonight i'd like to give you a very quick and brief overview of the program talk about some key indicators that we have talked about before talk a little bit about some of the the potential future for some of our key services and then have some discussion and hopefully get some direction on how we proceed tonight or after tonight so next slide our waste services program is guided substantially by our sustainability plan in effect that plan and the goal for that plan is to divert waste from landfills and overall we'd like to see 50% residential waste diversion by 2025 i'm not here tonight to have a presentation about the environmental impacts of solid waste that is not diverted away from landfills but i think those are well documented i think those who spoke earlier tonight the community members and stakeholders did a really good job of articulating some of those concerns i thought that video that molly briggs played was uh was good entertaining and and really hit on some of the key issues of greenhouse gas emissions and the problems associated with you know creating virgin materials for products without recycling so i thought they did a good job with that um obviously you can reasonable people can debate the urgency and um um you know some of the the level of the problem but i thought that that was was not over or understated and they did a good job with that next slide one of the projects that we did recently take on that has a net benefit to the city and environment is the conversion of about half of our solid waste fleet over to compress natural gas we're in effect using the gas now that comes from the wastewater treatment plant that we had previously had to flame off that we weren't using and and moved away from using diesel we hope to convert in by 2024 to convert that fleet over fully but a good a good project and if you have any questions about that later i have the project manager john gauge on with us tonight too and he can certainly help or answer any questions next slide so i want to start just showing what we have heard most commonly from all sources stakeholders community members other staff members um about the future of the program we have heard and i'm not here advocating tonight that's not my role it's to help facilitate this discussion so that you can give us policy direction but the three things we've most commonly heard is a desire to enhance or expand participation residential composting the implementation or adoption of a universal recycling ordinance of some kind and better options particularly nearby for hard to recycle items in the community so keep those in mind as we work through this and we can certainly circle back to discussion on those and other topics next slide quick background on the program longmont trash was municipalized in 1948 up until about 1992 we were hauling waste to a city-owned landfill cheap and easy that that closed at that time and now we haul waste to the front-range landfill sometime around that time i don't know exactly when recycling began in longmont um eco cycle was instrumental in helping the community develop that i think it started with some really simple options of setting you know melt crates to the curb with newspapers and aluminum in it and progress to a multi-stream recycling options and carts to a single stream option in 2010 in 2017 we added a voluntary curbside composting program and in 2017 when we adopted pay-as-you-throw rates or more aggressive pay-as-you-throw rates we adopted also the first every other week trash option in that we're aware of in colorado next slide the primary services obviously our core services which are curbside trash and recycle and then the operation of the waste diversion center as i mentioned the voluntary composting program some a la carte services for large item collection on request and dumpster rentals next slide please supplemental services um i think most of you are aware of these they range from paper shredding to some holiday recycling events um our popular leaf fall leaf and spring branch collection programs household hazardous waste zero waste for city events a few little ad hoc things along with these from time to time but these are the core ones next slide our um despite some of the concerns that it's not easy to recycle some hard to recycle items in longmont we actually do have options for quite a few different things at our waste diversion center in addition to the single stream you can drop off their cardboard shredded paper we also take styrofoam plastic bags motor oils batteries bulky metals the main operation there is the tree limb reception and grinding and then we will provide mulch back to our residents at no cost next slide our current rates um i know most of you have seen these uh you all pay these um the goal here was to have about um double the cost for double the size so you'll see that in the rate structure and um as pointed out i think by somebody who called in earlier tonight you can also rent an extra large or small container and um and of course the optional composting next slide please city also charges a waste management fee it's uh 296 per month per resident it generates about 1 million annually um that fee is used for waste collection you know for government operations and facilities so parks and recreation city facilities illegal dumping encampments along the river that we clean up downtown trash and recycle that's from first avenue up to longs peak city sponsored events we use it for outreach and education and some of our sustainability work that's solid waste related one thing that i will mention here is there are restrictions legal restrictions on how this money can be used so we can use it for um you know government properties and government programs but we can't use it to subsidize programs that are provided by private haulers so in other words we couldn't collect this money um and use it to subsidize the cost of a composting program a curbside recycling or composting program that would be a restriction on the use of that fee next slide please the pay-as-you-throw rate structure was implemented in 2017 um at that time uh or before that you paid about 50 percent more for double capacity um that rate is up to about 90 percent more now for double capacity uh next slide please so the impact of that this is the distribution of the two card sizes in 2016 and prior to pay-as-you-throw we had about 80 participation for subscription to the 96 gallon next slide please when we met with you back in April of 2018 we showed you these metrics and that number had dropped from 79 percent down to 65 percent for the 96 gallon container and our every other week subscription was up at 7 percent at that time also an increase in 48 gallon subscription next slide please um as of september of 2020 we're at about 58 participation in the 96 gallon container and up to 10 percent in the every other week the the goal with the pay-as-you-throw rates when we set them with our consultant was about 50 subscription in the long term in the 96 gallon i expected in two or three years will probably be there next slide please in 2018 after about a year of um the voluntary composting program we presented to you that we had 14 participation and next slide please next next slide hmm i think we skipped over um what were you missing um 21 percent the slides look remarkably similar so 14 percent in march of 2018 and 21 percent in september 2020 yes yes they look very close yes sorry um so we're up at um as of september up to 21 percent next slide please so municipal waste diversion waste diversion for our residential waste at the curb is about 26 percent that's a solid number um that's still you know in many respects relatively low probably you know anywhere from 50 to 75 percent of what is set out at the curb can fairly easily be recycled so it's a good solid number when you include the diversion at the waste diversion center that jumps jumps up to about 35 to 40 percent diversion so solid diversion rates and they're really very solid for colorado which is was mentioned earlier tonight has a relatively low rate um in the u.s but long months doing a good job but there is a lot of room there for improvement um total waste diversion is unknown um we do have private private haul reporting that is improving um we don't really know how many businesses um and multi families recycle um some certainly do but we don't um feel that we have the day to really start advertising a number for total diversion in the city um that's something we hope to have though moving forward into the future next slide please so let's talk a bit about the future some of the programs um when rates were set and a voluntary program started in um 2017 our consultant told us we there was a lot of debate about whether we do opt in or opt out um our consultant told us that pretty much any approach we took eventually would converge with about 25 percent participation um that that was what they had seen um in in study sites across the u.s and i think particularly they looked at some locations up in the pacific northwest area we are now getting close to 22 percent i noticed the numbers this month i expect that that will continue to slow down and will probably converge with about 25 percent if that is going to change it will probably take um and and we certainly have spent time in a couple different efforts to promote it they gave little bumps both times so they did help and they helped with the awareness um but over time much like we saw with our recycling program um there was a really a lower not a as high a return on the investment in the outreach for the program now that's not to say it's not important it is very important still but what i'm saying is that other efforts will need to be taken if we expect that to increase those efforts couldn't include charging more for trash so um more aggressive pays you throw rates um it's also likely that if you included the fee in the subscription much like we do with recycle that eventually many more residents would use it most people like to use things they pay for particularly when they get a cart for it so those are a couple options for how the the needle could move on that program also multifamily composting is um you know an untapped opportunity still in longmont i will say um longmont sanitation our program can only serve multi families up to eight units most of these are larger complexes that would be served by private haulers so some of the problems we do see out there is a lot of them don't have good landings and facilities even for the ones we provide recycle at sometimes we have a lot of challenges getting to the to the dumpsters of the carts and and that's something that would have to be addressed over time next slide please future of recycle um certainly we'd like to enhance curbside diversion we think there's a lot more opportunity there we have spent a lot of effort on outreach education on that topic we found really after the single stream program was launched in 2010 it was around 2015 2016 at really participation or the amounts that were recycled really tended to flatten out so if we're going to move the needle there probably need to continue with outreach and education that's certainly going to be very important but it's possible that we would need once again even more aggressive pay as you throw rates to incentivize that we don't know that as I mentioned earlier the commercial levels but that that is also an untapped potential it's likely that a future for solid waste in all of Colorado you know will become and the U.S. you know in general will become instead of the current weekly trash and every other week recycle and compost and every other week trash and weekly recycle and compost that would be a real good measure of success in the future there were comments tonight and we have heard a lot from residents to provide multiple bins for recycle we would like to address that with the next code revisions we think there's a way to do that there probably possibly could be a little bit of a fee for that that would be up to council what I do know though is that if we just open it up and offer a second bin we do have concerns those bins are expensive and they're expensive to maintain we have concerns that they just get requested and used for other things are not used at all and you know to equip the whole community with a 96 gallon cart is you know in the millions of dollars range it's above a million dollars it's very expensive so we would have to deal with that in rates or cost recovery somehow there are many ways that could be done however next slide please future rates and pay as you throw we are currently funded for the programs that we deliver today with some growth in the community we would we're at a point now where we need to add an employee that's something we intend on doing the first of the year that would be just to address some of the growth in the community we have not added employees to our solid waste program for it's been 10 or more years other than the employees that we added for the composting program and the equipment we added but we've been very stable but we're getting to a point now where we're going to overwhelm our our you know our FTEs and our equipment if we take on new programs or we get much more growth which I don't really expect but I do think that if we expand programs we certainly would need to add add equipment and employees certainly modifications could be made to stimulate recycling and and composting and and that's something we can talk about or we can research at your direction the waste management fee can be changed we that hasn't it's fairly low for the region it's charged only to residences certainly it could be increased or it could be expanded beyond just residential participation if there was a desire to do that and that fee once again can be used for sustainability programs outreach education community programs things that aren't provided by private haulers or the private sector next slide please future the waste diversion center this this one's a little bit of a head scratcher it's been a great reliable facility for a long time and it continues to provide a good service to the community it is however outdated it it needs some types of updating there are programs that we did you heard it tonight we used to operate out of this facility and the public works facility out on airport road those certainly were programs that were popular particularly when a city population was a fair amount lower they were started when the city was much smaller unfortunately they began to overwhelm our facilities and our resources and now to make that next changed if we're to have more options for hard to recycle or you know large items that would even go to the trash we would really have to take a quantum step up in the facilities and the staffing to do that we think that possibly collaboration with the county is a better option and maybe some of the options that would be more conveniently located in the Longmont we are currently you know in in discussions and some level of collaboration with the county on that they're looking at a facility we know in in the county that's a little closer to Longmont that might help even just a different facility to get rid of green waste could open up some options it could allow us to expand the current facility or maybe move to another similarly sized facility and really just focus on you know solid items that aren't the green waste items but we think that there is probably more conversation and collaboration discussion to be had there before we start looking at updating our current site and for that reason we've held back about 1.5 million that we had earmarked for updates to that facility not wanting to spend the money in a way that really would not be that helpful to the community the Charm facility Boulder does offer options it is a bit of a drive from from Longmont it's not horrible but it it does provide good options for hard to recycle items that's operated by EcoCycle there are a lot of local private options we put that in the packet a lot of companies that provide options for many hard to recycle items we have not advertised those on our website it's a little dicey when you start advertising or showing you know private companies you know more because it can change quickly or they can come and go but that is certainly something we could look at in the future that might be helpful to residents next slide please so these are some items just so you know that we do not accept at Longmont electronics you know large furniture and mattresses porcelain items fire extinguishers books are things you know textiles we don't recycle obviously we don't have facilities for construction and demolition debris and we don't have local facilities for household you know chemicals or hazardous materials we do have events in Longmont for those and then there is a facility in Boulder that our residents can participate in or take materials to next slide please future of outreach and education it's very important that we you know maintain current levels of recycle and composting we don't want to lose ground there so we do need to keep those programs rolling you know to at least keep that and anytime there's a program change that might affect those programs that we we jump on that with good outreach and good education um preventing contamination you know and recycle bins and compost bins are important community messaging um you know enhancing sustainability efforts and regional efforts are important improving online outreach is something we'd like to see more of in the future the our outreach with st. Rain Valley school district you heard some comments about eco cycles green star program and we contribute to that there's certainly more you can always contribute more to any of these programs and and efforts um and so um they're important and we intend to continue to do that i know eco cycle has offered and continues offered a collaborate on outreach and education we have done that um there's certainly some opportunities for that moving into the future as well next slide please so other other means to increase waste aversion these kind of circle back to some of the comments you heard from the community tonight um the universal recycling ordinance could certainly target um you know in addition to residential the commercial multifamily and and construction demolition types of wastes um plastic bag ordinance is always something that could be considered i think the future will probably look more at producer responsibilities to recycle products that's probably you know more regional and state efforts to do things like that but um as i mentioned in the white paper um waste reduction is going to be also part of the the equation it can't just be recycling we need to find ways to generate less waste and to reduce the production of virgin products that you know cause a lot of you know that fuel a lot of oil production or mining industries um not that we have anything against any of those industries um it's that the environmental impacts that we all recognize that we need to at some level um contain so there are some opportunities here and um and certainly some good local ones um that we could consider and like to discuss tonight next slide please excuse me bob yeah i'd like to move that we extend the meeting past 11 o'clock second all in favor say aye aye the post n a all right motion passes unanimously so um i'm really at the point of discussion now and my last last comments to you are that um you know that this would be a kind of a roadmap for what what could occur um depending on what you'd like to direct us to do um if you do um it would probably begin with a look at our municipal code and um and certainly um how that could change to do things that might stimulate additional waste diversion in the community um once again not advocating but that um those are options that you have and i think that taking that to the next level will probably require um some code revisions that could include you know a universal uh recycling ordinance um other things that might drive that if for example council were to direct us to study the possibilities of that type of an ordinance we do that once um we got beyond that stage um that would then trigger a lot of actions that would have to be phased in for example if if the city ever adopted something like a universal recycling ordinance that then would require us to provide composting to all residents and that would take us some phase in time to do that obviously businesses um multi families um all these other entities out there would be in the same position of needing some uh phase in considerations to be able to you know enrich the um the goals overall so um this is how I would see something occurring as we probably start with the look at the code then move through um what actions that would trigger in planning and analysis um you know if that would have any rate impacts at all and then obviously the implementation phase would be something that would be phased in with regards to the hard to recycle items there are certainly different options or different discussions we can have um I do think that we're in a good position right now with our discussions with the county and I'd really like to continue with those um as we talk about where we move in the future or possibly before we start expanding our current facilities but um you know those are options for your consideration next slide please so here we are let's start with the look like Hollywood squares let's go with uh council member dougal faring so um I have a question about the eco cycle partnership because at one time the city worked a lot with eco cycle and not so much anymore um I don't know so can you give me a little bit of history in context with that sure um mayor and members of city council um yes the city actually continues to work with eco cycle they're a service provider to us mm-hmm a haul much of our recycling material from the waste diversion center I've worked with them even in the composting program on our outreach and education we did um also work with a another private entity in that that was the first time that we hadn't either produced the materials ourselves or worked with eco cycle and producing those um mixed results but um but it it did um it was a good exploration for us and a good learning experience to see also the impacts of working um you know with a marketing firm on trying to really bump that composting program but I think we have a good relationship with eco cycle and continue to work with them okay good um so in the future are you are is the city planning on you know kind of building that that that partnership so they they are playing a a stronger role especially as we look to um recycling you know more recycling and composting um and as far as community outreach as well mayor and council we um we certainly will keep in mind they are a service provider they're they're not an organization that we can you know enter into an into an IGA with so um as we look at ways that we also have to work competitively through our um purchasing code our procurement codes um we certainly have a lot of options but there are some certainly some restrictions on us just opening it up to partnering if it is a fee based uh partnership okay and then as far so and the reason why I'm kind of pinpointing eco cycle is the school I teach at is a green star school and we've worked really closely with uh eco cycle they've come in and done have done presentations and um just worked with the students in getting them to understand you know the whole component of composting where even we have our little kinders you know our little ones who are separating out you know the what goes in compost what goes in recycling what goes in trash and they you know they they had a system going so you know I think that there is a lot of value in tapping into their expertise with um community outreach and education so you know I want to make sure that that I mean I think for me there might be others you know that you would know more than me but I kind of hone in on eco cycle because you know just my own experience with them is an educator in st brain mayor and council yes they do an excellent job with that program and other programs and and we do provide funding for that program okay certainly um I don't can't think of any reason why we won't continue doing that okay and um you know I guess I'll let everybody you know I wanted to kind of look I wanted to offer my input as far as directing staff but I guess I'll let other people chime in first let's go with councilor peck thank you mayor badly but there are a couple of things that you mentioned that were a little bit troublesome to me and one of them was the hard to recycle items that we did twice a year is that correct um and we stopped it because we had too many participants um it seems like if we start getting more people then we should think about enlarging our uh our project rather than stopping it I mean we want people to participate so sending everybody to uh boulder um I'm not sure that's the way long I should go we should I would like you and staff to work to enlarge that somehow and not stop a program that's working um and also uh when we're talking about you know it was just mentioned in our last conversation about the annexation that developers are building horizontal now as we look at more dense urbanization so having these multifamily uh buildings residences uh go up we need to look at a vision as to how are we going to actually make them available to recycle and compost rather than uh not in other words I think that we should be thinking more of the future and how to continue our programs and just say this is getting too big or too bulky for us we're just going to quit doing it um doesn't I don't know that just doesn't sound right to me at all um the other thing is that when you're talking about smaller bins for composting can we not just take some of those uh pay as you throw bins I mean we I know we'd have to purchase more but put green lids on those of the smaller bins the 48 container ones those are just some of my suggestions I actually would like universal composting and I would like universal uh recycling and I know it's not something we're going to be able to do tomorrow or whatever but let let's look at our budget and what it's going to cost and work toward that sooner than later for those of me thank you and council I would like to take a moment and address um some of council member pex comments about how to recycle um we understand and and we've heard that um numerous times let me also describe how that program was was once run but we have you know 22 employees who are in the operations group who actually do all the um collection in the program and those employees came in on the weekends to do that and they were actually loading materials from cars and then loading them off onto a site that really wasn't large enough to receive those items without them being removed quickly so that was how we kept our rates low and dealt with the problems we have with building a facility that would require the equipment and the staffing that would not allow us cost recovery beyond longmont residents that's where it becomes really a challenge for us and why uh regional solutions are without a doubt better however we are more than happy to investigate what it would take to do that but it just it would have to be done safely and with the correct equipment we couldn't go back to doing what we did before which is having in fact if you go to the charm facility today you would see that you don't get any real help unloading you have to do that yourself right and you dispose of your material and that's not how it worked in longmont we were unloading mattresses and furniture and doing you know a lot of large items and it really wasn't healthy for our workers to be doing that so it would take a complete rethinking of that facility and I dare say a considerable expense to do that that would have to be returned back in the form of rates but it's certainly something we could look at um continuing on that subject is not uh correct me from my if i'm wrong but didn't eco cycle help run that program they did and is there a reason why we can't continue that with eco cycle that I don't know I don't know that they have the equipment or the employees themselves to do you know the unloading of equipment as we once did it does take traffic control to do it at the sites we have now so we'd have to deal with transportation differently but yes they did help with those programs so wouldn't uh it would be worth checking in with them again to see how we can perhaps use several sites different sites different days more than uh twice a year to to make it more palatable um so that would be my direction is to let's see how we can continue or or re-engage with the eco cycle or perhaps another uh recycling company to do that so all right let's go with councilor martin um yeah thank you mayor bagley um bob is is there a cost associated with a cost to the city associated with the wrong stuff being in the wrong bin um and let me answer that first and then i'll tell you where i'm going mayor and council i'm going to turn that question over to charlie camonides thank you thank you bob and uh mayor bagley and council member martin that's a real good question i think ultimately there is a cost to it um in the sense of where we currently take our i assume you're talking about recycling materials but even our compost when those mercs or those processing facilities have a lot more contamination to deal with the value of the product or the cost of us managing it goes up so having better cleaner materials are better for the processing and the cleaning and all of that we're fortunate to work with boulder county with our mirf and and uh the outreach and education that we have out there is is is good and the you know typical contamination overall that boulder county is within some standards but go ahead yeah uh i have a singular problem that may be unique to my block um maybe it's unique to my house but i kind of suspect to not which is that passersby have a tendency to um dump their trash in in bins that are on the curb and uh when they do that they don't usually pick the right bin um they just do it in you know whatever whatever one is uh closest to them or whatever um and i am wondering you know people don't people are really good at not tampering with your mailbox um and we have a lot more families now that have installed uh ring cameras and things like that that might make uh this particular sort of vandalism detectable and reportable um so could you give your opinion on what an ordinance that makes it uh an infraction of some sort appropriate infraction um a code violation to put your trash in somebody else's bin while it's sitting on the curb mayor council that's a good question i would have to research that yes i don't know that i've ever seen that ordinance so maybe yeah well that ordinance doesn't exist now but i i would sure like to have you consider it because um it's it's an annoyance to me to you know when i'm bringing my bins back to have to inspect them to see if there's something that doesn't belong there and uh uh as as charlie said i think it probably uh costs the city money by reducing the quality of of the recycling streams in particular so uh yeah that's that's my input that's my christian sign thank you bob i think this is a really great presentation i can't believe how excited i am about solid waste but um so there's a i have a lot of things to discuss there are there's a little bit of a discrepancy between what the s uh srl group thinks is universal composting and what you think is universal composting and i'm gonna go maybe with you but um so i i would i would like to see all those things happen i would like to see us go from i wouldn't like to see any mandates exactly i would like to see us go from an opt out to an opt-in system for composting i think that would give us some uh added stuff we when we had the you know i'm the person who brought the composting forth in 2000 early 2000 did you mean switch it from everyone's going like this did you mean you want to go from an opt-in to an opt-out yes you're right i'm tired i know um when we had the consultant come and she did a very good job of now analyzing different things i was very disappointed to hear that she said that the top amount we could get probably was gonna sift out to 25 percent and that no matter what we did um that's what we would have and that we would have better uh people taking it if better taking um if we did an opt-in but you know the way you gain efficiency is to have more people in and so um i i really do think that these programs need to have sort of proof of concept we've got proof of concept for a couple years but i really think if we had an opt-out with a lot of education we could get more people in um and i do think that it would be a very good idea to see i know charlie communities has been working on trying to get uh commercial you know apartment buildings involved in this because that would if we can get commercial a commercial requirement that everybody needs to at least recycle that would be huge because that as you say that's 50 percent of the waste that we have um and if we could get uh apartments even if they're just the smaller ones like eight that would be a huge amount of stuff i think too to add to this but as you say it's a balance between having the staff and the equipment to do this and not wanting to raise the rates too much but if we involved more commercial stuff in it then that would help pay for it that's what my feeling is and then the third uh thing is of course um well what randy moorman who's from eco cycle suggested is requiring contractors to pay a fee for waste i think that's very interesting i've been trying to get rid of um household waste from various projects you know you can't get rid of wood that's little chunks and stuff you have to throw it out this is ridiculous and if we could resolve the problem of contractor waste and home waste of various people's various little crazy remodeling projects like mine um just fixing up for para jobs um that would be a huge thing right now you just have to throw out small scraps of wood um half sheets of plywood nobody wants this stuff because it's it's difficult to make use of but it is a huge amount of waste in this town um i also i'm very glad that you're doing stuff with the school system i think that i am very big on shaming and nagging because it's the only way to get things done sometimes i'm a mother so you know if you if you've got little kids nagging you to do you know nagging which is what i did to my parents nagging them to fix up things that were fire traps nagging them to not throw stuff out that's wasteful nagging it works it works on adults and the future is kids who get this who understand this the other thing is that i i i really think we need to do a massive education program on why really we're recycling and composting it's not to feel good about ourselves it's because we have we really have a climate emergency and there's only so much you can do with not having more emissions it's good if we if we can cut emissions that'll be great but we still have the problem of so much carbon dioxide that we're heating everything up and the only way to turn that around is what's called drawdown you have to do carbon sequestration composting is how you do that and better land use the more land we cover up with buildings the less carbon sequestration we have we're never going to get on top of anything unless we do some drawdown and that has to do with regenerative agricultural and the circular economy and carbon sequestration and recycling things and composting things are the core of that so i would like us to really think about educating people i for instance my neighbor who's a nice guy throws out a lot of bottles that's mostly what is in his recycling bin but i i k i went out the other night at two in the morning which is when i usually recycle stuff i'm in my alley and i opened the wrong bin i opened his bin and his recycling bin is full of leaves this guy is intelligent he doesn't seem to grasp that you cannot recycle leaves they belong in the compost he doesn't have a compost bin i've told him he could put it in my compost bin anyway so we need to educate the adults as well as the children about why this is important and firstly and secondly what they can and cannot compost and how to keep it from being and and what they can recycle don't put your yogurt containers in there without rinsing them don't put your beer bottles in there without rinsing them don't put wet stuff in there with your paper because it contaminates everything i don't think most people understand how much is wasted in recycling by uh by um contamination anyway i'll shut up but i do think i i certainly uh support the three things that you were talking about with the universal recycling or universal universal composting and recycling thanks bob mayor protan uh thank you mayor bagley i have a lot of thoughts on this but i would like to boil it down real quick to this one item in the sense that this concept is very large and we're discussing a lot of things without being making any sort of decisions and i think there's way too many items here for us to start willy-nilly making motions at 11 20 p.m so i really would like kind of more of a concrete list from staff that we can go down one by one and make adjustment motions or yay or nay votes on uh because this is just a circular conversation at this point because i absolutely 100 agree that these are things that we need to move forward how we get there and what's most easily attainable uh as well as what's the furthest from being attainable i mean we need some of those we need we need money numbers as far as the costs for these things as far as rates are concerned if we go through with things so i would really like maybe some of these things boiled down to universal composting for our residents uh that we can currently service based off state law um so how we you know for those people that are currently serviced by the city of longmont versus private haulers then we can and separately look at commercial and multifamily as well i think lumping all these into one thing tonight after 11 o'clock we're not going to probably be able to come to any sort of consensus or decision at this point because there's just too many details that to to suss through uh for instance one of mine being is phasing and implementation and economic costs because we know that we're in a precarious position for both residents and businesses right now economically and start issuing mandates at 11 20 p.m for waste services i don't think is wise um so i would like staff to come back i think i would i would like to make a motion that staff bring back in um appropriate pieces actionable items because i think everyone on city council and we'll find out if there's a second or or vote uh but i think city council is interested in moving forward with these items but right now i just don't think we're going to get anywhere by just discussing our our wants versus our needs and what we're able to service i'll second that would you would you take it a friendly amendment absolutely well i would i would ask you suggest i would like a list going from lowest hanging fruit to hardest along with the specific costs um in terms of budget money and rate increases and then we can discuss what things we should attack and do because in a perfect world we do it all but can we afford it who we pass on the cost to and again the problem i'm always faced with is uh councilmember peck once said we're doing the people's work will stay as long as possible i'm willing my brain however is not capable yeah so uh at this point i'd probably vote for anything and not understand what i was voting for but uh would you accept that amendment yes thank you mayor bagley it's a big pie we need to take it piece by piece i accept there's a motion on the floor councilmember idago farron um something i you know i want to bring up to it the level of urgency as well um you know this has been on the docket since pre-covid and it keeps kind of getting pushed down the line so when it comes back to you know council i want i would like to see it come back in a in a quick return because i i mean i'm ready to like let's we got to write an ordinance on universal composting and you know let's get this let's get this moving if we're really serious about um zero waste and um you know and take care of our environment so no i i i will i will support this but if we can kind of you know make this a little more pressing and i would agree with you i would agree with you and i know the p i know that srl and many of our our allies and people we respect to the community i think we've been waiting since march was what was said by my sherry my only concern i would agree and echo and herald i would ask we put it on the agenda as soon as possible with the understanding that we're in a pandemic and we understand you guys are exhausted and we give you guys things all the time to do and it's hard and all that stuff so um you know so put it on immediately but with a grain of salt that says do what you got to do with the other things that you're doing to keep us safe um council member peck um i would like to actually make that a little tighter in that uh dale is there possible to bring something back to us in january you're you're muted uh council member peck and and mary bagley um just a couple thoughts we can bring it back really as quickly as we can move through some of these things and if we come back with smaller slices of the pie we can bring back things sooner um i you know we can make our first cut at what we believe listening to what the mayor's emotion was you know the lower hanging fruit we can do some of that i i would recommend though that we do some level of analysis so that when we return to you it's not just this blank slate in other words there's a sense of of the economic side of it there's a sense of the gain and the benefit the environmental benefit of what we're trying to achieve that does take some work and analysis to do that well so that we're providing you with you know solid information um i see becky chimed in she's probably going to be doing a lot of this data analysis for us but um i i know we can we got the talent to do the work whether we have enough forces to get everything done as quickly as we can is probably another another question but again if we come back with a smaller slice of the thing i i think we can do it but i guess what i uh would like to avoid is that in march it'll be a year that we extend this out to where agree yeah so if we could get something hopefully by that year date or before that would be great and and i agree with you Dale the the smaller slices of pie and and uh mayor bagley that's a good idea so thank you and my my only what what literally is what's going through my head is is uh rather than give a deadline my fear is that we're going to be dealing at christmas time with the pandemic that we are we are we are going we're going to be it's going to be bad and so my fear is that we start focusing on things that i'd like to see us get to the first of the year uh not not because i'm pushing this off but i have a feeling that staff is going to be really busy in about 14 days so um i saw some hands up bob you want to say something yeah mayor and council i i want to echo what dale said and maybe make this a little easier um we haven't done a comprehensive review or started this type of discussion for quite a few years we talked last about composting and pay-as-you-throw rates but i would suggest that rather than trying to just bite and get the whole universe of of way services figured out that we start with the few things that are going to have the greatest impact those are going to be things that we do at the curbside and the possibility of expanding recycling to beyond uh just residences in the community i probably looking at different alternatives for a universal recycling ordinance i those are going to be that is by far going to be the single biggest thing of everything in those lists that we could do and if you had us focus on spending some time looking at alternatives for how that could be written then the analysis comes along with that and we can continue to come back year after year instead of waiting so many years and bring other pieces into the program but without a doubt they're going to be two or three really large things that we can do i think more with education outreach universal recycling ordinance exploring these hard to recycle options that are more convenient for the the community those three by far will be the big three so it's your motion but it kind of sounds like he already jumped ahead and gave us the answer which is let's start with these things sure and as he also mentioned that that curbside is a big thing i think that talking about uh either universal or opt-out composting becomes easily in that that conversation as well because it is a curbside controllable issue for the city one way or another as far as that's concerned um my concern yes is now with the timing of it but i would rather see good work done than hasty work so what's your do you want to restate your motion for us Aaron so i believe my motion was for city staff to bring back the larger conversation in pieces that are actionable uh i will i will second that so do we have any i know that you want to say something susie but can you wait till after the motion is it have to do with the motion can i can i just say that i think i jumped the gun a little bit and i believe that council member edalgo faring was going to make a motion and i just happened to get called on first all right susie what you want to say um well you know what so some of the things that i was listing listing and what people were calling for are part of that larger so it could be maybe pushed down to for um give staff time to get a deeper analysis on it but something that it sounds like you know it could be that low hanging fruit piece is putting together an ordinance for universal curbside composting collection and recycling so i mean i like that idea of universal let's take a more aggressive approach than just even that opt out option but it's kind of like this is all part of the system it and i'll you know i'll defer to bob if you feel like this is something that is doable at this time i would like to to make a motion to get an ordinance drafted at least on that piece and then have um you know with deeper analysis on some of those those other larger components like the recycling and um in multifamily units and and all that well and i think uh mayor and council that would all start to feed into that concept of a universal ordinance that ordinance what that would allow us to do is deal with the concept of what we want to achieve and then start looking at the economic impacts of that but that would be if you want staff to do its best work that would be a really good focus area to start with but that's not to say we didn't hear a lot of other things tonight that we working on many that are a little bit below this radar of of necessarily um needing direction right away to do things um there and we are working a lot of those but that would be one that we could really um and and there are many different ways to do that ordinance so we would when i would envision would be bringing back options of what it could look like or alternatives and then getting more direction and dialogue and using that as kind of the center focal point for where we go if you decided not to adopt an ordinance of that nature you're still going to have the right conversations about what you want from recycling and commercial multi-family and expanding the residential if that's what you want to do so even if you didn't adopt it it would not be wasted time okay and also adding a piece in there where we have those zero waste practices for city sponsored events for when we permit give permits for use of public spaces to have those those things so it's kind of embedded in our everyday behaviors so so hold on i'm going to cut everybody out so right now i'm just going to i'm going to point out we have consensus that in an ideal world longmont would everyone would compost we all have residential recycling recycling we all have commercial recycling and we would be a zero-way city the motion on the floor is for city staff to bring back some low-hanging fruit some easy right now targets that that they're going to put it in terms of dollars so they can start immediately and then bring us back pieces as soon as they can in order to push us towards that goal is anyone against what i just said all right so let's go ahead and vote on the motion and then get started on on making our our city cleaner and and and closer to zero waste all right so all in favor of the motion say aye aye opposed say nay all right the motion carries unanimously bob find some low-hanging really good impactful stuff bring it back with some costs let's get going all right all right okay let's move on to uh i move that we recess the longmont city council and convene is the board of commissioners the longmont housing authority no no no they got moved to the fifth too oh get it so that's it then that's it for general business don't you're telling me yes all right let's move on then let's take a three-minute break and move on to final call public invited to be heard okay be right back all right folks this is the final public invited to be heard for the evening please once again dial the number on your screen enter the meeting id and mute the live stream when you do call in and listen to the instructions that happen on your telephone all right that might have been two minutes but i'm guessing there's nobody in the line right that is correct mayor bob which is guessing midnight to say something all right so let's go ahead and close the final call public invited to be heard and let's move on to you mayor and council comments who would like to say some really brilliant things marsha marsha always wants to say brilliant things marsha back yes i'm back my uh never mind i couldn't done i couldn't become visible for a minute there that's right i would just like to you know read into the record for people who are watching the next day that today was giving tuesday and usually um you know you've got in your email and you know on your facebook page and all that stuff um some messages about giving tuesday that you didn't quite get to and i just want to tell everybody that they're willing to take your money tomorrow so if you missed giving tuesday don't miss giving tuesday and i i just want to i just want to say that uh we all joke that 2020 has been a hell of a year and uh i just keep interacting with clients and friends and colleagues and the level of anxiety continues to be just off the charts and everything's going to be fine so i don't know anybody's watching they're probably all asleep but life's good we'll be fine we'll figure it out all right so let's go ahead it's herald you got anything to say no comments mayor council you gene no comments from here mayor all right can we have a motion to adjourn please move to adjourn i'll second that joan all right all in favor say aye all right opposed in a night all right motion carries unanimously good night guys talk to you later