 Man, let me ask you this, what was the frustration and anger, because we work with guys and there's just so much confusion that comes into play when you're a virgin at 27 and then you don't get your next shot until you're 31. What was that like in transitioning at it? I was just totally brainwashed. I thought, my childhood wasn't pleasant and I was put down a lot. I just had this idea that I had to be all these things before a woman would even consider me. But the thing I did that might be helpful to some of the viewers, I had this shopping list of things I needed to be before even a seven would consider me and my shopping list, I mean, if Brad Pitt had had this shopping list, it would have been a bit ambitious for him and all I was doing was protecting myself from ever being hurt. It's just so pathetic, what I said in my speech, a lot of very intelligent guys that make such dumb decisions. In this area of their life, even though they're brilliant at that, and I was, I mean looking back, a lot of people have looked at me and said, wow, that guy's successful, he's good at sport, great at business, but I was so pathetic, just how brainwashed I was by society. You know, where you're at now is such a different place, like where did you see that transition, James? Because you get each of them in 2007 and moving along, you know, I got to know you in 2012 and just seeing snapshots, you know, so James knows you really well, but like where did you see that transition with the other James, James McLean? Well, we were sort of going on parallel journeys and we've ducked in and out of our lives, we don't get to see each other that much, unfortunately, because we live on other sides of the planet, but at least once a year we'll check in and spend a couple of days together. And yeah, I mean, for him, his journey has been, he was really obsessed about the highest quality of woman and that's something that he's a connoisseur of and for a long time I didn't really get it because, like, to be honest, he's gangly and he's got a bit of a squeaky voice and his posture's not perfect and his game's good, but I've met guys who've got better conversation skills and whatever else, but he's always with startlingly beautiful women who are always, like, usually at least masters, if not a PhD, very intelligent, very, you know, very proud, very elegant women and I've met, you know, a bunch of these over the years that I've known him and that was something that kind of flabbergasted me at first because there's been a few guys I've met where I'm just like, I don't know why it's working for them, because even if they're good, like, their results are fucking insane and this is my opinion, because I've thought about this over the years about why it is that you get such great results and I feel like it's that you just treat super high-end women like people, you don't treat them as if they're princesses, you're not trying to necessarily impress them and you feel entitled to those kinds of girls, like those are the ones you want and, like, because I often tell students this, they're like, oh, how do I get a 10? And I said, only approach 10s, yeah, because that's what you do, you only approach girls that you perceive to be your ideal women.