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Just just solve the problem It's funny though because well, but that's somebody you talk to all the time I don't get to talk to these guys that often and I'd like to you know around a little bit and it's like, okay Thanks, Elsa Mike They say here's the link here's the link to upload your file. Bye. Good. Bye. Okay. Thanks. Bye. Yeah That's it But you do know that I mean if it's one, you know nine to nine thirty and nine thirty two You can plan another event. That's good. That's actually very helpful Yeah, well, that's why I don't do certain shows Because they're sort of like an hour ish. Yeah, right. Yeah, you don't know, you know, if you don't have two hours Really, it's like kind of like sometimes you need a hard out It's true. We're all busy folk. Now the cats behind the monitors If you see me leap up and look at my armpits as I go to get the cat out from behind So Allison I put your But you introducing yourself Sounds good. Okay. I sort of combined your your plants there. You'll be right after Lent. So I don't say I guess you wouldn't say and then yeah, I I Almost made some hoth cocoa Tontan flavored. No, thankfully It's a I lean got a three pack of Dagobah green tea hoth cocoa and Darth Vader dark roast Yeah, like a long time ago. It's probably not good anymore Right, but I had seen your wrote frozen planet of hoth and I was like, oh, I should I should make the hoth cocoa Mojam, yes, it is hat day Friday is hat day Tip of the hat to you optional hat day as Roger is demonstrating. Yeah, you don't have to have a hot day. It's all good Roger, you okay? Yes I'm just going over these CS emails. Sorry. Okay. Well, you can do that after Read all your CS emails there Roger. No, no, I'm it's regarding our Our shows that's okay. Do you want us to wait till you're done to do this? Nope? Okay I'm kidding Let's rock you guys ready. Yep. Yep Read my shirt born ready Here we go The Daily Tech news show is powered by its listeners not outside Organizations if you get value from the show consider giving a little back as little as a dollar a month keeps great tech news and analysis Coming your way commercial free find out more at Daily Tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Friday, January 5th, 2018 from DTNS headquarters in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from a beautiful day By the water from studio feline. I'm Sarah Lane from the frozen planet of Hawth I mean DTNS northeast in Cleveland. I'm Len Peralta and from pod feet headquarters with more felines than necessary I'm Allison Sheridan. We are heavy on the felines today. Also joining us without cats Roger Chang our producer. I have no cats Sin gatos is the shirt that Roger wears Because about town actually pretty good shirt idea. Yeah, no one's done that yet that one in the store Dave Michael. All right Let's start with a few tech things you should know Sources tell billboard that Jimmy Iovine will leave Apple in August I have been joined Apple when it acquired beats back in 2014 Iovine's Apple shares conveniently fully vest in August probably not Apple music now has 30 million paid users which to put it into perspective is a little less than half of Spotify's 70 million Didn't they say when Apple bought beats that they were really buying Jimmy Iovine for all of his contacts? I bet you can't buy a human being. I guess so you can't keep one I guess well Fitbit invested six million dollars into a startup called the Sano Which is developing a coin-sized patch to help diabetics track blood sugar levels as for market interests the Center for Disease Control and Prevention estimates 100 million Americans are now living with diabetes or pre-diabetes Fitbit sold 3.6 million devices in the quarter-endering ending September 30th down from 5.3 million a year earlier That could be a big hit and go and head to head with Apple on that If they both do it yay, right? Yeah. No totally I have a friend who got one of the continuous glucose monitors and she says it's just amazing it how She can control things because as she sees that plummeting she can fix it and still waiting until she feels horrible And then going okay now. Let me check and see what happened. Yeah The US FCC released the final text of the order to change the open internet guidelines This is the net neutrality change that everybody's been talking about and this is the text that will be published in the federal Register so it's not in effect yet has to be published in the federal register before the rules go into effect All right, let's get into some more top stories kick us off Allison Amazon is rolling out the Alexa mobile accessory kit Which lets Amazon voice services work on Bluetooth products like headphones smartwatches fitness trackers other audio devices It's a lighter version of the AVS device SDK The kid is rolling out to limited partners with wide availability this summer Amazon also introduced the premium voice development kit that lets device makers enable high quality Far-field voice experiences for either seven mic circular or eight mic rectangular array boards Yeah So this is Amazon's next step to stay ahead of Google and the rest of the competition and voice services Get it in the smaller devices get it in the Internet of Things devices They already have that device kit, you know, they talked about it. It's gonna be in microwaves So you want it in the small stuff too? Well, it's funny. It's it's I call them the normals But I have a lot of people asking me like, you know, what kind of like smart speaker should I buy and I want to get an Alexa, right? I'm like, well, it's an echo. It's you know, Alexa's the AI and echoes the hardware, but Clearly Amazon understands this and is like if Alexa can be sort of omnipresent in all sorts of devices Then you know the Amazon Amazon's own echo speaker is not so much this thing that has to be pushed forward unless somebody wants it You know every time I think of this now I think of Alexa it's coming from inside the house It's everywhere. I just want to give the blanket Apology to everyone whose Amazon echos have been set off three or four times now. Oh, yeah, sorry It's gonna get worse before it gets better. I'm just saying I do have an explanation of that, Tom And I don't think I've said it on this show before but Alexa is a dog and Siri is a cat if you have Siri to Do some she looks back and goes. Oh, I don't know if I feel like doing it. I might I might help you I'm not really sure and Alexa's sitting over there going, huh? Are you talking to me? Okay? Can I help you? Can I help you? What are you doing? It's kind of true. I've actually been looking at my Amazon Echo show with the water running Told it to add something to the shopping list and the one in the living room answers But again, I will now add a further apology for the two more times that Allison has now set off here Now stop it people do not think it's funny. Let me just tell you that right now And I will forward the emails to you. Okay, do it do that All right, moving on show of hands who has had something in their bathroom or kitchen made by Kohler A lot of people have raised their hands, right? So bathroom fixture maker Kohler announced Kohler connect connect with a K which allows motion or voice controls of faucets and Toilets including support for Amazon voice services. So yours is Ken It's like you could start a shower or warm your toilet seat or adjust lighting from the mirror Fill a bathtub to a very decided decided depth all through your voice kind of cool Kohler is Verdana voice-lighted mirror will be the first connect product on the market coming in March We'll probably see something like this at CES, you know, I originally laughed because I was like smart toilets however Anything that requires me to touch a toilet fewer times in the day not gonna be mad at that I Suppose if they were in public restrooms, maybe no, even my own You know this comes to mind our mutual friend Dorothy was talking about putting in a new Shower system of she's rebuilding part of her house and a friend of theirs has this cool electronic thing It's got all kinds of bowls and whistles and things you can do with the shower And then they said yeah, but the power was out the other day and we couldn't turn the shower on so, you know Maybe some stuff doesn't really need this Echo start my warm shower. Tell me when it's 38 degrees Celsius Having shared showers with roommates and you know whoever in the past The the idea of having something that's you know, a shower is very personal experience You want to sing in there? You want to do your thing? You know, you want it to be a certain temperature So I can see where this would actually come in handy. I mean It does smack a little bit of like, you know, the smart home that doesn't need to be smart But I you know, if you really want to go all out with with a bathroom. It is a personal experience Yeah, I think there's a range here I think some of these things may end up being smart refrigerators where you don't really need them But especially the mirror we're gonna see a lot of smart beauty products at CES. We'll talk about that In a little bit. I think I think that's the kind of thing that you might get some people to say. Oh, yeah, no, that's that's helpful Echo make my mirror make me look thin That too All right, I'm gonna talk a lot about specter and meltdown now. So just settle in But this is probably the last big collection of announcements for a while Specter if you haven't been paying attention has two main aspects and we haven't talked about these aspects on the show before There's an array bounds attack that tests the bounds of arrays an array bounds test and a branch prediction attack And you don't necessarily have to understand what those are but know that those are two different kinds of attacks that need to be mitigated Intel has issued guidance for mitigating against the array bounds test in individual apps as well as issuing a microcode update for its processors that will need operating systems support but combats the branch prediction attack AMD says it's less susceptible to the branch prediction attack although it doesn't say it isn't but it just moves on and Suggest that operating systems can patch to mitigate the array bounds test problem and recommends That the operating systems can take care of that for for AMD processors Arm has detailed new instructions to patch the array bounds test for its processors and Recommends using existing systems that it has in place for invalidating or disabling the branch prediction attack Apple says it is updating Safari to protect against specter attacks on its chips. It doesn't differentiate between the two So maybe it thinks one of them was already safe I don't know Microsoft has modified edge and IE to guard against the array bounds test and has implemented support for Intel's microcode updates as well As a brute force approach for the branch prediction attack So they've got Intel's microcode if there's a branch prediction attack against Windows But they also have their own brute force protection if you're using a different non Intel piece of hardware Mozilla has patched Firefox and a chrome patch will ship by the end of the month That's specter. That's where we sit with the specter patches. Here are the fixes for meltdown This is simpler about almost all of them are out for major operating systems and cloud services Apple confirmed that Mac OS was already protected and then it has further mitigation efforts for meltdown on the way Microsoft notes that third-party antivirus must support dual page tables or its fix can't be implemented So in a sense if you have third-party antivirus You'll need to check to make sure that your third-party antivirus is Updated and supporting the fix before you can get the meltdown fix on Windows or just don't use third-party use Defender Sys admins need to turn on dual page tables and Windows server as well Since the performance impact will vary depending on workload Intel says that performance reductions due to meltdown mitigation should not be Significant they don't think it would be anywhere near 30 percent. They say it does depend on workload But most people won't notice fact that was already there in Mac OS. They were doing this kernel table isolation already Makes me think they're probably right and Google says its mitigations have negligible effect on performance as well so the good news is Almost everything is patched or if it's not patched there is a you know a foreseeable patch in the future There still are no in-the-wild exploits of either of these and it sounds like the performance hit Aren't is not going to be nearly as bad as people feared when we first heard about this earlier this week I have a couple of questions Probably don't have answers but shoot well So Apple has been saying that Mac OS was already patched my understanding is the patches 10 dot 13 dot 2 So that would say if you're on high Sierra you already have the patch But this would also affect the people who are on Sierra and El Capitan going back. That's just a really good point You're right high Sierra does that kernel table isolation? But if you're not up to date on high Sierra, then you wouldn't have that protection Those are supposed to be patched OSes so but I mean my question is going to be have they patched those older ones and Patches in the work so maybe that's one one of the things that those further patches will address would be my guess Is that same question valid in on in Windows world? Do you have to be on Windows 10 to have been getting these new patches? Well, that's another that's a great question. I don't know the answer to seven users Various liens right flexities about whether you're actually supported or not if you're on Windows 8 I Would assume that they would have a patch out of cycle, but I honestly haven't checked Don't be too cocky there and everything's everything is well awesome, right? Well, everything everybody has addressed this and put out patches You may need to check to find out if your patch is actually there yet but again The the tendency that I'm steering against is to overreact and say everything is awful And I'm trying to say everything is not awful We're getting patches for these things and in fact it looks like if the register hadn't broken this story The plan had been to introduce all of the patches and all the fixes on the day they announced the problem They're trying to keep this problem under wraps. That's you know, it's remarkable how much it went from everybody panic This is the worst to okay patches are out everybody good, which you know it leads One to believe that the companies had been working on some sort of a you know a group effort for some time and perhaps they were scooped a little bit by the register, but They were pretty close to a solution at least something that you know is going to you know pacify most people So the lesson two or three days later after this came out is probably not going to be the big performance hits We were worried about and I believe two days ago We were under the impression that the specter piece of this was oh my god We need whole new pieces of hardware and that that's no longer the case That does not seem to be the case what what what seems to be the truth behind that is that to actually Fix the specter vulnerability You need to rearchitect and Intel plans to do that in future Releases, but you can still mitigate Against it and I know that's a fine line for most people. It doesn't even matter They're like as long as I'm not vulnerable That's all I care about and that's what's true You're not going to be vulnerable if you get these mitigations, but the mitigations basically kind of Defend and and push the push the the attempts in a different direction rather than actually go and fix the underlying vulnerability So the I guess the difference there is somebody could figure out a way around the mitigation a little easier Then they could figure out how to fully create a new vulnerability from scratch Sources tell tech crunch that GoPro is laying off between 200 and 300 people this week Concentrated in the aerial division, which makes the karma drum GoPro laid off 100 people in late 2006 and then 270 more in March of last year and normally I'd say well Okay, you know companies sort of ebb and flow, but you know GoPro is Is synonymous with drones? I mean it was for sure one of the first companies that really got put on the map for drone technology And just because we're about to go to CES in a couple of days and we're going to be talking about so much So what's the new cool hot thing? It was only a couple of years ago where drones were you know That was the whole thing and there were companies that GoPro is obviously making hardware But a lot of companies that were adding drone divisions and ramping up their drone technology And not that that still isn't you know valuable in some sense But it's really kind of shifted as far as like the the the new shiny thing that consumers are talking about Yeah, I mean Roger made the point in our pre-show conversation that It seems like drones and quad copters and UAVs in general have matured as a market and GoPro Getting out of the business seems to be one of the signals of that. Yeah Looks like it Hey folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe at two daily tech headlines You can get it as a podcast on the Amazon Echo on the Google home on the anchor app Or just as a good old-fashioned podcast at daily tech headlines comm So we're going to CES who may regret this but it's It's something we're always Whether we go or not we always cover it and it's always interesting to talk about what you expect To see from the show and then sort of see how the show plays out It's funny because every year we say it's the same old thing TVs Smartphones and ultra media PCs and then the next year. It's TVs smartphones and 3d printers and you know, there's always one little thing that slowly changes over the year This year it seems like the smart speaker battle that we were kind of talking about earlier Amazon versus Google and and everybody else trying to get into the smart speaker battle as well as smart home stuff like the Kohler stuff and just AI expect everybody to be using AI for everything TVs and displays of course lots of car tech Especially self-driving car tech Wearables particularly health and wellness wearables We're going to see a lot more of that like the glucose monitor thing we talked about We'll probably hear a lot about 5g a lot of augmented reality Maybe some virtual reality robots phones, etc. Etc. Etc. Etc. So I I've got an overview of all of these different categories and what to expect here But I thought we'd go around the table And what we could start with you Allison What what are the things you're expecting to see and maybe you're most excited to see too? You know, I don't cover stuff like the self-driving car stuff But I am really intrigued to see the there's a car called or I should say a bus called accessible Ali It's a a giant bus that's going to be in the lobby But it's specifically a self-driving vehicle to drive people who can't see around or have other accessibility So I think that's kind of cool I think I gave you guys some links There's going to be more attention to accessibility by creating categories for accessibility So when a vendor puts their stuff up into CS they say, oh, I've got AI because everybody's going to put AI And then they put down, you know, I do drones, but then they can also say there's something about accessibility So people can find them that way. So I'm kind of excited about that I always like walking past the TV stuff, but the TV stuff's always just, you know, just crazy talk I mean, it's fun to go look at but I don't spend a lot of time on that Well, we're going to get an 88 inch 8k. Oh led television Oh, yeah There's going to be a lot of talk about HDR 10 and Dolby vision and Samsung is going to be over there with HDR 10 plus And there's advanced HDR. So you'll get a bunch of HDR confusion But yeah, I mean maybe some transparent screens will be cool to look at other than that. I don't know Yeah, but where I get excited. Um, I am excited about the smart home stuff I think that's really really interesting Terrifying interesting and be interesting to hear if they talk about security all in any of that stuff Definitely enjoying that. Um, you know, I'm such a huge fan of VR. I'll be focusing on that, Tom Yes, yes, you've never been a skeptic of VR that I know because I can't remember before yesterday Exactly exactly. So probably not too excited about that I'm also intrigued by the the wearables and health and fitness stuff because as I think I've said here before I find it fascinating that half of the stuff that we're inventing right now Is designed to make sure we never have to get off the couch I mean, Sarah doesn't want to go up and fill that bathtub to the perfect height, right? She wants to be able to lay on the couch until it's ready. And then, you know, I'm not going to do it Yeah But at the same time Sarah's going to wear a fitness thing to tell her to get up off the couch and go for a run Well, what's Sarah? I don't mean to speak for you, Sarah, but let's let's This is a Sarah without an H different Sarah altogether. Totally different Sarah imaginary Sarah She doesn't want to have to get up off the couch to get the do the do to run the bath Because she wants to get up off the couch and exercise and have fun Not waste time running the bath I don't know. You watch the people in the 1920s. They didn't have to exercise, right? Well, they're all running around doing everything by hand. Oh, well, there's that But you know, I love the idea of Lots of companies piling on the smart home thing even though I know that there will be a lot of smart home Solutions that the world doesn't really need but it's funny that you mentioned baths because I actually don't take them because I have a history of seizures So I'm not supposed to like take a bath when I'm alone because you know, you could like have a seizure and drown and that is why some of the stuff in the wearables category is really interesting to me because Counting how many steps I took to take a walk and and uh, you know, what was the elevation that I You know reached during a given day. It's like that's interesting data But it's not really interesting in the sense of like keeping myself as healthy as possible What is interesting to me is, you know, you know the the diabetic measurements The idea that people uh women could track their fertility stuff that you actually a lot of people have to go to the doctor regularly for And to be able to cut down on that with something that's actually accurate Is like that's not just like ces being flashy. That's like really cool Well, and that's the key, right? Is it accurate? Are these blood pressure monitors? These glucose detectors gluten sensors, we're going to hear all of these kinds of things Are they good enough that a doctor will and say, yeah, okay You know that you can use that in a medical situation versus sort of a, you know, well, it's interesting to track I don't really need to rely on it Situation and and that's a big deal. I mean some of the stuff is going to be real There's a spoon called the guiano spoon two for parkinson's patients, for instance, which Corrects for the shake as they bring food to their mouth so that the spoon stays steady like that kind of stuff Crazy cool We I used to design a steering mirrors for a military electronics that did just that it was really hard Yeah, they weren't compensated for the shake. Yeah, they weren't spoon size though. I mean They're a little bit bigger than that I do like where you're going with the the health stuff that'll actually keep us alive longer I mean looking at what apples discovered from the apple watch that they've been able to predict afib I mean, there's some there's some crazy stuff happening that they didn't quite realize it was going to be able to do so Yeah, and I think we'll see a lot more companies riding on the back of not only apple watch but phones Not just the iphone, but the android phones as well With a lot of add-ons and mods where you know, there's one out there I think it's called the the v vital if I remembering right where you put your finger in and it says it can do blood pressure and glucose monitoring and like five different vital statistics For you like temperature and all of that just by sticking your finger in it and it attaches right to your phone Well, I mean they've been they've had those little machines that like the wall greens by the pharmacy for however many years now you know and it's like The idea that you just don't have to be at that place in order to get the same uh data is It's not just like wow that's novel, but it's just really convenient and I think The stuff that I care about the most that's coming out of ces is convenient technology that we'll actually use It goes even further than that sarah So you could go to the doctor to wall greens and check your blood pressure once a month or whenever you go to buy toilet paper but um My friend bart had high blood pressure and he decided to fix it and by losing weight and exercising And so he used his apple watch to track it But what he was able to do uh was was start collecting metrics that all pulled together with his he had a home Kit to to do his blood pressure He was able to put that together with his exercise with his calories showing exactly what he ate and hand a report to the doctor And that was the doctor was just blown away at all the data He had to make decisions for or I'll make the right decisions now granted We'll have to separate the weed from the chaff but there's going to be some really interesting Health and wellness stuff and that that seems to be where wearables is heading and it seems to be a more fruitful direction The smart home stuff really is going to be the battle of google versus amazon Whether something is actually smart or whether it's just using the term ai And we're going to see it in everything smart tupperware. Like I said microwaves I really think the beauty gadgets are something to keep an eye on because Beauty is a an exploding category right now. It's got a ton of interest on places like youtube And and my wife's way into korean beauty products And if somebody can come up with the kind of mirror that that really captures an audience And isn't like a walled garden where it's like, oh, I have to only buy this one kind of product I think that could be really interesting I also feel like on the subject of staying healthy smart tupperware could tell me more readily when to throw out my leftovers Well, yeah, that's a good one. Sarah. I like that. There's a company. Uh, that has a scanner There's a company that has a scanner that's going to be showed off at ces for your food Yeah, it's from link square so you can scan your food and it'll tell you if it's safe or not Right. Yeah, like is that chicken like do I have to throw it out or I just have to like cook it a little bit hotter That's so cool I like that. I like it. Tom on the beauty thing. What are you thinking in in terms of ai and and uh, you know higher tech stuff for beauty Like what smart mascara? I don't get it What I'm thinking is you've got a mirror, uh, what that says Oh, you know, if you were to use this Innisfree facial mask It will actually make your face look like this and you know, it maybe does a representation Uh, or it analyzes your skin and says, oh, well, you need this kind of moisturizer or things like that Or something like this type of shading is good for this type of low light atmosphere, but not sunlight Totally totally. Oh, that's a good idea. Simulate the uh, the club not the sterile bathroom Do you want to look good? You want to look crazy? On your way to the market in noon. Do you want to look good in the club? Yeah Uh, yeah, so we're gonna see a lot of cars. Uh, nissan's brain to vehicle We talked about before byton has a bunch of the folks from faraday future which went under Uh, the the faraday future version that went under working for them So they're going to have their world premiere at china. There's the ojo commuter scooter lifts going to be showing off their semi-autonomous cars There's a tech wallet with a bluetooth that can Sound off a 95 decibel alarm if it's within 200 feet of you in case you misplace it Uh, nuerable is going to show off brain control for virtual reality arcades So you don't have to touch uh an our an arcade stick Uh occipital and mag days plan to show off new smart glasses that use augmented reality LG's been talking about their robots for hotels airports and supermarkets Huawei is going to introduce something for the us in their phone line Everybody's wondering what the sony xperia xa2 xa2 ultra and xperia l2 are going to look like And we're going to get our first snapdragon powered windows machines some wireless power stuff A bunch of smart city oriented stuff gaming accessories. We mentioned mad cats coming back So these are just some of the things To look for at ces. Thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit.com and facebook.com slash groups Slash daily tech news show. Let's check the mailbag sarah. You know, uh, normally we get a lot of written emails However, our email is now ai enabled. So we have a voice message from james from ervine who called in with some feedback for us Hey tom sarah roger and friends just calling to give you a little bit of feedback Love the show. That was it You know, it doesn't have to be long Gosh really nailed it Good good stuff. Thank you james for ervine It's always good to be on friends If you ever want to give us some feedback and feel like talking rather than writing all good. Yeah, do it Len peralta, what have you been drawing as we've been talking about smart toilets? Well, you know I could not I saw the smart toilet Talk in the uh in the feed And of course I had to draw The smart toilet what I'm looking forward the most to ces is of course seeing how this connected commode if you will Will uh will work with the uh the internet of toilets, which is what this is called It's a uh, it's called the internet of toilets. Uh, and it's a you know, there's a lot of things here There's virtual reality. There's uh, you know, there's the The guy with the little headset kind of showing it off that kind of stuff. So, uh as far as ces goes That's uh, that's going to be my big on my wish list. I think that's going to be great And of course I could not stop but draw some potty humorous I like I like a couple things about this love that he calls his Derriere a romp And I love the look of the guy who's introducing the Just to put them next to each other With his microphone, right? Right and just and just kind of smug about the whole thing Exactly Trying to capture that a little bit Listen folks, uh, if you're out of the audio podcast and you're like, wait, I need to see this or if you just want to have it for your own Uh, go check it out at lennparalta store.com and it was originally called the connected commode But I saw during the chat room, uh, I gosh, I wish I could see someone said the internet of toilets I thought that was a good joke. So uh, so it is now called the internet of toilets So can't wait. Good stuff else and chariden. Thank you so much for joining us the friday before ces. I know you're very busy Uh, so tell folks what you have going on these days. Well, probably the most fun. I've had recently was uh, rich straffolino Interviewed me for just so just alt it or is it just alt it? and the podcast it origins it's a It's an interview about my background in it because I did work with an honest job for 35 years And I kind of talk about the changes I've seen in it over the years and I I get a chance to rant on Some of my philosophies of how you shouldn't think if you're an it And uh, he was he was very patient to let me have my little rants And I it's just a little bit different thing doesn't really get into the podcast as much as my Former career. So I really enjoyed that and that is over at just alt it dot com Excellent a different take on pod feet. I like it There you go Hey, we're not just doing dts from ces. We'll also be live streaming from ces unveiled Showstoppers and digital experience in the evenings. So keep an eye out on our facebook page facebook.com Slash daily tech news show for that facebook live stream. Once again, that's at facebook.com slash daily tech news show Our email address is feedback at daily tech news show dot com We're live monday through friday at 4 30 p.m. Eastern 21 30 utc at alphakie radio dot com and diamond club dot tv And our email address is daily tech news show dot com We'll be back on monday live from unincorporated clark county at ces 2018 talk to that This show is part of the frog pants network get more at frog pants dot com Diamond club hopes you have enjoyed this bro I had a moment just now where I had to remind myself that i'm the one that makes that second part happen I was like now the diamond club thing happens. I'm like, oh, it doesn't happen if I I gotta do that I don't touch it. You know, it's funny if too many things are on autopilot and then One bit flips. You're just like, why did that happen? Yeah, I mean, you know, I I read our plug at the end of the show and at pretty much every show i'm always like Okay Like I know it by heart could could do it with my eyes closed but still yeah panic. No, that's funny titles you might like, um, we have uh The a name please flush iot the internet of toilet Oh, iot internet of toilets that one gets my vote. That's cute uh A who's wearing you a all of the things a flush my toilet 88 inches 8k ol ed hdr tv for the win ftw Color connects the crap. Oh too many k's Alex is Alex Is a dog in series a cat Alex see smart. I like that. Good work crowd. All right. Who is that sp? Sheridan? Well done James bone 25 meltdown I think they put a bunch of the other ones in there to see how many times we would read them out loud toilets are gross You know, that's the thing I have with all this connected bathroom technology Not one of them addresses the sanitation. Are you sure? Have you seen all of them? All right, not all of them You have good quads and you hover And then you can just tell why don't you ever touch the toilet generation toilet that cleans itself? I like that's the grossest thing about the toilet is having a clean Roger like we don't know like all we've seen is this one smart toilet from color. Maybe it does clean itself I haven't even looked into that and I don't want any kind of bs uv light that supposedly cleans it No, I want something that squirts a bleach wait It has to have a physical brush to go around It's got to be that blue water the blue water. So, you know that it's gotta It's got to stick my eyes with bleach. So I know it's clean I don't want to get this conspiracy from big ultraviolet telling me Big uv Can you imagine if it's a self-cleaning toilet? I imagine that's going to come at a pretty high price point But what price what price is too high for hygiene? Yeah, if you've got multiple bathrooms That's you know, I mean I replacing toilets. I am with you Roger I think self-cleaning toilet, you know, like an automatically cleaning toilet with sensors and connectivity to tell when it needs to be cleaned I think selling point when I was a kid I imagined because I used to hate public restrooms I imagined there would be a system where you could seal the door I'm like now hang out and flood the entire room With hot boiling water and bleach and let it just soak and then they would just like do a little whirlpool And everything would drain back out No, nothing would cure my needs quicker than a gas station bathroom. Like oh don't need to go anymore. Fine Do you have any gloves? I need gloves. Oh, believe me. It's not just gloves Bleach for my eyes You know what? I'm just going to dig a hole next to the to the gas station here in the ground Yeah, all right, so iot internet of toilets is winning Winner. I like it I saw that and it made me change the name of the of the image. So no, I think that's yeah That's got to be it clear winner. You know, I did want I I didn't get in in the yellow light in time But uh my favorite iot device I have is a WiIMO switch that's hooked up to a hot water pump That connects to my water heater. So it gives me hot water when I need it So instead of I never have to run the faucet anymore So wow, that's cool So what so that's a great example of it doesn't have to be convenience where you're like Get my shower warm. That's using a sensor to just know like, okay. This is what it needs to be hot Yeah, well, yeah, so it's got it. It's it's a pump that pumps a column of hot water at certain times a day Uh-huh. Oh, you know at 6 30 in the morning to do that. Is that how it works? No, it's not AI Okay, but it's got I've got in the WiIMO switch. We've said from this time to this time turn on the pump from this time this time So it keeps a column of hot water because for some reason it was taking like two to three minutes For the water to get hot and knowing how much water we were wasting was driving us crazy Yeah, where you do you have lots of Plumbing like length of plumbing. Yeah. Yeah, I was real far away, but you don't need it It's not a recirculating thing. So it's not like a loop. You don't have to replumb. It was like a 200 dollar device Have you thought about giving the under sink? Where you replace the water here you just have a localized heater. Yeah, but this does it for 200 bucks It gets hot water everywhere all the time. I mean when I want it You don't have cold water anymore though Not gonna work. Well, it's lukewarm water, but how often do you need cold water out of a out of a faucet? Wait, why does it heat your cold water? So it's because it isn't a Because there isn't a circle for the hot water line There's a valve under the farthest sink from the from the water heater And that little valve when the temperature gets too low That valve opens and pushes the column of hot water into the cold water line But sometimes you do need cold water. Yeah, but then where's the relief for the line? It's not enough to Cause a problem. It's not like it forces it too bad. It's it works But I mean if you need everyone to run the water it spews out of all of the faucets in her house Comes out of the toilet Self-cleaning Ah, I will put a link to my article about this because it was one of my favorite things On potty.com, of course. Yeah, put that in there. It's the best thing ever I'm gonna log off. I forgot to mention this on the show But I did mention that on twitter the daily tech news show instant art collection version 4.0 Is now available in my store. It's the 10 best images from last year that I choose Pretend that you were picking the best images all year last year and showed off to your friends. That's right Oh, yeah, there's some good ones in there for sure. And it was hard. It was a tough one I was like, oh, I want to put this one in there But you know, there's some good images in there and it is and there are now four instant art collections So that's a lemper all to store too, right lemper all to store.com. Yeah, for sure God, can you imagine we've been doing this for four years? I know right crazy crazy We're in our senior year and as we're graduating this year crazy And your acts got to get good scores starting your activity Do you still need to take both? I took both because I wouldn't better describe it ended up getting exactly the same My daughter took both But you got to get those college letters in decision time coming up at the end of this month Take our students so he doesn't stay here All right guys, we'll see you then are you going to log off the internet of toilets? I am I'm actually going to log on to the actual toilet Oh All right, thanks leg. Good. All right. Take care I shouldn't have done that but I couldn't resist Um get it Uh Yeah Well, I'm about to record security bits with bar blue shots where I think we have something to talk about this week Oh, well, that's so I might that is not unusual. You too always Yeah, this week might be a long one. If you're ready show. I don't know Slow news. Yeah, it seems like it's really dry. You should I just skip until next week skip. Yeah Yeah, good plan. Good plan. It is nice to get to do it Uh shortly, you know a little while after these things break Yeah, because I'm always thinking oh god, I wish I'd part on today and boy you wait a couple of days You don't sound nearly as dumb. Well, one of that's one of the things that was so Harrowing about this week was you know, I did that long explainer about uh, the the you know, the What became known as meltdown before it was meltdown and I'm like, oh my gosh They're coming out with more information everything I said yesterday is going to turn out to be wrong and luckily I was relying on peter bright for my information and he's a genius And so it was like, oh, okay. This is all now you're seeing The uh, what what is it? I keep forgetting What it is the The predictive whatever Oh, uh, uh, branch prediction. No, no Speculative execution speculative execution. I'm seeing that headlines now So I'm like, oh, okay. So we we lucked into it. That's good It's it's all back to the design philosophy of the chips. They wanted faster speeds. So they figured well, you know But you know, it wasn't irresponsible. It wasn't Faster speeds of the securities damn be damned. It was somebody just figured out how to exploit the timing of it Well, I'm not saying that you know, it was uh reckless or anything I just know you know that security wasn't the overriding concern when they were developing the chips I don't know if that's even fair. I I I don't think they expected I think they probably they're always thinking about security, but I don't think they expected Well, I mean kind of vulnerability and and the fact is anytime Someone finds a vulnerability. They find it in a place that nobody else expected it That's that's kind of the that's the game. And so I I'm I'm I'm leading the campaign to like Stop blaming people for Anyone I think you're jumping the gun on my comment What I'm saying is when they designed it that they did not They did not envision it being a security flaw in the way that it has been There you go. That's a better phrasing. Yeah, I mean just in the same way that You know Firewire is a security hole For most laptops or machines that use them because of the way it was designed It's because it was not people weren't thinking that you know, but that's I guess all I would say is that's every security flaw like nobody thought it was a security flaw when they Enabled it or they wouldn't have they wouldn't have built. Oh, I mean, that's you know, the things I mean, that's time time time will reveal all I'm gonna jam. All right. Thanks. Alison. Bye. I'll see you guys on Tuesday. Happy Friday. See you in big Person. All right. Bye Bye I also gave her the invite to the meetup Well, everybody has the invite to the meetup. Everyone has an invite to the meetup or meetup invite. Yeah, thank you Uh, I am going to Stop the broadcast. Okay, so we can do last minute Uh, last minute scheming. Yes. All right So long everyone. See you guys from CES. Yeah from Clark County