 Miyehti Allah says, Noveness managed Nigeria better than their sovereign counterparts. And Nigeria needs new liberation movement that's according to God the elect of a number, stage Charles Soludo. This is Blast Politics and I am Justin Akadone. Now the National President of the Miyehti Allah Katal Horror, Bello Bodigio says the association will not support a southern candidate for the presidency in 2023. Bodigio said Noveness managed the country better than their counterparts in the south. Now Bodigio also spoke on the grazing routes, other than that states should return areas earlier marked for reserves to herders. He stated that the ruga is the language of politicians and Katal colony is the language of people who want to eat government money. He also accused Samuel Othom, that's the governor of the state of plain politics with a full name. But joining us to discuss is Alex Obunaiya, he is the National Publicist Secretary of the Ohanezen Dibo. And the Miyehti Allah National Secretary will also be joining us Baba Osman. Many thanks for joining us. We begin with you Alex Obunaiya. Thanks for joining us on Blast Politics. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Alright, let's talk about the concerns of the Miyehti Allah. They said the Noveness managed Nigeria better than the southern counterpart. And they are saying come 2023, they will not be supporting any southerner for the elections. What are your concerns really? And what do you really think about all of that? Yeah, you asked two questions. Yes I did too. You asked, we talked about management of resources and also supporting the south Miyehti Allah saying they won't support. Okay, let us just start with management of resources. Let me answer the two. Alright, go ahead then. Yeah, in the fourth place Miyehti Allah, as the name suggests, are people who are, you know, itinerant traders. They are not opinion-moulders. They are not delit when it comes to serious politicking. You know, rare politics in Nigeria. They don't come in. But I don't want to believe that it has impact. It has no meaning. That's Miyehti Allah talking, Miyehti Allah talking. They are not opinion-moulders of the northern region. I've lived in the north before. I can tell you the opinion-moulders, not the Miyehti Allah. So what they have said is in consequential, with respect to whether they will vote or whether they will not vote. Understand the character of the north, especially the Miyehti Allah. You know, most of the people who find the Miyehti Allah have their bosses, their principals, you know, somewhere. That will always give them directions of what to do. So I don't count on the other count of people when it comes to rare politics in Nigeria. So coming to not going to manage resources more than the... better than the Southerners. Of course, such categorical statements, I don't want to join in it because... I don't want to join in it because in the north and as in the south, we have a good resource manager and a bad resource manager. But if I should look at Ibo, for example, everybody in Ibo, there's something that is giving to them. The ingenuity, the resourcefulness, you know, the tenacity. I believe to turn something, turn even, you know, things around from nothing. So no person can talk about Ibo when it comes to resource management. So, but all the same, you know, in the north, you have people come as well managing resources, where and the south the same. So that categorization is not very necessary. But I'm sure that no person can talk about Ibo, about people who do not have to manage resources. It's something with the west. And of course, the evidence is clear. If you come to every part of your state, you will see resourcefulness at play, you know, compared with some other places. So that comparison is not very, very important. It's not really necessary. But I'm sure that in the south, for example, we have come from, we are talking about resourcefulness. We are talking about ingenuity. We are talking about inventiveness and creativity. We are talking about the ability to turn something from nothing. We are talking about wealth, creation, and prosperity. So when you are talking about south-east, and it is something extended to the south-west. So who made that statement? Maybe it is expended in a statement in error. And it's an unnecessary categorization. All right. Thank you. All right, thank you. We'll come back to you later. We also have joining us on Baba Osman, who is the national publicist secretary of the Miatu Alakato Brevers Association. Good evening to you, Alhaji Osman. Thanks for joining us on Plus Politics. Thank you very much. My name is Baba Osman Galderna. I am not the secretary, I am the national secretary of Magban. Okay, the national secretary. We stand to be corrected. Thank you so much for that correction. Thank you for having me. Okay, let us just dive into the affairs. Really, you know, this particular discussion is actually more like a debate between who manages and the south, the country better, the north or the south. And the fellow bodiger was quoted as saying that the association will not support the candidate. Specifically, he went on to say that the north are better resource managers compared to, you know, the south. But then again, I just spoke with Alex Obonayahu who is the mouthpiece of the O'Haneis and he says that the statement of the Miatu council at Alakato is in consequential. What do you make of that? I didn't hear you very well because of the echo on the phone. I suppose the issue in discussion is about northern versus the south. Who manages the country better? I think it's about the statement made by the state of Miatu Alakato Hore. Yes, please. That group is on my group. I represent Miatu Alakato Breeders Association. But in my personal view, everybody, in the spirit of gift attack, gift of where he comes from. This is Nigeria for all of us. This is Nigeria for everybody. Obasan Joe was the president for quite some time. Jonathan becomes president. Nabuari is the president. So this is the way it is supposed to go. So I don't know why my colleague in the other association let the statement anyway. But since it came from my association, this is my personal view. Okay. If I should take that one step further, going forward in 2023, would your association, that's the Miatu Alakato Breeders Association, be supporting the sounders just in case maybe they are actually the flag bearers for most political parties? You say? Would the Miatu Alakato Breeders Association ordinarily support anyone who is not from the north and decent? Well, I didn't hear your question. It's because of the air power. The air power cannot allow me to hear what you say. Okay, I'll try and repeat again just in case you didn't hear. Let me try and ask the question. Can you hear me right now? Yeah, yeah. Okay, you said that Ben LeBordejo is not part of your association, but I'm now taking it a step further. Ordinarily would Matt Ben support a candidate in 2023 who is not from the north? Well, you see, Miatu Alakato Breeders Association is a democratic association. We have presentation in almost all the local governments and the states of the federation. We don't take decisions just like this. Before we take decisions that affect national issues, we have to contact each and every part of our membership. We have to contact the Congress before we come out with a position. And since our association is political association, we cannot make any comment now until when the parties are presented to candidates. We have to wait until when the parties have selected their candidates before we sit and see which of the candidates, which of the political parties is appealing to us, which of the political parties can provide the demands of our members before we decide to support anybody, whether he's coming from the north, wherever he's coming from. That should be a decision of the Congress of my association. Alright, thank you so much. Osmanjos Hanguon, let's bring Alex Obonaya into this particular discourse. Another concern of Miatu Alakato in their interview, they talked about, Alex Obonaya, can you hear me? I'm here with you. Okay, so they talked about him, the Ruga, which has actually been a controversial overtime since we've had them, and the farmers have heard this crisis in Nigeria, but Bellobody just says the Ruga is the politician's language where cattle colony is the language of people who want to eat government money. He was talking about grazing reserves and all of that. There seems to be no end in sight over this issue of grazing. So what is the position of the Ohanez and Dibu concerning this issue of Ruga and grazing in Nigeria? I'm talking about grazing routes or grazing reserves of Ruga. Yes, go ahead, yes. Well, we are talking about grazing routes. My border, something that is clear that doesn't require much argument is that what operated, what function operated 60 years ago cannot, of course, operate now. We're talking about roots or grazing roots about 50 years ago. Evidently, some of those places used to be grazing roots are no more as they used to be. Some of them have some views erected on them, roots created, structures change. So evidently, the grazing roots of about 40, 30 years ago can no longer be as it was. So we are saying that what obtained about 60 years ago cannot cognitively obtain now. So with respect to grazing roots, as a moral fact, we are in a modern civilization. Modern civilization does not really give room for somebody taking cattle from the north down to the Porakot. A first mob is made, these boys that are taking these cattle, they should go to school. In fact, when you look at Patorial Nomadism, it's in the two places about 200, 200 years ago. There's no civilized world today you find the people following cattle from the north down to the south. It is even in the north that they have grazing reserves. When a person wants to go and buy cattle, cattle can always go there and buy it. If you come to Enuku, they have a place where you can go and buy the cattle. They come with lorries into the Enuku community. So the issue of going to the cattle roots, the grazing roots, it's not necessary this millennium. It's something that is outdated. Something that existed about 200 years ago. And we are saying that those fields that are modern can no longer be now. So that is what our position is. More importantly, it is in the grazing roots that you have conflict between the herdsmen and the local farmers. And all this is about sources of conflict. I think it's important that we reduce the sources of conflict. For example, here in Enuku a full animal was a chairman of the local government. He contested with one animal. He won an animal. The animal that he contested again in the after four years, he still won the election. In the municipality. So this is the kind of election that existed between the people and the north. But I tell these young people now, some of them are not even in the house and some of them are not even full animal. Some of them are from outside. When they have conflict with the local farmers, so that before you know it will escalate and it will appear as if it is Yoruba versus North or Igbo versus Fulani or this and that. So when you see a source of conflict, the best way is to remove the source of conflict for harmonious coexistence. Alright. Okay. Thank you so much. I'm Alex Obonnaya. Let's bring back Bala Osman if we won't. Bala basically you have heard from Alex that he feels that the issue of embracing roots actually you know, outsmarted because the Mayor Katao Hor is saying that all these governments, even before they were born, I'm quoting them for birthday and said they had them these grazing roots somewhere gazaded, while others were not. Do you really think embracing roots should be brought back because right now Alex Obonnaya feels that it is what causes all the problems between farmers and farmers. I just should be talking about reducing the source of conflict. So Ruga is a way forward. What's your position really? Alright. We'll try and reconnect again with Bala Osman who is the National Secretary of the Mayor Katao Breeders Association of Nigeria. We still have Alex Obonnaya who is the National Publicist Secretary of the Hones and Igbo. The National President of the Mi'ete is actually saying that there seem to be some division between the south really. That's why he feels that they are not really better managers. He says that for the north there's no distinction between where you're from, where the other person is from, but he says in the south, at least you talk about the Yoruba should come first and the Igbo should come first or even those from the south should come first. Do you really think that the south are not really better managers or pushing a common front that would actually better the chances ahead of 2023? Well, in every region where I had ethnic forces at play and Afranagia is a major issue. It's what we call centrifugal forces, ethnic forces at play. No person can deny that fact. If you go to the south area, the green area is very distinct from the AUSA area. The AUSA recognizes the Fulani in the Amist. If you go to Benwe, you will see that it's still in the north but TV people recognize themselves as a nationality and they move away from there and go to Platte State where we have a choice of people. They are recognized, they recognize themselves with a distinct identity. So there's no need to even discuss on that. So it is somewhere with the south, we have the Europe and we have the Edo. It's how we found ourselves as Nigeria and that is why we need to negotiate the kind of coexistence that should go on into what we call federalism. Federalism gives autonomy to each group. In fact the lowest group should have a certain level of autonomy. That is what federalism guarantees. But unfortunately with the lentors of the military, you now find a kind of uniform of administration which is not good for Nigeria. So we are saying that each region has got its own ethnic forces at play. You know, I understand the political country can go to tell you that. But however what is important is that the southern region, unlike what the south has say, unlike what people used to see in the past we've been able to manage our differences. For example, when Jonathan contested elections as a present we see how the whole south the whole, let me use the word south east, you know, voted south side voted. In fact, almost all parts of the south voted Jonathan. There was no ethnic demarcation or distinction in that election, isn't it? The other time, the south and the middle bear leadership forum have a position that any fighter zones places away from the south east or south from the south will not give the support and backing of all these ethnic groups. You can see unity at work. Unity in diversity. We recognize that we have diversity but then we have capacity to unite each other. Let me just come back to you because I need you to clarify the air if you feel that ethnicity has actually been the problem in other countries and politics over the years. But I haven't, but before we had that disconnect, I wanted to get your opinion concerning the issue of grazing reserves and of course, the way forward, if Ruga actually is that particular issue that we should be talking about right now because Belu seems to think that Nigeria should be going back to grazing routes although Alex Obonaya is saying that grazing routes are actually the major causes of conflict between farmers and heathers. What are your thoughts really? I think we are having issues connecting with him. We will just stay with Alex Obonaya as we try to round off on this particular discourse. So before I tried getting back to him, I asked a question Eva, you think that ethnicity is actually the bane of the nation's politics and it has actually done us more harm than good? Yeah, the fact remains on the management of ethnicity. Ethnicity is going to be a problem not just in Nigeria but in the whole of Africa. It will be too often one to believe that the whole of Africa has over 2,000 ethnic groups in Africa. I don't even know whether the Tower of Babel took effect in Africa. So it's always a problem because each ethnic group will have a wealth in what we call ethnocentrism. Having interest in particular ethnic group is always a problem. However, somebody can create if we can come out with a philosophical, ideological framework that will be bigger than ethnicity. That will be bigger than ethnicity. For example, the first comment of Bahari when he talked about war against the discipline. He took the space. Ethnicity became a secondary. Everybody will focus on how to fight war against the discipline. So there is a philosophy you can create that will take care of all these things. If somebody comes to say, I want to create an employment. Employment does not recognize ethnicity. Something a philosopher's idea does not recognize ethnicity. What we have is people that are unable to manage the success of various ethnic groups. That is the only thing we have, leadership problem. Ethnicity has come to stay. There is no way we can wish it away. But what we are looking for is those who can manage the ethnic groups. In fact, there is what we call ethnic forces. For example, if you are coming to a place like Anambra, you will see how people from Anisha, you will see how from Neiwi, you will see how people can manage this. All these are subethnic interests. But what Soludo is trying to do is to create an ideology that is so big and so large that people will no longer remember all these subethnic forces. The same thing happens in the nation. When we are fighting independently, what occupied the mind of everybody was how the white would go, how to fight colonialism. That was a mobilization platform for everybody. So a good leader will create something that will mobilize everybody so that the issue of ethnicity becomes a country. There is no way we can wish away ethnicity. But it depends on how we manage. One of the best ways to manage ethnicity is through federalism. All of us will go to Canada, go to Switzerland, go to India, go to some of these other places with diverse ethnic interests. We will manage it through the four-point federalism and locate an ideology that is over women that will counter the ethnic interests at the bottom. So that's it. And above all, try to create a philosophy for excellence. So that's how the excellence is driven. So when you see somebody who knows walking, the vulnerable, the weak, hope you understand when you see somebody who is a hospital allow somebody who is a specialist in medicine to take over and drive the process. But you think, Alex, do you think we can actually get to that particular point where Nigerians would actually want to choose leaders based on merit, based on their pedigree and not necessarily where they come from. You said that truth be told that ethnicity cannot be done away with Nigeria. It's just about managing it. You've mentioned countries like the US, Canada, India who actually have put the concept of federalism forward and they've been able to manage the differences. But how do we get there? When can we get there in Nigeria where we can put ethnicism aside and just to make sure that the right man from the planet is there? Practice careful leader and do it. It's very simple. A leader with programs that has sufficient programs that can occupy the mind of everybody. Give an example of what is the war against ethnicity. People who are not because of war against ethnicity have to find corruption at that time and they don't know where we come from. That is the kind of... When Muhammad came on board people were focused on what he was doing and forgot about the fact that he was outside. So when he died people were crying that was the kind of... But would the Orhanism Debo ordinarily vote for a man and just in case maybe he's not from the Southeast and they feel that he indeed has the pedigree and he has all the qualities to manage Nigeria. Orhanism Debo stand for a man who is not from the Southeast part of the country. For now what really happened is he came up with the rotation of presidency. That is what is going on now. Rotation of presidency and it becomes inconceivable for one to begin to think about Ibu voting a hundred persons outside Ibu because it's the turn of Ibu to produce the president for Nigeria now. So that is something that is very clear. So it is difficult for any Ibu really of what to begin to contemplate voting a hundred persons outside Ibu Southeast. So that one is a different board game. But assuming that in course of time and the course of... I remember that Alexi Wayman the group came up with this seasonal structure. They were not thinking of a permanent feature for political future for Nigeria. They were saying that by the time each political zone geopolitical zone has tested the power to become easier for us to begin to manage ourselves. You know they were not looking at this as a permanent political feature for Nigeria. So what your question is okay. But this is the position of Honez and Ibu. In fact all of this is not for now. It is our talk. Thank you so much. Mr. Alex Omonaia national publicity secretary of the Honez and Ibu thanks for your comment and of course your input on this particular we're joined by Baba Osman national secretary of Mietu Alakato Breeders Association of Nigeria. We do appreciate your time gentlemen. Alright thank you for staying with us. We'll take a short break now and when we return Nigeria needs a new liberation movement according to not the president right now the governor of Anambra State Charles Saludo more in a moment. Do join us again.