 Commit Council to order. Would you call it open? Bowman? Here. Berg? Here. Bonet? Here. Serda? Here. Graf? Here. Manny? Here. Montamara? Here. Perez? Here. Peterson? Here. Brinflash? Here. Sadali? Here. Is she called? No. Oh, she called? Don't know. I didn't get to call so, but if she called, excuse me. Stefan? Here. Van Akron? Here. Van Der Wiel? Here. Excuse. Wongaman? Here. Warner? Here. 14 present. Corms present. Before we get into the agenda, just a little note. This morning Alderman Van Der Wiel and his wife Jody had a baby girl. Jaden Marie, 7 pounds, 7 ounces, 19 and a half inches long, and they're all doing well. If anyone wants to send a card from the council or if you want to send something, please let me know. She's at St. Nicholas Hospital in Room 248, so I think it would be appropriate we send a card from the council. Any objections? All right. Alderman Warner, approval of minutes. I thank you. I'm going to move the minutes of the last Common Council meeting and be approved. The same stand has entered on the record. Second. Moved to second that minutes of the previous meeting stand approved under discussion. Are you not all in favor? Aye. Opposed? Motion carried. Pledge allegiance Alderman Warner. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. We have one hearing this evening, and that's to amend the text that is owning ordinance to create section 1528Y, so as to prohibit outdoor wood burning, fire wood burning furnaces as accessory uses in all districts. Any interested person wishing to be heard? Is there any interested person wishing to be heard? Alderman Warner. Thank you, Your Honor. Move the hearings to be closed. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Motion carried. Public form? First we have Mr. Joseph Weber. Mr. Weber, can I get your home address, please? Joseph Weber, 1028 Logan Avenue, Sheboygan. Okay. 53083. Okay, thank you, and you have five minutes, sir. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Councilmembers. This evening I'd like to talk to you and give you a little history lesson, and maybe a little slap on your wrist. I grew up here in Sheboygan in the 40s and the 50s. At that time, Sheboygan was a very closed city. What was said by politicians, by church members and teachers, you didn't question. It was a society built on out of sight, out of mind. I remember going to Redskins games and sitting on the stage at the Armory, going to the Sheboygan Indian Games and sitting in a fenced-in area, because we were kids. We were just supposed to be there, but not heard. A lot of us, after finishing school here, went on to college, left town. Some of us went on to service. We found out there was a real world out there made up of different people. Now, a lot of you don't remember that Sheboygan used to have the flats. When you lived there, you were considered lowly people. They had the Sheboygan Indians, had a black catcher by the name of Johnny Roseboro, who couldn't spend the night in Sheboygan. But when we left the city, we found a new world. I lived in Dallas for over 30 years, took interest in city government and school board problems. One thing I noticed in Dallas growing up there during the 60s, 70s, and 80s, these were times of civil rights, the Vietnam War, the hippie generation, the good times and bad times that Dallas experienced. Many people addressed the city council, but not one time did I witness or see that a person that addressed the city council from the outside was questioned or looked down upon. A lot of us aren't used to being public speakers. We're not educated. We're just the run of the mill. We get five minutes, but sometimes in the course of that five minutes, that person might have one sentence that's very important, and we should be treated that way. During that time, that's what probably makes the difference between a growing city and a dying city, because we don't care for each other to your last council meeting in the last three or four years. I watch all the council meetings and watch them live, even as they come on tape later on. And I'm hurt to see that a member of the city gets up and talks, and sometimes you all might not disagree with him, but you show it by your outside actions. You know, actions speak louder than words. That's the whole phrase. And my parents, if they were living, their phrase would be, I don't know if you all know German, but that used to be the old German phrase when things went wrong. But the last council meeting, Mr. Henry Capitola was talking. Now, here's a man I know what the work he does and what he gives to the city. Now, we all can't be ribbon-cutters or shovel using the ceremonial shovel to turn over the dirt. But a lot of these people that come to the podium here, they're the ones that pick up that ceremonial shovel and they actually do the work to make the city better. And that's what Henry does. He might not live in the city, but what that man does and the people he takes care of, you should be awful thankful to. If those same people did not have a place to stay and they were roaming the streets here in Sheboygan, you wouldn't be very happy. But he takes them and gives them a place to live, affordable housing, which Sheboygan doesn't have. So please treat these people good. And you know, you might not disagree with them, but golly gee, you know, we don't need that in this city if you want it to grow. Otherwise, put a fence around it and say, check your minds there at the city limits, just like they did in the old West when you checked your guns. Thank you for your attention. Thank you. Okay. Mr. Caputelo? Mr. Caputelo, could you give me your address again, please? 1619 North 38th Street. 1619? North 38th. Thank you. And you have five minutes, please. Okay. The reason I'm here again, this council meeting is because of the last council meeting and what happened after I left the podium. Once a speaker leaves the podium, we're not able to respond. We can't have a debate from the gallery. We basically have to be quiet. And I didn't say anything just out of respect for the rules of just being a good citizen. But I'm here today just to let you know that every time that I've come and spoken to the city council, at no time did I try to mislead you by saying that I was representing someone else or that I didn't live in the city. When I come here, I either represent Home Inc., which is the company that I work with. I sometimes come here to represent the citizens' action group because I'm their spokesperson. Or else I'm here representing myself. And by looking at what was said after I spoke by Alderman Warner and basically saying that I didn't live in the city, and it kind of gave me the impression that, well, if I don't live in the city, I don't have anything to say about what happens within the city. But I think that's totally wrong because what happens is what happens in the city impacts the entire community, meaning the other townships, the villages. And I can give you an example. You have representatives from the city of Sheboygan that are in different districts to the city that actually sit on the county board, which they represent the city. You have individuals that have come and you have changed the city ordinance to allow people outside the city to... I'll give you an example. Alderman Warner changed the rules so that you could have attorney Bill T. Winkle, who lives in Usberg, to be able to sit on the ethics committee, to have Mr. Rudnick, who lives in, I think, Crystal Lake. We're talking, these communities are at least 18, 20 miles away from the city of Sheboygan. I live within 280 feet from the city of Sheboygan. And I think that just that alone should give me as much right as anyone else to be able to come and to be able to speak and to be able to be able to be heard. I think what happens is sometimes you don't want to hear what the message is. So what you do, and just like in the Roman times when the general had a bad time, the battle didn't go right, he sent the messenger to Caesar and the messenger was beheaded because he did not like what the message was. And even though you do not like the message, you should at least have the courtesy to be able to listen to and to be able to consider what is being said. And what I did is I looked up in the dictionary and there are several definitions that I have. One that I would like to read off here and that's basically discrimination. The act of discriminating, the facility of distinguishing or discriminating discernment, the state of being discriminating or set apart. The other definition is bigoted, having the character of a bigot, belonging to a bigot, showing blind attachment to opinions. Bigotry, the practice of tendons of a bigot, obstinate or blind attachment to a particular creed or to a certain tendons, unreasoning zealous intolerance. What happens in both of these definitions, they don't have to be because a person is a minority. You can discriminate against other individuals. You can discriminate against an association. You can discriminate against a person who doesn't have to be minority, can be non-minority and can be discriminated against. You have people now that are filing lawsuits against universities because it's reverse discrimination. So in these things, the key things are opinions. If you really didn't want to listen to the opinions of the public, then I think that being a politician is not where some of you should be. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you. Anyone else? Yes. Dulcey Johnson, please. Dulcey, can you give me your home address, please? It's 1306 North Third Street, Sheboygan. Mayor Schramm, council members. I would like to use my time to talk to you about dollars and cents, as in common sense. I have followed with interest the discussions and news reports about the current budget process. I was especially interested in a recent story in the press which quoted Alderman Groff as saying, I would guess most Alderman would feel comfortable with a 5% or less tax increase closer to zero. Dulcey, can you pull the mic a little closer so we can hear a third here? Oh. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. I was especially interested in a recent story in the press which quoted Alderman Groff as saying, I would guess most Alderman would feel comfortable with a 5% or less tax increase closer to zero than five. Alderman Groff, I would presume that most of your constituents would also be more comfortable with a 0% increase, which makes perfect sense given our already high taxes. I haven't weighed in with any budget suggestions, but one that immediately comes to mind is outsourcing. However, when I mentioned this at a public forum about a year or so ago, I was greeted with moans and groans from some council members. I am ever amazed that with all of the new industrial development, redevelopment and annexations resulting in an increased tax base and all the rhetoric about how vital this or that project is because it will increase our tax base, the result is always higher taxes. Evidently, the prevailing economic theory is that a bigger tax base means more tax dollars to spend with never a thought that a bigger tax base could mean lower taxes. Shortly, you will be voting on citing a new police station and you will have the opportunity to save close to a million dollars on this project. If you take the building use committee's recommendations and can resist caving into the pressures from the county board. There are three properties in question. A park that is not well used and is the preferred location of the independent consultants hired to evaluate the options. I love our parks. They are a great asset to our city, but in my opinion, we have reached the point of having more parks than we can afford to maintain. And then there is the county-owned property, evidently, the county does not need and wants to sell to the city. And the city-owned parking lot, which the city evidently does not need and which the county could use and would generously accept without paying the city anything for it. Evidently, this makes perfect sense to the county board, including some supervisors who were elected to represent city constituents. I hope it does not make sense to you. Secondly, the county is dangling the carrot of shared services if the city opts for the 23rd Street site. You need to ask how? Why does citing the city's police station on 23rd Street make sharing services more feasible, more acceptable than locating the police station elsewhere? Sounds to me like my way or the highway. If the county is truly sincere about sharing services, shouldn't this be possible if the police station is located at the Sheridan Park site? If the county does not need the 23rd Street site, perhaps they should sell it to the private sector. And if they need more parking, why not lease or buy the lot at 7th and Penn from the city? But maybe this makes too much sense. And now for the stick. In presenting the case for the county on July 6, Adam Payne stated that if the city goes for the land swap deal and gives the 7th and Pennsylvania parking lot to the county, the county wouldn't have to build a two or three million dollar parking ramp. But then I also seem to hear that if the city doesn't opt for the 23rd Street site, then the county may have to punish the city by taking properties on 5th Street off the tax rolls and building a ramp. And that doesn't make a lot of sense because if the parking lot could solve their parking needs, it doesn't matter where the police station is located and why raise the idea of an expensive parking ramp except to bully the city into accepting the land swap deal. Personally, I would like to see the police station downtown, but that doesn't seem to be on the table. The choice is Sheridan or 23rd Street, and the former seems to be the better choice for reasons pointed out by Alderman Berg in a letter to the press, which makes a lot of sense. Alderman Berg noted the easy access to the Sheridan site, the fiber optic accessibility, the opportunity for underground parking, and the need for the council to make decisions in the best interest of the taxpayers. In this case, a potential savings of almost one million dollars. I strongly support sharing services, but though we're hearing a lot of talk from the county now about shared services, don't hold your breath. We've been down that road before. I urge you to use good, common sense in making your decision and in committing your constituents' tax dollars. Thank you. Thank you. Jamie Shram. Jamie, can you give me your home address, please? 1227 North 29th Street. North 29th. Thank you. And you have five minutes. Thank you. Good evening, and thanks for allowing me to share a few moments of your time. I know you often hear about the things that people want, don't like, or think the city of Sheboygan should pursue in the future. Many of these are great ideas, and some of them end up becoming reality. However, I'm here tonight to briefly say thanks. Thanks to all of our elected officials and to those who serve on many of the various committees, commissions, and civic organizations within our community who have brought about an incredible transformation in Sheboygan, on which they strengthened their hometown pride and ensured a bright future for our children. Speaking of our children, it was during a recent trip through a downtown area that made me realize just how special we as a community have become. I had the opportunity to spend an entire vacation day with my six-year-old son, and made plans to take in the sights and sounds of A Street and finish a day at Breaker Bay Water Park. The very fact that one of them would have made plans to spend an entire day in A Street would have been unimaginable when I was my son's age, a point he drove home in his own unique way. As we passed the Above and Beyond Children's Museum, my son took the opportunity to remind me that I needed to renew our membership because it was a really cool place to have fun. Not long after that, we passed the Stephanie H. Weill Center, and I again got hit with another question. Gee, Dad, think they'll show the Wizard of Oz there again like they did last year? We got to talking about the Weill Center, and I got the inevitable, what was the theater like when you were my age? My only recollection was that it had gotten damaged by water, and no one really thought of it as a special place. And since my alderman, Bob Peterson, was instrumental in its renovation, I'll say thanks to all those involved who have given us a gem of a facility. We passed a few people we knew and had a conversation with friends. We went to a coffee shop or two, many of which have sprung up in recent years, each having something unique to offer a community. As we passed the library, still one of the finest in the country. My son reminded me his books were returned on time, and I wouldn't have to pay any late fees. It was at this point he asked me if I spent much time on A Street when I was six. I told him it was known as Plaza 8 back then. There wasn't a children's museum, there wasn't a renovated theater, and there weren't all the coffee shops. We took a walk out to the Northlight House, and I got asked a question, has a marina been there a long time dead? I told him since the early 1990s. Got the same question when we went walking along to Boardwalk. When I explained to him at the riverfront was a muddy path with trees, rocks, and people's unwanted items, he asked, where did everyone sit for the fireworks? I explained they were shot off into Land Park, and people sat there. Rotary Park just didn't exist. Oh, you mean over by the fish cleaning station? That smells funny. He understood. At the end of our walk, we were both eager to relax, so we put off Raker Bay for another day. In time, parents all over the Sheboygan area will realize what a wonderful escape that water park is, especially when Mother Nature spoils plans to spend a day at the beach or in the middle of winter when everyone is eager for spring. We made it to Raker Bay the next day, and afterwards had the chance to have dinner at one of Blue Harbor's restaurants. A group of people dining nearby, our table made this remark, I can't believe this isn't Sheboygan. Sheboygan may have been very good when I was six. Today, as my son will attest to, it continues to get better. It's not just better because of the children's museum, the wild center, the marina, Blue Harbor, Rotary Park, the riverfront, the coffee shops, our library, our those funny smelling fish cleaning stations. It's better because of all the people who challenged us along the way worked hard and believed in our community. Their efforts, their courage, and their vision speak volumes as the great spirit in our community. A spirit that says believe. This is Sheboygan. And the great part is we get to call it home. Thanks. Thank you. Jean Wilhelm. Mr. Wilhelm, can you give me your home address, please? Yes. I live at 1328 Lens Court. Lens Court? Lens Court. And you have five minutes. Thank you. Mayor Shram, council members, thank you for this opportunity to speak to you. My name is Jean Wilhelm. I have lived on the corner of North 13th Street and Lens Court since 1981. I have had two businesses here in Sheboygan and several apartments. In my current business, I have five people working for me. One of them is from Germany. Another one is coming to work and study with us in September of this year. My concern is this letter to the editor written in July 9th issue of the Sheboygan press. I am told it was written by your son mayor, Jamie Shram. In this letter, he attacks the local citizens action group calling them a lynch mob. I have been to a meeting or two of theirs and find them anything but a lynch mob. They seem to be concerned citizens and nothing more. I also believe they do not limit their interest to the city only. Then Jamie goes on to attack people like Marilyn Montemire. Who is my alderman? He also attacks Juan Perez who I have known as a friend for over 20 years and who by the way has a law degree from the University of Wisconsin, Madison. His next attack victim is Henry Capitolo who is a North High graduate and classmate of my wife. He has more experience helping the underprivileged than all of us in this room put together. He is even attacked because he might live on 38th street. What difference is it if he lives on 138th street? It seems like when legal advice is needed by the mayor's office you can hire a attorney that lives in Ustberg. At the last council meeting your very first speaker Adam Payne was from Plymouth. In fact every paragraph in this letter contains a lie. It should never have been printed in paper. I believe it is not only our right as citizens but our duty and obligation to question our legal representatives regarding their actions. In reality you are still elected with this kind of animosity towards anyone who speaks to you and this council who might disagree with you or question you and your decisions along with all the infighting and personal attacks in this very council room I am wondering how you accomplish anything. Finally I would like to quote one of the current political phrases that I despise if you approve this message in the paper I believe that you and or your son Mr. Schramm all the people mentioned in this letter a very sincere and public and a very humble apology. Thank you. Thank you. That's it. That's it. Okay. Okay. Consent agenda. All of them in order. Thank you. I move that all of us be accepted and placed on file. All of our C's be accepted and adopted in all resolutions. Substitute resolutions and ordinances be passed. Second. Let's move to the second. All of our O's be accepted and filed. Our C's be accepted and adopted. Resolutions and ordinances be put upon your passage. Alderman Perez. Thank you mayor. I have a question regarding 810. 810. I may ask we are filing the request by Mr. McDonald. I have a peaceful place on the rotary on Indiana. My question is did the committee consider other locations? Committee. Who's in the committee? The recommendation from the plan commission was to file the document. There was no discussion on other locations. However, it did come up that that certainly could be a possibility to look at other sites. And I guess I would ask the mayor or Alderman Warner if they had any additional comments with regards to what that was staff's take of the matter. Because we are looking at the artwork that is already existing in the rotary. Alderman Warner. That's what I was just going to say. It was already an art. Okay. And I guess my concern is that perhaps we should look at our locations. I know Larry McDonald quite well and mayor you do too. We serve with the Kiwanis Club and he is a very dedicated man to peace and acceptance of diversity and to have something like this would be very symbolic and appropriate for a city that's been very progressive and accepting diversity itself. I would ask that the committee reconsider and in that respect I would make a motion to refer back to the city planning commission for consideration. We have motion before us in a second under discussion. Hearing none all in favor. Excuse me. I was just going to say the plan commission it goes there because it's required to go there before setting monuments in a particular location. It's not really the plan commission that comes up with ideas as to where to put things. It's there to make recommendations on whether or not that's an appropriate place for it. You know, I don't know if you want to direct the plan commission to look at other areas to put it or to call Mr. McDonough. You could do that but that may be more appropriate in another committee I would think Alderman for us. Go ahead. Thank you. And I guess that would be the thing to do is refer back to the planning commission and let them decide that yes we approve but we need to find location. The planning commission can refer it back to where they want to. Alderman. I think perhaps we could just refer the issue straight to public works and save a couple of weeks in there. Go to public works they can look and see if they can find a site and that would have to come back to the plan commission. We did the same thing with the Among Memorial that actually went to the public works I think first and ended up pulling out a plan commission. So do you want to amend your motion? Thank you. We have a motion to send this to public works. Another discussion. All in favor? Opposed? Motion carried. Anything else on the documents from 8.1 through 8.22? Alderman. I just wanted to speak a little on document 8.20. Document 8.20 speaks to the city's emergency operations plan that was going over by Deputy Chief Latusky of the Fire Department. He's chairman of the emergency planning committee and it was a great deal of effort to get this plan coordinated not only with the county but up to state standards and things to keep it current so that if the city ever needs an operations plan that deals with all emergencies across the gamut that it's up to them. Deputy Chief Latusky spent a lot of time putting this together and he did a great job. Thank you. Motion carried. Who would you call the roll please? Burke. Bonet. Certa. Graf. Manny. Montemayor. Perez. Peterson. Rinflaich. Stefan. Van Ackren. Wongerman. 827 through 833 to be referred. 834 we will refer to salary and grievance. 835 Alderman Bauman, Berg, Cigali, Rinflaich, and Peterson allowing the Shabuigian Club to utilize the south half of the trailer parking area for additional parking purposes during the 2005 Lightning North American Championships August 13th through the 15th. Alderman Bauman. Thank you, Your Honor. I move that the resolution be put upon its passage. Moving to second resolution be put upon its passage. Under discussion. Under discussion, Your Honor, this will be in the event that will be happening in the year 2005, not 2004. And the fact is this is like the PGA of sailing is what it's going to be. And he did offer after long discussion and committee a few things that we didn't expect them to offer. So we're very pleased with this resolution. Hearing no other discussion we don't need to roll on. All in favor? Opposed? Motion carries. 836 will lie over. 837 through 840 to be referred. 841 to be referred. I'm on licensing recommending denying beverage operators license. Alderman Bauman. Thank you, Your Honor. Make a motion to accept and adopt the report of committee. Thank you. Move to second to accept and adopt the report of committee. Alderman Bauman. License number 5732 Peter Brieke. Are you present tonight? License number 6393 Amanda Cobb. Amanda Cobb, are you present? Amanda Cobb is not present, Your Honor. And third is license number 6392 Laura Stanley. Laura Stanley, are you present? Your Honor, 90 people are present. If there is no other discussion would you call it roll please? Serta. Mani. Montemayor. Perez. Peterson. Rindflash. Stefan. Van Akron. Wongerman. Bauman. Berg. And Bonet. 14 ayes. Motion carried. 842 by law and licensing recommending denying various license. And second before. It's under discussion. Alcohol license number 1776 for Terry and Donna Altman of Gold Rush. Are you present? Beverage operating license number 5301 Terry Altman. Terry Altman, are you present? Beverage operating license number 5108 Michael Gibbertson. Michael Gibbertson, are you present? He's not present. Beverage operating license number 6419 Joseph Jensen. Joseph, are you present? He's not present, Your Honor. And Beverage operating license 4042, Melissa Vlicka. Melissa, are you present? I'd like to amend this and refer back to committee. Beverage operating license 5645, we were seen to be referred by committee. Any second? Okay, we have a amendment on the floor in a second under discussion. All of you step up. I guess, Your Honor, you know, most of these are beverage operators license, which I understand we don't pass them in they can't operate by themselves, obviously. The first one is the alcohol license. Does that mean that establishment is closed or one of the ramifications is that? I don't remember any. What was the question, Your Honor? Number one was actually an alcohol license. Correct. Does that mean that business is closed or they just cancel alcohol? Without a license, no. It's the Gold Russian. They have been closed since mid-May. And they've done a renewal on their license. However, they have no intention of opening. They're just holding it for a new buyer to come in. So they are closed. Are we allowing them to hold that? Or we can give it to somebody else if they want? Yes. Address him. Also, it should be noted that based on failure to cooperate with the committee and failure to reveal all violations. Right. There's no other discussion on amendment. Would you call the roll? Graf. Mani. Perez. Rindflash. Vanakren. Warner. Berg. Bonnet. Serta. 14 ayes. Motion carried. No. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'd like to make a motion to accept and adopt the amended I guess report of committee. We have a motion to be passed in a second. Under discussion. Hearing none, would you call the roll please? Mani. Montamara. Rindflash. Vanakren. Warner. Berg. Serta. Graf. 14 ayes. Motion carried. 843 and 844. Yeah. No, excuse me. 843 by strategic fiscal plan. Do you want to send back to committee? Yes. Okay. That will be referred back to strategic committee. 845 and 846 also. And also with 845 and 846. 844 will be referred to public protection of safety. And building use. And what? It's got and building use on here too. And building use? Yes. Public protection of safety and building use. 847 will lie over. 636. 636 by city plan. Recommending passing ordinance creating section in a zoning code. So as to prohibit outdoor word burning furnaces as accessory uses in all districts. Alderman. Warner. I move to accept the file of the report of officer and that the ordinance be passed. Second. Second that we accept and file the report of officer and ordinance be put upon this passage. Under discussion. If it's possible I'd ask that the council or the committee or somebody be assigned to put together a press release explaining exactly what this is about. There's a lot of confusion going on. I don't know if the press or the radio is going to pick up on it tonight or if they have enough time to do it but it'd be appropriate for somebody to take charge and put together a press release to explain to the people what exactly is allowed and what isn't. Who will handle it? Alderman Bauman. Exactly. Just agreeing with Alderman press but while we have the cameras on TV8 here it would be appropriate to a short discussion of what we're banning and what we're not banning. Okay your honor thank you very much. The outdoor furnaces that are being banned in this particular ordinance is the type that would be placed outside of a home. Much like the type that you see in rural areas to heat a home basically or an outbuilding for about a 24 hour period. What they would do is put a load into this furnace of either green wood, regular wood could be the corn that some of these furnaces burn or whatever and it's made to smolder basically and heat during this 24 hour period could be summer, could be winter, could be fall, could be spring, could be anytime of the year. They are designed of course for areas that do not have accessibility to things like heating oil and natural gas propane gas, things like that and they started popping up in various cities throughout the state and there's a very offensive odor that most of the time does go along with this and the constant wood burning not only odor but the smoke and things for homes that are located near these places that do have these the people usually are unable to open things like windows and if it's a nice day maybe want to be able to hang out their laundry can't do it because of the fact that the smoke and or odors do permeate the air and the clothing and the inside of their homes so this is why the ordinance basically was brought up is to prohibit these type of wood burning furnaces and like I say not only wood burning but the other types of fuels that they could also be using so I hope this explains a lot very good Steve I think it should also be pointed out in the ordinance specifies this that the band does not include fire pits, barbecues fryers or chimneys it's just these sort of wood burning furnaces that I see a lot of heading up north would not be permitted in the side yards or whatever to eat the house or the garage okay there's another discussion what you call the role please Montemayor, Perez Peterson, Rinflesch Steffen, Van Akron Wongerman Warner, Baumann Berg Bonet Graf and Manny Motion carried. 742 RC by public protection of safety recommending amending the code so as to extend the time periods during which small recreational bonfires are permitted Alderman Warner I'll make a motion to accept the file the report of committee and that the general ordinance be put upon its passage second we have a motion before us in a second to accept the committee report under discussion under discussion this will allow people to have fire pits in their backyards until midnight on Friday, Saturday and Sunday nights prior to a holiday the old ordinance stated that they had to have those fire pits extinguished at 10 p.m. and with the short summers we have around here a lot of people would like to stay out later at night and not be breaking the law so they still have to meet all those fire safety codes of setbacks from buildings at 20 feet and such but this allows them on Fridays Saturday nights and Sundays so I'll appreciate a holiday to step up a little later Alderman Thank you Mr. Mayor it sounds reasonable I've had a couple of calls however of my constituents in my district who don't want it extended only a few calls I've had no calls saying yes do extend it I've had a few calls saying don't and I was thinking well 10 o'clock perhaps from 10 to midnight there's a fire but that's just much pretty much for the adults to watch the fire drink a couple more beer or something like that so because of the phone calls to me I will be voting against it thank you Alderman right play I'd like to point out they have the fireplace burning for longer than they have allowed to previously it does not allow them to make noise it does not allow them to be a nuisance to their neighbors if smoke is blowing into someone's house it still is a nuisance that the fire department can come and put the fire out even if it's before midnight you still have to be a good neighbor with your fire you still have to not be a nuisance either with your noise or with your smoke so while we're allowing that we'll be here as well Alderman thank you Your Honor we discussed this at great length in public safety and protection and if you look in the city ordinances we're more than protected under the nuisance statutes that anybody might call smoke to in someone's house or if you've got a loud party and they start making a bunch of racket so we just thought it was appropriate that we not encumber citizens just too much with all these inconsequential ordinances when we already have enough ordinances on the books so I can see little problem in extending it if there's a loud party you call the police and they'll shut them down just like they would anything else if smoke is going in your house or it's a danger or it's a nuisance again you call the police if necessary dispatch the fire department to put it out it's just all of these things makes you more difficult to live when we have to have all these objections to simple ordinances that relate to people just having fun in their own backyard and this is why the committee voted to extend on weekends and times when people might want to spend some time out in their backyard so I can see that it would add any problem because the protection is there for the citizens if you've got smoke coming out just call somebody they'll take care of it thank you I would just say I agree with my two fellow public protection and safety committee members though all those items were discussed I think it makes the city a little bit more resident friendly in an area that's easy to do and I would ask all of them in Montemara if they have problems with their make sure they just tell them to call the police department because if it's creating a nuisance those fires have to be a problem okay just another discussion would you call the roll please Perez Rinflesch Stefan Wongerman Bauman Bonaille Graf Montemayor 12 ayes 2 noes 741 a resolution by Alderman Graf Berg, Manny and Montemayor authorizing a transfer appropriations in the 2004 budget Alderman Graf thank you and I would move that the resolution be put upon its passage moved in second at the resolution be put upon its passage under discussion hearing none would you call the roll please Peterson Rinflesch Stefan Wongerman Bauman Berg Bonaille Soda Perez 14 ayes 849 a resolution by Alderman Warner approving the city of Sheboygan and the Sheboygan fire department accepting the Wisconsin homeland security grant fund and expending them for the intent purpose Alderman Warner I would make a motion that the resolution be put upon its passage moved in second at the resolution first of all we need suspension that would move to suspend the rules is there any objection to suspension hearing none proceed and I would move the resolution be put upon its passage we have a motion before us in a second under discussion under discussion your honor this is a resolution approving the city of Sheboygan and the Sheboygan fire department accepting the Wisconsin homeland security grant fund and expending them for the intended purpose which is for the Sheboygan fire department to put together a mobile command post and they will actually have Deputy Chief Letoski explain this a little bit more in depth the grants provided the city with a much needed mobile command post we know several years ago we were looking at and we could not obtain the funding for one from the common council this will do it at no cost to the city taxpayers and I would also like to note that community bank in its continuing effort the service has also donated $25,000 to make this happen as they had offered to do in the past when we discussed this I think that's wonderful the mobile command post will be available to the police and fire and even the county if needed and provide a higher level of emergency response throughout the city and I would just like Steve to explain if he could a little bit about what the whole program is because it's also a little bit more detailed than that thank you Alderman Werner Mayor Schram and ladies and gentlemen of the council I'm very happy to be here this evening and I will keep this brief but it's a pleasure to come here with what I feel is very good news these funds that we're talking about are available through the federal government department of homeland security and are being administered to Wisconsin state of Wisconsin office of justice administration we became aware that these funds would be available through the grant process and we were very eager to write an application for them there's a number of categories that are involved in this and we are able to address the needs that they expect from us as far as being available to help on a county wide or even a regional wide disaster if needed but more so than that this is an opportunity for us to build upon the services that we provide right here in our own community the command post which Alderman here alluded to is over 30 years old right now and it's unsafe and very impractical for what we're using for it's the old converted bookmobile many of you are familiar with it and then we're able to purchase a new one some of this was alluded to in the press article two weeks ago we're able to purchase a new one something that's safe, something that's reliable, something that will gladly share with the police department and other city departments as the need arises the rescue truck which is the second part of this is something that is needed it's long overdue over the years the things that the fire department is called upon to do for rescue services or required to do in some cases collapse rescue trench rescue water rescue the list goes on and on and we for a period of years have been adding equipment as the budget would allow and putting this mainly on our heavy duty rescue squad the practicality of this it's hard on the equipment it's hard to get the equipment off and use it when needed this is an opportunity for us to place some of the lesser used equipment on this secondary truck make that one available to respond to any requests that may come from the state it's also a great opportunity for us to have a backup vehicle when our primary rescue squad is out of service for some type of maintenance or whatever up to this point we have never had the luxury of having a backup rescue squad tools and equipment there's a number of tools and equipment that we're going to be purchasing and again this is used to expand upon and enhance programs that we already have in place with with equipment that we have not been able to obtain through the standard budget process enhancing of our collapse rescue capabilities trench rescue capabilities jaws of life equipment airbags and things like that there's also training being provided the state has a formula by which they put a dollar value on a training and this is also covered by the state funds we will be able to send people to vogue field where they're going to have the center beginning in September and they are going to pay for the training they're going to pay for the lodging and all other related expenses as I said this is an opportunity for the city to accept something with a little bit of the funding being covered by the grant which community bank has been so generous to do and a purchase of the rescue truck chassis from our major apparatus account monies which are in place and are available for this sort of thing a lot of research went into this so that we're not purchasing things that are not needed we wanted to make sure that what we did purchase as I said enhanced what we provide and we also wanted to make sure because everything and I've learned this in my position in the last six years everything you purchase has a cost of ownership whether it's batteries or maintenance or calibrations or whatever so we want to make sure that what we're purchasing was also prudent that it's not going to cost us a lot of money down in years to come that will not be affordable on our budget and I think we've accomplished that by putting together a list of things that we have I ask for your support in this and if anybody would have any questions I'd gladly answer them Oliver Gough just one question regarding future maintenance and so forth because of the fact that the former, the bookmobile and so forth will probably be retired and used less than it ever has been before I'm sure the maintenance costs that were associated with that are far less for this new equipment than it is for that bookmobile is that correct so therefore we wouldn't have to add any additional maintenance dollars into let's say the 2005 or 2006 budget I don't anticipate that our vehicle maintenance account would be affected in any way with this either positively or negatively okay thank you thank you thank you would you call the roll please Rin Flesch Nacron Wonderman Bowman Berg CERDA Manny Perez Peterson motion carried Steve under other matters 850 850 is communication from the Wisconsin Department of Administration stating they have no objections to the final plan for the Lake Air addition number three any act to be accepted and placed on file all in favor all in favor all in favor motion carried 851 is communication from the school district requesting city grant funding under the proposed charter cable contract to help improve its programming opportunities and that will go to finance Alderman Warner thank you I would make a motion to approve the provision of section 1985 1e for the purposes of deliberating on a proposed option to purchase land in the Sheboygan Business Center for comparative and bargaining reasons requiring closed session any objections all in favor all in favor Bowman Berg CERDA Manny Perez Van Ackren Wangeman Warner motion carried we'll take five minutes to let everyone clear out and we'll be in full session Nets Lakeland a three point basket and a four point lead getting away with another turn over there should have been a turn over at least