 you don't feel the need for a manager, so you shouldn't get one until you feel the need for one. But when you start having people reach out to you for shows, to do collaboration, stuff like that, like stuff that's a lot more business oriented where you feel like you can't handle it all yourself, then at that point it's necessary to get a manager involved. But right now, your main focus is just to get in the studio, create music and content. Now, once the picture starts getting greater than that and you have a lot of different moving parts to worry about, then you're going to need some help. Normally, you could reach out to managers, but I always recommend that you don't do that until you get to a point where you're like, all right, I need a manager. For the most part, the way manager to artist relationships work is that the manager will reach out to the artist, whether they discovered you some way. So the goal is to build some traction to get to that point. And you can do that yourself. And managers will naturally come to you if you start successfully building a core fan base on social media through streaming and stuff, they're going to notice that they're going to reach out. And there's ANRs. This is their job is to discover new talent. So there's always people constantly digging, looking for new artists. But yeah, I think the best way to create that relationship is to have actual managers reaching out to you instead of vice versa. Wow. What's up, it's Bram and Sean. And if you got value from this video, we got a ton of value to offer you in bramannnetwork.com. It's completely free. The link is in the description. If you want to talk with us directly or some of the people in our community in between videos, so you can ask questions specific to you or hop on one of the live sessions that you see on the channel. When we're speaking with other artists, bramannnetwork.com is the place to go hop into our app. It's really dope. And you get access to free courses as well. But it might not be free forever. So hurry up and get in there before I change my mind.