 Welcome to Reader Syndicate 3.0, the next evolution of the look into counterculture that is Canada. My name is Matthew, owner of Riot Seeds, and this started as a one-man mission for strain history and breeding science. Over time, it's evolved into something bigger, better, and more of a team effort. We will be joined by members of the Cannaluminati and other friends throughout the season to hear their takes on grow techniques, breeding science, strain history, and more. Our mission is to combat the narrative that corporate cannabis and seed posers are obfuscating for their own financial benefit. Welcome to the Underground. We are The Syndicate. Welcome to Reader Syndicate. I'm Matthew, here with Thousandfold, and today we are here with Peaches and Thousand. What are we going to be discussing? So we had Peaches on last season to talk about extracts in general. And today, we have around to talk edibles, because that is the other side of what Peaches does. And yeah, very excited. We've had a lot of demand. A lot of people ask Peaches, you know, on the server all the time, like how she does this and that. So naturally, we thought we'd have her on the show for this one. So before we got into it, though, I just thought it'd be cool to break the ice a bit and ask Peaches about how her outdoor season went. You can talk about it broadly, Peaches. It went great. Actually, everything came off. We had a staggered harvest from anywhere from, you know, seven weeks out to the 11 weeks for the sour. And it went good. We got rained on a little bit, but nothing got moldy. And the most exciting thing for me is I actually found my peach turps. So from all the way through, I had one Barbara Rudd-Fino that had peach turps. She smelled like it while she was growing. After harvest, she smelled like it. And now that she's been hanging and carrying, she still smells like it. And the other day I was smoking a joint and I was like, Oh my goodness. It tasted like I ate a peach fruit cup. And it was shocking. It had to wrap my mind around the fact that I was not eating a peach, but I was smoking a joint that tasted like peaches. So I love me like that. It was amazing. And I managed like, I don't know, we were three weeks from harvest or so, maybe four months. I don't know. She was fully budded when I took the clones. I was so behind and got those clones and they managed to not only root, but reveged. And now I have two fully veged plants and gallon pots ready to go. So very nice. It was a good year. Yeah. Maybe later on we can ask you what edibles those might go into or what you think might be a good fit for that flavor. No. I have a couple things in mind. Does that kind of flavor carry through to the edibles? I don't know yet because I've never had one that had peach turps. I know that like when we do the, when I've done the tincture, the glycerin tincture was strawberry banana flower. It smells like the strawberry banana flower. Those turps come through all the way through the cooking process and everything. Those, those turps hold strong. Unfortunately, a lot of turps burn off at different temperatures. So you'll lose them during the edible making process. But so I haven't, I haven't tried the peach one yet. I'm interested to see, I've got a couple of peach treats that I make that it would be interesting to see how they add to all that. I'd love to see if blue works its way into in like that for flavor. That would be cool to see. Yeah. All that stuff. Yeah, I'm glad Matt that you asked that question. I realized as soon as I said, you know, asked about the peach thing. Yeah, I had no idea either about how turps make their way through that whole process. Yeah, but we will, we will be approaching that. Maybe any other highlights peaches from your harvest, apart from your, your peach plant. Well, the bubble berry from, you know, Matt did excellent. I was really stoked on that one. They all did really well. Everything, you know, it was, you water every day and you put effort into it every day and you pluck leaves and do all the stuff. And it just came out really good this year. We have really good turf profiles on everything, good bud structure and absolutely no mold. I mean, we got a couple of times of rain where it just rained and nothing broke. We had great structure on everything. It was, it was just an overall good year for the harvest. Love to hear that. Yeah, it doesn't always go that way. That's for sure. No, not always. Matt, how's your outdoor harvest going? I just knocked it down all but except the creamy punch F2s are going to be harvested in two weeks whenever, whenever it's all dry. And then I have the, what was it, flow, flow, no, F1 dirt, flowrita. I have that one in flower and to be honest, it smells like cookies dead on, you know, dead on. Yeah, and then there's, I think I have some, something from Professor P out there too, which is a Miss Universe that got hit by the creamy punch. Yeah, there's one more creamy punch to harvest. It's all black purple. And it was the only one that went that extreme black purple. But I don't love the Terps on it. So I'm not sure that I'm going to do anything with this. It's the only one that wasn't extremely blue smelling out of all those. Can you repeat that last bit, Matt? I think you cut out for a little bit. It was the, the blackish purple one was the only one that didn't have extremely blue Terps out of the creamy punch. Much more along the silver pearl. So I'm not sure if I'm going to even keep that one, like, or the seeds from it, because I'm really partial to hard blues out of that stuff. Definitely interested to hear more, yeah, as you, as you go along. Smuggling the outdoor grow information out of me, evil. I know. Sorry. I love doing it. We're going to have to kiss you at the indoor episodes. I know. True outdoor grower, bro. All right. Well, I think we can get started. Let's talk about decarboxylation. Everyone's favorite. Yeah. Yes. So many opinions on this one. Yeah. What comes to mind when you, when you think of this. It's essential for edibles. If you don't decarboxylate, you're not going to get high. You're not going to get the same high because technically, THCA does have benefits and it does things for your system. It helps with pain and inflammation and stuff like that, but it doesn't create the high that people want when they eat an edible. So if you don't do that decarboxylation where you convert it mostly over from THCA to THC, you're going to have a different effect and people are going to think your edible doesn't work. I have one little question here on TCA and something that I've never really, you know, I'm pretty ignorant about it. If you try to infuse a bunch of material without decarboxylation, is there a purpose for that? Like, I mean, you're sort of implying that there might be a function. Well, yeah, because the THCA is still a cannabinoid. We still can take it and use it, but it doesn't allow us to get high. It creates a different high. And then it works more on your pain receptors than anything. So if you were going to make yourself a THCA tincture, you would just know that you're not going to get that same cerebral high that you would get from one that's been decarbed as you would, you know, that you're just going to get some more pain relief than you would just getting high. Just like if you had a strain that had more CBD in it and you didn't decarb it, then you're still going to be fighting that high. You're not going to get high because like when people take edibles, they expect this, you know, body high to get tired. You get that cerebral high as well as just like some people get couch locked, you know. And so if you don't decarb it, then you're just, you'll feel something, but you're just not going to get that locked feeling where you're just like, oh, I'm high. Yep, that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, so in terms of THC then and then that conversion, what kinds of, you know, yeah, I think in the outline you wrote temperature and time, like what kinds of parameters do you think work well or have worked for you? I like to keep it at 200 degrees for at least an hour. I like to use my convection oven to do it, but you can use your, you can use anything, a double boiler, a regular oven, whatever you've got to use to warm it up. But I prefer, I go for 200. Once you go over 200, once you hit the 210 stage, you start to convert it to CBN. And so you don't want to do that. You want to, you know, keep it as THC so you don't want to take it over 210. So I go with 200 for at least an hour. And that's with whether I'm doing flour, hash, dry sift, rosin, anything. A lot of people like to put their oven on and then they'll put the flour in there first and like roast the flour to decarb it before they put it in the oil or into butter or anything, whatever carrier they're using. I have found that when you do that with the flour first, it creates kind of like a roasted flavor. Almost like when you vape flour, you know that how the old, you know, like when you vape and you get your stuff out of the thing, it has that weird popcorn smell to it. Yeah, totally. Okay. So if you do the flour first in the oven, you're going to get that flavor with if you just put that flour and oil in a mason jar with the lid on it and put it in the oven. And you're still going to decarb that flour, but you will not have that weird roasted taste. So just so I'm clear on it, in this situation, you are decarbbing and infusing at the same time, more or less. Yes. Yep, that's how I do it. Like even with rosin, I'll put the rosin in the jar with the oil or whatever you're going to use. You're going to decarb it into butter. You know, I don't use a jar for butter. That's a whole different one. But a lot of, yeah, all my decarbbing usually happens during the process of infusing whatever I'm going to use. Yeah, that's such a good point. Because previously I just thought that there was no, you know, no difference, quote unquote, between separating the stages or doing them together. But yeah, that's a really good point about the flavor or, you know, what doing the decarb separately might, you know, my consequences in those ways. I had another question here, which was, does your approach change to what kind of material you are decarbbing? Like whether it's flour, whether it's an extract, does anything change for you? Not with the temperature and time. No. It's all going to, you know, because it's all, you're trying to get that THC to convert. Whether it's the flour you're using or the concentrate, it all takes the same process. The only thing that changes that the only thing that's different about all those ones is the when you use leaf or flour, you get more of that weed taste. Yes, yes, that's right. And I think, yeah, well, yeah, that's because people I think people have asked you before I've seen them. I'm asking you like, how do you, how do you minimize that, right? And I think this was one of you. Yeah, it was one of the questions from somebody. Just over the last day. Yeah, they posted about it in the. Let me see. Oh, I would say it using hasher rosin makes. The least weedy hasher rosin, it's more spicy than it is that weed flavor. Because I can't stand the weed flavor like I make me gag. Horrible. I can't stand it. No, there's times when I'm like out of habit, you know, you cook stuff and I try to taste things to make sure they taste right if I'm making brownies or a cake or something like that. And every time I'll go to taste the brownie but and then I regret it immensely. Every single time. This is quite random. But do you remember me and Matt talking to you about pandan that leaf from Southeast Asia? Yes, I do. Weirdly, I think that kind of aroma would actually work really well with. I might have to try actually now now that I'm saying I might have to go and try it. I think you should because that's that's more on the side of like vanilla coconut already. Those flavors might might actually kind of work with with the flavor of. It's so good green. It's already green as well. Anyway, sorry. In this I did want to ask Matt as well another tangent. Matt, how much edibles have you made like how much experience. I've done it like three times total. I have a machine we bought that's supposed to. Is it the idea? The purple one. No, it's not. But it's this little machine that decarbs it for you and makes. We never used it. Yeah, I've only done it a few times and the way I decarbs in the oven. I've made awful and awful. I've let it burn up and it's not good. I could at all really stunk up the house too. That was the other hard part is how much it stinks at the house when you do it wrong. I don't know if it does. Does it stink that bad when you do it correct? It stinks no matter what. Yeah, it's just that it's that smell it was even if you put it in a jar with the lid on it. You still get some smell. The smell of it puts me off more, especially if I've been with it. If I'm sitting with it all day, then it does start to get to me. It gives me a lot more. Yeah. Okay, that's cool. Was there anything else about decarboxylation that you wanted to talk about? No, I think that covers it. Honestly, it's really a simple process. I think sometimes people forget to do it. Sometimes people think that rosin is already decarbed because you press it at a higher temp, but it's not on there long enough for it to happen. So it's important that if you are making edibles that you take the time to do this, because otherwise you're going to be sorry. Cool. And I think something that you did say that I'll just repeat or highlight again. Different cannabinoids do actually have different points at which they convert. Yes. I think you mentioned CBD. Is it lower? Or is it higher? I'm not sure about the exact temperature of when it converts to CBD. I'd have to look that up. I do know that at 210 is when THC starts to convert to CBN. That's the one that gets the red color and it makes you more tired than anything. Sorry. That's what you get when you like. A lot of people will do they already have a bud, right? That's a lot of CBN, right? Yeah, exactly. Or like older weed that's been around like sitting around for a year. It contains higher levels of the CBN because it's aged and it's converted over time and oxidization. For sure. Okay. Well, the next interesting topic is actually going to be carriers. And this is interesting to me. So different fats or different oils have different capacities to absorb or hold the cannabinoids. Peaches, yeah. What do you have to say on this one? Yeah, when you're going to make edibles, you want to use something that contains fat as you're either fat or alcohol. Because you need that fat to help transport it into your system when you digest it. And all that, that's part of what happens in your body is it latches onto that fat molecule and that allows it to be absorbed and taken into your liver where it's processed and allows you to actually get high. So it's important to use a butter, a milk, a cream. You know, you can use the MCT oil because it's a medium chain triglyceride, which it makes it easy for you to absorb it. So it makes it a little more quickly bio available to your system. And then like the alcohol, well, we all know alcohol absorbs THC. Oh yeah, that one I didn't have on the list. Yeah, that's, you know, like, well, people, so, you know, now the whole conflict between RSO and FICO, you know, nobody makes RSO with NAPSA, not that I'm aware of anymore. Even Rick Simpson, I'm pretty sure made his with grain alcohol, you know, that's what people had access to. I, a lot of times return to it as RSO and have to be told, well, no, you don't make it with NAPSA, you make it with alcohol. So it's considered FICO, which is full extract cannabis oil. Yeah. So, you know, we have to be terminology correct sometimes. Definitely. So you mentioned that some of what distinguishes these carriers are like the capacity to hold and store, you know, the cannabinoids and then also the way in which they make those cannabinoids available to your system. Once even just them. What do you use the different ones for or do you use do you use like a range of them or do you have you kind of gravitated towards, you know, a couple of them. Does it matter when your application? Um, I, I have different ones that I prefer for certain ways. Like when I'm going to make a tincture. I love to use the MCT oil. Because it is just it's a great carrier. And then the milk or cream works great if you want to make a flavored coffee ice cream puddings. You know anything that contains milk that you don't want to have to try to substitute oil in for, you know, because a lot of people have, you know, make oil and then they will substitute it in for something. I love butter. I love that for your basic cookie recipes. Brownies work great with the oil, because you always put oil on brownies, you know, every brownie recipe calls for like a third cup of oil as it is. So you're not adding anything extra to that. And now when you want to do chocolate, a lot of people like to put the butter into chocolate, which was great. You can make a great ganache with chocolate and all that, but butter in chocolate will cause it to expire faster. So that's why I recommend using cocoa butter. If you're going to infuse chocolate or a coconut oil, but some people have coconut allergies. So that's when you want to look into if you've got somebody with a coconut allergy, you can use avocado oil. And then you can use the cocoa butter. Also, and then it goes into the chocolate and you're not adding anything to the chocolate to make it different chocolate already is cocoa butter. And I think people forget about cocoa butter a little bit because it's a solid that you have to melt. But it's still it will infuse and works great to put into chocolate. Very nice. Nice. No, and then butter you can cook with on the stove. Avocado oil to when you infuse it, you can use it to dress your salad, make a salad dressing, you know, season your vegetables. It just depends on how you want to consume it or eat it. Yeah. Yep, absolutely. I'm just trying to think anything else, anything else about like making your, your choice about which carrier beyond what you've mentioned already. Anything else that comes to mind? Um, well, I would have to say that, in my opinion, butter has the strongest taste out of all the carriers like when you put his father is probably it takes the longest and to make and I think you end up with more of that weed flavor in the butter. So if you're trying to stay away from that, that might not be something you want to make and use. Yeah, I will say that in my, you know, my personal experience that is the one that that is the one that has the greatest tendency to make me like I don't know just feel quite grossed out just by being around it all day. It's butter and weed for sure. Because it's so, it's already so rich on its own butter, you know, when you're heating it up, combining it with the musk of cannabis is just like full on. Very potent. That's for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. No, that's that's excellent. I had one. This is more of a tangent because I know this is an edibles episode. If you were making a topical, what, what kind of like what kinds of base, which, what kind of a base would you use for a topical? I like to use a mixture of shea butter and mango butter. Interesting. Okay. Yep. I do a 50 50 mix of those two. And then I also use a with those two butters, I use a Jehovah oil and MCT oil and then glycerin. And then I use vitamin E as a preservative. Yeah, I was, I was fully considering making some for my girlfriend for Christmas. She's got like a sore neck and stuff, but I might have to wait. I might have to like follow up on this with you and get a bit more info and I'm down to try it. And maybe another episode too, unlike topicals, perhaps. Yeah, most definitely. And if you'd like, I'll send you my recipe the actual breakdown of the weights and stuff and it comes out really good. It's not too greasy. I've got it down to where it's more of a cream type. It's a whipped cream. And it's pretty effective. So if you'd like, I'll send that to you. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I would really appreciate that you can't you don't get high off it. Right. Like my girlfriend does not like does not like I don't I use it and I don't. I've never had anybody tell me they did I did have a lady who used one of my bath teas and salts and fell asleep in the bathtub. Because she got so relaxed. She didn't drown. No, she didn't drown, but she fell asleep in there. Her husband had to come find her. Now this is making me want to like make some some topical cream and try rubbing it on like in unlike the inside girls and stuff to see if it will get in me anywhere. But I don't know. I also just I assume that it's like a localized thing. Right. If you rub it on your arm. Yeah. Most of it will not get into your bloodstream. So yeah, I don't I think it would take a lot to actually, you know, get all the way into your bloodstream into, you know, I do know they do know make those topical cannabis patches now. So I know it has to get into there some to some extent, but I don't think it's in there enough to like if you it was like eating an edible where you'd be like oh shit. I'm high. Yeah. Because she would be really mad if I gave it to her and then she got high off it like she'd be pissed. I understand. So I've missed the I think I've missed the window to make it for Christmas, but I'll do it for another time. Well Valentine's is coming up. Yeah, there's that too easy. Okay. If we're happy with the carriers. You had another point you did already touch on it, but did you want to go into the glycerin tincture again more detail maybe. Yeah, we can do that for sure. So what do you use this for because I've never really myself I've never really heard of this what is this glycerin is awesome because glycerin is water soluble. And so you can also and you can use it as a topical. You know it's a humectant for your skin it helps keep the moisture and that's why I use it in the lotion. And then also it doesn't affect your the insulin as much as sugars do. There's some research they did about that. The cool thing about the glycerin is like you can use it like I like to use it to make gummies. I prefer it to make gummies more than oil oil to make gummies as a pain in the ass. So glycerin makes great gummies. You can mix it with just rubbing alcohol and use it as a topical. You can drink it straight you can put it in your coffee you can put it in your soda you can put it in anything. If you don't mind the taste. So that's what was, you know, awesome about it. The reason we chose a organic vegetable glycerin and we first did this recipe when Buckshot was on fentanyl, soma, celibrex, Lyrica, all those gnarly drugs they had them on for his back pain. When he went to get off those we developed this glycerin. And it works. It just takes time you have to. It's not one of like a lot of people think with the glycerin you either do it like you would do a normal D carb, or you have to let it sit for six months, which is one way to do it but nobody must wait around for six months to a year for your stuff to infuse. No, hey. So, he had some research with that he had done, and it was skunk farms put out a article about how to do the glycerin teacher. And so, in the middle of learning how to make all this is that that's how he figured out how to do the formula so that you can actually extract the THC into the glycerin. And so our ratio is you get a gallon of glycerin, and you can use anywhere from four to six ounces of flour. It kind of depends like you know if you have big buds that are bigger than you're going to want to use four ounces per gallon but if you have the smaller ones you can get away with six. It's important that glycerin pours way better when it's warmer. So if you warm it up before you pour it over the flower. It works better. And then what I use is it's a little induction burner thing, you know only works with certain pans, and you put it on there and you set it to run at 190 to 200 same thing you don't want it to be going over 200. And you run it on the heat for four hours, and then you pull it off and you put it into an ice bath to cool it down. And if you don't have ice or you don't want to buy the ice you can let it sit at room temperature but it takes longer. So you let it cool down and once it cools down to room 10 you put it back on and you heat it up for four hours again and you repeat that process six times. And during that time you keep stirring it frequently so it doesn't burn to the bottom and you're you know making it kind of like when you're washing hash you're you're forcing the glycerin to go through the buds and you know absorb through and pick up all the THC. And so you do that for six times of warming and cooling and then you strain it. I found some net bags for making that milk. They're like 200 micron and couple other 180 I think micron and 100 micron and you use those and you strain it through and you've got glycerin that you could put in your bathtub because it's water soluble. So you could take a bath where the THC actually goes into the water and doesn't flow as well on top. Yeah and then it is. It's pretty awesome. And we've actually had it tested and it tested to where we got 1000 milligrams of THC per ounce of glycerin at that ratio. And you know so it makes good medicine and you can put that right into a drink to and you know or like those sparkling waters. I also put it in just a bottle and I'll flavor it like Loran's has some great candy flavorings that you can put into it and then you've got a watermelon flavored tincture or cherry or grape or whatever flavor you want. So just to be really clear here do you ever use it alongside a carrier oil or no it's it's instead of most of the time. I use it with oil when I make my topicals because my topicals have an oil and glycerin in it and so I like to use both of those medicated into the batch. Gotcha but that's the exception generally it's like like you were saying because I guess the the ultimate product is like a yeah water based thing so you want to use glycerin for that instead of of the oil. But yeah okay no I get you now that's cool thanks for telling us about that I don't think I'd ever heard of yeah that's a new one for me. Yeah it's a pretty awesome product to have. Have you seen it use any other ways that you came to try out yourself. Yeah I was a saltwater taffy you use glycerin to make saltwater taffy so I'm in it I just haven't had the time to make it from scratch yet but that's one thing I haven't made yet that I've been interested in trying it in. Yum. Right I just need a taffy polar. Yeah right everybody's got one of those laying around. Right just right there. Um okay well anything else about glycerin otherwise we can move on. Nope I think that's it on that one. Oh if you're gonna a lot of times not only like when you if you want to press the like if you use the flower to press the flower to get the glycerin out of it. I like to use a wine press back in the day I did have to use a potato riser because I didn't have a wine press. But those are the two pieces of equipment that come in handy when you want to like you know extract anything like if you're using oil even or even if it's glycerin oil butter and you want to strain your leaf out and squish it so it comes out. I recommend a potato riser or a wine press. Excellent info. How about sunflower lecithin or however you say that. I use this I never questioned it I just read about it early on and it seemed to work. Never tried it without. Yeah there's the whole thing that helps you uptake the THC there's that part of it that it makes it more bioavailable and helps it carry into your system. The other thing about it is that is the key if you want to make gummies with oil. Okay let me let me pause you here because what you said was was already something that I'm quite interested in which is at least the initial point which was. Have you have you side by side tried an edible with with and without. And like have you seen the difference in uptake because for me you know you know typically you hear about people making idols especially back in the day when we're just baking brownies. People would say that it took ages to kick in. But when I when I have used less thin I feel like it's it kicks in really quick but that's just anecdotal like to have you seen you know yourself this effect. I honestly I haven't experimented with myself because the only time I use it is when I make gummies. Gotcha OK OK so I would I'll experiment on buckshot though. I like. All right. Yeah sorry go ahead. Sorry I was just making jokes at buckshot expense gummies gummies with less than. Yeah. Well because it not only does it help with the high but it it's an emulsifier. So if you want to use oil yes to make gummies you need an emulsifier or you're going to have a horrible mess it's no fun. Like oh my god I've had horrible experiences with the oil and the gummies so. I see the oil just like starts leaking out of them. Is that right. If you don't do it properly. It will leach out. And so not only do you lose that and then they like to mold easier. It's just gross. But I found they sell it in liquid and powder. I've only worked with the liquid but I did find out a key with the liquid sunflower was that I had to let it bloom in the water like gelatin. Before I used it because otherwise sometimes it would clump up. Interesting that's a good tip. Yeah it took me a couple times to figure it out but if you let it bloom the liquid bloom. Then you don't have that issue. And then I use it when I made I prefer to make like I said my gummies with glycerin but there's times when I've had to use oil. Sometimes I've had to use alcohol just because that's what I've had on hand and that sunflower lecithin helps with the oil one immensely. I just had to make one with oil the other day and it came out perfect. You can even tell they were any different than the ones I made with glycerin. Great tip. Yeah because for me like I usually just make a big batch of oil at the start of the year you know every year and I just historically have always used lecithin. Yeah seems to be good. Yeah let us know if you get to experiment with buck. I will. Tell us how it goes. Okay anything else about that that additive. It's a good tip people who haven't heard for sure. No I mean you can use it you don't have to just use it in the gummies you like you use it in your oil you can use it in anything to help with that. It's supposed to be the same thing like you know if you eat mango it helps enhance the high it's that same idea. Actually this is a good one for people to go try. Okay comment down below if you have tried lecithin and if you've especially you've gotten to do a side by side of some kind I'm definitely curious. Okay. So you had a point here about making full spectrum oil we kind of talked about it already is there anything to add features to. I recommend if you're going to be making that if you can afford it and get it I like to use it's by extract the hall and it's 190 proof. It's sugar cane made from sugar cane and it's organic. I know everybody has different budgets and stuff but the higher proof you can use the better because then you're getting a better extraction of just the THC and less of the chlorophyll and all that stuff. The other thing when making it the longer you let it soak the more chlorophyll you're going to have in there. You actually alcohol works very quick at dissolving THC so you don't have to let it sit for hours. You cut out for a little bit in the middle of that can you say that again that last sentence. Yeah that the longer you let the cannabis sit in the alcohol the more chlorophyll you're going to get out of it. The alcohol is very effective at dissolving THC and so it doesn't have to sit in there for hours at a time just to get the THC. It can just be I think like the minimum is five minutes and you'll have your extract and then you can you know strain and get rid of it and that stuff is supposed to be dabble if you do a five minute extract. So I like to do it let it sit for you know 15 minutes to an hour in the alcohol and then strain it out. The other thing with making it is you can do what we term as stacking a batch which is where you put your four to six ounces of weed into a gallon of alcohol. You soak it let it do its thing you strain it and then you add another four to six ounces of weed to that same alcohol. And you let it sit and extract it and then you strain it and go from there and then you get a stacked batch because you can't put 12 ounces of flour into one gallon of alcohol it doesn't work. It's too much your ratios off but if you do it in a stacked batch you could get a stronger batch and not have to use as much alcohol. Also make sure when you're making it you use a thermometer to keep track of your temperature. You don't want it going above the 200 mark all the same conversion stuff like with the carbon all that and you don't want it to burn. And then same thing using the wine press to get it all out of the material and the nut bags to strain it. I even there's even we even use those gold coffee filters as a double strainer on top of the nut bags. It's like I don't know five times filtered and at the bottom is the 25 you screens underneath the nut bags and then you'll get some very very clean full extract cannabis oil from that. And it'll be at about I would say 80% THC at that ratio if you make it like that. That means like for every gram you have an estimate of 80% of that gram is THC so when you're making an edible and use one gram of that fecal you can say OK well that's 800 milligrams in that batch. There is yeah I kind of one of one of the sections in here that we wanted to talk speak to was dosing and and potency. Was there anything else to add to the extract oil otherwise I thought maybe that's a good segue to talking about like how how you measure or estimate your doses perfect way to send me that was everything. And with that we end this episode I wanted to thank Peach first and foremost before coming on and we're going to have her again next week for part two. 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