 Yeah, basically your version of the bottle city of Kandor in Superman's Fortress of Solitude Why I couldn't find the words for it, but yes Hey Superman, what's that on your Christmas mantle? Oh, it's a chunk of my old planet that I keep in a bottle Because somehow someone shrunk them and I don't know how to reverse it. Yeah, I love I like miniaturized things generally like just like a tiny Little city Just sitting there bustling like you know people they're into trains like model trains like kind of that for me My dad was very into model trains. Yeah, I Believe we've sold off a lot of the stuff because it was nice collector stuff But my mom and I were like, yeah, we're not really setting this up anymore But yes, it was it was something that brought him great joy and Yeah, the kind of the whole eBay phenomenon back in the early days was like, whoa Yeah, you have some crappy store and hope they have what you need. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In fact, I should ask her about that I don't know. We might have some of that like the real nice stuff But it was yeah, and you put the little droplets in the top of the chimney and it would it would make the smoke and it Smell a certain way. Mm-hmm. Oh, it was like it was just my I still have an engine that can do that I don't think I have any of the stuff anymore. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, yeah, but no, I can smell it right now. It was it like that was the most Christmas smell Ever to me because we know like the train did not Around Christmas too and I remember one year. I was really little I was like maybe eight Okay, and so I got to stay up to midnight and my big thing was like I wanted the train To be running at midnight so that it would have run from the old year into the new year Yeah, okay. Yeah, that's very cool And and and did you successfully do that? Yeah, I think they had to wake me up though Yeah, it's always the way. Yeah, it's midnight. Do you want to run your train? Yeah? I Why I don't what I need to understand today is why Tom keeps referring to himself as a 50 year old man when he's not Yeah, I just decided Scott, you'll understand this because you're close enough close to like just round. I'm just gonna start rounding up That way when I actually turn 50, it's not in any way a big deal some sort of Confing where you have to yeah, like have like a big party year. Yeah Yeah, I don't need to have a big party, but it won't be like stressful. I'll be like, you know I'm gonna help this way for a long just you know, it's funny just a couple months ago a friend of mine Who turned 51? I went up to his his party in Sonoma, but it was his 50th party And they and they did it he and his wife did it on purpose because they were like When I actually turned 50 it was kind of like we were just sort of going through whatever So this is my 50th party. It's just that I am actually now 51 But it was it was a big party. I mean we but I think it was like that much less stress for him specifically Because he'd already spent a year being 50 He was doing it like the like when you do a new decade people celebrate in the year 2000 But they should be celebrating in 2001 right? Yeah after it's been Scott would you read line three today? I would read line three with gusto and agreement Yeah All right, I'm gonna catch you in ready. Yeah three two one And I lost it. Sorry. There it is. All right. That's all right. All right. He's right. There's count me in again All right, here we go Three two one James Thatcher has supported independent tech news directly for almost five years. Thanks james be like james become a dTNS member at patreon.com slash dTNS This is the daily tech news for wednesday december 19th 2018 in los angeles. I'm tom merit and from studio feline I'm sarah lane from almost christmas salt lake city. I'm scott johnson And uh from somewhere on the border of nowhere. I'm roger chain the shows where it's also almost christmas Hey folks, we are going to talk about facebook. Don't worry Uh, we know your most, you know 65 percent of you are outraged right now. We're going to get to that We're also going to talk about AI generating faces that are almost indistinguishable from real photographs Um, but let's start with a few tech things you should know apple updated ios to avoid a sales ban in china with changes Exclusive to china that circumvents the company's patent dispute with qualcomm Qualcomm won a sales ban after alleging that apple violated a pair of its patents Now last month qualcomm won a court injunction the banned apple from selling iphone models including the 6s 6s plus the 7 and 7 plus the 8 and 8 plus and the 10 mac rumors reports that ios 12 point 1.2 Now changes the animation for when an app is forced to close and that avoids a qualcomm patent around app management Man, that's a fiddly thing. Uh google will now use mobile first indexing for more than half of its web page searches globally That's pretty insane favoring mobile sites over desktop sites in its search results for the very first time google started its mobile first indexing efforts back in 2016 And said it would shift over to using the mobile version of the website's content to index its pages The financial times reports that chinese bike sharing company ofo has cash flow problems and is considering applying for bankruptcy Ofo raised 2.2 billion dollars on the promise of its large bike sharing operations worldwide chinese bike sharing company mo bike recently sold off to one of its shareholders and china's blue gogo bike Sharing company recently went bankrupt itself Bike sharing model has often been used as a basis for the electric scooter business model Hopefully for the electric scooter people it works out better for them All right, let's talk about a cool feature coming to windows Yeah, if you're into windows microsoft will bring a feature to windows 10 pro and enterprise editions specifically This is going to be next year They're calling it windows sandbox and here's why when virtualization is enabled in the bios Users can isolate an app to the sandbox so it can't affect the rest of the system When you're done the 100 megabytes of that sandbox is deleted feature will be available for testing and build 18305 I am sure a hundred developers just heard me say this and know exactly what they're going to do with it Yeah, well, it's it's great if you want to uh download an executable But you're unsure you want to see what it does first you can do this with the virtual machine But the virtual machine may not perform as well You may not have the money to get an extra license of windows to run a virtual machine So this will let anybody who's got windows 10 pro or enterprise Just spin up a kernel in windows from windows with good performance And check out that executable safely and then Shut it down and it deletes itself doesn't clutter up your hard drives pretty cool stuff It seems so small compared to what a lot of apps are today in terms of their You know their executables are just bigger than this This isn't this is just uh firing up a kernel Yeah, you'd be surprised how small operating systems are compared to actual software A lot of times the operating system is is much smaller than than a suite of apps for sure In other microsoft news Former microsoft intern joshua bakita posted on hacker news that he believes microsoft decided to abandon the edge html engine in favor of chromium because Google kept making changes to its websites like youtube that broke the site in other browsers and microsoft couldn't keep up For instance, he said a hidden empty div tag broke microsoft's video acceleration right at the time that google began advertising chromes advantage of her edge in video playing battery life A mozilla program manager previously claimed that a youtube redesign made firefox 5 Uh fire firefox 5 times slower in both firefox and edge Google denies these claims says that the hidden div tag was a bug and it was removed after it was reported nothing more google also told the verge quote youtube does not add code designed to defeat optimizations in other browsers But we don't mind if it shows up accidentally In addition to that Uh, which is my best guess for what happened here is is they make changes and don't worry about whether it breaks things for Edge or microsoft and of course edge moving on to chromium Is not going to have that problem anymore But peter bright over dars tectica put together an opinion piece saying how this is really bad In a lot of ways because google controls the chromium project and because google controls the chromium project It has outsized influence over what happens on everything on its platform Which now includes opera safari and soon edge leaving firefox and its nine percent of the market as the only non google influenced browser out there Yeah, also Okay, i'm going to go back in time to a time when i was art director on a website and i had to work with programmers and The short of that story was If you if you had a an errant div tag just floating around in the code Page code generated dynamically coded didn't matter They would find it in seconds like that stuff never made it out the door So i feel suspicious of this explanation for some reason it's google hidden scott. That's why they couldn't find Yeah, but uh, i don't know man I don't like this stuff so that that part's weird to me and i'm not i'm not Someone hit it and someone else should be able to find it right here's an exercise Here's an exercise for the users come up Those of you who who work in the sort of thing come up with a reason that a hidden div tag might show up And you wouldn't know it in your code. Yeah, i'd listen to that because again I'm not an expert by any stretch, but i just remember these guys are so hardcore about weird little things like that And obviously we're a different scale here, but then they're talking about but And i'm not ready to say hey google. You're you know, what a dastardly Horrible thing you've done is a supervillain twist in your mustache here. I just It just feels a little fishy coming from google of all places, but yeah You could save that for facebook because that's our next story The new york times alleges that facebook provided access to user information to hundreds of tech companies around 150 Big companies microsoft netflix spotify etc without user permission Facebook says the access described only involves users who log into their facebook accounts On the websites involved for instance users who log into facebook on spotify Could allow spotify to automatically send a message about what songs they're listening to and even message with friends While they were in the spotify app or on the spotify website the new york times Describes this particular feature as facebook letting spotify quote read facebook users private messages Just technically accurate, but i think misleading in the wake of the report the uk's digital culture media and sport committee has issued A statement calling on competition authorities to open an investigation and to add to facebook's horrible no good really bad day The washington dc attorney general has announced its filing a lawsuit against facebook over the cambridge analytical scandal Saying it didn't take proper precautions to protect data and misrepresented third party developer's ability to obtain data Now this morning on tms. I talked to scott about why i think While facebook is not without blame here This new york times story isn't great and likely to cause an overreaction because what was happening here in my opinion Is not much different than what happens when an app says hey We want to be able to send messages or write posts on your behalf Is it okay to let this app do that and you get that moment where you're like I don't want it to just write anything But you realize oh it's doing a very specific thing that i want this app to do okay I'll give it that permission the only difference being and this is why i don't think facebook is off the hook Facebook didn't ask you they just said hey if you're signing into facebook on spotify Then you will just assume you think everything that happens on facebook is also happening there Yeah, my I'll go ahead go ahead sir. Well, i'm just going to say i mean from what i understand of the particular spotify example that you just laid out tom Tell telling Uh a company what i'm listening to is not the same as reading my private facebook message But they're not reading that makes it sound like somebody at spotify has a big cache of all your messages It can go through and read all of them what it allowed as far as i can tell is spotify To have the messages come into their servers so that they could show them to you while you're logged into spotify and send them back out And that is they weren't storing them. They weren't selling ads against them. This isn't third party data collection This is just access to it now now granted spotify You might not decide you don't trust spotify and that they'll they'll save those messages Uh and keep them for nefarious purposes, which is why you should be told Hey spotify is going to do this. Are you cool with that so that you can like, oh, you know Yeah, I guess I trust spotify. It's fine and spotify netflix microsoft The 150 companies are mostly all saying yeah, we we don't access your personal information This is just enabled features to happen when you were logged into facebook on our site However, uh, sure spotify not using my data for nefarious purposes fine great even if i believe you There are data breaches every day. So but you know the the fact that we live in that sort of a world That's more of the issue as far as you know Who are me? I think the new york times story where the new york times story goes is making it feel like the breach happened Rather than focusing on hey facebook had these features enabled how this works seamlessly Clearly make, you know, let you know that what was happening on facebook.com Would also happen on netflix if you were logged in To facebook through that feature on the other hand I you know, I don't think it's crazy to to think that most people might assume that but we've gotten into a world where You want to err on the side of transparency? And so I think it's fine to hold facebook's feet to the fire and say you should always ask first Don't just assume But I also don't think this is as bad as a data breach or as bad as data storage That could be sold to third parties, etc And I think this new york times story Exaggerates it. Yeah, and they're obviously in a position or facebook's in a place right now where they're an easy target And by easy I just mean they've set themselves up in other ways to for people to sort of jump the gun and freak out I think it's also a little bit weird that small services and sites are required to ask you if you're cool with it and For whatever reason these bigger tech companies were not asked that maybe there wasn't previous agreements They had previous partnerships. Yeah, I know that's that's not cool either. I agree with you there It's not cool. Um, but I'm I'm glad that you're you're at least talking about it in the in the in the in the sort of raw Truthy way here because I think it's important for people not to jump overboard Uh, even though I don't even really care that much about facebook's not an important service to me It doesn't really make that big a difference to me I'd say I've never seen tom really rely on facebook as a as a really important aspect of his uh You know triangulation with fans and people and friends So it's not like we're defending a company who's clearly making goofs and I think some of them Yeah, definitely not defending facebook But it's but it's just so easy to go The whole house is on fire when really one of the outlets went out and you just need you know, it's a fuse It's not a bad analogy actually Uh, yeah, they they should have made sure the electricity uh worked in the in the outlets, but the house is not on fire We're not finding them, but just let's wrap our heads around what actually is is the problem Yeah, and you know for people who are all jumping ship. I don't have a problem with that There's all kinds of reasons to jump ship off facebook I don't know that this is necessarily the biggest one, but it could be the straw that breaks the camels back for you So that you know, that's totally fair. Good being uh, well, all right tuesday night elan musk everyone's favorites future super villain Just kidding. I just think that's a fun thing to picture Demonstrated a car modified with retractable tracking wheels traveling at 44 miles an hour For 1.4. Uh, excuse me 1.14 miles in a test tunnel That he probably dug anyway The the boring company. Thank you. The boring company. Oh, they're so boring Musk believes he can make the technology work at 150 miles per hour over long distances He would like to create a system of tunnels under cities with a combination of private and autonomous cars providing transportation So another step in his quest to build this crazy or is it though? I mean really the technology showed off is that he can dig a tunnel Because sending a car at 44 miles an hour is something I could do if the tunnel's already there. Yeah But the tunnel isn't already there. That's the point That's what i'm saying like the tunnel very impressive the car going through it at 44 miles an hour And apparently really bumpy according to multiple reports that I read not that impressive No, but but but uh as you know traffic congestion becomes a bigger and bigger issue in certain cities The idea of of having a safe underground tunnel Very advantageous Los Angeles great example of that. So if any company whether it's elan musk's many I don't know whatever his ventures, uh, you know our uh, uh, however far they get As far as hyperloops and and boring holes under under the sea That's all great. But That's sort of the we either have flying cars or we have cars underneath cities, right? Because there are only two options. I'm not denying the idea is great and necessary Especially in a place like los angeles But the idea was great and necessary months ago when he first announced it Showing me a car going 44 miles an hour through the tunnel that we already knew was dug Just I don't know not blowing me away here All right, if he would if he just sent this through though at the 150 desired speed I would be more impressed because that is the goal here is to create High-speed travel not just a tunnel for your slow-ass car, right? You want to really go fast in there and I do get that part of what he was doing wasn't showing the speed But showing like here's how it will work once it's perfected if you want to see the the concept It's it's like a concept car in that respect I sort of get that but there were some some fairly Salivating headlines out there, and I don't know if it's just quite yet. Yeah, I mean 40. I'm just saying 40 is like I don't know. I can do that on a scooter. I think or something Yeah on a road All right, let's let's finish on an easy one security at the border Haizam el-sharkawi is suing the u.s. Government after being detained at lax airport when he declined to unlock his cell phone He's a u.s. citizen He was leaving the country on his way to Saudi Arabia on hajj and was pulled aside by customs officers for additional screening So far so normal like this could happen to anybody traveling internationally You might get pulled for a little additional screening However, he was asked to unlock his phone And he said he didn't feel comfortable doing that unless they told him why they needed him to So he was putting a holding cell Uh And he finally gave in and was like fine final unlock my phone an officer then looked through his phone and asked him about His amazon and ebay accounts Noted that he had lots of unread emails, uh, which i'm not sure what that indicates to people unless maybe it's they're looking for He's a normal human Seems suspicious to me So he's suing saying, you know, this was this was unlawful detention. You did not have cause Uh, and you you shouldn't have forced me just because I declined to open the phone I think I agree with him. In fact, he and I have a lot in common our email boxes are very similar And if somebody said to me, uh, your email's uh piling up pretty good there as a some sort of suspicious activity You should be more concerned about mr. Uh inbox zero 24 seven of the day That guy's the weirdo. Uh, I the whole thing is Super funky and I'd be mad if I was him. There's no way especially, you know, we we hear a lot about Uh, your google search history, you know might you know, link you to something bad Um, whether or not you actually did anything It's you know, it's it's indicative of what your interests are amazon and ebay search history or purchase history Could be something that law enforcement might want to tie you to it doesn't sound like they they had a leg to stand on in this case Um, and certainly putting somebody in a holding cell while they look through your amazon history is ridiculous, but um But yeah, uh, he ran an e-commerce company And and so likely they were fishing for some sort of import-export issue that's why they're asking about his amazon and his ebay accounts, but Uh, it doesn't appear that there was any cause for them to do that other than he ran an e-commerce company so and and even so like that would be even more reason to be like well There's probably a lot of like contextual stuff you don't understand about my history because I run an e-commerce company Yeah, and I would I would argue that he's also, you know I hate to put this part in there, but he's somebody from a different ethnicity And so that plays a role as well All of it's a racial profile and perhaps that yeah, it's all adding up to be real skeezy I don't like it Well, folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines Dot com now a paper published earlier this month was made public this week showing human faces Generated by a generative adversarial network a GAN machine learning algorithm the faces look real But they're not actually pictures of people scientists at invidia trained the GAN to make the images eight tesla gpu's took about a week to do it And used a method known as style transfer So you blend images together and it's not just morphing, you know like me and the president's face together to show What our baby would look like it's more sophisticated that because it can do not just images But multiple images and traits you can say blend all these images together, but make all the hair blonde No matter what color it would have come out otherwise stuff like that So you customize the faces in ways that they look very different from the originals, but they aren't actually people And yet they look very much like people Now artist encoder kyle mcdonald has had a medium post up for a while explaining what to look for to identify AI generated faces and he updated it in the wake of this because he's like wow this This got a lot better in the year since I I told you what to look for in the old Photos, but there are still things you can do to identify whether something is fake And this is going to be a new skill the way we used to look for airbrushing or photo shopping We're now going to have to look for GAN generated Images, so here are some of the things to keep an eye out for Physical objects that aren't quite generated properly So he showed some examples in these envidia images where a ghost of an earring was showing up because it had been in one of the pictures And didn't get fully rendered out asymmetry Uh, particularly where maybe you get two different ears on somebody or the eyes are not pointed in the same direction Uh, necessarily it's something called strabismus Misaligned teeth that are dentally improbable not just like oh he's got crooked teeth, but like a tooth in front of another tooth Hair that's not just messy but Really like unusually messy or disconnected either like a like a strand It's just on your forehead and connected to the rest of your hair as one example Or hair or clothing that looks painted. There's one example. He shows of a t-shirt that kind of looks like it's a matisse It's just sort of an impressionistic t-shirt and he's like those are the sort of imperfections that still show up even as good as this gets But it's getting good really fast And it's good. Oh my gosh, sarah. It's like watching I most of these fooled me. I'm not gonna lie Yeah, and even you know, I read through all of this and I was like, okay I mean, you know, I'm an asymmetrical person. Aren't we all but like, okay I see where they're talking about where it's something that's not quite right. Yeah Like where you look at the teeth of my hair showing up on your side. Sure. Like there are definite. There are definite Flags that you go. Okay. If you're paying attention, I see where you would notice this Nobody does We already know that nobody does Yes, though because we didn't photo Airbrushing used to fool people until we got used to it and then we started to just automatically be able to tell Fool's people. Well, it still doesn't a lot of people But it you it can get past people more Photoshopping fools more people than actual airbrushing. Well, sure. Yeah, we've come to the point now where we're like shopped All these technologies. Yeah when they show up fool everyone And then eventually get to a point where there's a lot of people who are like, yeah, no, I just know I know when I'm looking at something that's shopped and some people never can and that's fine But as long as the majority as long as there's a large enough number It's not going to be used to fool everyone. The hope is that machine-generated images will Have that same pattern, but they're getting better so fast That just could break the pattern. This is shocking to me. So I I went in there thinking Oh, they're showing the examples, you know, the black and white stuff I was like, oh, here's where his computer's really trying real hard But here's the goal they're aiming for which is these actual photos of this nice this nice pair of people here And then I read along and went, no, no, no, those are now that's what we're generating now. These Nvidia results are these And those are very convincing And so now that I have that in my hand, I'm like, well, hold on. I've already been fooled once fooled me once all that Let me really focus in And yeah, the eyes are a little too perfectly aligned um There are subtle differences, but that old and and cunny and cunny Uncanny valley screwed that one up That's not there right now. I'm not feeling that weird. This is off, you know, like you get with No, they just look like snapshots of people. Yeah, and in some cases like good snapshots like I'm warm. You could put these same photos in an article that says the google pixels sure taking great photos these days and I go Well, and and yeah, and so then it comes into conversation of okay, if you used my photo, um in an article about how I, you know Uh, uh committed a crime and I'm like, uh, excuse me. That's me and I didn't do that You know, it's like there are actual people who can come forward Or at least someone on my behalf and be like that's wrong But if it's a person who doesn't exist in the worlds Then we have a whole other conversation to be had because who's who's gonna come forward for the fake woman who doesn't exist But looks pretty real Yeah We'll think of her. Yeah, like Who will come for the fake woman as someone is someone who follows in a super into Everything to do with uh game rendering, especially in video's role in this Um, it's always very interesting to me and I love to see what's next all this new ray tracing technology That's coming. It's so awesome. It's easy to forget that along with this will come the next level Of fooling everybody and we're just going to get cheaper and easier and more accessible tools as time goes on And we're going to have to deal with it the way we dealt with photoshop And in a weird way I find that comforting Because in some ways You know Once everybody can do it you can also get to a place where you realize everyone can do it and we can start spotting it So i'm not that worried about it But I am a little bugged at how much of a sucker I was today when I first looked at this article I'm looking forward to uh, it getting good at real-time video rendering such that uh, I will always look the way I look now from forever because you just cover up the way I really look I agree 50 years young Thanks everyone who participates in our sub reddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit.com We're also on facebook facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show We love getting your emails and we love reading some of them on the show Indeed we do in fact larry aka the geeky trucker rodin said You mentioned duck dot go all the time as a good security browser I've been using start page as a private search engine for years Have you ever looked at them? They used to be called ix quick started back in 1998 They changed their name for better marketing themselves just a thought I am not Yeah, that's a great suggestion. Thank you geeky trucker uh start page Didn't just change the name it merged With with the other one. So that that's that's how they ended up changing the name Start page uses only one cookie called preferences Which remembers your search preferences for future surfaces searches and is deleted if you don't visit start page for 90 days Otherwise, it doesn't do any kind of data collection The difference between start page and duck duck go is duck duck go always shows the same search results to everybody So there is no preferences as far as I know could be wrong about that But as far as I know duck duck go doesn't even doesn't even have search preferences So if you're like, I love duck duck go But I'd like to keep some preferences around then start page may be for you because it's very limited and is still very privacy focused Good good suggestion. Thank you. Yeah, thanks larry Keep on trucking Also, thanks to scott johnson for being with us scott. What has been going on since we saw you last Well, everything was great until that joke just now and now I started laughing and I can't stop thinking about it But um things have been going really good. You know speaking of duck duck go last wednesday We had this very brief conversation that I owned a domain We were talking about domains and who owned them and stuff I owned a domain called new duck dot com and tom's like, ah, you should donate it and I said nope I'm going to draw a new duck on there every day Well, guess which of the two choices I chose. That's right. I'm drawing a new duck every day So here's what you want to do just go check out new duck dot com And uh, just it's just a silly dumb thing. What's your privacy policy though? That's 100. Well, it's whatever the rest of my site is I guess New duck there every day most of them are colored and finished and ink summer just sketches I've only been doing it for a little while here But if you want to just see a new duck every day why new duck dot com is your place So go check it out at new duck dot com and the the whole site's there So you can see everything else I'm doing as well as my twitter account at scott johnson Man in a world uh full of people trying to get something from you I love that you just want to get in a world full of people Oh, it's almost Christmas. It's all given time. So I'm here to give and my giving is duck ducks. So enjoy them. Yeah It collects three cookies square space Two square space in one type kit. There you go. How that's not bad, right? You know, it's no duck. There go. That's pretty But it's but it's very solid. You don't have to put any search queries. Just look at ducks. 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Hope you have enjoyed this bro Duck That was a great show Roger you really outdid yourself duck and roger So speaking of ducks, um, it no nothing bad. Um, there's a little lake, you know At an urban lake at near me where I walk otis in the morning though lots of ducks Like I understand what like a mallard duck is but there are some other types of like Odd ducks that I'm I'm like, I'm pretty sure they're duck. They're not geese. They're not spawns like they're they're ducks But they're a weird kind of duck and there's one kind. I'm gonna take a photo Maybe I'll put it on lens When I walk around there either this afternoon tomorrow morning and I swear to you these ducks don't have wings No, weird Like they don't have wings or they're I'm sure they do But the way that they walk they look like quails, you know where you're like, I don't know like you don't seem capable What's the head teller of the duck They're like black with like little white sort of mohawks. Oh, we have those those are ducks I don't remember what they were called though, but I had the same you know what i'm talking about They all look a little emo, you know like a little oh, they're goth ducks They're goth ducks and they potentially can't fly. I'm like I keep waiting for you know one of them Enough to Topic Don't feel like it Okay, but like okay most ducks aren't you know, you're not seeing them flying around But you do see them like bathing in the pond like you see their wings being part of their body These particular ducks they all kind of walk in a file And they're real cute and they're kind of small And I I'm just like what what's going on with are they smoking galas? I don't know They're not vaping Although I saw a policeman vaping in a police car yesterday as he was passing me on the street Not even kidding true story. That's what you want Ops, babe. Yep Look, it's better my aunt vapes because she doesn't want to smoke anymore and I say more power to her I was hoping you were gonna say you saw one of these ducks in a police car No, I I I don't I I'm sure I'm sure a policeman I I don't know what I have no idea what the legality of that is I just found it funny when I saw him passing me It's obvious in Congress, right? The stereotype is kids vape, right? And if it's not kids hipsters vape Uh hipsters vape are not kids or hipsters. All right, right Police can be hipsters though. I imagine we have several law enforcement officers in the audience who will verify that Come up with an ironic reason why they're arresting you Yeah, it'd be very ironic of the edit. Oh what you're doing was so legal not Not saying it was illegal just and I was like How's this for a title AI's face value? Oh, that's good. Yeah, I like that done Hey, yeah That's right when I needed it. All right. I'm looking into duck species I think I'm gonna I'm gonna find out Duck and cover Duck and Roger Duck and Roger By the way, it's a great pair. Not it's not an actual parody of that song. It's a complete Thing of their own, but we were watching iron giant the other day and the um We love that movie here and there's great. Yeah, it's a perfect movie anyway, the The scene where they're all in school and they're playing these duck and cover videos They had to make up their own to do it, but theirs is almost better I think Brad Bird might be a genius is what I'm getting at. It's a really good movie If if listen anyone listening right now still who just has not seen iron giant You just avoided it for whatever reason you skipped out. Okay. How old or young you are? Stop what you're doing and watch the iron giant. All right So good. Oh Tom see you Yeah, hi Tom. Tom hasn't seen iron giant. Am I to believe that he doesn't like Tom's going to find something that's going to No Oh Tom I thought I thought Tom was going under the That's gonna pull out an iron giant I have an iron giant tattoo. What does that say? Tom we got to talk about that. Seriously. I know I know it's a failing in my education. It's so good You'd love it. It's all this 50s 40s Uh Cold war era stuff that they reference. It's just a beautiful all the stuff you grew up on Yeah, you just like Being from the 50s You're a method actor Tom I'm a methadone actor. Yeah I think you'd love it actually not just like it. I think you'll go. Oh, right. Okay. Where do you watch it? Do you just own it? I own it in like four different formats, but it's also on netflix currently So it is okay. Yeah, you just watch it there Oh, that's where we were we were just screwing around on netflix and my kids go. Oh my gosh, dad. Let's watch it I'm like, well, we have it downstairs on blu-ray. It doesn't matter. Let's let's do it. It's right here This is my favorite movie growing up. I mean, they love it, but And it did it was one of those movies that like in the theater was Fair to middling performance and then it hit, uh, the dvds and stuff later It actually come out it came out in 2009 was the year But what? Oh, what month? I don't know I'm sure it's because This is the year I moved to san francisco and I wonder if that's why I missed it Maybe scott. I think it's the american witchen I think that's our vision. Okay. Is that not a is that a duck or a whole separate species of bird? It's a different color. I don't know. I mean it looks like a duck But You know, yeah, dark body with the white mohawk Yeah, oh, oh, no, this is it. It came out august 1999 august is when I flew to san francisco to interview for my job at zd tv I was just way too busy when it came out Yeah, I could see that and then I missed it. Yeah, I could totally see that another movie I think that got unfairly raked over the coals animation was, uh, titan a No, it's great. It's a great movie. Oh, yeah people hated that movie But it's a really I don't understand why like the story. Hold. I mean, it's not like a disney movie. There is no Kind of there's not there's no song and dance in it, but it's story wise. It's cohesive No, it's a cool science fiction story and it's and it's um, what's his name who I love? Matt Damon. No, not The director Oh, uh, uh, uh, gary oldman not gary goldman. No No don bluth don bluth Oh He did like dragons lair the games and stuff and well, he worked with rick dire We had I had him rick dire and gary old goldman On screensavers to talk about all that stuff Good goldman gary oldman Gary oldman Cheating in front of the old man. Okay. You really are an old man. Tom Someone's a old man 50 years young I'm looking up lots of duck species. Sorry guys very busy right now The ruddy duck is That's pretty cute duck. You say ready or ruddy ruddy like r u d d y like red It is a yeah kind of sort of a rusty color with a blue bill Oh, those blue bill ducks think they're better than you We talk with a braum in exit Nice Talk about a hipster duck man Wouldn't go up the old wilson place. No, I don't say right here No duck safe up there You know, I hear the eat the ducks up there wouldn't go up there It's like a tiny's restaurant in queens. That's right I love that accent. It's one of my favorites. It is it's hilarious. I I don't feel like I can do it I like it too, but I wouldn't I wouldn't dare. Oh, that doesn't stop scotter. I Oh, no, no, no, you guys are just you're fearless. There was a period of time where uh Uh, uh, who's the guy who did uh, mr. Smith goes to Washington. Um, jimmy stewart Jimmy stewart, right his generation. They all had that affectation Because it was a period of time where if you had it you were it was a signifier Of social status. I believe that is that not are you not referring to the transatlantic accent? well, so the That is but that's that's in some ways related to the way the boss and brahman accent All was also from it from a from an earlier period like 20 30 years before um Migrated over because it was it was a small status like ducks. He migrated like a duck. Uh, It's all I love duck. It's so delicious Although some people don't like it because it's too oily. It's oily. Yeah, pretty oily, but I still like it Yeah, well, tom should like it. You like oily things two things you don't want that are oily a duck Or your your blind date. You don't want an oily blind date to be on an oily duck if i'm blind dating and uh I don't I don't think you want an oily date. Yeah, I know you're probably right But at least you know what you're getting into if it's when they're blind you're like, oh, geez you set me up They're blind. You mean it it's a blind date. The date is blind. The person is not necessarily blind. Yeah, that Well, someone set me up on a blind date That would be that would be one or not. That doesn't matter. Yeah, it's all about the oil and listen Think about it oil the oily you are the younger you look after age 50 I mean, where's the oil like on your hair or just in your face? Just just going coming out of all pores Usually isn't that usually like teenager high school? Like I need my oxy queen. Yeah. Yeah, that's the oiliest or the youngest Yeah, exactly. Yeah, the oiliest are so slippery No, you can you can have oily skin older in life But i'm just saying the oilier you are the younger you look I have the I have the see right Lesson and first but oily go dry here oily here like I have an oily tea But they who are among us without oil cast the first cotton swab First cotton swab. Well, well like I have oily hair. I do if I you know if I don't When people say like I didn't wash my hair in a week I'm like, oh, I mean if I didn't do that we'd be in a world of hurt I would be I mean that's that's but it's but those are like They're here and you know just not using shampoo because there's a big difference between Not using shampoo for a week and not actually putting water on your hair for a week No, it's just well, I mean depends on the person and curly hair is different than straight I have really straight hair. Um, but like There there are folks who just you can you can preserve the hair better by not washing it Yeah, and and and No, no No Like a very like tight shower cap to not get your hair wet So, I mean and that's that doesn't work for me I can go maybe two days Because shampoo does dry you out if you use it too much it can Actually cause oil But not actually like rinsing it Get a nasty. Yeah, that's nasty I I actually do that because Depending on what kind of hair you have It's not nasty, you're right Yeah, sometimes getting wet is like that's like you might as well wash it at that point because you know now you're back to square zero So I gotta wash my hair after I the longest I can go without touching my hair or anything is three days I mean I could wash that man right out of it. I could do, you know dry shampoo exists and oh, we tried that for my daughter that stuff It's a penny it does come in handy But even even with that after three days I can't I just can't even if it like I was sort of passing For the rest of the world I would I would not be able to exist in a non Plumbing society like I would need running water to clean myself after like three three three day four Stretch it four days Without running water and just bathes like in a creek or something you'd be all right. Yeah, I just find a creek Yeah, there's a creek just around the corner You'd have to live near a creek Yeah in a van maybe Or You know, we're just Just sleep out under the stars. Maybe I'll shave my head and then I'll just can you use soap on your scalp at that point or no Yeah, why not? I think so Well, it's different skin, right? No, it's the same skin The the hair is what's different the skin is like a separate person growing up there No, there's no there's like you have different you have different skin like it's it's Like they're not I don't but so like if you know if if if a man or woman is bald I don't think you have to use shampoo on your head At that point you're just using you still gotta you still gotta wax it or something to protect you So you don't have to wax your head. You don't have to I don't know anyone who waxes their head video folks We understand uh that you have to go audio folks stick around for roger's secret hair care tips right after this