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They go It's because they drink too much for their Airways to properly breathe in They made me they were like no you had to do it like a kid two hands squeeze that it was one of the apple juice drinking races lost very Well, we used to take those boxes and when we're done we you blow into it So get real fat step put on the ground you step on this is a baby shower thing Roger. Have you ever had a baby? Yeah, I had a baby The baby there's a baby one of the baby shower games is they fill up a baby bottle of apple juice And you have to drink it with a nipple on. Oh, they do that at Hibachi, too. Do they Very strange last time I went to Hibachi They had a baby bottle and then the guy was like baby bottle because either it's Or it's apple juice. You don't want sake. They do you know apple juice, huh? Baby sake baby sake and you know and it's very strange especially when you have your 90-year-old mother next to being told baby sake and the guy is like spring Very strange very strange man Cleveland the best one minute I Sounds dirty so that's a little bit was it was really it was it was very uncomfortable. Ah That's the best moments, right? It's the best moment. You're absolutely right So Sarah you're good. You're doing the the pre-roll Yep, cool. I Shall do it all right Roger on your mark I think someone's Mike that was me All right, yeah, you can roll all right three two Daily Tech news show is powered by you to find out more head to daily tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Friday, January 26 2018 from DTNS headquarters in Los Angeles on Tom Merritt and From a undisclosed hotel room in Las Vegas. I'm Sarah Lane and from my artist cave somewhere in Cleveland, Ohio I'm Len Peralta Chris Ashley. Are you gonna introduce yourself? I am gonna introduce myself Somewhere in the DMV your man big Chris Ashley hang on if you don't know what the DMV is there one Marilyn I'm sorry Delaware, Maryland, Virginia. We we DC Maryland Virginia. Excuse me not Delaware. I used to call it Del Marva Yeah Yeah, we say Del Marva DC, but when we just do DC, Maryland, Virginia, we do the DMV so that's wrong And from Sailor snub studio in San Francisco. I am Shannon Morris Thank you guys for joining us. Let's go to illustrate. We're doing a round table show Our producer Roger Chang is here to keep us on time. Thank you Roger. I'm here to keep you on time Welcome to our Third round table shows this the third or fourth fourth fourth. Yeah, well, then I'm changing the script that someone wrote to say Now for those who might not be familiar once a month We expand the regular show into a full-fledged round table discussion instead of a half hour of Sarah Me and a co-contributor covering the headlines that day. We do a full hour of meaty discussion with Sarah myself and the other contributors digging in talking for 15 minutes We got at least up to 15 minutes to talk about each topic before we are moved along Roger We'll play some music to move us along if we hit that moment Now while all our topics cover the news of the day, we'll still start with a quick look at the top stories of the day Venture beats a class aka of leaks has two images of what he claims are the Samsung Galaxy s9 and s9 plus Neither are significant departures from the s8 if you were looking for something totally different Oh the Samsung announcement of the phones is scheduled for February 25th and shipping is said to start March 16th According to sources Google is testing a service called Bulletin that lets anyone publish local news and events examples include things like high school sports street closures book signings Etc. Bulletin is being tested in Nashville, Tennessee and Oakland, California Users can post text photos and videos from a phone app and Google wants to work with news organizations to allow them to take advantage of what's being posted there Intel beat expectations for its Q4 growing 4% year over year on the strength of its data center business which rose 20% in revenue beating expectations of 10% Internet of Things revenue rose 21% and programmable chips grew 35 Intel also Forecasted continued growth despite the specter meltdown flaws in its chips The company says the flaws are going to hurt sales But promised to ship new chips this year that don't have the flaws or the performance problems caused by software fixes Coin check Japan's largest cryptocurrency trader discovered 500 million NEM coins Were illicitly transferred from the service. That's about 400 million dollars worth coin check suspended all withdrawals Stopped trading of all coins except Bitcoin and stopped taking deposits of the NEM coins Japan's financial services agency is investigating That's because coin check has applied for a license as an exchange and operates under the FSA's rules while it's waiting for its approval Walmart is partnering with Rakuten to offer online grocery shopping in japan in q3 of this year Walmart will also partner with Rakuten's Kobo to add audiobook and ebook sales to walmart site in the us A co-branded reading app will be released for android and ios And facebook live will now let viewers tip gameplay streamers a minimum of three bucks from the desktop site Facebook has not said how much of that amount it will keep but there will be a revenue share It's part of facebook's gaming creator pilot program Which begins on saturday to help influencers build gaming communities on facebook So going after twitch and youtube gaming and that's a look At our top stories. All right. Let's kick off with our first topic discussion. This one came from you shannon We've got 30 million some people out there with amazon echoes And back in the day wiretapping of your phone was a concern But now we have a microphone in our house that's always listening And consumers don't generally look at their accounts to see the backlog of saved voice recordings and such Even though they can is this a problem I think it is a problem I should preface this by saying that I am also one of those amazon echo owners I have three of them now Mostly because I do tech reviews and then i'm like, oh, this is really convenient for me I should just keep this in my household So I do end up being one of these people that owns them But one of the things that has concerned me over time is that Previously with like edward snowden and with at&t even way back in the day We were very concerned about wiretapping happening on phone lines, especially home phones And then it procured into cell phones and so on and so forth Now we have these devices in our households that are collecting voice information There was a previous case with amazon where amazon turned over some echo voice information to the to a court Due to a trial that was going on. I believe it was a murder case So they turned over voice information. I don't know if it was actually used in the case But they were able to give that information over Identifiably about the person that was involved in that court case So the question comes around Are do we still care about wiretapping since it's it's become something that is in so many different households now Or do we not care because of that convenience? Now zd net has done these excellent articles about amazon specifically because they About every six months or so they'll release a pdf It's just a very simple document about what kind of data they are releasing over to the government How much of that data they're releasing however Unfortunately, these pdfs do not go into a lot of detail They only tell you the amount and then whether they are subpoenas search warrants or other kind of court orders Including faiza type of court orders And whether they did a full response no response at all or just a partial response And what kind of data they gave over whether it was non content Which is like names and addresses or if it included content and content would be the thing of concern That's going to be like data that is stored on a customer specifically The unfortunate thing with the amazon echo in particular is that While they do encrypt the data that is stored In the cloud and while the amazon echo only records about five seconds worth and it always listens for that word that wake up word They are still able to identify you based on your account because all that information is tied to your account If you compare this to the home pod the home pod is completely Encrypted and anonymized as well The google home is also encrypted, but it is also identifiable to your account So how do we feel as a generation? Giving over this kind of information and how do we feel that amazon hasn't Explicitly said what information they are turning over to the government They told us how much but they haven't told us if this is voice data or if this is customer purchasing power What information is going on here? Yeah, and did a great job of setting that up Just because I know people will tend to misinterpret stuff a couple of additional points to help people understand this I know you understand this stuff shannon amazon Is limited what they can put in their transparency reports first of all But they put in less than they can they could put in the number of total customers and they don't Where what shannon's talking about just to be clear is not the the five second buffer That's not that's not getting saved that constantly is being overwritten but There's plenty of stuff that you say to amazon or it accidentally gets triggered and it takes whatever it hears and it sends that to the cloud That's the stuff that she's saying is is associated with your account That's the stuff that could be turned over be honest amazon has been pretty resistant to turning things over to courts The only reason that they turned it over in the case that they have is because the client or i'm sorry the defendant agreed to do it uh But but they they they have been at least in that area Seemingly on their customer's side I don't change the fact that they've got a lot of data and it is associated directly with you And there's a lot of warrants out there the fact that they were they were able to do that in the first point So like they they don't anonymize that that information they were able to give it to the court and say okay Well, our customer is okay with it. So let me give this information to you Yeah, and I think that loosely our customer is okay with it because obviously no one is reading You know what they're actually doing with the data right before they sign up for it, but uh, I think we have uh two different Scenarios where when it comes to are we okay, and I think it's an excellent question Because you know in today's world You know the young kids they take Everything they do and it's on the internet, you know how many You can just in the last couple weeks people actually committing crimes recording themselves and putting it out there So I think some of these younger folks may not care as much About the information that they're putting out there whereas people like us who are much older Or on the other side of that, you know, we grew up where you know You keep your stuff in-house and you keep your you keep your information private And so for us it's a bit more concerning um And you know, I was in the gym just a week Well last week and they offered to do this body scan thing and I was like I'm not doing anything with you guys until I understand What you do with the data how you store it who has access to it How long you gonna keep it and the guy just eyes glazed glazed over he was like I just want to do a body scan I was like no, he's like I just kept paying commission for each body scan man. I don't understand I'm sorry, bro. I can't help you man. It was like What's going on? So, you know, I wish more people would actually Find these things more interesting and then perhaps stop putting so much information out there But you know facebook twitter they all live on our personal information um, and so they The different ways they put this stuff out to get that information is is it's just kind of scary As an example too, uh, I wanted to mention this I was going through my old echo voice information to see history It was it was very fun So I was going through it and most of the things that I say to my echo are very simply just like Hey, how's the weather? What's my calendar? Can you turn off the lights? And that's pretty much it So sometimes I'll find something in there and you go to settings and then go to history And uh, once you find something that you want to look at Uh, for example, there's a few times when it says text not available click to play recording And there were a few in there where it just happened to pick up like my husband's voice and he would just be like Hey, baby, do you want to get some some okra fried okra? Or just weird just weird random things All made fried okra. Yeah That sounds nothing like the word that I use which is the second word in PC so personal, you know that thing. I'm not going to say it because I don't want mine to turn on but But it sounds nothing like that. So I was like, why is it picking up those words? Obviously, I can delete that data history which I'm going to and I'm going to make sure to Schedule a calendar thing that says delete your device history like every week now since I know it randomly picks up but For that data to be saved in there, even though it's encrypted It's not anonymized. It's it's tied to my account So if for some reason I ended up in some court case or something or for some reason if the government needed that data on me like would Amazon would have the ability to turn that over And that's the thing that concerns me the most is that that data is there And I I believe that our society doesn't currently care as much as we should About the data that these different companies are collecting and yes, I know that I'm like spewing anger at amazon right now There are a lot of companies that do this as well a lot of like nsa's old partners and stuff like that with prison days But they are of concern because they aren't being super transparent with the reports that they're putting out there Well, and just to be like a super conspiracy theorist about the court cases shannon as you mentioned because I looked at my History as well and most of my history is like shut up shut up because No, I have three texts not available click to play recording in the past five. Yeah Yeah, yeah, it's like it's I sound like I'm a very angry person because usually I am triggering it by accident And I'm like shut up. God. That's not what I meant. I was talking to somebody else Stop and and you know, it's funny, right? It's like it doesn't really mean anything But what if there were some sort of question as to you know, whether I murdered somebody and you know the kind of weirdness of You know, maybe there was some some I'm not going to murder anybody but like that You know, someone had seen them come into my house that day or you know, just kind of that stuff where you don't have enough context If they're trying to prove like sarah was angry or shrine That's something you might want to show in court is that she was very upset that day Here's an example. Listen to this recording. Yeah, and I know that you know, maybe this is a little bit of a stretch You know, and I'm I yes, I'm I'm not super worried about this But it doesn't mean that it wouldn't be an issue for somebody in the future Right You know and the other question is um, we know this about amazon currently, but You know, how much information did uh, microsoft have what to connect? Um, and how much you know, does siri have? Um, you know, or it you know, are they turning over a similar type of stuff too? So the big question is too that we understand this is going on But is it enough for you to stop using it? I don't have one, right? And for me, it's not and that's the problem Like it should be enough to keep me from using it, but I like well, okay Let me let me reset because and shannon mentioned apple Actually does the processing on the device So they they they keep this anonymized that that helps But even so I like what amazon does because they say look we are associating it with your account So we give you clear access to what you have now It would be better if they just said we don't associate with your account because then I wouldn't have to worry But at least I know I can go in with my eyes wide open and decide All right, I'm gonna I'm gonna keep up on my history and make sure I delete things which I can do Which I don't right? That's the problem. However Is this actually worse? Than what used to happen where with a warrant they could tap your telephone line Uh and potentially in some cases Take an old old-fashioned telephone and turn it into a microphone So they could hear everything that was going on in your home all the time something that the echo Can be hacked to do but is not something amazon is going to do under a warrant that that is there's no precedent for that So in a sense, they used to be able to get more than they can get out of this Though this can get more in a different way. Yeah, but I think we've clearly seen that You know law enforcement for good or bad You know they they any means they have to gather information they want to solve the cases that you're trying to solve They're going to use and try to get so I don't know if it makes it any worse or any better But it's just you know, we always have to remember That when you have new technology like this It also gets used in multiple ways. Not just the way the inventor intended. Yeah Yeah, go ahead Shannon. I think previously, uh, you know when when Wiretapping was a huge concern We didn't know about it But then when snowden came out and you know started issuing a bunch of data about what what the government was collecting We we got so much more power so much more knowledge As consumers that we we did start learning and start understanding like what kind of information The government is allowed to connect collect and what kind of information different companies are collecting So the only reason that they're being transparent these companies They don't have to be transparent with their consumers and I think that's a very important point Uh, but they are willing to do so because they want Their customers to trust them because they don't want to lose us as customers So now we have this issue where we're kind of We're kind of going back and forth. It's like a tennis match like yes on one hand We want the convenience and the power of this new technology But on the other hand, we're losing some of the privacy that we used to have However Wiretapping I believe was much worse So So what is the perfect? What is the perfect answer here? Yeah, there is none. I think that's why this is this is such a good topic Because amazon is actually doing a lot of the right things They are doing a transparency report They do give you access to what's recorded and and give you the ability to delete it But that still doesn't make it an ideal situation And and that that's a much more interesting thing to think about and to decide Because you have the information, but should you still give it over right? That's a harder question to answer And the one piece that just sits out there is why are is apple and other companies? comfortable and Anonymizing the data, but they chose not to I really would like to know their technical answer for that Oh, it's it's it's easier It's a whole lot easier to provide a high quality experience if you don't anonymize the data That's I give you that answer right now It's it's a lot harder to pull off and it's one of the reasons that people are like, um, Siri just isn't as good sometimes I don't use Siri so I couldn't attest to any of those I I honestly find them they all seem to Flounder You know the same way. Yeah, it's but yeah, I and again I I Cortana I have never once used so I have no opinion there He was but but google amazon apple, you know the the assistants are great They're super helpful. They've enriched my life, but they're not perfect and they're all not perfect in the same way at least for me All right. Well, let's uh, let's move along then to our next topic, sarah Yeah, so uh, this is uh, this is actually a good topic chris because we've really been kicking it around all week I'll go ahead and kind of set up this whole net neutrality conversation and then let you take it from there So this week we discussed on the show the governors of Montana and then new york both signed laws Requiring isps to honor net neutrality principles in order to get contracts with state government states Basically saying well, you know, we're going to make it really hard for you If you're not following these net neutrality rules where we are We are bucking what what the fcc wants us to do what the federal government wants us to do And of course laws vary state by state possibility of the stc continuing to change regulations as these administrations change Given the idea of a federal law new momentum AT&T Earlier this week presented its own vision. It was uh, what did they call it the the internet Bill of rights. Yeah, uh regulations for companies like google and facebook tech companies as well as as telecoms and cable companies So chris, I know this is of uh, a lot of interest to you What are your thoughts on? The idea that states want to make things as difficult as possible and are they going to be successful if If enough states kind of band together and and and create a lot of friction Well, I'll tell you I've been on this cat a jet pie from day one I mean the moment he was put in the office. I was like, no, this this this is not right so I've been you know, kind of looking at this all all of last year and and you know, we You know us who watch this tech stuff and we watch the politics and we you know, sometimes we just get defeated when we see Certain moves that are made and when the vote comes in it came in I was like, it's over You know and uh, you know, I know that they're trying to pass the The little thing in the in the senate, but they're not gonna have enough votes and and the president will never sign it so You know, I kind of felt defeated and what interested me is that even though in this particular moment I was like, man, it's over the fact that there was another interesting Angle that the states took to protect themselves and to protect their protective their their people From this law and I just found that to be super interesting that the fight wasn't over Okay, and um, you know and Because the the one thing that really I thought was the nail in the coffin was the fact that He added the clause in his judgment uh that precluded the states from making their own laws To get around what he was doing wasn't that neutrality with with dismantling it So the fact that they're saying well, we're not going to make a law. We're just going to make a rule You want to do business with us? No throttling of internet. I I just thought that was so gangster It just really made me happy And so that's the part of the that I found particularly interesting and then in the same week That we hear about this, you know, you have burger king coming to rescue and trying to educate people on net neutrality And I think that's one of the biggest problems because you know, I look I see what people are talking about on facebook and no one That that's just what I consider to be a civilian in the tech world. They don't know I didn't see anybody posting to say oh, this is terrible. You know, they're just you know Trump this and all all that other stuff and nobody talked about this So the fact that burger king was like I'm going to use this to gain popularity because we can go viral with this and they did But the fact that it really did educate more people this week than knew about net neutrality last week so the fact that Overall the fact that people are still fighting to to to fix this and make sure that it doesn't come into play I just found that super interesting Yeah, I I think burger king getting a viral hit out of it and States being willing to go to the trouble to create these contract rules for themselves Which you know It may sound like an easy thing to do. Oh the governor just signs an executive order But it's it's going to be complex behind the scenes to make that part of the bidding process and everything It shows that this debate is not satisfied people are not okay with it And we need a better solution I actually that AT&T bill as flawed as it was their proposal is a good sign that like Even if it's coming from from someone who's you know, clearly got a conflict of interest in this fight At least it's them saying well, maybe the best way is to create a some legislation And if we do that in a way that is bipartisan and and that Can happen seems less likely than ever these days, right? But it could that would be the best thing is to say, you know what? These are the behaviors that really come on everybody agrees The isp say they don't want to do blocking and throttling paid prioritization is the one they're always like Maybe not. Maybe we'd like to do that one So let's blocking throttling put that in the bill. Everybody agrees with it And let's start from there and saying, okay Why do you really want paid prioritization beyond the fact that you think you can make bank on it? Is there some valid reason? Is there a way that it could be done that doesn't offend People or actually upset the marketplace It could be done The problem is net neutrality became a political football where it was like health care Like you were on one side or the other no matter what the truth was about it I kind of wish the burger king thing Meant that it was depoliticizing it. I'm not sure it does though Yeah, I think that uh first I I didn't I I didn't take the AT&T gesture as goodwill At all and I think exactly what you mentioned was the fact that they they're basically trying to get legislation put in that Allows them to do the paid prioritization prioritization First the other pieces of it. So, you know, I give them no love none whatsoever. However, um, I you know the fact that it's The fact that it's so politicized now and I think it just has to do with the you know AT&T Verizon all of these guys are just a really just paying You know the fact that a jitpah used to work for Verizon says it all right there You know, he's not there by accident So, you know to me it has you know, if we look at this it just has to be A law very simple that says you're not allowed to do that. Let's move on and even to the point where you know I I still don't understand why the internet is not becoming a utility much like uh, you know, I mean I don't have a home phone. I haven't had a home phone in 10 years You know, but I guess they have internet And and and it is a utility I mean forget about the legal definition like it is something that we rely on To do our daily lives more and more not less and less Uh, you know the people who used to be able to say I can get along fine without the internet Are less able to do that and I see that in people that I used to know who're like Man, I don't need one of those gadgets now have an android smartphone, right? Like it's just happening more and more things are app related. We're gonna talk about this in a later discussion So it is essential to to have the internet To to live a decent life and it's soon becoming like electricity that you have to have Internet to live an acceptable life. So this is important. It is beyond politics and we need to get it right Right. So that's what I want. You know, I thought you had an interesting Uh point when you said let's talk about what a law should look like But the reality is the more I think about it and I was like, you know, what should we put in the law or if we We took the bill of rights out of AT&T's Grubby hands and we said let's do a bill of rights and do it the right way But at the at the heart of it. I'm like, wait a minute It can't be a law about what you can do what you can't do What really needs to happen is it needs to become a utility and then that's the end of it Well, but what does that mean? There has to be a law that defines what that utility is, right? Well, yeah, so yeah, but I'm saying instead of necessarily putting rule It's just, you know, you're saying a few net neutrality law doesn't go far enough You need to just make it like, you know Well, and and that's what the FCC tried to do under wheeler is make it a common carrier The problem is those definitions apply to somebody else. They apply to telephone and their old vet was awful. Yeah That's a big problem Yeah, that's a huge problem that we've been seeing throughout this whole net neutrality debate Over the course of how long has it been now a decade that this has been going on? so One of the huge issues that we've been seeing with internet Is that we've been trying to use all these old school definitions and try to create something Something that works within the boundaries of what the government is used to With other old, you know telecom companies and other utilities The internet is a completely different beast and that's what makes net neutrality a completely different beast and It's it's time. It's past time that we create some new terminology To define how the internet should be accessed and what kind of rights we should have as you know as internet citizens Yeah, the telecommunications act of 1996 Did that for cable television, right? It came in and it said look The 30s era telephone law doesn't work well with cable. We have a different situation Let's define what cable is Define what it's not and set the rules for how it's behaving and chris, you know I think your argument's working on me a little which is net neutrality is just one one section in that law Accessibility and roll out and whether municipalities should be allowed to create their own Own internets or not, uh, which there are more and more studies showing that when they do And they do in highly conservative areas. It ends up being better Not just for the citizens, but also for the competition. It ends up making a more competitive landscape So we need to take all of this information into account and create the rules of the game for everyone Well, I sat back and I tried to figure out why am I so jaded over this particular topic aside from the fact Obviously, I use i'm a gamer, you know, I use the internet Just like everybody else but I I in my area and we had one cable company and it was uh They were called Montgomery cable at the time and then they became Comcast And I remember paying four dollars for a remote control. Yeah on the bill I remember that. Yeah. Yeah, I remember looking over the bills. Like I got to pay four dollars for the remote seven dollars for the box 13 dollars for the service and just like this is what I'm like, you know And I saw I remember one, you know, the laws came in and they said no, you can't charge for this stuff anymore Um, and so, you know to me, this is that all over again with by the same companies. Yeah You know 1996 is not perfect, but go ahead Those companies are still charging people monthly for routers that would be like a one-time purchase for modems Yeah for modems rather and you know, that's that's it's sort of like it's so egregiously Just nickel and diming has always bugged me Well, and you know what it is it's not so much like if you know better, you're like, well, that's just a terrible choice Why would anyone do that? But the companies know that enough folks don't know the difference and aren't educated enough to say Oh, you're not going to take money that you don't deserve and that's what uh always angers me Yeah, I remember having a postmortem call with direct tv And I was like, what can we do to get you back? And I was like absolutely nothing I was like and let me list out why And I was telling them, you know, I said I have an hd receiver I'm paying you for The the privilege to watch shows in hd because it was a separate charge for hd and then I had to pay you To record those shows what it's a dhd dvr. It does all of that stuff Why am I paying you separately for all of those capabilities that are in the box? So, you know, just as an example of one of the things and direct tv in its day was one of the less abusive Companies You guys were the bomb you you saved me from Comcast so you could do nothing wrong in my eyes until you did Yep Yeah, that's always the way Nick with a c in our chat room has a good question He had asked, uh, what's the difference between paid prioritization and throttling He's like it sounds like the same thing and it can have the same effect But the reason you'll hear isp say we're against throttling is throttling means I go And I say you google.com are going to be slowed down whenever we see google.com packets We're putting them at the back of the row, right? We're going to slow you down They're not going to do that Uh, and I believe them when they say they're not going to do it paid prioritization is Everybody's coming in at the same speed. Everything's neutral. Oh except google paid So we put them on the front of the line. So their stuff comes in a little faster Maybe it slows the rest of the traffic down. Maybe it doesn't depends on the day But your google traffic always because they paid always going to come in first So it's a subtle difference and it doesn't have quite the same effect But that's why they want to do it because they can say like oh well most of the time all your traffic is going to be the same It's just we want somebody to be able to pay to have their traffic always be perfect It's like paying for pre check at the airport. Yeah TSA pre is paid prioritization totally is that is a really good analogy, right? It's like that's Getting to the front of the line is great But if we were getting throttled in the tsa line, that means like I've been standing there for 10 minutes And it's like no sir. You have to go to the back of the line Yeah, exactly except mom. I am willing to pay for pre check So fine. Yeah Well, I mean if that's your option Right and this is why paid prioritization is so nefarious if that's your option and you can afford it Then you'll pay it What happens is the person who can't afford it has to wait in that big long line I can probably afford it, but I don't uh because I don't feel I should Because I think that tsa should just be better. So again, the analogy continues It's the principle of it. You know, it's like, oh this whole process sucks so Well, and there's the way All right, uh, I I'm sure we're gonna get some emails about the tsa pre analogy So so send him to his feedback at daily tech news show.com. I like that one Let's move on to the discussion topic that was picked by the advisors at our advisor level at patreon.com Dtns The question is what's the number one tech topic you're sick of People know that that we cover a lot of this stuff and we see it over and over and over again And I'm sure they've picked up that some of us have favorite topics and less favorite topics So I think this will be interesting. Shannon, we'll start with you. What's what's that topic that you're just roll your eyes at Every time you see it come up Well, since I recently went to ces The idea of consumer gadgetry has been on my mind quite a bit over the past couple weeks And I got to see say every single time I go to ces and I see one of these things I legit roll my eyes in real life smart refrigerators I know it's ridiculous and I know it's such a stupid little thing But I am so sick of hearing these companies tout their smart refrigerators Like it's the new found finagled thing and everybody needs one. I see zero use for smart refrigerators I'm not going to ask you how old you were in 1999 But ios seeing smart refrigerators at ces well in 2000 Yeah, I mean that's that's an oldie, but a goodie as far as I was 15 I mean, that's how long this has been going on. I don't I totally hear you I Think it's kind of like the symbol of the useless tech that won't go away that everyone's like still don't need it But it just keeps getting more sort of advanced like now We've got an iPad and the you know a whirlpool refrigerator. However, I will say at this year ces and an interview I did recently for another project where we were interviewing somebody who is Putting together a startup a health startup. That's kind of a combination of Accessing your your dna, you know through, uh, you know some prick of your blood and some, you know saliva that kind of thing kind of 23 and me type stuff but in order to give you a Not only sort of chart of what kind of Meal plan would be best for you, but also meal delivery plans And this particular company has nothing to do with smart refrigerators. They don't do hardware at all But the CEO of the company was saying, you know, you take it a step further What we would like to do at some point in the future is be able to have You know a refrigerator that can tap into this very specified meal plan for optimum health So that if you've got stuff coming in and you're really taking this seriously And you really want to like like dig into, you know, the best version of yourself for your health Then something like a smart refrigerator that can tap into that data makes a little bit more sense. Yeah It's way overkill for most people But again as somebody who is not very good at eating things before they go bad I would also like my refrigerator to tell me that Yeah That makes a lot more sense the idea that it would help you, you know Get better with your health, which is something that a lot of us including myself really need help with But on the other hand currently what we are seeing in the smart refrigerator genre because apparently that's a genre is Simplicity like these very simple things that it can do It's smart for like like you can see through the transparent Screen on your front door and you can see what's in the fridge like I can open the fridge It's so easy to do that You can you can talk to it and tell it to add things to your your grocery list Well, what are you going to do when you get to the grocery store? Are you going to take your refrigerator with you or are you going to open your amazon echo app and do the same exact thing? So the problem is they're not very smart The smart refrigerators are dumb Exactly and I think that's my biggest issue with it is just I So far I have not seen like the wow smart refrigerator That actually does like all these super useful things because I I already have some kind of technology elsewhere that does everything that it offers me Yeah, I think there are a lot of home appliances that we can say oh But think about if it did this thing because now we're all you know, we're you know trying to you know Everything has to be optimized right everything should be optimized, you know save us time Save us money make us healthier blah blah blah But but it's still you know, it's all very conceptual at this point We're we're a few levels back still it's not good at it yet If it could say while I'm at the store. Hey your eggs are about to go bad get new eggs Also, if you want to make that stroganoff you're talking about here's the here's the things you have and here's the things you need to get Okay, then that's a smart fridge, but they don't do that yet Yeah, none of that. I I just bought a new About washing machine and I didn't even think about looking at anything that was like along the lines of smart I just wanted to wash my clothes. That's it. And uh, you know, and I love the smoke food So it's just not in me to be like oh, I need to have all these different ingredients. I don't want a smart smoker No No, my smoker needs to be What it is my homeboy I got a little fan that goes with it I can I can access that remotely to keep the temperature where I want to come over to your house at eat I'm telling you You keep talking about the smoker every time we're you're not going home I know I know I'm just going to eat my way to my food coma Well, Chris let's let's move on to you. What is your number one tech topic you're sick of? My number one tech topic that I don't want to see another article another commercial another nothing About is who stole whose feature? I am so done With this feature existed on this platform and this feature If you don't think that a cool feature is going to end up somewhere else you are dumb So just stop it already with this. Oh, well, yeah, good job apple for getting this feature in after 10 years Just shut it. Nobody cares. It's gonna they're gonna bring the feature people are gonna use it They're gonna love it. They're even gonna pretend apple invented it. Just get over it enough No more who stole whose feature first Yeah, I mean there are some cases where it's like, oh wait this you're definitely patent infringing, right? But those are so rare and people are like, oh, so you put out a square phone to rip off Like wait a minute. Hold on. It's just gone too far. Yeah, you know, you know Where people are rocking apple jerseys and samsung jerseys just let's just put an end to this stuff I have definitely been at fault of doing that in the past chris and I I will graciously apologize to you for doing this Look at this as an android user. I have definitely said on some of my previous podcasts Oh, well, I've had wireless for like four years nexus had a wireless before the iphone did So I've definitely done that before It used to be the thing to do with browsers too. I every time chrome had a new feature I'd be like, yeah firefox had that years ago, right? Okay, so let's let's 2018 y'all put that to bed. Yep I'm with you. Oh, it's a feature here. Well, you know, I think this is I I agree that who had what first is is is tiresome But it all kind of plays into a bigger like people choose technology That it becomes a very personal decision, you know, yes, it's a financial decision Or you know a platform decision on some level but it's something that you're going to use all the time And people can get really bent out of shape when they feel as though they're being challenged for making this decision That's a very personal one. And so I think that that's where you get these like, well, um, you know, no My device had that before your device my device actually better than your device Don't tell me that I made a bad choice because I think there's some there's like a whole defensiveness thing in in technology I'm certainly guilty of it at times that is It's annoying, but it's also really fascinating That how how upset you can make somebody By touting a feature that Either they're, you know, again, let's just use a smartphone as an example Either their smartphone had first or maybe their smartphone doesn't have yet, but it's like hey if it works for you We should all be happy, right? We're online. Whoo, but it unfortunately that you know, that's just not human behavior Yeah, I'm a seem to take a holder and I've watched guys get into fist fights in the stand over Games where I'm like, how much are they paying you because you're not making any of those millions. Why are you punching each other on the face? Because apple ripped off handspring visor chris. That's why All right, uh sarah lane, what about you? All right, so I know that we talk a lot about uh, the ups and downs the volatility the ICOs that the everything to do with the cryptocurrency Uh craze and overall movement Cryptocurrency itself is not something that I'm tired of what I am tired of are what we will call cryptocurrency experts And everyone I know is one now now of let's say a hundred people that now talk about cryptocurrency on facebook regularly with authority probably Two to three of those people I would really trust To explain it, you know to come on the show and explain it, you know in an authoritative way I uh, and I don't fault anybody for being excited about something new that is uh, largely unproven as far as the greater population goes and has a lot of kinks to work out yet and has A potential to change the world right like that part of it is very exciting and I understand why people want to be a part of that And I do too. Um, but I have now started to kind of notice in that dinner party atmosphere Um, a lot of people saying stuff where I'm like, just not even get involved in this But you don't know what you're talking about, you know, and it's just kind of bad information But I just want to guess are most of them former social media experts Right social media mavens. I think is the primary thing now Translate they've pivoted to right, right, right. Um, and and I again, it's like, you know, the the the What this whole So for example, I've got a friend who uh, you know, it's like he just woke up a week ago and discovered bitcoin And now he's gonna like start a company about bitcoin and it's like, you know what? I hope it succeeds I do But I think, you know, it's there's There's so much information Going around and conversations being had where I'm like, this is just it's it's almost like a political thing You know where I'm like that is just not that's not accurate You don't know what you're saying and now that third person thinks that you're right and you guys are gonna lose all your money I'm uh, I'm with you on that I've I've had this issue where I have not researched cryptocurrency at all and being a journalist who focuses on technology I feel like i'm going to have to force myself Into cryptocurrency just so I can understand it enough to talk about it But I constantly see information from people who I have never seen talk about technology Explaining cryptocurrency and it's it's the weirdest thing and I i'm currently at that point with my research that I don't know What information is factual and what information i'm seeing that is either misinformation or just blatantly incorrect So I feel like it might be doing a disservice to the community at large that is trying to get into cryptocurrency We keep on seeing this kind of misinformation that's happening right and then you also have these Um, you know kind of clickbaity stories about the bitcoin millionaires of silicon valet You know these people who got in early and it's like yeah, there are a small amount of people who have a bunch of money now Or you know at least that Exactly uh, that you know, we're we're smart enough to get in early or at least you know I have the potential money if they were to convert into u.s. Dollars or whatever But that kind of thing is it really kind of scares me because it's like there's no get rich quick scheme for everybody You know, it's like that's not we haven't we haven't just figured out how to like print money all of a sudden That's not the way that this works and I I I hear people saying What I think are kind of reckless things about well me, you know, maybe my 401k and I'll just like put it into xrp And it's like, oh my gosh We need to like everybody get your head back on straight. So the cryptocurrency experts Cut it out everybody unless you really are one Yeah, I don't get nothing I don't pay attention to it So I don't have the passion you have into it But i'm with you just because you have passion in what you're saying because you know, the only stories that I tend to even Consider looking at when it comes to bitcoin or I sold my house to buy bitcoin. It's like, yes I got to see how on earth you got to be that now So let's let's read your story because I can figure out how to yeah And we've done we've done a few cryptocurrency episodes here to try to help people understand it But really the main thing to understand right now is it's super volatile No one's sure exactly what it's going to be good for right you can tell you how it works Nobody can tell you what's going to happen with it and anybody who thinks they they are sure is lying to you Look at their resume They were probably a social media maven and before that an sco specialist and before that a webmaster And who knows what hey, what do you have against webmasters? I know I was a webmaster too I was trying to what was the what was the dot-com era version of this I mean technically tom you're still a webmaster And thank you. I appreciate you acknowledging that Just there's nothing wrong with modern webmaster. Yeah, yeah nothing wrong with owning a geocities website when you were a kid Okay, no, I totally owned two myself. I was in the athens neighborhood and the so-called neighborhood I still remember it fondly All right, my the one that I'm tired of I there's so many I'll be honest you guys have touched on a couple of them already But the one that I think really just bugs me the most are the device rumors the the rampant permanent place in google news For apple iphone rumors and samsung galaxy s9 rumors used to just be the iphone But man, uh, tell you what samsung should take this to heart Their rumors are in there as constantly as the apple rumors And it's not that I don't want to know a little bit ahead of time, right? We talked about ev leaks with the s9 images today. That's because I know he's trustworthy. I know his leaks almost always pan out And that's why it works for venture beat now But there's just so much fluff out there and and people taking things that don't mean anything and turning them into To something that doesn't so it just it just bugs me. It's like, oh, let's just wait till they announce it, you know And and and then we can get excited What good is it to know ahead of time? Maybe you can short the stock if it looks bad or something if you're an investor I don't know but as a device person if I can't buy it yet. Anyway, what do I care? You mean you didn't want to know that apple was canceling the iphone 10 You didn't like except they're not canceling the iphone 10 It's such a misinterpretation, right? It's like no, they're coming out with three new versions of a phone Like they did last year that they may or may not name iphone 10 or something else What they're doing is incredibly predictable, but you're right chris. That's a great example of the clickbait headline apple's gonna upset the apple cart And the big websites that picked up on that and it was just like, whoa business What are you guys doing? This is it's like wow. Yeah, you're a hundred percent, right? Well, um, big thanks to david jones who uh, nominated this topic and uh, and and put it up for the vote I will confess that I know running short on time Um, I was one of those people I used to live and breathe like gadget rumors It wouldn't matter if it was two years out. It was just some the it was like little It's of uh something to live for it. It was it was sadly a very You know a very fervent Period of my time and you know, I I think it's just uh, it's just part of part and parcel of living on the internet This is the integrity of roger chang in motion. By the way, he's playing himself off All right, let's get to our last discussion topic sarah Yes, tom uh, all right, so this is uh, this is a uh topic that's near and dear to me particularly because I did some travel today and uh, and and Sort of had to jump through a few hoops to be sitting here doing the show with you guys But the idea that travel uh in the realm of technology has changed a lot over You know, let's call it the last decade plus Tom do we want to start in 2000? You know three slash five before sort of the smartphone era sure sure you want me to paint you a word picture Uh, okay It's 2003 you're traveling picture you go to the airport You might have a wi-fi card that you put into the side of your thinkpad t42 But there's no airport wi-fi Uh, there's no 3g for your cell phone You might have WAP on your phone There are many fewer charging stations generally if you can plug in your laptop at the airport to charge it It's because you're using the same outlet that the people use to vacuum Uh, there's no apps to check your flights and delays. You've got to look at the boards If you're out driving around you have to have a gps device if you want to use mobile maps there It's not on your telephone Cell phone service goes out if you're in a busy location like a conference or a city center or crossing a bridge Uh, you're watching videos on your plane on your portable dvd player Uh, and you couldn't have it powered on during takeoff and landing not only had couldn't have it out You couldn't even have it on And you didn't have charger on the plane either like this this was the world a mere 15 years ago You know, I I spent a year outside of the u.s. Um from 2006 to 2007 So it's you know, this is even a few years in the future But still this is pre iphone pre smartphone in the world that we all know it as And many of the countries I was visiting were develop developing countries and uh, you know, I had a macbook a macbook pro I guess it was a macbook pro, uh, and But that that was it and I remember even beforehand researching. Okay. Well if I needed to get internet kind of on the go You know, like would satellite internet be something that I might want to invest in and it was like catastrophically expensive like Larry Ellison might be able to afford it But you know nobody else was doing that going to uh, you know an internet cafe was the only way You could get the laptop online if you were lucky And usually even then you couldn't explain to somebody No, just give me the ethernet cable and I'll just do it myself It was like no no no that's your laptop is no good here We don't know what that is you have to sit at this windows machine That's you know dusty and doesn't really work that well and you know that kind of thing so And that was that was fine actually in a way it was a great way to unplug but But there you know to do that same trip today would be like a kick walk compared to how hard it was to get online Once a week if I was lucky Yeah, I and and and today just just just to bring it full circle before we we we get your guys opinions on on how this has changed for you Yesterday nor I guess it was Wednesday Uh, I had a flight delay notification show up in my app while I'm at the coffee shop Uh, I used the app to rebook to an earlier flight with one tap Uh, my new boarding pass arrived over the internet while I was on the bart train the subway train in san francisco Where I was getting full internet Uh, I swiped my phone at the security checkpoint and to board the plane no paper boarding passes On board the airline had wi-fi for charge But free in-flight movies and tv's that were delivered wirelessly to my device And I could use my phone From the moment I boarded until I landed the only thing I had to do was turn off cell data connectivity I could leave wi-fi on I could leave the phone on just Everything different From 15 years ago. Yeah, wow I remember back in 2007 when the kindle was first released. Uh, and I bought the first one Um, it was my first time on a plane in ages because I was still in school So I couldn't take vacations anywhere unless it was over the summertime But I took the kindle onto the plane and they told me to shut it off During takeoff and landing. I wasn't allowed to have it on and I looked at them and I was like It's an e-book reader. It doesn't even have a connection It it did if you if you wanted to connect to anything But it it wasn't connected at all and I was just like what I don't understand why this is a problem And now a decade later, it's no problem at all You can leave everything on during takeoff and landing as long as it's a small little device. They're like, I don't care You got a little switch switch. It's all good. Leave it on I've noticed too that yes in the days where the devices need to be powered off, you know, and you'd kind of like You know the flight attendant walked by, you know, try to Send that text, you know as you know into the last minute I mean, there were times where I was really pushing it, you know And someone would stand over me and be like, no, we're gonna watch you power that down Yeah, you know because you're you know, like with it was sort of a standoff kind of thing And now I know that you're supposed to put your your let's you know, for example my iPhone this morning You know put it in in um airplane mode If I want to keep it on which is way better than powering it off entirely at least for um convenient sake, but No one really seems to be checking No, it doesn't I don't Yeah, it's it's it and that just sort of leads me to believe it's like there was this weird rule that existed And no one really knew why but now that it doesn't anymore or it's a lot more lax. It's like That rule doesn't seem to be being enforced much at all I have been guilty of just forgetting To go into airplane mode and it's like You know, I didn't do it on purpose, but nobody checked And then a phone call comes through and then it lights up the entire airplane as you're taking off off My phone has uh, it wasn't during takeoff, but it was before landing But we were still in the air like we weren't like over the runway and my phone rang loudly And You know, it was mortifying one of the most embarrassing moments, you know Because it was you know, it was back in the day a little bit, but but yeah, it's It's uh, it's just interesting to me, you know, what's like is what's being enforced? And why? Yeah, I remember just just just having when you were I would We our headquarters were in is was in phoenix And uh, so I take frequent frequent trip to phoenix and of course to california, you know when we had meetings out there and uh Could not pack for a trip without having like two extra batteries Just to make sure I could use the tech that we talked about using on the phone and nowadays I don't even think about it anymore because the battery life on a lot of these devices have significantly increased Um, you know, where you're not carrying a spare battery, you know For me when I get when I would go camping. I didn't go camping without a bed A couple extra batteries Generating all of that stuff now. I'm like, yeah, you know, it's only a day or two. So yeah, I'll be fine and yeah, so And in airports and stuff, uh now there's chargers everywhere. Yeah used to have to yeah I used to bring A power strip with me in my laptop bag Because when I found the plug at the airport I'd be able to plug in more than one device and share it with people Like if somebody was taking up the plug That was always my deal of like, hey, do you mind if I do the power strip and then we can all plug in and anybody's welcome Uh, you don't have to do that anymore. Yeah No, it's been a long time since I was like Kind of freaking out at the airport. Like it's a lord of the flies situation Like whoever finds that plug like dives to the carpet first and then just Like since they're like gollum like get away from me. But um, but yeah, it's it's that part of it is very nice I also I remember the first flight I took the first Transatlantic flight I took to europe that had wi-fi And because for a long time it was like there was no wi-fi and then it was There's some planes in the continental us would have it and then most of All of the flights would have it But you'd never be able to go overseas and have your wi-fi the whole time And the first time I was on a plane that had that I was like My work my mind is blown the world is magic. I will never complain about anything again. It's the most wonderful thing And then the last time I was on a flight It like wasn't working for some reason and it was like I was just having a meltdown You know because I you get so used to these things, but you forget so quickly How that was just it didn't exist and you didn't you know, you don't know it you have until it's gone Well, and that's a great point because it used to be Uh, I People would advise each other like hey, is it worth logging on? I see you took the dive and paid for the wi-fi Is it actually working and I occasionally a couple of times people unsolicited would see me and go I just logged on it's it's crap. You might not want to pay Uh, and and now it's the opposite of like what it's not working Like how dare they right right. I demand a free wine and Money back money back when I was on a flight uh this morning I You know, I was sort of I was it was go-go flight. It was a united flight and I always pay for internet because it's like I just have stuff to do or even if I don't I just it makes the time go by faster And uh, I wanted to play a song like there was some song I really wanted to listen to and I hadn't downloaded it from apple music You know so I could only access it via the you know apple music radio option And the go-go was just like they're they're just not letting people stream music yet Not there yet, you know, so I was like dang it. Gosh. It's not like I'm trying to stream a movie. It's just a song But we won't be long now that We'll all be doing that and we'll all be like remember how we used to have to download podcast episodes before you got on a flight You know, it's like it'll you know, it's gonna get to a point where this will all seem silly Yeah, and yet we're still so far because I think someone mentioned earlier that you know We still care around driver's license and You know, even though with you know, these paid things you can you you're getting close with like apple pay any other pay But it really bugs me that I'm still you know have to bring a wallet with me everywhere I go Yeah, we've had conversations certainly on dtns And and kind of everyone I know of like, you know the digital wallet and you know apple pay or you know Samsung pay or android pay and like There are definitely people who are you know using it regularly, but not as much as I thought would be You know the adoption rate at this point. However, I had a situation today where I had to pick up a rental car Well, I've got my passport with me Because that's what I travel with and I just did not bring this particular wallet that my driver's license is in Well, you can't rent a car with a passport You have to have a driver's license because you have to prove that you are allowed to drive You can carry the car across borders with the passport, but you can't drive it Yeah, right. You gotta push it, you know, and I'm just not that strong So so I was like gosh I wish that that whole digital wallet thing that we've been talking about for a few years where you know There's just sort of like some digital scan of all of our you know government issued IDs Would have really come in handy. You're like wish we lived in a surveillance state. I really do I really do Really do. Well, I don't but I did for about five minutes today. Yeah I'm still the weirdo over here that never pays for internet Or wireless on planes, but that's mostly just because I go to def con I'm also the one weirdo who still carries a physical wallet and is okay with that and it's because I go to def con so I'm perfectly fine with having disconnected things while I'm in a plane Because I know wi-fi pineapples work on planes and also because I don't want my credit cards to get hacked I also carry a wallet and I also will not use public wi-fi internet anywhere Unless I have a vpn setup and even that it's like off and on But the fun thing on the airplane is to see everybody else's laptops show up as shared devices I agree and if you want to learn more check out hack five I will say just it just is on the subject of plane wi-fi I've had this conversation but I have friends who are They're not disconnecting from wi-fi or choosing not to buy it because they're worried about You know privacy or or security They just don't want it because they want to be alone on a flight reading a book Yeah, that's one more place where we had we no longer have an excuse Right exactly All right. Well, that is it uh for what I must say has been a very cathartic round table We've gotten over our our fan addiction to to accusing people of feature ripoff and and and rumor mongering This is this has been very helpful Len Peralta has been illustrating throughout this entire episode. Len. What have you come up with? Well, tom you mentioned earlier that you were gonna paint a word picture And I painted a physical picture You painted a paint picture a paint picture exactly airport travel then and now And it's your classic you know Going through the motions of the last 15 years where the The only thing that hasn't changed is that we still have to take our shoes off Although I understand that you do, you know, you don't have to do that and pre-check, but it's the evolution of traveler That's a better name than I can oh man Uh, he slowly stands up over time, but he still can't wear shoes can't wear shoes. That's right one thing Uh, so yeah, so this is available in my online store right now. Len Peralta store.com Excellent. Thank you. Len. Uh, go check it out folks This is this is actually great because he used some of my notes From from the rundown on the poster. It's perfect But there are some other ones there that you need to read so you have to go check it out at the store, so Len Peralta store.com Well, thank you so much to our round table guests today Chris Ashley We will start with you. Uh, and give folks a Chance to know what you're up to these days Yo, you can always find me on the smr podcast smr podcast.com just three of my Three of us on there talking tech and other stuff too. Just a fun show. You can always Uh, check us out. You'll feel like you're one of us when you listen one of us one of us Exactly and you can catch me on twitter at big chris ashley Sweet. 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Oh, no Yeah, and I was like not again And so I was like trying to unplug the phone and the fax machine in here and it's all nuts But I realized for whatever reason My google hangouts if I clicked on that tab That's what was ruining everything I just because I like to go back and forth because I like yeah, right Whoever's on the show, you know and kind of you know some visual cues and that's sure It's like I just left it alone. I never looked I never looked at any of you Could have fooled me Sensitives yeah, which is I couldn't I couldn't bring up lens page because it was hanging Yeah, I could put it off the the screen. Well, as you said roger, it's sensitive Let's not talk about it in front of it or it might Everybody That was a fun show What should we call it? In perfect distance Smart fridges are dumb Whose feature is it anyway? Al where where was your owner on the night of the 25th? The owl on the coal mine I love I just want to scan your body I had the guy at the gym said I just want to scan your body Let me ask you a question for anyone who goes through that little radar or the This the three the the full body scan Like does anyone else go through besides me? I do pre-check every time so I don't have to I don't care. Yeah, I'll do it I totally suck in my gut when I hold up my arms I Tom paints a word pick The evolution of the traveler. You don't know what you got till it's gone. That sounds like a rick and morty thing Hot mic vocals. It was a song by poison. I think No, no, no, no Cinderella Cinderella see that's one of the hair metal bands. I don't remember Uh, you wouldn't like it I think I'm right Montana so gangsta You don't know what you got till it's come. Yeah Montana. Yeah, that's a great Montana. So gangsta is one of my favorites. All right. I will I will vote it That's that's that's I'm voting on that right now. Oh crap. All right. It just moved. Okay. There we go Oh, that's hilarious. I didn't even catch that one So it looks like everyone's leaning toward that one Well, that's just it's the problem with smart fridges are dumb is that that's true But it's like it's not like I feel like someone would be like well, but we've been saying that for 15 years Which we have and it's not a retro show um I thought Chicago When you said don't know what you got until it's gone because of the song hard habit to break Which has that And I think that says a lot about all of us that I thought of Chicago and you thought of cinderella Listen, you know, it's just if there's if there's kind of a hairband like Let's just call me the hairband expert of 85 through 92 Now I got to look up the lyrics of that. Chicago's was did vixen count as a hairband. Sure Yeah, absolutely. I mean if I came in with a bag of cnh Sarah would say pour some sugar on me Yeah, but you know, I don't consider death leopard a hair metal band. They are they for sure they became one But they didn't they didn't they predate that like didn't they just change because no Well, no, I mean there were a few bands that started out in the 70s as hard rock and became hair bands later But I don't think death leopard was one of them. Well, but the thing the thing is is that they started in 77 The the hair band thing like implies that somehow the hair made the music different and it's like no That's more glam. That's glam Well, or it's sort of like it's the album that always has like the one or two love songs, you know Because everybody had to do that because it's always starts with a hard rock song Right. Yeah, so it's like third song was the hit Yeah Cinderella's don't know what you got was definitely a slow dance seventh grade type song, you know, which is why I remember Because all the girls remember looking at these cats and like, why did these cats want to dress like girls? I don't get it So I I skipped that whole it wasn't till like now I'm older I go back and start listening to some of some of these songs and yeah, yeah I was I was playing them on the radio Like I couldn't avoid them It was all run dmc It's actually called hair metal Hair metal hair metal. Yeah Well, uh, there's a special place in my heart. Um Special place in my heart. I only know nobody's full by Cinderella That's the only song That was their big that was their smash. That was the big one Well, if you were a girl in seventh grade it was doing what you got Because it was always about a boy that didn't like you and sent a note to your friend to tell you that What was he writing about that for? Who got from cinderella? He's he wrote that for you. He was right. Well, he was the guy No, no, I'm saying these songs are designed to like confused why you went to school with the guy from cinderella I just think it's a kind of a strange song for an adult man to write if it's about No, no, what I'm saying is they're pandering to young girls who want to hear love songs from hair metal bands It wasn't about sending a note That would be a funny song though. That would be that would be so specific. They had docket and did the sending note I can just see the guy from cinderella. She didn't get my note Oh So the title was Montana so good. Okay. Yeah, Montana. So gangster. Yeah, that's good. Yeah. Oh shoot. Oh, man Wow, that was a good laugh. I almost cried Sorry, you know, and I'm sure in about 20 years time, that'll be called golden loaties Well, yeah, it's a funny what what is an oldies song these days Roger, can I take over the blog post? Yeah, kind of. Yes. Oh, am I still I'm out of it? Okay, it's saying you're in it, but I kind of figured you weren't I wasn't just like I was No, no, I like I was in the post you misspelled my name too Oh chris ashley. I'm sorry. No, um, you misspelled my name Don't forget an extra tea. Yeah, you forgot the tea. It's calm like mine. I hope you didn't mess up my name I'm on him Well, the nice thing because I've I've often thought that too like what how does how do we do with the merit is just like I don't Two rs two ts. It's like there's no question Just It's it's two of everything. Yep that that you think they're Tom merit with a u tom t u m m e e r r i i t t Tom merit Merit Tom a merit M-m-merit Merit It's Tom it's Tom with two m's that's what my t-ball coach used to call me mert All right, my coach Wait, oh, is t-ball the one where they put the ball on top of the little? Yeah Yeah, instead of having a pitcher you you'd have a t All right, yeah Oh gosh, I used to hate when they'd make us play softball like they're not even really pe was more Well, I guess it was pe but it was like When when the kids were younger and it was just like the boys and girls everybody was playing I don't know if all everybody's school did that but my school did and it was like You know in fourth grade and I was really little and like I didn't want to play I wasn't gonna be good. I could never hit it You know, and you know, it would always be like strike one strike two and then I just like not swing the third time And they go good. I good. I the question And it was just like ah he did that Being forced to play team sports when you're no good at them Did everybody move up when it was your turn at bat? That's the ultimate. Yes because I hate that You know, it's like it's so rude I always felt bad. I was I was an athlete. So that Never happened to me, but I always felt bad when the person was up. They're like screwed up I'm like, oh geez that looks terrible. I know Oh Everyone just went to left field when I came up because that I was a singles hitter. That's that's where it went every time I Did you guys have the shirts that you that were reversible? Like you had to buy that for pe No, I had the reverse one side was yellow. The other side was blue Actually, yeah, I forgot about that. I had a white side and a blue side We didn't go to one of those ritzy schools It wasn't richy yet. You had to get two sided We had to bring our own clothes. Nothing ripsy about that school. Yeah, I mean I think you ripped off the arbs I don't even think the pe uniform I was wearing was like I think it was like someone wore it the year before Yeah, like I know I mean you oh gosh, but it was like it wasn't like a brand new Uniform I want to tell you guys this week and I did something that was so exciting for me And I guess the person involved too. I called my drama teacher from high school my theater teacher Yeah, just kind of out of the blue like he saw my mom at the school that she works at back in my hometown And he was like, oh, I want to know how she ends doing so I called him and I was like, hey um, just wanted to let you know like I do youtube now and it's because like you were You were always a huge proponent of my self-confidence and you gave me the chance to be you know Do acting in school and stuff and I want to great And he was so happy like you could just hear it in his voice He was just so like overjoyed to hear one of his previous students say like hey, you helped me You know get a career So it was just awesome. So if you guys ever have a chance call your old teachers call So many teachers Yeah, all my teachers are dead actually a handful of them passed away like when I was in college So it's like uh, I'm still friends with my soft soft more biology teacher I'm kidding. That was that was against my role making friends. Her name is nora I was never friends with them. It was just like my mom found his number in the phone book after she saw No, no, I was just saying like Len. It's like friend like I I was on friendly terms with teachers, but she never It's like it's there's like a line. It's like like I don't know. It's like a maybe a politician role You you'll make friends. You don't want to I'm facebook friends with my journalist teacher and she constantly likes my My really political messages She's like like and I'm like I didn't know that about you, but you're cool now Now I'm like we agree on things. Yeah, she used to be very She used to be very hard-handed with the red pen whenever she was correcting things Journalism teachers. Yeah, but she taught me a lot She didn't have a single teacher. I'm in contact with and that's kind of like not that I mean, it would be great. You know, I've had some really great teachers over the years. No. Yeah, it's just like That's just, you know, you don't feel like a student somehow, you know, like You feel kind of awkward because you had the the only time you really knew them was when at a point of deference, right? Yeah I I feel that I would still want to make a really good impression because somebody is An authority figure, um, you know And in some cases I'm gonna had some terrible teachers that I just would not friend if they asked but But the other ones don't I don't know. I don't know whether any of them are. In fact, I should look up some of my teachers I ran into my I ran into my music teacher from junior high. She was on the way to um jury duty And I asked like hey, are you mrs. Winners? But you remember me? I had the bow fight 1987 the middle of your classroom. No, you don't remember All right, we need to have that story another day Uh, oh, yeah, I should probably uh, tom needs to to jet. Yeah, I got a jet out of here. Unfortunately. This is really really fun I think I mean we're we've we've We've done our housekeeping, right? Yeah Yeah for any last things you guys want to say to the audience before I stop the broadcast Much love Thank you for watching the show see you Thanks everybody