 seems like the recording is taking a while. Yeah, it's ready. Okay, so yeah, so we were just talking about practical things. I said, like any ministry, the first and most important thing is why am I doing what I'm doing. So we ask ourselves that question, then other practical things would be to be prepared. Regularly, you could, you could be in prayer and meditation of God's Word, fasting, so that way it will strengthen us to minister. The next thing is to be confident. Okay, the reason is we have studied God's Word. We have understood that Christ has given authority to us as believers. So if we know it, we understand it, then no matter what the demons try to tell us, it will, it will not affect us. Okay, because you see demons, they have a tendency to cause fear. They have a tendency to intimidate people. So there can be comments like, who do you think you are? How many, how many demons have you faced? Or is anything, they might just say something which can shake us or they might say things like, we have been here for 20 years, you know, how you cannot evict us. So they also have a tendency to lie, you see, because they don't have any integrity. So that way, if anyone who is, who is engaging in ministering deliverance, if they are getting distracted, oh, the demon is saying this and the demon is saying that, then, you know, their confidence will be affected. So best thing is, we know that we have our authority. We should be strong in it. We should be strong in what God's Word says about us. We should be strong in what the cross of the Lord Jesus has done for us. And it's like, you listen to what the enemy is saying, but don't give it a thought. You just be like, okay, I'm going to ignore what Satan is saying, what these demons are saying. Okay, you've been there 20 years, that's okay. I have the authority, you know, I come to the name of Jesus and Jesus has conquered you 2000 years ago on the cross of Calvary. So we are adamant on the Word of God, no matter what the demons say, and they have a tendency. Okay, so be prepared. In case they try to intimidate us, but we talked about having the sense of anger against what the devil is doing, right? So a spiritual anger. Now, this spiritual anger, you need not show it in the natural emotions. Yes, sometimes we could be very firm in the way we command the devil. See, that is understood. That is understood that it's not a fleshly anger or a, you know, a fleshly, you know, kind of provoking that you feel provoked. It's not a fleshly thing. It's a spiritual thing. And it's a matter of the heart. So when it comes to deliverance, you know, again, there's a lot of misunderstanding, people think that we have to scream and shout and, you know, show that anger and only then you are effective in dealing with the demons, but not necessarily, you know, you could have great authority in the heart and in the spirit. And you might be firm in what you say, you might just say, you know, I cast you out in the name of Jesus, but you're not shouting. It still works because authority is flowing from the heart and not the loudness of my voice or the expression of my emotions. You know, that that's not the place from where the authority is flowing. Okay, so don't worry too much about, you know, being very, you know, appearing bold the way people will, the way people assess boldness. So you might not be shouting and screaming and yet you can cast out the demon. So we can remember that. And as far as possible, it is best to avoid shouting and screaming because, you know, it kind of disrupts the environment, isn't it anyway? So if you can use your authority in a more calm way, why not? But be firm, be firm when you come on, when you rebuke, rebuke, be firm in your tone, in your ministering of, you know, those words. So that is something we can keep in mind. Then avoid speaking in arrogance. Okay, so this also tends to happen. See, we are so confident in what Jesus has done for us, isn't it? So sometimes what happens, believers take it to the extreme. And, you know, they start arguing with the devil, they start arguing with the demons. Oh, what are you going to do? Oh, you're going to do that? Okay, do it, you know, it just becomes very unnecessary. So taunting, taunting is, you know, provoking, provoking the demons, challenging the evil spirits and saying, I'm not afraid of you. You can do whatever you want. Challenging the demons spirits. Being very arrogant. Okay, that is not what we see in the Bible. We don't see Jesus doing things like that. So please avoid, you know, such things. And it serves no purpose. What is our focus here? Our focus is God loves this person. God wants this person to be free from the destruction that demons bring. What, what does demon, you know, the kingdom of darkness do for people? Only destruction, the devil has come to steal, kill, destroy. The demons went into the pigs and what happened? You know, they went jumped into the water, they died. So the work of the enemy is just destruction, pure destruction. And we are concerned about that. Okay, if this individual is demon possessed, we want them to be set free. We want them to experience the abundant life in Christ Jesus. So that is the reason I am doing what I am doing in ministering, delivering. So where is the question of me getting distracted and challenging, taunting, you know, being rude to the demon spirits? Avoid all of that. Okay, so then what should I say? If I shouldn't be saying, you know, provoking things to the devil, what, what is it that I should say? See, when we face this situation and we are ministering deliverance, good thing to do will be to keep declaring the truth of God's word. Okay, because then it again builds more confidence in us. It builds more confidence in our team. It builds confidence in the listener, the person whom you are ministering to. And it will, it will weaken the hold of the devil. Because every time the devil hears the declaration of God's word that Jesus has won the victory on the cross, what's happening, his foundations are shaking, and he doesn't want to listen to it. You know, the way he told Jesus, you go away from here, that's what he will try to do to us. He'll say, no, stop, don't say all these things, because that is the truth that Satan does not want to listen to. So in a ministry time, when I'm there ministering to a person who is demon possessed, here are the things I say. I declare the Lordship of the Lord Jesus Christ. Then I declare the about the work of the cross. Okay, then I declare boldly the word of God over that individual. So, you know, I can, if that person is a believer, I can say, you know, you are blessed with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places. You are seated with Christ in the heavenly places. This is the truth of God's word. What has happened to this believer? Who he is in Christ Jesus, right? Or if the person is an unbeliever, you can, you know, just pour out the love of God on them. You know, Jesus died for you. God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son for you. So begin to proclaim God's word and God's truth in that situation. Okay, there are times, I don't know if you have observed, but there are times that in churches and in fellowships, people sing songs. Okay, so that's also a good thing because singing, we know that praise. Remember, we said praise is a weapon against the enemy. So we raise up praises to God and the kingdom of darkness starts to shape. So we can sing because singing, praising, worshiping God like Jehoshaphat, we saw that, isn't it? In the book of Chronicles, he went praising God, magnifying God and that confused the enemy and defeated the enemy. So the same way when we lift up praises, we can also sing and during this time of ministry, that will also weaken the hold of the devil on that child of God. And also, another thing about singing is that it is a declaration. You know, it is a declaration. Declaration is to put it out there and say, hey, this is it. Jesus has won the victory. You're making that statement. It is a settled statement, established statement. And you know, we sing that. We sing that, oh, Jesus has won the victory on the cross. So what's happening? Declarations are being spoken into the realm of the Spirit and Satan can't stand it. You know, his kingdom will begin to shake. So we can also sing. You know, we can sing about the cross. You know, the cross has the final word. There are so many songs, isn't it? That talk about the power of God, the blood of Jesus. We can sing about the victory of the blood of Jesus. There is power. There is power, wonderful power. So what is happening? We're not simply singing some songs, but the truth is being declared and that is a weapon against the enemy. So he is being destroyed by spiritual weapons and he has to leave the place. So that's what is happening when we are ministering. Deliverance. Now, something to avoid in what we are saying is, I think we have talked about it earlier. You know, sometimes people just use repetition, thinking that it will scare the devil. But sometimes it's because we are so sad that we just want to feel better. We say hallelujah, hallelujah, hallelujah. Praise the Lord, praise the Lord, praise the Lord. So sometimes we do that, but why are we doing that? If we are doing that with understanding that, yeah, I'm declaring when I say hallelujah, I'm truly declaring the power of the cross. It makes sense. But if I'm saying it like, okay, hallelujah, hallelujah, hallelujah, hallelujah, I'm just doing it to kind of fill up the time with something. I have to say something and it makes me feel better. I don't feel scared anymore. Then it doesn't make much of a difference to the devil also. Even the devil knows, oh, this person is very scared. So yeah, so just think what we are doing. Vain repetition will not help against the devil. Okay. Yeah, are you all okay? Is this good? I know it's more practical. So it'll be a little more engaging and interesting for all of you. Are you okay? Plus learning something? Okay, nice. Okay. So if you also have any thoughts, any experience, please feel free, you can always stop me in between. And you know, we will be happy to listen to what you have. For now, I'll just continue. So this is it. So some practical things to keep in mind. Okay, next is we definitely need the cooperation of the person whom we are ministering to. So if you recall, we said that the manifestation of, you know, the demonic oppression or demonic possession can be such that a person is manifesting sometimes, you know, like partially, but there can be like a full-time manifestation. So we saw about those men in gathering, right? I mean, Nikki read that, where we saw there were two fierce men. Just look at the reference again. Yeah, it was Matthew 8, where we saw two men who were so fierce that nobody even went that side. So that tells us that the individuals were probably completely taken over by the demon spirit. So people can come to a place of insanity. We call it insanity where there is no more control on the mental faculties. So let's say a person is in this situation, no more control on the mental, their decision making capacity. We go to minister to them. In that situation, we are fully in control. We are fully in charge and we tell the devil what to do. But let's say the mental faculty of a person is still functional. It is important to teach that person that their life will, that Jesus loves them, that he wants to set them free and they don't have to continue with the oppression of demons in their life. And so bring them to a place where they say, I want to be free. Or in other words, the will of the human being, where that person says, yes, I want to be free. That is very, very important. Otherwise, what happens is, see, we can do, especially when it comes to deliverance, we can do our part. We can cast out the demon. But if that person is not willing, one is the demon may not come out because that person is saying, no, you stay. So will of the person is very important. Our entire effort can be a failure because that person is not allowing, you know, the demon to come out. That is one thing. Now let's say, if at all the demon comes out. Now that person will not be willing to change their ways. So remember, we said that in Matthew 12, we saw how the spirits go. And if the house is not cleaned, and you know, if it's not put in order, then he comes back, that spirit comes back with seven other spirits more wicked than them. And the state of that person is worse than what it was earlier. So all these things are there. So which is why working with the individual, I remember once, one of you asked the question, you know, about a person and making that person experience freedom, teach God's word, talk to them, counsel them. That's also important. It doesn't work like, yeah, bring them, okay, cast the spirit. Okay, next, next, next. It's not as, you know, I know there are maybe some crusades or somewhere where you cannot talk to the people. But in general, you know, this whole ministry of deliverance, it has to involve the will of the person. If it does not involve the will of the person, it's like a job half done. Okay, so working with the person, they should come to a place where they say, okay, Pastor, pray for me. I want to be free. Then it'll work. Okay, and even after they are free, they will pursue a holy life that then, you know, they'll continue strong in the Lord. So the will of the person is very, very important. Then next is we would need to remove any objects. Okay, so why does it help? You know, sometimes when we are praying for people, we will observe that they might have some threads, certain color threads, or they might have a chain, they might have some rings, something, but those objects are in recognition of their commitment or their worship to a certain God or, you know, a certain spirit. Now, with that object on their body, when we try to minister deliverance, sometimes we will notice we're doing everything. It's almost like the spirit is coming out, but it's not coming out because what has happened is there is a dedication that has been made or there is a commitment that has been made with the spirit that, okay, with this object that this person now belongs to you. So, you know, some people like to use the term legal rights. So for the devil or the demons, they have a legal right. Now, we are saying we have the legal right. Jesus has won the victory on the cross, but what did we learn about Satan? What did we learn about demons? We said they trespass. Trespasses, here's the line. Don't cross the line. They will cross it. Okay, so they love to trespass. And, you know, for them to conveniently trespass, they need some open doors and things like this, you know, commitments, dedications and, you know, words that are spoken over people, things like that. You know, they all are an open door and Satan will nicely trespass, sit there and you're trying to evict, evict, evict, not coming out, not coming out because he'll say, Hey, look at the commitment. It's there. And they are wearing an object that, you know, it affirms the commitment. How can I go out? I can't go out because this person has given me permission. So many times when we are, when we are casting out demons, we have to be observant. Just observe, notice, if there are any open doors, open doors, sometimes you can pick it up, you know, externally, you can pick it up and say, Oh brother, can you tell me something more about, you know, these things that you are wearing? And they will tell, they'll say, Oh yeah, 10 years back, my mother had taken me to this place and we made this prayer. So then you can tell them, Hey, look, this is what is holding those demons back, you know, in you. Can we pray a prayer? Then you pray a prayer to revoke that commitment or that dedication, that offering. And then you also tell them, and best thing to do is, you don't remove, okay? Or we should not do that. Don't go and forcefully say that ring on your hand, that is the reason these demons are not leaving you. Come, I'll remove that ring. Now, in the name of Jesus, leave demon. See, also we live in a time where, you know, everything matters. Who knows somebody is observing you and they say, Oh, this person forced them to remove the dedication, break the dedication. Don't get into all that. Talk to the person and say, Are you willing? If you are willing, no force. This is what it is. You have a dedication with this in your life. I cannot, you know, command the demons to come out. But if you are willing, pray with me, we will break that dedication. And if you are willing, you get rid of this, this object. Okay? So then the person understands now, they are convinced and they themselves, you know, they remove the ring, or they cut the threads or they remove the chain or whatever they have. That is good. They have done it and nobody can blame you that Oh, forcefully, this pastor has removed, you know, commitment to that God or God as don't get into trouble. Okay? So in this manner, you know, objects, you get rid of objects. When it is easy to minister the deliverance, there's no trespassing that the enemy can do because that dedication is cancelled. Okay? So that's also something we can keep in mind. So when, you know, when, when we minister deliverance, right? That's when we have to be so sensitive to the spirit. Sometimes we just say and the spirit comes out and we are so excited, joyful. But there are other times where we wonder, okay, it's not happening. Why is it not happening? I'll come to that. There is a whole process which we can follow most step by step. We look at it. But now in general, I'm telling us so there can be situations like that also. And those times, we really need the guidance of the Holy Spirit to minister deliverance. Okay? Now, coming to the next practical aspect. Sometimes, you know, demons are very like they are stubborn. They want to do different things to stay. So they will try their best to, you know, not let go of the territory. So yeah, they'll try intimidation, but you speak God's word and you be confident or we should be confident in what the cross has done for us. So then I'm confident. You know, when I go before the whatever, you know, the manifesting person, the other thing that demons can do is they can try to distract us. Okay? So distraction, many different distractions can be there. They'll try to manifest like this, like that, you know, they'll do some. I remember once we have gone on most of my experiences are mission strips. So we went to this one place and there was a girl and she was the way she was manifesting was very strange. I had not seen it till that, you know, she was coming up with all these dance poses. And she was, you know, she would pose like this. And then again, she would change it to another dance pose. And then they would she would change it to another dance pose. And sometimes some of these poses are, you know, like, you're like, what is going on? But you see, that's the spirit working in her, trying to distract, but still, you know, at that time, I saw pastors were praying over, they were not getting distracted by all this dancing that she was doing. Yes, you know, they tried to stop it, but she was not stopping, but they continued to minister and not be distracted by the manifestation. Sometimes these demons will distract by, you know, do something unusual. So let's say the person is vegetarian. Okay. Suddenly, the demon will say, I'm so hungry. I want to eat some meat, bring me some meat. And all the family members are like, Oh, but this person is vegetarian. Or maybe he's, he's tired through this ministry time. Let us give him what he's asking. Don't get distracted. These are all tactics of the devil. So we have to be observant a come on. This person is vegetarian. How can he be asking for meat if he is in his conscious mind? So things like that. Sometimes demons will say, I want to drink alcohol, get me some alcohol, then I will come out. Or, you know, I want to drink water. I'm so thirsty. I want to drink some water. So observe. Is it really the person who is asking or is it the demon that is asking? So we have to discern. And if it is not the person and if it is more like the drama that the demon is creating, don't get into all that. You just like, Okay, I'll continue to pray. You know, we will minister to this individual. Okay, so they love to distract. And we must continue to be steadfast in what we are doing. Okay, then when it comes to talking to the demons, why should we talk? See, sometimes it is useful. Because let's say we are praying for somebody and that demon is not coming out. That time, we may ask, Who are you? And the person might, the demon might say, I am the, you know, I am the goddess. Simply I'm saying, Okay, I am the goddess of rain. Then you can ask, Okay, you know, when did you, when did you come into this person? The demon will tell you on that day when there was a prayer being offered to the, to the rain gods, this person came here and this happened, that happened. So, and you know, this person did this dedication and I entered into the prayer. So then what happens? You understood now. Okay, so there is a dedication. I have to break the dedication for this demon to come out. So that much conversation is enough. Sometimes when you ask the name of the demon, you will get a clue what to do. You know, where did this demon come from? So for the sake of ministry, it's okay to ask what is your name and, you know, some such things. But beyond that, to engage in a sort of a, you know, big conversation with demons and finding out the history, not helpful, because we also know that they lie. So how true is the things that they are saying? So yeah, so just bear that in mind. If it helps to identify origins and break strongholds, then yes, we can have some question answer going on between the demon and us. Okay, then learn to depend on the Holy Spirit. You see, sometimes and you know, this whole experience of casting out demons, it's like you really have to depend on the Holy Spirit. I've told us that there's no formula. We may have done it a certain way, you know, in our previous ministry time. But here is another ministry, you know, it manifests so different from the earlier one. So unless I'm relying on the Holy Spirit, I can't be successful. I can't be effective. Okay, so always rely on the Holy Spirit. Past experiences are good. But then discernment, discernment by the Spirit is so important. Also the gifts of the Spirit. Okay, so gifts of the Spirit, there's one gift known as discerning of spirits. I think I shared one example with all of us of a friend of mine who had that gift manifesting. So without much information externally, this friend was able to tell and see in the spiritual realm what is going on inside the spirit of that person. And you know, as we were issuing commands, we could affirm that, Hey, yeah, you're right, there's still a spirit inside. And the way the person was behaving, you know, some spirit of the snake and all. So there is a gift of the Holy Spirit as well, which we can rely on. Let's say that, you know, we've asked the questions, we've understood the origin, we have broken the dedication, we have removed the object, so much we have done, but still, you know, the, this demon spirit is not coming out. You can just say Holy Spirit, you know, or start to pray in the spirit, because that is one of the ways in which we are stirring up the gifts of the Spirit. You know, praying in tongues always helps. So you just take some time praying tongues. If you're as a team, you could just say, Okay, guys, let's pray, let's pray, begin to pray in the spirit. So what happens? You're stirring up the gifts of the spirit within you. And then some of the other gifts begin to manifest, discerning of spirits, word of wisdom, word of knowledge, you know, it begins to manifest. Maybe somebody in the team will say, Oh, I see this person, they had gone here, they had done this. So then you basically you're getting to the root of the problem, how to set this person free. That's the question that we are trying to answer here. So discerning of spirits depend on the Holy Spirit. Then don't let physical manifestations disturb you. I already mentioned all kinds of manifestations can be there. Like, you know, I told you, right, like I've seen somebody ride like a snake on the floor. And you're like, Oh, what is this? Why is this person behaving like this? But don't let that bother you. I've seen people just shaking and literally hitting themselves on the wall and on the furniture on the floor to the extent that they can injure. Somebody had to hold that person to not injure themselves. Okay. So all kinds of ways. And I just mentioned someone's dancing, or you might have somebody shrieking loudly, or sometimes people also say that, you know, appearance changes. Appearance changes. Maybe this is a lady, but suddenly the features start to appear like a man. Okay. A more sharper kind of features. The voice might change. You're talking to a lady, but the lady is talking in a man's voice. So many manifestations are there of demons and demon spirits. But this is all not to scare us. We know demons are like this. They want us to get scared. But the whole point is we will not give into this. So all this is just distraction tactics because they understand that here you are trying to set this person free. They don't want that. So they will do everything in their part to show their power. But don't let that distract. Sometimes people foam from their mouth. Sometimes so many things are there. You know, you all must have also seen so many ways in which demons begin to manifest. So yeah. Then also we can see because we're talking about manifestations, we should not have the misunderstanding that every demon possession will have a manifestation. Okay. Sometimes there may be no manifestation. But still, there is the influence of demons. And similarly, the casting out of demons, when the demon is cast out, we've seen in general, we've seen, right, that the spirit shook them, the person convels, they fell down with a shout, and the demon came out of that person. In general, we see that. But they can also take times when the spirits just leave quietly. So just know that they can leave quietly. So I remember in my one of our previous courses, there was a lady and she was concerned about her husband. And you know, she had something to say that okay, maybe he has influence of some demons, how to cast it out. But another thing was that they had just started attending church very regularly and learning God's words. What I told them is, you know what? First, you just continue in God's word, because he was not the kind who would come, you know, to church to get prayed over and on. So because of that, I said, okay, just continue in church, listen to God's word and free, you know, listen to God's word at home, have family prayer, encourage your family to read the word of God. What happens is, when we're just walking in obedience also, these strong holds, these bondages start breaking. Okay, and just very recently, I was talking to the same person again, and I was just saying, you know, like, how are things now? She said, Oh, my goodness, there is such a big change. And it's not just, you know, a change that comes only by the word of God and all, but she felt that there is a demonic presence. But also what happens is, you know, sometimes these demon, the strongholds just break and demons leave. And we don't even know so many people come to church, they're being set free. They're being set free, maybe in that service, or, you know, as they attend a couple of services, God's word is being preached over their lives, strongholds are being broken. Now, as we pray prayers, as we command, you know, the work of the spirit, we may not realize, but deliverances are taking place even in that manner. So don't always think that, Oh, there is no manifestation. So nothing happened. No, there may not be a manifestation. Okay, but you could look at the life of the individual also to tell that, yeah, you know, something has taken place here. Yeah. And when we talk about manifestation, also remember that some manifestation can be because of the work of the spirit. I don't know if you have heard this, but when we are praying for people, they say things like, Oh, I can feel the fire. Don't put the fire on me. It is burning. It is burning. So you see, for a, for a person who is ministering, we have to be very alert. And is this the demon spirit manifesting? Is this what is, what is this person talking about fire, burning, go away from me? It could be the Holy Spirit. Right? So which spirit is this? I need discernment. So be very observant, observe the person, observe the behavior, observe the words, and most importantly, depend on the Holy Spirit guidance, okay, in our hearts. So that's how we will differentiate. We should not confuse the two demonic and Holy Spirit don't confuse the two. Then sometimes it's also that, you know, in our Christian circle, it can get very confusing because people, we call it conditioned response, conditioned responses. You know, in a free church service, when people are seeing, Oh, everyone is shaking, everyone is moving like this, they are, you know, saying these words, people subconsciously pick up those actions. So each time we pray for them, they might shake. Now, why are they shaking? Are they shaking because, you know, there is a demon spirit? Are they shaking because they are filled with the Holy Spirit? Or are they shaking because they are shaking? There's no spirit involvement here. It's just a conditional response. That's how they, they pray each time. Okay, so we need discernment. We need discernment and we need to figure out why is this happening and then address it accordingly. Right? Okay, so I think that is also quite clear. Yeah, so just figure out whether it's really a demon spirit. Then when it comes to ministering deliverance, you know, there are times when all the experiences of Jesus are like that, you know, come out and the demon comes out. So is that our standard? Yes, we have to aim for it. The moment I say come out, let it come out. That's it. But you see that in practice, because we are also learning, right? We're learning to, to release the authority of God, we are learning to manifest the power of God. We don't seem to get it in the first step. But that's okay. That's okay, because we, it's just getting better and better. Okay, so don't, don't let that discourage, we shouldn't let that discourage us. But we keep going, we keep going ministering and sometimes you notice that, you know, demon spirits are so stubborn, that maybe you have ministered today, you planned, okay, today is Friday, I'm going to go two hours pray for this brother with my team. And it's going to be fine. Two hours you prayed, you did everything, whatever I'm discussing, thing is working. So you say, okay, what? Okay, fine, I'm going to come tomorrow. Maybe you went next day and prayed nothing happened. You know, there are times when people minister for a week, two weeks, you know, a very extended long period of time to an individual, because you know, these spirits also can be very stubborn. But from our side, we are very clear, we want this person to be free, we want the person to be free as quickly as possible. You don't take too much time. That's not what we're saying. But it can happen that it takes a while to help someone be free. Okay, so don't get discouraged. Don't quit. It's easy for people to get discouraged. I'm praying, but God's power is not being released through my life. Okay, leave it. This doesn't work. I took the course in believers, authority, demonology. I think what what I it's not happening, right? It's not manifesting in my life. Don't think like that, because you see, we are, as I'm saying again and again, we are learning. And we have to take the steps. And as we keep trusting God, as we keep exercising our faith, as we keep depending on the Holy Spirit, it gets, you know, clearer and stronger and better. And even if the spirit is a stubborn spirit, we say, okay, I'm not going to quit. God's word doesn't change, isn't it? And Jesus did it in one step. Maybe that is something that I'm not able to figure out. Or we just need to pray some more. Or we just need to fast some more, whatever it is, we are willing to do it. This brother or this system needs to be set free. So that is the attitude and the approach which we can carry. Don't give up. Don't give up. Okay. And demons have a tendency to be very stubborn. Yes. Next, as whenever possible, it is good to work as a team. Okay, so if someone tells you like I know Nikki is now serving in a church, John also will be serving in a church. So some of you know, Zellie and that that team. So it's good for you to gather some leaders or believers and then go minister as far as possible, try to do it like that, do it as a team. But let's say, you know, you're far away, nobody's there. Then, okay, understood, you have to minister alone, well and good. But try to work as a team as far as possible, because then what's happening? You're all praying together. You know, you can all pray in the spirit together. Then you can all depend on the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit, you know, in a team setting, maybe he reveals something to one person, reveal something to another person. So it works so beautifully. You know, all of you singing together, declaring God's word together, it really helps. And another thing in a team setting is, it's good to have a leader. Okay, for that ministry session. Reason being, all of us can get very excited. So someone will say, come, let's declare God's word. Another will say, no, no, no, let's command, you know, come out in Jesus name, or you know, somebody else will say, hey, no, no, let's find out whether there is a dedication. So then what happens? A lot of confusion takes place. So the focus for the ministry will be affected. So instead of that, what we can do is we can say, okay, I'm just taking some plain example, okay, Nikki is going with his team. So Nikki is going to lead. So then what happens? Nikki will tell us what to do. Okay, team, let us first pray together. Everyone's praying together. And then he says, okay, now we are going to take authority. And I'm going to command the demon spirit to come out. And then you can just tell your team, please keep praying in the spirit. So then you take authority, I take authority in Jesus name, I command you to come out. So everyone is flowing the way the leader is flowing. So then when there is unity, there is more power. So it's good to have a team, but the team best to have a leader and everyone listens to the leader. Otherwise, as it is we're trying to figure out how to get this demon out, there'll be more chaos and confusion. If people start moving in their fleshly zeal, sometimes there is a fleshly zeal, like, oh, I should be noticed. And I should be the one who is issuing the command or I should be the one telling them what is the core issue in this situation. So that fleshly zeal becomes problematic. So to train the team also in such a way, maybe once or twice when we take our teams with us, we just show them how it's done and we just instruct them and say, okay, guys, now please pray or let's all sing together or this then we stop and we ask them, are you sensing anything? Is there something you want to share? What is Holy Spirit telling you? So then when you guide the team in a proper way and everyone is flowing together, it becomes so powerful, very, very powerful. So unity of the team also is so important. So we can keep that in mind. So submission to the leader. Let's put it that way very clearly. The team should submit to the leader. Then only it is effective. Otherwise, Satan can find loopholes and make it problematic for us. All right. So now coming back to post-deliverance. So in post-deliverance, as I've been saying, there needs to be equipping of that person. So we'll always see, okay, is this person believer? If not, teach them about God, help them to accept Christ. If not, or let's say if the person's already a believer, then you know some sessions where you try to guide them. Why is it important to live a sinless life? Keep the doors shut to the devil. So we call it post-deliverance care. So where we equip the person and strengthen the person, then we might say, okay, brother, you better, I know this church. There is a very good church here. You know that pastor, they teach the word of God. Why don't you start attending that church? So then the person will be strengthened in their spirit man. They will be filled with the Holy Spirit. Remember Matthew 12 versus 43 to 45 where the demons go and then they come back once again to attack the same person. So when that happens, they will find that the place is clean. And so the person can continue strong. But in incidents where somebody has been set free and they were not at all ministered to after the deliverance, there is a possibility for a, we call it relapse in medical terms and all. So once again, calling back into sin and opening the door to demon spirits. So all these things can be avoided if there is post-deliverance care. Yeah. And in post-deliverance care, mainly we will guide them on salvation, being filled with the Holy Spirit. We will guide them on maybe some sins in the person's life. They might want to open that up to us and share. So then at that time, we can tell them, look, it is because of this that demons are coming. So, you know, how about we pray to shut the door and how can sometimes people might need more help, you know, counseling, prayer, regular prayer, so much. So we offer all that to strengthen them and get rid of, you know, Beelzebub is like the Lord of the flies. Why do flies come? We've discussed that. When does garbage flies come? How to avoid the flies from coming? Get rid of the garbage. So we don't want to deep into the bag. Get rid of sin. Close the door. No problem anymore. So, you know, things like that. So, people need to be equipped, educated, ministered too. We have to work with them to strengthen them so that they can be strong believers. Okay. So, let me just stop here. We have other sections here on the one-step approach deliverance, process approach, deliverance. We will take this up in the next class and then there's a little bit about strategic level warfare. Excuse me. Sorry about that. Yeah. So, for today, I hope, you know, we've gained some insights. We can wrap up with a word of prayer if there are no questions. Okay. So, let's just pray then. I request anyone who can please go ahead pray. Okay. Maybe, Zellie? Zellie, can you please pray? Okay. Let us pray. Father God, we want to thank you so much for this wonderful session that we had. Lord, we want to thank you for the truth which has been taught to us by a pastor, Lord, about our authority. Lord God, Holy Spirit, we continue on to lead us, guide us and also teach us, Lord, as we exercise this authority in the ministry. Lord, you help us, Lord. We bless each one of us, Lord. We thank you. We bless you, Lord, in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. Amen. Thank you. Thank you, Zellie. Thank you, everyone. And next class is also going to be very practical. So, I encourage you, if you can come with questions, that'll be very nice. Okay. So, we can look at real-life scenarios. So, anyway. Yeah, God bless you. Have a wonderful day, a great weekend. We'll connect again next Friday. Bye for now.