 and I have Lucia Young with me today. She's over there in Great Britain and she has had a lot of interesting experiences, probably most of your life, but even in the last two or three years, I think there've been some very strong and intuitive feelings drawing you in a direction in your experience that you didn't really see coming like a lot of us. It's just kind of an ever-opening, ever unfolding. So thank you so much for coming on with me to do this live stream. Oh, yeah, thank you. Yeah, I guess I'll start from the beginning. Yeah, from a really young age, I had this reoccurring moment of oneness, I guess I call it, where I just saw, and it was more of a feeling where I just had these glimpses that were quite out of time and I couldn't really explain it and I'd talk to people about it and they'd just be like, I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know what you're talking about. And I just felt like it was, there was always something else. There was always just something else to head towards. And I think what I did is I thought, oh, okay, I can find that in my career in acting because it's the flow of acting. It's the flow of being on stage and you do get those moments when you are lifted up on stage, but they were very far and few between. I didn't have that very much because I had a lot of anxiety actually going on stage and a lot of people pleasing, a lot of trying to impress. And yeah, and very recently, the course came into my life and I just felt this big opening where I just, it gave me a different meaning to my life whereas before I was trying to head towards this career, I was getting really far with the career, I was getting an agent, I was getting jobs, I was getting good auditions for the first time. And that's what I thought for a really long time is what I wanted. I wanted all of these things and they were for the first time coming in to my life. But I just felt like, no, this isn't the direction or it's not how it's not going to make me happy. I sort of saw my life flash before my eyes actually. And I was like, if I actually head in this direction, in this way, I know where it's going to end up. Like it's not, it was making me feel sick. It was, it was, I was coming off stage and while I was backstage thinking, oh, I'm not going on, I'm not going on. Backstage is just be like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna leg it. Like I'm gonna, I can't handle this. And I was doing all the course work as well and feeling all these nerves and feeling that the course talks about it being very acute at times because it's so become aware of the smallest, like the smallest feeling of being uncomfortable or in pain, even to, you know, nerves, which I thought nerves were very usual. And suddenly they're not. It was just so overwhelming being backstage and just shaking there. Luckily, the last show that I did was, it went fine, luckily, only just got through it. And yeah, and then I just, I told my agent, which I've recently got, that I was not going to pursue it anymore. And they were like, why, why, why? And I couldn't explain it, I couldn't explain why. And then I think everybody around me was just saying, what are you gonna do? And I just said, I don't know, I don't know. But I knew with the course that I had a new meaning. I had a direction, I had a manual for where I was gonna, I was gonna head. It was very comforting. And you, David, as well, listening to your teachings for two years just has just been my lifeline. And it's just, and I use Speery as well. Speery's been so great for me. And yeah, and now, really recently, there's just been this huge speed up of things that's happening. There's white feathers in my garden. I saw that post on Facebook, white feathers, deciding that means something's coming. Yeah, like divine grace and peace, because I was praying as well as about fear and just sort of the fear of really letting go, the fear of love. And it's getting less and less and less and it's getting more and more joyful. And I feel like all of these sort of symbols are coming in and then you rang and I was just like, wow. This is so, it's so lovely and it's so not what I ever thought could happen. Yeah. Yeah, I like that part. And of course, the miracles where Jesus is saying, it's really not difficult, but it is very, very different. And I think that's because the ego has kind of set plans for us in the world. And even when we're children, what do you wanna be when you grow up? And we're kind of primed with these questions to be looking to the future. Sometimes I guess in childhood, even to the distant future. And then I went through similar things when I was in university. I kept questioning and questioning, what do I really wanna do? When I was in high school, my mother sent me on some of, she taught at the same high school where I went. So she was talking to guidance counselors and saying, oh, my son, he's very bright, but he's very shy. And he just doesn't know what he wants to do with his life. So could you send him off on an adventure for this, engineer for a day or rotary club? And so I had guidance counselors send to me off on trips. And by the time I graduated from high school, I was still clearly, I just, I couldn't really put it into words. I said, I don't know. Nothing really looks that appealing, but then I spent 10 years in university under grad and grad just exploring, talking to people, meeting people from around the world, asking them a lot of questions. What do you find purposeful? What do you find meaningful? And it took me 10 more years of questioning before a course of miracles kind of dropped in my lap. And then suddenly things started to move very swiftly in a wonderful way, meeting people and doors opening, but not in any kind of direction that I had planned or that I could even imagine. I couldn't even imagine the things that have happened. I feel like I had no clue what was there. So I think you're kind of at that point too, where I guess it's been, how long has it been since you kind of stepped away from acting? How long has it been? I think around a year and a half now. Yeah, around a year and a half. And I still pray, I still go, oh, spirit, use my abilities, use my acting abilities for the good of the whole. Like I love Shakespeare so much. And I read a lot of Shakespeare and his speeches and stuff and it's so alongside the course, they're just, yeah, they're just brilliant. So I'm hoping one day maybe I'll be used in that way and then it's just a whole different way of using your skills, isn't it? It's just a whole, there's no element, it'd be all giving. So there'd be no element of trying to make something of myself, which is just so painful. It's just so painful and not joyful. It's just, yeah, so hopefully that will come into my life at some point, yeah. Yeah, I did, this past year I did a movie, more of a modern day Shakespeare movie, which I did on one of my Saturday movie workshops. And it was in his life after the theater had, his theater had burned down going back to his wife and his daughters and basically facing a lot of things that he wrote about and he put in his plays and his sonnets and everything, but he had to really face them in a kind of a real concise period of time. And I just thought it was masterful. And so when I go in to do a Shakespeare movie or I do something on Albert Einstein or whatever, I really plunge into the spirit, how it poured through him. And then that's just amazing. That's like the primer. And performing Shakespeare feels that way. It feels so inspired. You don't even have to sort of do anything. It's like that when I used to study at a drama school, it felt so effortless because you'd just be reading and you know, I didn't know why at the time actually. I was like, why is it so easy? Why is it so easy to speak his words and perform his words and just to lose myself? Like I didn't even have any sort of thoughts about how I'm doing or because it was so joyful. And it's because his words are spirit-led. They are just so inspired. And they're just so, yeah, they're just so much fun. And now I know. Now I know why. Yeah. So yeah, yeah. And that's why, yeah. I was saying, you know how you say you have these skills now, you have acting skills and you probably have done things. I think I remember readings about audio skills or video skills. And so it's really, it's tied in. Theater is the medium. Using the voice, using the acting and the body in that way, you're talking about it kind of if there are even actors and actresses watching, they're like, wow, I love that feeling of like you just jump right in with Shakespeare and it's almost effortless because it's something's coming through you that you really value and you really resonate with. Yeah, yeah. And from a really young age as I used to go and watch it at the Globe Theater, who used to stand in the ground called the Groundlings. Yeah. And yeah, I just look up at the actors and just think, wow, this is hitting a really deep place, you know, it's really. And I use theater as well as like, you know, I'd say to Jesus, like you do with films, like show me what you want me to see in this show, like show me what you want me to learn or inspire me. And yeah, it's just lovely. Yeah. So I really hope I get to do it again, actually. Read all the plays again and everything and use them in a way that's gonna help release the ego release the ego ideas and concepts. And yeah. I can inspire it away. Like that's what I see my time with the course has been is I've just seen all these people that have kind of shown up with this great desire to let the spirit use them in some way that brings a blessing to the whole universe. I mentioned some years ago, we would do pretty much every year this, I'm at this Course in Miracles Monastery out here in rural Utah and we have a campground, we build a stage and we set thing, we did it like a festival and musicians and singers came from all over and then we thought, wow, it's an amazing music festival. We call it Strawberry Fields Forever, kind of like the Beatles, Strawberry Fields Forever. Nothing is real. Nothing to get hung about. We just got into the joy of that. And then we said, well, let's do a music festival and enlightenment festival and movie festival. So we started showing movies and every year we would do these. But the people that showed up, they showed up from Europe, from Australia, from China, from Japan, from all over the place in this synergy of let's have some fun together and do collaborations and let's undo the ego together. Let's have some fun with it. And then one year, I mentioned to you earlier, a friend from Belgium, she completely made it to New York City and she was just starting her career as a Broadway singer. And she came instead to Strawberry Fields Forever festival and then never looked back and never went back to her career. Another woman said, oh, I would love to come and participate. And we said, okay, where are you coming from? India. What are you doing in India? Well, I'm coming across your teachings, David, and the great Nanduul traditions. And she studied Meher Baba and followed. He's the enlightened master with the big handlebar mustache, if you ever see him. And she said, I wanna come. I said, well, what do you do? She said, oh, I was an actress and actually a pretty famous Bollywood actress. I've been in many, many, I've had a whole career with Bollywood and with all kinds of things. She came over, she was going around with the microphone, interviewing people, very comfortable in front of a camera. So she was interviewing people at the festival. And then in the end, the biggest book that I have, which is called, Unwind Your Mind Back to God. It's actually three books in one. It's kind of a compilation of all the work I did with students back in the 1990s on how to trace things back from issues in the world like financial issues, relationship issues, sickness issues and symptoms. How do you get them back to a point of thought and belief where you can let it go and choose a miracle instead? So she said, oh, what I really would like to do would be record and do an audio book of Unwind Your Mind Back to God with her kind of Indian sounding, Indian British sounding accent. And I said, that's the largest book that I have. That's like three books in one. So she recorded the entire book chapter by chapter by chapter, section by section, the whole thing. And I have it on a SoundCloud account where I just have Unwind Your Mind and people go in there and they listen to her voice speaking the words that came through me actually many years ago, back in the like 1990s when I was working with the students. So I find that our skills and abilities do get used. It's not just that we go in a cave somewhere necessarily and meditate and leave everything behind. It's actually the spirit seems to want to use our skills in a way that brings joy, that brings happiness and maybe doesn't even feel like we're working. That's even the best, like we're just having some fun. It's funny you mentioned that because I was gonna record one of your books as well David. I just felt really inspired and I have recording equipment. So I thought, oh, do you know what? I just feel really inspired to just record it and just for my own mind is just such an amazing way to just fall back into the flow of it and have it go deeper and deeper and deeper into the mind. So, oh yeah, I was gonna message Linda and just say, I've done this book. And he's one of your, yeah, one of your best. But I had in mind too, when I heard that you had some skills in that area, I thought, hmm, we were just starting to, this Tarana thing, this beautiful actress had recorded the largest book. And then another friend of mine, Emily, who's married to Jason, who's here and she's over there at a family reunion at Ireland right now, but she's a trained opera singer. So she's been trained in Italy and Ireland and she left her opera career to dive into this and she's been in our community. And the first time I talked to her, I said, why don't you come and sing at the Strawberry Music Festival? So she had this booming opera voice that kind of echoed throughout the whole canyon when she finally got out there and sang. But she felt recently that she said, I wanna record one of David's books, but it's brand new for me. She'd never ever done anything like that. So she picked the smallest one. It was a little pamphlet called Purpose is the Only Choice. And she said, I'm gonna try this one out. So she did that one. So yeah, there's lots to pick from. We'll definitely talk to Linda and Susan and some of the people that are working with that area right now. Maybe that could be, if you come to Mexico, maybe that could be one of the things you set aside a little time during the day to have a quiet place and record away. Yeah, yeah, I would totally, totally love that. That'd be lovely. So when you've gone for this now, I've seen you on some of the online events, just linking in that way. So you watched a lot of the videos and checked out some things that way, but it sounds like for the last year and a half, you've just given yourself permission to kind of move away from a very busy life in London to move back with your parents and then just take that time to really follow your heart. Read the books you wanna read, watch the things you wanna watch. And I know you said with the course, you could go a couple hours with the course before you fall asleep, but then you would just listen to me. Yeah, I think I needed a change up of medium. I'd do a couple of hours and then maybe watch a film with a commentary or watch one of your YouTube videos or listen to Gary Renard's books as well. But yeah, I was very busy and I just felt like I wasn't giving myself any time to just relax and sit and really follow my intuition and follow what I really wanted in my heart. And when I, yeah, kind of the last year that I had in London, I actually got a really great job in a, well, let's say quit acting. I still had to pay, but I still had to be paying rent and I had some debts to pay as well. And so I said to spirit, just give me a job that's really chilled out and that I can just sort of sit and listen to stuff or read. And that's exactly what I got. I just got this little job that was 10 minutes down the road in a shop that had a, that no one came in. I don't know how they stayed alive, but they did. No one came in and it had a little sofa in the back. So I just go and sit and read and listen to stuff and cry and cry on the floor and just let myself sort of go, like feel everything. And luckily I just had the space to do that. And then some customer would walk in and I'd have to like... The rare customer, oh, you. I had to like hide my tears. And yeah. And so that was for like a year. So I feel like a lot of healing has happened in that time. And then it's kind of just gone to the next step where I'm not working at all. And I'm volunteering with the social media team because I want to keep my days sort of doing something towards giving and seeing now that that is the next step is just to give. So I don't, it's like one of your videos, fight the ego or be used by the spirit. And I think for a while I've been fighting the ego, like a lot of guilt, you know, I do this and that and all these thoughts, you know, these negative thoughts shouldn't be there or these attack thoughts. Oh my gosh, I'm terrible. I'm terrible. And then you just all into this pit of despair. And it was Ken actually who said to me, you need to start giving now. It's time to give, give, give, give. And I was like, of course, of course, like giving and receiving are the same. So it's time to give now. Yeah, yeah. And that's what's made me apply to come to community because I just would like to spend my days, you know, giving in that way and the ego can just burn out. Yeah, yeah. And they just sizzle out, sizzle out, fade away. Well, I'm so glad you're mentioning that because when we think of generosity and we think of giving, you know, we don't always take that all the way back to God, like God only gives, like the sun just shines and God just gives. And then we have this very strange belief, ego belief called reciprocity, which can sometimes seem to involve giving to get. It's like an exchange principle, which is what careers are about and everything. Even though we have people like Saint Francis who seem to be quite simple and quite loving and would just be very prayerful and loving and be in that giving mode. And even his prayers, Lord, make me an instrument of Thy peace. And everything that came from him was like Shakespeare. It was very, very beautiful. And for us to start to accept that giving like God gives can be very natural. That is our, we were created as a gift and spirit and we can give. And even for a period of what seems to be time, we can still use the time for giving, focus our time on the giving. It seems to take a lot of trust. People would say, well, you have to have a lot of faith and trust because where are you gonna get what you need? And then the faith comes in where, well, maybe if I just give and give and give that everything will be provided. That's what Jesus was teaching us. Look at the lilies of the field. They neither spin nor toil and look how they're provided even greater than Solomon. All these beautiful metaphors and symbols throughout history, Saint Francis and Mother Teresa and many mystics and saints seem to have this radiance and this glee and joy and things seem to work out. Mother Teresa needed plane tickets to get around between India and other countries and they seem to be there. And so they didn't really adhere to this reciprocity idea. They really trusted that if they served God and tried to give like God gives that everything would just work out. So to me, those are the kind of things that go on. I mean, I know that you had, yeah, sent in an application and I think maybe it was, maybe yesterday or something, Lisa sent me the application and went, oh, hi, Lucía, yes, I don't, yes, Lucía, what a beautiful heart. And then she sends me the application and then this morning she just sent me a little video saying that you had done and I just thought, oh, how delightful, how absolutely delightful. And then they always asked me, they say, well, what about being part of like internship program or this or that or scholarship and everything? And I'm like, yeah, it's all based on the giving. When we have the desire to give then the things just click and flow and fall into place. Really, I think effortlessly when we just go for the highest calling, what's the deeper feeling in our heart than everything else just clicks and flows. What an amazing journey it is. Yeah, and I think with the giving, it's like you said the ego comes in with reciprocity or what is it gonna take? How much is gonna be asked of me or how much is gonna be taken from me? I think I've always lived with that feeling. But then the course talks about it being giving out of self-interest and then it becomes fun because it's like, oh wow, it's giving out of self-interest and it's just the swell that happens in your heart every time you do it. It's like, I never knew it could be that way. I never knew it could be so, so joyful. And then I'm getting all the reflections back of that same thing even with my family at the moment. It's just like, I always thought I was sort of trapped in this kind of fight between giving but also following my intuition of what I want to do but also what someone else wants me to do. And that always felt like a, like butting heads. It's like, oh, but I don't wanna, but there's another way. There's another way, which is the middle way of giving, which the ego doesn't tell you about. It just tells you there's only two ways and they're both fearful and they're both kind of like separating. They separate us from each other and from God. And it's like, no, there is another way, there really is. And I'm so grateful, like I'm just so grateful to like, oh my gosh, find this other way, you know? It's just like, oh, thank God. Yeah. Thank God. Yeah, it seems to have to get our attention because we're used to, some people when we're growing up, they say, well, you have to get all that you can get and then because you're gonna die anyway, so you might as well get while the getting's good. While you have life, why don't you use it for getting and then there's the giving to get. Like, well, of course everybody has to compromise and you can't do everything that you love and you know, the worlds and the ego is telling us, you know, oh, of course you're gonna have to compromise but you do it so you can get what you need and you can give some but just make sure you get what you need. And then now I found in my life when I just kind of prayed and focused on the giving aspect, like that giving feeling in my heart wanting to be just give and be generous that everything flowed so effortlessly and I didn't really have to think about the getting at all because there was only a grievance with getting or there was only an expectation, you know, like, oh, I should have received this or I should get this and I thought, yeah, I think I would rather live without expectations just to be in giving mode because I'm happy when I'm giving and then I can kind of actually trust I willing to take steps that I in the past I might have questioned or analyzed or doubted I'm willing to take those steps and then everything works out beautifully. So it's like a whole different mode of being is what it seems like. Yeah, and like keeping the metaphysics of the course that's always helpful, like knowing the truth behind it is just that change of mind that giving and receiving are the same. Otherwise, if I forget that I can fall into a little bit of feeling, you know put upon or whatever but if I keep the metaphysics of the truth in mind and it just becomes more and more natural. Yeah, yeah. How beautiful, how beautiful to follow your heart like that and go for it and then and let things show up. I think too, when people feel like they want to give and they want to really follow their heart but there's just these unconscious expectations maybe it's expectations around parents or family or around a boyfriend or girlfriend or husband wife or sometimes people have expectations even around spiritual community. I always think I'm in community with everyone. So I'd ever draw a ring like I'm in with the chipmunks and the rabbits, I'm in just as much community with them as I am with the people or with anyone in society. And I think that's kind of important. I remember I was watching maybe last week I saw a video on the internet and it was of a woman who was a singer. She had a beautiful voice and she just loved to sing and then she got an invitation from a man named Sid Arthur who said, oh, I would love to come would you come to where I'm living and would you sing? I would love to play the guitar and I would like to sing with you. And she's like, well, I don't know, I have to pray about that but it turned out he was in Muji's community and she was being invited into Muji's community to use her singing voice. Well, as soon as she found out it was a community she said, well, now I really have to pause I didn't see myself like in a community and then she thought, well, and I don't even want to be in another relationship. She said, oh, they're so sticky and messy but here's a guy inviting me. So she goes over, she meets Sid Arthur she starts singing in the satsongs and everything and she starts to just feel her heart opens up and she just gets happier and happier and happier and then she gets married to Sid Arthur. That's where she is right now. She's actually part of the community and she just sings at the satsongs and is practicing a life of devotion and a life of giving which is so different from all of her career ideas and whatever she had planned for her life. And she was just bubbling though. She said, I didn't plan to go to the community I didn't plan to get married to this guy Sid Arthur but it just kind of unfolded in a way that she felt her heart opened up and she said, I feel more connected and more open-minded than I've ever felt in my whole life but I don't even know how I got here. I mean, one minute I was just thinking and trying to solve all these issues in my mind and the next minute I'm married and I'm in this community and I'm getting to sing for joy not as a kind of like a career. So it's kind of an interesting movement of things. Yeah. Yeah, and I felt when as I've got more and more joyful the reflections of my relationship with my boyfriend or my parents are just yeses now. They're just kind of like, I want to go to spiritual community. Okay, great. My boyfriend said that I just want you to be happy. I just, you go, you go. And it was just so, so nice. And earlier I was listening to your video on it's all a perceptual problem. It's all a perceptual problem. All of it is just a perceptual problem. And it's kind of for the first time today actually is really starting to sink in now. Really starting to sink in that there aren't any problems. It is just perceptual problem. And I felt in my heart that everyone was with me. I just felt so like, everyone's with me anyway. So it's like, all of these worry thoughts about what my boyfriend would think or what my parents would think or all of this is just, they just went away because it was just like, oh, we're there together anyway. And it was just such a nice, nice feeling. And then yeah, and then all these white feathers. That's the latest symbol. White feathers in your garden. Yeah, but definitely over the last two years it's been like a big thing of all of these worry thoughts, all of these thoughts around what people are gonna think. And I had a lot of reflections of those doubt thoughts. I had thoughts, is it a cult from my parents? They call things and stuff like that. And yeah, and just slowly over time it's just got less and less as my thoughts, as my doubt thoughts have got less and less. They have been reflected to me less and less. And it's just been so amazing, so amazing. Yeah, and if there's no brainer, isn't it? It's just like, you just follow your joy and that's just there. Yeah, they're beautiful though. You had some people that were very close to you that were giving you a big yes, like go for it. I want you to be happy. For some people it does go that way and they feel like, oh my gosh, now this is so perfect to have these beautiful positive reflections and other people have maybe left situations or things where they felt it was incomplete or unresolved or something. And I think that's pretty common for people in the world although for people who read the course and they start to like really immerse their mind like hours and hours a day, something starts to happen internally where we start to build our faith and our trust that things are gonna work out just beautifully and it kind of starts to wash away a lot of the fear and the doubt thoughts because many of us were raised to be very analytical and to have what they call be very critical thinking. It sounds kind of funny. Critical thinking sounds very serious but I think it just meant like explore and investigate. And I think when you really do feel called by spirit, of course you explore and investigate things. You're drawn to things. Certain things resonate with you and you immerse yourself in them. That's what happened to me with the course. I just kept immersing, immersing for like eight hours a day, not really knowing where I would be guided to go or what I would be guided to do but after a while it didn't really seem to much matter. I just became more content to just listen and follow in the moment and take it in small pieces like little bites and the trust seemed to grow stronger when I did that than me sitting around trying to plan five years or 10 years into the future. That just seemed like very difficult for me to go that far into the future. Yeah and I've always felt just, you just wanna be at peace. You just wanna feel peace and happy and joyful and that's the prime goal. That's the prime, this is what it's heading towards and the ego is not that, the ego is just pain. That's the experience that it's been for me. Like I've been through a hell of a time really and like all the course came into my life. I went into a clinic for a little bit. I was very depressed and I had bulimia and I was very, very down and I actually had a moment where I was just like, I'm not here, like I'm not here. Like I'm somewhere else and not in a good way. Like I'm somewhere else or I want to be somewhere else. This can't be it. There was somewhere in my mind that was like, this can not be it, this is like, yeah, there's something else and yeah. So I think it's always just been, it's always the experience just going for the experience of going for the experience of peace of mind and yeah. What else, where else can I, can you go? Where else can you, other than really wanting happiness and really just heading towards that in whatever way you can and in those really small steps as well, like being gentle with yourself. Definitely I've learned that, be gentle. I think right at the beginning I was hammering at home a bit too much. So I was kind of forcing it down myself and forcing it down other people as well. What a great way. And I got reflections of no, leave me alone. I don't want to do the course. That's what my dad said. He said, I love what you're saying, but I'm not doing the course, I'm not doing, you know. But now, now he, yeah, he's a beautiful reflection of like opening up and like says, what's the lesson for today to me sometimes? Or, you know, he wants to talk about it. And yeah, I think it resonates, yeah. Yeah, that's beautiful. It's more like just natural, a natural unfolding. Like I think a lot of times when people think about religion or spirituality, they're kind of put off by, oh my gosh, I don't want to get off into something or carried away by something and what do I have to give up? And, you know, the old thing, my gosh, what will be asked of me? And I find that the spirit is so gentle and uses everything that we've learned and is kind of just tweaking. He's like repurposing skills and abilities, reinterpreting things that we even developed on an ego level. Those skills are just really neutral to the spirit, but the spirit's like, oh yeah, here, let me use them and you'll see how much fun you can have. You'll find, you can have joy and happiness and peace and laughter. And it's a gentle kind of reinterpretation. And I think that's a good way. If it's, it is a perceptual problem. And then when you are lifted out of that into a state of mind that is very still, then you're just grateful. You're just left with gratitude. Like it all got used. So I know with so many people, they've even said, well, I have skills that there's no way that the Holy Spirit can use. And I would say, you'd be surprised because don't close your mind so quickly and just label these skills as totally ego or totally of the world because the spirit can use, look at Shakespeare, use words in the most eloquent, philosophical, profound way. We love watching a great movie where, you know, I'll see, there's a movie called Time Traveler's Wife and it's so well done. I think originally, Brad Pitt and Jennifer Aniston were supposed to be the couple in it, but then they split up and then they left the movie and two more came in. And it's such a beautiful movie that by the end of the movie, you're left with this feeling of love, just your heart opening up. And I used to say, wow, that's such a well-made teaching learning device for opening to love, Time Traveler's Wife. And then I was traveling in Northern California and they said, well, the screenwriter of that, the one who wrote the screenplay for that, you know, he would like to meet with you. He would like you to come to his house. So I thought, cool, I love it. Need screenwriters or whatever because I'm so touched by the movie itself. But now, so I go to his house and I meet him and he had also written Screenplay Ghost with Demi Moore and some other movies that I felt were very, very helpful, very skilled writer. And then I told him, I said, well, I like to use movies to retrain the mind and open the mind up. And he said, how do you do that? He was so used to screenwriting just as a career and he was just getting interested in his spiritual journey. So he was kind of, we had a fascinating talk but I find that the spirit brings us together in order to reinterpret the world in a beautiful way. And I enjoy all these encounters that I've had with this same man. He said, I saw the movie Awake with about Yogananda's life. And I said, oh yeah, that was a great movie. And he said, I really, I didn't like it. And that was like, I talked to 200 people. I have 200 people tell me they like it. And now I'm sitting and I'm saying, fascinating. Tell me what you didn't like about Yogananda's movie Awake because this is like a master screenwriter. And he said, well, there were so many mystical experiences in it and so many transcendent moments in it that he says, I don't think average people could relate as well because there was so many mystical experiences in it. And he said, I like to craft a screenplay so that people are drawn in through the characters and through the interactions and their heart opens up through that. And I said, I can totally see that too. I can see the gift, the blessing in that too because I've seen so many movies that are just so well done that you just feel your heart opening just through following the characters. So we had a beautiful talk and we talked about practicality. Keeping it simple and doing what you love and giving your blessing, your gift to the world and it turned into an amazing interaction. Yeah. Yeah, I always think about unworthiness with that and feeling before the course I could watch a film like that and feel like, oh, well, course this enlightened being is special. But Jesus says in the course, we are equal learners. That's what I read today. And he just again and again, he just says, we're equal, we're equal, please listen to me, we're equal. He's like, I get it, I get it, we're equal, we're equal. So now I'm watching awake. Yeah, we watched it the other day actually. And Yogananda saying, we are the same. Like I'm not, your guru is in here. Yeah. Guru is like, my guru has died, what am I gonna do? No, your guru is in here. And it's just like, yes, wow, like they're so empowering. And I never thought that I could feel that way because without the course, I'd never thought, you know, it's just like, oh, that's a nice thing for people to happen to people. That's great. I don't understand it. I feel like I'm drawn to it, but I don't know, you know, hopefully one day, one lifetime, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, just we're equal, we're equal in mind. Yeah, it's beautiful. It's, I'm always looking for ways to use anything in the world for that connecting, that deep connecting. And it's been amazing in our seeming lifetimes that the technological advances, a friend of mine, Francis Zoo had edited a movie put together so the community could watch it about George Lucas of the Star Wars movies, an amazing open-minded person who just took on one advance after another of technology and they would just get a group of people together and they'd have people in the movie industry saying, well, yeah, what you're talking about can't be done. And they would just all get in a room and just let's do it. And they kept expanding so much in order to do what had never been done before and then do it again, something else what had never been done before. And I think that's a good symbol for spiritual awakening where you're stretched or you're expanded beyond the past, beyond of what you believe you were capable of and then you find yourself being used in very miraculous extraordinary ways. But there's a natural feeling like, oh yeah, it's like the spirit's doing it. You're just beholding, you know, it happened. So I had, I'd think probably maybe some weeks ago I started talking in the community about, I said, there's some kind of new shift coming the use of technology because I told him, I'm into the present moment. I wanna just link people in the moment spontaneously. Like today, I just had thought like I saw on Facebook about white feathers and then it came to call you. And then here we are, you know, I'm free all day. Well, what about now? You know, what about now feeling? So we're working on a thing called Living Miracles Oracle and living Oracle, I think is what they're calling it, but it's going to be using technology to meet together on the internet, like spontaneously like we did today and we're doing right now. And in a number of different ways, be able to just share from the heart, extend the gifts, extend the presence. So that's kind of exciting too. You know, you're just looking at maybe coming over right at the time where we're having a lot of new ideas bubble and that's very exciting. Yeah, yeah, so exciting. Thank you so much. This has been just so delightful just talking about the natural unfoldment of how things go because it seems like when we get called away from the traditional and the conventional ways sometimes that the ego can be very harsh, but it sounds like you've just been deep diving into the course and having lots of miracles and mind expanding experiences like those oneness experiences that you have had for some time in your life. And now it's just kind of forming into like a direction or a calling, the calling of the moment where there's something strong calling you and to be able to even talk about that and articulate that is really amazing too. Because I know just our conversation here will bless so many just tune in and they watch it and they say, wow, I really felt something when this was said or when that was said and yeah, it's open. Yeah, yeah. And I think recently I had the thought about fear underneath it, you know, the fear that stops you from doing something but it's very different fear. It's a fear of healing. The feeling of fear is like a perceptual problem but it's there and used in a completely different way. It's like, what is this fear for? This fear is for the Holy Spirit. This fear is for healing. So it's like the Holy Spirit uses everything. It uses the emotions, it uses the fear and they will just outbreak because having fear about coming to community, I just was filling out the application or thinking about it and I just, I was like, oh no, I'm too fearful. You know, there's too much fear here but then there's the joy on top of it that's driving it. It's not, it can't stop, it can't stop you. You know, it's like, it can't, yeah. And it's not to be hidden from either these fearful emotions. It's not like before where it's like, oh, suppress, you know, you're fearful, you're crying, you're upset, don't talk to anyone about it or someone's gonna ask you reasons why you're so upset and you can't talk about it, you can't talk about it. The whole point of the spiritual journey is to feel everything. All of those emotions are so welcome and with meeting Anna, she was just like, every part of you is welcome. Every part of you, all of you is welcome. And I just was like, oh my gosh. Every part of me is welcome. The fear, the anger, like all of it is so welcome. And I was just like, wow. And having someone else say that gave me permission to do that for myself as well. So it's like, oh, wow, you know, it's not like I have to feel spiritual or whatever. It's just, it's all there to be burned away by the light but it's all welcome. Yeah, yeah. It's beautiful to see it in those terms because I was talking to someone last night and they were saying it's someone here, a volunteer at the community here at the monastery and they've been doing a lot of work on heating and air conditioning units and things. And there was a company that was coming in and there were these young workers who were just had a lot of tattoos all over their arms and their own way of living and being. And he was just kind of openly sharing with her. Yeah, I was like, when I heard it was a monastery, I was like, oh, no, I've got to go, you know, work for my job at this monastery and they're gonna see my arms and my tattoos and everything and he was thinking, I guess maybe he just had monastery ideas of traditional monasteries that, oh, this isn't gonna fit well and I'm gonna get judged and all these things. And he's just prancing around here, having so much fun doing things, loving, sharing, the connecting because it's a perceptual problem but when you just follow your joy and you don't, you let go of the thoughts of those judgments then actually it's quite delightful. You can really have these wonderful encounters and have a lot of fun. So that's what, there's a whole group of them here today from a company called Oy Boys. Even the names are funny. Oy Boys are doing the heating coulis and they're just, it's a mix of people. We're all in this together. We're all being used by the spirit for the same purpose. And when we keep that in mind, it's a joyful experience. There is no dividing lines. Why would we make dividing lines between anyone when really we're all the same one and we're here to recognize that? Yeah, yeah. Well, thank you so much. And I look forward to seeing you if you make it to Mexico or wherever. I think we've got a group of interns coming together and that should be a delightful experience. And I'm so glad you could take the time so spontaneously to be with me on the live here today. Love you. Love you too. Thank you.