 It's a unique hustle, nigga, big shit, big shit, big shit, big shit, huh. Name another podcast like this. Check it, check it, check it, it's a unique hustle, it's your boy, E-CEO. And I'm here with the lovely, amazing official, Mr. Mako, what's going on? Nah, nah, my dad will all go on. Man, hey, man, we got a special guest in here today, man. He really don't need no introduction, man. This guy here is here by way of California, man. I'll tell them more. Compton, California. You want me to say that? You got to say that. Compton, California is in the building. He's representing. All right, let's get it right. Let's get it right. Hey, man. So, hey, man, how are you doing today, man? Man, I'm glad to be here. Man, we thank you for coming all the way this way, man. Yes, sir. Man, so just, you know, we always go back, man. So we going to start off just in the early stages of who you are. You know what I mean? Like, you say, Bumpton, that's what they say. Compton or Bumpton? Well, Bumpton, California, like Melvin say, it ain't set trippin', we set trends. And when you say Bumpton, California, a lot of people think about gang bangin' or this. Compton, California is the first black-run city west of the Mississippi's. Okay. When it was called in DC Chocolate City, we was Chocolate City. Okay. Man, because I never heard of Bumpton before. You never heard of? Never. Compton? So Compton, you just named it as, there is no place that really named Bumpton? Yes, it is. Okay. It's Blacktown. Oh, okay. Okay, so it's not you. You never heard of it. Who named it Bumpton? Um, God did. Like, it was just unknowing that, I mean, you never heard of Chocolate City. Yeah. So that's Washington, DC, right? Uh-huh. So you heard of that? Yes. So just because you didn't heard of it, don't make it any, it's not true, right? That's true. Okay, so it's a lot of things you heard of. We'd have another Mount Everest with the stuff that you ain't heard of. That's true, that's true. So, you ain't really ever been to Bumpton, so you got to come. Okay, definitely will. So it was, you know, we call it Bumpton because the Compton referred to the Clue Clutch Clan, the founding fathers of Compton, California, the pilgrims that came there. And like I said, I was raised on Elm Street. And that's where you were born as well? Yes. Born and raised? Okay. On Elm Street. And as we said, we ran Freddie Kugler off Elm Street, so that's where the nightmare came from. Oh, okay. We moved them Crockers East. Okay, okay. Wow. So, uh. So tell us, how was it like growing up there as a kid? Growing up, like. Did you have brothers and sisters? Yes. How many brothers had many sisters? I got a brother and a sister. One brother. Are you the eldest? Yes. Okay. So big bro. So you had to lead the way, lead the example. I don't know if I did all that. I was there. You was there? Yeah. Okay. So we grew up, the average black family, not the average black family, my father was a homeowner. First houses on Elm Street. So you were raised with your mom and dad? Yes. Okay. You know, average family nowadays is like single mom home and stuff, and they're like. I mean, that's the economical forte for exclusion of the black race. Right. So, yeah, through, you know, that came up through the 30s and it disseminated all the way through. But in Compton, when I grew up in Compton, it was the city of no smog because of the atmosphere. They call Compton the hub city. So we're in the middle of everything. Anaheim, Orange County, the valley. So the hub city with the air coming from the south, the beach, the salt water air, and the mountain air from the Santa Ana winds comes into the middle and it connects in Compton. And it's a natural purification. You know, when you drink your bottled water, when you hear about the artesian wells and you see all those pretty mountains, artesian California, we had the first 21 artesian wells that we sell white folks they were. Wow. But all the knowledge that you have about California, because as a child, because, you know, most kids don't care about the city that they grew up in. They don't go research and they're just living. They just want to, it's all about them. So how were you as that child? Were you always this way or? We grew up this way. I mean, this inconsistency didn't happen to the dispensation of maybe the 80s babies. We grew up having knowledge of what our city was and what our city was about. Oh, okay. And that's because of your parents passing that knowledge down to you? Heck, you know, my mama didn't know nothing. My mama's from Mississippi. She's the only child graduated from college. My daddy brought her to California. She thought she was the queen of Elm Street. So, no. In my era, we were adventurous. Okay. Like, Compton was a country, you know, like Texas now. We had horses and cows. We used to steal the LA Dodgers. The LA Dodgers stayed in Richland Farms. And we used to steal a horse at six o'clock in the morning and ride all the way to Disneyland. Barabak, you know what I'm saying? Wow. So, we didn't call it stealing at that time. We just, you know, we needed a ride. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, when you think about, you know, because I told Marv is the name that you were called, but when you think about Marvin Earl Kincey, how did that- I don't know where y'all get this Earl from. My name ain't no dad or no. Marvin Kincey. Okay. So, how does that transformation happen as far as to Artola Marv? Artola. Well, let's go back to who Marvin Kincey was. Okay. Who Marvin Kincey is. I'll add one more name to that, because I see on your social media, you have Cahill Ayat. Cah- Khalil. Khalil, sorry. Khalil means it all, love. Yeah, Khalil Hayat. Ayat. Ayat. Ayat is the Asura in a, like in a Bible of verse, instead of a verse in the Koran, it's Ayat. You know what I'm saying? So, my youngest son's name is Khalil, and I just use Khalil Ayat. Okay, okay, cool. So why did it change with all of these different names? You were going into that story. I ain't got no all different names. My name is still Marvin. Marvin, and then now you have- That's a title, Ayatola. Okay, so tell me about that title. That title, well, how the title came about, is a matter of fact, it was right here in Texas. I was on the verge of being arrested in Houston, Texas. Okay. And I got away from the police, and my attorneys put me on a plane to go back to California, the police had told LA that I was on my way to California. So my attorneys took me to Hobby Airport and sent me to Las Vegas. So at this time, this 1978, 79, the Ayatola Khomeini had 143 passengers on the passenger plane, Americans, and demanded that America give them $40 billion, you know. So Ayatola had America as hostage. So when I went to Texas, I mean, when I left Texas and went to Las Vegas, they had, in the casinos, they had these papers. You came to Texas, took Las Vegas by storm, and it's a warranted poster on there. So I wrote a letter, I got one of these posters and sent it to the prosecutor in Houston, Texas, right? I told them, I said, I was marvelous Marv then, marvelous Marv took Texas by storm, wanted dead or alive, right? And I sent it to the prosecutor. So I came back to California, when I came back to California, I ended up getting arrested. So I got arrested, I go with high powers for known gang members. So Doc Holliday, the leader of the BGF, I've been knowing Doc since the San Quentin days, him and Ray Ray Browning and Stanley Tookie Williams, some of the notables. So when I got to the county jail, Doc say, damn Marv, Texas so damn mad at you, you had, they said you held up like the Ayatollah, Nikki, you the Ayatollah. And it just, 1979, it just started long. So, I mean, it's suitable, Ayatollah means the evidence of a law, the evidence of God. And like Marvin Sapp said, you never should have made it through the things that I've been through. I mean, with all the time I did in prison, all the time I did, I wasn't the best person on, I ain't been that bad on the street, but I am. You're not the worst. I kinda am, just so. But I ain't got a gang of hickeys on my head, I ain't got no bullet wounds that you can see. So I mean, I've had favor, you know what I'm saying? I ain't never locked up, I ain't never, I've been on these streets, I'm 71 and I'm still pushing a line. But it's in a different line raising my youngsters now. Because we got a 30 year gap of black men not relating to black children. And then you come back, half of us were in prison, the other half was on crack, on some, they weren't just abandoned, but they was kidnapped psychologically. So you have a child like brother just said, his father in and out of prison, out of jail, two or three years, it was a gap. If my oldest sons had it depended on me, they had been sitting down in the pisk, I was in the penitentiary, and they said their mother's sitting down, so luckily they became men, but it had nothing to do with me, because I wasn't there. You feel what I'm saying? So we have to accept the responsibility of what happened to us that we allowed to happen and the dispensation between us and our children. How can I come back and my son 20, 25 years old and I tell him what to do? Wow. And men don't, I'm not going to say men where a lot of people don't think about those consequences when they're in the trouble before. You know what I mean? It's after when they sit down and they realize, man, I got in trouble and I'm going to miss out on my child being born or I'm going to miss out on how many years. But you know what? You don't think about it before. But the problem with a gangster, we're selfish. I never loved nobody more than me. And when I grew up, I didn't grow up thinking I was going to marry somebody or have kids. Not even your mother? You didn't love nobody more than you? I didn't love nobody more. I thought I loved my mother, but if I had her and respected her, she would not, my mother never been to prison. I tell you, my mother graduated from Jackson State University. She came to California. My daddy took care of her. You dig what I'm saying? My brother, father would come home every Friday with flowers and candy. I'd give it to women because my dad gave it to my mother. But you can't beat me out of the shit because I'm from the street. I'm not my daddy. So you grew up in a really good household. Yes, I thought I was Beaver Cleaver. But you ended up on the street. Everybody do. Well, let me ask you this, and I want to skip over it. You said when you came back from Texas and you went, when you first got locked up, what was the turn, how much time did you get? My first got locked up? I was nine years old. Wow. We was talking about that early. I was with some of my little cousins and these boys came, this is an LA. My cousins, we were playing. Some dudes asked us, do we want some balls? So we're like, yeah. So they took us to the ball factory where they make balls at and put us over the fence, told us, man, just go over the door and y'all can play with all the balls you want, right? So we went in there, we got footballs, we threw it, I got all that shit at home though. But we just in LA, we playing. They burglarizing the place. We playing the police come. Wow. Bam, we were sitting there. We go to jail, Newton Street jail, right? We go to jail. I'm so scared to tell my mom, I don't tell them who I am at all. So it's the first time I ever spent the night away from home in my life in juvenile hall. Wow. And then one of our neighbors seen me there and went and told my mom, you know? And I had the right to remain solid at nine. Okay, so when was the next time that you had got? Before you get into the next time, sorry, babe. They always say that the reason why you end up on the street or anything like that is because you normally don't have that father figure in your life to try to straight send you in the right direction. But you still ended up on the street, although you had a father figure and you got in trouble. But then does the environment have something to do with that? We talk about the gap, okay? My father died when I was 13, okay? So we look at 13. But you got in trouble at nine first time. Yeah, I was getting, you know, I'm being a boy. I'm hustling. We were going out the house, riding bicycles. We weren't territorial when I was growing up. We ride bicycles to Griffin Park. We go and we in mischief, you understand? We keeping the crime rate up. Haven't white folks. I had a critical incident with white America at about eight and just changed my life. That's what really changed my life. What happened? You know, people tell you in California ain't never seen no racism. It's no prejudice in California. That's a bullshit. We had the men, we had the Spook Hunters, the John Burke societies, and these were some real crackers. After seven o'clock, they see blacks walking the street of Compton. They shoot them with BB guns. The niggas is coming. The niggas is coming, right? So we had, they call it Gonzales Park now. And on Rosecrane, when I grew up, Rosecrane was a two-lane street with no sidewalks. We're coming from the park one day. When we come from the park, never forget the car, a blue and white Crown Victoria. That's why I don't like Forge today. These crackers rolled up. They had these sleeves rolled up. They had Lucky Strikes, a pack of Lucky Strikes had the Butch haircuts. And they asked like, man, where is Wilmington? And they're like, man, like I tell you now, don't walk up on a car. My brother didn't like, man, don't walk up on a car. I goes to show them where it was. And they threw eggs and rotten tomatoes on me and laughed about it. And it hurt my heart. Why would somebody do me like this? Your parents tell you white people is all right. My mother didn't really say that. She ah, yell, I like you. And from Mississippi, so she hated white folks. So I go home, I'm crying, eggs, rotten eggs, rotten tomatoes all on me. Everybody said, I told you don't do this. And I get to the house and I'm like, what's wrong? Some white people, I told you don't be getting close to white folks. So me and my crew, after that, I started bringing havoc on white America. My mother go to sleep at night. We would go on this side of Compton Boulevard where all the white people live. And they got, in our neighborhoods, all the mailboxes are in the front door. And we'd go to the front door, go get your water hose about 11 o'clock at night, put your water hose in your front door, turn the water on in the morning, your furniture's floating. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, we go to the dairy, go to the dairy and get cow manure, get a bag full of cow manure, wrap it up, all white men had robes on and with their house shoes. Lemakai hit their door and ding dong, light the thing with some lighter fluid and they come out and step on it and shit go all up their leg. We laugh, have us a good laugh. So that was our groin. That was how we started and just putting stuff together. And my little crew, we was called the Blackjack Boys. So this was before the bloods or anything like that? This was before? Yeah, this is 1959, 1990. So we was called the Blackjack Boys because we were watching the gangster movie and they had to, so we got water hoses and put black tape around it, right? And so I had a little crew of about seven or eight of us and we'd go out and rampage everything, every night. We'd go get some clothes, put hay in the clothes and all our streets have dips in them, right? And cars ride on the dips and when your car would come through, we'd stand behind a bush and throw the dummy out and you'd think you didn't hit somebody. So we had all kind of stuff going on that. So when you think of, so after you, like I said earlier, when you, what was the second time that you ended up being incarcerated? Man, I hadn't been incarcerated so many times, bro. Yeah, so what was it? Well, I get it, I make it easier for you. What was the longest stretch? Was something that shocked you and like, dang, that's a lot. Well, the first, my first incident in juvenile hall did four months, then I did nine months and then I was out like 69 days and caught a murder robbery. Okay. Me and my crime partners and intentional, what an accident, white America, you know, and end up doing 15 years. Okay. So from 17 to about 27, you know, grew up and I'm the first youth to ever, I caught a case in Ontario YTS in youth authority. Okay. And a guy got convicted and I went straight from youth authority to San Quentin. Wow. Ain't nobody do that. You gotta go through Tracy to Hatch-A-V, a solid dad, that I went straight to the adjustment center. Wow. So they sent me there to kill me, but God said no. Hey. You know. So when you think about growing up, because Kendrick Lamar and all the rap artists too, we was talking early off the behind the scenes and how did you end up, just give me the story on Kendrick Lamar, knowing him and meeting, you know, seeing him growing up. Kendrick was a brother he had moved from Watts and his family moved across the street from us. Myle Manard, young dude, you know, really stayed to himself and I used to, you know, pick him up, be interact with him and never knew he had a talent because he didn't walk around with a rap book or always rapping and he's just like low profile. Like Myle Manard as he is now. And I remember one day I had an artist, Tony Hustle, we was on Warner Brothers and we go to a celebrity party and we go in there. And J-Rock was there, J-Rock from Watts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And J-Rock just got put on Warner Brothers and I see Kendrick and like, hey Kendrick, what's up? I think he's in the entourage with J-Rock, right? So you know, and I see him a couple of more times on stage when game did a thing with J-Rock. I see Kendrick on the stage. So I'm thinking he a bouncer boy, right? I go to Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Somebody comment like, hey, Mar, you know the little dude stay across the street from you? I go, Kendrick, I'm like, yeah. He's the man, he on Source magazine, I said, we kill. You're like, man, now go see him. Go in there and see him with Dr. Dre. Like, what? I didn't even know this dude could rap. Wow, those two are real. Did you ever talk to him after that? Yeah, I saw him. I'm like, you know, you can't ask to get on when you miss the boat. He's a little homie, you know what I'm saying? But everybody wants, now you want to claim him. Silk had action at him, but he didn't think he was worth it. Wow. So all the dudes that had action, now they all crying. When he moved from, his mother didn't move from my, that was, where I grew up, it was treetops. We, 1950, my cousin tell me, you all had not know Blackjack boys. This is treetops, because all our streets are named after trees. Elm Street, Spruce Street, Maple Street, Magnolia Street, Palmer Street, all our streets are trees. So that's the treetops. So in 1959, I became a treetop. And treetops went from Central to Compton Boulevard to Rosecrown to the Canal. We had a canal running from one side to the other. And Elm Street had the bridge. And when I get in my teens, we ran the bridge. If you wanted to go across our bridge, the Canal Boys Bridge, you had to pay a quarter or fight somebody. Wow. If not, you had to walk all the way around to go downtown, you know. Well, let me ask you this. I seen you on a picture with Dre. How did, how did, how was you and his relationship? We ain't got- Dr. Dre, I mean, I just seen you on a picture. How did that end up happening? We don't have a relationship, you know. It ain't like me and him cool or, I mean, we're coolers, but I had to give rough props. Okay. You did what I'm saying? When he made the deal with Apple, and he became the first black billionaire of the city of Compton, right? So, before this, I had asked the new mayor had came in. Kendrick was on, problem was on. DJ Quick, we got some amazing dudes about our 10 square miles. We had more blacks going to the Olympics at a time than any state, you know what I'm saying? It's great things happen out of Compton, California. You know what I'm saying? So, I approached the mayor, who was Asia Brown at the time, and asked him like, man, we need to, give something for the rappers. NWA made gangster rap, you know. Compton do some shit, you know what I'm saying? So, we don't want Compton to go in that direction. We're trying to change. We don't want to get rid of the gangster. So, when Dre got the money, they start asking Dre. Dre wasn't accepting no calls. So, I went on myself with my own money, and I made June 19th. Most kids don't know what June 10th is. So, I made June 10th in the city of Compton, Dre Day. Wow. That's why I gave him a hood pass, and I got a plaque with all the freeways on the side, and all the original OGs from Compton, California, give him a pass. I had some scrolls made, and everybody from all the schools signed them, and gave them to him. Had some shirts made, you understand me? Dre Day, you know, Dr. Dre. So, you give homage to, you ain't got to kiss and hug and this and that, but it's something else you just got to do. I mean, why are you doing here, Cripp? He's an artist. He's a black artist, you know what I'm saying? And he's doing things, you know, that's why I have why I'm here, because it's a lot of people say stuff about California that have no relevance. Okay. You're just looking, or you don't know what we didn't really did. Okay, let me ask you this. Like, when you spoke earlier, and you mentioned Shug Knight, being in California, as long as you've been, did you ever have any actions with Shug Knight? I was there when Shug ran over Terry. I've been very involved with Shug, you know, even before when I got out of prison in 95, we did the original security for Tupac. Okay. And when he did Gridlock, I remember that. And we worked with him in the nation of Islam, worked with Poc until Shug made the disastrous decision to hire the police. Yeah, okay. Why do you say disastrous decision? Cause everything went bad after that. What went good? I mean, when he was with the nation, wasn't shit happening. Poc didn't deal with no police. Okay. And he didn't like police. So if you listen to interviews, the only two people that really dealt with Poc, one-on-one was Frank Alexander and Michael Moore. Michael Moore is a fireman out along beach. Frank was a ex-seal or dissonance and this and that. So after the disaster that happened in Las Vegas, the only two that opposed anything that the common story was, the truth wasn't told. But the only people that were telling the truth, both of them end up dead. How'd that happen? Wow. You know what I'm saying? But you got all the rest of these suckers that's telling the story, they're alive, they kicking it. But that ain't the truth. That is just my little bitty opinion. But I was there. What happened to why Shug switched from the nation to the police? He was manipulated. But when you see, well, I don't even know him from, the stories are from the TV shows and so forth. But when you see him, he doesn't seem like the type of person who is easily manipulated. You don't think so, huh? I'm just saying. I mean, you don't think so. I don't really know him. So I mean, just looking at him, here's a man with $146 million, end up going to prison, now he got 25 years. You think he ain't easily manipulated? I get it. You know what I'm saying? So Shug is a wreck. Me and Melvin was talking about it today. Shug is the only one that he ain't even a gangster. Ain't rat it on nobody. Everybody rats on him. They talk shit about Shug. But how many interviews you ever heard of Shug accusing anybody of anything? He didn't keep it. He wouldn't even be in prison if he had a followed by instruction that day that that incident happened. But he wanted to keep it 100. And that 100 got him 25 years. Wow. I got him the interview with Melvin. Me and Melvin did with, what's the girls? Solidato Brian and Ice Cube did a thing on Shug. He killed baby Paul Small too fast. And so I was able to get an interview with Shug to a telephone interview. So I don't help dude, I way more need to help me out. But the hype, you know what I'm saying? He keeps feeding into the hype. You know what I'm saying? So yeah, when you talk about some people and the way he had good intentions but good intentions is full in the grave y'all if you don't make them right, huh? That's right. So sometimes you try to save people that don't want to save themselves. Correct. So when he got into the industry, the industry wanted Don Carneas to mentor him. They select his friends. But he wanted to deal with the mob. He wanted to deal with the homies. He took crackheads and made them somebody else. And when the money ran out, the crackheads ran out on him. Wow. Why the American don't say that about Shug? They make black people talk about Shug as they do with everybody else. You know? Good stuff. Man, I just, I think about the times when he had death row and all that, man. That was the time when the whole hip hop scene was actually being really maneuvered by him and Jimmy Alvin, I'm going to be honest with you. And that was the time when they had everything pretty much, they had everything what they wanted it. They had the money, they had the power, they had the success that the American dream so-called. So when you think about that, I just to see it all dwindle away like it did was pretty, it was drastic for the culture. That's right. They say money and fools soon part. Yeah, yeah. So we had all the opportunity. We suggested that, dude, get a factory over on Walnut, right next to the 91 freeway, have death row comptons. But you have out of this whole thing, you have no edifice of death row and comptons. Ain't that sad? Wow. You spend all that money in Beverly Hills, you spend all that money somewhere else and they didn't tow everything down that you ever, you just rented it. Wow. $50,000, $60,000 a month for some people that don't even like you when you could have built your own mansion in your city. Wow. But white America don't allow you to do anything like that. You can invest with the March of Dimes or Jerry's kids, but you can't invest with black folks. Okay. You know what I'm saying? So it's been a manipulation and we didn't went to sleep on it. Now things have got so bad. It's just like the gang culture. Peru is a culture, it's a street in Compton that just wasn't allowing dudes to just come in just because we live in houses with families. You can't take our coach, you can't take our shoes. We can fight too, you understand? So it was a defense mechanism and the defense mechanism went so bad, we turned into the savages that we were fighting against. Wow. So now you can't tell the difference. Let me ask you this. You and Melvin, y'all roll together. Being a cat from Texas, when you see that, you think about Crips and Bloods, how did you guys end up being, you know, linking up and everything? Because mutually Melvin has a genuine insight for in bettering black people. And I don't say I can in better any way. And we don't say that because he formerly was Crip, you formerly was Blood. Yeah, he Crip, he's Crip. I know I'm a Pyru. Pyru. It's a difference. Okay, I don't know the difference. What's the difference between a Pyru and Bloods? Bloods rule the streets of LA. Pyru's the world. Mathematically, Pyre factor. Okay, so how do you guys end up linking together? How do you end up? Captain Shahid had asked me to do a speaking engagement. I had seen, I guess when Melvin first got out, he did a bookside. I guess, man, when was that first slave ship? 97 after I got out on this device. Right, so I went down to this, I'm kind of black cultural, you know, I'm still got this. So I go down there and I bought one of his books. You know, I bought the book, came home and read it. Then shoot, like five years, about five years ago, we met again at Inglewood High School to talk to some gang members. And we were talking, his partner brought him, I came with Captain Shahid and we got to discuss and this and this and that. And I'm like, right, yeah, I know you. I said, man, I bought your book. Wow. And so that's, you know. So y'all never seen each other. I knew each other before that. No. Wow. That's crazy. No, it ain't crazy. He's from LA, I'm from Compton. Okay, so y'all don't, never cross back. It's a big place. Yeah. So, but, okay. We have an age difference too. Correct. So when he was, when he started doing, he was doing, I was already in prison. Okay. I know some of the OG homeboys and when he was like seven, eight, nine, cause he started when he was like three, I think he was a fucking badass. So, so at the end of the day, being that you guys represent two different parts of the gangs, when people seeing you guys together, when you would do different things together, did it help the gang culture in California? No. No, not at all. Not at all. How do we, how can we, how do we make a better way? Like the gap that you was talking about bridging for, you know, like when you came home and everything was kind of in a disarray. How do you, how do you pretty much bridge those gaps for our youth? For the, I don't know. Don't get me to the line. I can tell you all these, I can tell you all these poetic theories that I have. Yeah. But it's just like me and Melvin was talking earlier about these, it changed this intervention stuff. So we've been doing it. And then when you turn to intervention, these nonprofits, when you do a nonprofit and it starts working the government, take it over and they start running your shit. Now you're just on a payroll. So now your whole complexion or intervention, we've been having intervention for 20 years. It ain't stopped no murders. Wow. You know, but we got some dudes doing like, you know, like I hear dudes talking about, yeah, fuck big you fuck this and this and can you cuss on here? You already did. Did I? Go ahead man. So, but you looking at a dude, and I don't know you personally, but I know his work now. You know what I'm saying? The things that he's doing and the things that he's doing, this dude with his own money took a hundred black kids that had never had suits or nothing but tennis shoes on, bought them tuxedos, took them to dinner. They didn't know what a fork spoon was from a salad fork or this and that. He set them down and did something. Do you know how that impacted them kids life? You can give a nigga a book bag and this and that. You'll give him some draws and some socks. That's what he need. You know what I'm saying? So when you do a rolling Curtis the 30s, the feds had to come get them cause them dudes start buying houses in the neighborhood to keep the Mexicans from buying them. And they start having them. You had a problem with them? They would have the crackheads come cut your line. Every Tuesday they would take out your trash. Now they became friends to the old people. Not old people wasn't writing on them no more. So the LAPD had them all indicted and sent them to the feds. Wow. One of Melvin's OG homies, Michael Conception. You know, I probably heard of Michael. He got the Michael Conception Foundation. So it's dudes is doing stuff, you know, that ain't televised. So maybe we did come up doing some crazy stuff but we had no guidance. Your mother wasn't able to give you $100,000 and let you, you had to do this by hands on trial and error. We didn't know nothing about money. You know what I'm saying? I tell people all the time, when I grew up, it was a thing called the millionaire in the 50s. And my mother and my grandmother used to watch it every day. A man would come up in a long limousine and he would pass out a check for a million dollars. And my mother said, Ms. Pearl, if we had a million dollars, we'd be rich for the rest of our life. She said, Marvin, go sit on the porch and see if you see the millionaire. I'd be sitting at my partner's car. I can't go nowhere right now. I'm waiting for the millionaire. So in knowing that, it kept in my mind. In 1978, I spent $1.5 million in nine months. By 1980, I was broken in the penitentiary for 10 years. Right now, if you have a million dollars and start off on Wilshire and Crenshaw, by the time you get to Wilshire and Cannon, you broke, you owe somebody some money. So you can spend a million dollars now, today, in a day. Yeah. In the 50s, they said it was a lifetime. So do you, when you look at just the way that different things are happening as far as the music industry and the things that influence our youth, is there any hope for the future? That's why rap music is so controlled. We was in, my artist had a record. It says, she's a virgin too. And he's talking about all these exotic girls, just because they wear this lavish, they not hoes. You know what I'm saying? Warner Brothers told him he couldn't put that record out because it was too enticing to elevate black women. They didn't say that. But they said, their quote was, we don't want any music over a first fourth grade mentality. Wow. And you look at rap music, ain't none of it elevated. All your conscious rap is over. Wow. All the rap is bullshit today. Wow. A fourth grade mentality. Wow. Grown people don't talk, why we can't remember raps because we left that mentality. You have to have a room temperature IQ to know a rap record today. Wow. How do we reach the youth who are caught up in the situation with rap and just the way that things are articulating through our youth today? It's just like what I do every day. I don't preach, I walk to walk. I show youngsters that I'm a homeowner. Got my own car, don't make me no, and all the time I did in prison, when I shouldn't have made it, when I was sharing it, Marv, when I was the massacre, now I turn around, but everybody didn't get that kind of blessing. You feel what I'm saying? So it's not about, well, man, you got a testimony. Going to prison is just like flunking the third grade 20 times. Wow. It ain't no bad, cause I gave up on life. The testimony is somebody that stayed on the street, got married, stayed in the neighborhood and never ratted on nobody and still legitimate. That's a, how did you grow up in Compton and never go to jail? Wow. And you're still good with the homeboys. Kendrick is a little dude. He was relevant in the neighborhood. Wow. I found out from Shawty Bang, he was rapping with them, Young Peron, all of these hymn problem, all of these dudes was like straight little gang members. What about YG, YG was not in the mix of that? YG is actually from Paramount. Okay. His aunt stayed in treetops, but these people need labels. Okay. Not taking nothing away from YG, you know. But he didn't go to our schools. Okay. He didn't hang in our neighborhoods. He just ripped it. Kinda like, you know. Yeah, on the music. Yeah. But then they ain't giving back. Wow. And so, get somebody some guns and shit, you ain't helping your neighborhood. Yeah. All these dudes was claiming Pyrrhus, Chris Brown, all of these other dudes that using the label and not one studio for people to go do rap at, but you'll spend $25,000 in a strip club. I mean, we getting used, not used, misused. Wow. How you use, you can't use a cracker's name and they don't get paid for it, huh? So how you use Pyrrhus? How do you use Compton and you ain't been there? Nick, a check in. Let me ask you this. So with everything that you've seen, you're 71. Yeah. And you've seen this whole thing evolve from to what it is today. Do you, are you okay with where it's at? Or do you feel like it should be, we should be in a better state? For the gang violence and the stuff that happened with the guys who are still out there today active. And you asked, could you repeat that? I'm just saying, how do you feel about where it is today? I feel, I feel miserably sad that in 50 years of being active, that we have nothing to show for it. We didn't went backwards. Wow. When it was just Pyrrhus and everybody knew where they buried the dog in the backyard. And now we got all these people coming from other places claiming and you have nothing. That's a business that failed, huh? Wow, yeah. So for me to see these youngsters claiming something and we got a battle right now with fruit town and tree tops. Pyrrhus will kill another Pyrrhus before they'll kill a crepe. You can't even go to a function and these two get together and this, what happened, most of these dudes weren't even born when this, this mishap happened. But they repping something cause he said it. Cause she said, well, we don't fuck with them. We don't do this. Why? They right across the street from each other. You got family members that's related. We all related some kind of, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. And that's a, it's just different from what we do in the South, of course. But just to see that, my cousins, they're definitely, I've taken her over there and off Crenshaw. You remember I took you over Uncle James? I've been there all the life. In 70 years, my uncle James used to have fishing, fishing chip or whatever down in all the restaurants. He had a bunch of them and Sears shoe repair downtown. And basically, man, I seen it and I would see the way they were when they would come to Texas. And it was just a different mindset on life. You know what I mean? Right. A little bit faster, of course, cause country laid back. But still, you know, cause you got killings everywhere, but it's just the strategic way it's done up there versus the way it's done here. But see, you gotta understand, Texas is just Texas. You see, y'all in Texas and y'all do Texas stuff. Correct. California is a transit state. Everybody can't make it in Texas. They try to come to California to do better. As they come to Hollywood, they come in and get turned out and now they bitter, but they can't come back home. Yeah. So they bring their culture and bring their misery to our state. You feel what I'm saying? I get it. And so you got all of these people that come from all over the world, all over from Louisiana, Mississippi, that came there, they wanna be rappers, wanna be movie stars, go downtown and get robbed, took all their money, they're too embarrassed to ask their mama, can you send for me? And they live on the street. Oh, you have freak accidents like Jamie Foxx who come and put a staple out of Tarot, Texas, who get that respect and put that work in to where he's recognized in California right now. Oh yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, but he ain't been to Compton still. He don't come to Compton? No, Jamie ain't been to Compton. I know, I don't know the demographics like that. Well, I'm telling you. So when you look at it though, and then now vice versa, just to stand up for the fact that Texas is where our neighbors just moved from California for better, you know, because of the finances in the way that Compton live in here. Okay, and they're runaways. Is that what y'all call them? They're runaways. If you can't make it in Cali, you can't make it nowhere. Well, I'm coming here, this is cheaper. Well, the same $2 that you're making here, the $20 you're making there, but you're paying $4,000 a month for rent. Here, it's $800 a month. So if you couldn't manage that money that you was making paying the $4,000, eventually, because now here it is again, a lot of people come to Texas and a lot of people come back to Cali. Mm, yeah, I would say, I can't say the transition, I don't know the people for as that didn't work back, but the ones that I'm dealing with now that are here was actually had a few over the last night. Matter of fact, I got with my crime partner. He down here? Yeah, we started selling PCP in Texas, in Houston, and we went to prison, went to Huntsville, and he's in Arlington right now, got a big old pretty house, that had been $2 million in California. Correct, correct. And he's a truck driver, and he drives, but he liked this laid-back issue. Yeah, correct. You dig what I'm saying? I'm Cali, my uncle. My uncle went up there and he did pretty good. So it's just different strokes for different folks. You know what I mean? Because my uncle ain't never left. And he, she see him at his shop when we go up there, so he just never, he never came back. That's the only thing, there's some people that, you know, you can go anywhere and make it some time, but it's just like, you know, what we talk about America. We got a gang of people coming to America, but they ain't many of us leaving. Correct. You know what I'm saying? We ain't trying to go to Africa and live. If they gave me a boat, shit, I'd sell it. He ain't going to Africa. No, hell, the Africans ain't doing good. Wow. You know, you look at a country that 80% of you are the population and 20% of the other and you don't run your own goal. You don't have your own or you don't carry with your diamonds and you still got five wives with a hut that don't even have a door on it. You know, so you ain't doing that. We all, we got microwaves, 60 and stream TVs in California and they own food systems. Wow. So when you look at, because Hollywood actually, Atlanta's doing real good with the, we went down about a Tyler Perry studio. They doing their own, they call it like a small Hollywood down there. Okay. Do you see the opportunities changing the way that technology and the way things have moved now? In technology, and like you say, the relevance of the South is that y'all still holding a black base. We lost our tow hold in California. You know what I'm saying? We're damn near invisible. We don't know who we are. You know what I'm saying? Wow. So we don't have that camaraderie and Atlanta's doing it. But still and all, East Crackers still running y'all. Correct. You got a problem right now with the abortion shot. You got a problem with the voting. You know what I'm saying? So all these big things you're doing for the real stuff that's causing your life, y'all are acting on it. You feel what I'm saying? So this cracker still controlling the mouth of the South is still, that's what I learned when at first place I ever been out of state from San Quinoa. My first trip, 1977 was Houston, Texas. Okay. And I thought it was Griffin Park. I had never seen that many trees and that much quiet. Yeah. And when I got here, I learned something I never knew before. I grew up seeing the racists and the prejudice and the dogs and then I would never go to the South. But I found out that there was a difference between racism and prejudice. You have a right to have a prejudice. I don't like stupid people. That's my right, keep it to myself. So white people in the South, if they don't want blacks to do something, they just make this for you. Go, you can't come on post revokes. So we're gonna make Bel Air for you. In California, they just start redlining you. Like you can't, you're gonna come shop here, but you can't stay here. So I learned the difference between racism and prejudice. Or they say a white man speaks with forked tongue. You ever thought about why they called California Southern California, we're on the West Coast? Because every peck of wood that didn't want integration, they came to California and started making laws and started being judges and they invented racism. So that's the mouth of the South Southern California. Wow, so yeah, man, I tell you, man, we love you brother and just for sure and with us, man. I know this won't be the last time we coming up to Cali again. I'm gonna get to talk to you often to be honest with you. I'm gonna try to if you have me. Man, you know people love to talk. But yeah, like I know last time we was up there, man, and just being able to, just the energy and the way that your character is, man. It was a blessing to be invited in and just the love you showed us, you know, just coming over there, you and Marvin and, man, I didn't forget it. You know what I mean? I appreciate it. I just thank you guys, man, and I'm, hey man, you got anything else for Marvin? Say, man, we love you brother. All right, y'all talk to me already. No, no, no, no, we got some more to do, but hey, it's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101, man. All right.