 There was a remake of Magnificent 7 with John Scott Johnson's reminisce Already in progress They did call to here and you know there was just a period there 80s through 90s where a lot of Utah tax breaks were happening And now that's not true. It's so everyone goes to Atlanta now Atlanta will realize wait a minute. We're not getting all the money. We thought we would get we're gonna get rid of those tax breaks And then they'll be like in St. Louis or something Georgia pays out a lot. They'll just settle for New Mexico did it too. There's a lot of stuff being shot in New Mexico because they started Providing yeah, but if they're running to the same issue like you told me it's like does you don't get the money back the idea Of course is that that you just self sustaining Enterprise like you will you have enough studios or whatever that you can continually run because it the one that does work is Vancouver, yeah, but it has been going long enough that there is now there are now jobs In Vancouver for that Yes, and no, I mean infrastructure up there actors. There are shooters There are studios and edit, but there's still tax breaks related to that industry that they get back, which is why So I'm saying it worked in creating jobs Yes, okay But you know the argument could be we'll save it for later There are so many arguments. There's an East versus. There's a needs me west that just for East There's a west for it to meet. I mean, is there really it if you took away those tax breaks the the refund that the No, I wasn't saying it worked for Vancouver. I said that very loosely. I understand I didn't mean it worked for Vancouver in that they're the making yes loads of money I meant that like the jobs thing almost never works out But that is the one part of the Vancouver situation that seems to work Well, they lucked out. They're in the same time zone Yeah, they didn't I think that was that was by design like I don't think that was they didn't just spin a wheel and go. Oh, look Well, like the first one they did the first ones they did were ex files in 21 Jump Street. Yeah Oh, that's one of the first yeah, which is why every place they go to in the first five seasons of xbox all looks ready No, I remember that it's like, hey, isn't that the same tree we saw in Stargate? Well, and all the CW shows are set in Vancouver, which is hilarious because they're all supposed to be in different cities Yes, so with the with the flash is on Robson Street It looks like the same street that the arrow is on but he's in central city and and arrow isn't just city They were just designed during the same period with the same architects. Right, right. That's what it is, right? Just like when everything used to look like Southern California All right, let's get this show on the road shall we Scott Johnson? I think we should why not here we go great idea Wait, uh, you gave me control right just real quick. I did do you still have it control? Yes. Got it. All right. Here we go Daily Tech news. All right, here we go Daily Tech news show is powered by its audience not outside organizations to find out more head to Daily Tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Wednesday, July 20th 2016. I'm Tom Merritt joining me today Scott Johnson is back How have you been Scott? I hear it's hot where you are in Utah It's ninety nine degrees a few minutes ago I told you was 97 and we're talking fair high Fahrenheit all you people with the space points and your weird measurement system That's like above 30 so for the rest of the 37 or something for you Celsius folks, but yeah, it's nice and warm here It's great air conditioners blowing on me. We got a show to do. There's technology in the wind It's exciting man. It's the hottest June on record since the 1880s by the way in the United States true everywhere, right? Like I'm hearing everyone in states that Spain has a horrible heatwave going on. It's it's no joke out there folks Keep cool. Stay safe Facebook messenger has become the third of the company's apps to pass the 1 billion user mark Apple released new betas of Mac OS and iOS 10 and now here are some more top stories Twitter said Tuesday people should be able to express diverse opinions and beliefs on Twitter This is a quote from them by the way but no one deserves to be subjected to targeted abuse online and our rules prohibit inciting or engaging in the targeted abuse or Harassment of others over the past 48 hours in particular We've seen an uptick in the number of accounts violating these policies and have taken enforcement actions against these accounts This comes in the wake of Leslie Jones Posts about being harassed and sharing examples of racist posts against her bright Bartek editor Milo Yiannopoulos says his account at Nero is one of the suspended accounts and Milo told bright Bart This is the end for Twitter anyone who cares about free speech has been sent a clear message You're not welcome on Twitter. Mmm. I mean there's all sorts of directions We could go with this but I think the more interesting one in the context of this show for me anyway is Twitter's seeming inability to have a standard response or a set of guidelines that that work across the board and maybe that's impossible and so anything they do will either look like cherry-picking like they're doing too much or they're not doing enough and They are at a stage of I think of their lifespan where this is the service everybody uses to say the loudest things people read the shorter thing and Twitter provides the shorter format and You're gonna get your message out in a much more punctuated way than you are with a giant You know four-page thing on on Facebook with truncated pages and everything else This is kind of the format for that So if they're the platform for that they've got to get their heads around this Before some of the stuff blows up in their face As outside of these specific allegations these specific bannings and so on At the end of the day my opinion is their company. They're gonna do what they're gonna do either poorly or well And I don't know that it actually hinders anyone's actual free speech But you could make an argument that a platform of this size is a sizable platform for people's public speech So I don't know if there's a lot of nuance to this everybody wants to make it very black and white But pretty complicated mess. Yeah, it's interesting to say like Because it's not a free speech issue in the constitutional sense the the Twitter is not Constitutionally protected speech Twitter is a private company and they can decide whom to let on their platform or not And you can decide whether to support their business or not based on on those policies But there is a too big dissensor aspect of it that you're pointing out Scott, which is like, yeah But if a platform is this dominant Should it you know, is it a good idea for it to get into the business of deciding What is acceptable speech or not and that it that is not a unique problem for Twitter We talked about this quite a bit with Patrick Beja yesterday. It is a problem that forums have been wrestling with forever I remember when a guy was coming onto one of my forums at Subrillion news back in the 90s and he was posting about Nambla I'll let you look that up for yourself if you want to know why I removed those posts and he started saying hey This is freedom of speech. You're removing my posts. I'm like, it's it's I have a free place for people to post I don't I don't pre certify what you're gonna post But it's my forum and at a certain point if I'm uncomfortable with what you're posting I get to choose to remove you and you get to decide whether to go or not that said at the same point I was questioning myself like, okay, I don't question that I should remove those posts But what are the rules if I have an idealistic belief to allow as much open engagement as possible And that that's what we're talking about when you say it's very nuanced Which is there are things we can all look at and agree. That's not okay You shouldn't be able to threaten someone's life on you know without consequence And and there are things that other people agree are entirely okay. Like, well, that's just a joke and we all know That's just a joke But in the between who gets to decide what's over the line and what's not well You can easily you can you can avoid the whole debate and say well Twitter does it's there They're a platform they get to decide and you can decide whether participate or not Well, like I just did a few minutes ago, but if I'm advising one of these companies or if I'm a user of one of these companies What do I want them to do? That's the part that I don't think anybody has really nailed and plus that idea is is a scaling problem You know like with you in a small forum or in many cases. I've had similar experiences in the forum that I run I still run Where I've had to push somebody out of there because it's something they were doing or saying or had moderators do the same You're talking about a problem that maybe affects hundreds sometimes thousands of people but not Multipletudes of millions of people the way that Twitter does and I think that when you get to that scale Questions are different. You know what who decides how is it decided and all of that is a very different thing. It also is a big Economic thing. It's a big impact on lots of things if Twitter does the right right move or wrong move or the users react in a certain way It affects stock prices affect stockholders. It affects the economy So it scales in a funny way from you and me and our little forums and our decision there about what is morally the right thing to do Versus what happens on this much larger scale and that's really hard for them to grapple with I think yeah, but also if I just keep coming back to this scenario Tom if I have a if I'm in my house and I'm inviting people in To hang out and one of them decides he wants to you know peel over the couch and I kick him out He can't I don't think he gets to claim that will you've ruined my freedom of expression inside the house sure Ouch, you get out of my house. What what if he just starts throwing food on the floor and you decide Whatever I can clean it up later. It's not a big deal It's not worth getting in a fight over and someone else who's a guest in your house says hey stop him from throwing food Food on the floor. I don't like it. Yeah, how do you decide whether you're like well, okay? I may not have minded this at first, but they have a point. It's making them uncomfortable I should stop it or or when do you say like hey? It's my house He could throw food on the floor if I let him and you you can leave the house if you want Yeah, and that and literally if you go on Twitter at any given time and do some keyword searches you will find the definition of Double-standard everywhere. There are so much hateful mean things being said constantly on Twitter that are not getting noticed because it isn't High-profile people tossing mud back and forth and so it's very easy to get into that whole swing of things and go Well, I guess they're only picking and choosing based on how popular you are like those kinds of arguments are happening Like the whole thing is just a mess and I I just think that the only way you get to the bottom of it Because Twitter holds the keys is for them to say here is our standard We will now have a technological algorithmic or whatever way of Enforcing it and that's how it's gonna be from here on out People aren't gonna like that people may love that but it's the only way to do it. What else is there? Otherwise, it's just nothing don't do anything. So people are good There was a suggestion being thrown around yesterday that perhaps there should just be more moderators hired It's expensive, but maybe maybe a more managed community would help and maybe there's no way around that and frankly folks It is very easy to sit in your armchair like we are right now and tell Twitter what you think they should do or tell other people What you think they should or shouldn't do But you also have control over what you do and and that could be Deciding to leave Twitter It could be deciding to be a positive force on Twitter and tell people good things and try to balance out Those sorts of things one one of the biggest issues with hate and trolls is that their voices drown out everyone else So I'm not I'm far from saying that's the solution But that also doesn't mean you shouldn't do it Yeah, or you could do like me and make a bad joke about freeing Milo Ventimiglia who is an actor on the show heroes which some people didn't appreciate for you him from the from having to have been in Heroes It just I like the idea that they both had Milo as their first names and complicated last names Sure, no, I get it. Yeah, dad joke kind of thing to do in there Even mad at me for that. Look, look maybe I made a joke about The fact that we already closed all the borders and all we have is Barnes and Noble left the other night Maybe I'm guilty of the same thing Scott Speaking my language man. All right, where are we? Oh Niantic? Let's get back to some Pokemon Go news if you don't mind They delayed the launch of Pokemon Go in Japan yesterday the cancellation came from or after emails from McDonald's Japan leaked on the internet in places like the forum to CH and the photo hosting service imager Detailing the launch time and date Niantic feared launching the game as planned would overload servers and crash the game John Rush along Kevin's we wouldn't let that happen. So no, no heavens. No, you know I can you imagine Pokemon Go where the servers are down and you can't do anything How weird would that be right? Oh wait, that's how it is all the time for me John Russell at TechCrunch reports that sources say the revised launch is imminent Meanwhile Reuters reports AT&T GameStop and Radio Shack all report a rise in sales of mobile chargers It's the Pokemon Go went live on July 6th I can also confirm we went to a GameStop and bought a big Pokemon backpack Which is kind of cool for no other reason just the look cool looks like a big Pokeball in your back Anyway, GameStop has also seen a hundred and fifteen percent increase in sales of Pokemon related collectibles Like Pokemon Backpacks for instance. Yeah, and so in other words Pokemon Go This is how you know when something was an actual phenomenon when many other markets are affected There's a trickle-down effect across the board from its impact and it continues. So anyway, Japan, sorry You're gonna have to wait a little bit, but I'm sure One of the things that's going on there if you don't realize and we mentioned it previously on DTNS is McDonald's is sponsoring Poke stops So there will be I'm sorry, not even Poke stops gyms will be an all maybe I don't know if it's all the McDonald's But many of the McDonald's so that people will come into the McDonald's to train their creatures in the gym And then hopefully buy some hamburgers or whatever. I guarantee you McDonald's will make millions of dollars from this This will be Enormous if I had a place where I go in my corner gym over here by this place I'd be called Soda Row near me if there was a McDonald's on that corner I would buy a McDouble and hang out and eat There's a gym by a Taco Bell near me. It's not a good idea I and also don't forget Japan is already mad enough that they don't have this game yet That they're that they launched behind other countries in the world So I think Niantic is extra sensitive that they they want to time this right so that the servers can handle it And and that's how it should be. Yeah, good luck guys You be catching Pidgemon's or whatever before you know it Eevee in the alley is what the UPS store guy said to me yesterday when he noticed Pokemon go Yeah, Facebook's connectivity lab has published a researcher paper describing a dectector That could use lasers to deliver wireless internet problem with laser internet Which has been developed before is that the beam spreads out as it travels And you need a small detector to be able to get high speed So you have to use a focusing lens to bring the laser back into focus that requires More precision on the part of the sender and receiver and just makes things difficult So instead of a lens to refocus the beam this new system from Facebook's connectivity lab Uses a bundle of plastic optical fibers That can catch the wide beam and funnel it down to a photo diode That means you can have a little more fudge You don't have to have exact precision and hit that lens at exactly the right place You got all these fibers the fibers absorb blue light and emit green within a nine two I'm sorry two nanosecond turn around time the light bulb shaped sensors mean it works with a moving mobile transmitter Like a so-called laser drone and connectivity lab Lo and behold is developing a solar powered UAV to deliver internet access So these two are definitely working together team was able to transmit data at 2.1 gigabits per second and hopes with some optimized materials Including some infrared instead of blue transmission. They could raise that to 10 gigabits per second. I love this It's basically the solution like putting multiple Drainings in a in a big communal shower. You got to capture all that water somehow It's amazing. We'll just put them watching a lot of oranges the new black lately We're at a rough time in high school. I don't know which but one way or the other This is the some of the coolest sounding technology I've ever heard of this sounds like magic to me in a way like I remember I remember a while back And I know it's commonplace now in a lot of hotels and things But the idea of internet piping through your electrical system seemed like oh, yeah home P&A I remember that very Some people still swear by it. Yeah, and I when we go to the we have a time share in Vegas And when we go there they that's what they give us they give us this modem plugs into the wall and boom We have internet for as long as we're there and it works really great fast and you know reliable and all that That seemed like crazy town to me now. That's like oh, that's just the thing you do But the idea of shooting this stuff as lasers Across to you know endpoints and somehow giving you up to 10 gigabits per second internet is Bonkers to me so bring it on I'm ready sounds. Yeah, and if you don't realize this We kind of assume a lot of you do know this already Facebook's internet org Organization wants to bring the internet to underserved areas and so the connectivity labs laser drones Would be one way of providing internet in rural areas where it's too expensive to run the infrastructure out there You could just fly a drone that can connect and then beam lasers down to a Base station and provide internet connectivity to to a rural village perhaps so take 10 megabits per second It wouldn't even have to be gigabits. That's how cool. I think this is give me even the crappy version now I think it sounds really really red. Yeah, and the fact that they could maybe do 10 gigabits per second It just leapfrog everybody else's mind. That's ridiculous Tuesday a judge in Brazil's Rio de Janeiro state ordered What's app? You're familiar with them They wanted them blocked for failing to turn over data in a criminal case What's happened sis? It doesn't have access to that stuff because that's how encryption works. It goes out It's encrypted. You can't get it back again hours after or sorry hours later The chief justice of Brazil's Supreme Court Ricardo Lewandowski overturned the decision saying the ban quote apparently violates the fundamental right of freedom of expression and communication unquote and This is the third time. What's up has been banned and has been unbanned on appeal Justice Minister Alexandra Day Morales says that the government is drafting a bill regulating judicial access to digital data in criminal investigations But encryptions encryption dude like either what's that keep saying? Yeah We the the messages are encrypted on the user's device We don't have access and the judges get really angry We're talking about this a little bit yesterday when the news first broke with Patrick that they must be interpreting the law to say Well, we don't care if you say you can't the law says you have to anyway So you shouldn't have designed your system that way and the attorney in general in Brazil Thankfully is saying that's a misinterpretation of that law. We are going to pass a new Regulation that will clear this up. But are any word is anyone worried that the new regulations would? essentially say if you're gonna make a service like this or or I guess they can't do it to existing ones But if you want to make a new chat app and compete in that space, you're gonna have to not have encrypted data No, I mean, you know, unless you just think they're all lying Which many of you do no matter who they are They're they're saying we need to draft a bill to stop this from happening the attorney general says no This is wrong. This is this shouldn't be happening. What's up shouldn't have to be banned constantly So what what they're saying is the current law is being interpreted that way that you're saying Scott and we want to stop We want to make it so that yeah, if it's encrypted and that's fine and the company shouldn't get in trouble for that Yeah, and hopefully no more court cases where they demand it and then are told once again that hey, it's encrypted. Yeah, right? Microsoft reported their revenue yesterday 20.6 billion and earnings of 39 cents a share well above Expectations is the part that people need to be aware of Microsoft doing very well 20.6 billion compared to revenue of 22.2 billion last year But this year it's an earning of 39 cents a share and last year they lost 40 cents a share Drag down by losses connected to the acquisition of Nokia. I remember they just spent a lot acquiring LinkedIn So they're acquiring things and yet revenue turning around revenue in the intelligent cloud business rose 7% But the star of that show is Microsoft Azure Which is their hybrid cloud technology which rose a hundred two percent year over year The productivity and business department grew 5% year over year reporting 23.1 million office 365 subscribers And an announcement that Microsoft Dynamics accounting and sales product lines are going to combine into one Dynamics 365 brand Dynamics has about 10 million customers personal computing revenue fell four percent partly because of The fact that windows 10 is free Partly because phone revenue was down 71 percent But the bright spot was surface devices revenue in the surface devices section was up 9 percent over the last quarter And finally xbox live reports 49 million monthly active users. Not bad. Um, that's across 360 and everything though, right? I assume xbox live. Yeah, not not limited to a not a platform, right? Um, what's interesting about this is I just feel like I'm watching Microsoft slowly morph into the into ibm And by that they're you're talking about the greatest gains in areas that I think average consumers Do not know what's happening with azure. They've never heard of Microsoft Dynamics accounting They like this stuff to them is completely french. No offense patrick But they but but yet these are the the big growth areas And so I just wonder over the years if we're going to see them slowly continue to morph Into a company more like ibm where they sell off more consumer division stuff Maybe focus on one or two. They're doing well for them Give the xbox one more big try next generation or something Uh, but but in the end they end up being more of this big services company That's behind the scenes and powers much of corporate world and not so much, you know consumer demand. That'll be interesting I think yeah, there's there's there's several different directions. They're going with and tinvec asked a good question He's like, wait a minute. Those Nokia losses were written down, right? They were just writing down the cost of buying Nokia and yes, that is correct So a year ago they were just giving up and writing down an acquisition All I was saying is and this quarter they're spending a lot on a new acquisition How is linkedin's acquisition going to work out? It's probably going to roll into microsoft dynamics Which they're trying to make simpler and more streamlined But the idea of saying oh like I have my my crm system for context and now Connected to linkedin and can get all that information. That's pretty compelling Which could be good for linkedin, which may be stagnating a little bit depending on who you ask And certainly would be a jolt in the arm for dynamics and again cloud services, right? There's there's the intelligent cloud with microsoft azure and all of that sort of thing Which is taking off for microsoft But there's also this bet that not not everybody was sure about with microsoft office becoming a subscription Program that seems to be taking off very well as well. I the only other thing I would add I like names. You're aware of that Microsoft dynamics if you didn't know the name microsoft sounds like a fictitional evil corporation That people are trying to get the secret plans from or something. What are you trying to say about general dynamics? It's the dynamics part. That's what's throwing me over the fence Well, general dynamics is a real military contractor in the st. Louis area that I grew up with and so every time I'd see one of those tv shows or movies that would say such such dynamics I'm like, oh it like like general dynamics except they're evil It would totally fit with you know skynet and all the other ones we we think about when it comes to this Google a name that will probably always sound a little goofy no matter how evil they ever get No offense to google lovers. I love google. I was just kidding. It was a joke plan where it's google has They've used machine learning algorithms from killing google machine learning algorithm That sounds like the company now From its deep mind division to cut energy consumption in its data centers by a whopping 15 percent That's actually pretty sizable. It's real-time adaptive system also cut the cost of cooling by 40 percent That's huge actually a white paper on the system will come from the deep mind in six weeks Google believes it could also work well in large manufacturing facilities or even energy grids Which is kind of a cool idea google intends to roll the system out in its own data centers by the end of the year So this is a new business for google And it's a new way to leverage what they're getting out of deep mind to say, all right Let's put this algorithm to work on the bottom line Everybody's trying to figure out how to save money on energy with data centers facebook's doing some great work in this area as well So and you know apple's always touting its greenness in its data centers So cutting the power cost is pretty impressive and having an adaptive system with machine learning that could just look at How things are used and be able to change the system to save money Is not only great for google, but google can rent that out, right? That's what they're saying like hey power grids Hey manufacturers, wouldn't you like to save a little money on your power bill? We can help you with that Yeah, and it sounds it's reminds me a little bit of the buyback power thing that apple was talking about with their new facility And all their solar stuff and I like I like it when big companies with the biggest market caps Decide to figure out ways of uh improving in these pretty sizable ways and if they can squeeze it into also a business plan hats off to the To their to the smartest people there because I think it's a great idea Yeah, and I one of the other reasons I think this story is getting a little more take up and one of the reasons I like it is it's machine learning not doing something impressive like playing go Uh or or you know doing something that makes everybody make all the terminator jokes Uh, it's it's something that's like got a real world tangible thing that we can all understand which is saving money on energy Hey, uh, thanks to everybody who submits stories participates in our subreddit. 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That's our top stories And let's get to this modern farmer article They have a write-up on a growing movement in nebraska by farmers to get the right to repair their own tractors Now it's not just farmers in nebraska that care about this But there's a little momentum going on there If you don't know we've talked about this on the show before digital rights management lockdown Protects software on tractors from being tampered with that means that if a farmer Wants to repair his software on the tractor and a lot of times knowing what's wrong with your tractor means accessing the software You have to go to a certified dealer and get it repaired which can take time which farmers don't have a lot of sometimes Or you have to break the law and if you want to fix it yourself You would have to circumvent copyright protection and thus violate the digital millennium copyright act Even if you want to take it to an independent repair shop that's not from the manufacturer or improved by the manufacturer You'd have to break the law. They'd have to break the law now exceptions can be made to the dmca We've seen that happen before for say unlocking cell phones at one time The the library of congress gave an exception said yes You need to be able to unlock your cell phone So you get to circumvent copyright protection in that case there have been people pushed for an exemption for repairing tractors We discussed a 2015 letter to the u.s. Copyright office by john deere That argued that no you shouldn't give them exemptions because they don't own their tractors In the words of john deere they purchased quote an implied license for the life of the vehicle to operate the vehicle What so that tractor eight years and we talked about that on dts as well I own my phone less than they own their tractors then is what you're telling me even though Yes Yeah, yeah, no the terms of use are pretty pretty bad on your phone To the point of this but john deere just came out in this letter to the u.s. Copyright office. Oh, no, they don't own the tractor They want a license to operate the tractor Anyway, many are lobbying for laws to force manufacturers to make diagnostic tools available to repair shops and owners We've talked before about the movement in new york to have a right to repair bill for phones particularly iphone And and and apple products which sometimes can violate your warranty Sometimes can can cause problems if you try to repair things yourself There have been all kinds of controversies about that So the nebraska fair repair bill has been referred to the agriculture committee for study over the summer It lost a little bit of momentum in the spring But they're going to try to get it reintroduced in the autumn nebraska farm bureau is right now neutral hasn't taken a Distance yet and the reason for that is some of the members don't want to hurt the dealerships They're saying look equipment sales isn't big right now A lot of these dealerships only get their money from repairs If you take away their monopoly on that they might go out of business and we'd have to drive even farther to get our tractors at all Uh and there and there's some people saying well What if the software on a tractor is modified by the user and then they sell it and it doesn't work very well Yeah, it's a I mean What a mess is it weird that i'm also feeling a little nostalgic for stories like this where Uh legislation isn't necessarily about Who hates who and who should protect who and all this other stuff And it's just about a tractor and whether a guy owns it or not like there's something I like about that Yeah, and and and it and it's it's salt of the earth right because it's about farming But at the same time it has implications for anybody who uses devices these days that have become more and more complex to repair And more and more restrictive terms of use over what you can do to repair them Yeah, and also then so I don't I don't usually like using the word slippery slope or the term slippery slope But but it got me to thinking about this washer. I just purchased we had to buy a new washer the old one died Been around forever. So we got a new one and the idea that I couldn't Go in there and check for myself why I think that weird noise is happening Or couldn't replace uh the heating element my on my own Is bothersome to me. I mean it may be that I want someone else to do it I want their expertise or whatever but the idea that I would be forced to do that or I would be breaking the law if I didn't Uh breaking warranty is one thing but breaking the law. That's different, right? So so me me breaking my iphone open and saying I'm going to add a thing to this and mod this deal and it breaks the warranty fine I know what that is. I understand that that's a company who made me do that But if apple said no, that's illegal, you know, that's like pulling a tag unauthorized access I mean theoretically this is a stretch I know but theoretically if john deere owns the tractor not you and you access the software without their approval You're breaking the computer fraud and abuse act for unauthorized access of a computer Right now just because they say That you have they said here implied license for the life of the vehicle to operate the vehicle rather than you own it Just because they I think a court might have a different opinion about that Yeah, I was going to say that's a definition that they're just throwing on there that isn't because if that is held up If suddenly a court goes. Oh, yeah, we agree actually well, then that's everything Well, yeah, all things this bottle of water even even short of that uh, just the idea that Software is moving into everything If the internet of things and smart home takes off as companies hope you're going to have software Controlling everything and one of the nasty things that john deere's doing and by the way Passenger vehicles don't have most of these same problems passenger vehicles have dealt with enough of a strong independent repair infrastructure That there hasn't been this come to jesus moment like there is with tractors, but uh They they put a system in place that says okay, something's wrong We have the software that can tell you what's wrong So you have to go to the dealer to find out what the software says is wrong Then you might have to go back to get it repaired at a later date I mean, can you imagine if that's the way the internet of things worked is like who the sensor went off in the basement? I'm going to have to pay the sensor maker to find out what it's saying is wrong I don't know if it's too much humidity or mold or what I mean, I like the idea that the the the drm argument has moved to large farm equipment Uh, for some reason I find that great on lots of weird levels But uh at the same time this has so many implications for people and I really hope what they come down to is something like All right, our industry evolved differently. The car industry got lucky They have an infrastructure and a margin in each sale of each vehicle that allows for independent repair and allows for For you know smaller shops with small owners who can fix your Honda and be You know authorized to do that or have the wherewithal in the parts and whatever And they still can keep their margins good and they can still make money per vehicle That's great. But here in the farming world. We didn't do that John Deere did not put enough padding into whatever they're making them per tractor To accommodate for the possibility of kind of this third party approach Whether it be users or it be smaller shops So can they just be transparent and say here's how much we make per tractor? You know that big thresher you bought that's how much we're going to make that's how much we currently make If this is to work we're going to have to charge this much more and then farmers can go Okay, we understand the margins are terrible. So bump that up now. We're everyone's good Although no one's transparent. That's a great idea, but it doesn't help the local dealer You know, it doesn't help bob who's who's been a great friend happens to be an authorized dealer Why should he get punished? I mean and that is a fair Concern about this is to say like well, wait a minute. Will this will this undermine These these local dealer shops that aren't part of the big company, but they're authorized by them Right. Well, all I know is I don't own a tractor. I am super dumb when it comes to this kind of stuff I would love it if a listener out there somewhere Is listening to dtns got him. Yeah in his tractor right now And wants to like totally key in on this and I know you've gotten calls and stuff about some of this stuff before But like somebody who's really affected by this I would love to hear that point of view because I I still feel like I am biased toward the end user in this case, which is the farmer And I and I don't know enough. I guess to give the other The other side's more credit and it just feels like a ripoff to me feedback at daily tech news show.com We don't care if you're in an international harvester, although it's probably really old at this point Or I could make my other farming joke nothing runs up your bill like a deer Nice Hey, let's get to some messages of the day agent the b-man wrote In response to Me giving voice to some people like well pokemon go is not really augmented reality. You should stop calling it augmented reality It's not true augmented reality age of the b-man says I disagree with people saying pokemon go is an augmented reality It is an ar at its fullest, but it is augmenting reality ingress is too It's putting digital things into the real world pokemon gyms portals, etc Just not all of them are visual Even with the ar switch turned off in pokemon go It's still an augmented reality gave in my opinion. It's just not your visual reality. It's your physical reality. Yeah, you're Yes, I completely agree with this and the standard is not say Well, let's go from what magically promises or what hollow lens currently delivers as our new standard for what everything should be When it comes to ar you're you could be the minorest of things I can sort of see a thing on my phone that isn't really there in real life But because i'm positionally here it's telling me it's there that is enough to call it augmented reality It's enough to see a pidgey sitting on your plate at dinner and capturing it To call it augmented reality. I absolutely agree with agent the b-man We also talked about the 10 terabyte drive from seagate yesterday And I you know mentioned my predilection for wanting to store all my data on my laptop hard drive And hoping those 10 terabyte drives come to the laptop soon Bill burlingame from huntsville is a man after my own heart. He writes I have four four terabyte plus drives One of those drives is nearing capacity with recordings of old movies And I don't have a spare drive to back them up the other drives are also used for video recordings and for backups Yeah, if you're getting that full, I don't know. I don't I'm not near near to that I think I've got probably Eight terabytes right now that I have access to and I'm maybe using four But I can't even believe I'm using four so As much as I say, I can't believe he's filled up that many four terabyte drives It's probably just a matter of time for us I think you know I think it's a really interesting question like when do we hit The level of storage that we no longer catch up with and I feel like Storage is getting a little bit farther ahead of us than it used to be and it was slowed down by the switch to solid state But frankly, it's it's now at that stage where I remember taking all of the folders off of my HP pavilion I'm putting them on a new computer in a folder and being like Uh, maybe I shouldn't keep all this stuff because I have all my floppy disks copied in here And it's it's taken up a big section of the hard drive But I kind of want to keep this stuff That folder still exists and it's just like You know, if I if I do disk inventory x it's like the barest little half of a box On there and it's become like well, I've got these I've got all these dropbox files You know, I've got like 500 gigabytes of dropbox files and I kind of want to keep them locally cashed all the time Just as a backup So I need a terabyte hard drive because I've got other things going on as well with apps and everything Uh, and and so I feel like myself maximizing the amount of space I have in my hard drive and then maybe I can afford a two terabyte next time and then how How long will it be before 4k video comes along and start I start filling up that drive But it seems like I'm able to last on a particular level of storage longer than I used to I totally agree with that but I and I'm also I think a little bit opposite of you I found myself drifting away from worrying about space as much and and I think that's people have I think Well, yeah, and I think so too. I think it's a general trend. Well, why is that? Well, I used to worry about how much space my music would take I don't anymore because I use streaming services and that's it. That's how I get my music I don't care about having mp3s anymore locally on a drive The only exception would be show stuff or something like that But when I'm just wanting to listen to you know, led zeppelin, I will stream it That's also true of you know apps and software installs I'm using google docs for nearly everything I would ever have used office for And while people are still using office a lot of them are using office 365 And that's I mean you download your google docs locally as a backup, right? Yeah, I do. I have that, you know all part of google drive But but but all of that being said it just feels like my footprint has lightened Yeah, and and I don't think about it nearly as much as I used to I used to constantly Just think about it all the time And now I used to always be going through and like weeding out temp files and things to free up storage Now I do that maybe once a year. It used to be once every quarter. Yeah, I maybe I'd even argue It was maybe monthly for me because I was seemed like I was always running out. Oh, yeah There's a certain point. It certainly was for me. The only exception for me is my gaming PC where You know again, everything's digital and we're pulling from the cloud But we're not the cloud isn't where it's lives that it still lives on hard drives So I tend to fill that thing up way too fast Outside of that though, like just kind of productivity wise That's getting smaller and smaller and also, you know, we're using desktops less and it's Tablet phones and notebooks and I don't know. I feel like I have moved with that trend I don't know the last time I bought a disc for anything including these maybe a blu-ray here and there And I have network attached storage if I was smart I would just take all the cold storage stuff and put it on network attack storage And that would be the end of it and I can always get it when I need it But I don't know. There's something about just having it on the laptop I agree. There's that and then there's that time like even me. I'll be doing something go. Oh, I should have that file right here Yeah, right and it sucks that we can't maybe we'll get to a point where We'll have some quantum leap in storage and it won't matter. It'll be the cloud is us We are the cloud the cloud's everywhere. It's on our drive. It's whatever it is and it's all accessible all the time I don't know what that technology is We'll save that for a forecast segment on current geek one week, but But that's the utopia where we just don't have to worry about megabytes anymore. It's just stuff that's there I look forward to that Well, that is it for this episode of the daily tech news show scott johnson. Thank you so much Where else can we find your fine mind at work? Well? 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That's the fourth ingredient I can't remember but it's not like they used to be where there is like dozens of hard to pronounce names in it You're right. I'm into that Well, a lot of that was to uh keep it natural. I think is their equivalent of that. Sorry, roger. Go ahead I'm sorry. A lot of those extra ingredients were to give the consistency throughout the entire jar Yeah, stop it from separating and stuff Yeah, I actually buy a natural peanut butter that that it's kind of a pain because you have to stir it up at first But it's so good and it just has peanut butter and salt. That's it Wow, I could do that. Yeah, that sounds really good right now I like this number one voted one right now john d r.m You should be probably there's a john jare harvesting profits through dr. M No, cyther for you japan Not sure Oh, got it See dmca deer making copyright assumed Standards john d r.m john deer in the headlights Oh Farmers want dear john letter with john deer I like dear john. Let me fix my own tractor How about a tractor tractor hackers versus contractors? Not bad It's poetic. I like this long one. You'll never use it, but I like microsoft is completely french. No offense patrick Microsoft is completely french. This is some comment I made about What was it? Oh, I said all these uh all these turn all these like IBM stuff where they're all like Common consumers. I have no idea what they're talking about and I said it's all french to them and then no yes, right Okay, got you, but I just know I like sound of it Farmers to be on the right to fix their own dang tractors. That is do the point It's a good one John d r.m is winning Yeah, that one's a good one My only concern is I wonder what our title was the last time we talked about john deer when they sent the actual Uh letter to the copyright office. It might have been john d r.m It might not have been I have no idea but Barring any Definitive proof of that It's pretty good. I'm gonna go with john d r.m. John deer hactors Hackers Oh, that's really good too I made that up hactors dear hactors It's such a dad joke though Like h a c t e r s tractors, but with hack in the front. Yeah john deer hack tours With a zero and a z Ha John deer can't be the only one that makes agricultural tractors. No, they're not there's a big one though Hell there's a skin and overwatch where uh junk rat skin is is based on a john deer tractor Oh, and by the way, peds, uh, thank you for doing the footwork for us d t n s 24 76 john d r.m So there you go So john deer hack doors it is. All right All right, I'll take credit for that one It's pretty late. It says tv c got it. It's pretty late Hack doors e c o and case tractors. I know nothing of agricultural equipment Other than like the combines and stuff they used to weld for ffa Yeah, future farmers. Yeah future ffa Uh I gave peds the the credit because he was the first one I saw but i'm seeing the bio cow and another j martin Uh, how also dug it up All right, w scottis one found it. I think w scottis one might have found it first In the dc tv pedia That's right fantastic Uh tv z gone a pigeon in your plate is worth two in the hollow lens. I agree with you So true so true as my daddy used to say Yeah, it was the old that old chestnut. Yeah chestnuts Chestnut butter is roasting Actually, have you ever tried almond butter? That's pretty good. We have some so good You know what's good? There's a banana with almond butter on it. I mean, it's just peanut butter But we're made with almonds though, right? It's got a different taste. I get that there's not necessarily better for you or anything No, no, but it's an actual nut as opposed to a peanut which is a legume Yeah, the dune basically a bean Jimmie carter was basically a bean farmer George washington carver did not What did he do he invented the event when he fed it for all the peanut stuff Except for peanut butter peanut butter existed before he was bored. Oh Roger that's racist and he said well if peanut butter can be made. I'm gonna make all this other stuff Yeah, you made a like a what do you call the needle on a Whack cylinder thingy Oh stylus We had a peanuts. You did you peanut shell You did really? Yeah Nutella is hazelnuts Yeah, but it's also delicious because they put chocolate in it Yeah, like why don't be more people put chocolate in things because then they wouldn't be really healthy for you I mean you could put it. Why chocolate isn't bad for you. It's good for you Well, chocolate. Have you tried raw chocolate without the sugar and all the other stuff? I like like 85 90 chocolate though Yeah, I know Well, we think in the eat moley lots of moley And besides the sugar is in there whether you've added chocolate or not. It's a good point So I went upstairs right before the show. This is embarrassing, but I'm gonna admit it I took a fork and I gouged a big hunk of peanut butter out with that fork and then Went into the nutella thing and gouged an equal portion of nutella You're a professional on the same fork and then I ate that before we did the show I was gonna I was gonna be like I'm right there with you brother because I I have that jar of of peanut butter That's just peanuts and salt. Yeah, uh, and it's delicious I don't know what they do to make it work, but they make it work great You don't need any sugar in it And I will sometimes just go grab a spoonful of that like just to get me by as a snack But man putting the nutella on top that's that's a pro tip right there Your Reese's fork is what I made I never I never stood the fascinating. I you know, it's not for us good Good you you carry the type 2 diabetes I'll carry the type n I ran this morning. I I justified it doesn't mean I justified Just fine Thank you, reyland Oh, man. I missed that show It was in the glass the whole time All time It was all right. She says it was already in the glass You talk to an a-hole one day. He's the a-hole. If you talk to nothing but a-holes all day, you're the a-hole What if your job is to just talk to a-holes all day? What are you trying to say, Roger? I know I know Are you an a-hole for trying to provide for your family a roof over their heads? Seriously, right? I got dogs to feed their bellies I got to put food in there that isn't fast food that doesn't have Isn't nutella on a stick? I'm amazed they haven't had a mick nutella Don't they have a wait, which is the fast food restaurant that has a sriracha? burger I think I think I could be wrong about that. That might be carls jr I'm amazed no one has done a nutella product I bet they have we're just either forgetting it or missed it Nutella sundae I remember when I thought nutella was this great foreign substance of of intrigue like it wasn't it any If you'd buy in america it was exotic. Yeah, it was like It's gone the same route as toblurone. Yeah, right. It was like, oh, I told the road now they're everywhere Yeah, man, they're kind of terrible. I don't like I like toblurone. Okay, but they're not as good as I thought they were You liked it because they were like, ooh exotic. Yeah, it's triangular Yeah, and there was a mystique to him like, oh fancy british people eat these on steeds or whatever Steeds like horses Uh, no the only one I really always hankered after was the cadbury bar with the raisins in it. Oh, yeah I love that. I still love those I like arrows too And the british Or canadian kit kats like I don't like the way. Oh, yeah American kit kats are gross. Well, it's two different companies, right? Kit kats domestically are one company and all the rest of the kit kats in the world are But but american kit kats used to taste like the british at least very similar They they corn syrup versus sugar, right? Isn't that the main difference? They changed the formula around the late Mid mid late 90s or something and they just got like, you know, where do you leave it in the car? It just melts Yeah, yeah, I can't stand that well Sound clouds take a little longer today. It misses the morning stream. So it's Depressed I had to put up a different show and I noticed that too. I thought it was still my internet But it was pretty slow. No, it's it's the processing it uploaded fine It's just taking a while to process Because you know, they go through and they look for negative mentions of soundcloud and they remove them from your audio Now what's going on Notice did you notice it now? pulls the album art out of your id3 tag You know embedded stuff in the mp3 and uses it so you don't have to upload art No Mine's doing that now Mine's not doing that because I've forgotten to upload the art a couple times and it put the wrong It took my album art from the account and put it in And I'm like, no daily tech headlines doesn't want to have a dts logo in there. You dummy Yeah, it's pulling. So I'm doing it. I did it again just to test it It's pulling like I just put hypothetical help and it's pulling the art from the mp3 And I love that. That's pretty nice. I don't know. It's only a couple clicks, but still I don't know why I've done Why that's not happening Yeah, I don't I don't know how why I'm so so blessed today. Also, my snapchat didn't get the bitmojis. Oh Even though it got updated GNC or rnc. Yeah one of those nc's lnc gnc Can't stop saying it's a nutrition place gnc Why I keep doing that The grand old It's a grand old c. It's a high fly I get g o p and rnc mixed together. That's what it is. Well, those are the same Yeah, grand old party in republican national. Yeah, I think that's where I get the g in the r Ah, got it dnc r o p You know me Who's down with opp rnc Or put dnc if that's how you feel it's fine Whatever I don't know where did that donkey come from I don't remember. I remember. I used to know this. I looked it up. I can't remember anymore. I don't know. That's my favorite thing You've ever asked me though Where did this donkey come from? Yeah, where did the donkey come from? What the heck? What is it doing in there? Weird now the now the now the link isn't showing up in the rss feed rss Hey Come on link bad also links are slow. Yeah My file I just put up loaded quick. It was about 35 minute hypothetical help file, but it's Yeah, the processing took forever and now it's taking forever to show up in the rss You can always tell when they're having a weird day Today it was a bad day Come on. Come on. Come on. I've been watching Justin Earlier he was in his caramander suit But at the same time giving some of the most intelligent Well articulated commentary That you know, and he does that he's really good at that does it on this show Like juries, you know people think oh is there's smack talking night attack man, but you get him in like he can be Oh, he sure can be Um, but you get him up there, you know talking about real stuff like that and suddenly it's like this Whoa, but he sounds like he knows more than this other cnn guy I just heard and and often does but Hearing him do that while he's in the charmander suit Is just about the most weird thing i've seen today I know I would not be able to pull that off. I don't think I couldn't do it. There's no way He's so aware that I was in a charmander suit the whole time. Yeah, he's uniquely qualified to do it Also, it's hot in cleveland and gross So yeah, I hope that the dry cleaning bill for that charmander suit is reasonable I thought he owned that he does. I think he bought it. Okay You don't want to all in on this pokemon go thing hoping that it will the trend will support his ability to wear that at public places Oh, okay, finally showed up. I think we're fully published. Yay Uh, I hope you don't have to run too soon scott because after this I just wanted to hit you up for like two minutes You're totally fine. Yeah, let's get uh, let's get off the stream Thanks everybody for watching and listening. You guys are the best. We'll see you tomorrow with chris ashley Bye everybody