 interesting, it's just what happened. Because, ah, damn, I can't remember his name. But the guy who made one was the director of two. And I think he did Brotherhood as well. And then he left Ubisoft. And so revelations in three, which I guess you could bundle those all together as like the original plan kind of ended without him. And I think it's safe to say that that guy had a pretty significant influence the way that those games turned out. Because then again, I do like revelations a lot. That game's super cool. And so it's been like a full circle conclusion for Ezio and Altair. But yeah, three is like, I was so excited for the three was that was before that was a game that probably should have turned me off of preordering. But it was until destiny that I realized that I needed to stop. Damn, I was so excited for that game. And then you spent like the first five hours playing as this different dude. It's like, it takes like seven hours to get to the game that was advertised. Yeah, I don't think ever made it there. Because you did the did the prologue where it's like, Oh, no, you're not in this class. And you're a Templar. Oh, my goodness. I was like, that's interesting. And then it's five hours of a tutorial. And I'm like, I just don't, I don't I don't fucking care about snare and rabbits, man. I'm I bought an assassin's creed game. I, I could not fucking care less about cocoa I'm out in the woods. I really just do not give a shit. Assassin's Creed at that time. And I think even now it feels like feature creep. There's so much there's so many of these things that they've added in that you can do that I would never want to do. Instead of just focusing hardcore on the stealth and even the ship sections, you know, is revelations the one where you stab your girlfriend or is that brotherhood? Uh, I revelations was the one in Constantinople. I remember it was like, you know, when you find like the missing McGuffin and then the alien is like, I'm talking to you, player, the player in the game, stab your girlfriend. And I was like, what the fuck? The aliens want me to be an incel. That was brother, that was brotherhood. Okay, I was like, this is silly. Well, yeah, because it feels like the modern plot started to get really lost in the weeds. The problem is probably too, I didn't care about the modern, I didn't care about Desmond or the modern plot at all. I was just like, I'm done. I don't think anyone did like the whole the whole animus thing seems pointless. Just it should just be a story about like, you know, you're Etsy or you're whoever I mean, I can appreciate the effort to try and contextualize it like in some kind of universe why this is happening and to go for some sort of broader story, but it feels like whatever idea they had was lost by the time that we get to three, because I remember I distinctly remember that three was an incredibly disappointing ending, just like kind of hit a brick wall. And and I think after that point, they just kind of gave up on the modern story, they still have it as an element. And if it was like, either commit to doing it or just get rid of it. But then again, Assassin's Creed was probably never meant to last forever. But you know, it's like they're mad and it's going to come out every year every couple of years. Well, yeah, it seems like this. Well, now isn't the thing that they're making a live service Assassin's Creed game like next year. I hate life service. I won't buy it. Well, what does that even mean? A live like a continually developing online multiplayer like Assassin's Creed game? Oh, yeah, because Ubisoft really wants one that can ask Creed Momopugger. I don't think it's going to be an MMO. It's going to be like what it's going to be what Destiny and the Division and these types of games are. It's like, well, the problem is that for every you only need one live service game to like blow up to justify basically continue continually. It's a reason why I kind of get annoyed when people talk about these things where they look at them. They'll look it's like, ah, see that one fail. That's like, yeah, but Call of Duty Warzone makes like a billion dollars every three months. Like everybody wants like a warzone. They want warzone. They want Fortnite. They want like that's the reason why every major publisher is investing. And yeah, you can keep failing, but you only need one to do really well. And then then you're good. You got permanent money like forever with very minimal investment. Well, not minimal, but definitely smaller than developing a brand new game. Oh, plus, right. I remember liking the multiplayer for Brotherhood. Did they still have multiplayer in Assassin's Creed? They had it for a time, but I think after like Unity or Syndicate, they dropped it. I thought it was really cool as well. It was super unique. Yeah, I just I don't know how you can make like a like it's it's very contained. I don't know how you can make a Fortnite like this goes on forever. I don't know that it's going to be like that. Make it co-focused, maybe. Maybe. Yeah, like you get a group of assassins and you congregate. Well, like, like Destiny, right? There'll be like an assassin in the headquarters. Or maybe it'll be like the live service part is that it is in the modern world. And then like, you use the animus to do missions so they can have missions in a variety of different time. That's that's exactly what they're going to do is they're not going to restrict you to one time period. Hey, we're adding feudal Japan. Hey, we're adding Rome. Hey, we're adding, you know, oh my God, it's perfect. Except I hate it. Assassin and a healer assassin. Maybe different. Interesting. Tank assassin. Yeah, one over legs. It's just a giant loud suit of armor down the road. Just a tank going down road. But no one thinks anything is like, oh, that's just a tank. Oh, no, it's an assassin tank. It's got the assassin cloak on as well. It like when you're driving in traffic next to other cars, it's like when you're in a group of people, like graze out and you're like, at the end of the end of the barrel, there's just a little knife that goes ching ching ching. It takes out of it. I'll stab you. I'll get you good. Hello, chat. How you doing? We're live. We're ready There is no Adam. People already asked me why isn't Adam here? It wasn't my fault. I asked if you could come on. Okay, it wasn't my fault. Mahler is not being honest here. He's like, Sitch, I want you to come on and don't invite that fucking asshole Adam on. Look, his opinions on some things are a bit weird. That's all I'm saying. But no, we totally wanted to be here, okay? He's just, he has better things to do apparently. My God. So rude. And as for Dev, he'll be coming, I think, right? Yes, two hours from now. Dev shall be drawing us, which obviously, as everyone should know, two hours will not be how long the show is. So you'll be fine. One more thing before I can introduce what it is we're even talking about today. Halo and its first episode released. We would debate whether or not we would talk about it now. I think, Sitch, do you have any consideration or care for Halo? I know nothing about Halo. In that case, I think it would be smarter for us to talk about it on Wednesday. We will give you guys a big old chat about how fucking awesome and good that show is. Yes, it is so good. I can't get enough. I really liked how they drain the oxygen out of chief suits and knock him unconscious instead of just locking his armor. And of course, this is all because he defied an absurd order, an absurdly evil order that he would never follow. And then they had to remote control his pelicans to get in. And then Dr. Halsey told the other Spartans to freaking kill the other Marines and they tried to kill him last to cheat. There is lots for us to talk about. He touched them all under artifact. And then it locked out all the power to like the city on reach, except for the suit that he's wearing, which is mechanical, and the pelican, which it somehow restored power to. And don't forget it didn't fuck up the other Spartan suits. Exactly. Well, or anything, or any of the electronics, presumably in the weapons, or just any number of things. There were probably some people in hospitals on that point. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We don't think about that though. But I mean, hey, it's pretty cool that a forerunner artifact that was made 100,000 years ago is somehow able to interface with modern human technology. That makes a ton of sense. Yeah, just so we're clear and there's no confusion chat, Halo is fucking trash. It's really bad. And it's not just that it's a bad adaptation, which it is, which is a terrific adaptation. As someone who doesn't really know the arguments or how to how to rate it as an adaptation, I thought it was fucking garbage as a sci-fi show. Yeah, it is something that I have been pondering over the last day is an observation that has become very amusing to me, but also a little bit depressing. Halo, when it came out, wasn't like that unique in terms of a lot of the things it did. Like Master Cheap as a template wasn't very unique at that period in time, like a, you know, a stoic, man a few words guy in a suit of armor who just is a hero and helps people and saves the day. That wasn't that was very common back then. Now you would honestly be doing something very unique if you had the main character of a show be a man a few words who always is in a suit of armor and emotes purely through interacting with people. And it's just a good guy who saves the day and doesn't really introspect that much. Like that would honestly, wow what the Mandalorian was supposed to be. Yeah, but I mean man, oh yeah they took off Chief's helmet in the first episode. Yes. And the reason I took it off was because someone was putting a gun at him and he took his helmet off to try and make them not shoot him even though he's in fucking the only armor. There is a lot for us to go through for why it's terrible. Sorry, this thing is absolutely ripe for being ripped apart. There's virtually nothing good about this show. I mean, I guess there are aspects of like the props and stuff. Some of the props look good. Some of the props look good. There is one shot where they forgot to paint the plasma pistol though. Like you see it, the plasma pistol is a gray piece of cardboard because it was meant to be a visual effect I guess and they didn't notice. And the CGI, off the CGI sometimes. It's a lot of wonky CGI, yeah. Yeah. The animations. And honestly, without, we watched the first episode as a, it was us three, right? It was, yeah, yeah. So we could easily have, it could have been recorded and it would have made a pretty good mini I think. From how fucking awful it was. Oh yes, absolutely. Yeah. There's still no real intention to do that, mainly because I've got nobody who can edit those right now, not myself. There may be other plans though. Oh yeah, we're probably going to have some form of, well like I said, at least Wednesday you'll hear us talk about episode one in much more detail. I don't know, it's just, I don't know. This end game video, making some good progress. Yeah, it was pretty bad. Anyway, we're not here for that today, we're here for something else. Oh no. Something that happened, I don't even know when this all, I need to check Jay's upload date for, God, this saga, it's so long, there's so much history, where do I even begin? Fucking idiot Twitch streamers got upset because YouTubers realized what their racket was and was like, you know what an ethical this is, you piece of shit? And then it was like we went through this before years ago and then Twitch streamers were like, but I want to be lazy. Stop being mean. That's literally what happened. Yeah, that's a good number, right? That's exactly what happened, yes. And so Jay collected all the things that happened at that point and then said, did like a stream satirizing Hassan and then said, I'm gonna make a video, but Jay had other videos to make and then eventually got around to it, put all the pieces together, made the video and three streamers who we're gonna be looking at in this arc. There was probably more that looked at Jay's video than three, but the three we're looking at are three people who reacted, let's say, to Jay's perspective. And when I saw them, because I saw some pieces live, because I just heard about it happening, I was like, oh, this is terrible. And I look forward to covering a leaf app several years from now, because I had so many other things to do. This was before or at least during, I think, Boba Fett. And then obviously the Batman and Arcane, I think, they all got in the fucking way, unfortunately. Well, I said, you know, it was nice when Arcane got in the way of things. Arcane was neat. That was nice. It was a nice little brief. Probably enough, the only thing that anyone should recognize are relevant for in relation to me or Sitch, is that I was on you guys' stream commenting on his debate with Vorsch on something, right? It was so fun. I was wondering, I was like, I could have swore we covered him, and I don't remember what it was about. And now you're saying, you remember? I remember. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was me and Duma. We were on the stream with you and Adam, and he was debating Vorsch on consistency in ethics or principles. And remember, Vorsch is basically saying like- Was he taking the correct stance on Vorsch? Also, he was taking the correct stance. Yeah, he told Vorsch that it's important that we actually hold people to the principles they claim to have in Vorsch, so it doesn't matter as long as the principles are good ones. Wait, wait, I was there, wasn't I? This was the consequentialist man stuff, right? No, the consequentialist man was destiny in Vorsch. Okay, who was this with? Our relevant in Vorsch. Okay, right. Vosh simps for Hasan an insane debate featuring Duma and Mahler. Yeah, that's it. That's amazing how you remember that. At the top of your head. It's amazing how I googled it, but it's amazing how I can spell the words with the buttons on my keyboard. And so that was like my only exposure to the streamer, our relevant. And I thought he was he was fine, pretty neat. He says a lot of stuff. I've seen a little, I've seen a couple of clips where I saw a funny one where I was talking to a guy who was who was like screaming at him just constantly. Well, we also, he also was he like constructed a little YouTube show, I think of laughing at Hasan when he said that Andrew Ryan quote in favor of socialism. Oh man. That was on the multimedia medley. We showed that. So yeah, I only had a good impression of him. But then I saw his reaction to Jay's video and I was like, oh no. Oh no. That's retarded. Oh no. It's retarded. Oh no. And so there's no reason not to basically get started. What I've done over the past, what feels like weeks is tear up all the streams that are relevant to all of this and put them in an order of the things that we can actually respond to cutting out all of the useless crap. Now, there's a lot of useless crap with Twitch streamers. Okay. They're not quite the same quality as YouTube streamers. There I said it. I'm super racist. Whoa. There's our you've got bias. There it is everybody. You found it seems to be a distinct difference between the Twitch ecosystem and the YouTube ecosystem in terms of, I guess, an approach to a lot of things. You could say that. I would call it there's a difference in pride in your work. Well, do you wonder if there's anything because like I wonder what pride in your work means. YouTube just more strictly enforces a lot of things. Like true with regards with regards to copyright for sure. Though admittedly YouTube is a lot more friendly to, I guess, different perspectives than Twitch. I guess it's I guess it's an interesting sort of combo, isn't it? I've been surprised with how fucking lazy the lot of them are. Let's just put it that way because I don't typically watch Twitch streams outside of Metal, Fringy and a couple of others. And they all do it the way that we do it on YouTube is there's no difference. These fuckers self-proclaimed Twitch reactors mainly specializing in politics. Holy crap. They could do a little better. Just saying. Is the problem that they do it every day? And so they're just so constantly coming up for as someone who has at the point for the past like year has been streaming almost every day. I don't think that's an excuse. I mean, I mean, I mean, Metal Metal streams every day. Yeah, pretty much every day like the last month and he's managed to continue to just be playing Elden Ring and doing his own thing without doing. It's insane. Mal hasn't even stolen a single video. I don't understand. What? I'm so lost. Impossible. Wow. How was that? Yeah, I guess that would be I was not dead. That's the thing you probably emphasize right now in terms of Is he not eating? Metal, if you need help message us. We can talk about this. We can help you. Save you. We have good doctors. We can get you some nuggies stat. Okay. Oh, yes. So I've been dramatically unimpressed and that's before I heard the arguments. Holy moly. So I figured we do it in order of severity, starting with the least controversial and offensive in terms of coverage. It's like a journey through the circles of hell. It gets progressively worse. A little bit, yeah. Kind of. The first one, of course, being irrelevant. And so I made a supercut. It is 40 minutes. I've chopped out a significant portion of the coverage as well as just useless crap. And I've also cut in a lot of contextual pieces to help you guys understand just how piss poor his coverage of Jay's video is. And yeah, this whole thing is kind of frustrating because Jay's video was pretty good. It was quite good. I liked it quite a bit. Not only was it really good at making the point clear, it covered all the kinds of counters you should be able to come up with. And it was incredibly civil. It didn't have to be in it very civil before. Before we proceed, might it be worthwhile to, I guess, give the TLDR on the topic? I suppose, yeah, if people are completely unaware. And this is like the first hearing of any of this. It's it all starts when Jay makes a video looking at a house that's really fucking weird and Jay commentates on the whole house, edits together a video that's got the standard Jay video. A son reacts to it by not reacting to it at all, plays it for a stream, goes away, makes food, comes back, eats the food and has like two comments or three or something like that. And that means that the whole video basically just entertained Hassan and his audience while he was having food. This is not cool. There is actually, I was about to say there's no difference, but I was actually, it's like, no, it's worse than Jinx because Jinx would actually react to the whole thing. He just didn't react very much. Yeah, he basically just smiled, giggled every once in a while. And when also, Hassan didn't credit Jay in the tie. I don't even think like the title was visible on this on people to see. You would be forgiven for thinking he went out of his way to make sure Jay didn't get credit. Well, he does. There's that one moment where Jay starts to promote the channel and the future of the videos and Hassan quickly like struggles to get the video stopped and off screen. Fuck that. Next video. And you'll be surprised of what our relevant has to say about that section. In fact, most of this will probably be pretty surprising. How amazing. I'm so excited. I think the perspective would be like, how could he possibly have an incorrect thing to say about that? It's like, oh, you'll find a way. There's a bit of a you might call it bias because Jay, by going after Hassan's sort of, you know, operation is committed severe collateral damage against a lot of Twitch streamers whose bread and butter is literally this sort of reaction style. And so a lot of people got upset and they feel that they do this thing. And I've been trying to point this out more and more as we go. But online argumentation, this just, I don't have a word for it. I feel like someone will coin something eventually. But people just dig for motivation immediately instead of addressing the argument. They just instead rush to why you're doing it. And that reason being nefarious. Yeah. Well, you're because this on the political spectrum is because you were something that. Well, so rags, it seems that a common interpretation of why anybody does anything in the Twitch ecosystem is clout. It's clout. It is typically that you once clout. You were doing things to get eyeballs and attention. So wait, are they going to say J's like a Nazis? Is that what you're doing? No. They'll say we're Nazis, but not J. Oh, yeah. Yeah, not J. Of course it does. It does, you know. I guess on a matter of the principle in question, I guess the problem is it gets wonky because it's like, it's both law and principle as far as I'm concerned on this one. But like, when you create something, you know, when you gain copyright for something that you've created, that gives you, that makes it your property. It's yours. You made it. It belongs to you and you have the right to decide how it's used. Fair use is an exception to this general rule. The idea being that if you transform something enough to where it is not the original work by critiquing it or like parody or educational purposes that then you can do, you can take that work but then you've essentially turned it into your own thing. That's like the idea at play. This means that there's really no question about whether, like it's not, it doesn't matter whether you watch someone's video on full and then they get a bunch of views from it. Doesn't really matter if they're like even cool with it. The starting point is that you need to ask for their permission or alternatively you need to transform it. That's it. That's it. That's it. If they're cool, they're good for you. But like if they're not, you know? You're forgetting one thing though that Hassan and all of the sycophants, they're all communists. They don't believe in private property. Okay. They have a very inconsistent view on property and it often has to do with is it mine or is it someone else? Right. Someone else's and it's really for the people. It's mine, Comrade. It's ours. Yes. But if it's mine or if it's my money, well, Andrew Ryan all the way. Andrew Ryan is basically a socialist. All art should be open source. Do you really believe that? All art should be open source. That's a very... Damn. No. Fuck off. No. If you draw a picture of a stick figure on a nap, can it belongs to everybody? It's our stick figure, Comrade. That's ours. I'm just very all art should be open source. I was like, fuck no. No. Fuck off. I made it. It's mine. I mean, if you want, if you want no artist to ever be paid ever. Yeah. They have a hard enough time making a living. Pay them and clout. Come on. Pay them and clout. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I retweeted you, dude. Yeah. See, someone said frigging your door is all ours. No, I see this. No. I think you can't be trusted with it. This is why this is why it's important. We have Mahjong, Tiddlywinks, chess. Well, so, you know, like the point of copyright is to essentially give intangible stuff, like intellectual property is to make it property in the same way that, you know, physical things are recognized as property. That's like the point of the system. And the general idea. Jay's videos are like a tangible property, too. Well, I mean, the videos exist, but it would be the idea that copyright is what means that like creative works are sort of recognized as people's property. That's like the system for it. And the whole idea with property generally is that you have exclusive rights against the whole world to enforce, like as you please, it's your decision how it's used, distributed, unless, and I feel like that's the important thing to preface. It is an exception if you do fair use. That is the exception to the general idea that you as the owner have the right to do with it as you whatever you want. And anybody else who uses it that needs to ask you, unless they transform it. And I guess an interesting thing that I think comes up in the relevant bit is there's this perception. I think there's something that like some of these guys struggle to understand. It's like, what do I do if I've watched it in full and I haven't transformed it? It's like, oh, you just screwed up. That's it. Yeah, that's you realizing after the fact. Oh, I took something that didn't belong to me. We don't have to do much preamble because every possible argument will come up. We will go through them. No problem. The only other thing I just wanted to add was that it like there's all the law reasons. But as Jay puts in the video really early on, just don't take the piss. But they do. They take all the piss. All the piss has been acquired by these people. I feel like it should be. I have no more piss left. Because of course there is the whole copyright. There is the whole the copyright and fair use and everything like that. But I mean, the reason why that exists, I feel like it should be a pretty easily identifiable principle. If you make something and then someone plays it for their own audience and gets all of the benefits afforded to that work with none of the effort put into creating that work. You know? Yeah, and you didn't even have to mention anything to do with anyone benefiting from exposure or anything. Because why the fuck would you? It's unethical irrelevant of that. Well, yeah. Even I think I think this is the another important thing. Even if someone would like play your video and full on a stream and you got like a million subscribers like that. You could still not be cool with that as a principle because yeah, it's your it's your thing. I guess it's good. I made a million dollars. But like, I mean, you could be stupid, sure, but. So you guys ready? Hit it. Yeah. I guess we're ready. I think I'm leaving the cringe. Yeah, that's the name. So I think I play a little bit of Jay's video for context. And then it just runs into just just we hit the ground running with our relevance arguments that I want to respond to because I was trying to make this as short as possible. And this is like video one of three. So yeah. Reaction to this weird little 10 uplifting stories video. They add their own jokes and commentary. Even if you'd already seen the video they were reacting to, you'd have plenty to gain from watching their reaction. It's a different piece of content now. We go. Nice thing time. Yo. Writing in style. There's something doing. Fuck that kid. I probably should have included yeah, this is called 10 uplifting stories. This video they're watching. Cripples are funny. Yeah. It's a great one to react to because it's just bizarre. It's like what the fuck is this? Reach for this. And uplifting stories. Child in chair. So House is exceptional and the whole cast clearly all understand that reaction content is something that requires effort to do properly. Now that particular style is by no means the only way. They just make jokes. What? What? What a great start. Yeah. He just made jokes. Oh, dang. So yes. Well, he's saying that confused almost like what they're just making jokes. It's like, yeah, that's enough. Well, because Jay described them as exceptional and I guess our relevance taken that to mean they are they are an exception in how they do things. They are that good. And I think Jay simply means they're really good. And a lot of people are really good. And the way in which they are really good is that they make jokes. There are many ways to be good at reaction content. And it's so weird because he talks over Jay basically saying this and then doesn't catch it. Plenty of reaction people make jokes. Yeah, I was going to say being for some low effort reaction. So that's with tone and pressure. And he's not in the best way to go. He's putting here. He just made jokes. You know what you said? Yeah, he did. He did. He did. Oh, this is a joke. He did. He did. He did not. Jokes. Have you guys did you guys see the what's that old movies in? Like a stop or my mother will shoot or something? I haven't seen it. I assume it's one years ago. Is that like perfect for like if that movies or is it not? I would I think it might be. But I'm not sure. I've seen a lot of parts of it. It might be. I don't know. I mean, I was worried that that movie got memory hold and it just disappeared into Sylvester Stallone's filmography. I wonder what his brothers up to. Frank Stallone. Wonder what he's doing these days. Action people make jokes. I don't understand. Now that particular. You can hear his breathing this labored after after he just sort of learns that he just understood. You know, all that that brilliant commentary requires a lot of CPU power in the brain. So it is not right. It's like, hey, you are a performer. You could like perform just a little bit. You could. Yeah, you could. Yeah. So I'll play what he cut in half just so that you can see what Jay said. I don't understand. Now that particular style is by no means the only way to do reaction content. It's a very diverse medium. I don't get it. This person shit on a song in this video. Essentially they just reposting something. He had the correct opinion. They are anti low effort reaction content and seem to have never looked past the son beyond the interaction they had personally. I don't think I've come to learn about Twitch reactors as they do not give a fuck how much weird shit comes through the microphone outside. I was about to say goddamn like the ambient room noise his breathing in between. Yeah. So those of you in chat get ready for a lot of these sorts of things to grab all day. It's very and this is like I don't want to hear that man. And it's like oh well. No. You will hear it give me money. God. I keep coming back to have some pride in your fucking work. I beg you please. I want to hear your words not your mouth. Beyond the interaction they had personally. I don't think Hasan has low effort reactions. Instead of making jokes. He's one of the worst. Well don't worry guys because I have cut in a previously on our reactions to the Twitch fucking sphere in here. He talks about politics. It's not just his reaction so like everything Hasan does is low effort. His political arguments are bafflingly simple. I don't know how people can keep making this claim. He's a guy who pauses loads. It's like why do we have these examples? When we cover Hasan we have a joke because when he uploads videos to YouTube you can tell he'll say like one sentence and you can see there's like three cuts in the sentence. Yeah. Watch it live. It's because he'll say like three words and then just stop and then say like another three words and then stop. It takes him so long to finish a single sentence. What confuses me about this here soft white underbelly first off can relate but also is he a pimp at the moment or is his pimp name is ATM. Or automated. What? I thought soft white underbelly was his pimp name. I think soft white underbelly might be I don't know. Maybe you're right. I think I think they call him ATM in this interview. Oh now now I've just got an idea of a dude wearing like a very elaborate colorful coat but it's an ATM. Let's just walk it around. Pretty cool. Like he's or literally an ATM which is being interviewed. He's got his hat in his pain. He's a very stylish pimp this ATM. Oh maybe an ATM got like struck by lightning and Dom DeLuis becomes the voice of it. Yeah. And then he decided that he wanted to be a pimp. Exactly. He becomes a pimp this ATM voice by Dom DeLuis and it can dispense money out of its dispenser and so it convinces ladies of the night to go out and turn tricks so that you know he could you know get you know it's I want to see this movie. This is what I would like to highlight as a pretty clear example of how you can transform stuff. We've only did it a couple of seconds of this particular dream here. We saw it. We saw a couple of minutes and we went on a couple minutes now. Move the idea about Dom DeLuis voicing an ATM that was struck by lightning becomes a pimp in Chicago under. We are struggling to make our points over each other chat. Can you see this? Something that you will notice as well is that there seems to be a lot of resistance to the idea of react harder but you should react harder like yes because we need to transform something. Yeah. Like I don't know why that's such a way like just react harder. It's like yeah just drive in the lines instead of going off onto the curb and crashing into a wall. Like yeah you should do things that like that actually transform your content. Yeah. Because if you don't it isn't transformative and you've screwed up. That's it. You should stay under the speed limit. And it's like but I need to get home. Right. Yes. Well then you have a choice for me. You need to stay under the speed limit. Just drive slower forehead. Yeah. Yes. I don't know why that's a thing. Just do something forehead. Yes. All right whatever. And tell me about your Yeah. We would have seen this a while back. This is just a reminder of how much not only that this happens but how much content gets the siphon is a way that I suppose you could use. Down in the brass shit. We walk down to the short amount of time. Oh he's gone. And see I think I've sped it up enough that you could never say that we are reusing this content. You know like. Right. This is this this transformed on its own. So I'm going to take you on a sightseeing tour. Oh look you guys remember this one. Take HQ. Hold on. I'm going to be back in one second. He paused to tell him that he's leaving and then replays purposefully clicks to play it and then leaves. It's amazing he knew to pause it when he said I'll be back in a little bit and then unposted as it's just right before he left so it could play purposefully so that it could play while he wasn't there. Oh we'll get all the reasons for that right. All the defenses for that in these videos. Sure we will. Like come on man. I don't think Hassan has low effort reactions. With no health insurance the job doesn't offer it and our former places aren't available if I get sick True. And that man's store it never stops being funny. It's really funny. I can see it a million times. It's beautiful. It will always be funny. Here's a compilation I put together of everything everything that Jynx says over the course of did you guys enjoy that? like you don't have to do that you don't have to what are you saying react cleaner react prouder if I did so distracting he would be terrible at hide-and-seek walk into a huge room you can just hear the distance like you the breathing and he just five of us are you found me again dang here we go what were those words that he said I don't even know I don't know we have to sacrifice them because they just here's a compilation I put together I want to hear everything reaction to this compilation you ready here we go I don't know have we got any translators in the audience who can help is anyone speak mumble I don't know I don't know about that one just yeah in case you don't pick it up J made a compilation of the amount of things that Jinx did when watching ASDF movie compilation just to show how little he does to be fair the ASDF movie compilation and shit is very hard to have like critical analysis of because they last like five seconds I don't know we got it we got quite a bit out of your mouth noises about a minute long and also I would hasten to guess that when they were creating ASDF movie they spent a while going through all of those jokes and trying to refine them to the shortest amount of time possible that's kind of the gimmick like plenty that you could talk about that and that's not an excuse if you're not something that's super was hard quote unquote to react to well that that was the choice that you exactly right if like if I watched a video that was talking about I don't know like something that was completely that I know like lacrosse and I said nothing it's like that's my fault for watching it there is so much wrong with the argument it's like content fault number one you don't have to provide critical analysis you can talk about why you're laughing you can talk about who created this and why you can talk about the medium it's a fucking animation much you can say about an animation we recently did the cocaine it's no frigging speaking speaking of lacrosse do you know lacrosse is Spanish I didn't know that that is that is something he yeah there you go gosh right to transform in a theoretical video that free failed to transform so yeah so you got that aspect secondly there's so much you could say whether or not you're critical analysis thirdly if you fuck up and you can't say anything then don't put it out there and also you probably apologize and then make sure you credit where you should where you can but like all of this is garbage it's like an attempt to try and rationalize this just because you have nothing to say about animation right I find it so hard to believe there's nothing to say apparently dishonest argument because I mean there are plenty of videos people send us they're like oh you and Adam to cover this and I watch and I'm like I just agree with everything they're saying I don't really have much to say so we don't cover it and you know that Jinx only covered this because you know oh he knew that ASDF movie in the title a good bunch of clicks like it's not because he's looking for critical commentary to add you know his insight in the world yeah he yeah that's basically it yes you it is not an excuse for you as a reactor as your job right to say oh that was too hard for me to react to well don't react to it tough yeah tough titties I don't think this is the greatest display if you want to like show somebody not react because what am I supposed to go like oh big text oh gun funny man that's uh wow what what is this big text gun funny what are you doing up the llama cops at the dough word soft white underbelly represent at the moment because I'm pretty sure I remember enough of ASDF movie I think there was like a thing where he says hey look up there and he's like or like it says gullible on the ceiling he's like oh it's right ah you stole my lungs it's like okay you can talk about how that joke was constructed you know like you can talk about everything a lot of your expectations twice a lot of work right gullible on the ceiling absurdity and unexpected and yeah just just things that you don't think are possible are possible and it's all with the characters in universe reacting to it as though you almost would at least a lot of that time um it keeps you on your toes that's that's that's the whole style and then of course you could talk about what did he make it with it's like and then we could we could probably tangent off into oh guys you remember working on pivot back in the day remember that these would have inspired a lot of stuff like that and he said you're like you can talk about large words yeah it just feels like I don't know man it's animation there's so much you can talk about even though it's a minute long it's probably it was something that would have taken months at least weeks probably months to create if they it no way that several of the jokes wouldn't have an underlying point possibly to be drawn out of them too that you can talk about you could talk about how do you think that it works better with or without color yeah and with how ah man i'm just getting because like with how long it would have taken to make it and then you just watch it and you get all the utility from watching it but none of the effort that it took to make it and somehow you look at that like yeah that's chill come on and he's like oh this is a bad example it's like no it's a perfect example because even you think that you should just steal it because you can't do anything else with it which proves the point you don't understand it's not even about whether or not you can react to a thing you shouldn't be if you can't compact door oh horse exploding that's so fun like these are literally manufactured to be so fast that like you haven't what are you supposed to say all the stuff we just said just as a start what are you supposed to say you know that is a husband argument what am i supposed to say i'm sure that when tom sker made uh these he was like i expect to see zero comments because there is nothing to say i expect zero comment what is the good reaction all right guys let's go frame by frame let's go frame by frame okay here we go so we see as the particles of the horse start just see it it's so funny animation is the worst thing to try and mark exactly frame by frame what a fucking idiot why would you go to animation to say you can't go frame by frame what are you doing i already am like oh isn't it interesting how all the pieces aren't just copy and pasted they're all individual of the creature that's been blown apart all the little clouds they are different this is a how do you create motion how do you simulate dude why would you say this i mean what's going what's the motivation here is this just to defend money because he's like the daddy of bread tube or is this just because he has similar low effort content he's very i think it's he does the same stuff to some degree yes he's the king of it and if the king can do it on his golden throne then i think i can do it yeah then i can do it i mean it's a valid thing to do i mean his son does it and he's shockingly like a huge streamer so that means it's okay it's about defending the thing that they're doing right to give it legitimacy if you don't the house of cards is going to fall i'd probably won't fall eventually all it's going to happen i hope so yeah watching the wrong i mean how long before fox is like actually you know what can you stop watching buster chef please like how long before that happens and then it just kicks off soon i thought that already happened in well i i i guess it is more so that what it will take is like twitch actually getting sued will probably be the thing that prompts them or at least like the legitimate real possibility of it happening they haven't been stopped watching hell's kitchen but they have been stopped watching anime they tried to watch several shows several and i think xqc was one of them and he was like told this is copyright infringement you get bamboo i'm pretty sure his response was i don't give a fuck does does twitch not have the content id system youtube does no it's not as i have some kind of system but yeah it's not as cruel as youtube's and the youtube's has trained all of the youtubers to be very aware of all of this uh twitch one's so much more lenient to the point where you can just do whatever oftentimes on a stream if you nuke your stream after you've done it like they struggle to get the evidence they need to actually be like oh you shouldn't have done that meanwhile youtube you know we've said several times i can't even stream like some copyright stuff because the stream will just go down yeah i mean i've we've we've played videos on youtube and commented on them and still they give us flak for it it's it's unreal and they realize the twitch streamers that there's some holes for example if you played like a movie in full i think your stream would be taken down but if you're playing a tv show there are some you can just get away with because they just don't have the content id system applied to it and hell's kitchen is one of them we will see that that's foreshadowing folks you'll see what that's all about at some point later um but yeah it's just funny to to to really bring this home right if you've responded to someone's political take or whatever in vlog format he's pretending as though going frame by frame in that would yield more results than doing it in animation funny it's a complete opposite but all right yeah integrating like this is not like you're not gonna get the high end top shelf shit here is that because of him we already know he's watching we already know what i think the high end top shelf shit we already know that we're the high end top shelf shit yeah we are top shelf react content like and subscribe click the whole thing is just like like there's already so much to talk about he can play like i can't be i can't be dealing with reacting to each astf movie joe hard is to find them it's like are you insane you didn't look at you you actually didn't look you made that that's a lie i know what that is that's a lie that just how yeah how funny it is that he said it and then you could debate whether or not you think he's just trying to lie or if he's that idiotic that he just like believes this or he typed in the wrong thing and couldn't fight you misspelled astf maybe but uh i wonder if you can tell what point i'm making right now yeah i've sped up jay just enough that i don't think we can understand what what he's saying is if we did we'd be paused already talking about what he said because we have stuff to say i know like our relevance background is shit yeah he's complaining that jinx doesn't have enough to work with commentating on the asdf movie but he's not commenting on jay's argument at all here he's just even though there's all the references i've been to yeah even tom scott himself talking about transformative stuff in relation to astf movie and people the copyrights that was like nope got nothing to say about any of this and you know for a fact he would if say for example you played just one portion of this was jay saying um it should be considered unacceptable to just simply steal someone's video i'd be like our element what do you think about that he's probably like um uh no no no he'd be like um i'm sure he'd have something to say is my point he's just he can't be asked to speak right now he's yeah whether we would be able to understand him would be a different thing someone what's amazing is that means that somebody sat there as he did nothing and was like this guy this is the content i want more of this i gotta get more of this shit how many fucking times have i come across this when they don't say anything for ages until they go like a resolution i really worked hard for that one i'm gonna savor it it works so hard so jesus if you remember say something i mentioned jay saying something about taking the piss i feel like it was taking the piss yeah like does it need to be said that like say a word you bastard if if a video gets played in full on like a stream with little to no commentary why would anybody go to watch the original video they've received yeah this is it they have received the video in full why do you not feel shame for doing this where is it bad like if i'm watching a video stream in like 30 seconds goes by without a commentary i'm like fuck i feel bad yeah your brain notices like oh say something say mouth mouth mouth down there do something are we here otherwise just watch the original video then to get subbed boy oh it'll become so clear as we go forward exactly why they do this that's the whole point of why transformative is a thing that you you can do with other with stuff that isn't yours it's like that's why it exists because you can transform something in such a way that they're getting a new experience because of what you've created whether it be through the rate the commentary whether it be through the way that it's chopped up and edited that's come on just want to highlight so the chat laugh my ass off this happened to jay again on a video about it happening to him the rabbit hole it is exceptionally uh reacting and i guarantee you if i relevant we're in this school right now he would get incredibly angry and defensive after seeing this part he'd be like what the fuck at least he'd be doing something trying to take in the video i'm watching it god you guys are crazy we're like pause it every two seconds you don't know what they're talking about god we are crazy not so do you think he'd have a moment when talking to us eventually looking up in the top right of the of the stream screen and being like every frame of um you guys are crazy for part of your work relies on you uploading other people's content then you better make sure that's not all you're doing otherwise re-uploading other people's content it's fine to do that if you have permission he's like not even noticing anything he's like the person that you're talking to and you're like yep uh well uh someone who can't pick up on any social cues you know like an artist like like you're a you know you've had a fun night and your friend's still there and you're like oh i'm probably gonna head to bed now and they're like cool yep getting real tired wow it's been such a long day and they're stretching their arms and they're like oh did you drive or did you did you did you walk here yeah a new pockard series i heard that's really good yeah i guess i guess next time you come by give me a yeah we'll do a thing next time you're over the next uh yeah next time that you are here yep because boy i am tired i feel like i could fall asleep right now and then you guys know that's uh do you guys know where we get the expression to give someone the cold shoulder i don't i don't know well back in the day uh back in the day whenever somebody was overstaying their welcome the hosts would give them a a shoulder of beef or pork which is generally not like a good part and it would be cold they wouldn't even heat it up just sort of just tell them that you're overstaying your welcome and that you should go ahead and leave interesting i think you you may have told us this before but i completely forgot okay so would they just randomly give them a piece of meat or is this it would be for like a break it'd be like a for breakfast or a meal or something like that okay yeah they'd give them like they would just like grow a random cold shoulder of an animal just hit them in the face with some meat and they're like is everything okay oh yeah it's fine everything's great they just put ice on your shoulder and they're like give you the cold shoulder that's that's uh Arnold Schwarzenegger mr. freeze thing i'm going to give you the cold shoulder i think he says that i can't remember first one of his things but um yeah you know they don't pick it up forever and eventually just go fucking leave like that's what i'm trying they're like oh okay uh yeah it looks like jay just couldn't get through to poor our relevant here just no it makes yeah you wonder i wish i could be inside of our relevance brain just to sort of observe what is what is he looking to in his head what is is he does he know where he is i don't know man people always complain about swamp levels and dark souls and i feel like that's gonna be equivalent just like low rolling and poisoned and you don't want to do that it's not if you don't so let's take this back are you saying our relevant is the swamp levels of twin yes and you know what that'll be a compliment compared to the the next two people we will cover beyond our relevant i have received many previews for what's what's to come uh next to guys brace yourselves yeah and and it's it's it's really a matter it ramps up this this is the chill good reaction in a sense okay relatively oh no back to the golden rule how as a react content creator do you avoid taking the piss well i think that's as long as you're clearly trying it's fine look at that how good faith is jay bead right now as long as you're trying right jay you are there is being nice and then there's people then there's letting yourself be taken advantage of the funny thing is rags jay could have been really mean and the reactions would have made more sense because jay's so nice and yet all these streamers fucking rip into him yeah like jay i feel it jay is very lenient um by comparison to how much harsher it could have been um because the whole thing of like hey i really don't mind as long as you shout me out or like that you watch it without saying anything and then and jay's like hey i don't mind as long as you just shout me out it's like that's more tolerant than you can be uh of that i genuinely believe what jay is saying here is that if someone didn't react for about a minute long and then paused and said i'm so sorry i can't like think of something to say right now i'm just so impressed with the video this video is made by blah blah blah i'll link it in the chat go check them out i'm just going to check out a little bit more and you know they do another minute and then they're like okay i just i really like this this is a really fucking i think if they did that jay would be like oh that's that's okay oh it's flattering at least and at least they sort of have realized what they did and they're trying to make up for it yeah and really promote it and like that's that's definitely something yeah ill intent here there is no like my bad i did my work yeah i got so engrossed in your amazing content that everyone needs to go check out right now link in the description here it is exactly that i didn't even notice it was so i feel like that's to to emphasa this was so easy for her it's on all the others just say yeah i screwed up here's a link to jay's channel i'm really sorry go check him out you know what i'm gonna like he might even go like i'm we're gonna watch another video but we're gonna pause and react super duper hard to this one to just give you an idea of how long like well thought out and cool the content is make sure you go check out jay's channel link in the description that's it that that's that's all it needed to happen yeah it was so easy and yet well dude yeah i think i think you're on or something in the if you watched all i think it's 12 minutes or 14 whatever of jay's house video if right if you said nothing but at the end made a big deal about who made it how good it was and where to find them jay would have been chill yeah probably this all implies the streamer cares and is moral and ethical and wants to do a good job and doesn't want to just put on something and stare at the screen and eat food um someone's it has to be a joke right this show is the only way i've experienced twitch and it's a millionaire that doesn't even show up to his own streams and a mumbling reactionist the caliber indifference to reactions of e-fap vices these people is going to be staggering this is not the kind of thing you guys will be used to let's put it that way oh adam and sitch sorry oh sitch and adam i'm sorry since you'll hear wow i'm i'm it is adam and sitch right i think so because he doesn't even show up because it doesn't even respect you guys i have to show up okay oh boy like we even we even arrange every time on discord before we go live we have to rearrange our icons alphabetically just so it sort of has some consistency to it uh but seriously though if you watch sitch and adam's show and this show like that's unusual if you watch which stream is reacting to videos as well it's it's a completely different experience and uh they will even they will even touch on why that is eventually too you don't have to knock it out of the park every time so long as there's clearly a respect and understanding there that you are working with someone else's content i think you're good i agree the chair is disrespectful but this to act like this is even honestly a a a trackable amount of time in every one of his streams is a bit like laughable not the point that's not the point even if it is if he's sitting if he was sitting in the chair and saying nothing it's still bad and it is trackable i tracked it and it is one also fits during jay's content i mean it doesn't matter if he does it regularly like yeah you can do it you shouldn't do it once it's just like i spend most of my time not muttering and you're like okay did you bit it you know get a gimme well i don't know why you're being so strict here it's uh it's weird that this argument even comes up at all but all right like in some of his streams he has like 20 minutes of this but in like most of his streams he's not like gone in some of his streams he has like 20 minutes of it 20 minutes that's the point where your brain goes oh shit he said that like that was a good thing he's fine it's only like 20 minutes of it well because they got the wires are completely crossed now they think jay's argument is getting up from your chair should never happen in any way shape or form and he's like wow that's so unreasonable it's so unreasonable that there should be a thing in your head that says that's probably not what he said exactly why would you think that's jay's point why would you think that's anyone's point of course you can leave your fucking chair just don't steal people's videos i demand that you do not leave your chair if you're going to leave and you're going to scoot your ass on that chair across the house to wherever you need to go i knew it for like an hour or two and it's just the chair to my knowledge um to my knowledge it could be the case but i i've yet to see any content where he is he has gone for such prolonged periods of time um well we've shown it here on you so yeah it's actually funny in a sad kind of way well and if you if you combine the him not being there and him being there and being silent i wonder what the ratio is well yeah because him being in the chair or out of the chair is not it's just funny that he's not even here but right he's in the chair and not saying anything that's bad enough well if you remember that's the reveal that everyone found funny right because we're all expecting to see clips of him just not reacting at all he fucking leaves you're like so i can't even judge his reaction he's not here like it's usually less if you want to make the argument he's eating a lot too like i don't know what to say for what oh what was his meme it's a fun meme it is one of the many good memes that are that are dedicated efap uh our our meme garrison has been creating for the war effort however you you do that see what i'm gonna do now is because i'm not the only person here i can leave to go prepare myself a beverage while you guys discuss the when uh what things and i'll be discussed things and memes we can discuss things and memes discuss things and memes and have a good time i'll be right back now let's just put an empty chair on screen we well we we literally did that for the 150th we all changed to chair avatars and then we played a jay video in full but the meme being jay knew about it and gave permission and it was all quite fun it would be really cool if one of these streamers found that and used it as like see they're just as bad they're hypocrites now i'd be like what do you mean that's like one time we're all the other times we're fine so it's fine mm-hmm yeah exactly um i don't know rags is gone there's nothing for us to do where it's gone yeah game over we have a video lined up that we can play until it gets back well you know i was tempted to cut in the stf movie like at least 10 minutes well not 10 seconds of it just to see 10 minutes of the yeah i know right that would fuck us over because we would spend so much time talking about it my point was just going to be to cut it in and see what we would say if we were watching it just just to test it but i realized no it'll be fine because we'll just comment on it within the video within the video that's all that's gonna happen but we did and we spent way longer talking about it than he did about jay's video in total so interesting to say the least i can hear the beverage being made i know i suppose those are better sounds and well yeah i do like to like these sorts of sounds right to you love it love it so bizarre why why would you have a setup that avoids that why just move away from the microphone a little bit man come on you can also breathe lighter you you can actually control it you don't have to do these massive heavy size react harder breathe lighter come on make up your mind this is they do that being unreasonable so like oh my god chat says we pause too much but then also says we don't react enough this is horrible i don't know how they survive i didn't snort my goo you don't snort it can you can you snort go i mean i guess you could but i'm not i'm not really sure what the utility would be there other than having a gooey nose which that can happen naturally you know so what's the point oh i want you to know this fringy i don't know why this is but on the unofficial sitch and atom discord whenever we play garlic phone if there's ever a drawing of anything that's green it will always end up becoming a fringy face well that that tends to happen on uh when we do it too it just seems like green it's the color that people like oh that's fringy he's obviously fringy if it's green our additional meme is that he always gets naked for some reason everyone just keeps drawing naked oh naked for well we'll add that i'll add that to the next time we see a fringy face are you talking about a um garlic phone drawing game garlic phone yeah he is often naked and a penised so you guys i was i was thinking while i was gone i wish that i that we had like muscles in our bodies that would allow us to like change the bore diameter of our urethras what so that yeah so you could like when you're peeing right you could really kind of relax and really open that sucker up so that you could pee real quick you know but then if you were gonna let i don't know maybe something else was happening down there you could choke it up like a shotgun and kind of tense it you can get a lot more distance you know to to what end to what end i thought it would should be obvious he reacts like there are so many ads to this there's there are so many ends of there's wow back in the before times when humans were evolving from primates and the hunter gatherer societies they used to often try to appeal to the females of their species with pee distance yeah and not just pee we'll we'll sleeve it there but just to be to be able to have that kind of control spunk distance absolutely if you you have that decision to be like are we gonna do like short distance but a lot more you know together or are we gonna go for distance and have the you know just go for it you like morse code you could get started and stop in it ooh so like a long like a like a if you needed to call for help quietly and stealthily as you were ejaculating have you seen people who do that really fast most code i think the issue with not with the penis with the hand in what way like tapping yeah yeah well they just like i saw a video yeah it's like the top reddit with guy who's like super old guy which makes sense i guess uh but he was like an expert with morse code and his hand was like fucking sonic the hedgehog it was just going nuts and i was like oh i want to see what he's he's saying it's not kind of defeat the purpose though like no if it's too fast how long are you going if you well i mean if it's too fast if it's fast but you're still clearly like it's all consistent i would imagine that it can get picked up yeah it would still be the the longer gap like there's still a significant difference between the short and long right you know well but here's the question i mean that only works if someone else is fast enough to understand what he's saying otherwise it's pointless i'm sure he understood it that's true unless there was unless it was being written out because like a lot of times you write it out and then it sends it out through on paper and it spits out on the other end so even if they can't read it as fast oh i guess you're right yeah it comes on a little ticker too sorry guys we gotta go back to our relevant what are we um what are we talking about here i was uh we didn't actually continue it without you right we managed to find a way to fill the time between you not being here and being here without playing someone else's video can you believe it i can i was just actually noticing that look at the cat you see that cabinet on the still image that part on the right yeah what's that what's that looks like you have you have the two sections where i assume you grab it at the bottom and open it up and it swings outward but then you have that that fucked up little growth on the right hand side which is just for like why why would you go out of your way i need an extra cabinet space right but it doesn't but it looks like the bottom of the cabinet is is angled no i know you mean it's hard to square it away and you had well i think it's if you look at the perspective of the shot it's like a bizarre slope i because you see how like the the refrigerator is like not straight like there's a fun weird fisheye lens some weird yeah yeah there's like a weird fisheye lens happening but still it wouldn't it wouldn't distort it that much because generally with the fisheye lens you get in the center this is the house picture so it's probably combed up maybe two because look at the the fridge looks like it's duplicated so i think it's doubled up the cupboard i don't think that's the way it's supposed to look oh okay you're probably right wait why is that so if you look at the top of the fridge it's like duplicated yeah it looks like it's stacked right i think it's just a matter of how they did the photos and this one fucked up a little bit probably but what was is that really two sinks or is it just like i don't know that's distorted or something i don't know what's going on here well now this house became a little less interesting what if the two bathroom the two toilets were just one and it was a screw up an optical illusion i think it looked like a pretty clean photo but you could be right yeah it's not even really a house anything's just double i prefer to believe that this world is a uh this is just a portal to another dimension where we have big cabinets through toilets next to it this is an scp house oh yes oh like come on i don't know what to say to you well it's kind of like how like uh like yellowstone national park is like an scp or it's like this phenomenon where like uh i i can't believe i it's i can't remember it but some of all of yellowstone national park is an scp and like no one knew about it and apparently it existed but no one just kind of like a wakanda sort of thing where no one just seems to have noticed that yellowstone national park was a thing like one day everyone was just aware of yellowstone national park and apparently it was there the whole time but no one knew about it right is this a true story no all of this is bullshit so confused talking about well yeah how it's an scp you brought up scp's that's why i think well no like there are real places like there's a place i went to called the mystery spot and it's like i don't know why like gravity or something works fucked up there and this is like a real place oh it's like a real scp a real i was curious what he actually said that comment on sort of rolling back oh are you gone for such prolonged periods of time um it's it's usually less than that if you want to make the argument he's eating a lot too like don't eat a lot i i don't know what to say to you i well i wouldn't know what i've got plenty of things to say about that stream i don't know i've actually consumed food whilst on a stream before so i'm an expert in this subject uh have you guys ever done this many times wow have i ever consumed while on stream yeah have you ever had anything to drink or eat while streaming before in your entire existence no dry yeah well oh i meant i do my streaming like i do my sex i i just there are so many things you can do but apparently he's completely unaware of any of them other than leaving and then playing someone else's video that's just the only option maybe we'll get more information on that as we go 30 minutes every eight hours 24 minutes so it's 24 minutes every eight hour stream i i don't think that's ridiculous if you're stealing 24 minutes of content that is ridiculous and we never know no dimension ratio it was never about a ratio yeah something i do like though is how we've ignored if you are the person who had your stuff stolen in that 24 minutes like to you it's every it's all yeah like yeah for oh why i didn't do that to other people it's like oh thanks buddy thanks i suffer i lose because you felt like how does that i can even work it's like you get your stuff stolen to get mugged and then you're like well that guy didn't mug everybody it was just you i mean she's only a thief like 10 of the time so you know it's okay i think that is fine it's not well it doesn't matter whether it doesn't matter whether you think it's fine it's not it's just not and you shouldn't think it's fine i don't know where you got the argument from like as if someone said he does it too much in general it's not about the act itself for any particular person it's just the general ratio of time he's away from his dream okay that's the problem i have is like nobody said this what are you talking about no this is not an argument that jay put forth but maybe gosh maybe jay should have repeated himself and uh like just make a video twice over just loop it again just in case you don't understand i'm just gonna put it in our in a little pin board that we've got evidence now that jay would probably be worth while repeating himself you know just just just a little bit of evidence there maybe this is why he does he didn't respond to any of jay's arguments and then waited till they were all done to then just make up bs arguments i was gonna say i mean i don't we don't need to point it out but like that would be a straw man in an essence responding to a point jay did not make it's too much pot i i think 24 minutes every eight hours is fine of a time it's not no yeah you don't be a free it's not it's the nature of the afk yeah it's not like your employer who has to give you 30 minutes of break every eight hours you're employed that's not how this works noop you just you pause it before you leave that's you click a button and pause it before you leave shouldn't be the opposite of it was on bid basically not be this difficult i'm not it shouldn't yeah i'm not going to the bank on that one this i don't know what that means but all right i mean that he's not like dying on that hill i'm not taking that one to the bank i'm not going to the bank on that one because i'm not sure about it accept it i guess okay like i i'm gonna go to the bank this payment might be fraudulent i see or perhaps this is a a a check that is overdrawn i suppose it could be all of those though you wouldn't know it was overdrawn until you go to the bank and attempt to cash it right he's tried to cash it personally in his own little head bank and it just didn't go in didn't go in i suppose so yeah that's how you could tell he is his own teller he is he's a teller at his own bank uh oh someone in chat said BRB screens are a thing don't worry we will get the counter argument to BRB i don't think that's true we will we will get a counter argument to such crazy ideas as a BRB screen whatever i mean madness i don't know what that is it's not like i have one no no nobody really uses those anymore there are antiquated piece of tech the answer quite like compared to just playing someone else's work yeah these these green chuckle fucks here are my BRB screen i was leaving whenever i want and i tell my screen just uh do a song and a dance play the symbols make those guys say stuff there we go yeah say things contemplate these things decide amongst questions tell them when the leaflet becomes a pamphlet i don't fucking know like negligible yeah like who like you're gonna spend in eight hours you're probably gonna spend at least a couple of those minutes going to the bathroom god forbid you have to take a shit nobody made the opposite point no yeah i was talking to you don't get to play someone's entire video because you're you get stuck in sideways and you're taking double time like you don't just get to do that it's not an excuse i mean do you want him to die to not be able to bathroom you explode all the we all we do know is not his full of shit so nice hey oh the biggest flex you can do is when you have not one but oh side by side hold up hold it wait wait wait someone just someone just sent me a meme and it's it's only gonna matter to like the fringy and moller but you remember when we were watching halo and i said that thing someone just sent me this meme oh i wonder what they would be referencing other than the thing that you well um i don't i can see it i can see the vibe it's it's a weird thing to say but i can kind of get the i can see why you connect them i can doom was better i wonder if doom is better like unironically doom which will when did that one come out 2003 five five five doom 2005 with the rock dwayne the rock johnson is better than halo the tv series i'm not i'm pretty sure about that honestly i am i am legitimately pretty certain i will you know what i'll do i will take that to the bank i will take it to the bank that doom 2004 five three is better than halo the tv series there you go i'm fucking doing it fucking doing it let's go banking now i can't quite remember why i'm playing this context clip before whatever comes next i'm just gonna replay this in case you have not one but two fucking side by side bathrooms you know what i mean no not really no i really don't know what he means by this i'm not sure okay this person is just this person just doesn't like a son that's that's just what this is because man right so clearly that is so the sentiment that hasan had is it's a flex to have two toilets next to each other now i don't know about any of you in chat i don't really think that's a flex to be honest i mean in the sense that i i understand what he means by that like i this is totally unnecessary and stupid but i'm gonna do it anyway because it just like cost money well i feel like there's gotta be a limit on that for flexing there has to be some kind of flex yeah because what is what is you don't go to like a rich person's house and i'm like look at all my bathrooms next to each other it's more like an industrial situation it's like the outside of a flex if i infused excrement into all my walls in my house i'd be like that was really difficult and it was a lot of money to pull that off how if i was out of for a flex it'd be like no it's not a flex you're just a fucking moron here however if you buy like the most expensive car in the world and it's known for breaking down a lot i'd be like yeah i i get why yeah you got a lot of money yeah that one makes a lot more sense to me and it's funny because there's a cultural element here as well like if we had met someone who's in their culture the more shit you can balance on your head the cooler you are if someone walked up to us with that that's our that's our culture to some degree yeah um but we would just be like oh that that's a flex you're like yeah so i don't know someone if i went to someone's house they're like hey check out my bathroom and i look in there's two toilets next to each other just like yeah i'd be like why the fuck do you and my head immediately goes to like uh-oh what are they what is this for like oh no oh wow you have a lot of money the the hole you have a lot of money thing doesn't come into it really all that's happened here as jay said i don't get it and then our relevance be like ah nah he just hates the son man talk about a leap well so that's a massive leap this is the thing so conclusion i know what has son wanted to try and get across i don't think this would be considered a flex it's kind of just creepy and strange hence i think jay's confusion like how is two toilets a flex and so that's so that you can poop alongside your beloved yeah like when a couple say we do everything together they mean everything together it's just like a mid joke that jay was like what and that's that's the interaction and it's totally fine to say i don't really get someone's joke but our relevance decided this is evidence that jay is like big mad i mean it makes sense to have two toilets next to each other because toilets are such a valuable commodity uh uh bring you what do you think i i i feel i feel like there was a point being made there and then we just sort of went back to the toilets again i mean i mean about that's fine that's all right that's fine we should that's fine it's all right if you you know when you shit on him for saying two bathrooms instead of two toilets that you're down bad like what what so what so asan if you heard in the clip asan referred to two toilets as two bathrooms all right because you're americans and you do that no no that was just no no no no no they don't do that the toilet itself as he called it a bathroom because we talked about the like you have full baths half baths three fourth baths here but in america you are like you said i'm going to the that's all i know i'm yes but i just want to clarify the point when you guys you say you go to the bathroom right when you go to the toilet right yeah okay yeah that's that's it i'll just yeah yeah because toilets are generally in bathrooms asan just had a brain fart and pulled the toilet itself the actual item of the toilet a bathroom a bath yeah which is really funny but yeah jay points that out it's so funny and then our relevance like wow how could you do that it is funny yes and sometimes i feel like there's like a jump to defensiveness on all sides sometimes and sometimes you realize sometimes you can just be like it's chill i'm just pointing us to be funny you said that's all yeah it's like it's fine it's chill relax it's fun it's you said bathroom instead of toilet it's fine it's just a little funny it's all good saying two bathrooms instead of two toilets that you're down bad like just just fucking go about your business suppose about your business go about your business reacting to someone's content that is what he sounds really annoyed that um go about your jay did it it's just like but it's funny why wouldn't someone highlight that it's funny it is funny that he calls toilets bathrooms toilets are inside of bathrooms typically they're not the bathroom you go to the bathroom with the understanding that you will use the facilities in there and you're not going in there to play fucking racquetball people know what you mean when you say you're going to the bathroom yeah i mean that would be a flex if you had a racquetball court yeah that would be a flex like would you like to go to my bathroom psych it's a fucking racquetball court and wait what is what is racquetball it's when a racquetball court is you really not know i mean is it a squash court is that or is racquetball different from squash oh we see i don't know that's the water isn't it racquetball racquetball is squash yeah it's squash oh is it are they the same name okay because we it's right maybe it's like squash maybe it's like they're different uh racquetball versus squash oh let me take a look oh yeah yeah yeah yeah because they play racquetball in in angel and i always thought of it as squash when i saw them play it yeah you play it on the same court is that where you're in the same court and you're on and you hit it against oh so squash is racquetless is sans racquet you might say okay so people are saying that much like much like our relevance commentary it is sans racquet nice people are saying that there's a difference slightly that they're kind of similar kind of they are very similar though yeah because i well i was about to say something that might be stupid kind of like how softball and baseball are similar but not quite very similar yes we got rounders over here that's similar to that as well it's almost exactly the same i think there's slightly different rules or something but yeah i figure there are i the only thing i know about softball is the ball is not soft it is incredibly hard squash is a gay fruit rags it's not correct no that is a gourd a gourd is a gay fruit um what was it oh yeah the it's funny that he said go about your business when we're talking about toilet yeah go about your business and he sounded so serious like it's such a good little go about your business carry on move along nothing to see here just fucking go about your business supposed to be a joke a serious comment or a mix of the two is he trying to say reflect normally something extravagant and unnecessary and this is extravagant and unnecessary yeah yeah it's a bit weird why would you pick that's not weird it's weird that's not extravagant though it's weird that's like the first thought everyone has when they say two toilets in a room like why very strange it is normally going to the toilet and using the the poo mitt facilities is not a social affair you assume straight away that there's purpose to it like did you build like yeah because you can't actually you cannot accidentally do that really because there was a lot of pipe work and interior stuff I built too damn it yeah it's difficult to accidentally build an extra toilet next to another toilet if it's hard to do if someone walks into your garage and sees like a like a Ferrari and then they're like oh that's so cool if someone walks into that toilet they probably go out they're just gonna be like confused yeah you guys like should I use one of these or either is either okay or go back and forth between the two is there a difference between these two toilets that is essential is one a piss one and one a poop one that's gonna be now that would be a flex if you had a piss and a poop toilet and they would label that a piss toilet also known as a urinal are you right no no no it's a whole toilet oh just piss if someone walks into the toilet yes if someone walks into the toilet we call the toilet room the toilet often there is a toilet room specifically I think that room had a bath in it as well so we probably call it a bathroom right did I have a bath in it I only saw it too does it have a bath in it it's a really weird room I think it actually has a urinal in it as well are oh that's just a fully featured it's a fully featured like they try to be fair in a normal bathroom into like that's that's the thing you could assume about it but what I would the thing puts a question in my mind is like what how did it end up with only two toilets in a urinal when you know like those rooms typically have a whole set that lists the wall or something but like it's fine maybe this is a house though they're trying to what did it be a larger did it used to be like a larger uh facility like it used to have stalls there do you think they have cubicles and they removed them yeah they were I you could say they were uninstalled so now you just have the two toilets next to each other which because if you went into a toilet room a bathroom if you will with many of them without stalls it would just be like this is a really strange room what what probably happened is that this is a normal house and they're trying to repurpose it for this use of multiple people being a pooping in this in the bathroom and they're not going to like change a normal room and like put all the plumbing in a normal room to make it like a larger normal bathroom well it would make more sense that it was designed with multiple toilets in mind because of all the plumbing and stuff that you have to do yeah to have that bathroom but I would imagine they uninstalled or didn't install stalls that were supposed to be there well would that make sense or would it make yes it makes more sense for what you said no no no like if you were in if you want to add extra toilets to a house cheaply wouldn't it make sense wouldn't it be cheaper to add them to the bathroom as opposed to creating a whole new room with piping I don't I actually don't know because I was like probably creating a to make it if if it was literally only to install another toilet regardless of anything else I suppose but that would be a bizarre thing to say I want another toilet for more people to go to the bathroom simultaneously dude the build but I will not like a room like what why yeah I know see you're assuming that this house is built without a mind I'm assuming the house existed and then they're just repurposing it well so we're proposing a that's why my stall idea it was as it was yes because if you've seen the whole video this house is like not a house house yeah it's like a facility complex there's a whole baptism area yeah so the church isn't it being repurposed to be like one of these amazon houses or something oh yeah it's like a warehouse filled with all kinds of things they're trying to flip I think like right DVDs and I mean obviously it's very shoddy operation here oh yeah yes it is madness it is absolutely because now I'm still stuck in the toilet bathroom thing is it common in America for the toilet to be in the bathroom like you just have one room that has the shower and the toilet and yeah that's a full that's a full bath as if it has a toilet a bathroom and a sink yeah okay sometimes they're kind of like separate a half bath two seconds it's going to be just like a toilet and a sink as a half bath what about like just a separate room that just has a toilet in it it is only with the toilet is that only a toilet possible I have never seen one but they could exist I suppose wait you saying no sink just the toilet I was going to say typically you get a sink in most rooms yeah yeah no no no what I mean is like do you have do you have it where like the bathroom has the sink the bath the shower but then you just have a room that has a toilet in it and that's it though they are almost always the same room do you think that there's like a that follows that it might make more sense to just it does make a lot of pipes to have it all right okay so wait do you have rooms that are just like showers and that's it well so you can do that um obviously but but typically in Britain anyway I don't know about Australia we have full bathrooms and then also rooms that are just a toilet and a sink well it's just often here in a house if you're in like a unit or a or a flat or something but if you're in a house generally you have the bathroom that has the sink the shower and the bath and then you have a toilet that's just the toilet but also a sink right it has a toilet in it no you go into the bathroom to wash your hands okay I it's like you open a closet size room that's just a toilet like and that and just four walls and that's it and then you have to go to the bathroom to wash your hands that's very strange that is very weird that is strange does that does it not make more sense that you cordon off the toilet room from like the the place where you actually like have showers and stuff and wash your hands no I don't know what you're doing I mean it's like toxic waste because that that seems it's very hung up on the fact that you it's very strange yeah why would you have a sink in that that seems put a sink in there that's yeah you have to you have to you want your ass to walk to another room to go wash your feet why would you why would you put a sink in a room that is only the size that you need for a toilet because you can wash your hands well generally what you do is you consolidate their spaces together for pretty obvious floor plan reasons right what about just sanitary reasons that is that together yeah that's why you come together how dirty how nasty are your shits over in Australia that you have to have like a special bio chemical room before you flush yeah that's the way you do it yeah sure I guess I'm just saying it's just like food's weird to me that someone might want to take a shower and then there's some other person proofing in there no no no no no no whoa oh no one does that that's what you have is a comedy movie in the shower you don't just walk in next to them that is but he does that that's like a joke that's a comedy movies yeah yeah so what I'm saying I guess you'd have to be like a very close married couple so that's the point I'm making if someone's there having a shower and you want to go poop it's way more convenient if there's just a separate poop room so that you can go no that is technically true however the amount of times where that will pop up is so minuscule compared to normal time that it's not worth getting rid of all that floor space yeah additional piping that's got to go into another room how big are these poop closets are they like tiny or is it like a normal room yeah because floor space is like precious it's a precious commodity you can't just make it because there's a lot of like regulations in terms of the space around the building and the typically the toilet room is not like several feet away it's like next to the bathroom it's like the room next to it so if you're walking down the hallway but how big is the room oh it's it's big enough to fit a toilet and you and then a little bit of space in front of you and that's it it's it's like a narrow room that is just it's kind of like a cubicle but it's a room they always have sinks in britain and the oftentimes they're not on the same floor like the idea is that you have a toilet on both floors yeah but there won't be two bathrooms it'd be a bathroom in a toilet oh well i mean i mean typically you'll find here that there'll be like an en suite right so in the the master bedroom will have its own separate shower and and that yeah you can get them here as well yeah oh yeah yeah like is it more normal that the toilet separated or is or is normal that's all together well so i in britain you get the toilet is always in the bathroom too you yeah yeah i'm in australia yeah we're so typically here if you live in like a flat or something they'll usually be combined into one because it's not enough space but in like a house there'll just be a bathroom and then a toilet that's and there's no toilet in the bathroom the bathroom is in an en suite maybe or in like a flat you'll find it where it's got the bathroom in the shower and the bath and then the sink but then you'll just have it be that there's the room that has the bath the shower and the sink and then there's a room that just has a toilet in it so i can't go straight from pooping to a shower well you can you just go into the bathroom then wash hands then take a shower yeah but so what if someone's in the shower and you're pooping and then you're done how you have to get in to wash your hands anyway um sure but i mean they might be finished by then right that applies to the other scenario yeah okay how does it apply to the other scenario and they might be finished by the time you need to get in you save a precious five to ten poop minutes okay that's what we're that's what we're doing here fucking look generally it's it most people will say ham gonna take a shower if you need to use the loo um i'll be 10 yes but which is what normal people generally it's like haha i don't need to wait because there is a separate room you will when you need to wash your hands we gotta wait to wash your hands and wash your hands well sure but only i'm just saying that it just increases the chat it is more likely that you will be able to wash your hands because they are finished than it is in the other scenario where you cannot poop that you cannot deny that logic i can i will some weird reason for you you cannot deny what we did what should we do it again i deny your logic is there any other like country or culture that separates their toilets like this i don't repress some like backwards society like china or something so the the reason why you cannot deny it is a simple equation let's say that it is 10 am and there is someone in the shower and you need to take a poop if they are in if the bathroom is the room that also has the toilet in it you you just can't because of etiquette like you're stuck there there's nothing you can do you cannot commence the poop you just have to wait until they're done and then you can go in so unless you have diarrhea what's the problem but if you have a separate poop room you can just go take a poop straight away and then there is a chance there is a chance that you will be able to get in there because they'll be finished and wash your hands there is a chance why would anyone risk this instead of waiting yeah is there like that epidemic of explosive diarrhea in australia that has caused this architectural shift i don't know why it can't just be that someone's like i want to go now i just need to go now i'd like to go because i like it's not generally that big of a deal because my body doesn't go i don't go from just normal living to oh my god you have to take a shit right i'm so wrong normally just like so i know that it's generally not that but you could just be sitting there playing video games go you know what i need a poop and then you just get up and you're in the shower so you're like well i guess i'll wait at extra few yeah i'll yeah i'll come back and just hold it alternatively alternatively i could commence my poop and hopefully that'll be finished by then or you can put a sink in your toilet you can put a sink in your toilet i feel like you don't understand the size of this room the room is small we have them in britain a room that has a toilet yes sink and no bath or shower all right yeah that's chat help me out here small little cubicle rooms in britain i assume there's at least one person who's british and it has a sink in it too i'm gonna have to get pictures for you like if you have america there often be like a bathroom that has a toilet and a shower and a bath and then there'll be a just a room that's that's just a toilet and a sink and that's a half bath yes that's why i like all the real estate everything's that's why you full bath half bath a half bath yep half bath let me see oh there you go beautiful example you also have a three fourths bath but those are a lot less common what oh i mean i see those when like you go out to a restaurant or something but i'll have like just the one bathroom that has like the yeah i do i i tend to only go to restaurants that have baths in them so then after the meal i can enjoy a nice nice shower nice shower after you sit like typically yeah no i've definitely seen those yeah this is very normal to me i i i just wouldn't have thought you'd want to build a room with a toilet with no sink when that they seem inseparable to me because uh you know i've never seen just a toilet in a room i've never seen it in my life you could just go to the bathroom wash yeah that's true i could i've literally seen more holes in the ground to poop in then a room in a building with just a toilet well again that's apparently just barricade doesn't do that but uh yeah we just don't do that i just because if if we're doing it we're doing at least a half bath well i'm assuming yeah i will say by the way i am baffled by the disdain and chat you still go and wash your hands in the bathroom just seems so it's not a compared you wash your hands yeah we also have to open the door though first yeah if you're going into the bathroom to poop you're always gonna wash your hand think about it you have to go into yourself through walls you can't skip that you have to go to your separate bathroom you close the door you shit you wipe your ass and you have to open your door before you well presumably presumably you were doing it efficiently enough that your hand is not covered in poo i would hope that's not the best you now you're making an argument against washing your hands in general you still wash your hands bro germs the whole idea is you knock off any residual germs of any kind it's just you and poo yeah because you're right you got to open and close the the toilet door then open and close the bathroom door so why do all of that instead of just washing your hands in the toilet here i i what i will do is i will pick up my phone i will text my architect parents and ask if they have ever designed or even seen a a a toilet in a box let's just call it that but like rags you surely what is that though even if you were to do it you wouldn't make it without the sink right of course because you because when your bathrooms are a special thing really any place where you have to hook up water through the wall is something you have to really think about when you're designing a building in relationship to the pipes going to other buildings and how the pipes intersect with themselves and where they meet it's a special thing so if you're gonna have a toilet you're gonna you're like yeah we're gonna put a sink there with it because we've already gone through all the trouble of designing this room with water pipes in them i think if if dev arrives in any any minute now it'll be so funny if he says what i miss i'm texting my pot hair right now well supposedly i'm trying to see if there's a reason for this supposedly australian toilets on average work differently than american toilets they have like larger holes at the bottom and they're jet powered is this true why don't australians wash their hands maybe they just blame the wild ones for all of them dropping dead when it's really just like horrible terrible poo diseases like oh no it was the the giant spider yeah it it killed jim he didn't waste away from the horrific infection from his poo door no oh my god so apparently their toilets don't require plumbing because of the nature of the way they're built and thus there was no there was difficulty in providing a sink additionally wait wait what i don't understand that's what i said so i'll just i'll just read this out why is it common for australian houses to have a toilet in a small cubicle without a sink um and apparently the best answer is i've seen houses in both england and canada with this setup i've never seen it in the us the one in england had a toilet no sink in a separate room next to the room of the sink in the tub each room had its own door you didn't where's the australian answer oh the picture that you just posted there's no is the tank at the very top is that what that thing is up there that's the tank that's an ear that's an older design for a toilet but you're right yeah because i've never seen one of those before they always i don't know what to tell you guys because now i've just gone on surrealistate.com and looked at a bunch of houses floor plans just to remind myself that i'm not crazy and i'm not oh we didn't say we didn't believe you we're saying it's stupid design yeah okay you can say it's a stupid design but chat has been very mean to me and it's right i'm sitting here and i'm genuinely wondering if like i've gone insane and i'm my memory no i'm sure it's true i'm sure it's true it is it is common it is yeah i pulled up another one yet there it is there are many many bathrooms that are just their own cordoned office yeah looking on these floor this is what happens when you live when a civilization's built that can't see Polaris it's just everything's upside down nothing makes sense it's all just it oh god i feel sane now i feel sane now i'm serious i was there sitting there like am i am am i going nuts am i like you know just learning that the rest of your countrymen are are insane shouldn't make you feel more sick it gets better one of the explanations here is the when you did outhouse pooping hand washing wasn't a big deal back then and so it didn't pass over when they moved the toilet into the house i love that they tried to explain to me like well you know australians were tribal yeah australia just didn't figure out that you should watch what this is what happens when a bunch of prisoners make a nation this is what don't you know don't this toilet room need a sink why why when you just go and wash your hands there's water in the toilet i don't understand why you need another one there's water in the toilet well that was another thing i was worried about when i say wash your hands in the toilet i was hoping people didn't think i meant it's clean water now right exactly australian toilets have dual purpose yes so we got that little pink thing on the rim to clean it right water is scarce in the deserts of australia okay we just don't understand mate do you use salt water for your toilet why why would we use salt water for the i don't know because you're an island i don't know because you guys do things weird i don't know what you do in that upside down topsy-turvy world you guys want to continue with the video we can do that uh yeah oh right yeah yeah yeah right right right i don't like this competition everything fleam cringe sweet fleam let's go back to some proper fleam cringe it must be a joke a serious comment or a mix of the two is he trying to say that a flex is normally something extravagant and unnecessary and this is extravagant and yeah because you could see here there's clearly enough room for a stall yeah i think to go through those two yeah though there are technically a lot of specifications and regulations for you start this conversation fringy so is that how it works when someone starts a conversation you have launched to be incredibly cruel to them is that how it works incredibly cruel i'm sure they're saying i'd love fringy not only that but only one of the people has access to all the toilet paper because notice how much how much notice how much toilet the toilet paper king over here on the right he has all the toilet paper and there's not even a roll in between the two toilets it is an empty roll on the thing and he has to leverage well he has to leverage his position of strength by having both the plungers on the left and he he used that to bargain for toilet grab he also has the two waste baskets why are there two trash cans and one's like teeny tiny and one's normal size because the left toilet realized it doesn't have any bargaining power in terms of toilet paper so it needed to grab both the plungers and the waste baskets yeah it's like you want to it's a yeah it's a trade deal i'll give you one of my bids he gave me some toilet paper yeah in exchange for ongoing usage of x amount of squares per poo i will allow you to use the waste basket assuming that you don't want to flush your toilet paper down right and and it also makes sense too that this was a room where they remove the stalls yeah because on the right they have the rail though it's odd because normally the handicapped uh stall is going to be the last one in the back i don't think this room is up to code i don't think it's up to code and by the way j j got it okay no i know what it is okay that that were the second toilet is that used to be where the sink was they converted the sink into another toilet hey a bunch of us they were having moved in and they're like why is there a sink in my toilet room they were like but what about the sink and then they just put down a bed you're like no no no just just to spite people in europe and america instead of saying we're gonna install a sink they said fuck it we're installing another toilet just to show them that we mean business a nice use of the weird business once again wait what j has a j mac has a separate bathroom for his just his toilet what craziness is this where where's j mac from he's a he's american oh look at that yeah well but is that but that that's probably attached to his bathroom though it's like a little cubby just for like i don't know i don't i guess separate i've never seen one ever i've never seen one yeah i've never seen one so extra to illustrate how short is this guy that he needs steps to get up to his toilet it's a squatty pot you don't remember the squatty potty come on i don't know about a squatty potty you put your you put your legs on it and it's supposed to make you squat when you shit and help your digestive process if it's in california it doesn't count but they did weird things over there that's true it's california the australia of america at least the toilets maybe maybe we don't talk about california my wife likes it do you live in a hotel where your doors have that little like the the lever handle that's strange there does have that leather well some some places have them right some houses usually generally they'll be in like hotels and things that's strange to have a it's it's fine it's just it's very odd it's not something you normally see in a private residence i always find it weird when they have the little fluffy covers for toilets you know oh the carpet yeah that was a thing for those people for all of you youngins out there that was it's like wood paneling on the outside of cars there was a thing where your toilet seat would be carpet your toilet lid was just carpeted it was like extra work for something that provides zero utility i guess it just makes it comfortable if you feel like using your butt like your toilet as a just a seat i think so it's the idea right it's like it's more comfortable to sit on it's like yeah no i think i just like visually look at well no i think it's that too because they would add like there was all kinds of different ones that would be softer as well to sit on but it's just like you just not many people i've sat on a toilet not to poop before but it just doesn't happen very often if ever yeah it just that is the 70s they want to cover everything with a weird fur and shag yeah car like have you guys seen barbarella i feel like i might have but i'm gonna say no no it's from 1968 she had a her spaceship the inside of her spaceship it was all furry yeah yeah i know i know yeah that is a film wait so is that bathroom off of a bar that that toilet's off a bathroom yeah i'm assuming yeah you have the master bathroom i assume that's what i mean that makes more sense if it doesn't have a sink that makes more sense if it's attached to a bathroom yes it is attached to the master bath which is like a very big bath so the complaint that you made was that you put your hand on the handle before you wash your hands the same applies here you said that's cool but you said nope you said that makes more sense no no so this is a bathroom then you open the door to the toilet room and you leave the door open because you're in the bathroom which is closed yeah yeah also you don't have to turn this handle why would you close the door your elbow because you closed the door when you put oh yeah it's no you don't understand if it's off the bathroom which is closed then you don't need to close the toilet door it's like a cubicle that you leave the door open at that point why why does the door exist in your why do you think it exists because i don't know so once you're done you can close it extension i mean it's just yeah it's just a small benefit keeping the smell in there if there is one or i mean as you said normally i could be have a room if the honey if the wife yeah but there's no sink at that point there is a sink in the bathroom that is next to the to the toilet you go to open set of two doors at least to do that we've already been over this unless the bathroom door is open no you keep in your scenario you keep closing it stop closing the door open exist whether you want to use it or not yeah well so the problem is that in this in the picture of this bathroom if you leave just the toilet door open you can still close the outer bathroom i've said that like three times why we don't need to listen to he's being clear that this is legitimately the most scatological oriented e-fap that we've ever done in the scenario in the Australian scenario if you leave your your door open you've lost your door open to the entire house yeah this is off the bathroom that's different yes it's off the extra bath excellent anyway back to you all right you're doing this wrong on this one i think clean cringe i mean you got it i mean whether right or wrong that is the nature of bathrooms and toilets in many houses we've acknowledged that we believe you it's weird as fuck put a sink in your toilet it is very strange it is very bizarre so let's carry on with fleam cringe oh well so yeah what i wanted to say was that there was no vindictive thing here like j knew exactly what hasam was doing you just said it didn't work it was a very good joke right that's it but he's just like why so bad boom sorry i get yeah yeah it's a bit weird why would you pay for a second toilet installation the house is full of loads of boxes having that many boxes means they could be a streamer to be honest honestly i really don't know what he means by this one i don't either he's could he streamers have lots of boxes yeah let's stop there because i think that's a perfectly reasonable question i know the answer and so does our relevant but plenty of people will not know what you mean by that there's loads of boxes oh like to get a lot of gifts like get a lot of sponsorship items i think that's a fair that's pretty much it our relevant answers by saying it's po box stuff but you know same thing really so so they i guess they just leave it's like a tower of joys past receiving these new items where they don't put away their boxes apparently yeah so that's why he said his stream house which doesn't get the reference but oh maybe hasan receives so much mail from fans that he doesn't care about so he just leaves in the box oh there are boxes they're not empty boxes yeah they're not even empty he's just like i don't care about my fans um yeah i don't know i just say before we play the the next bit you guys think it's reasonable if someone's not know what that means right i didn't know what that means okay so i think yeah i think you'd say it's reasonable that's all right let's uh let's see how our relevant reacts to that first p o box simple it's incredibly simple in multiple of his other fucking shit you can see a million boxes behind him for p o boxes i'm assuming all right that's where i see a lot of streamers getting their p o boxes but who really cares it's not about whether or not you get the joke it's not about whether or not the jokes are good the question is whether or not he makes the so he can't even question the joke literally this section is about jay just assessing the quality of the reaction all jay says here is i think this is a joke but i don't get it and our relevant is pissed at him i don't know why he just seems very you know how dare you question Hassan kind of energy it's very strange very strange perfectly reasonable question from jay and jay didn't even use this as a criticism he's just saying he didn't get it you mean yeah well jay's kind of saying like he doesn't Hassan doesn't comment and then when he does comment it's either not funny or doesn't make sense well basically saying like well at least he's commenting now finally even if it doesn't make sense i think i actually play what jay says i don't know maybe this is one example of the video or whatever he's gonna be like really shitty about it but instance where i feel that i'm just missing the reference like i think it's pretty clear that he's making some kind of joke here i don't get it now i think by this point do you see that he's like oh he's gonna use he's gonna be a dick about he's gonna use it jay literally just says pretty sure it's a joke i don't get it moving on and our relevant didn't say anything about that he's just like all right like you were fucking wrong but okay that's fine we'll just move on understand the nature of Hassan's commentary what the fuck you got a urinal next to it this is gonna be the one time i say something that sounds a bit probably petty of this person uh can we jay does look like an elf it is he looks he does look like a bit of a christmas elf he reminds me of uh herby the dentist oh in a way yeah i see he does look he does not look this is not jay's most intimidating uh and jay is also very intimidating yes generally jay is shockingly intimidating i can't i've lost the ability to speak that's how intimidated you are just the thought of it shook you up thinking about him makes oof but here he is not at his most intimate stop with this purple lighting shit it's a really fucking annoying i it's it's a really cringe purple lighting i i i'm not necessarily against it i'm neutral on it it's for the application it's way better than whatever the fuck you've got going which is just whatever i had behind me incidentally no lighting just my lamp for my desk yeah on an empty set of walls and a half in a barely opened in a closet door on this just joyless existence that is your room i it's it's it's like you you've got this little alcove in the back room that's just yours yes you know if you like so you just describe jay's set if you will uh you you'd have to point out things that jay has chosen to do you describe our relevance that our elephant would be like that's just my room man that you'd be like right that's a good point yeah well no but that's my point is that he's not tried anything anyway it makes perfect you have a our relevance defending low effort streams and he's got a low effort room and a low effort backdrop i can't put a green curtain back there so that it could be any set you want or just maybe you put you buy something to put on the wall or a if i was going to stream and use a camera to look at me as i tap away and play my games and whatnot i'd be aware of what is behind me that that will be 60 percent of that camera's vision constantly you know like i i would probably move the alignment of my computer and my desk or i would get a green screen to put just behind me that i can set up and take away whenever i'm not streaming that or something yeah it wouldn't be just i don't have much to say on the paper line i think the only thing is like uh i would prefer it if it were less if it was is it the the contrast too high is that my issue i'm trying to figure it out myself yeah i think contrast you're using the right word yeah because um if it were moodier if that's not struggling here to find the right word needs to be diffused a little bit maybe that could be it are you saying that you think the lighting what in the jay's room is well so this is totally a preference right but if it were um less harsh so maybe that helps some nice silks on those lights i think that it probably i think i just bump up the saturation a bit emphasize the colors a bit more i think it's a little too up even more that would that would do the opposite one and well that's what i'm saying i think it would be better to bump up the saturation huh i think that the colors are a little too muted because of the the lightness that kind of uh i i think that uh if you bumped up the saturation would make them uh a bit yeah a bit more the contrast would be sharper i think um and maybe yeah maybe diffusion as well well either way i don't mind and i've never minded really if anything i just appreciate people trying to make their video look like something instead of just going just like whatever's behind me behind me i've i'm locked into this i can't possibly do anything about anything behind me that's just this is the life now and if it's there it's there and well this is the hand that i've been dealt through fate and dare i rebel against god's you know plan for me i'm doing fine i'm incredibly lucky to be able to work youtube as my job i like it just don't know everybody does it i've just discovered so now i realize what for for whatever reason because i've got the stream pulled up on my two monitors the main monitor i think that it's fine as it is but on the other monitor it looks a lot brighter do you have like a light filter on or something i i think that this is something i should have sorted because i'm pretty sure that this is uh i'm pretty sure all three of my monitors have different uh different um color like different um balance i'm i remember i learned how to sync them a lot but should do that also that's that's like someone in chat said what about high top then and it's like well the thing about high top compared to jay at least is that i imagine jay has tried like a multiple different things just to see what's working and what can add to the video high top seems to only have one track for a i must clash two colors uh yeah that's all that is my one trick and yeah uh but at the same time i do appreciate the high top tries stuff some i just you know it's pretty fun it's actually put so much effort into his stuff i'm sure of it uh you know yeah well into the visuals at least it i i i'm sure he i'm sure he puts effort into the script his effort if you know what i mean because a bunch of people like it i just want people to get over it because it's these faces flying around i guess people post a funny memes yeah i find it obtrusive but whatever yeah oh whenever a chat makes an emoji it flies around the screen i think so yeah they've got it so that if ever a donation comes in a fucking robot reads it out over whatever's happening like i can't stand that shit when when like someone's in the middle of making a really good point then it just goes ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha thank you streamer it's like what are you doing and like they deliberately try and make it so the robot says stupid shit and just like i suppose that doesn't matter if you're not saying shit all you know way of what saying gets the images in the way of that little frog sitting there in the back just chilling out you know it's not good look at that frog i'd watch the sitcom about him and shit it's really fucking annoying i it's it's a really cringe you know emojis flying around your screen but everyone does it so it's not cringe that's how it works oh they can go to their little cringe parties together they can talk to each other about all the cringe that they did that week and they could compare cringe meters or whatever they do at those parties i don't know cringe so i wouldn't understand fine i'm incredibly lucky to be able to work youtube as my job i like it just don't know the reason everybody does it is because a bunch of people like it i just want people to get over it because it's fucking annoying what what i don't even he likes it but it's annoying you have emojis flying around your screen i don't care what you have to say he read out from chat that someone someone's in his chat said i like it and then his response was that's why they do it and i want him to stop because it's annoying like what are you saying that they do it because they like it or they do it because everyone else likes it and why aren't those two arguments pretty good for why jay should do it he's just like because it's annoying like oh all right then to see everybody do like pink and fucking purple lighting is like bro god you don't have a leg to stand on man i'm sorry your lighting is pathetic your lighting is awful you're just your it's your lighting is what we call incidental yes it's whatever you had that's what you have now it just that just happens to be your lighting yeah not fucking recreating shakespeare can i what the fuck would you say shakespeare here that's what my mind is i do like shakespeare a man in the color spectrum shakespeare come on shakespeare the the the the the bisexual lighting vlogger shakespeare that's what everyone do it mass like why would you say that oh people saying f oh no all right i can see yeah we're good never says it's back all right give it a little refresh hopefully it doesn't go down luckily with me recording every episode as we stream them it will be safe no matter what wow wow wow wow can i just watch a video well he does it up before you know what you can i think you could have just watched him like you chose to comment about his shakespeare lighting these colors can i just watch a video yeah i can say any of that stuff growth industry that's everything i have for you today this has just been a very small project on the side as i work on something much bigger my he's such a rush to click off he's yeah like he was in the middle of eating and he's like oh someone's promoting their content that i stole better end that take care of that right now i guarantee you the thought going through his head was jay trying to clout chase fuck you wow it was how dare he come on the mic and promote his video okay i'm gonna actually did a call yeah i mean what's it being um wow good job he did that this that was kind of sigma dude that was kind of sigma and then click off i was gonna say that is that is cuck is hell what do you mean it's the opposite yeah it's about grind set while you're eating panic and turn off someone else's video so that they can't promote themselves how is it not the sigma choice to be like that video fucking rocks this is the channel go check it out exactly no the sigma choice is oh oh he's promoting i might lose my subscribers to him so yes that that was the sigma move all right big sigma dude very sigma my point here isn't that i desperately want hasanda shout me out i don't need that i don't want that i am fine the point is that this is his attitude when making reaction content and he could end up doing this to anyone the point of this video isn't like a petition to get me the recognition i deserve for my joke about how they're poor jay put in all these caveats you're gonna get accused of this anyway sorry yeah we're two toilets next to each other the point of this video what does this person have to say about clip channels of hasan that are currently up that hasan allows to exist that's up to hasan that's on sequitur wow and you know yeah it's unfortunate um but you can see how far our relevant is into the video unfortunate that jay hasn't mentioned the perspective on that yet um it would be cool if jay had obviously you know maybe jay will in future but if not jay can respond to this and give give give his perspective because clearly jay has not commented on that reality course not money are you just saying that hasan is just being a good guy what about a bunch of the streamers that allow this to happen is this just whatever if a poet that's an insane argument that's like if i let someone steal my content that doesn't mean i get to steal some other person's content or if you have any decision if someone's stealing mine then they're like so i can steal stitches too right because you're okay with it more they're like that's insane anyway you speak for the streamers um yes some some weird thing has happened in the video i guess i'm playing a clip from jay's video from a while ago i don't know why i'm doing this oh oh boy oh what is this if your work relies on uploading other people's content then you better make sure that's not oh wow yeah i put a double eye on that it's mine you know what no it's a reference to the pause rags it's a pause symbol now yeah i was about to say did you think oh that was in every frame of pause yeah brilliant i'm an i'm shakespeare you're shakespeare you're right no no you're referencing the double toilets oh yes it's just whatever if a part of your work you're referencing the twin towers then you better make sure that's not all you're doing otherwise you're just reuploading other people's content it's fine to do that if you have permission oh did it do that if you have permission oh no oh that was a while ago our elephant looks like you missed it if only jay had repeated himself maybe that would have made the video better i don't know i don't know yeah you're listening the first time but it's not if you don't the property now that you're in all in a residential bathroom is he i still find that priceless the jay carbon pizza yeah hey man that's how he gets his fiber strange decision so it's uh that pizza isn't even pizza that shit is leather why the fuck did you take a leather that shit is what so i see that so it's leather but also he doesn't understand he's he's baffled by jay's choice to eat a leather pizza he thinks that's leather we think that it's like the dried and tanned skin of an animal yes you know someone can eat leather you know that's real easy i know i often go to the the freezer aisle of the grocery store where they have the leather wrapped that's how you know that's a flex is buying that's fucking sigma dude right there eating the cobbled pizza because fuck it nutrition is nutrition shit had to eat that fucking bitch like it was like uh some leathery ass fucking meat like dude what that's funny that bro the joke you'll be okay you'll make it what yeah it's like nine years old it's fucking bread it's like crust is like fucking fused together like cement that is not what it looks like to chew cement doesn't fuse together it just it dries it's already fused it's all gooey in that sense yeah it is the biggest to sawn fan but i feel a lot of streamers just watch random videos to react to while they eat so i don't feel like it's that bad that he does this everyone's doing it so it's okay um i i think well like legitimately i i think this is a problem that this person has if i am a streamer his consistency and i go to eat do i just end my stream yes fucking god yeah that is an option we can put up a bi-b screen you got a lot of options the problem honestly at this point listening to this bullshit is like i have to steal from people i have no choice like what's the worst thing that happens like i lose some viewers like then lose them you know that at most jobs they don't pay you for your lunch break you clock out go to lunch and then you clock back in when you're done well that doesn't make any sense do these people not like eat and have conversations with people like normal human being don't worry sitch and watch a video and then swallow your food and pause the video and then give a comment no you're wrong and he's gonna explain why you're wrong okay what do i do fucking program so sorry what am i supposed to do pause no i'll be honest with you it doesn't surprise me he's got enough creative sort of thinking to solve this problem he sees the only option is end of stream so luckily for us his chat start to suggest some options my stream or could i just not what is by the way what is the um what's that icon in his top left like the person in the zero so i've not quite figured it out but the fact that he's called our relevant i think his name is rally and so that's like that but our relevant irrelevant and then zero view count would be irrelevant and that symbol looks like a person and then zero so zero view count i think that's the idea i don't know though interesting branding yeah that's interesting because it's confused because i think oh is that like your viewer count right now are you are you are you do you need help no we get an average of 500 people watching him oh that's depressing that's even more depressing than having nobody watch him well i i can't answer the question of why they would do it but hey it's so egotistical 500 is less than zero oh no i think he means that it would be embarrassing to know 500 people are watching this stream yeah he's gonna start somewhere come on we can't all be like as far as a day pause the video and do what just sit there and eat yeah or yeah yes like i yeah he's like he's like thinking like wait what's the count of this fuck uh like i gotta figure it out while you're eating hey guys i've been streaming a while i'm gonna grab a bite to eat i'll be back in 10 here is uh you know maybe you could use this time to grab a bite to eat and use the loo as well so we're gonna have a gay old time it's just like yeah you can eat i like the idea that um you go to like a stage play and they're like all right in a mission they just put on a video no they put on a video of another play oh dude yeah yeah like intermission like lord of the rings like halfway through they're like we're just gonna start up the matrix uh we'll play that while we go to the toilet we don't lose any viewers cook stream i think everybody's got the fucking 4k super soaker lens inside of your fucking so apparently you need a 4k super soaker lens in order to do a cooking stream i know tonal this is the bar shockingly high but you don't have to ascend there quite yet nope i've seen people with laptops do cooking streams so i don't know why we're trying to imply this but okay that's fine the webcam is good enough for your face it's not good enough for your kitchen nope uh uh their their kitchen eat in chat usually you're not doing much chatting when you're eating at get right stitch what i see does he i don't know like when i was in school and i go to the lunchroom we didn't just like eat silently and stare at each other yeah he's his walking sticks along the walls he's totally full of shit everyone knows this what you do is say you got a sandwich take a bite eat eat eat read some chat while you're eating and then you respond to one of them take another bite eat eat eat go out and eat with people exactly it's one of the most social things you can do you know when you go into a restaurant and it's definitely silent Oh, yeah. Oh wait, no, it's the exact opposite. It's super loud. I always complain about how quiet restaurants are. I can't believe I need to explain it, but it's like, so the idea is you eat while you're absorbing the conversation on the other side, and then when you swallow, you then talk your part while they eat. That's like how they did it back in the day. Like, back in the day. What are these terrible excuses? Like, come on. Your mouth is often preoccupied by eating. So if he really does run on a model, if I will just repost your content, and if you don't like it, you have to reach out to me to tell me to stop. Which, like, yeah, he does. Then there being no way... Wait, there's like nothing wrong with assuming that everybody's content is fair game for reaction. You have to actually react to it. Yeah, I was going to say, you've altered it. It's free reign to just steal. That is not the case, and you shouldn't assume that. But nice. It says in fair use that you don't need their permission. Like, we on EFAP do not need anyone's permission to react to their video if it's on YouTube. That's just reality. But if we were like, we're going to take a break and play someone's video in full, it'd be like, yeah, you bet your ass I'm getting their permission for that. Well, I mean, I think technically you don't, like, legally... No, you could react to a movie. Right, but I'm saying legally, you know, you guys could react to a movie the same way. It's just because of YouTube, the hassle wouldn't be worth it. Yeah, the hassle makes it. We'd have to pause at least every five seconds to do something like that. I don't think that it should be the job of creators to keep an eye on every tweet. Yeah, this person's actually really shit at making content that's focused specifically on a Wow. Oh wow. You were in a position to say such things. That's the thing I heard today. I mean, his cover's been great so far. Top notch. Oh my God, you're going to fucking bust Jay's balls because of this? Hey, Jay's looping. Jay's made the same point several times, points that our relevant hasn't even picked up. Jay's been repeating them. They need to repeat more so that our relevant can catch up. You're right. Uh, were you going to say something for me? I don't know. I can't believe that. Yeah, unbelievable. But there we are. And this isn't just one isolated comment. A depressing number of people seem to know. What was that? Is this just an I hate has on video? This is so no. No, no, it really isn't. It makes a lot of points. Why is it so hard for people to appreciate you can spin off something that happened to you specifically or like an interpersonal thing into a broader conversation about a broader topic? Why is that so hard? Well, it's always this frame through the lens of like, well, it's cloud, right? It's about her son. It's like, it's not really like that's just the launching pad for a bigger conversation about react content in general. So our relevant is not engaging with this in any good faith level. He's just looking to attack Jay is illegitimate in this. He's bored and he thinks that the points have been repeated. But if you watched it, I almost it feels so condescending. But it's like, can I watch the video with you are relevant? I can point to you how the topic is changing and how it's structured. Because like you apparently couldn't tell. But like Jay sets up everything explains it and then concludes. And one of the biggest things Jay's goal is in the video is to make sure no one misunderstands and look what's happening because you're not watching it. You're just going. Make sure to throw those in. There's a little say the same thing a hundred different times a hundred different ways video. It's a problem with long man YouTube videos. Yeah, it reminds me of fucking books. It reminds me of fucking books. Those goddamn those goddamn books saying the same thing a hundred different times a hundred different ways books. You know Shakespeare was known for highly contrasting pink colors. Can I just say they've they've ceded the ground of books to the long man. Thank you. We get books. Books belong to long men now. Part of war super short of mice and men super short. Wait, doesn't doesn't he stream for like hours or time? You know, you know, at least it's not a goddamn book. That's a pretty long book that says the same thing. Books are long apparently just as a universal thing. Books are long. They are long and they say the same thing a hundred different ways. It's a hundred different times. I mean, have you read Good Night Moon? They say good night. No, can I just look that the whole in fame for EFAP quotes, they're missing a few updates. OK, but can this one please get in there? This is one of the best quotes we've come across. It's great. It's fucking me. I drink video making the same point over and over reminds me of books. You know, this is a little say anything different. You read one. You read them all just words. 100 different times 100 different ways video. It's a problem with long man YouTube videos. Yeah, it reminds me of fucking books. Maybe you can't read 9000 examples so I can fill the next 100 pages with this. And then we'll move on to the books. Are you reading? What the fuck books are you reading? Also, you know, multiple examples, multiple examples are sometimes called for when you're trying to illustrate a point. Yeah, maybe not a hundred. But, you know, I think you're right, Rags. I think he stopped at one fish, two fish, and he's like, I get it. Yeah, he's like, well, should I stop working a mile away? Don't waste my time. Come on, guys. I also like this. I will say it is fascinating that just stated his voice when he's like, it reminds me of fucking books. What are books to do to you? You know what? I hate those goddamn books with their pages and words. You totally expect this to fucking soldiers all smoking shit. You'd expect it to turn up in a parody, wouldn't you? But it's it's a real thing he said. Books are cool, guys. Don't don't be dissing books. One year he wanted an Xbox and he got a book instead and he's been bitter ever since as goddamn books he would have gotten an Xbox. I always knew those books were up to something. I like the idea that the books are plotting in their little underground land. What's up with plotting? They are plotting. You're right. Yeah, that's true. Next topic. It's incredibly unlikely that some large streamer reacting to your video, especially if you're a smaller content creator, is going to result in a net negative for your channel? It doesn't matter. It is. It is our relevance. It is entirely irrelevant to the point. I'm sorry. And it's not hard. It's not hard to theorize the people who saw the video through the streamer. And now I'm not going to watch it on YouTube because they've seen it already. Simple. Yeah, because because we saw the bump. It was actually negligible because. Oh, Fringy. Oh, why would you bring? It's so funny because that's just a trap that Jay set by accident. Jay sets a lot of traps by accident because Jay's so honest that it'll just be like, yeah, so this is the bump I got. Why did this happen? And then no. So people take that because our relevant does. So did Hassan and they show it and they're like, ha, see you got a bumps like didn't look at the numbers. Did you? You just looked at the bump. You didn't look at the numbers. It's a very tiny bone. Yeah. It goes from getting an average of like 30 per hour to one hour. It gets 200 and then it's back to 30 or something like that. Right. Oh, my father has responded to my text messages. Oh, my. No, we don't need to retable this conversation, right? That's right. I want to know the details of the toilet. So I've asked them, have you ever seen a bathroom that is literally just a toilet? Is that a thing in the US? He said, yes, I've seen it. Not in a house, but commercial pre plumbing code, of course. So is there something that changed the plumbing code to where? Okay. There is a lot of rules for, you know, like if we. Oh, I'm sure there are. I don't know them. You have no clue. Just just on, even if we aren't talking about pipes, but in you have to have measurements from the, okay. So it's, it's, it's like this goddamn, the goddamn books. It's those fucking cripples, man. You have to have all of these measurements from the bottom of the sink to the floor to the top of the, to the bottom of the mirror to the floor to the distance between railings and the corners of walls, distances between everything. The amount of, when, when you go into a warehouse or a building to measure it, to see if it's up to code, you hit a speed bump at every bathroom, because you have so many things to measure in a bathroom to make sure it's up to code. It is, it bonkers how many things have to be, because we need everybody to have a pleasant pooping experience. That's what I, yes, that is true. These are all there for a reason. These are not arbitrary measurements. These are to ensure that people who are like in wheelchairs and something don't hit the pipes or anything underneath the sinks. And that it's low enough for them to use the mirrors. And this is, it's all there for a reason. They should have thought of that, Rags, before they got crippled. Okay. For instance, there was a difference between ramps and slopes. Slopes are underneath a 5% incline and a ramp is above a 5% incline every day. And if it is a ramp, you need a railing. If it's a slope, you don't. So what's the magic number? 4.9, baby. Nice. All right. Even if we assume that a lot, or even in the event that a lot of these people don't end up like going over to your channel, you get streams exactly like what is happening right now. This would have never happened. This video, right now, this stream would have never happened. This never would have happened if Jay hadn't complained. It's like saying, if someone punches you in the face and you have to go to the hospital, so you sue them for damages and you're like, What would happen if those goddamn Polish would have just stopped bitching up about getting invaded? Nobody would have had an issue, but all they just had to go and wine about it. And then everyone else got involved and, oh, the world's never been the same since. Well, so he's saying Jay has benefited as a result of Hassan watching the video, but he's missed the key component that that only happened because Jay complained about Hassan's coverage. And yet he is bemoaning Jay for complaining. Yes. Yeah. Jay took someone wronging him and he turned it into content and he's like, Oh, well, you never would have had this content if this person didn't wrong you in the first place. It's not an excuse for the person doing something unethical. Absolute insanity that he thinks this is a point, but there you go. And you only sees everything through clout, unfortunately. There is no ethic proportion to this. This is just how do you gain? Is there any way to gain? And that's going to come up really interesting in an interesting way very soon. If Hassan wasn't the main, like, the top of discussion on it, right? And I like, by the way, that the implication here is that our relevance coverage of Jay is beneficial to Jay. It's like all you've done is shit all over him. Very beneficial. But no, all publicity is good publicity. It's not like, yeah, okay. So is this good coverage for our relevance that we're doing right now? Oh, yeah, we're helping him. We're helping him. Yeah. I don't know. There is this weird one-dimensional perspective on clout, like the idea that any coverage is good. I don't know why anybody would have that. All publicity is, publicity is stupid. It's just dumb. That's not true. It specifically depends on your definition of, I guess, if good publicity is being known, sure. But I mean, if you're known for bad things, that's not nice. Yeah. Why would you want that? If you had the choice of being known for a horrible thing or not being known, why would you choose to be known for a horrible thing? The word of mouth, the recognition of this person as a character that exists. The recognition of this person as a character that exists. Wow. What's that even mean? I think he's actually appealing to the fact that some people have the name JXC in their head now where they didn't. And that alone is a huge benefit. Think about it. Think of all the benefits you get from that. He's calling him a character. Like Hasan is the protagonist in an anime and Jay is some secondary character. Like he's just been introduced. It's the JXC art. Yeah, the JXC is the antagonist to Hasan's anime. And remembering, oh, it's that guy. Yeah, that guy. I remember that guy. What the fuck is the benefit of this? What are you talking about? Yeah, I remember that guy. He made a really bad video, in my opinion, because I agree with Hasan. I'm not going to click on that. Oh, yes. There is a great utility to that. Then I've never heard of them before. I'm going to give them a chance. Like, come on, man. Yeah, you're ruining a lot of people's reputations before you know anything about them. And a lot of people go off of that. Oh, I heard about such and such. This one time, this one person said they were no good. So fuck them. Also, someone said Mola's so naive he doesn't know what lengths people will go to to be known. So if you're referring to some of the worst scum of society, then yeah, you can goddamn bet that I'm not agreeing with our relevant on that one, that that was a good choice to get publicity because it doesn't matter if it's bad. No, I don't tend to agree with those people. I think what they're doing is insane. It doesn't mean they don't exist, of course, but they're insane. And yeah, you can bet that Jay wouldn't be compelled by that argument. Neither will we be. And shit can go a long way. What's the fucking saying? No, all press is good. Oh, he said the thing. He got it. He said the thing. He said the thing. He said the thing. Well, there you go. Yeah, I agree that you can you're just react to. I mean, yeah, what? Why is defamation even a concept? It's all good for you, right? Exactly. Why are you so upset? Geez. What do you mean by damages? What do you mean damages? There is no such thing as damages stemming from bad publicity. Dude, the fucking judge is like just fucking clout farm. Geez. You bring the defamation case to go. He's like, what's the problem? You got eyes on your channel, right? The person who defamed you has like two million Twitter followers. Why the fuck are you even here? So stupid. Better or worse. But like the idea that you aren't gaining from this is like obviously like what are you doing? Yeah, so he believes he's categorizing it as as long as people are talking about you, you are gaining. Simple as that. Man. No principle whatsoever has even occurred. Well, this is great. Our relevant can't complain about you on Twitter now because just say hey. Dude, you know, that would require him to be honest. You could take a screenshot of this stream and be like, I'm going to farm some cloud today. Boys. It's like, okay, good luck. Certainly. Network. Both of them. This isn't the kind of thing that YouTube analytics can tell us. So we just reminder JXL and his buddies got plenty of clout from this 300k views. Oh, no. So here we are. This is about to get really interesting. This regards all four of us. That's talking about this and mostly just the exclusivity for literally 20 hours. Like this is what I'm talking about. Man, where's J's? Where's where's this icon in those? Seems you've made a mistake here, our relevant. Just just a bit of a mistake. So first video at the top there is, um, is me rags and free with short fadataku talking about the tomorrow war and what Hassan said about EFAP. So what the fuck does that have to do with J at all? And J's not in it. The second one is when Hassan went after J and we had Sitchin Adamon to look at clips of what Hassan said. What does that have to do with J? The third video is my compilation of all the stupid shit that Hassan has said and done in one stream and a half, I think, that I made because he's an idiot. What does that have to do with J? So you've just seen someone in chat tell you something and you've taken it as gospel. Someone else did that as well. He's reading Chad's comments yet, but he's taking them to be true. That's the problem. He has no idea what this is. He's just agree. He's like, well, let's play a little bit more. Shall we? I don't know. I don't know. Like, I believe you. Brother. I've had Hassan talk about my clip and not even watch it for 10 seconds. And I've had people come to my channel about it. How many? I promise you. But wait, that's better though. That's actually more than what he did. Yeah, they'll go see it. If you just show it, then they have no desire to go find the source. Well, yeah, because imagine if our relevant on Twitch was, that's not his. His name was like, you know, fucking Blaster330 or something. Nobody in our chat are going to be able to find him. Right. Well, they might be able to with a bit of sleuthing. My point is that there's no way for people to reach J. They just know that this person had a video. Oh, that's true. He didn't even say J's name in the original video. Exactly. At least with us, you can actually see his name on screen right now for the whole thing. But like if Hassan said like, oh, I saw this real weird, you know, J video in this house and it was crazy, like that would draw way more views than Hassan playing the video. If he doesn't link your fucking video and doesn't talk very much about it, that people, it can benefit you. I promise you that it can happen. OK. Oh, it can. Right. And from my perspective, this is not a good look. It just seems like the person's really mad. OK. Based on something, a complete error on your part. And I feel like I'm going to have to say it now instead of waiting for when the clip comes up just so that you understand. He eventually calls Jay a liar because Jay appeared on the EFAP podcast, Clout Chasing Hassan. He says Jay lied about how much clout he got and how much money it was made. If a famous richer person does something wrong to you, then just fucking deal with it, you clout chaser. Just let him roll all over you. Fuck you. Well, I would love him to come into this call and be like, justify those streams then. Have you like the fuck? What do you mean? I can just I don't have to justify fucking anything. Hassan is a complete idiot. Went after Jay for no reason at all. We commented on it. Jay's a friend of ours. Why do I need any more reason? And you know, our relevant Hassan are supposed to be part of the political spectrum that says, you know, we're so concerned about the elites and the powerful subjugating those that are underneath them. Basically saying, listen, if a bigger, more powerful streamer takes advantage of you, you know, just take it on the chain. Don't be clout chasing. Well, it might be that he's saying the opposite. He's saying you should be, but don't lie about it. Like, because Jay should be honest, that Jay squeezed this. He'll get to that section. It's funny, you're vaguely aware of this. This is the calmest. You will see our relevant things begin to turn. Gets a little bit more animated, shall we say? Regardless of the circumstances, they're just big mad. I'm not saying that anything that they're saying is necessarily wrong. And shut up. You definitely have been saying, you definitely said that Jay was wrong on like a point that Jay didn't even make in terms of like relevance or like benefit or utility from this. It's just funny to hear him say that. It's like, okay. What I'm saying is it feels like they're hanging onto things and that their motivations are hanging onto things. Their motivations are cringe. The motivations are cringe. Even that motivation dig. I got no arguments. So I'll just talk about their motivation. I hate that shit, man. And they're hanging onto points for too long that are really weird. They're addressing things that are really like, I don't know, it's, I guess this is a YouTuber fucking shit. What? What like people don't like to be in the light about and have their shit stolen. Yes. Famously, that is a reserved attribute of YouTube. Of YouTube, yeah. I don't know. It's like, I'm not clout chasing. Prom, I promise. I'm not clout. I made no money off of this when we know that's literally a lie. Ah, there it is. So there you go. And he's referring to the EFAP streams, by the way. Well, but I mean, is he referring to EFAP or is he referring to Jay's? He clarifies later that, yeah, because obviously Jay would have made money by now with the video he's watching, but he's talking about specifically the Jay's initial criticism of Hassan's coverage, which was no money. No, but like if someone wrongs you and then you take that instead of just whining about it and doing nothing productive and you take the wrong, someone wronging you and you produce something of value to yourself with it, that should be applauded, not criticized. And the crazy thing to me is that Jay actually has made it very clear his concern isn't even whether or not he did make money. But that doesn't matter. Right, there's the violation and shittiness of it. Yeah. When you can verify in 30 seconds that they're lying, like RTBA did, they juiced the shit dry. They juiced it, milked it. Look, he literally, he's juicing it so hard, he managed to take a several month old video and just do video 2.0. Let's let me counter that with he's clearly not juiced it very hard by waiting months before making a video on it. That's the opposite, yeah. That is the opposite. Also, this is a very streamer-centric mentality of, oh, I can't believe it took him months to put out content. Why doesn't he just put his ass in front of a fucking webcam in his closet and turn it on? I have no idea what's going on in the head, like you juiced it. The idea of me to like juice a thing is like so streaming, he would have done multiple streams and videos, right? It's like, well, what is he doing in reality? Jay did one parody stream, just doing what Hassan did but back to him, and then explained very calmly the issues and then said, I'm going to be making a video on this with all the relevant clips and citations and stuff. Don't know when it'll be out. And then months later, made it. That is juicing it. That doesn't seem that bad, really. It seems pretty normal. To be honest, this video was, how can I stir it? To be fair, he thinks that Jay is also thrown in the EFAP streams. So, I guess you could call that juicing it at that point, but it has nothing to do with Jay. Dealing your content, I just say, Hassan, we are not the same. True. He managed to literally just do, hey, how can I take that old drama that I was farming from that massive stream? Farming. And how can I do it again? Always Jay farming. Farmed it once and he's farming it again. He just did it for a second. Responding is farming, I guess. You can't have any reaction to anything that happens to you. If someone bigger than you does anything to you, positive or negative, you are not allowed to have a reaction to it. No, you're farming. Just shut up and take it. Just shut up and take it, pleb. And also, just like, oh, several months later, decided to bring it up again. It's like, no, Jay worked on other stuff and then was going to make that video later to talk about a broader subject. I guess it's the streamer concept of what it goes into making a YouTube video. What? You mean that it took you more than one day? You mean it took more than a day to make something? Yeah. I don't just turn on a camera and get a one-to-one return in content. Seems to me that that's more likely that they're juicing it at that point if they respond immediately with a long stream or something. It's like you're trying to jump on it as soon as possible. Taking months to make sure your references are straight and to proof it. And to edit it. Why is that juicing it? Second time. Like the recycling machine is on maximum overdrive. Your reaction streamer, shut the fuck up about recycling. This is Jay maximum farming apparently. Making one video several months after the fact. Yep. He's complaining that Jay's farming and he's reacting to what he's complaining to. Yeah, you're just farming, man. You know, he probably agreed with you. He'd probably be like, yeah, I am. But at least I'm honest about it. We're like, oh. Oh, the projection area. I'm juicing TFA. That's true. Oh. He's like, yeah, you know what? Actually, I need an idea for a video. You know that old drama that happened? Let's just talk about it again in the same way. Oh, he hasn't. It's not the same way at all. Actually, Hassan's not even really central to it at all. Nope. Honestly, it's about broader topic. Which maybe that's why irrelevant doesn't get it because it's about principle and maybe he didn't know what those are or he's more of a something. I don't know. Pretty strange. But yeah, that would be why. When nothing is changed, it's. I don't know. It's just like the idea that this person hasn't profited off of it and shit. I don't know. What wasn't the point? Half the argument is built on. So if you settle in court or something, you just like, oh, I got wrong, but I made some money off of it. So I can't complain or say anything. Interesting way to look at the world, certainly. Fighting anything. Also, didn't Jay say I'm not sure. I don't even know how to prove if this was a negative or a positive overall. Pretty sure that's what Jay said. Content creator, which just isn't true as RTBA fucking linked with a budget. I just don't like it when people stop using that as evidence. You moron. You don't understand it. People like lie in order to make their. What's the lie? Tell me what the lie is. What is the lie? Tell me the lie. I need to know the lie. It is central to your statements being true or not. So when you're having a conversation with someone, a lot of people tend to tone. It seems to be like the big giveaway or something that people latch on to to infer wrongness or, I guess, or meanness or anything like that. Calling someone a liar is worse than saying fuck in terms of what you're saying about rather than just being loud or saying a harsh word. Just always keep that in mind. Yeah, like being fucking angry with your point when I just simply agree with you, Frank. It's a pretty chill compared to aren't you lying right now? Exactly, all right. Who passed the tonality because like already, because of course it's the tone of this is going to change very soon. Infinitely amusing as well. Calling Jay a liar with evidence he doesn't understand and was simply told by chat is true. Nice. Good work. I guess he is taking back to the bank. Yeah, he took back to the bank in an instant. Oh, yeah. This is just ramping up. This all just ramps up. It is. You got a lot of stuff to see in chat. We got a lot of stuff. We have so many things to show you. Such delights. For like succinct, I guess. Like this shit, like are you joking or talking about these? Obviously, these are nine hours long. They're not all talking about. Oh, the ones that Jay is not in. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Can I just say a rare R-relevant W right there? He said these aren't all about the same topic. Congratulations. You did it. I'm very impressed. You should read sort of titles. You succeeded by many others failed. Our bar is so high right now, as you can tell. We are very impressed. Jay icon on the picture. No, you can't see Jay. Jay is in the title of one of them. He just saw it as a topic. I guess he just, yeah. Unless Jay is a chef, then he, I guess, is one of them. Oh, you know, yeah. Do you know I updated? I'm pretty sure the descriptions are both of those videos at the top. It just says bafflingly, Jay is not actually in this or something like that, just so that if anyone takes a screenshot, the description will say it. But unfortunately, I was too late to put it in this one. I have the other shit in it. But like, bro, I don't know what to tell you. He's like front page and there's for a reason. He's front page. He's making the money. Is Mueller, it's his friends. Oh, it's his friends that he's on. The podcast that he's on. They can't keep getting away with that. They can't keep getting away like that. Can't keep getting away with that. I like how people were like, wait, wait, Mueller, that doesn't say Jay actually. There's like, maybe it's his friends. It's his friends. The podcast that he is on, okay. I love this assumption there almost that because I'm friends with Jay, it counts as Jay's benefit to defend Jay. It's like, well, that's pretty cool as an effect, my dude. I'm friends with him for a reason. Does he not know what friendship it? Well, maybe he doesn't. Jay is our friend and we think that he's correct. Friendship is when you sit in silence next to someone as you eat together. Okay. Poop together. And poop together. Yes. To my now, or at least that's what the lad was saying. There you go. It's all good now. He said, at least that's what the person said because you can tell. Hey, you know what? I'm sorry that I said all of those very harsh things, Jay. All right. I'll walk that back. I jumped the gun. I'm sorry. Is that he didn't make money off of him watching the video or his content that he can make money off of the song? Drama is not a surprise to anyone. But that's how half the time you make money. That's how half the time. So you're taking a 50-50 chance to the bank. Well, just to. And it's not even. Just to lay that out perfectly, right? Because that shatter, nice, by the way. You nailed it as quickly as you could. Our relevant is like, you lied to me. You said you didn't make anything from Hasan's coverage when you clearly did these podcasts. And then the chatter said, well, that's fine. Like you can respond to the controversy of not benefiting at all from someone stealing your stuff, right? And then our relevant was like, but that is how you make the money. It's like, oh, you're like fucking stupid. So the problem is that Hasan owes Jay something in some way, just ethically, in the initial action. Just because Jay can find a way to monetize it does not then make Hasan fine. What the hell are you talking about? Exactly. That's not how it works. Does he think, yeah, I guess it's a mindset of if you make money off of it, it's all good? Like Jay didn't even monetize it. That's technically EFAP monetized it. No principle. Which, by the way, you're monetizing it too. Yeah. So fuck off. What is all of this nonsense? There's so many arguments all over the place. Nobody said stop. It's gonna look like the biggest gaping asshole who ever lived. There's such a fucking dingus, dude. That's his show, their channel name. Oh, man. That was dead so fucking hard. Like, what is this attitude that you have? You stupid fuck defend the Sun. Why does he get so angry? I don't know. I'm pretty sure he ends up banning that person, by the way, at the end of that clip. Yeah, he does. That would surprise me. He does. He does. He does. He does. He does. He ends the fuck out of everyone. He does. And I feel that I need to stop. Was that that bad? Yes. He's acting like a child. He's acting like a spoiled child who's never been told no in their life. He was in response to someone saying, please show the channel name. How the hell is that a normal reaction? Which he didn't do. And then he just starts yelling at them and then bans them. And then all of the chat who this guy probably thought was he had a sense of community and laugh and mock as he is. Yeah. A public execution. Check and avoid. Yep. Yeah. This mob-ness, you know? It's so disgusting with his son. He's so clearly in the wrong. Instead of just being like a normal person and being like, okay, you know, try to show Jay's channel. I apologize. I won't watch any of his videos anymore. I'll try to show people's channels going forward in the future. But no, he just freaks out and starts banning people, refuses to take even a modicum of responsibility for his mistake here. Also. Hassan is just, like, Hassan is a bad person. Yes. The way he's just a bad person. He doesn't have any, like, moral lines or principles. He's super selfish. He's spoiled rotten. There's just nothing positive that I have to say about him. He's just a nasty person. Speaking of nasty people. Hello, Shold Fanataku. Welcome. Oh, my God. Dev is here. But he's muted. Oh, there you go. Hello. Oh, Dev. This guy. Hi, everyone. What's going on? We're having some fun. So to catch you up, I've got a super cut of... I'm sorry about that. I'm sorry. That's all right. So good. To be fair, we haven't even gone halfway through the video, so... Well, I just want to say real quick what happened was I ended up being double booked. And I thought, like, I didn't know what time zone you guys meant when you said your time. Oh, look at this guy. Look at this guy. You can Google it. So I was set up to talk to a Conno Boy about other things. I was like, gosh, shit. And then, Moller, you said I could be a couple of hours late, so... Well, yeah, we've still got half a show to go, so... Yeah, so to catch up, there's a link for you. This is a super cut I made of a Twitch streamer reacting to Jay's video about, like, ethics in reaction content. And my God, how did you guys summarize what we've seen so far? Cool. Man. Endless trash. I mean, the best part of the conversation was about the bathrooms, so... Honestly, yeah. And we provided that, so... Yeah, shitter architecture has been the most enlightening thing. I think we've been able to wrangle it. Yeah, legitimately. Not to say that what we're talking about is boring, but it's... We'll roll it back a little, but I guess to catch you up right now, we're on... Well, you know what? I'm just going to play it, so I'm not even sure how to summarize where exactly we are. Half the time you make money, or it could make him look like the biggest gay thing asshole who ever lived. There's such a fucking dingus, dude. They just showed their channel name on ass. That was dead so fucking hard. Like, what is this attitude that you have? You stupid fuck. Man. How are both those clips from the same stream? Well, all will be explained. And I feel that I need to stuff... Was that that bad? I still find that hilarious. It's very telling that you don't even think that's bad. Well, maybe that'll inform a bit of a change in his attitude that is very soon to come. Oh my goodness gracious. So, just out of curiosity, have we seen the bit yet where Hasan literally turns on a video and then goes off to make chicken nuggies? Oh yeah, they're doing that for context, yeah. Okay, all right. I just want to know, because that was... You know, I understand chicken nuggies are pretty important, but still. Yeah, definitely. Do you want him to die? Not okay to, you know, play someone else's video if they don't want you to play it. So that's not actually true. What did he say exactly? It was hard for... If you remember, his apology to Jay is when someone tells you they don't want you playing their videos, that's when you stop playing them. Yeah, so, right. So he's got it backwards. You were meant to ask for permission first. If you're going to steal it, if you're going to react to it, you don't need the position. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. If you're going to transform it, then you don't need permission. But it's so bizarre how we can like... Dude, this is your job. How do you not understand like that it's the other way around? Because he doesn't have credit, you know. And further, if they tell you to stop, you don't have to. Right. Like, say for example, if our relevance in chat right now saying stop reacting to my stream, we'd be like, no. No, because it's transformative. It's fair use. It's critique. And you put it out publicly. You can do it. Yeah. Yeah, it fits all the boxes. So, yeah, Hassan's position here of if anyone tells you to stop reacting to this stuff, you stop. I don't know why. Well, the... Yeah, it's like, I stopped. We're good, right? It's like, no, like the wrong has already occurred. And also, I think just from like a real politic level, you almost want to say no to make him like file a claim against you. Because maybe then you could... That could actually snowball into something. So, I think if you're really trying to shit sir, it's like, no, go ahead. Come up, come at me. Oh, you could, yeah. If I don't even know... Would you have the right to do that at all, though? To like try... Well, you could do it on YouTube. You could just file the claim and like would it play out legally? Who knows? But, you know, I've had a few actual... Like, I've had some... I had somebody mail me a cease and desist based on a video, like to my house. Nice. Really? Yes. Ease. That was good old Phil Fish during the Gamergate day. Oh, oh. What a character Phil Fish is. You could have had it all. You could have been a contender. It is good that he has this attitude, but ultimately the phrase bare minimum does spring to mind. Like, yeah, him saying this is better than the alternative, but the alternative would be him going, I don't care how the creator feels. I get to take whoever's content I want and then doing an evil laugh, saying, sorry, what a rudder is options, though. You can't just... Ah, here it comes. Ah, here we go. This incredible imagination capacity that these people have. It's pretty consistent with him. So what are Hassad's options? Option one. I'm not going to watch videos anymore. Option two. Fuck you, I'm going to keep watching them. And that's it, right? It's like, well... Option three, credit J. Option four. Talk about why you enjoyed the video, why you used it for what you did, and then maybe do another reaction and be like, this time I'm actually going to comment on the things I liked about it and then promote the video. That would be really awesome. That would be a really cool result. But no, you opted to just say, if someone says don't react, you don't, which I agree with J. That is actually the bare minimum that crosses into ethical, I think, in terms of this moment. Like, you've still done a bad and you haven't really accounted for it, but you did the bare minimum at this point. It's sad and you hate to see it. Do you expect a person who makes content for a living to have a little bit better of an imagination? You'd think, but no. This is, I don't know, he doesn't have any other option, his option either is to be an asshole or to quote unquote do the bare minimum. This is like if I give you a really big stick, right? And I say to you, you have two options. You can either beat an old lady with this stick or not. That is a terrible analogy. What? He is even that analogy. Okay, what the fuck? Analogies are a wonderful tool and you have not used them well. So let me have, I can help him out. If he was like, which do you choose that I say, well, I'm not going to beat her. And he goes, ah, so the bare minimum. And I'll be like, well, so in this scenario, let's say this old woman was next to a road. I'd be like, I can help her cross it. I can help her carry a shopping. I can be like, what is the nature of me and this lady's relationship? Because Jay and Hassad is completely different from some random old lady who asked me to beat. A more apt analogy is you've already smacked the lady across the head. Do you continue bubbling her while she's down or do you stop? It's like, you've already done them. And the degree is, you could hit her once, twice, three, four, five. These are all different degrees of responses. Harder, softer. How are you not aware of this? Or you could, or you could help her up and take her to the hospital, profusely apologize and do everything you can to make things right. Exactly. Oh, I don't know about that. He's... Wow. I mean, because to make the analogy clearer, the woman is the video. By hitting her, you have watched it without transforming it. You have already done the wrong. Your options now are continue hitting her, i.e. continue watching more videos without transforming them or to cease doing it. But nothing else can be done. You are restricted from doing anything else. Your stupid fucking POV. Nothing else. What a terrible analogy. Just end. It's so bad. It's so bad. I can believe that if someone, you know, if someone has really low IQ, like they're actually stupid, they don't have the ability to mentally process hypotheticals. You know, like they can't, they mentally just cannot do it. That's his fun. Well, see, one of the most frustrating things about like internet conversations in general is it seems like a good number of people do not like analogies when they are one. Oh, yeah, I know. Analogies are a fantastic tool for figuring out your principles, for trying to identify any inconsistencies in your line of reasoning. And often when the hypothetical is extreme, the point is that your principles are being tested to an extreme so that you can figure out what you really believe. They are very, very, very useful. Don't let anybody tell you otherwise. But if you use analogies, try to make sure that they are analogous to whatever situation you're talking about. Not like, well, this is comparable to getting given a stick and either bludgeoning someone to death or not. Whenever I see someone on the internet start a hypothetical, my ears perk straight the fuck up, and I want to know how bad they're going to screw up the analogy because it just happens so often. Rags, let's say you and I crash on an island, OK? Well, we're not on an island. What do you mean? I'm here at my desk. I'm here at my desk. Also crash. This is so stupid. Why am I even talking to you? Yeah, crashing doesn't happen that often. No point. This wouldn't happen. I would never crash on an island. I live in Arkansas. Let us remain in reality, OK? Crashes don't even happen that often. And you go, I'm just not going to be an old lady with the stick. And then you go, well, I mean, like that's the bare minimum. It's like, bro, you gave me two options. No, you didn't. No. You have all the options. Because remember, if someone hands you a stick and they say, beat the woman or don't, you can be like, now I'm going to call the police on you, dude. Like you got a lot of options around you. That was never listed as an option for any of your cheating. I like the idea. It's like my only options are those provided to me by someone else. It's like, no, actually, you are an agent. Don't only say what else. The one who wants you to beat the woman. Yeah, I feel like you're leading me towards a path that I can't follow. I feel like Padme here. Yep. I don't know how you could critique somebody who only has two options. He's having so much trouble. Two options. No, he has two. The two options for his response. His response, he has two options. He has more than two. Why? Why? There's only two things that he can do. As a human being, he can only do two things. There's nothing else he could do. He didn't even put apologize as one of those two options. Yeah. That was a choice. Can't be done. Yeah, he says two options that continue watching his videos without crediting or to not watch his videos anymore. Why are those the two? There's no, yeah, as if there's no restorative action that can be taken to try and make things right. Apologize. You could bring Jay on and talk to Jay. And what Jay requested was that you can continue. Please just credit me in future. That's what Jay's request was. That's what Jay said. Yes. Hassan is like, oh, I just won't watch it anymore. And the fact that he, because Hassan did it in a very like, I just won't watch him anymore. Yeah, he said he doesn't want me to. Like that's the tone with which he said that. Yeah, like me stealing your. If I steal from you, that is a privilege. Don't you know who I am? Do you know how many people wish that I could steal from them? Like this fucking Duke of Nottingham attitude. One is to say, hey, I'm going to continue watching the video. Or two, I'm not. Those are his two options. All he can do. All I can do is a binary. Narrow minded. Like how else can you explain this? You have tunnel vision on two options. And that's it. That's it. There is no other options in material reality that he can. There's no, he even said it. He said there are no option, more options in material reality. There's literally nothing else that can be done. Apologizing is not physically or logically possible. He's not just floating around in like a void in space. He's got a computer there. He's only got two options. Hit the space button to keep playing or not. That's it. The intrinsic laws of the universe will not allow for him to apologize. Yeah, it's so weird. Cannot logically be done. Because within his own two options, there are variations of the choices. Like if Hassan said, I will continue to watch yours, just nowhere near as often. Or I will not watch any of yours and any of yours that you appear in, or anyone who's friends with you. You know what I mean? Like the two options have branches as well. Why do you assume that this is it? How strange. The choices are binary. They don't exist on a spectrum. I'm telling you, I think it's just, I think that he's an idiot. That's crazy, right? I think that is like, I, it's like, you know, I know we throw around that word a lot. But like an actual dumb person. It's not just, oh, he said something dumb or something like that. No, like this guy's actually stupid. He could just be trying to force an argument for Hassan's fate. I think so. I think that this is desperation right here, because he's defending himself through proxy. Like he does the exact same shit. Yeah, it seems like there's, I don't know if it has like an official name for what I'm talking about, but there's this rhetorical flourish where you just don't admit the elephant in the room and you hope no one notices. And you just, you know, you make, you're like, I'm trying to be reasonable here. Here's the, here's the only options. Option A and option B. And that's all there is, guys. And like option C is right there. And you just kind of stand in front of it and you go, that's all there is. Yeah, it's like, it's not poisoning the well. It's like hiding the well. Yeah, what do you mean? Right off the bat. You're just like, so. What do you mean? There is no, what do you mean? Assuming facts, not an evidence. Like, well, seeing as these are the only two possible things that can be done, and then you just trail off after that, but you'd leave with that. Yeah, I would now like to remind all of you that there are three people we wish to cover, and this is the best of the three. Oh, no, oh, no. It's going to get worse. You want Dev to come back. I do, actually, if he wants to. He can do. We've already inoculated. Hey, stop watching my videos. What can you do? You have two options. Say fuck off, or say, yeah, sure, my bad, and stop. And then to go, oh, well, yeah, you did stop. So yeah, I mean, but that's like the bare minimum. It's funny because he's completely fucked up. That's not what even Jay said. Jay's comment comes up later. Are you saying he's a bad listener? Very bad list. He thinks Jay keeps repeating his points and he hasn't even absorbed any of them. So it's just like. Oh, he's like reading. He's like listening. And? Oh yeah, Dev, he said he doesn't like books because they repeat points all the time. They're too long. Well, too long. I mean, to be fair, there are definitely some authors that are way too long to read themselves. He says it about books. But he says it about books broadly. It's like a medium. My only options, uh, link to video. No, he was talking about his response. Yeah, his response to the specific statement about whether or not he was going to continue watching the video after the person was like, yo, fuck off. And he has infinite options to respond. Why are there only two in your mind? That's the problem. That's what he's talking about. He didn't say stop watching the video. It was about him watching the content without due process, without permission. As you can see, his chat of kind of cottoned on to how fucking retarded his stream is. Yeah, kind of like, wait a minute, but what about this? And his response being, hey, I'm going to stop watching your videos because what you're representing as my content or whatever the fuck is the bare minimum. Yeah, whatever. I'm just going to stop watching your video because he even said later, specifically, when a YouTuber says for you to stop watching a video, then that means that you should stop watching their content. A YouTuber has the right to be able to retract their consent for you to... They never gave consent. Yeah, right. You never gave it. They can't retract consent they never gave. Yeah. You don't get consent by default unless you're transforming it. That's insane. So yeah, you completely fucked this up now. And I love this sense of like, I am virtuous for I will respect them when they retract their consent. It's like, they never gave it. What are you fucking talking about? They never gave it. You need their permission first. I want you to transform it. Oh, God, I was... How's the retracting consent? Like, retroactively makes it bad? Or like, what a bizarre kind of... It's not. It's not rape rags. She just retracted her consent. Oh, God, I don't know. No, it's I was raped because I consented at the time, but now I'm retracting that consent. Therefore, retroactively, that makes it rape. She retracted her consent afterwards. What am I supposed to do? Well, I said I wasn't asleep with it anymore. What am I supposed to do? Well, is she a bigger streamer than you? No. If she is, you just have to fucking take it. Now you're the one getting fucked. How do you like it? The spiciest variant of this is just a clip the part where it's where he says, you automatically have consent. Oh, there's a lot of really fucking interesting logic. Did you see how that stream was dressed? I mean, come on. I had to watch a YouTube video. So clearly this is interpreting in his mind in one very specific way. And I believe it is a reasonable way based off of the interactions that he had with this individual, which is stop watching my fucking content. That never happened. Jay never said stop watching my fucking content. He never said stop watching my fucking content. He certainly didn't say it. I said you can watch it. Just credit it. I don't know if it is logically possible in the material universe for Jay to even have that tone. Yeah, but hey, Chad, does it sound like Jay to say to us, stop watching my fucking content? Does that sound like Jay? It barely sounds like any of us. It's very manipulative to frame Jay with this tone. This is what I mean. How is it fair when Jay does all this work to remain as civil and just above board as possible? This is the reaction like what the first happened? It is incredibly unfair, the reaction that Jay has received. He handled it about as well as he could have and tried to put in as many caveats as possible, as many qualifiers as possible, some of which weren't really needed or should be needed. They're just nasty people. So yeah. It's just so unfair. Remember how he called Jay a liar? It's like, something was lying. Just saying. There is a lie. That is true. Jesus, his response could have been, oh, I will give credit or not walk away. No. Yeah. What do you mean? He means exactly what's that. No, it's not possible. This is the real thing to give credit. No. This is Dev's analogy, where you point to the third option behind them and they go, what? No. What is this? What do you mean? I have no attention to the option behind the curtain. I didn't acknowledge this option. You kind of have this. He could, it's after the fact. How is it? Do you have a time machine? You can give credit after the fact. You fucking moron. Because I've already seen this. This is something that he really struggles with. And I think it is the recognition that the wrong has already happened and you kind of, you can't fix that. But you can. What do I do when I watched it and I didn't react and didn't transform? And it's like, yeah, so you screwed up is what's happened. Now you need to like try and fix that. Like to simply do nothing is you're in a negative position. Like negative in terms of the wrong doing. You need to bump it back to neutral by shouting out the channel. Profusely apologizing would also help too. Yeah. Remember when Monday Matt had his big thing where it came out. He was flagging all those people and doing all that sort of thing. This is what happened with him in the fact that like a proper and meaningful apology. Heart of that comes down to what can I do to undo the damage that I've done and make up for it, right? A path that he never even attempted to explore, right? But it would have gone so far if he said like, oh, I'm going to give some money back to the people I flagged because maybe I hurt them or maybe I can do something for them and that will help to in some way undo the damage that I've caused. It's the same issue here. The idea that, oh, it's in the past. So I can do nothing to make up for it. Well, and so to compare. If Matt was on stream, people were like, why aren't you apologizing? The argument I'm relevant is making. It would be the equivalent of Matt saying, well, the wrong is done. It's too late. It's too late. There's nothing I can do. Just get over it, basically. And I have a feeling they wouldn't say this about the Holocaust or slavery. Just going to probably wouldn't say it about that. There are so many other things. It's more common to fucking apologize for a wrong after it's done, not doing it. That's how, yeah, because you've learned about it. That's how you know to ask. So yeah, all Hassan had to do. If he provides credit now, then it's rectified as far as Jay is concerned. But that's the problem. He doesn't. I can guarantee that if you were to look through all relevance content or Hassan's content, you'd see them talk a lot about restorative or retributive justice constantly in terms of. Well, I mean, it's an aspect of our system anyway. When you were convicted or found guilty or your fans have lost a civil case, the whole point of damage is how do we balance the score? Like if what you did to somebody cost them money, well, then you need to pay them whatever money you have. If you've caused them emotional damage, there'll be like damages that take those into account. Like these are built into literally the concept of justice. That's the point. That's the point of the system is that you're meant to restore the wrong person to a state of neutrality. Like where it's okay again, you've screwed up, but you're going to make it as right as we can. Obviously, you can't undo the past, but there's always options available to you to say, oh, I screwed up. Anyway, and then just move on. Until the Justice Department creates a time machine for you to go back in time and prevent yourself from doing the harm, it's all meaningless. Can there even be justice? Imagine being in his chair. He tells you, I need a time machine if I'm going to do anything to rectify this. You just be like, why are you... You're not supposed to be stupid. Why are you doing this? It is a good money-making scheme, though, to be like, hey, I need super chats to buy a time machine so that I can undo the wrongs of the past, make it happen. Make it happen. You want this going. Maybe I forgot. Maybe we have time machines. I never knew that was like, wow, that's crazy. What are you talking about? What an idiot. He couldn't really ask for more explicit declaration that he's not going to change the way he does things. I am from... And that is Jay's main point, by the way, that this changes nothing about his operation. This changes nothing about how damage is dealt. He just decides, yeah, now other people, other than Jay, will be the victims of this approach. Which should give you a sense that this isn't about Jay or Hasan. It's about the concept, the idea. But never mind. Then onwards, from then onwards, he could fucking do that. Sure, he could. Oh, there we go. We've highlighted option three, and he's agreed. Oh, that's a third option. Wait, where... Holy shit, did the rules of the universe- Looks like somebody time-driveled. It was just too big that third option. He couldn't hide anymore. Got too big. If he wanted to, for this person, but the reasonable interpretation that he had of the person's content, who directly told him to fuck off. No, he didn't. No, he didn't. You're getting very mad over an incorrect point, my friend. Yeah, you're so angry with something that didn't happen, but okay. ...was, I'm not going to watch your video. It feels as though you don't want me to watch your video. That is fine. It is well within your right to retract your consent for me to watch your video. Stop saying that. Stop saying that. Stop saying that. Stop saying that. ...in the tractor. Oh, no, look at the emot on the screen. They're scared of him now, the chat. Oh, no, I already asked for this. That's the face of retracting consent. I don't know who our relevant is. Is he like a socialist, or is he like a... Progressive or what? I don't actually know. Sock damn, I think. I have no idea. I don't know. Hold on, let me look it up here. Either way, he's an idiot. Yeah, he's just kind of in the same... He does the same shit as Hassan. I guess I'd say he's better because Hassan is rock bottom, but you know. Okay, at 5,000 subs, I'd call him a crumb tuber. Not a crumb. I get the crumb. I get the crumb. Oh, I find it funny that this atomized individual argument is coming from socialists. And even these constant connections between all people at all times. And so they have a stake in what you do, and so they should own part of your business and all this other shit. But it's like, no, he's his own man. He's an island unto himself. He has no connection. He doesn't need to apologize for anything. Yeah, these breadtuber types, there are really some rules for me. I bought you a computer. I said, yeah, I'll let you own the means of your production. Oh, no. He said, well, you know, I knew. Very, very, very good people. Because like Hassan watching all these other people's content. I mean, this is rent seeking behavior. This is, you know, they was complaining about landlords, you know, not producing anything. This is what's happening. It's just I'm using your content for my monetary gain. And either way, even in the video itself right there, he is talking about the person, talking about the specific individual. I don't know what you're talking about. So he feels, I guess, that's good enough as credit is to just simply talk about Jay. Is this what I mean? The clout brain is completely fucked. It's like, if I said Jay is the worst content creator online, never sub versus Jay is great sub. He sees that as like the same. It's like, yeah, that's promotion either way. He did give them credit. He talked about the video. He talked about the creator of the video. No, he didn't. No, he didn't. No, he didn't. He was very shocked that someone would even suggest to do it. Yeah. Did Hassan ever, even once, did like Jay criticize? To be fair, I think our relevance referring to the second portion, if you will, right? So what Hassan does is he loads up Jay's stream, the parody stream, and says, this is a drama. He didn't like that. I didn't react hard enough. And then he scrolls down, reads some comments, says, what do you want me to do? Die. And then he scrolls up, reads Jay's and says, fine. I won't react to your stuff anymore. And then he started yelling a lot off to that. Yeah, he yelled at his chat. You can argue, absolutely, that Jay's name appears at that point. But to say that Hassan gave Jay credit, that's fucked. I'm sorry. That's just, that's fucked. This is a lull nice reach moment. Yeah. Yeah. You would, it would be easier for you to make an argument that Hassan went out of his way to avoid giving Jay credit. If anything, it highlights why he's so dumb on the choices thing because if he said to me like, showing Jay's name on screen is the exact same as saying Jay's a great content creator, you should subscribe. Here's a link. He sees those as the same choice. So it's. Which is absurd. Yeah, it's not the same, but fine. If you think so. And then again, the fabric of reality only grants you two choices and apparently giving credit isn't even one of them until now. Great extension. I don't know what you're referencing. There's two options. Recognize that the individual has the right to be able to retract their consent. Stop it. You'll be able to watch their video or don't. Based on what this individual said, it is unbelievably reasonable to get that interpretation that he told them to fuck off. It is. So someone in chat said he didn't say fuck off and now he's saying it's reasonable to interpret that. Not, not only did he not say that, he said you were allowed to watch it as long as you either give credit or transform it. That is explicitly what Jay said in the video and in the comments section of his reuploads as well like for the for the streams. How can you blame Jay for someone interpreting fuck off from that? What the hell? He's already wasted on these people. Yeah. So unbelievably reasonable that I feel like your mind is fucking tainted. If you believe yours is tainted. You know what, man? That's that is that's a funny. It's funny. You said that. I don't know, man. Also, why are you so angry? This is, I mean, coming across as, I mean, he talks about Jay's. I guess Jay just fucking hates Hassan. This comes across as you have this idolization and need to defend Hassan that certainly goes past the bounds of rationality. It's either that you feel very compelled to defend Hassan or you feel compelled to defend something that. Hassan is an extension of me or a very cool with. Yeah, like. Like Hassan does what I do. I need to defend him to legitimize what I do. Well, also, yeah, his channel seems to be full of people that his channel is full of videos of just doing the exact same thing it looks like. So I think this is more of like self defense than anything else. Yeah. I think that's why most people have come to Hassan's defense in such a ridiculous way. Well, he's also just getting mad because his chat is smelling through his bullshit. And so he's becoming very defensive that even his own audience is like, I don't know about this all relevant. Oh, no, the tide is turning. The tide is there. He's on the beach. He's like, no, I feel like going this way. No, no, get away. No, you took it to the bank. Now cash it. Well, the chat's pointing out that third option. And so he just starts screaming. So they said, I'll get them out of, like, rather attention away. He's very aggrieved. Jealous making down to three. That's only going to get funnier from here. Oh, yes. That Hassan was obtuse for coming to that fucking conclusion. He was obtuse. With the fucking victory that he did. He was cheating on Hassan with the fucking tweets that he made about Hassan. It is unbelievably reasonable if you actually watched this fucking video that he was just telling him to fuck off. So Hassan hasn't seen that video. He just scanned through it. And the proof for that is that Jay leaves the seat in the first few minutes. And Hassan, if you guys remember, was surprised by that when he sees it. So he hasn't seen the video. So saying that Hassan was right to interpret the video as a fuck you and fuck off. Don't watch my videos. You're literally just commenting on how useless Hassan's brain is. Yes. Hassan was wrong to think it and you're wrong for thinking that it was reasonable. Yeah, stop defending it. It's not. Jay is almost frustratingly charitable with these people. The video is filled with caveats that ought to be unnecessary. And even then, look at what happened. Look at what happened. Can you say agenda? It was unbelievably reasonable. But whatever, we can just. Hassan was the unbelievably reasonable one in this. Correct. It's shockingly unreasonable. Like it's not reasonable to do because we want to just act like it's not reasonable. That's fine. Perfectly fine. You're an idiot. This is just the standard. Can you rewind it? I'm not. I can't rewind the fucking. I don't have a time machine. I can't just rewind videos. In conjunction. In conjunction. In the fucking video. Oh, look at these emotes, man. They're like. That is a sad. I can't rewind. That is a that is a very, very sad. That is a rare sad. They were annoying, but now we actually get to an insight on how the chat doing. Which isn't doing too great because he didn't fucking play it. You're right. Jay didn't play his dream parody in his video about Hassan doing unethical react content because why the fuck would he mean? No, I can't do that. That's how somebody wants to link the original video. He did. He did recognize there was no consent given. He went on. You just said earlier that he retracted the consent. So how could he recognize there was no consent given if it was retracted? Listen, listen, listen. Maybe he forgot the consent was the consent was retracted at the very first second of the interaction. At moment zero, that's when it was retracted to say that it is usually assumed that consent is given for all YouTube videos. No. Why would you ever say that? Why in what universe is that true? You have you have consent to steal everything until someone says stop it. Yeah. Try that in real life. You have to steal everything. Socialism. Free use is an affirmative defense to you doing something. It is just, again, to reiterate copyright is what makes something that you've created like your property. And when you have rights to property, you enforce those against everybody. Unless there is a reason that it is assumed that the permission is required from you because you own it and have exclusive rights over it, unless it is transformed, unless it is used for critique, unless it is used for educational purposes. Now, that's not not only is that just the way that it works, but it also ought to work that way as a matter of principle. You made it. It's yours. And I think that he's just lumping himself and Hassan in with everyone like us, where it's like, we don't steal. We react and we transform. And it's like, no, no, no, you guys steal. I'm sorry. You guys don't react. You can't when you sit there and you're just like, this is my and then true. Okay. Anyway, I'm going to click off before they can even promote themselves. This is not transformative content. It's weird about that thing is that I couldn't tell if you were doing an impression of Hassan or irrelevant. No, I know. I think they were getting a bit mixed up. I need something to ease or just make it breathing. I'm probably going to get nuggets today. Even after we're done chicken nuggets. So just chicken nuggets are pretty swell, I will say. I can understand that they are like this. I want someone to draw this now. Nuggets are like a siren. You know, they sit there on the cliff luring unsuspecting streamers away from the screen so that they continue to play. You know, the nuggies in their little dresses and the little like shells on them, you know, they're singing that siren song luring all the way to the rocks. I don't know about you, but there's actually a deal on right now in my area. Uber eats 24 nuggets from Burger King. Six bucks. I'm going for it. Six bucks. That's a good deal. I had some Burger King nuggets once because they did like a 15 nuggets for they was some ungodly cheap number. The nuggets were like 10 cents each or something stupid. And so I tried them and they were the most disgusting nuggets I've ever had. They tasted like 10 cent nuggets is what they did. Oh, there you go. So be wary of cheap nuggies. I think that's it. I think Sun-Zoo wrote that. Nugget quality does vary depending on which place you go to. Yeah, yeah. McDonald's have some good nuggets here. I know that maybe it's not the same in America. I like the nuggets here. Yeah. In America, McDonald's is like the lowest tier possible fast food you can get. It's like if you go to McDonald's, you just you lost life without dying. But it's like you lose you lose some of your it's that boss in Dark Souls 2 that takes your level, right? Oh, wait. No, that's demon souls. Well, you go to McDonald's and you have the nuggets. And now you realize why you need two toilets in your bathroom. So oh my goodness. That's Taco Bell. I'm sorry. Do you are making me so fucking frustrated? It just seems like the person's really mad. Oh, you. Oh, me. Oh, okay. So I wanted to point out here just just real quick. I want to point something out if you don't mind. This is a slight tangent, but it's okay. I'm actually pretty much fine. I am immune. I'm immunized to the effects of Burger King nuggets. Okay. Oh, no. And I want you guys you just just just pull this this up if you don't mind. I'll put it in the in the group call. All right. I have I have eaten at a place in Vancouver that that that looks like that looks like this. It is called the dollar meat store. It's a dollar store or meat. Oh, no. Why would you go in there? I wanted to see how much meat you can get for a dollar. I would be afraid that low point was this in your life. The dollar meat store. It's like it's it is it is it is Vancouver's Chinatown. It is the one of the dirtiest places I've ever been. What animal even is that on the sun? It's a nutra. It's right there. Nutra trading. I feel like there wasn't animal there, but I screwed it out or something. It was like it's actually an armadillo or something. It's an armadillo or something. Armadillo or meat. Armadillo or meat. Armadillo or meat. Oh, my God. I am in my great armadillo. Nutra and animal. I'm I'm a reason to be certain that they you know what a nutra is. It's you guys. I actually think that they do they do like kill seagulls and pigeons in the city and just eat them. I generally like chicken and it's like this wasn't chicken. This wasn't chicken. Maybe it is a nutra. That's crazy. That's a nutra. They're like swamp rats, essentially. You can eat the fuck out of them. No. All right. Well, it's like yeah, it's a nutra. So I think nutria is what some people give a nutra is. Yeah. Why don't you just leave them be? I think they're just like in they they're like rats, essentially. There's everywhere in the swamps and stuff. What are they called? What are they called? Nutra. How do you spell them? What does an IRA look like a sign? Which is why I brought it up. There's an eye in there. Oh. You can I think you can spell it with an eye, but it's both, essentially. That's pretty crazy. Mm hmm. Yeah, it's pretty crazy. So when they say when you're when I see the words nutra trading right next to the dollar meat store, I'm thinking they eat swamp rats. Yeah. Oh, apparently nutras are introduced in North America. They only live in like the southern part of South America, but they've been introduced in parts of America, parts of Europe and also Japan for some reason. Did it say via dollar meat store Chinese store? It was too expensive to eat them in the store. So they just released them into the wild. There's also like a small enclave of them in. I don't it's it's not Tanzania. It's the dam. There are 53 African countries. I can't memorize them all. I'm going to be annoyed if it was an obvious one. Someone in chess said it's like the Chinese attempt to do in the Welsh flag. This little guy. All right. Oh, that's yeah. There's a little grave. There's a little enclave of nutrias in Kenya for some reason. This is like the people who eat like mud and dirt outside. They get like it's so foul that their stomach becomes stronger. So dev went to this place. I did. Now they can eat McDonald's with no problem. Man, if you actually go to the dollar meat store, you can eat anything now. If you go to the dollar meat store on on Google Maps, there's a bunch of birds hanging in the window. And I'm not entirely sure they're chickens. They're birds. Oh, I thought you meant like they're there to eat the scraps that the humans couldn't digest. Nope. Nope. They're they're just they're just grilling up. They're grilling something up. Anyway, it was it was a unique experience. Oh, sounds to say. I bet. I'm just glad you're. I'm just glad you're OK. It's very cheap. I'm glad you're still with us. Yeah. All right. I'm frustrated that I'm from my perspective. This is not a good look. It just seems like the person's really mad. I don't care what you think is a good look. Are you joking? Are you joking? I'm in a Looney Tunes world. The assumption is not that you fucking moron. I assume you have to DM on it to watch one of his fucking YouTube videos. Well, if you're not going to transform it, you should. Yeah, you bet. You're actually going to do it. So calm down. Calm down. This is like this is like the meme of the kid who's like, why the fuck I got to work to make money? Yeah, it literally is that. I'm going to try a rolling back. See if we can figure out what he says. Asking for consent is exploitative. Oh my goodness. Are you joking? I'm in a Looney Tunes world. The assumption is not baseless. You fucking moron. I shouldn't have to DM on it to the audience. Some people shouldn't be streamers on my stream. You fucking moron. And from my perspective, this is not a good look. It just seems like the person's really mad. I'm just going to pause it. I'm just going to pause here. So this chat in the top, in the top left corner, is that a son's chat or a relevance chat? A son. That's a son's? Yeah. Okay. I don't think a relevant person put a shadow on screen. He doesn't put it on screen. No. Okay, okay, because I'm seeing right there, you know, the commas are in our content, our content, our content. I have to DMJ before I fucking watch this video of them. If you're not going to transform it, yes. Yeah, if you're going to steal it, yes. I like how he's about to scream what is wrong with you when this is fair use. This is just how it works. Yep. I've just announced fucking 500 DMs before my stream, so I have to watch it. So like, blow yourself, dude. Oh wow. That's incredible. I guess it's just funny because it's versatility. Yeah, that is how, yes, you do need to ask for that permit. It belongs. The fact that he doesn't understand, it belongs to them. It is freely available for you to watch on YouTube, but that is the means by which the creator has allowed for this to be disseminated. You're rebroadcasting it on your own, presumably copyrighted stream, which it would be anyway if you created it. It's not that it belongs to us, Comrade. That's right, but actually, though. Maybe you guys went over this before I showed up, so apologies. But in your opinion, the opinion of the four of you, how much reacting do you need to do before it becomes transformative? It's really difficult. That's a blurry line. Yeah, in a post-Sargona Kila world. I think. Can we have something to say every 30 seconds, and even if it's something small, that would be great. If you need to watch a decent roll, I guess. But if I see someone do two minutes, and then two minutes, like two minutes video, two minutes talking, two minutes video, two minutes, I think I'd be okay with that. It's like pornography. We know it when we see it. Okay. It's difficult to pull. However, you can tell when something, I think Jay even says this in the video, that you can tell pretty definitively when something has been transformed or when something hasn't. The line in the middle is a little bit blurry, but don't take the piss. That's what Jay says. Right. Yeah, right. Pretty much. Now, if you have pride in your work anyway, then we shouldn't have to beg you to transform something. Nobody has ever said about EFAP that we don't transform the stuff we watch. That's never been a criticism from anybody. That doesn't tend to be a patient criticism that we get. No. I'd be surprised if there's literally a single person on the planet who had said it at any point. If anything, we're told that we interrupt too much, that we close too much. Yeah, we get that a lot. But I don't care. It's fine. Yeah, I don't care either. Yeah. Go away. Just fucking jerk yourself off right now. Yes. I don't know what it is. I can't. I'm too busy blowing myself. You need a blow job, dude. You can do it yourself. Why? Trust me, dude. I promise you do some yoga and some stretching or something, dude. You need to let... You need some release, okay? You need some fucking release. A little bit of a... You need some release, but I'm correct about how this all works. You're just so right. I kind of have to do it. Pre yourself. Yes. Ignorance is bliss, as they say. That's someone just said. Projection? Yeah, a little bit. A little bit. Our elephant needs a release of some kind. He's tensed up. Hassan to court for copyright infringement. Do you think he could win? Based on what we've... No. Just no. Why, sorry. Who would they say? They said if Hassan and Jay went to court over this as a copyright thing, would Hassan win? It's like no. No. Hassan would not win. Absolutely not. In no world would he win. Hassan literally leaves. Hassan is afraid of that happening. Oh, maybe he's too dumb to be afraid. Oh, also, there was a donation coming in that was read by the bot and it said, you mad bro. You do seem a bit upset. Just a bit. A scene, which is only half of the video. I mean, I can't responsibly make a hard claim, but based on what we've seen, yeah, probably. You can't responsibly open your mouth. I actually don't want to shit it, but I'm going to use it as a springboard here. How do pictures work? How do pictures work? He's about to explain himself. I just love that. I know. Yeah. What are birds? How do pictures? When it comes to this, right? Idea, like unironically, though. Do I have to source? The every sometimes. Yeah, sometimes you do. This is how unaware like Twitch streamers and reactors are of just how everything works. Yes, if you take a piece of artwork from someone, you should source it. Yeah. I mean, you could make the argument that a lot of including myself, a lot of times when we would use pictures and videos, I'm not going to source every single. Well, so it's going to be case by case, depending on what the use is, right? Because there's a lot of ways you can use them to transform them. It's sure. Well, it's something to, because for instance, I needed a, I needed a certain picture for my end game video. And then I realized it's like, oh, this is free domain. This is our public domain, because this is a painting that was made like over 100 years ago. Alternatively, there's like all of the royalty free. Yes, that's a free clip where you can. Well, alternatively, if you transform it, like it's kind of like memes are an interesting one, because it's this sort of like weird new world that we've entered into with memes that it feels like. But I feel like memes have got to be something that we could say like transformative. If you completely change the context of the original work for additions. Fortunately, I remember this because I decided to look it up. Copyright.gov, which is an American website. They got a real helpful list that just explains what fair use is. And they give you so many examples of the ways in which fair use exists and how it works. It's one page. It's available to you. Please read it. But that sounds like a lot of work. However, I was going to say, so is there like a little clause or anything that says, if you can't be asked, it doesn't matter. No, it's yes. It's no often that there are like laws where it's like, but if you don't want to follow it, you know, whatever, like that's really, it's not a law so much as a loose guideline. But I guess for the reference of the chat, according to copyright.gov, the U.S. Copyright Office, here are four factors that are used to evaluate fair use. The purpose of the and character of the use, including whether it's the uses of a commercial nature or if it is for nonprofit educational purposes. Number two, the nature of the copyrighted work. And they give an example. Using a more creative or imaginative work, such as a novel, movie or song, is less likely to support a claim of fair use than using a factual work, such as a technical article or news item. Number three, amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyright work as a whole. Yeah. I can tell these are very broad and up for it and a lot of interpreters. Well, so that's the thing is, you fight over these things, right? You make your case. You present your arguments because they provide examples like, for instance, if the use includes a large proportion of the copyrighted work, it's less likely to be found, but less likely, not necessarily impossible. The always varies. Number four is the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work. So the idea would be if the use of it harms the future commercial prospects of the original work. These are all factors, but doesn't it all line up with what we're talking about in terms of principle in general, transform the work? That's it. Or ask for permission if you don't want to transform it. And remember, Hassan's already done this with the whole artwork that a fan made that he bought from someone else. And they were like, whoa, that was mine. He was like, pay to the exposure. What, pay to the exposure? No, he just like retweets. And then he stopped. He stopped himself and he realized how bad that was. Drew, he did stop himself because optics, man. Okay, optic. That I might use on my stream? Like, you know what I'm saying? No. You absolutely do. What about my desktop background? Let's say I have a cycle. I mean, if you're literally using someone's artwork, that's licensed. Yeah. Then yeah, you probably should. What the fuck are you talking about? Why would... Yes. Like, he was like shocked. Like, he's just learning this. Like, you can't... Okay. You can't just take shit that doesn't... Yours. That doesn't... What else do you say to these people? I don't know how I saw it. Like, what world have you been living in? They're so used to stealing shit, man. They're just so used to it. I guess they are. They sound like such a capitalist, Rex. God. Like, capitalist pay for the stuff. Where they just take shit. And that's just their life. I'm just gonna take shit. And it's a shocking revelation when someone says, yeah, actually you can't just take shit. And there's people in his chat right now who are like, yeah, you source it. Why wouldn't you? And he's just like... What? What? You mean I just can't be... The people, the things that people make aren't just mine? Cool of desktop backgrounds. On my stream. Do I have to source all of those? The desktop background. Yes. The desktop background. Fuck that. I'm sorry. Fuck you. Fuck that. Fuck that. That's the law, my dude. You just said fuck you. Fuck that. That's his argument. All right then. People aren't making money off their desktop backgrounds. What the fuck is he talking about? There's so many variables to talk about. But if you just have the background there because it looks really awesome and it's someone's fucking artwork that you just took from a site, however you found it, and then you don't even source them or anything, like their signature isn't even on it. It's just like, why have you been a dick? You know, but like, I can print a picture out and put it on my wall. I don't have to source it because it's my wall. Like, does it matter? I'm not making money off of its existence. Like, Hasan is making money through his string. That's the issue. I suppose the issue here for me is just that it's considered like way too much effort and alien to him to do something that oftentimes is kind of cool. You're just like, yeah, man, this artist is called Blah Blah Blah. They do this, that. The other is really awesome. Go check the work out. Right, nice thing to do. Like, of course I'm going to put the description in the description, the person who did the intro music to my videos. Like, duh, of course I'm doing it. There's not even a... It's just not even a thing that I have to think about. It's just the default thing that you do because it's the right thing to do. Oh, there's... I guess we've entered a... That's, yeah, there's... Answer my own question there. I wonder if he would relate... How would he relate this argument to music that he's trying to make? Can't I just play someone else's music on my stream? Without permission or anything. What do you mean? I'm sure he's upset by that if they get clipped for copyright on that too. He's probably like, that should be mine. It's... This person is so naive and sheltered on Twitch. The YouTuber life? Like, man, they don't have a fucking clue. No, they don't. They're not having fucking clue. They have no fucking clue, you're right. Years, years, having to come to groups with all of these systems. Yeah, so I have one of my artists. He is a reasonably professional. Our artist. Comrade. Oh, okay. He's reasonably professional and he actually told me, like, listen, if you want to use a font you have to, like, buy a license. And I'm like, really? Yeah. Font? Yeah. No, they're serious with that stuff. They're serious with that stuff. The guys who make fonts, they put a lot of work into them. They're serious with that stuff. Absolutely. Yeah. I think that because... I'm going to try to word this properly. Uh-oh. Because the physicality of this job, of doing streams and making videos and whatever, it's all just kind of happening in your house unless you're like a saragon and you have an office or something. But it's still like, you're not, like, actually going out to a stage and seeing thousands of people. It's really easy to feel like you're kind of isolated and you're more private than you actually are. There's no way someone's going to notice that you stole all of this stuff and you put it in your stream because you're just hanging out at your house, man. Like, you're kind of lulled into a false sense of security by the nature of the job, I think. No, I think that's very true. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I think so. Especially if it's never been an issue for you before. You don't even, you might not even think to do it. Now, of course, this is the kind of thing that a YouTuber learns very, very, very quickly. And they're in the infancy of their career. They learn about this sort of thing. The idea that you go years or months without knowing this sort of thing is, it's tough to do. YouTube will definitely let you know, airing in their own favor that you have done a naughty. Just a, I've seen a few people asking about the fonts. Yeah, the way that it works is like fonts themselves are also like copyrighted works that someone's created. And so like fonts can be, some fonts are free for commercial use. Some fonts are just bundled in with like, like if you have Adobe, I believe all of the fonts that are provided to you on Adobe, or ones that you can use because of the license you pay for. But yeah, I mean, even fonts, it's like, it's all, these are all creative expressions of some kind. Someone made it, you know? Like someone created that typeface. The reason that we have the font situation is because back in the day, when it was the printing press, people would basically sell bundles of letters that would fit in the printing press. And so every artist would have their own way of like drawing an A and then making that into like a stamp, you know? And so you could buy certain types of letters and end up being the case that these people, they ended up, they considered the letters themselves but obviously not what was written with them to be its own form of property. Yeah, it makes sense. So we had font law basically. Yeah. Well, the fonts eventually become public domain, I believe with time in the same way they're all copyrighted stuff, because it depends on which country or in some countries it's 50 years after someone's death, 70 years, depending on whether they have a pseudonym or it's under their real name, it varies as well. It varies, depending on who created it and where and when they passed away. Well, how's now I fucking right now if you're interested in purchasing it and it's all right. So this by the way, I think I forgot to put context in here. So he's decided because he doesn't trust Jay to watch Hasan react to Jay's video to see if Jay was fair. Because of course, Jay at this point is a very untrustworthy narrator from the video as you guys would have felt as well when watching Jay's video. As it has been very firmly established. Oh, yes. You know, they say you don't really know someone until you fare. Hell hands, well, taking it down. This is one of those things where the longer you stare at the image, the more bizarre things you notice. So today I'm going to take you on a sightseeing tour of the oddities. This is literally state HQ. Hold on, I'm going to be back in one second. Of 8,800, Blue Lake Road. If we start at the entrance, you're greeted by a minions brand on it that really no home is complete without. It gets the main living area. You want to go upstairs, you want to take something that's right in front of the room, take it in there. Oh, man. So, can you guys spot the problem? Fucking doorknob. You do the exact problem. It's passing again. It's not going to be long. Our element is silently watching Hassan silently watching Jay. I can't believe that he does this. It's un-fucking-believable. You commit the exact same snid. One of these things is not like the other. It's Jay who did some work. Yeah, it's just unbelievable. If I would Jay watch this, I'd be like, you can't. This is a joke. You can't be fucking serious right now. For the exception. What will you learn? When will you learn? Why am I wasting my life doing work and creating things? Fuck this bracket. Wow. It's incredible. Our relevant, if you just want to check, he could like scrub through the video. You can skip the parts where he's not there. You know he doesn't have commentary when he's not there. God forbid provides some of your own. Wait, what? I don't know. Maybe they got family out here. There's three trash cans in here. That is pretty weird. Geez. Hey, YouTube. This is the hell version of eFap, okay? This is what you would get. Yeah. This is the mega-verse version of eFap. When the multiverse opens and the reverse eFap comes through the portal, this is what it is. And we all funny is, I sped this up enough in the edit so that it's not Jay's content anymore because it's just garbage. It's garbled nonsense and loads of images flying by. So we can't be a big, like we can't do what he committed. I won't have a song committed because I took care to make sure. But oh well, have we're pausing more? Now, on a side note, for those of you who are watching this, who maybe think, I'd like to stream, but I don't know if I could do it. I don't know if I have what it takes. Oh, do not you worry. No. You have what it takes. I promise you. You can do it. You can do it. Go for it. Shoot for the moon. I believe in you. I believe in you. I am here for investigative purposes. Okay. I'm adjourned. So his chat caught up with the fuckery at his excuses. Well, I'm here to investigate. I know. The greatest shit, man. Okay. This is just like the, oh, it's unbalanced and just don't use it. You can still account for how much Hassan commentates while commentating. So no excuse. Sorry. Journalist. I'm a political journalist. All right. I'm here for investigative purposes. All right. I need to make sure that. No, you're a lazy twat. Just be honest. You are. You are a lazy fucking asshole. Is what you are. You are stealing other people's shit. You could have sped it up. Watched it like two times, Peter, something. I think he did have done something else. He's sped it up to something. That's a third option. Never mind. But it doesn't matter because it's a 14 minute video and he's enjoying the video if you watch it. All right. He's even commenting on it with Jay. Like it's, it's. Well, the one or two times. He actually, it's so frustrating that stays untainted. So don't tell me to rack harder. You fucking. No, they're calling you out. Oh, look, you're making a joke of it. But they're calling you out and they're justified in doing so. If you know, dude, what was our relevance? One comment that we saw just now, it was, there are three trash cans. I think that's what he said, right? Yes, you might categorize that as him highlighting that there is many of a thing, right? So listen to this criticism where this Jay person really has a problem with saying the same thing over and over again, because as I've been listening to them, they've made the same stuff comment probably like 30 times this video. They got a lot of stuff. That's a lot of things. There's a lot of boxes, a lot of things. So to explain the nature of this house, it is very large. This architecture is a little bit strange, but not like an impossible one. The main feature of it is it has many amounts of many strange items. That is the main appeal to this place. Everyone notes it has absurd numbers of things that you don't typically see in that number. His complaint is Jay is pointing that out too much. Yeah, it's kind of like the joke. That is the joke that is saying again and again. The whole appeal of this house is you find the oddities within. Oh, rip. But of course, it's not like he does that, so it's fine. There's, I don't know. It's just they seem to really like these objects. It's like, yeah, bro, like 10 is enough, but like, come on, man. Wait, why can we talk about the three boxes of Rice Krispies as well? Oh man. Oh my goodness. Kind of weird. Is he being sarcastic? I mean, at least he's playing something. This is for real. He's shocked by the amount of Rice Krispies boxes. He is shocked by the amount of things. But that's the most normal. Having multiple boxes of food items is the most normal part. I would actually agree with you. I feel like that is the most normal thing in this house a lot. But side by side, he just said Jay talks about it too much. That's all he's talked about is that because that's the thing to talk about in this house. Do you ever get a sense that maybe he's biased against Jay? It's a little bit, you know, I'm getting that vibe. Oh no, it's two. The two boxes of Rice Krispies ready to go on the countertop. My boy knows how to party. Definitely the second half is more charitable to Son than the first half. So I think there is a little bit of motivated cringiness going on when it came from the dude. No idea what it even means. Looking through the screen. Do you think that it's cringe to criticize Son? You need to just reevaluate your existence. Because the second half he did offer a little bit more. But I'll grant you it was not enough for me to say like this was responsibly done. I'm glad you got that. Wow, holy fuck. He went on this whole fucking rant against Jay before he knew any of the story looked at any of the source material. Now that he did, he's like, well, I agree. Jay's right. Yeah, it doesn't sound like a very responsible journalist. No. Put it past fair use. I don't know. I ain't no fucking. No. Yeah, I. Is it raining? I don't know. I'm not a meteorologist. I don't know what is rain. I don't know. Waterologist. But I think that like this spirit of the law says like no shot homie. I feel like that's a no shot. Honestly. I don't know what that means. That's a no shot. He got there. All right. He eventually got there. Clap everyone. I pretty much had already seen most of that fucking video through different angles from this dude anyway. So, yeah, I was just wanting to see. I was pretty much. That doesn't mean you get to steal it. It was pretty much just the content. I was watching Hassan the whole time. What about the section where Hassan wasn't even on screen? You idiot. Watching his chair. Oh, yes. Well, he was watching his chair the whole time except for some of it. He was blocking the chair by sitting in it. Is there a source for this? Like what is this? The source says I made it the fuck up. So this is a stock image. Well, I think it's stock video actually. Jay uses stock videos from a site. Jay has already made this clear in different videos that they are. They are copyright free stock videos that any YouTuber can use. You buy them. A lot of YouTubers use it. You can buy them. That's why they. You can get free ones as well. Yeah, absolutely. That's why they stand out a lot in videos because they're very professionally shot and very clear and a variety of locations and people. So when you see it, you're like, oh, you just bought this or you downloaded it. You didn't actually make this. This doesn't fit with anything that you've actually done. You're saying that Jay didn't hire some random woman to sit in a golden bathtub at a hotel room with a candelabra and give her a classical one. Candelabra of differing links. They don't like them all at once. Clearly, they know this is the one I normally like. That's why it's just a little nub. Right. And I leave it on the floor. It's interesting you bring up that because he's asking Chat, like, what is the nature of this, this and how it relates to copyright. So let's listen to what Chat say first. That we're climbing. Oh, just before I move on. This is the Wish Upon Bath tub. You got to be very careful in these. Oh, good. Be very, very careful. Yeah. Wait, what do you mean? Dude, when it comes to sourcing or shit, shouldn't we have to source this? Flat out incorrect. But again, we've already covered it. He also makes the free clout argument. It's his wife and. So, yes, that's Jay's wife. So the assumption from Chat there. Jay's doing good. Yeah. But there's something funnier happening. Chat has highlighted there that it's likely not something you need to source because Jay would have done it himself with his girlfriend. And our relevance response to that is so. It's like, well, they wouldn't be as, Jay is the source at that point. What do you mean? If that were true. It's not true. But if it were. So why is he taking an issue with the idea that this is Jay's own clip? He's like, so where's the source? Yeah, it's not like it's an English paper where you have to write, you have to sign your name on and then write down every single citation. No, you just have to cite people that you had to pay for it or have to. It's not the same kind of thing, you know. And yeah, there are. It's a very high school view of how citations should work. A lot of video essayists even promote like a site that's just filled with stock clips and you use the search bar once you've like bought a package, you know. But then there are some as Jay, I believe uses is a is a free source one that's just like use it, use our service. I'm not sure if they require credit even. Our relevance is unaware of these things. He adds something to it that we've not seen before. Most YouTubers don't mind that. It's probably a stock clip he bought. Do people buy stock clips? Yes, they do. Yes. How does he not know this? Because he has no fucking clue what he's talking about. You know what he's doing? There's a much higher business of making stock clips. Because he never pictures and audio. Never looked for a picture in his life for a video and it's like stock web site. Have you ever heard of the Tim Shutter stock? I feel like all of us. Yes. How old is he? Is he like 12? I'm letting you know a lot of streamers do this. A lot of streamers, it's called farming the clip channels. Do you know how many YouTube channels are made up of clips or fucking vods that are ripped from people? It happens a- Okay. I think three different channels right now on YouTube that are just uploading my fucking segments. I don't give a fuck. Nobody asked if you give a fuck. Right. I don't give a fuck if you give a fuck. You could if you wanted to. Yeah. By YouTube's terms of service, that's actually- You're not allowed to do that. You're not allowed to upload other people's clips even with their permission. It's amazing that he's like, yeah, but I don't care. Like, oh. Yeah, cool. That's just not how it works. You don't care. Awesome. Great. With no comment- Raw. Raw shit. I don't care. Okay. I don't give a fuck. I'm not saying that everybody needs to give a fuck, but the idea that it is like nobody gives a fuck, streamers are just built different. No. Oh god. Okay. You know, streamers actually are just built different in that a lot of them- This isn't a live stream, is it? It feels like they have- Not you guys, obviously. It feels like they haven't left high school and a lot of the way that they do things, a lot of the way that they think, the way they deal with citations, the way they deal with drama between other creators, the way the constant backstabbing drama, like the destiny stuff, recently, is the biggest example of what I'm talking about here. Like, it's people who have never mentally left high school. Why would they need to? If someone has never had a normal job and they just go from high school or college to streaming, then I mean, it makes complete sense that they have that same attitude. I guess the thing is that was like, where is the- Why is there no drive to transform content and to make it something your own or to just create totally original stuff? Because that's hard. Why is there no- I know it's hard, but I don't know. You know what I mean? I guess I just don't- Nuggets and watch other people with better content. I guess that's what I mean though, is it really that great for enough people for there to be a whole ecosystem to just like do nothing, except for just sit around and watch people stuff and say true occasionally while like, ah, I don't know. Is it like some weird parasocial friend group replacement thing? Oh, there's definitely that in there. That's in there. Yeah, like I want to watch this videos, but I'd rather have like some streamer watch it silently and then go, like every five seconds or something. I feel like if I did that, I would forget the streamer's there and I'm going, who the fuck is that? And I'd take off my headset and I'd just like look around. Hello? Some people have mentioned though, isn't it, that you can just watch, you can like watch Hassan and it's just your one stop shop for tons of what is socially relevant content. That's what it ends up and then they justify that. They're like, well, that's good. That's why I'm here. It's like, that's the problem, my dude. That's why you're here and not watching those people's videos, the people who made the work. That's the problem. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. An argument does get made later. Oh, it doesn't. I don't think it's made by irrelevant. It's made by person number two. It's like when you see the people who do like the compilations of other people's vines or TikToks or whatever. And I do feel bad because I'm like, you see the compilation will have like two million views and then each individual video has like nothing on it. Well, it's one of the things that gets complained about a lot in art circles where like someone's art would just be promoted. Someone will, they'll make the piece. They'll get like, you know, 1000 likes or something. And then it will just get tweeted out by some other person and then get like 50,000 likes because of how they're algorithmed. Some people just get it. They don't retweet it. They just take the picture. Yeah. And so then that artist is just they did all the work and received very little of the capital, the social capital or it's just even like any payment or rich. Yeah, they're just not reimbursed. It's lost. And it's like, it feels, it feels so weird because in like art circles, that is just agreed to be something you're not supposed to do. It seems like in art circles, there is very much more of a recognition of this is wrong, mainly because I think it's like there is an understanding. It's like we're all working hard in these circles to try and make good stuff. Yeah, like we don't, yeah, don't undermine it for the rest of us. Yeah, yeah, we're all trying to make it work and hard. Yeah. And it's really we are in that umbrella. And it's like you and I are not the same, dude. No, no, no, it is this weird thing. It's like, yes, this is what it means to be a streamer. No, this is what it means to be a streamer in your weird world. He wishes to have our power level with streamers and YouTubers all the same time. That's apparently impossible, though. You can't and hey, I make videos on YouTube and I stream on switch and YouTube. What is going on? How do you do it? I don't understand. I'm not. How do I know? I don't know. Someone said, be careful with the line of logic. By that metric, Tim Pool waffling about himself for three fourths of his videos is something that improves his content. The difference is that is his content. It's not about whether or not it's good or bad. Whether or not it's good or bad is an entirely different conversation. At least it is, though. This is the thing. If there's some talk throughout his whole stream, do you think I'm going to call it good? It's like it's probably not. But it's his content. So I mentioned before the high school thing, I mentioned before the false sense of privacy thing when it comes to doing streaming as a job. I think those two concepts kind of tied together in some way. So you know how you got Game Grumps or other Let's Play channels and then you have fans of those channels that'll go around and make best of moments. Now, the Game Grumps or whoever, they're not making any money off those best of clips, but they also understand that if they start cracking down on their own fans, making fan compilations, that's a fast track to losing fans. So they kind of just accept the fact that they're going to lose a little bit of revenue from their videos in exchange for goodwill with their audience. So that's a pretty good trade, I think. There are definitely, we don't, there's a lot of people uploading or re-uploading clips and stuff from EFAP, but we decided really early on that we were just going to leave it be, just let it be. I think Red Letter Media, take down or re-monetize like anybody re-uploads their stuff, which it's a choice you can make, you know? Again, that's all built into Jay's video. It's completely up to the person, but you shouldn't just be doing it and just hoping that you get to get away with it. It's so weird. Right, but what I'm noticing is that, so the main reason that you let someone who's a lot smaller than you, who isn't a content creator, who's just a fan making a compilation do it, is because on some level they're small, they idolize you, they're the fan, and you're the creator. However, I think because of that high school mentality and because of the isolation that comes with doing this job, people, when they're big, they sometimes believe that they're a lot smaller than they actually are, if that makes sense. Yeah, no, definitely. Yeah, if a person gets 5,000 views on a video, oh, that's nothing. But think about 5,000 people in an auditorium listening to you speak. Right, and so relative too, right? Like, I'm pretty sure all of us can remember back when we started. Holy shit, 1,000 views, holy moly. Absolutely, I have screenshots of me when I hit the 100 subscriber mark, because I was excited. I was like, wow, 100 subs, holy shit. I have to disappoint you, because my first video, my very first video went viral, and I got 250,000 right out of the fray. Oh, fuck you, then. Oh, look at me, privileged dev. I've been doing this for years, and I've never had this viral video yet. Typical cis white male privilege. Oh yeah, absolutely. But I think the idea is, though, is I have 125,000 subs, I think, or 120 something like that. And that's the reason why. It's not huge, but it's not small. But I often feel like, oh yeah, I'm a small YouTuber, right? I'm tiny. No one really watches me, or knows. That's not small. I know, but here's the thing. In my head, I think I'm pretty small. And then the second level of computation in my head is like, oh, wait a minute, it's actually not that small anymore, is it? I have to remind myself. Even though I'm still the same person that I was five or 10 years ago, obviously, you grow, but you know what I mean? There's a continuity with your consciousness. It's a little different, though, because if you're uploading edited content, unless you're going through the comments, you're just seeing a number. You're not really getting a sense of people watching it. But if you're a streamer like Hasan, and you see 10,000 people watching you live, and they're all fucking typing the chat, like you have a much stronger sense of all the people watching it. Right, yes. I guess the point that I'm making is it's very easy to lull yourself into a headspace where you're not the size or the popularity or the amount of clout that you actually are. You lose perspective. Hey, I can just watch these clips, because who am I? Well, it turns out you're Hasan, right? I think that kind of effect has happened here to some degree. You, shockingly, have a massive amount of clout or whatever that you see now. Somehow, we failed as a society where that's possible, but here we are. So, I mean, yes, we got to live with it. I don't know what it is. Streamers just don't care, just because you- So I care. I'm a streamer. Rip. I care, and I'm a streamer. I care. I don't care. It doesn't make it intellectually consistent and right, though. Wait, here we go. Here's some of the chat said what I'm trying to say in one sentence. What Dev is failing to say is everyone is the underdog in their own life. Yes. And that might lead you to believe that, hey, maybe I can just, as just another person, watch a video and not source it. And it's like, no, you're actually the biggest streamer. Like, you can't do this anymore. Yeah, you have to understand. You cannot lose your sense of perspective when you're doing your job. You need to understand the platform that some- Man, the irony considering how many of these guys talk about responsible platforming and policing your own audience. Like, you have a big platform that gives you a certain level of responsibility to conduct yourself well. In this case, actually trying to credit people, or, you know, to transform their work, or, you know, make sure, yeah. Man, I don't know. Well, and I was just gonna say, like, that clip right there was fucking great. You hit reset, right? Just because you don't care doesn't make it intellectually consistent and right, though. He seemed lost for a second there, like, way up there. You really can, in his little brain, you could see the train of thought boarding at the station. Just trying to not, you don't know what's happening. Everything is stalled. What is this thought? Intellectually consistent and right, though. Wait, then why would you do this segment at all? Right, so. No, you're talking about you. So this, well, so this segment, and again, I didn't put context before, probably should have. This is the section where Jay asked a bunch of YouTubers whether or not they would be okay with what Hassan has done. And for any of you who've seen the video, you'll know that I think Jay got, like, seven nos and four yeses with caveats, I believe. So our relevant is like, if it ain't about whether or not individuals care, then why put this section in? Which to an extent, he'd have a point if only he remembered why Jay did this, which I'm going to include in this video. Why would you even get anybody's opinion at all? Most YouTubers don't mind that, actually love that shit when Twitch streamers react to their videos because they get a fucking fat bum. We still have the free clout argument, but now it's also packaged with the idea that most YouTubers support and like this kind of thing happening. Most other content creators on YouTube and all around don't give a shit if you watch their videos or they like it. So a claim's been made. The source is I made it the fuck up. The claim has been made more than 50% of YouTubers are. Indifference or happy with it. I think if you would say, Jay, do you think the average creator would be okay or not okay with what Hassan has done? I imagine Jay would have said, don't know. It's kind of hard to say. I suppose a lot of them would be and a lot of them wouldn't be. That's not the case. We've got Hassan here saying most creators would be absolutely fine with it and don't care. That prompts you to say, okay, I'm just going to do a little questionnaire answer sequence with my sphere of influence. Yeah. Hassan is making a very confidently stated positive claim. And of course, as someone's pointed out, fat bump equal 200 views. From the biggest streamer is so. Exactly. One of the biggest streamers on the- That's a fat bump. Yeah. Um, so anyway, the point here being our relevance already responding to Jay as though Jay pulled this out of nowhere. Jay's doing it in response to a claim that most people don't care. They literally like, they want you to watch their videos. Please record your answer and send it to me. Would you be okay with it if a streamer played one of your videos in full on their stream without saying much or really adding anything? No. Fuck no. No, I would not. Yes. No. Well, I mean, I could kind of do with a, are they, are they willing to pay? No, I don't think I would be okay with the streamer playing one of my videos in its entirety without even really adding to it. If they give me a shout out and try to send people- That guy sounds like Jay with a cold. Yeah, he was weird. I thought I was Jay after all. Well, my way then, sure. But otherwise, no. No, no, no. These, she was- If no matter what they say, your mind is made up. That sounds so stupid to me. So Jay's position is one that's principled. However, to counter the assertion made by Hassan, we have a selection of YouTubers giving their perspective. Right. So it's, he's misunderstood this and now treats it as though this is irrelevant because Jay's argument is principled, not based on anecdote. That's not what this section was. I think him and Person 2 make this mistake somehow. I just don't- They complained the video meanders too long, it's repetitive, but they just don't listen to it. So what the hell is the solution? What if everybody said that they were okay with somebody doing this? And you went, well, I mean, it's morally wrong anyway. No, what Jay would have said is, wow, Hassan was right. Simple. Let me see if- Yeah, yeah. The fuck? If they would be okay with it. And most of them said no. I chose these YouTubers literally at random from people I already had DMs with. Oh, that's fine. I've got a good selection of different styles. I am very sure that there is no bias in that at all. That doesn't actually make sense that there's a bias in knowing Jay that you would say, I don't want people to use my content on streams. That doesn't really line up. Yeah, you'd have to say that there is a correlation between people who have DMs with Jay and people who would not want their content. And if Jay was super nefarious, why wouldn't he just cut out the ones that said yes? He said five of them said yes. So this bias isn't working out very well, huh? I assume he means- He just included those to make it seem closer than it really was. That's how nefarious he is. That's the kind of 40 chess that Jay does. He's clever like that. You got to watch out for him. I assume his argument is that because they would know the Jay Hasan drama, so just by asking the question, they would be prompted to answer it specifically in that way. I mean, I guess it depends on how honestly things people would be with- I mean, maybe that's just indicative of the question itself. I feel like the question was fair. I don't think it was leading. Oh, no, it's an entirely fair question. Yeah, can I kick you in the balls, yes or no? Most people would probably say no, but it's because the question itself is a pretty negative thing. But he's actually impugning not Jay only, but he's impugning everyone who responds- All of us! Yeah, I agree with him. I just mind not Jay's back. Well, if you've noticed, there's no arguments from our relevant. They're all crap. There's a lot of assumption of bad faith, though. Just keep plugging in that it's bad faith. It's very bad. It's just really funny, isn't it? It's just given what we've seen here. And the thing is that there is an argument to be made, right? Like, if someone said, okay, Molly, you seem to have said no. In my clip, I think I say no except very specific circumstances. And so if the circumstance were like a 200,000 live viewer stream, and they were going to play my whole TFA series all in a row, but they don't credit me, I'd be like, that's really fucking strange. But I wonder what the results of something like that would be, because would they not seek me out at that point? It is a form of promotion just by sheer volume and length, as opposed to watching a 10 minute video and then being like, next video, next video, next video, and chat, don't even get a chance to think about it. This is some stuff to think about in the worst extremes of it all. It's actually, this reminds me of something. So I can't find it, but I was looking for a couple of minutes now. There's a video and it is a guy doing an experiment by getting himself to 100,000 subs in one day. And here's how he did it. He made a video just analyzing some Twitch statistics and he talked a little bit about Miskiff's stream and then he paid somebody to make the video, somebody to write it, no, he wrote it, somebody to edit it, somebody to do the voiceover and he takes this video, uploads it to a dead channel, and then he pays Miskiff $50 on his stream. It's like, well, check out this new video, dude. It's all about you. And the guy watches it and then this guy's channel blows up to 100,000 subs in one day. And it's like, well, that's how fast you can theoretically get a channel to 100,000 subs if you really want to pay enough money to have this video edited and then just snipe a streamer's audience, you can do that. I was like, well, okay, that's interesting. So now you mentioned earlier that Hassan, the people that he, when he steals these videos from, they got like a 200 viewer bump. Well, that's what Jay got. That was what Jay got. Right. I wonder if it's also has to do with the types of communities that these streamers foster, because for Miskiff, it was 100,000 subs. Well, also, I mean, Hassan didn't credit Jay. Right. I didn't even know how that was going to be edited. I was going to say, it sounds like Miskiff may have shown the actual channel name and said, this is a channel that's not cringe. I don't know. Yeah, yeah. Well, actually, Miskiff looked at it and then he said, listen, I know what you're doing, $50 Donator. This is clearly your channel. You're pretending like it's not, which it was. But he didn't reveal himself as who he was until after the experiment was over. How long can I get? How long, how long until one video gets me 200,000 subs? And it took him a day. So it was an experiment. It was another larger YouTuber that I can't remember the name of when he was just using this as a sock puppet. But basically, maybe it's also the kind of community that you foster as well. Also, and this is the thing. There's so many different things to consider. I think it's just an interesting little selection that Jay grabbed a bunch of people. I didn't know what their answers were going to be when I was listening. I was just like, could be yes, could be no, could be caveats and stuff. It's that our Elvis just like, biased. All right. That's the chat says that Miskiff did link the video and Miskiff has an obsession with making people. Okay, it was Ludwig apparently. All right. To be fair, you know, Destiny is the same thing. Destiny, he said outright that lots of people have created communities based on debating him a few times. So I think there are people. He's created a lot of careers. And now he's regretting. And now we're now all of those people. He made Demon Mama. Oh God. But like, I think the idea is like, there's just, there's some people who like to make others. And you know, whether it be because it's like an ego thing for them or they generally want to help other people out. And there's some people who just don't. And Hassan's probably in the don't category. Oh, absolutely. Dude, it's evident when Jay starts promoting himself and Hassan's like, you'll do that. And just like so. He interrupts his own, yeah, in the middle of eating something, both of his hands busy, his mouth full of food. He quickly, like I said, it would be so easy for us. It really does look like he is going out of his way to make sure that this person does not get credit. We play people's ads. We do. We play people's ads and that is content for us because we make fun of it or we comment on it or we compliment it or whatever happens. Every ad, I love to watch ads on EFAP because they're all so different in the way that YouTubers approach this kind of content is so varied that there's almost always something to discuss about it. Hey, Chet, do you want to, do you want us to skip the ads? Well, just go over and buy Surfshark VPN slash, slash EFAP. Would you be okay with somebody restreaming you with more viewers and making more money than you? Yeah, hell yeah. Yes, it's happened before. So it's funny because it's like the thing about the consequence versus the action and we just switch between them every once in a while. But if RL, RL is probably gonna, I know you will, he'll argue that he'll eventually benefit from that in some big way. So the question needs to be malformed back into what if you didn't, what if you never did? Is it okay if a streamer only ever restreamed your stuff to entertain their audience and you never benefited from it? I wonder if you'd agree with that. Because he's gonna argue that, yeah, that's how you get successful. Yes, absolutely. Yeah, in fact, I want you to make, if somebody, if a big streamer is saying for, is like thinking about restreaming somebody, suggest me. Yes, I want them to do that. Why not? Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, if the question was indeed rephrased, what if people restreamed your stuff and you never got any growth from it? Ever. Okay. Would that, would that be okay? In fact, there was negative growth because people were like, you know what? I don't need to even be subscribed to R relevant. I get R relevant on this other stream. We are right now actually granting this guy's wish. We're restreaming him, right? Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm sure you'll get a fat bump from this stream. It's gonna get a fat bump. Yeah, you just named how a lot of streamers become big. You also named how a lot of streamers are taken advantage of, but okay. Yeah, because you're not going to remember all of the streamers that you don't remember. Exactly. All the streamers who never amounted to anything that never got the bump, that never got the anything. Let's think, if Jay never complained about it, you wouldn't know who the fuck Jay was. It's not a good example of somebody that is like going to be somebody that is okay or referring to this. There are plenty of people that do this shit where they let people upload four-hour rips of their stream. Four-hour fucking rips of their stream. Okay. And that is a business gamble is what that is. That is that. Dev, and I think Sitch, we're talking about, like there are benefits to doing that. If you allow everybody to re-upload all your stuff all over YouTube and everyone's sharing it, instead of you DMCA-ing all of them, or trying to monetize them all into them thinking, I guess I'm not going to spend my time on this because I can't even get a couple pennies out of it, or whatever. You could get business benefits in the long-term of spreading yourself around. It's not like you say this like it's selfless or something. However. There could be motivations and- There are essential instruments. Exactly. This is a choice people can make. Like the time when it's going to be a brand. Yeah. It is your choice because your streams, your creations, they're yours to do with as you please. Is Hassan Abi Vod's backup? Are they providing like extra content here by uploading this four-hour- So for some reason he thinks Jay hasn't addressed this? Jay has? Uh-huh. Rip? And we can look this up for other even incredibly large streamers doing this. But there are some that have cracked down pretty hard. Don't get me wrong. It is definitely a mixed batch. Which means we can just steal from everybody, right? Because, fuck it. Until they say otherwise. Yeah. 100% mixed bag. And I see like the cash register. I assume you only have to pay if you want to, if they ask you to pay. Yeah, you take all the stuff, pay once you walk out, and they go, hey, whoa, whoa, you got to pay. You're like, oh. Oh, okay. You know, I thought it was just on the shelf, you know, for me to take. I see you contracted your mic and said, that should leave the store without pay. So you know, if it's less than $950 in California, you can actually do that. So that is the model they're operating under. That's a good point. That's a great point. The add something and reaction. I don't understand your point here. It's simple. There are large streamers that don't give a fuck about people straight up stealing. That is non sequitur. Yes, but nothing to do with anything Jay said. So try again. The non sequiturs walk past. He's walking. He's going off doing his own thing. And you're like, you're my sequitur now. And he's like, no, I'm non. I'm non. Let go. Nobody's sequitur. No, nobody's not. I'm my own sequitur. And posting it online. There is a plenty of people that don't care at all. That's on them then. My point then is no matter the evidence that somebody provides to you when it comes to anecdote, if that's the case, you don't give a fuck about the anecdotes of people. Why the fuck are you bringing up anecdotes in the first place? What? Most YouTubers don't mind that. I actually love that shit when Twitch streamers react to their videos because they get a fucking fat bump. We still have the free clout argument, but now it's also packaged with the idea that most YouTubers- It was in the video. I don't understand why you're so lost. This is happening because Hassan made the claim. Jay's arguments are not based on anecdote. Why do you keep saying this? Because support and- I guess Jay didn't- Unpeople. Yeah? I'm gonna say, I guess Jay didn't repeat enough for the sink into our elephant. Jay was a fool to not repeat himself more. That's all I can conclude. Like this kind of thing happening. Most other- It's like saying that some people are out there on the roads just wishing, hoping that someone hits them in a car because they get the insurance money, they get the payout, they know that their car may be overvalued. The best thing that could happen to them is for them to get smacked right in a car. That does not mean you need to be going out there on the roads, running into people randomly and totalling their car and saying, Hey, some people love it when their car gets hit. Yeah, so it should be fine. Also, as some people pointed out, we're watching Jay comment on Hassan, watching Jay watching Hassan, watching XQC watching H3H3. Fucking did it! Boys! Most other content creators on YouTube and all around don't give a shit. Most of them said no. I chose these YouTubers literally at random from people I already had DMs with. We've got a good selection of different styles, different topics, different channel sizes, and yeah, a lot of no's in there. And the majority of yeses had caveats and conditions, which again, just goes to show the importance of mutual respect when doing this kind of thing. That was it. I don't understand. Wow, Jay's meant to clout, Jaycer. Our relevant was like, nah, why bring up anecdotes? It's just like Jay's just pointing out you shouldn't assume everybody's okay with it. That's all Jay said. And we shouldn't even have to tell you that. No. If he's going to be like, here's a list of my friends that do not approve of people putting up raw cuts of their content. But if I were to show you large streamers, large YouTubers or- Jay showed you people who are okay with it. Jay showed me that. Yeah. How are you missing this? You're operating under the same information that Hassan is, which is you made it the fuck up. You're guessing. You don't know. You haven't polled. It feels right though. Jay's like, these people say yes, these people say no. And then our relevance response to that is, yeah, well, these people say yes. Jay's like holding the yes people like, I know. I said that. What's happening? There's something that are cool with it. Don't really care about it. Don't really crack down on it. And then you're like, yeah, but whatever. Who really cares? Who really cares? Who really cares? The fuck are you doing in the first place? That's really disingenuous then. That shit's cringe as fuck. That's my point. If you're going to play ball, play ball. Otherwise, don't act like you're ready to swing the fucking swing on the pitch, man. Man, that's just kind of collapse right there again. Fucking analogy master right here. Oh, look, it's Jay's message where Jay says, fuck you, fuck off. Don't react. Wow. Wow. Look at that. I'm fine with react content. It just requires a substantial or significant reaction. A substantive or significant reaction and proper credit. I hope that you very vehemently go, oh man, I was totally wrong. I jumped to an insane conclusion. As it turns out, I was the unreasonable one. I am very sorry, Jay. That was my error. He already accounted for this. He said you can easily interpret that from what Jay said. Ah, okay. Even though we have the opposite, literally, like explicit text documented. Which as far as we know could just be a transcript of his script. This is a lie. This is a lie to me. How do you lie? Lies. Something he says, oh, this person doesn't want me reacting to that content. If you don't want me watching your stuff, I will gladly never watch it. I'm really sorry. I apologize. This was primarily- That's hard. That's the fucking video that he did with these. He was clearly fucking incredibly upset with the Twitter. Dude, this is so not fair to him. So our other point here. It is exceedingly fair. Hassan has said, fine, I won't watch your stuff anymore. And Jay has said, that's not a response to what I said. And our relevant said, that's you, you're being disingenuous. This is Hassan's response to your stream and your tweets. Now, unless I'm wrong, I don't remember any tweets where Jay said, fuck off, stop watching my videos. And I don't remember in the stream Jay doing anything other than satirizing and then explaining very calmly after like a half hour of satirizing him that this wasn't cool. There are ways to do it. I'm totally chill with you doing it. The funny part is Hassan didn't even see the video. I don't know why that's getting referenced. Like I said, he was surprised about what was in it in the first few minutes when he does this response that our relevance referencing. So you're simping hard right now. You're inventing shit and you're covering for Hassan in ways that Hassan himself has proven he doesn't have. So this is mega-simpery. What are you doing? Jay is right. You just got to concede. You got to do it. I believe in you. When you include the context of the video that it is under, the video in the comment section it is under, it was really inflammatory towards Hassan. No, it wasn't. Really inflammatory. It's shocking. It's shocking that you can watch that and come away with that. You'd have to, you're insane. Jay eating leather pizza is more inflammatory than when Hassan said, what the fuck is wrong with you? Of course, credit the person. You fucking idiot. Like remember he was like, well that's pretty chill. Keeping in mind subsequent developments as well. I know that this happened afterward, but still it's just funny. He's just got a very interesting view of who's the angry one. Especially when Hassan has no right to be angry because he's the one who did something wrong, not Jay. And same for our relevant at this point. He did the exact same fuck-up that Hassan did. In the stream where you, well, did you catch that part where he was, he was reviewing Hassan's video and he just did the exact same thing? Oh, I saw that. Yeah. Yeah. So he's, he's in the exact same trouble now. Exactly. Doesn't even realize. No, no. Tweet context it was really inflammatory towards Hassan, but whatever, we'll just, we'll just amend all of that if you'd like. That's fine. Not amend. You mean omit, not amend. Yeah. Apologize. I will never watch. I literally remember watching the video. I remember when the video that Hassan is referring to, that that comment is under. I remember when that video came out, there was a bunch of people that wanted me to watch it. I stopped watching it because of how cringe it was. This person was just sitting there. Dude, I had to watch your stream. I imagine that nobody should have to go. I had to, I've seen all these, these clips like twice. Can you have some pity for me? Come on. Um, as for Jay's video, it was funny. It was funny as fuck. I loved it because like. So the thing about it is as well, I was going to include Jay's stream, like a portion of it or something to prove how non-inflammatory it is at all. But the fact is Hassan didn't watch it. So there's no point. You can't say Hassan was motivated to do anything from that video because he didn't fucking watch it. And doing this and just shitting on Hassan for an hour. I personally stopped watching it. Like that takes a lot. So this was the original drama. So here we go. He's loaded up the page, right? And he scanned to halfway through the video. He just left it there. He left it because you see Hassan's got loads of tabs. That's like his stories for the day, right? And he cycles through. And he, and he click, click, click, click. And when this is a drama, he's about to scroll down. But this is a famous clip. You guys may remember this one. Uh, I mean, this is like not that relevant, to be honest. Yeah. I walk away while this video is going on because I'm fucking, uh, what do you call it? I'm cooking and I'm eating. And, uh, they didn't like my, uh, react. They were like, react harder. Hassel, Hassel, Hassel. See? Hassan understands the point Jay made as well. Obviously he's got a warped view of it, but he's not under the assumption that Jay said, stop reacting to my videos. Because Jay didn't say that. I guess they did one on Charlie too recently. You get yelled at for pausing and talking too much. They yelled at for not reacting hard enough. What are you supposed to do now? I mean, what the fuck do you mean? I'm literally going to do exactly what I've been doing, which is whatever the fuck I want to do, bitch. What are you talking about? Yeah. Good person. Yeah. Right here. Yeah. A really good guy. Remember when Jay said bare minimum? I see Bernie. I see the Bernie thing right there at the back. Remember when Bernie Sanders ran for president? Wait, did he walk away? The fuck I want to do? This is the part that I felt was important. I'll do whatever the fuck I want to do. All right. All right. It's just the important part. All right. For context, we got the claim throughout this that Hassan has seen this video. It was inflammatory. And that's why he said what he said. Dankies, dankies, dankies. So then explain to me. Wait, did he walk away? Wait, what the fuck? What? Why did they walk away? Oh. So like shockingly stupid. First of all, he hasn't seen the video. Secondly, how fucking stupid this man is? Yes. Hassan is like it's mind boggling how stupid this person is. It reminds you that these people don't see the video. Yeah. I'm good. I wonder why we didn't watch Hassan's reaction to the video. It doesn't exist. You don't even know what you're talking about. We're in which he felt as though there was inflammatory statements made towards him. I wonder why we haven't watched that. Maybe he will. As most YouTubers don't mind that. Do you really think Hassan went through this video? A video of Jay just parodying him? No. No. I mean, Hassan couldn't even be bothered to go through the fucking source material until after he already judged Jay. But I've been told I have it from a reliable source that are relevant is a journalist and he's doing his due diligence by silently watching and cataloging all of these historical documents. Well, I guess like thinking that Jay was on those episodes of EFAP somebody in his chat told them. I actually love that shit when Twitch Dreamers react to their videos. He's talking about just Twitch reactions in general, which yeah, most YouTubers do appreciate. I appreciate that. I really like it when that kind of thing happens to me. But what Hassan seems to not understand is that most YouTubers do have a line where they're no longer okay with the reaction content. This line is going to be in a different place for different creators. Most YouTubers like to receive reactions, but far, far fewer are comfortable with being used as filler as the streamer has some downtime. This is a distinction that it's- I'm sorry. That's the way that every streamer uses it. Let's be fair. That's all right. Yeah. That's the problem. All assholes. Great. That's a problem. I can't believe that like everybody does it. It's just being used as a point. Like, come on. Also, we're not doing it right now. Highlight the irony here. If he says all streamers do it with EFAP in the background, that's pretty perfect. We are on the opposite's end of the scale, my dude. Is this poetic irony? Is it? I think so. Is it? All streamers steal people's content. That's just how it works. No. So, what is the longest EFAP? How long have these pauses actually been? 31 hours is the longest one. That was, was that 100 or 150? 50. Okay. That was 30. Was that? Oh, wait. No way. It could have been 100. No, because, yeah, because 50 was 30 and then 100 was 31 because we tried to be out the previous year. All right. Right. Also, sorry for being in and out a little bit. I had two little boats there where I wasn't around. So, I got demonetized and then re-monetized all throughout EFAP. Hey. Really? Yes. So, had a problem. Solved it. I guess we're good. Let's be, come on. Let's keep it honest. All right. Let's, let's stop fucking around with the fuck around. Let's be honest. Okay. We all like retreat to you guys when we're out of content. That's what you're there for. Okay. Jesus. Man. Yeah. I mean, if you wanted to. If you're out of content, if you're out of content, you should just like end the stream for the day. Do something else. This comment. I'm just stealing people's content. Compared to the rest of them, it's a little less funny. It's just like, oh. Yeah. So, there it is. I'm just sad. Yeah. He's just like, we retreat to you guys when we're out of content. It's like, dude, what content? You don't have any. Do your job. Jesus. Sorry, me, man. Take pride in your work and you wouldn't be this shit. But yeah. I'm glad for you that you're so comfortable with it. Let's be fair. All right. Let's be on. Come on. Let's keep it honest. All right. Let's stop fucking around with the fuck around. So let's be honest. All right. Okay. We all like retreat to you guys when we're out of content. That's what you're there for. Okay. Your YouTube content is there when I ain't got nothing else left to talk about. Man. Wow. What a shit. Thanks so much. Thank you so much. Wow. What an ass. It's so. Why the fuck are you here then? It's probably worse coming from someone who just sits their ass in front of a webcam and sits there in a chair and they're like, oh yeah, all these people who like edit videos with programs and look up all this information and do video editing and they retake and retake the recordings and they watched it like fuck you. What a piece of shit for someone who's doing this to be like, oh yeah, you people only exist. Fuck off, man. You got no clue. Have you ever made a video? I don't know. I don't know if he's ever expended that level of effort. Why is there not anything that stops you from, yeah, you guys who make stuff that takes some amount of time, you're just here to entertain my viewers while I take a shit. That's all used. That's the purpose you serve. Why would you say that? Why would you say that? He's literally the extractive capitalist that takes from other people. Exactly. These fucking lefty socials type are just the most remote. The level of irony is off the charts. These parasites, man. Andrew Ryan was right. These people are fucking parasites. They're playing content that isn't theirs and even though those are the people might get a little bit of a bump, they're extracting out that level of capital that shouldn't be theirs. They are extracting all of the utility from someone else's work for free. They gain everything. Siphoning them in. Might get something. Maybe. Maybe. A little, a fat bump of maybe 200 people. Maybe. The fucking parent. You know, I, a lot of YouTuber, the vast majority of YouTubers, they do it and they just don't get any money for it. They do it because they are really trying to make a living out of it or because it's a hobby that they're pouring work into and any dollar that they get is just amazing. You know, they're working their asses off to maybe get to the point where it can sort of start to give them some money in return and these people sit there and 500 souls watch them and they just got no clue what really making content is. And it's kind of like, it should piss you off. It should make you upset to hear this kind of idiocy. Especially when, right, so I'm currently working on the next big project, but I've also got Gadel to sort out, especially with the days closing in. Meanwhile, I needed to get this all sorted, which meant I needed to watch the stream, make timestamps and then chop it up in Vegas and chop in the references from Jay's video after rewatching that to get the correct context for everything he was saying on timestamps. Then of course just mix it all up into something that's a bit quicker and chop all the fat, render that and then have us react to it on a stream to the point where we're at, want nearly five hours in 37 and a half minutes. Compare that to, I woke up, had some food, sat on my stream. Whose YouTube video can I watch today? There we go. I'll stay silent for 20 minutes and then go, thanks for the sub. Thanks for the donation. It's such a damning clip. Oh, it's pretty bad. It tells you so much about this person. The way that they view what they do. The way that they view the work of other people and their position in this sort of, this fear of content creation. Well, I am better than you. You exist only to fill my time when I don't have anything to do. I imagine that's what you do. Because he's laughing while saying it, maybe we can infer that he's not 100% serious and he understands that there's a negative sort of thing to this and that maybe if he was pressed on this, he'd be like, yeah, okay. I agree. It's not a good thing that it happens, but it does. Well, it's, it's almost even worse. It is worse if he engages in it after deciding that he thinks it's immoral. That would be bad. Yeah. But he does do it. So he views YouTubers as content creators for like his amusement and streamers on Twitch are professional watchers of things. It almost, it almost comes off that way, right? Like YouTube is just this nice library of stuff for you to use. For my job, my job is higher than that. My job is to watch. Okay. I mean, and he's in a, he's in a lucky world where most YouTubers will first of all not do anything at all or secondly be like, oh, did you like my video? Cool. Right. And then Jay comes along a very civil and calm way of explaining that this is not cool for a lot of people and for a lot of reasons. And what happens? He gets a fucking head bit off called a liar at a disingenuous cloutfarber. Disgusting. So I mean, we're closing in on the end of this section. And let's say our relevant is not exactly, uh, he's not great. No, great. This is the best of the three. Dude, the person to may drive you insane. Oh no. Great about our business. The welcome to the game series is a phenomenal series of games. It is my personal favorite game to watch on Twitch. It is my personal favorite game to watch on Twitch of all time. Favorite game. Number one is welcome to the game and like scrutinized the creator of that game publicly stated. I don't know if they stayed to this publicly stated that that game more people watch it on Twitch than they do buy it. And that is a issue that they have with the game because people are more specifically that people would rather watch the game be played on YouTube or Twitch than actually buy the game itself. Would you say then that those people are out of line for streaming that It depends if they transformed it. Yeah, that's just how it works. Let's play and streaming games is very complicated in that gray area. If I, you know, long plays, those are the ones that I'm really like, how is that allowed? It's basically just silent commentary. Especially if it's a narrative focused game. I was going to say a long play of the last of us and the last of us too. It's like, oh, that's. I would not play the developer for saying you can't do that. I wouldn't blame them. Wouldn't it isn't isn't the reason it's allowed because gameplay itself is performative. So every person was so I think it exists. The thing is the thing is I don't think that that's there's a reason why Nintendo did a lot of the things that they did initially and nothing happened about it. And it was their choice to make changes because I'm pretty sure that that's not going to be a good enough point that it's a video game. And it's necessarily going to be different for everybody. How they play it. I don't know that that would be a good point. Nintendo was ever taken the court, though. I think YouTube just says, OK, like they just kind of capitulate. Well, so the thing is, so like a video game is another thing that is protected by copyright. Someone made it that belongs to them and they have the right to distribute it and disseminate it and then do whatever with it as they want. Playing. I don't know what that would mean in terms of how it is transformed. I think that it's simply that with video games. It's at least a little bit clearer that you are not getting quite the same thing. If I just like, for instance, if someone streamed them watching like Avengers, you've watched it. If I watched someone play Dark Souls, I've watched them play Dark Souls. To be fair, I haven't played Dark Souls. It would still depend on what they do. And you're right with someone like Dark Souls. Because like if we compare with, let's go with DRS. I know I just need the examples. We'll go with that. Streaming that in full with very little commentary is just like, so I may as well have played it. There's really no difference. However, something like Dark Souls, League of Legends, all killing floor, whatever game that has a shit ton of variables that depend on the player. That's where it does get complicated for me. Because it's like, wow, you didn't play it because they've played it in a very specific. If you're watching someone who's incredibly skilled and naturally they don't have commentary because they're focused, like, so is that not transformative? And it's like, hmm, I think it wouldn't be. If you just play a video game silently, I don't think it'd be considered transformative because you're still, the game is intended to be played the way you're playing it. You're not transforming the material outside the bounds of its intention or existence. If it's narrative focused, I think I agree with you, but if it's mechanically, like, and that's it, it's like, well, the person watching isn't playing at all, right? Well, no, I think that would fall more into, like, does the video game company really get damaged by people watching it? Like, if it is people watching a fighting game, you think, well, who's really in the market of watching people play a fighting game than playing it? As opposed to, yeah, if it's a complete monitor, I think it would be criticized. That's quite large, right? Competitive, isn't like... The best difference is watching a competitive thing. It's a little different, though. Well, sure, but that means that there are a lot of people who would rather watch people do it than play it, right? Because that's like, if you're watching a specific player who's really good at transforming it, so once you're good enough, it's transformative. Well, no, but I'm saying like... I don't know that that's an argument that you could put forth, ever. I don't know that that's... No, I'm saying this is difference between the argument in terms of the narrative focus. Like, that makes... If you're just... Like, I don't know about the game he's talking about. If it's just a narrative game with no real mechanical elements, then yes. It's very easy to see how streaming that with no commentary would definitely not be transformative. Well, I think that's the reason why it's complicated, because I know that it's... I think it's something that's kind of just being accepted at this point. It seems like often there is a utility in letting people just like stream video game content, get some more eyes on it. Like a lot... I think that would be the way to put it. Video game companies tolerate... Video game companies really tolerate what's happening. I don't know that that... It's like Disney and trailers. Yes, necessarily. Yeah, exactly. Like, the trailer is technically copyrighted material. That could be the same... Yeah, play the trailer as much as you want. It's literally free advertising. Yeah. I also think that intention matters, because do you guys recall that one story a year or two ago, where a guy was streaming on Twitch, the pay-per-view of a UFC match. Yeah, yeah. And he had himself in the corner with a PlayStation 4 controller pretending he was playing the actual UFC game. And it's like, well, that is clearly transformative, because it's its own kind of little show. Like, look what this guy's getting away with. So that has its own... Well, I don't know about that. But also, I grew with that. I do, I do, because he was in the corner. I was like a little green screen, little head thing, and he has his controller, and he's miming playing. So that was its own little show. Seeing like, oh, look at this guy doing this. That's what we call an exploit. That's not transformative as an exploit. But also, it's the fact that he was doing it specifically to get around those rules. Exactly. So I think the intention also matters. That's very complicated. It's complicated. Well, this is the thing. All we're highlighting is how it's a murky area right now, how to transform a video game. It's like, well... Well, because remember, copyright is a principle and a lot of the law surrounding it arose before the internet. Because I mean, of course, video games have been around for a while. But video game content on the internet is what, like 10, 15 years old? And it's all constantly developing and changing all the time. It's really... Because the goal with copyright is to protect the creators. Like, that's the idea. And fair use is meant to exist to befit some sort of public utility. That's the reason why criticism is allowed is because there's a public utility in allowing people to freely criticize other work that exists. So it's kind of a question at this point, probably of, well, what is the broader utility of Let's Plays or any of these sort of more murky, gray area stuff, versus how the people who created that stuff be protected and be able to enforce their rights. That's kind of like the balancing act that we have to try and figure out. And it feels like we're naturally going towards a point where video games are going to kind of be an exception, it seems that way. Like, video game content really is much more so tolerated than film, television, music. I mean, if you're only looking at the transformative principle, I think there's a strong argument that if you play any video game with no commentary, it's not transformative. But the other question is, with fair use is, you have to see, is the person, by using your copyright material, are they affecting your market? And I think that's where a lot of criticism gets through is because the perception is, well, people aren't going to watch a game overplaying it most of the time. Which is not true. Which is why the narrative, yeah, I think it's why the narrative doesn't exist. Right. Yeah. Some people might watch a Let's Play because they just want the experience of the game without actually buying it. Some people watch a Let's Play because they like the personalities of the people doing Let's Play. Yeah. Right. Commentary or not, it's fair use. I do not establish that. I wouldn't want to jump on that one. Well, and someone super-chatted with, is your playthrough of Little Hope transformative? So every single clarification we've been making is that no commentary. We keep saying no commentary because commentary transforms it for sure. And I was going to say, in the same way with the Avengers example, for me, if I talk over the whole thing, it's like that's not the same as watching it, right? Sure. Well, so that's kind of the interesting, because it's good to, like, let's not get confused. Like, if you, ideally, in an ideal world, I should be able to play a full minute clip in like a review that I'm making of a film and not have any problems as long as I am reviewing, you know, I'm using these references to support what I'm doing. YouTube doesn't work like that, though, because YouTube is shoot first, ask questions later. YouTube doesn't let you do that, because if you do that, you can upload clips. You have been prevented from doing something that you really ought to be able to do because a lot of other people didn't do the right thing. Yeah, a lot of this kind of ties in. You actually go ahead. You go ahead. Okay. Thanks. I'm also thinking now, because you can buy audio files that are rift tracks of various movies. They don't come with the movie. Right. They could, because it is technically transformative, their commentary of the movie, but they usually don't. So much simpler for them. Well, that's why. It's the same thing with, like, you have to remember that YouTube's copyright laws are not the legal. Well, YouTube's on copyright laws. They're the ways that they enforce the terms of service, which are what is being attended by U.S. copyright law. Yeah, YouTube shoots first and asks questions later. Because technically, you should be able to upload, like, I was listening to Red Letter Media a commentary of Justice League the other day. And, like, theoretically, legally, they should be able to have the video, the movie playing, with their commentary. That would, I would say that would be transformative stuff. Well, it is. It's usually not going to allow it. It is, because remember, there are a few factors that play into it, but I guess it's the idea that ideally, EFAP movies should be able to show without having to do the, like, great, you know, the transparency thing, because we are... And when you're doing a review, I shouldn't have to chop everything up into, like, little five-second chunks to not get hit by copyright. I should be able to play the scene in full and then talk about the scene. But the system is designed to prevent the things that aren't allowed because YouTube gets in trouble if that. Like, this is kind of the reason why it's interesting with Twitch, because it feels like a house of cards that's inevitably going to collapse. Because YouTube's had all of these things happen before. Like, Nintendo or, like, music companies, or especially music companies back in the day, or, like, you know, film studios, that they've, like, come at YouTube for these things. That's why YouTube has the system. They want to prevent, as much as possible, people doing things that infringe on copyright, which means that people who don't infringe on copyright have to abide by rules that they probably should be allowed to not have to deal with, because they're actually transforming it. Twitch is going to have the same thing happen eventually. All it's going to take is, like, a company to go, wait a minute, you're telling me they're watching, like, all of MasterChef? Like, they're just watching MasterChef. When we, Fox, like, who are now part of Disney, I guess, have our own methods of monetizing this work that is just not being used, it's entirely, like, pulling away from our market. We own it. All right, we're coming off to Twitch. And then that'll be, like, a reckoning. And it's probably going to happen eventually, because this can't go on forever. And from chat, you cannot get the same experience without the exact same input from the player as to change the experience, pacing, and little details. These all change. So I actually think that's about as relevant as saying, you cannot say that our relevant watching Jay's video with no commentary is the same as watching the video because you'll hear his breath. You'll see him looking around. You'll see, like, yes, there are changes, but there's got to be a line, guys. There's got to be, like, if we highlight one simple change to the experience, and then it's done. As I said, narrative-driven games that are, like, walking simulators, not to be disparaging to that right now. And my point is more so that it lacks mechanics significantly and, say, the devs worked really hard on the fucking story. And then you just re-upload that and everyone watches it and nobody buys the game. It's, like, it feels like something's wrong there. Something's wrong is happening. Nintendo is suing you for stringing that game would be like Fender suing your friend for playing your guitar. Do you really think that that's a good analogy? Speaking of analogies. Yeah. No, like, going back to the earlier thing with our relevant and his amazing analogy. But, yeah, that's... What? Like, the guitar. They sold you the guitar. They didn't sell you, like, the music or someone else's capacity to use your guitar. Like, what? Well, yeah, to be fair, that people making money off re-uploading, like, the full stories of games that release on the market themselves. And it's just like, is that cool? It's like, hmm. I don't know. No, I would say no. Not sure. I don't want to be too definitive and there's loads of complications to this, hence why there's no clear laws on this yet, but there will be. Give it time. Right. Especially if people keep doing... Like, there is an element of respecting the spirit of the law that should go into responsible content creation. Going, like, saying, ha ha, I can't believe I'm getting away with this, ha ha ha. Isn't this great? Is not the attitude you want to have because you will invite that hammer coming down one day. And you... So, do you guys know why, at least in America, there is no actual alcohol consumption in alcohol commercials? Some law, huh? Oh, I never thought about that. You're right. Now, your first thought was because of a law, but actually there is no law that says that they don't have to do that. It is a pretty much a greed upon set of rules that alcohol companies abide by so that there are no laws on it. Well... They are very stringent and very... They're quite keen on playing it very safe in their commercials so that there is no reason for a law to happen. Is it... Is that the standard that the alcohol companies have or is it a standard that most broadcast stations have? That's a standard that the alcohol companies did. And it has become normalized maybe just because it's been happening that way for so long, but it's kind of like the haze code in a way. Yes, it's like the movie ratings, yeah. Yeah, it is not, like, and it's not a legal thing. You know, there's not a law on the books, but because these groups of companies or whatever come together and agree on these rules and follow them well enough, that means there doesn't have to be any laws. There's no pressure to make legitimate legal declarations on these things. Yeah, the movies break themselves because otherwise they don't want the government to have to do that. Yeah, there's an understanding here that, you know, we're kind of, yes, we're competing in a business level, but we are all alcohol providers and we do provide a product service, all that sort of thing. We don't want to have the legal hammer come down because the government is at the very, very top of everything. And I feel like a lot of streamers in particular have this attitude of get it while the getting's good and fuck the rules. I can't believe I'm getting away with this. I'm going to do it to spite the rules. Me, me, me, me, me, super selfish. Fuck everybody else. If they have this attitude that is so harmful to they, it's just it comes across as selfish and irresponsible and it doesn't respect the spirit of a lot of these rules. And it will bite them. It will eventually. It's only a matter of time. Obviously, he brought up video games just as a like, so what should the rules be on that? And it's like, these are still being figured out. It's tough. We don't know yet. Yeah. It's complicated. Video games definitely. You know what's not complicated? It's like playing someone's video when you stream just fully because you can't do anything with it. And that's just not, that's unambiguous. I feel like just because you can highlight, well, what about that thing? That's not unambiguous. It's like, okay. Game. Like that is a fair, like legitimate thought process. Is that an unfair thing to do? You know? And I personally, I don't think it matters unless the creator explicitly specifies that they don't want the game streamed. Then I would care. But until that happens, I don't think you have a moral responsibility. Don't think you have a moral responsibility. Well, consistent what you said before. You can steal as much as you want until someone says, hey, don't do that. Yeah. Yeah. Your work exists for me says a lot about moral responsibility of content. Conveniently, the system means he has to do the little list amount of work. Hmm. Crazy. But that's all from me today. If you've enjoyed this video, good. I, I, I, oh no. I honestly just straight up believe that video was just a second video about that Hassan shit. I don't buy for a second that it was about honestly anything else. You're an idiot. You're an idiot. No, it was broadly about reaction content. That's what the whole thing was. It felt exactly like the other video. But it was just. Sorry, you feel that way. He thinks that that video was just like the stream that Jay did with the parody. How in the world could you possibly say that? I don't know. Did Jay, there was no commentary on the stream, right? It was just Jay sitting there with this defect. Yeah. You told, you're telling me that I have to. Show the channel name, Rely, you leech. I, if I get anybody who does that in earnest, I know you're memeing. Well, if they did it in earnest, they're not memeing. Anybody that does that in earnest, bro, I'm going to have to log off, all right? Someone is telling you to show what you watched and who did it and you're like, fuck you, I'm going to log. I'd rather log off. I'd rather quit streaming than give credit to the person whose content I just watched. Actually, fuck you. Well, the title of this stream is the absolute state of Twitch stream is like, yeah, that's pretty bad. Uh, do better as my hero. Geez, do better. Log off, all right? Twitch streamers are, Twitch streamers are, you know that kid who was never spanked by their parents and they just could just get away with everything? That, that's what Twitch streamers are. I ain't going to agree with you on that one, buddy. What? What do you mean? I think spanking's bad. No. Well, I was using it as a general. Oh, Mahler is anti-spanking. Fuck yeah. Screw spanking, screw anyone who does it. I think that you should be able to achieve discipline without that. But what if you can't? Then you shouldn't resort to violence. That's an even worse decision. I don't know, man. When you see that kid screaming in the grocery store, you're like, I wish that mom would just... Yeah, take them out. Yeah, take them out. Not with a spank. I am very pro spanking with consenting adults, of course. Oh, okay. I see how it is. I would even guess that one of the podcasts Dweeb's told Jay that Hassan said on his stream, his mom is not there, and he will start cooking food in AFK on stream again, so it made them make themselves relevant again with a second go at the video. I don't know about anything like that. That was read so poorly. I almost didn't understand. I was about to say, did any of you guys catch that because I actually missed it? Fuck me. You are so bad at reading that I... I didn't even catch that. It was like a clumsy journey down a goat path. And he will start cooking food in AFK on stream again, so it made them make themselves relevant again with a second go at the video. I don't know about anything like that. I think that... You're saying like that's the motivation for making this video? I have no idea, honestly. I got no fucking idea. Does it ever bother you that all you fucking want to talk about is the motivation behind it and ever the arguments themselves? Ever the thing itself? Geez. Yeah, well, it's no ad-homs because you can't actually attack the argument. Super up to date with that. That just felt like it was another video to just shit on Asan. You'll be able to get back to that for whatever reason. For whatever reason. That's all that really felt... There was literally a video about Asan, anybody that says otherwise is... Asan is in it. Asan is part of the video. He is in a way what inspired the video. But if you think it was a Asan video, then you're a fool. Why does it even matter? I don't know. You should be able to do for your job is just understand information that is presented to you and you can't do that. That sounds like reading. God, and we've talked about this before. All Asan had to do to avoid all of this was go... I know. Oh yeah. Sorry about that. JXC is the channel. Link and Chat. It was a good video. I'll be better at going forward. We'll have to do. Being stupid. Like it was just a video like about Asan. And it felt like the original video that they had before was like whatever. I'll be willing to take an L on this in the future. There you go. In their reaction... I don't think you're telling the truth. I don't think you will. I don't think that you can do it. That is it everybody. No, no, no, no. This is just the first step you said of terrible illness. Yes, but tonight we're at five hours. We're probably going to go to Super Chat now. And besides, everyone I think needs a break before they encounter Flem Kring too. I would say so. They're being well rested ahead of the next one. Otherwise... Whom the streamer is? Or is it going to be surprise? Is there any reason to keep that a secret anyway? I guess not, right? There's no reason. Maybe not. It's a lady. And Jay's responded to this lady and had a debate with this lady, which is all in the coverage of her. So that should be enough for several people in chat to get it. It's the queen. Her name is Denim's. Oh. Do you know her? Why'd you make her know her? I know who Denim's is. God, she's a fucking... She has a black hole for a brain. She has a black hole for a brain. No thoughts go in. No thoughts go out. Your only thoughts come out. I guess no thoughts come out. Only it... She... Well, I don't... Hmm. Wait, if you have a black hole for a brain, doesn't that mean you just absorb a lot of information that I guess you absorb it and do nothing with it? You take the light from the world. It gets squashed into a little singularity at the center of the size of an atom. The size of an atom, right? The H-O-T thoughts is what comes out. All right, how about... Is the singularity is like the size of an atom, isn't it? Or is it smaller than that? I don't know how big a gravitational singularity is. I do know. I'm going to say it's... No, it is compressed down to an infinitely tiny point. That's right. Because we don't understand how things work in black holes so very well. I looked it up. Yeah, we don't know. I mean, of course we don't know, right? We can't send anything in to find out and send that information. Maybe we could send her into one and see what happens. See which one's denser. Do they cancel out or...? For years that would be Andy. No, I got that one from space.com. I'm sure that they know a lot about space. They called space. Space.com. That's right. I find that so fascinating that there's just this part of the universe. Wow, I guess many parts, right? There are many black holes out there where it's just like, yeah, things just don't really work the same in this place. Everything that we understand about the way that things work doesn't here. And also, I mean, it's the same with like, isn't the idea that particle theory and string theory are incompatible but both work? Right. It's like the difference between YouTubers and Twitch streamers. They're just different. What? One's particle theory and one's string theory. When one of them is flametheory. Flametheory. I've never heard of this flametheory. As long as it's not flamethrinch. No. Not. Not. No! Not to it. That way. So yeah, what will likely happen is next week we'll be person number two. And of course, Dev, Stitch, you will be welcomed back if you wish to join us for that escapade. Of course. I thought we were doing it tonight, but okay, sure. Well, wow. So is anyone just going to be three weeks away? So we could... Listen, I hear you guys go for like 12, 15 hours. We're going to start super chats. That's actually lost as much as three hours, usually. Like, so with this thing with... We could do another one, but it would probably mean that we wouldn't get to get to super chats at that point. General flametheory relativity and quantum theory. Right. Oh, right, right. Right. That sounds about right. All these people in chat, do it. Continue, do it. It's like, you know, far behind we are in super chats. We're going to get to super chats. Well, if that's the case, I'm going to go make a sandwich and I'll be back in a minute. Very well. Alrighty. Oh, and I guess since at the end, what ended up happening during the thing is I got demonetized on my main channel. Oh, channel why? The main channel's gone. The monetization was gone. And I was like, what the fuck? So I was looking into it and I was typing away. And I was emailed a Google AdSense pin I had to put in like three months ago. I just forgot about it. So I was like, oh, shit. So I put it in and they want me to like confirm with my bank account. So I was doing that. I was doing bank account stuff. And I got the monetization back. Good. But it was a fun little adventure that was happening in the side there. So was it you'll never catch up? Let's be honest. That is not an excuse to never try. To be fair, even if we never did catch up, it is like a cycle where we're constantly making through. It's like a treadmill in a sense. You'll never get to the end, but you're constantly like sort of making it your own form of progress, right? You're going through everything. It's just, there's so many. So you need to get read. So it's not like, it's not like there are super chats. We'll never get to it just means that we're doomed to have a backlog forever, but we are cycling through them. So they will all get read. Oh, they will. We will get through them. Yeah, you're good for me. Yeah, you're good for me. You guys get for me to start. Yeah, sure. Let's get going. All right. Hey, Fringy, did you play Tetris Effect? I'm all in. Tetris Effect? Maybe? No, actually, that doesn't ring a bell. No, I don't think so. That looks, wow, look at all those crazy effects. Wow. It's almost like it's a Tetris Effect. Whoa. I'm going to look that up. Oh, you're scaring Rex. Maybe that'll get added to the list. I want to play Kirby. That's what I want to play Kirby. No, not Tetris Kirby, just Kirby and his little adventure in the Forgotten Land. Who forgot it? Everyone? Yeah, it would seem that way. It's all run down, but it's all lush and pretty and colorful. Neat. So on my gaming channel last night, I actually played that. It's an incredible game. It's really I've heard great things. I've heard very good things. I've actually ever played a Kirby game before. But yeah, I want to I want to give this one a shot. It looks like a lot of fun. It's pretty fun. Two player mode is not great because the second player can't use copy abilities like in most curbies, but it's it's a pretty fun game. Cool. Victor Shep, Faken Gay. Sorry, Victor. Apparently a Faken Gay. Metal Slug's art style aged like the finest wine. I know Metal Slug's art style. Yeah, we could talk before about how like graphics are one thing, but how you stylize everything is likely going to decide how long you can last as you age. Yeah. Hey, what's a good question I can ask you guys? I don't know if that was a right one. Well, I mean, there's a lot of questions you could ask us that we haven't been asked theoretically, right? Just got to try and think of them. Like, what kind of villain would you like to see in a movie you think hasn't been done yet? What about that as a question? Oh, Raccoon. Yeah. Why? I don't know. If you were stuck on a deserted island with a tree that grew one kind of pizza and it was a pizza tree, what kind of a pizza would it be? Oh, I thought this was you explaining the raccoon thing. Oh, no, no, no. We're moving on to the pizza tree. Yeah, yeah, that's a standalone, right? If you're going to have one type of pizza for the rest of your life, what toppings would you choose, I guess? Yeah, which I think should be a pizza with quite a variety on it. So you want veggies and you want meat and you want, you know, the stuff that you could eat constantly and at least gives you a variety of nutrients, you know, probably thin crust that you don't over carb. I just realized the Oscars of tomorrow. I segue. Sighting. That wasn't a segue, he just said. No, it's just an observation. No, I know there wasn't any segue involved. Didn't, like, the last Oscars get the lowest ratings ever? Yes, they've been pretty consistently on the decline. Isn't Amy Schumer hosting this one with Regina Schumer? Oh, that'll bring them in. Oh, they'll come in like rows. It's Regina Hall. Regina Hall, Amy Schumer and Wanda Sykes. Have you ever accidentally said Regina? No, not really. Oh, the ratings are just going to go fucking down. Well, I mean, in their defense, last year's ratings were probably pretty low just because it's like the COVID year. There weren't a lot of movies and everything got described. Yeah, but like there's nothing else to do. People are just at home. Well, yeah, but I guess it would be that the number of films that have the potential to be nominated is much lower. But they have been consistently on the decline to be fat, like throughout the whole like last decade. They've been consistently going down. Briny, why are so many Twitch thoughts from Aussie? Oh, no. Are they? I didn't know that. Well, I guess that just means a lot of people in Australia are hot, right? I mean, I guess that's true. I would imagine that Australia has a pretty good ratio based on, yeah. Oh, what? Watch Maggie. There are a lot of pretty girls around in Australia land. Watch Maggie May Fish Fight Club analysis video. Anyone know who? Yeah, we got to do that at some point. We're supposed to do it on my channel. Who that? Who? Who? It's this woman who she has this insane take on Fight Club. Is there a TLDR or? I can't even explain it to you. It's insane. We'll have to watch it on my channel. Oh, good god. This isn't it. Is the Fight Club cultural fascism and the colonization of victimhood? That is it. Why does that sound like a parody? Oh, no. No, no, no, no, no. Okay, yeah. You know what? You should invite the three of us onto you. Adam and Sish, we can do it there. Do you want to do it tomorrow? Tomorrow. Do you guys have a plaid show tomorrow? I'm assuming you guys have a show plaid door. Actually, it's kind of a problem. The only problem is I'm booked for drink a ketchup stream. So we'll do it later. Well, you can have those two on. Those two chuckles. I'm probably going to be playing Kirby. So I'll be streaming Kirby. Fair enough. Today is Saturday, March 26th, 2022. All right. On time. No, it's not. It's 27th. Actually, you're right. It is the 27th. Yeah. It's the 26th for us in the proper country. Damn free. We're outnumbered. Run. Oh, no. No, the majority of the world is in the majority of the world's population is on. It's the 27th. Actually, I was going to say a dev is muted. So it's 2v2. We're fine. The majority of the world in the best number one country in the world, which is America, is in the proper time zone. So. Oh, it's in the 26th right now. But you're in you're in four time zones, though. And those are the correct time zones. No, more than four. Sorry. Don't you have like six? Because you got no one cares about Alaska or Hawaii or is Puerto Rico in eastern or are they? OK, the contiguous United States. Yeah, has four time zones. Yeah, correct. Yes. Yeah, we have more than that because we're weird. Like in daylight time, we have some that have daylight time and some that don't. We are, I think right now, we have six time zones at the moment. Oh, let me see. Are you guys in daylight saving time? Well, some of us are. So hold on. Let me see if I can find the map. Yeah, we have we have we have one, two, three, four, five time zones during summer. Wow. What about in England? Do you guys have daylight same time? No, it doesn't. You can only have one. It's too small. Oh, yeah. London is like how everyone used to be. Yeah, we're tiny. Greenwich. Greenwich. No, I just mean by like it, when you have you choose time zones on like websites or technology, whatever, it'll always be listed as London. Like, yeah. What was that, sorry? You need a spring back. Funnily enough, literally, I think an hour ago, our clocks went forward. So I have to get out. So going forward, I need to wake up an hour early. It was tonight. And when my clocks go back, that would be two hours. Oh, boy, back to the very, very, very early starts. Remind me to change my alarm clock. It's an analog one. OK, thank you. I thought it was based off of the equinox or something. I didn't think of something just random, like some random day. I'm sure there's a reason might well be when I did, and I'm not sure when that is. First, I think it's something like the last Saturday of the month or something like that. I don't know. A Sunday of the month, sorry. Because I was just the beginning of the month. I don't know. I don't have to. I should know this, but I just don't because I've never kid. My bad. But it doesn't mean I will start telling people that EFAP is 7 p.m. BST now instead of GMT. Yeah, bullshit time. All right. Well, it is early. It's early for me. Did one of you ask how many time zones does the sun have? Not. All right. All right. That's three. And China only has one, don't they? It's and it's aligned for the east. So you live in like super far west. It is the already approved time. The people's time. The people's time. Our time. I'm read. Oh, it doesn't change till 1 a.m. Apparently. Okay, so it's changing in half an hour in my bed. So I'm going to it's going to go from 1 a.m. to just jump to 2 a.m. suddenly for me. That's terrifying. Congratulations on 100k on Mula. Yes, we recently crossed into 100k subs on the old EFAP archive channel. Nice and neat. We're thinking of doing something for it. We'll figure something out. All right. Calm down. All right. We'll do something. Party hats. I don't know. You said each TFA part would be two weeks apart. It's been three weeks. This is sarcasm in brackets. Two weeks apart. The fool. Naive fool. I believe I have at least two years before people will consider it late to get TFA part five. So we're all good for now. Just finished community. Glad it was only three seasons. Otherwise it might have gotten bloated and ridiculous. Season five is pretty good. Season five is pretty good. Yeah. All bad. Six cringe. The second or last season. Yes. Yes. Just fine. The comeback season which was alive and well and clearly had passion involved. And then the next one was sort of just made because oh fuck yeah I guess we carry on. I mean it's good. I guess we had two seasons in a movie. You know. Yeah. It never reaches the first three seasons again. No. That's definitely peak community. Especially with Chevy Chase. He's funny as fuck. Yep. Also when is EFAP going to start? Once every Tuesday. Oh sorry. I'm interrupting. When is EFAP going to just start doing Troy and Arvid style end scenes? I don't think we've done that. Well we need to have three people. I don't know. Mother rags and fringy. All right good. After what has happened to Destiny I'm even more blackpilled about online politics. Hoping he goes scorched it. He kind of has been. You can see how. Yeah he's been doing some scorched stuff. I'm back. I got my sandwich. Got my sandwich. I'm ready to go. Listen I watched a bit of that video Sitch. The Fight Club one. Oh yeah. It's fucking insane isn't it? I know. Jesus. Leave Fight Club alone. Fight Club is one of those. I think it's been lumped in with like Rick and Morty and isn't that what they always show like oh you've taken the wrong lessons if you like Tyler Judden. It's a little more complicated than that. You want in on the eventual stream of that Dev? You're welcome. Sure thing. Nice. Let's do it. Yeah we don't want to be a part of it. Don't even bother asking. We would never. You already did. Rags was like in the bathroom or something. Rags misses stuff sometimes. He has to buy it in a moment. Damn it. That was a very poorly timed poo. Yes it was. But yeah I've already seen tweets from him but I'm like well his tweet is going to get bound to any second now. And there are people who are like let's get him sort of thing and they're like this is an account that's been banned before get him twitch support get him get him get him it's just like I fucking hate online discourse. This is the culture that we have now get rid of him get him yeet it out of this place. These spooky robot policemen you're just like over there there's this bad man get him they're just like like yes. I will say I have wanted liberals to separate from the left online for like three fucking years now and I'm glad it's finally happening. Well I mean it seems like that's the thing right now hasn't liberal been turned into a pejorative. To be fair by both sides. What happened. What happened. The commies happened yeah but like for a long time the commies have been trying to take liberals and turn them into more commies and that's been like kind of successful. But finally this is the moment where they're just like no expelled and I'm like thank fucking gogs. I hate the fact that I can't you know talk about health care on the internet without being called a fucking communist. Right. Well do we know exactly why he was banned. Not yet. No I don't think it's I don't think it's known quite yet. We probably never will find out. To be fair. That's always great to know that your career you can just get fucking banned. I mean you know he already got deported so I guess he wasn't making a whole lot of money off of Twitter directly. I guess. He had an affiliate button. He had an affiliate button. Oh did he? Okay. Yeah he did. I think here's the thing. He went over it on stream and I watched the stream and it wasn't clear but from what they said it seemed like it was probably because of the stuff he was saying on Twitter. Yeah there's a lot of theories right now because to be fair there's lots of stuff that it wouldn't surprise me that he would have been banful but only in the sense that Twitch could use it if they want to. They don't apply it equally to everybody. Yeah and also that that Keffel's woman basically got a bunch of people to like masterport his channel. Yeah there's a lot of campaigns to destroy him right now. Holy shit have you guys seen what Keffel's has been saying? She accused him of being a rapist. And then sats. She's the one that said like I'm going to take your revenue sources or something like that. Yeah yeah but on stream she said Destiny's a rapist. And then she waited 30 seconds and then she was like oh that might not be true but like it was it was clean enough so that clearly it could be made into a clip and like passed around around that one viral. And so there's so much there's so much deep lore on this current situation. This Keffel's person just seems seems fucking insane. Unstable but is Twitch now doing the Patreon thing where they're gonna judge your off-platform behavior as means to ban you? I think they uh wasn't that something that got mentioned like I remember because Meadow showed me like that there was yeah like last year that that was the thing that got mentioned the off-platform stuff. Well it just feels like um ah whatever. Just another you know chapter in the long running history of oh shit the internet scan. Always down for more of the EFAP Twitch Hock. Also SFO is looking surprisingly shadowy. I think they mean because you weren't here at the time but that's okay because you want to- Oh sorry sorry. Also also high rags and others. Hello! Except Sitch go make a video. Who said that? That was GSPI? This be? Thank you GSPI. Oh I know yeah okay. Ah my favorite Nazi kill stream hey spoilers okay that's gonna be- No that's covered in part three probably. Yeah that'll be part three. Um Sitch why are you like peacemaker but not Suicide Squad? Uh Suicide Squad was just boring I don't know I just couldn't care about it at all. Did you guys like Suicide Squad? Hell yeah. The Suicide Squad? Yes quite a bit. The second the one with the Starfish? Yes the Suicide Squad. I don't know I just I wanted to like I just I just couldn't. I really like the characters and I thought they were really well done and I really enjoyed it. Yeah yeah yeah. I like Suicide Girls. Oh nice um also we thought peacemaker was pretty lame so it looks like we got the opposite opinion to you. Really okay. Which means you're wrong. Anyway um I thought the jokes were really bad. I thought the plot was nonsense and I thought that they had screwed up his character from the Suicide Squad over to his show. From what I hear it's uh it's very good the further along you get though. The big problem with peacemaker is that it's overwritten. Like a lot of the jokes like they'll say a quip and you're like oh it's funny and then it just keeps going and you're like oh my god like stop talking. And it feels like they're really trying to stretch the episodes out. That's apparently a mistype rags that that article is supposed to say uh Marvel movies not movies or films. It is yeah I somebody posted it like this is funny. Yeah it looks funny as fuck on its own. No I don't like it. Jared Leto says he doesn't think movie theaters would still exist without films. Yeah um so what he what he meant was what he said was Marvel films and then still people are like to be fair Marvel films didn't exist something else would have just taken the spot. Because people like watching films. Well especially with how many people want to you know who really want to jump in on that Marvel Cinematic Universe style thing. Why is he saying that about Marvel though? Because he's he's in Morbius so he's promoting it. He's in Morbius. Oh I didn't realize that okay. Oh how's Morbius doing Morbius? It's not out yet I don't think but um let's see. Apparently the director's just been answering questions pertaining to the post-credits seeds. April 1st is when that comes out we'll see if that is coincidental or uh appropriate. Uh any reason Jay isn't here on this stream about Jay? I think Jay's asleep but um as was pointed out Jay has been on like 70 faps in a row or something ridiculous. We should probably shake up the guests and we haven't actually had- Jay is recharging. Good ol' uh Devon for a while nor Sitch. I would have invited Adam but he just hated the idea of coming on. Isn't that true Sitch? Uh it is no no it's true that Adam said that he actually hates you specifically. Me yeah. Fringy? Oh. Oh what? If you would only come on if you weren't on so. Will he come on next week? Oh yeah we're I'm glad we're cool. He's my in word so we- Yeah he'd really like to be honest but I don't think he- Did he at least did he at least watch this while doing his work? Uh no. He refuses to watch anything with Fringy in it so. Damn. Oh jeez. Okay well if we boot Fringy for next week will he come on then? Oh yeah if we if we uh if we uh if Fringy's sleeping if he's asleep next dream we could bring it. He can be our our sub for Fringy. Each one of us needs to designate a sub. Normally I'm the designated sub but what we'll do is we'll find somebody who can replace us if we are asleep or horrifically inebriated or if we die. Well why can't we just play a video at that point and we'll sleep and let it play? Oh yeah that's true. Yeah. Yeah. Well entertain our channel. Yeah that's true. Yeah that's true. Can you just play our relevant stuff? No I don't want to lose you. No we don't want to hit people. No we don't. I want to come back and have people still here so I Hi Rags. Hello. The whole EFAP crew has a great way of articulating speech and getting points across. Is there any advice or recommendations any of you could give to someone like me who stutters and trips over my own words a lot? Hmm. Hmm. Um I I guess if you stutter and it's like a problem that's somewhat medical then I'd probably be like a speech therapist right? An elocutionist. But if it's just like within the bounds of normal sort of stuttering and you know normal yeah like if it's if it's within the realms of sort of just regular issues with getting points across. Yeah not like a diagnosable sort of thing. Yeah. If not then it would just be I guess it's practice doesn't help like just saying practice probably isn't it's not super helpful. Well Talk to your I think that I have yeah I think I've benefited greatly from talking to myself a lot as if I was making a video or as if I if I have a thought that comes into my head or a point then I'll just say it as if I'm making a video just kind of out loud to myself to practice and speaking. I I think a lot of it comes down to I think this certainly applies to writing. Um I'm not certain how it applies to being able to speak but reading a lot I think might help quite a bit. Um Out loud you mean? Listening. Hmm? Reading out loud or? Yes reading out loud. I think that being able to have a template that you use to sort of practice your mouth because your mouth is not just a muscle it is many muscles your your your lips and your tongue. So just having something to read that takes off the you thinking as you go element but sort of just literally helps you like with everything else if you want to practice long jump then you you go out and you jump long I guess or if you want to pole vault you know you do your every every exercise kind of builds up um you know muscles and so I I bet there's an aspect of that that comes with speaking the more you speak the better you get at the actual physical aspect of speaking. You know the problem is that you don't know it to say then maybe speak slower always think in your mind to plan ahead what you're going to be saying in the future try to eliminate or or be conscious at least of those filler words and verbal ticks you know what I'm saying yeah you know things like that other than that I'm not sure I mean in seriousness depending on the severity you should I was being serious I know so I didn't mean to say it like I was being serious but if it depending on how severe it is you should see a speech therapist because I mean part of the problem is like when you have these speech problems it can be very weird because you can read you know maybe if you're by yourself you can read and you're totally fine and then it's only when you're talking other people they get a problem or sometimes you can sing songs clearly and then you stutter in normal speech so like it's it's such a complicated problem that I would I would really if it's if it is an issue to go see a speech therapist fair enough uh it's embarrassing the amount of show runners happily stating they never looked at the original material and who are just happy with that poor John Halo yeah well no John Halo is the main character of the Halo show he is Mr. Chief John Halo I guess it's not poor John Halo just fuck John Halo I guess would be the wow yeah I guess suppose even angry Joe said Halo was bad yeah I heard they then say even a get Joe even a get Joe I'm not sure I'm trying to think of what that would even Joe maybe they mean get Joe on or something which you even got Joe they oh maybe you and honey Joe and honey I was subjected to Spider-Man Twitter for a whole week they are weird people and they compare Spider-Man 2 to everything yeah yeah I once I once encountered them they are well they're just bad as the rest of Twitter let's just be honest um try finger rag hole good morning love Sev that is a please don't put your finger in the rag hole I don't appreciate that Lord Moeller have you considered a long Zilla by Roland Emmerich that had been on EFAP for the ages also High Fringies which is for the good boy oh thanks long Zilla is definitely on the cards yeah definitely S-Class and R-Tards rise up also High Rags hello yeah what wasn't it it rags the R-Tards and mine with Mongos right R-Tards Mongos, the R-Tards yeah Mongos, the R-Tards Bola how would you rank the From Software games High Rags and Green Bird right so my favorite listing goes Dark Souls 1 then Bloodborne then Elden Ring and Dark Souls 3 are kind of oscillating right now I'm not sure and then after that DS2 after a chasm you know big ol then that happens and Sekiro is not something I have played yet and a lot of people want me to and I'll get around to it um hi dev please squeak squeak ah that's a clever onomatopoeia there in the Swedish dub of Arkane Vi calls Caitlyn a cracker instead of cupcake realizing what that would sound like in English maybe laugh out loud very careful should get banned on Twitch for that yeah Vi is a cracker though as we know is it gonna get banned it is it doesn't matter it's gonna get banned suppressing the truth wow eFap movies of murder on the Orient Express high racks hello which one do they mean presumably because there are multiple murders on the Orient Express I wonder how many there are actually like how many adaptations I think there's a lot there's two that I know of but who knows maybe it's like the three mischeteers where there's shit tons and we're just like oh shit yeah yeah yeah I would be down for it I think that would be interesting to take a story that's especially a mystery or a who done it style movie and then watch different versions of that story play out to see the differences eFap is art here go it belongs to everyone comrade no oh no our it we should change our name to wefap thoughts on someone taking stories posted to reddit putting them through a text-to-speech bot monetizing it on youtube and shilling a patreon it happened to r slash h f y people argued you couldn't claim copyright on something you posted to reddit so it was wrong for the authors to flag the videos it's like people who go to like clip compilations they pull from reddit or they pull from things like that and they have channels that are just compilations of stuff that they've taken hmm yeah it's i mean it's not their stuff they're not doing anything transformative with it it's kind of certainly not comfortable with it if someone took the time to write out a full story on to reddit and then you just took it bought it and then monetized it it's like oh that is not i don't i do not think that counts as transformative but you know what they're a guilty pleasure of mine when i'm working out they're quite convenient yeah like listening to them is one thing it's the aspect of i guess it's more about them being able to get away with them and yeah how far does that go you know now if well if people were doing that and like these channels that take this reddit compilations of things that happen and it's just it's just a clip show of things that they've taken and they say all right all of the money that i get it's donated to charity or something like that i'd be so much more willing to be like oh okay you know i think that's why they specified text of speech as well because you get those creepypasta channels that are like a lot of voice acting comes into it and so there is something yeah okay and then visual work and stuff and it's like so it is written and if you credit who wrote it like you know there's more to say on that than there is on these where it's just like at least there's an argument to be made you know because like the radio shows of old a lot of work went into the sound effects and the voice acting and especially knowing that it is audio only it influences with the the kind of stuff that you're going to have in your story the things that you can actually convey to an audience some of those are good by the way so some of those old ones those old twilight zone episodes that would be on the radio they're neat if this situation gets bad enough can't jay or anyone else start striking the twitch streamers whoever they may be especially if they react or transform as badly as the sun jay doesn't want to do it and a little don't it feels really fucking lame that you have to dmca these people you don't want to do that it's the tools of the fucking oppressor that's what youtube does to us our whole lives and then it's like yeah well it's time to use that system to stop people stealing your stuff and you're like oh why can't they just not steal it and then you you see the arguments we went through for the past five hours oof rags opinion on deep dives plus elite deep dives plus elite is that something to do with deep rocolactic maybe I I don't have an opinion on it I guess I just don't really know what that's referring to I guess maybe I don't know it by its proper name or if that's like a game mode I'm not aware of I I'm yeah I don't I don't know yeah someone in chat said deep rocolactic deep dives apparently it is that maybe that's a mode I haven't played yet and I'm not familiar with it because I haven't played that game in that game in a little while I need to get back into it it's been on my to-do list for some time the peeps I normally play it with but there's a lot of games that we like to play together so sometimes you just it's just a while before you get back to some friggy play Kirby yet not yet but soon there's a it's so you've got it right it's available and stuff I did buy it yeah so uh I shall play it soonish the best way to describe it is it's just it's Mario 3D world for Kirby yeah that seems that's the impression I've gotten yep more or stay long I will rock and stone rags all right I don't know what that means rock and oh that's that's a that's a voice line from deep rock galactic I mean like rock and stone those dwarves man they love mining and they ended with love and engineer main all right today's animal of the day is the slippery d word rassy the slippery d word I don't know oh it's the slippery dick okay they called an animal a slippery dick okay that's the slippery dick I got an animal the slippery dick I mean the animal of the day is a new trio we learned like uh those little fish little fishing nice uh hi fringy is a nest your city ps you're a bird fringy no I'm not and I'm not a nest no all right let's stop that right there didn't you done and done yep um you can't take my piss it's mine and I own the rights some people do just take the piss man they just take it you don't want them to but they just get in there rush it's a dark world the one where you can't own your own piss oh I think so yeah that's it that's how I express myself the one thing I don't understand about copyright is once you put something on the internet or youtube haven't you shared it with a whole world technically so isn't it no longer yours once you share it or am I just dumb that I don't say it's being dumb but I can see why you're having this thought the idea is that you are allowed to share it on your terms basically so like you can share the video with the world but that doesn't mean that like to watch right that's the main thing to watch it I would argue that this is something that wasn't necessarily anticipated it's like everyone uploads and then everyone views the things that other people are uploading and then it's like well wait what if someone takes the ones that people have loaded and uploaded on their own channel and claim it to be theirs it's like whoa whoa whoa what you're pervading the whole system and it's like yeah just give it time people will do it no no he's right Hassan doesn't have a low effort reactions he has no reactions hmm all I'll say is he he does have times where he'll like talk for ages after pausing and stuff and that's great but for some reason everyone thinks that our only concern is that he improved the ratio and then they're like the ratio is fine and we're like no it happening at all is bad and you shouldn't do it but for some reason that doesn't quite come through why does this dude look like the Chinese ripoff of Chang's nephew irrelevant or Hassan because so I guess I'm at our relevant I guess so yeah also hi rags Fringy tell us tell us about a Simpsons episode just any Simpsons episode they didn't specify so that's an episode where Homer decides that he wants to go to clown college after seeing an ad for it and then he does do that and the reason why the clown college exists is because Krustin needs to repay his debts to the mob and it all culminates in a case of mistaken identity when they they believe that Homer is Krustin they try to kill him but then it all works out in the end when oh now I'm just thinking about one of the funny jokes in that we're like Krusty shows up again and then they're like oh I'm so sorry sir I almost made a terrible mistake goodbye Krusty as he points a gun at him wait they can't tell us you know if they can't tell which one of us we are and then they just start doing the weird flop thing to confuse them like switching places and then the mob's the mob guy's like I am confused to which Homer says huh good one Krusty and then they just put the gun straight at him because of that you will debuff the girl through the loop and together and then they do like all of these crazy things so he's like oh now without the loop it isn't nothing the speed holes joke I love that oh yeah yeah yeah that oh and then yeah he starts putting them in his own car and then that's like what are you doing there and he's like they're speed holes they make the car go faster it's like well maybe the old Flandersmobile could use a bang then he gets shot and it's like good thing I keep a bible close to my heart well it's a good thing today I'm wearing a piece of the the cross like like I think it was the true cross a piece of the true cross I think I'm gonna go back inside and then if they shoot at one more time and it hits the pickaxe it's like dammit I told you we should have brought more than three bullets just drive him three bullets take care of that plot hole huh take care of that plot hole how was it a plot hole oh no that's they take care of it like why wouldn't they shoot them more like because they only brought three bullets oh right because they didn't know they they only yeah they only brought three bullets you know it's all right just drive them well it's kind of funny as well because they shot like fucking 50 out of the other scene and then they're like we need to reload like let's go to big five or something they only got three bullets from the shop there's so many layers of jokes oh that when the car gets destroyed it just gets blown apart the salesman's like I really think you should take this car that episode is really oh and then there was that joke some funny names for cities Walla Walla Kiyokuk Kukamanga Seattle ah Seattle it's just like oh there's a lot of great jokes on that episode that that was all where he like stops with the oh yeah he's in front of the billboard and then one of those trucks that's used for carrying cars all of the cars just ramp up and he's like what does he say mine now or something and it just drives away with all of them god so many good memes was wondering if you guys had seen the deleted Joker scene from Batman yet with the way it was executed it got me thinking that it might be cool to have Joker in a Batman movie more as a sort of Hannibal Lecter than a main antagonist maybe I I am glad that they got rid of the that scene though not because I dislike it but because I don't think that it slots in I think it spells out too much yeah they can create plot issues in the whenever that takes place instead of Batman having figured out what's happening he's like told it by the Joker which isn't as satisfying I think when is the politics ox stocking starting guys never never you guys don't want to do a politics arc no we'll do it as soon as you guys have good media takes wow shots fired oh my god that with love you know what you're better for politics is the toxic cesspool of yeah that's why I don't want to go anywhere near it fuck that I just want to talk about shitty movies yeah it's you're very it's pretty rough I wouldn't mind talking about shitty movies but I don't think I don't think my audience would go with me if I if I if I switched over you know well what if you just play other people's videos about media would that work oh there's an idea this one just says Sitch hello currently 2200 maybe thousand words into an assassin's creed critique the first games modern day is awesome I never played a s3 one actually I think I did but I don't remember much of it anymore it's a cool game there you go PSA has not held up though it has not held up I played it recently the original it is not held up what's the main problems the clunky it's very clunky and also their their open world contains nothing in it well to be fair that's most open worlds nowadays anyway but like it's oh man it it feels like like a game that released 15 years ago because it is you know well it is 15 years old too it's weird playing a stealth game that there's no like stealth crouch or anything you're just kind of like wandering around people like hey look at that guy standing right yeah and they have these giant cities and there's nothing to actually do in them except find flags oh god the flags I remember the flags PSA ditch on ANS 87 you said Australia did not exist do you still hold this position uh we everyone knows that Australia is a mythical kingdom like where the elves and dwarves come from it's not a real country so yeah yeah it's pretty clear whenever you hear all these stories about Australia and the people there and the strange creatures who dwell in the woods I mean weird toilets that with no sinks in them obviously that's obviously yeah it's obviously bullshit it's obviously bullshit there's no way that's actually a real place and some people I don't know yeah I think that's fair um all right he's bringing a grease I didn't say anything no you said something yeah I suppose uh the only place thumbnail of the day is crash 4 which I think I might have seen that one yeah yeah we say that one I think that was a good one uh best piece of content on e-fap snort grunt mm-hmm heavy breathing grunt snort snorexie noises grunt snort sneeze I don't think anyone could be more poetic uh just what can you say have them take more pride in your work please I can't you say hello objectively the goat podcast the final fantasy music of the day is boss battle from final fantasy 3 I hope these are given rags nostalgia Hile Doggo hello I'll have to open that in a second boss the most music from final fantasy 3 now I think because I played the one on ds and I'm not sure if that was originally final because they have like different numbers and stuff whether they're Japanese or in the western release so it can get I guess complicated for some people but I just call them by what they were when I played them that's what I got what I got Finding Dory a movie that regressed Marlin's character and uses a heavy amount of luck to progress the plot sad to see the director of Wally sink this low oh well I mean Incredibles 2 did the director of Wally do Incredibles 2 or no I just like it's another Pixar sequel that seems to have the same issues because Bradford did well no Bradford didn't I enjoy it and then he did the Incredibles and then he did Ratatouille so talk about three slam dunks in a go and then he did Mission Impossible 4 which I remember liking but I haven't seen it a long time and then there's ghost protocol right yeah that's the one the one where he claims I remember liking it too yeah but it's been a long time so who knows it has since it came out then he made Tomorrowland which didn't do so well in Ghost Office yeah and then he did the Incredibles 2 and Incredibles 2 whenever you use content that is not your own whether you stole it is not a binary yes or no it's a sliding scale even when you go the extra mile you're still making content from someone else's work okay but that's not the yeah the definition of stole at that point I bet this dude didn't even invent English want to lose I mean yeah I think everybody agrees that there's a fuzzy line in lots of areas of it but the thing is we don't have to worry about that Hassan didn't make it difficult to understand that he's definitely stealing it that's it lazy twitch mubchula breathes hello ladies swallows snorts gentle shoes moistly men Vaubits also I follow brown table on Twitter and he sometimes retweets tics from spider-man Twitter which makes it worse please help me I'll just leave Twitter man there's nothing else for it get out of there get out of there TomSka spoke on how some of the suicide jokes in later ASDF came from his struggle with depression you could talk about how you feel you can talk about how you feel can leak into your work especially creative ones or speak on your experiences with that dude it is unfathomable to me like the he was just arguing as as though it's completely obvious that there's just nothing to be said about this video it's just like nothing nothing you can do is a incredible failure of talents and imagination it's his whole job he's supposed to be better at it than your average person yeah it's like movie critics who are constantly wrong about movies and they need to be shot out of a cannon into the sun future armor style and minecraft yes yes twitch seems to be a perfect cesspit of greed and sloth how are these people so stupid as to give these people attention and money so a big part of the second person we're going to watch is is that they argue that like twitch chat basically creates this industry by being so interested in it and wanting it and at that point it's like okay yes you don't you know it's still on you for providing it you don't have to do the unethical thing but at the same time it's like yeah twitch viewers or no man and then they're not well the worst part about twitch is that it actually was a quality site like 10 years ago 10 years ago didn't start in then they invented bathtubs no no long time ago when did it start so here here is the deep lore twitch used to be called just in tv and that was in like 2006 or something oh my oh wow yeah that's way on just in tv you could stream anything you wanted anything at all but the gaming stuff got big so they spun gaming off onto its own platform called twitch so just in tv was just chatting and then twitch was gaming but then just in tv basically died because no one cared about just chatting so then twitch became gaming and then for a while there was just gaming content it was great and then you got and then you got I think it was I think a split happened in 2012 when basically before that you had all these people who pretended to play video games so they could just talk and have parasocial relationships and then eventually twitch gave in will give you the just chatting side and there were like the the you know the the ethos of the time they were saying things like oh thank god I don't gotta play video games anymore gee it's like holy shit really and then basically now that just just chatting has grown it has dwarfed the video game side and completely destroyed the company just in tv that sounds like a porn site for people with small penises fair enough let's see 2007 it was just it was when just in tv came around and in 2014 that's when the the old switch happened okay yeah twitch is kind of a nightmare place right now you know if you're just doing gaming content it's chill you're not you're not gonna get popular because that doesn't happen on twitch anymore unless you're doing unless you have boobs or something but the people that you do get and the vibe that you can create feels like old twitch but that doesn't yeah which doesn't care about that anymore uh efap truly is the high end top shelf shit also high rags hello I mean if we've decided that top shelf high end means reacting at the highest amount then yeah according to our relevant we are top shelf nice we are top shelf I'm just saying we've got his approval too not bad if all the insects around the entire world suddenly coordinate a massive war against humanity do you think the insects would win no um hmm I mean haven't we got all the tools to wipe them the fuck out well yeah could we survive it's not those it's it's it's well I guess we're assuming that we could I guess it's a numbers thing though there are a lot of ants a lot a lot um a lot of ants well if we if we cleanse the entire planet of insects we would be fucked anyway right uh probably so I guess the thing is is think about how difficult it is how difficult it is for us when there's like a locus swarm or um and then to be fair we don't only have that but we also have like ants and under this scenario though the world powers would be like we need to that would be militarized yeah yeah yeah we would do all the things that we do uh yeah I think it's a matter of a bugs or they're even even together their capacity to do damage against uh us with all the things that we can do and that we have it would yeah like I don't think they'd win I don't know what the plan is to do some damage for sure I do some damage yeah the world would be changed forever but I could picture like our capacity for destruction have you ever have you ever read Leningen versus the ants new no it's about it's basically about a guy named Leningen I think he's some British student in one of the colonies and he is protecting against this massive like man-eating ant invasion and so they've got like dugout pits and gasoline and fires and stuff like that and if you imagine that on a global human scale it's like damn I'm I picture us making like really big compounds and they're just surrounded by like electrified traps that just grab up and destroy all of the insects to try and get in in some way yeah it's just yeah it's just insects ability to physically be able to do certain things it's just dwarfed by like how like how can insects get away from and plus they have it's they're bugs are really stupid so if without working together I guess we have to presume that there's some level of intelligence and strategy right only only enough for that they're working together yeah just that they're cooperating um well yeah like I imagine that we would be smarter than them for sure I guess I just don't know what it means for them to cooperate what does that mean it'd be difficult to eradicate them if not impossible and even if we did like I said I'm pretty sure that it's going to destroy the food chains around the world yeah it would definitely be a different world well they wouldn't have to like attack people they just have to eat all our food basically not that's true they're always for them to um they're always for them to fuck with us that well beyond just attack us openly but the thing is like if we start to say if they have the level of strategy behind them that's human and above brain-wise I just be like I guess I don't know what happens then well if they just spread out crops the only way that we could kill them would be through some level of I guess pesticide usage that uh that might be dangerous us we can't nuke them because we're just a new goal of the land that we need to grow food then also at least we can agree the the worst case scenario is we wipe each other out by wiping we wipe ourselves out by wiping them out but the thing is is that I don't know that we would wipe ourselves out in totality there'd still be some of us left well same for them right just be uh oh true probably yeah I don't think either of us has the capacity to really kill off the other yeah I guess worldwide insects that are all acting as cameras in this huge hive mind they might be able to find most humans still be tough maybe make the movie go on Roland Emmerich do it yeah Leningen versus the ants would make a great no no it's a short story so the movie ants would be the accepted ants to take over oh we could all just go to the mood but yep fuck this we're out that's the end of the movie and it like zooms right into some guy's pocket and there's an ant in there and it's like it'll be like what's that movie like Apollo 13 or something where they have the moon crabs or something right what was that yeah there you're right yeah I can't remember yeah it was it was Apollo something where it's like oh this is the last moon mission that they didn't tell you about ooh and there's spooky monsters in the moon but it's like it's just rock crabs neat animal I found today is the suicide ant not the most extreme in terms of looks but they have one heck of a defense mechanism oh look see the suicide ant apparently they can explode aggressively as explode load they don't explode passively as an ultimate active offense let's see so um defenses so yeah apparently they can blow themselves up all right what are they what are they like I'm assuming it's not so this is what it says it's defensive behavior includes self-destruction by uh auto-thesis self-destruction by auto-thesis two oversized poison-filled mand mandibular glands mandibular glands run the entire length of the ant's body when combat takes a turn for the worse that worker ant violently contracts it's on abdominal muscles to rupture it's gaster at the uh intersegmental fold which also bursts the mandibular glands thereby spraying a sticky secretion in all directions from the anterior region of its head the glue which also has corrosive properties and functions as a chemical irritant can entangle and immobilize all nearby victims this sounds like a video game so great I was literally just thinking vainlings yeah that really sounds like mechanics to understand about an enemy in a video game if they roll to yeah if they want to go faster so they roll it would it would well it's like the enemy that you fight and then it starts going beep beep it's like the indication you got to get away from like it's begun channeling it's getting contracting its muscles rod they get to go to ant heaven with their 72 queens all to themselves s-class his best class dev his fat go team thank you that sounds about right yeah it's like they do the situation was thanking them for the dev comment actually guys I think I should take off it is it is near time to sleep no problem thank you so much for joining us do you want to do you want to tell chat where to find you and what you're up to all right you want to find me I have a channel called short fat otaku where I do politics stuff I have a second channel that's called game boomers where I do gaming stuff both are good either or I'll come back next week if you want for the second part because that actually sounds interesting hell yeah so like that yes to entice or terrify you our relevance video was 40 minutes denim's is an hour and I think 40 minutes an hour and 40 minutes hour and 20 or hour and 40 I can't remember but it's long she says a lot of stupid fucking do it oh god all right hope you post it thanks thanks for having me on I'll see you next week see you dude thanks for coming dude hello bye bye see you later your best impression of Gandalf bumping his head oh hope it's great remember when they called you a bunch of neo-nazi kill streamers because Sargon of a cat was on for two out of the several thousand hours of streams to be fair it's enough that's that's the taint man the spoilers all right that's in part three we're gonna get there that was was that my fault uh uh I'm pretty sure Sargon's fault it's not your fault oh okay Sargon's existence means that we're kill streamers that is true dude if you didn't know what the kill stream was if someone just out of context says are you a kill streamer you'd be like the fucking do I kill what what uh people are still in denial at Hassan away from chair gang so yeah people still don't really believe that it matters at all nor does he really do it it's uh it's it's just they'll get there are you gonna believe Hassan or your lying eyes and lying ears you can hear that he leaves the seat you can hear the silence that could be anyone's chair you don't know if that's Hassan's I imagine the silence would be the most pleasant thing about a Hassan stream now was it an awful attack us by re-uploading our vids on twitch no entire colonies twitch streaming those bastards well I guess I need to evolve not sure well that's in reference to but yes on the assassin's creed topic I thought that each game was supposed to close in on modern times where Desmond would be the assassin you play but they backed off and decided to off him which is why I stopped that's why you stopped oh I was the less Desmond I saw the happier I got yeah I got nothing for this so look up Hassan became Halo streamer and how long the video is one second do I was 18 seconds okay what I want to look at what this is it's getting us in trouble oh it's the um I don't know if you guys ever saw it was a clip from Halo infinite gameplay I guess a streamer left their um their like they left their stream and and the game was still going and it just shows the auto aim because people are walking by them and then the the oh no oh yeah and it dragged the the reticle drags across the some fuck auto aim I hate it I hate it so much that urethra mussel sounds like a superpower yep especially if it speed like acid and stuff you guys are not even reacting shake my head oh we did a whole bunch of react in tonight it was wonderful Sitch but no Adam Heresy he was invited but apparently hates freeing you I know I tried guys I tried did you really no I actually didn't try a son brain small no room for a lot woods stop yeah pretty much does this mean we're getting some e-fap in our Sitch and Adam show tomorrow or is that just wishful thinking oh I guess I asked I wouldn't be able to make it um I tried but I can I think I should be able to make time for you next sunday if you want I think we're debating to someone next sunday so maybe next next sunday yeah next next sunday let's let's go okay just ask Short Fettotaku about eating on stream gonna assume he's okay with it how do you think he got to be fat I don't know you're gonna say how do you got to be short yeah about it that's how he got to be short and fat the otaku thing is irrelevant I stayed at a place with several toilets next to each other it was jail yeah they uh probably have that kind of setup has anyone kept a counter of how many times Hassan has used the word literally to emphasize his bad takes dude that's just a twitch culture thing again they all constantly say literally I'm not sure who's to blame but that word it's just um it's like a it's like a filler word just exists to be said doesn't really add anything to anything oh boy another Nazi killstream jay can be accused of being on oh yeah they'll probably say jay was on this one too jay was on all of them rags when you said I don't care if you're a nice person during the Kenobi stream did that not sound like you were joking your tone didn't indicate it oh that did not sound like no the yeah I legitimately don't remember the context that I said that uh I'm trying to remember don't care if you're a nice person you should yeah I just can't remember saying that or what the context was around it or what I what I said what I said it to or who I said it to or what it was about you're gonna say not caring if someone is nice might be relevant it's gonna depend on the context I guess I can't remember yeah because you can act nice like you could say like Christians do that all the time when they're like preaching to you they're very condescending and they're very like they act kindly and they say very they say things in a nice way but what they're saying is incredibly like offensive or really demeaning and dehumanizing and stuff like that so it depends on how you actually mean it and it depends what we're talking about like a like Zach Snyder is probably a really nice person but I don't care when it comes to him being a filmmaker you know his movies are terrible a lot of that stuff I would help you out if I remember but I can't quite yeah I just I just can't remember have you two seen the boys are back in town to kill you and the sequel kiss me kill me the excellent modern horror especially the second one the first one is mostly context I have no idea what any of that is I'm sorry any of you guys know what that is? no I've never heard of it bulky mmm uh Foo Fighters drummer Taylor Hawkins passed away yeah I heard about that unfortunate um have you seen the boys diabolical it's an anthology series but only the last two short films are good the rest have same punch line Justin Roylands actually makes me look away from the screen hmm no I haven't actually heard of that I haven't heard of that I'm not familiar with that yeah I don't know what that is might have a look though I'd be curious what format that is the tv show is it? anthology tv show yeah I've never heard of this okay well have you considered that maybe the second toilet is the bathtub oh yeah very for very small people it's a midget bathtub getting water to a room is half uh getting water to a room is half half way easy drainage slash sewer is way harder yeah all that it's it's not just getting water in it's where does the water go how does it drain how does it link up with the sewer system all that water that comes in and out of your house it's got to come from and go somewhere there's a reason you don't have to deal with it all the time we have a bucket in our bedroom ah oh that's nice to stand on just be higher my house has a bedroom that has two sinks and two baths but in that bathroom there is a door that leads to a smaller room with just one toilet yeah you don't typically see that in britain from my experience like a you have en suites but you don't typically have a bathroom that then has another room attached to that that leads to a a room that's just a toilet uh a bit strange but you know I saw we saw pictures of that and it's interesting is that a spacing thing though I don't know I I'm not sure if that's something that they want or if that's something they end up doing just because that's the way that the house worked out or something I don't know Fringy proved Australia isn't real with toilets sure Fringy's poop closet I love EFAP's expanding law not a poop closet so in Europe we have a poop room and a shower room it's disgusting to shit in the same room you take a shower I don't understand the logic there at all I mean you don't shit in your shower preferably not no I hope not but um yeah you know just uh you'll be all right as I was gonna say say in Europe it's just like plenty of Europe has that uh set up Fringy check twitter you're not crazy these gentlemen are just uncultured well I mean we've already gone through those references I suppose don't worry I accept that you have a culture and that's fine it's just the wrong one but Fringy what if two people want slash need to shower at the same time but there's only one shower are you going to argue that there should be two bathrooms with one shower each no yeah Fringy that's not that's not comparable all right then what if someone takes a shower as you are finishing your poop and you have to wait 20 minutes to wash your hands that's quite a lot wash them on the toilet right you can just flush the toilet get rid of your poop yeah clean now you flushed all the poo's gone it's the water's fine you can have a yeah have a nice refreshing beverage while you're waiting lovely if I walk into someone's bathroom and there's two toilets that's some kind of flax one of those toilets is getting an upper decker screw your flax oh my god wow imagine imagine having someone over who did that and you have a wonderful evening things go well then they head off at the end of the night and then you walk into your bathroom and see that they've just dropped this massive odder right on the top of your toilet that's terrible that's the the ultimate flax the ultimate sigma right there that is the ultimate flax I am going to shit in my on my host's toilet oh wow so from docked bar no no upper decker's when you shit in the tank so it's hidden oh is it okay I thought it was when you shat on the lid oh no no it's in the tank so they they they walk in like oh it smells terrible and they flush oh no it doesn't go away it doesn't go away oh my god that's awful but eventually you oh yeah man to get that out hey yeah that's a big problem uh so it's no good from dr martin luther pepe ringy poohan's frogolt ringy poohan's frogolt ringy poohan's frogolt wise words from dr martin luther pepe in australia if you get poop on your hands you will be stuck in the bathroom you must use the emergency help needed button to get an emergency service to come and let you out emergency help located in every bathroom well the dude just comes and opens the door for you and he has a little wet wipe and he's got he's he's dressed head to toe in like full fire firefighter year as bat suit he's got a yeah he's got the oxygen tank around his back and a mask cooked up you step forward to get the wet wipe and he goes huh frigging was struggling to win the poop debate because the mi6 didn't give him the law behind australia's bathroom the only cynical explanation well you know the mi6 they have the same restrictions a lot of us to forget information out quickly you go updates downloads all that shit molla we need to get through these quickly proceeds to have an hour long tangent about the structure of bathrooms did i oh yeah well i guess that was under the assumption that we're going to try and do two in one stream but it never that was naive of us to ever think that that was gonna happen every time we say that it never happens true we're always like yeah we can cover both videos today and then six hours later oh they could finish 12 i saw a loan toilet in the uk a guy stole the sink it's my sink now he stole everything but the kitchen sink oh no no no no no the opposite in greece you have to throw the toilet paper in the trash can you aren't allowed to flush it with your poop thank god i ate all this wait oh that but but why is that a rule but it'll but it'll smell right smell the same thing in Mexico like a lot of the the plumbing is not good like it wasn't designed to handle paper or something oh right well but uh we there are problems with that where i live every once in a while if people flush too many um like wet wipe type yeah like it'll clog um we're not really supposed to technically flush any of the wet wipes but well the wet wipes and stuff here they will say if they're they generally they'll say that they're flushable on the packages they say i don't know every plumber i've talked to is like they say that but well all this is making me realize how much we take for granted that there is that you can just like make the poo go away like you press a button you can just put it it's removed from your life you never have civilization is on the poo goes away kind of yeah it's an incredibly useful thing that we have where it's just like i need water i have water now i just turned a little thing and i have this life sustaining force and i yeah the fact that water comes out of the wall it's not just water the fact that pure purified drinking water pure drinking comes out of the wall for so cheap it might as well be free and it's just always available to you pretty cool when it's not available it is bizarre and scary it is yeah because it is so used to us that the water is just available when for a while yeah i just don't have infinite pure drinking water whenever i want you mean i have to actually go to like how did they do it before was there like a couple of the taps around town this is where the water comes out yeah like aqueducts and stuff would carry it into particular places in town and you'd go and you'd send your kid off or whatever it was a big old jug and you'd bring it back which was by the way amazing that if you lived in it yeah that was pretty bad stuff to have it that was better than when you just had to go to the fucking lake or something and just get the water out it was all filled with shit like it's all sorts of bugs and everything it's not healthy for you and this is and even then there was a time when we didn't have buckets we had no buckets in which to collect water you had to just go and drink it honestly the i think i've done because those of you don't know i'm like an eagle scout i did search and rescue and lost stuff it's been a lot of time camping in the woods and stuff like that it's it was way easier to get like because so i have gone in many many outhouses and red roof ends as we as we called them and stuff like that it's not that bad it's the the availability of toilet paper if i had to choose between having indoor facilities and readily accessible like toilet paper to wipe with i think i might even go with toilet paper because i'm used to just being able to go into essentially a nice but essential a hole in the ground where you just poo and it goes down below and it's like a compost or sort of thing but i think it's it's not what you're used to and what you know you can live with i think that used to be someone's job to just like get that poop and get rid of it get that poo you turn like we we wash the poo away with purified drinking water that's what we use to wash the poo without houses how did they how did they get rid of the the poo it to i guess you don't have to or you very rarely don't know how it works without house they just dig a really big hole and then they go into it's field and they move the house isn't how it works that was part of the reason why like um in the middle middle ages right people just tossed their shit out to the street like neat the sanitation was so bad i don't know we'd have to have shad tell us if that's a thing they really did or if that's one of those overblown things all of australia is crazy not just fringy we know portions are definitely crazy they've got like t-rexes and stuff over there you know green notes green man bad also high rags hello green bird bad a square movie poopa poopa fring versus the pipe syndicate the pipe syndicate poopa fringy fringy no one is bullying you you're imagining things also high rags hi uh today on the efab twitch arc fringy gets bullied on behalf of all of australia and they're backwards upside down and sanitary ways upside down only from a point of view all right there is no up or down in space it's just every which direction tell me something to say yeah what do you mean you're the one dealing in absolutes like up and down from my point of view year upside down yeah nobody believes obi what is right when he said that okay only assist deals in absolutes it's just funny because it's an oxymoron imagine i saw like a 10 minute long video trying to explain that line saying that it really i thought both why only one was correct when he said the absolute thing i've seen a lot of people say that um it's supposed to represent the flaws of the jedi jedi yeah which like i find much more appealing than no actually he's right because and then just garbage trying to remember their argument i wish i could because they were saying that he didn't mean he used like a different way of meaning the word absolute that's kind of like archaic or something i don't know well um one of the thing people say is that he says deals in absolutes okay oh okay i understand that yeah maybe imagine using a toilet when you can just go in a sandwich bag desperate times as they say well they say and that's not desperate that's just good time that's a luxury yeah i mean it makes sense you just go you just zip it up and throw it away i still love you fringy even though not having a sink with your toilet is weird also hi fringy uh hi in elden ring there are mimic toilets miazaki has gone too far mimic toilet sounds like a horrific final fantasy villain mimic toilets kate bishop in hawkeye episode three well at least you don't have to listen to imagine dragons funny since hailey steinfeld also voices via an arcane was that a line and i don't see why they would lie so yeah probably um that is very amusing all things considered i guess there's no reason to read into that beyond just like say for example they actually met them and then they referenced that they'd probably say it with like a smile and just be like probably it was just a line in a show that she had to do welcome to this e-fap stream discussing the ethics morals and behavior of twitch streamers and reaction content also 30 minute tangent about the definition of half baths also also australia doesn't exist well well you never quite know what you'll end up with in the year 2044 the renowned genetic scientist rag is makes a breakthrough in genetic dilation that led our most beloved pastime sport trick shot pissing it's a muscle like all the rest exploit it for a competitive gain and what a future you got ahead of you does fringy have his mouse and keyboard next to his monitors or does he have to go to the next room to use them that's not a good comparison all right I'm now a keyboarder right here and my keyboard right here too four doors and four wheels stand at the edge of a cliff nice because it's referencing a whole bunch of things that is more are you familiar with the possibility that this famous place known as england could be more than likely your city you know i've been told this a couple times i'm trying to get an impression uh finished mr robot and episode 70 rag ralph sorry is a big dumb now i can catch up to the current e-fap hello future me in 2023 ralph the movemaker presumably ralph baxi that's what's gotta be one of those two ralph um yeah i i am very out of the loop on mr robot i'm afraid uh check out the render on patreon making some free mcu essays has a picture of data with a pipe all right also what is the best and worst game you've played uh don't know what the worst game is i don't uh worst game um that is a good question um fallout 76 might have been up there oh yeah because that game was so bad it was fascinating so the one that would automatically win was me trying to boot up mk uh was it 11 or 10 bringing the one that didn't even work on launch uh which one sorry the more combat game that you could only like go to the menu 10 10 like didn't work 11 was better but even 11 had it was like 30 fps in the menus go at 30 fps when you're doing like your crazy super duper moves and the fatalities i'm pretty sure it's still there but if you go watch uh tulvis gets initial impressions of mkx it's funny as fuck because he's just like here's the menu now let's try clicking something and it just like freezes and he's like well and then it's for best uh it was default to uh metroids you've metroid metroid prime there's some of the best yeah lots of games you can pick for best in selma and uh doxels to wait i won't specify which of the two categories that one falls into yeah anyone anyone want any more answers on that we'll show you carry on i think uh i i give my answer for worst best that's probably like soma or something like that it's easier for me to say worst i think i really like subnautica but supposedly that's a contentious for best or worst for best i don't want to say like the best but one of my top i mean yeah it's really lots of good things about it it's great oh there you go all righty then um long man bad i don't read books yeah books are of the long you don't want to be touching them um a book i recommend is forged by fire i do not know that one the naming of a weapon what i haven't heard of it either the naming of a weapon can strike fear so it's no surprise that the chaos blade of the harbinger moon sounds intimidating however one should absolutely fear a weapon called the throngler you don't want to be throngler yeah just just picture being throngled that would suck that probably wouldn't be great it doesn't sound like something that's amusing no uh we also need filamentos enemies so unlike us they're an alien race in the whole of fame too yeah yeah that needs to be in the whole of fame you know about that one stitch so um filamento compares the tomorrow war with the vietnam war and he says that the creatures in the tomorrow war are so unlike us that they're practically well he said i can't remember which one he's talking about wait a minute he's talking about the vietnamese or is like aliens he basically says the people he's so unlike us they're aliens oh no just returned from the shower to the stream first thing i hear no context given it's those fucking cripples man rags classic have you seen michelin web avocado bathroom no i have not i've seen most of their sketches so i think i would have seen it yeah can't remember which one it is though i want to hear more from rags about the plumber's code do they still partake in honor killings i'm fascinated i remember talking about the honor killings of the plumber's code this is what happened when jenny said they saw an 11 hour mark and thought she was getting roasted for the whole 11 hours yeah well it's just easier to assume reality fuck finding out about stuff no point wings quote of the day i have an army of people that want to see me fail i think yeah that's probably true actually you know it's this sucks for wigs i guess a bonus quote i'm the most cyber bullied person on earth he's probably right but it's still hilarious might that might also be true yeah probably true i mean maybe maybe maybe not because it depends on your quantifier right like anybody who gets like i'm trying to think of you know like sitting when the twitter mob goes after somebody but like the biggest oh yeah like that that uh that person with the dog right like she uh oh yeah she uh got yeah and then i guess um what was that the one who made that like fat people video back in that was years ago oh nicole arbor that was it yeah yeah yeah she got uh she got massively she was a big enemy of the internet for a while there i don't know it feels like it's it feels like it would be a pretty competitive category because it'd be hard to quantify yeah it would do you remember the the first ever cancelled white woman oh there was that woman who did the tweet and then she went yeah just in saco being cancelled yeah yep she said uh i'm going to africa hope i don't get aids just kidding i'm white and then when she got off the plane she realized her life was over yeah pretty much sad sure he raped me but he left at twenty dollars so it's okay i just profited financially from it that's right i mean are you retracting consent or oh god the arguments so bad uh why is fat we've joined censored in youtube chat i don't know you should be able to say fat we've i think youtube chat i think it it actually censors different people differently because i've had some people say they can't type in certain words and then other people can't hmm maybe you get like strikes on your own account or something for yeah like a shadow band kind of thing it's a hidden mechanic it's like a video game yay there you go uh new zealand exists and we are like a resident evil for dynamically just difficulty that's how youtube is the more slurs you use the more creative you have to be to get past them there you go new zealand exists and we are here hello hello new zealand hello hey don't zeland is my city are you gonna try jack's films game be funny now i didn't intend to uh i didn't even know you'd made a game but good for him i suppose lol cow milkman used to bring the lol cow milk twice a day to the kitchen door nowadays his son the modern-day lol cow milkman brings the lol cow milk straight into your face on twitch eight to ten hours daily modernity uh choices might not be on a spectrum but this guy sure is oh i'm convinced that hasan is a rogue self-learning ai like tei ai that got corrupted by the internet and escaped microsoft tei was a blessing i believe that to be true calcium for the long man thank you howdy mohler fringy and guests also hi rags hello i'm just reminiscing about tei's tweets oh yes very amusing glad to catch this efeb live lovey lads looking forward to the new gadelp oh yes not long now uh our relevant should just paint his walls and door green yeah move up style do it yeah the handle and everything and then just stand in front of it and don't like use it as a green screen don't feel insane fringy i live in texas and my master bathroom has a separate cubicle toilet with a door that is in the bathroom oh was that james no that was tempest inferno there's a couple people that have that apparently a bunch of weirdos all right toilet vanity area with basin and mirror bathroom with bath and shower who puts the basin in the bathroom civilized people have a separate area well well caused the ultimate debate i'm sure this will spread through the internet my head canon is in the past a book didn't let him retract his consent e-fap on my wedding day i'll be sure and catch this one later thanks for all the laughs and insight don bless you mad lads oh glad you're enjoying uh e-fap on your wedding day congratulations yeah i assume he means he'll catch us later because he's busy getting married which you know have fun be merry have all of the things uh these are people that legitimately believe that you can't be forgiven or redeemed so they do everything in their power to be the victim i i'm confused i'm pretty sure they would be okay with like this is what i mean it's weird he's like there's no way out once you've done the act you can't do anything about it it's too late you have to have a time machine it's why is that your opinion very strange my dude fuck today's super chats we need to see the set the other videos and you're not going to catch up with them anyways wow and look at us wait we're already catching up i'm sure of it i'm feeling it um dollar meat store that's a risk with no reward that is a risk with no reward give yourself a reach around like mr fantastic yeah why not i mean if you have the power what was that in reference to i don't know i i think they just wanted to express that which you know what good on them yeah our relevant needs to touch grace true uh you said this was one of three people you're covering with our relevant being the best one why do you choose to suffer also high rags and high ringy hello i'm free he's just grabbing a coffee i think so he would say hi and uh yes our relevant is the best of the three you've not even begun to suffer chat you've not even begun about the background so if we say that people should absolutely not source their desktop that's a problem that creates an easily abusable loophole so this is actually something i i meant to bring up i guess i didn't if somebody has a desktop that's a gorgeous piece of artwork that they just ripped off like devian or whatever website against the will of the creator didn't credit them and didn't pay when it was a charged thing they just found a way to like grab it that's not like you know and you see it every once in a while in their stream not like your satan i would just be like why not source it this is a nice thing to do pop it in some description be like this is the the screen you see a lot this is from this creator it's over here i mean i guess i would say you're kind of a dick for not paying for it if that's the only way you're supposed to acquire it but um yeah you know i mean the idea that some people can get like indignant and insulted when someone tells them maybe you should give this person credit because you're taking their stuff and they're like waters i cannot both fuck you for telling me that i should do i can't jesus christ it's like a how how to tell everyone you're a bad person fucking glitchless any percent speed run fucking hell yeah like there are there are degrees when it comes to morality this is not a enormous condemnation but the second honestly it's less important that you did it it was more important how you reacted when you found out and uh it wasn't good yeah that was a thing it was his reaction that like spread this if not that he did in the first place uh kick the smooth brain we can't we can't kick people in the video i mean i guess we could but no i was about to say fringy's a host we can't kick him but that would that's me and why i wouldn't say that it was more of the concept of the joke that not the actual like joke itself he was like oh you just did that you didn't all and then we we give him a nudge like if we you know like how when you're with your your mates like fringy fringy's friends he's from he calls him his mates when he's with his mates and they sort of just like and they nudge each other with their elbows just a little bit and they make that noise ah yeah and that's that's like what we're doing dude if fringy retracts consent for you to make that joke you'll screwed that was in my hands now he's like oh i am so close to retracting my consent with you don't make me retract my consent his self-awareness level has reached the negatives yeah kind of all the people fucking that we will cover none of them have any self-awareness when will his son make the sequel to chair in a room who knows let's keep an eye um i like creative powers so i'll send you powers i've seen in media and you choose which you want and i'll send in next chat so you got moody blues yes after the band it possesses it possesses the ability to imitate the form of individuals and reenact past events with precision that's just the jojo stand i have no idea so it's you can like recreate events in history as like an in in world video sort of thing is that kind of like what it is remember like this yeah the stand just it like it like can recreate someone's life or something i don't remember and it's called you know it sounds neat yeah why are they bringing this in well so they said you got to choose between that one and this one main main know me allows the user to turn into a physical double of anyone they have touched do you want that power or the one where you can reenact past events with precision by imitating things probably reenact past events i feel like the amount of good you can do by reenacting past events with precision is that based on what you know or is that based on some other something you observe no you don't have to have observed it for it to work dude at that point that's an incredible power the i know you could be like well you can do a lot with impersonate someone too right and it's like no i'm talking like super altruistic stuff you can do by creating precise past event visions of things well it's only a single person yeah but what if you choose reacting what a single person is doing basically okay but maybe i would need an example of what exactly this power does it's it's very complicated yeah it was i was gonna say yeah i had person at the president and just see what they're doing right now well that would be weird mr president what are you doing streaming on twitch or whatever but you're in my office which one of you is the real president though i guess it's like basically it's like you control a replay so you can kind of like skip around to see what they were doing at that point you could you could have access to a lot of information you know mm-hmm what was the other option that to transform into someone yeah like a physical double of them would i have their physical attributes could i just progressively change into a new person with a younger healthier body and live forever forever because if that's on the table you're just immortal yeah yeah i don't know i could yeah be able to live forever with how they're described in the super child probably go with the reenacting thing and then try to find the best way i can to use that to benefit things plus of information you can discover presumably if it's how i understand it um the other one of course there are lots of benefits to it as well mm your honor i'm just built different yeah you can try do what happens uh base dev it's fair enough not sure exactly what he said to get that but yes uh what they are assuming is that they will have successfully transformed the content that's the issue they can't see themselves purposely not transforming it does that make sense i yeah i think that's 100% no i i think that's what he thinks it's just the yeah that's what it says the they are assuming that about themselves when they can't even conceive the the the thing that they're stealing it but i guess they just don't know what it means to actually transform shit i don't know which is weird because it's something you should should just get accustomed to hello massives why does hasan think popularity is a food group why popularity is a food group what am i missing why am i i misunderstand what's happening rags help oh i can't help you no popularity is a food group i mean maybe for twitch streamers it's like popularity clout like those are their uh their food groups i'm trying maybe like feed off clout is that like the idea or that bump perhaps perhaps our relevant source uh uh no yeah there's a couple things where he just said no uh a sane source you want me to i'm gonna go get nuggies b lb yeah a little bit a little bit irrelevant to the stream reminder that no argument against pronouncing gif gif that holds up okay bye gonna going scuba diving shooting lasers and having some gin with my nasa friends that person is objectively friend nasa oh nasa sorry fucking out did you do that purpose was that a meme no no that was accidental i don't know why i pronounced it that way maybe he's going to nasa let's go um as for the gif gif thing i've i've heard friends debate that for a long time yeah i have no idea at this point i just call it a gif yeah anyone who calls it gif is no friend of mine true and based true i like a freest point of view is like yeah it doesn't seem to be a correct answer on that one but they're just like fuck anybody who says gif no there's an answer now if you call a png a png that's another thing rocket or a gaypeg a jpeg that's a yeah seriously i'm like having flashbacks they had a they had a fight for like hours on a teamspeak call about how you're supposed to do it and that it just leaves down a rabbit hole of discovering that language is very complicated yeah did you say it sounds stupid gif is a peanut butter period you periods j axie is toxically fair that's the best way you can try and criticize j it's like you are very nicely evil the animal of the day is the super glide oh no sorry sugar glider oh yeah i think i know what that is hold on it's a little squirrel thing oh yeah look at him he's like look at me i'm batman we as he flies around i'm possum man yeah look at him look at this little critter he's just hanging out in the forest flying about he's got a nice life he just sits in the forest eating sugar i guess and gliding about naturally for sugar look at him he's just he's got it all worked out he eats sugar and flies it's a simple life but a fulfilling life true true yeah frosk these kind of people they can go frosk themselves thank you gents for quality content high rags oh i didn't know sugar gliders are australian hey oh no they seem cute and friendly and they don't even have fangs or massive claws or poisonous stinger or they don't explode now that i think about it i'm sure that i've seen them before i don't know why i because they look so much like the possums we got here uh well it is because it is a nocturnal gliding possum that would probably explain it belonging to the marsupial infraclass see wikipedia so much valuable information here you can learn about them and how they glide around and then you have the oh i something i will say i really like those old like 19th century illustrations that a lot of animals got you know what ones i'm talking about mm-hmm like uh because the ones that are just really wrong or well i mean like that one it's really cool oh yeah i know oh yeah yeah those are neat yeah that was oh yeah john ghoul i'm pretty sure he did a lot i'm pretty sure that yeah because he did the platypus one that's the one yeah this uh this awesome it's so cool how that you just have these artistic renderings of all these uh critters he did a whole bunch of them what a fun job to just draw these these little critters hanging about e now we just got pictures because we're boring no pictures can be cool uh hi wags hello the theory on gameplay betting transformative enough or not had not been tested in court it's a looming threat on game streaming mm-hmm yeah as far as i know that's not surprising in be the first game company to say just like i might have a blanket total ban on anyone being able to stream your content or use it in any way ooh be the first company to do it you will make a lot of money try to do that theirs was they had this weird thing going um and i think a lot of you had they had like some partner fucking program or something like that and it was like it was it was weird they had a lot of weird rules around theirs i don't know if it's still is a thing i'm sure i have to look into it they i know they did just weird things uh you should have nick rickita on when discussing these vague legal distinctions also because it would be hilarious um i mean if it is a good suit i wouldn't mind that yeah yeah sure you bet absolutely uh is your playthrough of little hope transfer oh wait we did read that one out dreamers like her son are glorified overpaid watch later playlists pretty much when they're doing that um so can we never have a full non commentary playthrough of until dawn where you save everyone or kill everyone i mean it's a bit it's a bit a bit i don't know man like it's saucy yeah because that game is so narrative focused that like a lot of the work that they've done to give you a particular experience is getting duplicated over and then money is going to the person who just uploaded their playthrough there seems to be problems there um i'm not home essential one last thing someone made a video called spider-man no way home a bad masterpiece have you seen it i thought it was kind of bad also high rags uh i have not seen it hello though uh with a man with a name like that we might agree with it or we might not depends on what his points are yeah i can see myself agree with that theoretically i don't know well i haven't seen it did you guys like it yes so there's lots of problems it's a big old complicated mumbo it's very simple they got caught doing something wrong and rather than embarrassingly apologize these people doubled down like children uh yeah desperately trying to grab at any and all arguments that may kind of sort of look like it could help that's about it have you seen the commercial for jeremy's razors it's objectively the best commercial ever why have you not subscribed oh and high rags hello well uh no i have no idea any of you guys hit of the commercial for jeremy's razors no i do not know about for me's razors so there's some razors thing people complain about was like woke or something is that they're talking to let no like recently oh no i have no clue i don't shave oh no this is it they made ant this anti woke razors supposedly anti what does it mean for razors to be anti work i couldn't tell you what does that mean all right daily wire ceo discusses new razor company as alternative to woke harry's razors couldn't maybe it's yeah i don't know i mean then again if we were to ask like with when the gelet thing came out how could you make woke razors is like well basically saying that dads are bad and dating is never a thing you should do and don't be interested in women that's a good start so i don't know if it was weird to me right that you saw a gelet ad you didn't like and then you're gonna do like what a brand of specifically razors that are anti woke no so what maybe it's a marketing thing uh they like hey maybe there's a market for people who don't want to you know do that thing so i'll give the right messaging with my razors and regardless of the razors people will give me money i mean i guess it's just razors like i don't know i'm not i don't know yeah maybe it's yeah the daily wire which is a ben Shapiro's outlet apparently they had a company called harry's razors was advertised on their website for a long time and then they cut ties over the fact that the daily wire believes in the concept of biological sex oh no not that so in response to this the daily wire is like well we're gonna start our own razor company oh what a bizarre thing to cut ties with a company for you believe in biological sex yeah that's i remember when that was a thing that we all just like that would for granted yeah i remember when that was like the basis of human reproduction and evolution but maybe it's a prior press or something i don't know this one just says keep going i assume they mean about covering people yeah you already got like five hours of jam packed with memes uh rip taylor hawkins drummer for the foo fighters died by unknown causes at 50 gone too soon yeah that is too soon geez yeah uh read super chats what else are you gonna do die thank you hassan maybe the super chat was the friends we made along the way i think so i think that's it uh super chats of the hippos play the vids hippos the hippos are fine right as long as they don't kill you they looked like they're having fun little isn't that like the main thing they do though i mean if we leave them alone what's the main thing they do they kill other i heard hungry hungry hippos hippos are like the horsemen of gluttony or something i don't know probably if tetris is objectively perfect and i build a tetris game mode in halo forge does that now make the halo tetris objectively perfect kappa i don't know i don't know bring do you have the answer since maybe but i'm not sure i have no idea not prepared to answer these fighting questions on game design right now we're gonna not really my brain is frazzled a little bit our science team we'll have to take care of that we will get it to them what the efab science division yeah are you guys going to watch the yellowstone verse the yellowstone verse is that like a cinematic universe featuring like volcanoes state park cinematic universe hey bear cinematic universe the yogi will not that did just be the hannah but uh the bearer cinematic universe right which i think they wanted to do but maybe that's not we've got to go collect the infinity baskets uh finale season six of community ended in style hashtag and a movie i can't remember the last episode now do you think i can't know i don't remember a lot of that season the last season was the one with spawn in it right yeah uh well keith was in it yeah keith yeah keith did keith david oh he voices spawn that's right yeah in the cartoon yeah uh you can be an awful evil angry person and still be right about things a perfect example as if the famous german dictator said two plus two equals four you'd be right people you hate can be correct this is just Angela Merkel oh yeah gotcha gotcha gotcha i i thought i thought you meant third rike or fourth rike sorry that sounds like something a killstream nazi would say oh my goodness gracious i do not agree with hitler on all of his friends uh thoughts on the dnd combat wheelchair convert controversy what is there i've seen i've seen like models for the dnd combat wheelchairs if you were in a if you want to run a game where you have a combat wheelchair go for it man sure that's the joy of dnd you can do whatever you want i if i'm not going to do it myself but if you want to do that man go for it enjoy your dnd combat wheelchairs if i it's it's not going to be in any game that i run it is silly but that option is there for you if you would like to explore it uh this stream is a weird way to say jay is the new host jay jay's not even here i don't know what you mean um i survived efab 93 shirts when yeah i've been sometimes since then hasn't it yeah over a year uh hello there longlings i was wondering of course the nolan trilogy is just perfect every one of them and i know you all agree but hypothetically when you think that you guys would talk about it i love you guys the nolan trilogy i mean at some point is there any reason to talk about it at this particular point in time or in the near future i wouldn't know of any particular reason other than it just being some films that we can talk about sometime and maybe we'll cover them at some point i do not know you know what is the objectively best batman movie right uh batman and robin no lego batman i've heard that's very good i mean like i remember really enjoying like a batman i need to rewatch it sure if you haven't seen it you should check it out it's very funny i've heard good things very cool animation as all the lego movies basically have uh can you make a gadelb of you getting saying getting angry is a bad look while sounding very angry i think um i guess i guess so but i'm afraid the current gadelb is kind of locked in at this point what's your opinion on multi-point locking mechanisms what what is a multi-point what is that they sound kind of neat i guess uh yeah gonna be honest i don't really know what a multi-point locking mechanism is um if one if a single point locking mechanism is good then i imagine that a multi-point locking mechanism is even better perhaps exponentially but i'm not certain the um yeah i just don't know the engineering behind it honestly maybe maybe it just adds unnecessary moving components that will hurt its you know longevity make it you know make it break make it more prone to failure but i'm not sure it's like you know how like a normal lock it's just there's the one lock where the physical lock is on the door the the multi-point lock is you lock it but it has like locks all around the door that like go into the frame oh um like a vault door or something yeah but like you can get it with like a normal looking door i feel like it's sir it certainly sounds secure i'm curious if it is secure enough to justify itself i feel like that's a good way to get a broken window you have like this very complicated security door it's like a normal window like right next to it yeah it's like if someone if somebody wants to get inside of your house that bad then they'll go through the window they won't fuck around with his multi-point metal i guess unless you've got those uh unless you've got the things super windows multi-lock windows i mean not super not super windows but the roller the roller line things on the windows shutters uh i guess that's what they're called yeah rolling shutters yeah rolling odds or whatever maybe maybe well those i would imagine that you're not going to be able to get in without making well i guess if you smash glass you're going to make a shit ton of noise too but like it's it'll make it harder is that's all bong lord long of abjlington muesli thought more to have a kong fap you given less there's going on went on it will movie fap for ages b a a p s wagsies scritches hero for the boy good all right nice thank you very much uh quotes of the day fringy by hitting her you have watched it moorla morse code not with the penis the hand rags it's amazing how i can spell the words with the letters on my keyboard some good i just don't i just i feel like sometimes we need to remember how incredible that is good quote is duct tape safe for keeping the poopy in it can work for a bit um after a while you know like on your butt yeah like if you duct tape your butt hole i think so yeah it just it doesn't work for ever it gets weaker i don't think so it'll just it'll just be it'll just be caught inside of your your hole the rim if you will you should keep reapplying it and applying it so you have a big suit and then it'll fill your suit and kill you um that's just the ultimate ultimate end yeah fare thee well fringoo you fabulous feathered frogo also y'all should play hades is exquisitely entertaining hey i always hear that hades is great oh he's great there you see right there yeah that's one of that's one of my favorite games hmm boy uh what up all my n words had some pizza in memory of wolf she is fellows runs ross and all here's some money for payroll well thank you thanks yeah pizza pizza good shit hi rags hello to you is high top a subjective critic uh i mean he does cry a lot i don't know that's all you need really also at sitch i watched your conversation with jay and you and i agree on like 95 percent of the gender stuff cool all right you had a good conversation with jay about that um ants will attack us oh wait i read that one i remember i'm way behind but in english mining village there is a toilet room on its own near an entrance on the ground floor so you don't mess up the house from walking down the mines then head back to work huh well that makes sense yeah that's uh that's fine fight club video has h bomber guy in it well i'm sure that means it's going to be good um this fair use topic would melt a rikita invite no sorry merit a rikita invite up melted uh yeah no it would be interesting to see if he's um he's got some insight on that one does the toothbrush belong in the same space as the toilet well so most people um like like sish was saying you know you don't flush with the toilet open so that articles can move around yeah put the lid down yeah do you think a silent speed running record video is transformative although that was one of the things i brought up as a complication it's tough to think it is a competition because what is being presented to you is like a mode of play that is going to be very much unobtainable to many people yeah ricky extreme and you are specifically there for that person's engagement with the game right that's a good point as opposed to a long play where it kind of doesn't matter who doesn't it's the game yeah that's the interesting one what's the same with like uh watching someone just for their skill in like a competitive multiplayer right it's like well well and also they have to be taking away again the market share of the product so i mean i'm assuming someone watching a speed run would have gone and played the game if not for watching the speed run either they would have or they wouldn't have and it probably would have nothing to do with that speed run i think that's right yeah exactly whether they make that decision is probably irrelevant you know it doesn't it's it's not relying on the speed run right so rags would you rather poop with the door open or have no toilet paper that's pretty easy rags is gone he's pooping with the door open oh no damn unless he's in deep thought who would choose to to poop with the door closed but no toilet paper i guess you just dig in there with your hands yeah i i i've just been sent a very funny meme by elie who does a lot of really cool the illustrations dream of feed oh i remember the rags trying to save you yeah i'm getting nuggets after this i do like the little dresses on the nuggets yeah well i'm just sitting in that sauce man i'm just tempting which is more advanced a society that uses purified water to flush away poop or a society that craps into mass produced and disposable plastic bags i like how i can hear rags in the background doing whatever he's doing with this stuff so i'm gonna go with the the the what was the question again well so they say what's more advanced a society that uses purified water to flush away poop or a society that craps into mass produced and disposable plastic bags all right i don't know actually i mean one of them is clearly more convenient yeah as for which one proves to be a part of a society that's more advanced i suppose both of them could be more in a society that's more advanced than the other depends on the other technologies at play yeah the real advanced society lasers that poop away cinema transforms it cinematic venom official has restarted his channel his first vid shows the room with the hole in the wall from his lord the rings vid and it's fallen more apart oh hope he's doing all right uh finally watched smiling friends animation put me off for a moment but the comedy won me back great recommendation thanks massives well good stuff i'm glad you're enjoying it we uh we're big fans of it over here hello from texas the older i get the more impressed i am at how late you guys can stay up i rags i mean yeah the long men are a dying breed okay but this they still they're still out there uh sitch is 100 right my account is so heavily censored it's bs you know the h word that you use when you really don't like someone i can't even say that oh when you call them a heckin bad person fucks you can't say that man rude i'm back oh right someone asked what would you rather yes poop with toilet paper but the door is open or poop without toilet paper but the door is closed i'm keeping i'm keeping toilet paper toilet paper is incredible there you go toilet paper is insanely incredible you don't know what you've got till it's gone and that's the price is pooping with the door open i'm keeping toilet paper toilet paper is insanely useful uh i live within day trip distance of the dollar meat store and i have my passport i'm doing it bros be careful who does what make sure you send your before and after pictures to rags and moller don't like have you and then you and your coffin after sure also oh also i'm the guy giving the wings quote so being heavily censored makes it pretty difficult you can probably imagine why big ups liquid richard does he does he typically swear a lot wings i don't think so i think it's just that he sometimes gets controversial saying things that it yeah well i appreciate the liquid richard quotes uh will y'all ever address the southpaw beef also high racks hello to you uh i don't i'm not aware of any like beef i just i haven't spoken to him in like ages and as far as i know he's still making videos and stuff i i hope he's doing all right mm-hmm what's more capable of being memed the star wars prequels or the lord of the rings trilogy that was prequels right the prequels yeah prequels are the meme value of the prequels is off the charts i wouldn't want to understate lord the rings meme ability true true true yeah the prequel legend remains yeah the prequel is a king um there's something about i mean episode three alone probably of any film ever made has the highest concentration of memes don't ask me to explain it it just does it just does i think i think yeah like is there one that beats it i don't think so episode three i don't know how they could be because we've got do-its um this is where the fun begins we got execute order 66 my powers have doubled since the last summer yeah from my point of view the jedi more than that um liar yeah lie of course a lot liar there's a lot of good memes in the uh i love democracy oh yeah it's true it's it's treason then yeah so it said yeah episode three is the king of kings it's like pretty much of memes it is the king of kings yeah and it it really adds a layer of entertainment to that film just just being like there it is there it is there it is there it is i don't know what year it was all right of course ironic isn't it that's the one ironic i got around that did i ever tell you the tale of doth plague is the wise i ever tell you you can't even say without laugh oh and i have the high ground like you go i have the high like everybody like 35 30 memes do you guys remember um i kind of the nature i think it was on reddit but it was basically this whole spreadsheet of um like a thousand pixels up and across we might have been more than that and you have an account and you can color one pixel per hour i think and so everyone just goes nuts doing it and like lots of different communities try to draw their own things to compete with other ones and one of the things that was successfully through was the doth plague is fucking speech um i just abused the mimic boss fight so bad all i had to do is get rid of all my equipment before the fight so it spawned a dude in loincloth to fight me and then switch to a great sword yeah it's it's pretty manipulatable but uh nice nice idea have you ever used a toilet with those seat coverings the weight of it means the lid threatens to snap down while you pee it's so awful and selfish my god oh no and if it's got the heavy lid that's got the carpet on it that makes it even worse because the pee is going to get soaked up and absorbed no it's like a quick time and then any pee it'll be saturated you need to be ready to kick it back ready to catch the way well take it back over time of it uh we had two of the in the claws of the eagles players on this stream i miss lolly vampire rags i'm probably gonna watch again tonight hi rags hi yeah that was fun that was fun uh ask psacich for permission to observe bright since he and adam are the bright understanders what i you don't have permission to watch the movie bright do you i guess we have to have permission from you guys do we have you have my permission to watch the movie very well would you like to watch it with us whenever we eventually do the free fat movies sure sweet that's that's one that's a very contentious movie that i like that people really hate it it has problems but i don't understand the hatred towards it i think it's on the nose but that's not reason enough for me to hate a movie i'd have to see it and we're rid of the red nose reindeer that's on the nose but people really like that i think it's a great concept it's a funny concept like Lord of the Rings races in you know modern times hmm uh and like the orcs are discriminated against you know because they sided with sauron and the dark war but just hooked up with thanatos so lucky i've got the gems to buy a new pillow set from the house contractor i feel like that was meant for a different stream i don't understand thanatos pillows house contractor and it's those pillows fanatos i legitimately do not wait wait wait read it again just hooked up with thanatos so lucky i've got the gems to buy a new pillow set from the house contract oh he's referencing hades ah okay there's a character named thanatos i meant thanos thanos toast thanos uh how long should i keep the poopy in um well you know just until it until it comes if the poopy in too long i mean you should go shortly after your body tells you it's time yeah your body will be like hey do you mind and you're like yeah okay that's usually the relationship you need to don't be like elsa from indiana jones you need to learn when to let it go or it will destroy you i mean you let your body tell you what to do also elsa from indiana jones let it go am i thinking did you mix the elsa from frozen when you nope no there's is there a separate elsa let it go reference in oh of course there is wow oh yeah yeah i'm completely blank because i was so distracted by elsa and let it go i was like that's gotta be frozen right i've never seen frozen and hopefully i'll die with that uh i it frozen's fine like it's not it's not a bad movie it's fine i was fine have you never seen it i remember i remember when i watched it i uh i was i was like man this is the film i've been hearing about like all year ever just talking about how amazing it is that is where you're watching it's fine yeah yeah uh has wolf seen the batman he like it rip my n-word um i would assume the maybe maybe doll you know this kid i i think it would be his preference that that sort of stuff isn't mentioned uh if you were a souls-like boss what would you be called um no you need a subtitled name too like oh the dog it'd be like the art killer something the art killer oh it's layer of art something like that yeah i mean it probably be fringy the goo alchemist or something yeah mine would just be straightforward art killer it's just like this is like the goo lord the goo lord there we go lord of goo lord of goo that's right um gosh i don't know um i'm not i'm not really familiar with dark souls boss names and stuff so i don't really have much of a reference to sort of be like oh you mean like such and such um hmm well it may be be rags the mischievous schybe could be uh yeah i honestly don't know yeah lord long maul of the art killers long long bone of mublin to nappy maybe could be that would be the name what about you six rags defiler of grandmothers rags the scritches hoarder great gold rags the good boy yeah i would be like oh like i'm fighting him but we could have been friends kind of name did she you got one oh i don't i've never played dark souls wow what about just fantasy name for you as an evil boss has to be slain um felled felled yep stitch the always right and never wrong stitch the always right stitch the forever right get curt of uncivil law he's a funny friend of nick ricketer he said he's jealous of nick because all the streams nick is on also curt does ip lore oh then i guess he would be uh more yeah the only concern i have is that we don't want to have too many people because especially next week because the video is like twice as long as the irrelevant one also it's um i guess i guess uh it is what the legal stuff is obviously interesting and relevant um it is also a principled argument as well i would say yeah well i'm so much more concerned with the ethical side of this than the legal one but still well sure i but it the legal side helps us uh because there are so many examples with like fair use and things and the doctrines that are around that just help inform some of the arguments that are made but hey yeah maybe star wars breath of the wild when definitely worth a watch high rag star wars breath of the wild i have no idea what that is assume it's like a fan video of some kind could be cool maybe we'll check it out uh dark souls boss mohler monger of hate it can work i think definitely work maybe there could be several of me the long men oh and is that all of them oh the mongers of hate is like the knights of ran um yeah well we know things about the mongers of hate that is the last super chat for tonight oh wow we shall be uh shutting shop now but before that sitch do you want to tell people why they should go and fucking subscribe to your channel like little weirdos yeah on sundays at four p.m. eastern we do long e-fap style streams on political content is it a movie content generally complaining about woke stuff and socialists so if you like that come on down if you don't like that then don't come on down we'll still i'll still love you it's okay well uh what's what is your topic tomorrow does anyone know that's a great question i'm figuring that out while i've been streaming today what you're supposed to do is say oh it's a big mystery you guys gonna love it but we can't reveal yet super big mystery oh my god you it's like you'll be shocked that we covered this so how is this allowed on youtube i can't believe it well uh yeah i was gonna say if it does feel like a sister podcast in a sense because uh i think you and adam along with us run the longest podcasts possibly on youtube and it's a big claim but seriously though i'm pretty sure we come close to running the longest podcast mm-hmm um well we never did the 31 hour stream we hold the record you do have the record um yeah uh what about uh freaky rags anything you guys want to want to say before we i guess i got things in the works i should have a i should have a a collaboration with someone done this week that will be posted um either maybe the first of april or the last of march i'm not exactly certain uh and then i'll have another video of mine that should be done shortly after that some dog bite stuff i have in the works that would have been done but i got to work on this collab because it is time sensitive and um yeah you will see things from me absolutely wait um i'm just still working away at the big old project but i i think at this point i can say that it's it's it's drawing near to a conclusion which is good because been working on it for a long time and i already got an idea for what will be next but i'm keeping that one to myself for now and also i guess yeah i might be playing Kirby tomorrow or essentially tonight even what keep an eye out playing the Kirby lands and having fun yeah it'll be a grand old time that's all i got for you now hi on the other hand it was only this morning that i saw it out the second half of like so split denims into two pieces um so wow damn i've still got to sort out the third person which is not a secret at all if it's fine um so that'll be something i'm working on what's all that's done and gadelb is done i can then get full on with my next project um but i guess yeah you got gadelb on the way you'll see us on wednesday i'm doing a catch-up stream with drinker tomorrow and then obviously real bvc and then i think next week myself drinker as and gary are all going to talk about return of the king on uh oh boy open bar or is it happy hour i think it's called i i think that one's called happy hour so uh you know you've got all these different things happening and of course got adam and sitch doing their doing the wombos tomorrow i'm gonna i'm actually i'm being bullied into making a video um oh my god are one of our editor bet adam five hundred dollars that i'll make a video by the end of next month so you can't let them win i can't let adam win so there you go i'm being forced by it as a powerful motivator that's true um but yeah that's that thank you so much for watching and uh like i said we'll just we'll see next saturday for part two of this arc and cheerio totally yeah yeah everybody well of course thanks for joining us thanks for watching thanks for donations and thanks for just uh other members as well and um yeah okay good night everybody buh-bye