 Hey, it's time for voiceover body shop tech talk Yeah, we got some great guests with us. We usually don't have guests for tech talk but we've got Robert Marshall and Andrew Peters and Robbo Robertson joining us from the pro audio suite and If you've got a question about your home voiceover studio boy now is the time now is the time because these guys will go right over your head with probably more stuff Over under and right through the middle absolutely so get those questions into the chat room right now and Let's get rolling. It's time for tech talk on voiceover body shop right now From the outer reaches they came Bearing the knowledge of what it takes to properly record your voice over audio and Together from the center of the VO universe. They bring it to you now George Whidham the engineer to the VO stars of Virginia Tech grad with the skills to build set up and maintain the professional VO studios of the biggest names in VO today and you Dan Leonard the voiceover home studio master a professional voice talent with the knowledge and experience to help you create a professional sounding home VO studio and Each week they allow you into their world making the complex simple Debunking the myths of what it takes to create great sounding audio Answering your questions showing you the latest and greatest and VO tech and having a dandy time doing it Welcome to voice over body shop tech talk Voice over body shop tech talk is brought to you by voice over essentials comm home of Harlan Hogan signature products source elements remote studio connections for everyone voice actor websites.com where your VO website isn't a pain in the butt VO heroes.com become a hero to your clients with award-winning voiceover training J. Michael Collins demos when quality matters and voiceover extra your daily resource for VO success and Now live to drive from their super secret clubhouse and studio in Sherman Oaks, California Here are the guys Well, hello there, I'm Dan Leonard and I'm George Woodham and this is voiceover body shop or VO Talk tech talk tech talk tech We're here. I like you. Can I just say it's very effective. Oh, thank you. That's all Dan right there. Yeah Yeah, the reverb especially is just makes it Gosh, thank you Was that a PCM 60 or Bracastee which is probably my 416 anyway If you've got a question for these a wonderful audio folk that we have with us this week from the pro audio suite George's other podcast Which a little looser it's like an awkward Thanksgiving dinner Yeah, but who's the turkey Supposed to hit the the rimshot button anywhere The roadcaster and I'm not on the roadcaster Wait a second. Let me let me let me find it. Where's the where's the rimshot the rimshot is there it is Nothing like a late sound effect the joys of live radio But that's what we love about this show is that we we do it live although and all yes And well, it's also exactly the reason we don't do ours But it's more fun this way, you know, you never know what's gonna happen It's like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna Yeah, but that's a such a weird saying because if you buy a box of chocolates It says what it is on the outside. Otherwise you wouldn't buy it So I've never got that life's like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get we'll read the freaking label They don't always have a decoder thing that says which one is in what area and plus if someone eats enough of them out of the box Then they start getting shuffled around and you have no idea which one is which so then you have to go By the look of them But by the time you start trying to analyze that the person holding the box offering you chocolate is like get on with it And then you grab a random chocolate, and you don't know what you're gonna get and there you go Always get the new get and I hate new good, but anyway, oh Well CC United Newgate we say new go Really, that mean we're a bit French or something Anyways like that in banana, yeah, we are all over the place tonight aside from being all over the place but all over the world Yes, Robert is in Chicago and Andrew you are in well I'm actually in a I'm out of Melbourne I'm down the coast of Melbourne and if anyone's watching Netflix currently and there's a TV show a series called surviving summer No Surviving summer if you want to check it out and see where I leave that's where it was all shot But it's actually kind of weird because You're there on our beach, and then there's they're out surfing another beach, and then pretend it's the same place and everyone locally Oh, oh, it's a hollywood trick. Yeah, it is. Yeah, and Robbo, you're in Sydney. I am Sid Vegas That's right. Or as we like to call it underwater world Sydney Barrett yeah, anyway, uh One of the things that I think people need to understand if you haven't figured it out already when we do voiceover body shop Is telling you about what George and I do which is help you? create and maintain your home voiceover studios and It's time for a plug. Yes Yes, I mean it's it's very very specific to you and to your particular Environment and that's what we do is we will come in and we'll say where's the best place to record? Oh, you have a booth. Okay, how do you use it and That's what we do Yeah, I believe the right side amazing Lee I do some people don't hold us up to a lot of people and ask them which way you should talk into And I guarantee most of them will get it wrong Even even if you put a sign directly on the wall next to the microphone that says to speak into the side of it Which is especially if if you're the type that might edit video You will probably gonna take the same microphone and point it straight at you and start talking to the front of it That's right ignoring the sign. That's there to And wonder why does it sound like this? But anyway, yeah It's time for George's tech update in a minute But first we got to tell you that if you want to work with one of us whether it's me or George You can do that. We are professionals. We will consult with you We can come into your home if you happen to be in the Greater Los Angeles area most usually we travel case Yeah, we do travel and no restraining order. No But we don't like sneak in the back window we just Actually ring the bell and knock on the door But if you want to work with one of us because we have lots of interesting services to make sure that you sound your best If you want to work with George, where do you go? Well, you head over to georgev.tech of course My name is my address. There's a lot going on over there. The site is Will be the current site that you see will be sunsetted soon and there's not enough s alliteration for you It will be going away So if you like my old school website, you better go look at it now because in about a month or so It's gonna be gone, but that's where you can find all my services over there sound checks Stacks studio design and audio book mastering processing stacks all that kind of stuff happens over there George the dot tech and Dan you have your own home on the web with a freshly painted website and that's at home voiceover studio Dotcom indeed. Yes, it is brand spanking new the specimen collection cup is now at the top of the page Not at the bottom. So when you come to my page, you'll go. Oh, that's where I submit my audio So Dan can analyze it and for twenty five audio folks only audio only Specimen I was gonna say yeah. Yeah, it's kind of like John Oliver asked people to send in their tidings or something for I don't know where I keep my tidings, but anyway If you go over there for twenty five dollars, I will analyze your existing audio and either tell you it's Easy a little bit of work or it's fabulous and you don't need my help But generally there's always something I can come up with and you know so go on over to home voiceover studio and check that out and now It's time for George's weekly tech update Take it away George the tech I will not stretch this one out because we've got so much talent here today And I don't want to waste everybody's precious time, but I did get something sent to me recently Our friends over Mojave audio and I say friends because I've known Dusty Wakeman over there for a long time They were a very early supporter of the SAG after Donna Fontaine voiceover a lab and so we've known him a while long time and they do make some great mics He said George, I don't know why you don't have one of our mics. So here you go and here it is So this is the MA 50. This is there. This is our entry point microphone. Okay, you know, they're most of Accessibly priced. I believe it's 500 us So certainly not a cheap microphone But if you know anything about Mojave the founder the the guy that actually invents the microphones He's a David Royer. You may have heard of Royer Royer microphone. Absolutely. Yeah, he is a Genius And he is very very particular about what they sell even if it's very affordable and so even at the price point of the MA 50 It's still a very very high quality microphone And this is probably where a lot of folks are gonna start their voiceover Journey in their lineup now they have the MA 301 FET That's if you want to go with a multi-pattern microphone And you want more options, but the MA 50 is a nice straightforward single pattern. No frills no switches No bells and whistles just a really clean pure microphone And that's something that I will hopefully be using and reviewing shortly But this is literally I literally opened the box right before we started taping tonight I watched him actually open it. Yeah, and then this is really exciting the shotgun the shock mount You know pretty standard fair right there. It's an elastic shock mount. That's it in a nice box. Nice road case There you go. Nice microphone. Thanks Dusty. We'll give it its due and we'll start using it for real Shortly a promise. I think I used a mojave years ago But someone stumbled across was a studio in a guy called Tristan Meredith if you're watching Tristan He had a mojave and it was a tube mojave. Yeah, I was gonna say they're more I know more for tube mics And and they were quite the rage Especially when they first came out, you know, I made 200 the MA 300 because I I think wasn't Who's doing a lot of the mic mods before that and like Jolly, yeah, that's right Mike Jolly Mike Jolly. Yeah, Mike mods, right What's the connection with him and mojave? I think they came on the scene like right at the same time like Mojave was like one of the early Independent might make my mic makers like, you know, like Paluso was early on in there Yeah, like before that always AKG and Neumann the big usual and and there weren't any boutique mic pre-amp mic companies and then Mojave Paluso shows up. There's one in Australia. We won't talk about Right so so they I put them in that category and then along that same time was because a lot of what these You know like these guys were we're building off of was the ability to be able to buy parts to to get Reasonably high-quality capsules or they were able to get the machinery to make their own capsules and it was like the next level and You know like boutique like yeah, I mean yeah, I've met David I know the first fact that he does personally listen to every single Mic that leaves the their plant there and it's up and right here in Burbank in California And it yeah, he's he's can he's a control freak Yes, and so, you know, that's why they're not gonna make a $300 $200 $100 mic. It's just not possible They're not wanting to play at that at that level. This is a an affordable entry point But still a very high quality well made and check out Mike So that's the Mojave. We'll do some more testing of it. Yeah I think you and I need to go over there George and do a remote session over there I think that'd be a lot of fun. I know they would love to do it. Absolutely. That would be a blast Let's make it happen Another more mundane topic But anyway, because I had a couple of these sitting or sitting around I recently had to set up a studio where we put a webcam in the booth and the booth is You know by the routing of the wiring probably 20 feet from the computer and one of the features We needed to have was a webcam because we what's happening is the the actors in the booth the producer and the client and the Whoever else the talent not the talent. Sorry the Clients I guess just sitting in another room, right? So we don't have a window We don't have a way to see them So we're using a webcam getting that webcam signal from the booth all the way over to the Mac was a little bit of a challenge This is in a studio where they don't have a direct window So they're using it in like a CCTV. I've been at a few studios that the reason for this is the wall It's between the booth and the other room is a shear wall and a condo We couldn't we couldn't move it. We couldn't modify it. We couldn't mess with the shear wall. It's it's structural, right? So we might have like Florida. Yeah, so we ended up with a web cancel and it works fine except for the distance, right? I bought a USB 3.0 extension cable on Amazon We plugged it in and the camera frame rate was like that It was really really bad and it said USB 3.0 extension, right? The thing was it wasn't active extender There's differences between these extensions You if you're running webcams webcams are particularly picky about the speed of the connection everything You want to make sure it's an active USB extender. This one happens to be Telltale sign usually is that they have a pretty big chunky connector on one end because there's actually circuitry in here So that's getting a little electricity from the USB port on the computer That's running through the cable and then and actually providing power to this end where the camera plugs in this Actually, we got another one in there that uses ethernet. I it's so funny I happen to have it from another job It was in a bin and I wasn't sure not trash a container It was in a container in my car That uh that had extra cables and sure enough there it was and the one that I found Actually extends the connection over cat 5. Yep, and it actually worked perfectly. I was shocked how well it worked So anyway, I had already bought another one because I wasn't sure if the one I had would work and that one looks something like this Now this this is sort of the next level of extender. That's nice one. Yeah. Yeah, what's cool about this one is You can run very long distances over cat 6 and it's also a USB hub. So you're getting the You can't see it because of the pictures not showing the USB ports But on the other side of this box are for USB 2.0 ports So now you can put this in your booth plug in multiple devices a keyboard a mouse Maybe an i-lock you could have everything that you want to have in your booth with you Plugged into this and then it extends over a normal cat 6. I think it's cat 5 actually Ethernet cable which are extremely cheap and they can run a long long distance So this is the kind of thing you want to look at is it says 60m? This one is specced to run up to 60 meters 60 60 us Amazon Prime, I mean it came like in two days. I'm done with this stuff a ton I mean because extending USB is the same nightmare as extending HDMI And so you need it's funny because you said that that one's active But a lot of the active USB extenders I've seen they actually have a wall wart on the Receiving side. Yes, I meant to say that the the one that I ended up using in the studio It has two little tails, right? One has USB male the other one female and then there's an ethernet port on the other side that connects but the one end They actually the receiving end the one that's in the in the booth Where the camera plugs in has a power supply exactly it plugs in whereas this one doesn't this one relies on the fact that you're plugging it into a USB 3 Port you see it's blue that's I'm trying to figure out like that this one says it's active But there's no extra power than the source of the original USB. So it's not that's right It's not in any way repeating or it is that really active or is that it's active because I is it more than amplify them Anything it's it's active because it's using that 900 milliamp USB 3 Power so power to power this electronics that are in this cable So that's what makes it but you would you if you don't plug this into a USB 3 Connector you will not get that power and it probably won't work So that's why I thought I would show these off because they're they're not all the same And you have to be so I would recommend buying two completely different one if you're like concerned about something working They're cheap enough you can get return and get more than one and test them both because you might one way Not may work and no one may not I've found that the ethernet ones for me didn't work as well You know in the studio, but but the ones I had were not power They were just like ethernet on either end and that was yeah No, I think powered is the key word that they have a power supply that provides and some sort of a booster amplifier That provides that strong signal and and again that if that seemed to be what worked and the cable I had the ethernet cable I happened to have was one of those flat very low profile cables And it was 50 feet long. It was much longer than needed, right? Didn't matter and still work flawlessly. So hey, there you go Moving on to software I've started playing around with this thing called sound desk and sound desk is allows you to emulate pretty closely the the the fun that you can have with With an Apollo where you get to plug in a processing Into a signal and record directly through it. I was thinking it was like a dog without the tracks It is so this is a way to mix multiple inputs send them to multiple places and have them be monitored or recorded into software the $30 application. Is it simple? No, it is not It's not that either is an Apollo twin. So neither is exactly is It's definitely Something to wrap your head around if you're familiar with something called loop back and a few other tools It's kind of similar in some ways to what that does but this emulates more of an actual mixer But what it lets you do is you can have multiple channels of audio come in and have it go back out the other side But what's what's most interesting about it is their sound driver? It has a mode called all-in-one And what all-in-one mode does is it takes literally every single audio channel available in your system from every device and Bakes them all into one super big Audio device and now it lets you send things in ways in and out of things in a way that we're really difficult to do And it's basically an aggregate device in a sense, isn't it? Yeah, it's creating its own Aggregated audio device we're we're bundling together multiple things. What have I done with it so far? You're probably wondering the only thing I've done with it so far, George I have done is I used it to a clubhouse. I wore my headset microphone that has a little boom mic on it It's not an expensive mic by any means and I threw it in my I take it on my I'll take it on the road, right? And I'm sitting in the airport terminal To fly back from Philadelphia to LA on on Thursday or no Friday And I want to do in my clubhouse that I do this one I do every every twice a week for more for the George the tech customers and not have it sound like total garbage And have it be really noisy So I ran my in my mic through a series of plugins I was using Bertam denoiser and I was using a Shep's Omni-channel wave is plug-in because I had just gotten it and I was able to throw all this stuff in and Because of the really low latency that a modern computer. I'm using a MacBook Air M1 I was able to monitor all that processing So I was actually hearing what everybody else was hearing with extremely small amount of delay It was enough to detect it. It wasn't perfectly zero. It wasn't zero It was probably 20 to 30 milliseconds, but it was short enough that I could monitor What I was sending out and so I was getting the effect in essence that you're getting from a $600 plus Apollo For a $30 plug-in or or application. So it proved to work. It was pretty impressive I wouldn't I still wouldn't recommend to everybody the especially if you're not needing to do anything live It's really not necessary But for those who have unique use cases that want to have more control over your audio signal before it's recorded This is an option for doing that. Yeah, that's what's it. What's it giving me that nexus isn't giving me that source nexus So, yeah, good You can put nexus in this and really get confused I'm confused already So later in this episode I'm gonna give Robert the opportunity to do his own commercial for nexus Just because he's here and he can explain it better than anyone else. Everybody's Nexus is a way to send audio from one thing to another thing inside your computer and Robert can expand on this this it Kind of it's kind of like that, but it also has this mixing capability It's so it's more it's a more complex tool I would say that nexus uses the DAW for that mixing capability right next companion for your DAW Pro Tools or whatever see I can see this is meant to be another tool altogether. Yeah. Yeah, once again, you're you're Go ahead. I was just gonna say I can see Pro Tools doing Using nexus what that's doing. I guess is that pretty much That'd be close. Yeah, like yeah, totally Pro Tools together. You could do what you're getting from that Absolutely that you take Pro Tools and nexus and you have basically if you have Pro Tools You do not need sound desk likely because you have all the capabilities you have you need it's just that sound decks I like I think it's clever that it has the all-in-one audio driver, which Aggregates everything together for you. So that's how is that how's that not like just going to the Mac and slamming together and aggregate device It's essentially I think the same it just that it just does it with a click I say it just does it so And it has a has a routing matrix if you really want to get in the weeds It has a routing matrix and it shows every software running on the computer that has audio and lets you assign them to different Right points in the matrix so it's it can get pretty pretty interesting fancy Dan do you have a thing that's to tag on to this conversation? What I was gonna tag on was that if you've got a question out there anybody Throw it in the chat room whether you're on Facebook live or whether you are watching on YouTube and Or on a ham radio, which apparently is still fairly popular Honey with eggs You might use one of those mics behind you on a ham radio That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, I throw them in the chat room and Jeff Holman is back there somewhere Jeff Somewhere around here and he will relay those questions to us and our great guest Andrew Peters Robert Marshall and Robo Robertson joining us from the Pro audio suite these guys know their stuff. So throw those questions in there. That's scary. Yeah, I know All right. Well, we're gonna we're gonna let the the the pro audio suite guys Get into what they want to talk about a little bit and your questions Right after these important messages. So don't go anywhere. We'll be right back Hi, this is Bill farmer and you are watching voiceover body shop. 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I improvise a spot So so nexus something that might be new to a lot of our viewers that hear me talk about source connect most of the time Tell us a couple of unique things that make it a useful tool for anybody recording in their Home studio and I would say mainly would you say it's something that's suited for the producer side of things? It's it's a lot suited for the producer. I would say the the quickest thing is for the Audio engineers and producers what it lets them do is stay in their audio workstation typically pro tools but could be logic or whatever and it lets them very easily interface that workstation with a whole bunch of outside in other applications and communication systems that might not present themselves as as Plugins or might not even be able to address multi-channel audio. So nexus lets any application any web browser music player quick time player, et cetera, you can use like a Zoom type thing skype's and source x see like basically source connect has a plug-in built into it But that plug-in only does its thing for source connect trades audio to from source the link plug-in So think of nexus as like the bigger version of link that now does that same trick for every application and service inside your computer and so now the audio engineer can have a voice talent coming in Send audio to remote clients Feed the audio from the remote clients back to the talent Bring in a website that everyone's like well. It was like this on that YouTube video. Okay here I'll play the YouTube video for you too. You can do all that inside Your workstation, which you're very familiar with Yeah, and then you end up on a session on source connect and they don't know how to use this on the other end oh Good luck because this is by far the best way to do it and You know, I recommend it's been a couple years now with the pandemic this tool and others like You know that allow remote collaboration are highly and well Established now into what they're doing, you know chances are if there's a zoom happening during a source connect They're gonna be using this it's gotta be nexus But make sure that whoever you're working with knows how to use this because it is a very powerful way to do it And before we go Robert, there's three different levels of it, right? Yeah, I'll jump in so like Well, there used to be three different levels now There's just nexus because okay, we got with too many products and people are like oh, I don't understand What do I need and so we just simplified everything and so now there's just nexus There used to be a free a basic and nexus pro now There's just nexus and I think maybe one of the obvious questions is like why would I need this as a voice talent and I would say Probably the best reason that a voice talent needs would would maybe want nexus is they're in a session and the clients Aren't hiring an engineer. They just want to zoom in and have you record everything but they're being a little bit presumptuous and they want you to Record separate takes and manage the takes and they want you to play back things I like in the middle of the session. Can you go back and play take five? Well, you know, we're at to play take 10 and whatever and so if you need to play back out of your recording software nexus would just do that very easily for you Especially if you're in anything from adobe audition to Pro Tools to logic etc. Got it. And there's certainly ways to do it outside And that's you know, but this is the nice thing about nexus is it does it in your workstation? Yeah, yeah, so did they get it as a is it a subscription or a one-time buy either? It's it's 295 one-time or eleven twelve dollars a month Yeah, all right, great man. Well, there you go. It did turn into an infomercial. What can I tell you but Hey, that's it. That's what's cool about doing the show. Thanks Robert and thank you source elements for your support of Vobs, let's get on with the show with more commercials right after this Well, hello there. I bet you weren't expecting to hear some big voiced announcer guy on your new orientation training for snapchat Were you this is virgin radio? Well, okay. 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Yes back the epic voice guy Anyway, um, you know speaking of blow in your mind before we started the show George and I were watching the first pictures from the web telescope It's like if that's gonna blow your mind. It's like whoa There's galaxies and get there's as many galaxies as there are stars The thing and the thing operates at minus. I think it's minus 400 degrees Kelvin How can there be no galaxies as there are stars if there's stars in galaxies? I Was talking Visually within the frame I was trying to sound smart and I said minus 400 degrees Kelvin. I everybody's like there sounds like as negative Kelvin. Sorry It starts at zero Moving at all it operates at nearly zero degrees Kelvin and it and it will look back To about 300,000 light years before no years before the big are after the big bang or something like that It's it's insane. I'm billions of years into this much, but that's the time you've heard and seen this it's already We're all dead. Yes Somebody watching on another planet Maybe we can put the pro audio suite and and and VOBS on a golden record and let it float out in space until I think it's a very good idea something else more No, it's gonna take berries out there. Yeah, that's right. Send more Chuck Berry But yeah, I mean the thing is this we could send that out there. It'll take 10,000 years For a response and then you know, what's the response and then the last question? No, no, the last question like you know, how do I get rid of the boomy sound in my booth? I really need advice and also do you do a house call? I'm over here on Jupiter 9 Anyway, this is a very special session of voiceover money shop tech talk because we got some super duper techies with this We have Robert Marshall and Rubble Robertson and Andrew Peters from George's other podcast the pro audio suite Now here's something really techie So please then go for it and it's got nothing to do with this at all really only to the point that Robert back into I know it's getting weird I think 2006 you were working on source connect. Is that correct source elements Robert? Yeah, so it's I mean Source connect was an idea in my head for Pretty much as many years as I was introduced to the internet and I began working with ISDN so Somehow the idea began forming somewhere between 1998 and by the time 2004 rolls around I've become annoying enough to my boss that I You know like one of the things he said to me was like, you know like well prove You can stream audio over the internet or something and I ended up streaming from the California office to the Chicago office of the California office. I had a huge amount of latency But I was able to get audio across intact and so that was one proof and then we talked at various You know different people who were at companies that had made products or software people and It was always like, yeah, we could build source connect for you. That'll be you know a million dollars or more and There's always some crazy high price to develop it and this is right around the same time Like Skype is just starting at the same time as well So I think you'll be for Skype because the only reason I'm saying this is because at the same time you were streaming audio I was working on a company the all-fated real-time casting But the first iteration of real-time casting was actually on camera casting and the idea was That instead of going in in front of a camera someone films you on VHS they send it on overnight bag to the client the client watches the you know the castings or auditions Calls it then people have to come back. It takes like weeks, but the time to actually get someone I Said to a techie made of mine is that there's got to be some way of actually streaming the the video and We did in 2006. I can still remember sitting in a house We had a computer on one room a computer in another room and we streamed from Preskype streamed video from one room to another which was pretty amazing So we're both doing similar things at the same time I remember the first version of source connect that we got back and it was just a line command application right you'd have to like type commands into a terminal to make it do stuff and Even more than the latency I had in my initial tests and we streamed from one side of the other and it takes It takes like 45 seconds for the audio to get through and I'm thinking to myself like Whose memory is storing it actually like how how could it take that long and Eventually, obviously the latency got driven down So from 2004 to 2005 roughly we did the R&D and made source connect version one and Then it was just a trip from there We you know just First couple years were super slow. It was always like this sucks compared to ISDN It was probably made a little bit before the internet really was able to handle this I would say it was around source connect 3 where it really came into its own Yeah, and that's when we built the VO to go kits for Steve's action Yeah, which he ran which was still bridging to ISDN because ISDN was still like heavily and out of here was his business And he was a specifically built bridge to connect ISDN to source connect and 3.0 is what I think it might we might have started before 3 but I feel like 3 3 had a lot I mean so basically 3 was the first version that had auto restore and auto replace in it as well And that was sort of our response to like, you know what? You just can't rely on the internet and that's kind of true to this day It's gotten better, but you really don't know when you're gonna get like, you know Go walk in a park and see if you get some bird shit on you and you probably will at some point Like eventually so That was but and then I'm trying to think when it was It was like growing steadily up until I Left I left the post house that we started out of and around the same time Rebecca had acquired the company and and that was also really motivating because there was just It was like sort of a rebirth sort of and actually it's funny because if you remember our website was Phoenix at that point We finally just just bridged a past Phoenix And the new website that just launched But yeah, we and then right around that time when Rebecca Sort of picked it up on and was was like the principal at that point That's when source connect now came out And we also shortly after that finished source live Which was again? I think another one of those things was just a little bit ahead of its time because we were trying to stream video To the clients in real time But you really couldn't stream reliable good video 30 frames a second those smooth so that clients could you know make Sound design and lip sync comments off of it. So that source live the initial version had You know like a three second latency if it was running well And if it was not running well as a 10 second latency And so it was kind of like a great idea, but the latency made sessions rough And it was only for the people that absolutely had to be remote on their sessions But then whatever that was 2012 or 13. I think when source live comes out 2020 we do source live to knock the latency down to basically the same as source connect like 200 milliseconds 300 and Now as we know it's like the whole world is remote and and we just heard of world is remote Yeah, that's this history and learning these lessons early on and and trying to position the product when No one knew that they completely needed it and then co vid just kind of And then you didn't sleep for two years. So let me think it really was true. I mean, it's like exactly Started co vid anyway I don't think so. No we think Source Yeah Yeah, back in 2008 I remember I don't know how I stumbled across a source connect, but I think was 2007-2008 I mean, we were only a few years old. Yeah, and I was going for a session in a studio and the guy who owned the studio I was doing the session in was the real techie dude, Mike Slater and And I walked in I said I've just discovered this thing and It's called source connect and he was on his laptop He leaned aside and I looked at his screen and he was looking at source connect And he said I'm just looking at it now. I went wow, that's incredible. I only saw it yesterday. He said well If you buy it, I'll buy it and then we can test it. Okay, let's do it so we did so we We both bought it and we just started testing to see, you know This thing was gonna work and I the first session I ever did on source connect was with Mike Unfortunately, the client I was doing the session with didn't like the fact I wasn't in there and never booked me again Our questions we do have a few that have come in believe it or not from the guests and some of them involved you guys Specifically a meaning Robert Andrew and Robbo. The first one is from Richard Green He's one of our team members of George the tech as well and he says I have a question for each of you guys What's on the wall in front of you? So in other words the thing that none of us can see we want to know what's on the other side of the camera So what is it you besides the computer monitor? What's what's on the other side? Let's see. Can I drink could I join another stream yard link really quick? Oh Yeah, you can try Robo mistakenly moved his camera and froze sorry Robo. Yeah, that's why I'm not touching mine. It'd be dead Here we go. Let me have a look see if I can do the same Dan. I'm doing this to make your life hell I'm not doing anything. I'm just It's going crazy now allow Mike and camera allow don't allow Mike To turn your speaker all the way down on your phone or it will start to echo back quick. Yeah, okay saying allow So much for getting any more calls today, but While they're doing that I'm gonna go to the next question real quick because I think it's something I can eat Oh, you can't see can you am I in my end? Oh, yeah, you are Robertson Roberts the first one in with the iPhone view Oh, you're in the cave. Okay. Yeah, I'm looking at myself. I don't know Couldn't tell you Let's turn it around. All right. You can tell you the techie people are coming here. Oh my god. Yeah now. That's a studio More gear very tasty compressor I Leave okay Amic old mixer And then here, I'll take my headphones off. So you want I want to hear you for a second Hey, Robert you flies are undone Can you hear me Robert nope, I'm gonna turn on his mic so we can hear him. Yeah. Oh He can't he's on me at Robert. You know, you know, you're not on Mike, right? Oh Nice studio. That's a full-on studio there. Yeah, that's a full-on studio amplifiers Yeah, and by the way, you don't need all that stuff to do voiceover in your closet. Yeah Just it is mine gone through I can see I'm probably yes, it has it has okay. Oh, yeah has to okay, so if I Oh, there it is so behind my computer which you're seeing there is Is Some outboard gear which I think everyone loves there's a la 16 grace design Neve 1073 and 2254 Set of V you meters which are completely and utterly redundant, but I actually like playing with silly shit like that MSP 10 Yamaha's which are really good. Well, the right one is the left one's blown up woofer Genelec crappy speaker and Hang on right in accord Let me unplug another crafter in another. What do we got there another gene like that's the one that blew Unfortunately blew the woofer Then I have behind there. I'm gonna have to come off cans Hang on a ticket. So Is that a Gretch guitar Yep Gotta have that Is that is that a is that a Gretch guitar what you got there? It is a Hagstrom's Yeah, there you go Richard, hopefully we get Robo Robo back we we lost Robo from it actually looks like you might be back Yeah, I think he He's down at the bottom of my screen. I leave do I press undead press leave. I will let press leave Yeah, we still got you. We still got you. Okay. All right moving on until we get Robo Maybe we can get him later Jeff there you go Richard know more than you thought right Says I haven't been able to sync my iPhone to my MacBook and one for most of the year because I'm on the latest iPhone But it won't sync with big sir. This is the Apple The Apple upgrade spiral I caught So it says I need to upgrade to Monterey to sync is it Monterey fully baked now to work with source connect Isotope Rx twisted wave, etc. Isn't there some part of source connect that doesn't work with yeah The the the remote transport sync feature doesn't work That's never gonna work because rewire isn't supported past whatever it is There's a behind-the-scenes Thing called rewire that is baked into your Software that we don't see yeah It's a common protocol that other workstations use and we use it to synchronize to workstations So if you're reading to picture or doing that type of stuff, that's what remote transport sync uses and it you or That that that's remote transport sync uses the rewire protocol got you and the company that made Rewire decided not to continue with it after like 15 years No one was relying on it. So we just cut it off. Yeah And and so the the other thing is that I'm not sure but at least early on the link plugin stopped working and also the Q manager stopped working some of that might have come back because it's really strange thing Apple comes out with 12.0 completely break source connect. It was a very bad two weeks Then because people just upgraded without you know thinking they just clicked on the button or listening to a session the next day And it's gonna be yeah freaking out So then 12.1 12.2 12.3 all don't work and we ended up in that run between 12.0 and 12.3 making source connect 3.9.2 Which we were never supposed to make another 3.9 version, but we had to like basically like unearth it and and then 12.4 comes out and source connect 3.9.1 starts working again with with with Mac OS Monterey And we're like oh so you didn't do anything Apple like They they did And it fixed itself By some miracle with 12.4 So there's a weird thing where if you're running Mac 12.1 oh 1 2 or 3 then you want to use source connect 3.9.2 or your better bet is just to upgrade all the way to 12.4 I'm not sure exactly what is and is not working in 12.4 But I think that it's it's possible that most of it is working again Except we remote transport sync but worst-case scenario the only thing that works is your audio connection and source stream But the auto restore doesn't replace and replace doesn't work and the RTS doesn't work. My advice would be Don't upgrade, but then I don't know what to tell you about your cell phone and that's yeah I haven't synced to my iPhone to a Mac in a long time. I I don't think mine to me either I do I cloud everything. I just I guess it's I never have to sink it. It's yeah Except that I can't find my my notes sometimes like oh I've got it because that's what it is There's all kinds of services that save your your like You know all your photos your emails saved in the server Like there really isn't anything to sink you all your online accounts keep all your data you get a new phone you just Log into all your accounts and right the one thing is the photos if you don't have a good photos Like third-party storage for your photos, but I do rely on the cloud a lot I realize some people don't like using the cloud and I get that they don't want the expense They don't like the security privacy whatever Concerns so that could be an issue for some but you can also airdrop everything right from your phone to your laptop Absolutely, and that works right over versions of OS so you can be on whatever the bleeding edge iPhone OS is that they force you to use? And you can be three versions back on Mac OS and you can airdrop to that You can probably just plug your phone in on USB and it'll still still let you mount it and peruse it like a photo drive Like even if you're not syncing it to iTunes, maybe yeah, I don't know your iPhones I mean every time I plug my phone in just to charge my computer's like do you trust this device? You're like sure I trust it and that's like here's your photos on your iPhone and you just see all your photos right away Maybe that's the part that's broken now could be yeah, we got one question left here Let's see if we can blow through this one from Riley who's watching on YouTube when recording it sounds to me I'm speaking at normal level, but playback sounds more like loud whispering advice Hmm sounds to me like Whisper it sounds like that. I think he's talking in the wrong side of the mic Yeah, or possibly just in my head that I'm speaking louder since I'm in a small quiet space Yeah, maybe plus recently I've been recording more in the in the late night hours due to the people above me teaching elephants to break dance during the day Boy Yeah, I mean if you're if you're recording and You seem to be speaking at a normal level, but it sounds like well you're that it's been that's maybe what's going on or Yeah, you're recording on the microphone on your laptop. I still don't know it playback sounds more like loud whispering I don't really I can't interpret that is it is it just a mic position thing Is it like you're so close to the microphone, but you're not monitoring yourself So you're you're standing there not listening, you know, listen to yourself through the air and you're so close to the microphone that it's like Hearing what is being described as loud whispering Well, whatever You could yeah, Dan you could send over a cup to load that audio into Absolutely, yeah, I mean give it a listen and then we can define Like you have to like taste it and All right, well we're gonna bring this chaos to a To a to an end with a whimper instead of a bang is And we'd like to thank our guests on tech talk this week Robert Robertson Andrew Peters and Robert Marshall from The pro audio suite and we'll wrap it all up and then George and I can go on with the rest of our lives right after this This is the land-lover narrator from Jane the Virgin Anthony Mendez and you're enjoying Dan and George on the voice of our buddy Shaw Hey there, I'm David H. 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