 This is a town hall, we just have very few people here, but I understand that because of the rain and wind and everything else, but also because we generally have fewer people and they see it, they record it, they see it. There's a saying in people that are on boards in different places, if people don't show up everything is okay. When people show up, then you've got a problem, right? A lot of people show up. So Bismillah. This is a construction update. You're going to get this started and then I'm going to turn it over to Sayyed by Sayyed is the chairman of the Board of Trustees here at MCC, he's also been, and a founder, one of the founders, but he's also been a founder of SRVIC and also a founder of ICPD. So behind the scenes, he's been doing a lot of work for decades, masha'Allah. So with that, we'll go through this pretty quickly and then we'll try to take questions at the end, insha'Allah. We're going to start with just for people that haven't been here that long, but also to connect why we're doing what we're doing. We're going to start with what is it we were trying to do when we put MCC together? What was the vision? Has it changed? Has it not changed? And then what are some of the priorities that we're trying to achieve or focus on? And then the second thing is sort of a realization, because it says MCC 3.0. If you think of MCC 1.0 as when we decided to do it and we were renting, and we had a Sunday school, but that was it. But then we were renting a property. You can think of that as MCO 1.0 and then 2.0, so that started in 2007, 2.0 you can think of in 2010 when we got this property. There's been 14, not shall I, 14 years. And we've been doing things, if I look back, 14 years seems like such a long time. We've been doing things slowly. If in terms of building the infrastructure and doing everything over here, we started with the two bathrooms, then we started with this room, then I think we put the carpet in over there, the carpet over there. Just those small things here and there, here and there. Sometimes the money came in, we started doing it a little bit here and a little bit here. The problem with that is, I thought that's all good. But now if you think about how large a community is and how much pressure is the wrong word, how much demand there is for doing more. That says, well, we got to turn up what we're doing in a very significant way. If you think about everything we heard in the past, all of us have heard of the past two years, three years. But what is being taught in schools? And education is a big part of what we do and our ability to really not fulfill that right now. Well, that says that's a problem and we have to go figure out how to adjust to that. And some of that came to the forefront when we tried to buy the land. And we walked away for a good reason. But one reason we walked away from it is, well, we wanted to build a school. And if you can't build a school, why are you getting the land? So I think that was a reality check on, we got to speed things up. We cannot do this, take another 14 years to slowly get to where we want to get to. And that's why I call it 3.0. So this is a major infrastructure change at a lot of things that we do at MCC. Most of when we talk construction, when we talk construction, we're talking about spaces, but what we really mean by spaces is a service, the education, the programs that you provide there. So that's really what's behind it. And then we'll talk about, well, why is it taking so long? Why does it take so long? How long is it going to take? What are you exactly trying to get done? How much is it going to be? We'll try to address all those questions also. So, bismillah. So I already talked about MCC 3.0. So that has to do with just accelerating what we're doing. We need to get things done in a two year, three year time frame, not in a 14 year time frame. Some things will take longer, but a lot of what we're talking about here needs to be done quicker. This is a vision, and I think a vision as a dot on the wall, that's what everybody is aiming for here, the baseball. We always thought of ourselves as a regional community center, not just for one city, a regional one and a bigger one, meeting all the needs of the community, and then also aiming to be like a model for what other masjid, masajid, the community center should follow. It's not a claim we make that we're that. We aim to be that. We want to be that. And you can read underneath what that means. I won't go through that in detail. So then, if you look at strategic priorities, if you look at the list, there's nothing new here. The language may have changed, and the circles, how we're labeling things may have changed. But there are a couple of things here that are different. One says Saturday school. So weekend school, not just on Sundays, but on Saturdays, we have to figure out how to do that. It's not easy to do, because it requires a lot more volunteers. But on the other hand, we've grown at least three or four times larger than we were five years ago, or six years ago. So there has to be a way to engage a larger set of volunteers that we're engaging today. K through 5. K through 5 is not new. If you look at our original bylaws, we always said we're going to have a K through 5. Now, the emphasis on it has to be higher, because of what's going on in the outside world. And we'd like to also figure out how do we make it more than that? How do we get a middle school? How do we get a high school? But we have to start with K through 5. And then we say, well, how do we do this completely properly? The rest of it, I won't read through. You've seen it's a list of things. The cafe is probably different than what we had thought about before. We're thinking of that as a space for younger Muslims, convert Muslims, where it can just be a hangout space. A space you just have tea, coffee, drinks, bobo, whatever. I don't know what that drink is. People talk about it. I actually don't know what it is. But whatever it is, it's sort of a hangout place, where you just hang. And I've been to different massages. And I've seen this in Imam Majid's in Virginia. They have a little kahwah. It's called the Kahwah, it's the cafe. It's a small area. And every Thursday, it is full. And there's nobody above 30 in there. And it is full every Thursday, because they have programs targeted towards younger people. And what they do over there, they have a, 40-minute talk. Then the person who's giving the talk goes away. Then somebody else comes in, and all his job or her job is to facilitate what people around the table. What did you hear? What did you like about your herd? So there's actually a real discussion going on, not just a talking head up top. I thought I was very, very wonderful. I was surprised. Everybody was engaged. This is what I heard. What do you think? The type of stuff you see at school all the time. So these are the priorities. It is very much education-centric, social events to bring us together as a family, services, cradle to grave, and then reaching out to beyond the Muslim community. That is the range of things we need to do. And now we'll go to construction plans. So that gives an idea of, if we're trying to do that, how do we do this with the spaces we have and the spaces we can create? That's what this discussion is really about. I'm going to go through this, and I'm going to turn it over to you. So Said Ma has done a lot of work on this in terms of how do we take this to the Hacienda Office Association? How do we take it to the city? How do we go through a approval process? What groups of things have it be done together because if you fix this, you got to fix this and fix this together. But if you touch this, be careful not to touch those sorts of things. So he's put this together in three packages. And I'm just going to turn it over to you and let you talk about the packages and also timing and everything else that goes with it. You should wear both. Bismillahirrahmanirrahim. As-salamu alaykum. Thank you all for coming. And braving this weather. We understand it's really bleak outside to say the least. It's windy, it's rainy, but this is something that the community has been asking for some time now, a construction update, and here we are. So as Brother Parvez started to say, mentioned the three packages, we've broken up the entire remodeling into three packages. Primarily, the reason is first of all, to see which functions fit together. And so that we can take that package through the approval process in a way that it is not held up because of one reason or the other. We operate the community center here under a conditional use permit. And you would see the abbreviation for that, the CUP. Under the CUP, we are allowed to do certain things. With a certain capacity of people. If we exceed those limits, and if we exceed the functionality, then we are required to go back to the city and ask for a modification, either a modification of the CUP or a new CUP. That is something that we want to avoid because for one, it takes a lot of effort and time. Some, if we are required to do a new CUP, it may go back to the city and we may have a public hearing and all the neighbors get involved. So it's a long process. So being able to avoid those that route, we broke the entire remodeling process into three processes, even if one package is held up because of one reason or the other. All other packages can proceed smoothly. So that was the rationale for breaking this up into three packages. Package one, as you see, is mostly the outside area. There's a picnic area with a trellis, a barbecue, a full-size basketball court, a park course with exercise equipment, outside Voodoo stations. A lot of people would appreciate that. The community would appreciate that because if you're running late, so that would certainly help the congestion. The children's play structure, open play field and EV charging stations. So that's part of the package too, yeah. So here's, I should say, a bird's eye view of the first package. As you can see, the basketball court on the far upper side. The green patch is the open play area. Behind that, on the left is the children's play structure and below that is the picnic area with a trellis on it. It may seem like it takes a lot of time to get to where, you know, to actually do the project. Before we actually go to the city for approval, we have to agree internally amongst ourselves and different groups and different, you know, the different people who are interested in all this. So even before going and applying to the city for a change or an approval, there is a process that we go through internally and we also want to make sure that the design that we come up with is follow, it follows a certain pattern. It follows a certain theme which we, of course being an Islamic center, we keep it close to that. So with that, let me go to the next slide which is package two. This package two is, gets more interesting in the sense we are planning to build a second story, add a second story to the existing MCC. It will not cover the entire MCC structure, the single story structure that you see now. It would cover as much as we could, which would be, you know, a partial covering and then pictorially what it looks like. I'll have another slide that you can take a look at. In addition to a second. Basically it starts here. It starts, it does start here above the conference room and then it builds out that way. And then it builds out as far as we can in terms of, you know, we end before we get into the tenants space. So we can't build on top of the tenants space. So everything above, that is the hallway, the bathrooms over the conference room and then out towards the parking lot. Roughly it covers about 14,000 square feet, if that helps. To get that in, to give that a context MCC area that you see currently is around 30,000 square feet that we use. So we're adding roughly 50% about 14,000 square feet for the second story. Then the second story, which is, which primarily would be used for the Saturday and the Sunday school, we have new admin offices below that, which would be on the first floor, which would also have additional conference rooms, youth lounges, James, men for men and women, a parent child with children's playroom, a library and a senior's lounge. We've all talked about this in the past and you may, if you have attended any of the previous updates, we've all talked about this. This is where we have actually put it down in black and white. And right now it is in the process of getting approvals. Yes. The lounges are on the first floor. Yes. Okay, Miss Vila. So the package one has been submitted. Yes. And package two also submitted? Yes. And package three. We'll, yeah, we'll get to it. As Red says, additional conference rooms. This is really the only teaching class area we have. It's a formal teaching class. So the idea is to have, not as big, but two additional ones, about half this size, where everything is all set up and we're gonna pass this there while these are going on all sides. So our buildings are multiple classes at the same time without going into the motion area. Yeah, I was just gonna say, we're gonna add additional conference rooms, not this size, but smaller size. Maybe half the size of some, a quarter of the size that are all ready to go multimedia, teach on the web, et cetera, right? Which today we run into conflicts just in this room itself. So that will broaden our ability to have more and more programs simultaneously. Basically only Sunday, Saturday and Sunday. And they're related, you know, like their admin office is a conference room for the teachers. And there's another slide we can go through. But all the lounges and everything are on the first floor. And we'll talk about it. Okay, great, thank you. So here's a drawing of the second floor and basically, as you can see, this is one of the sheets that we submitted for approval. Roughly it has about 25 classrooms. There's offices for admin. The conference room, there is a bathroom, set of bathrooms and a break room for the teachers. So it seems simple in the sense that, you know, a few lines draw a few boxes here and there. But there is a lot that goes on behind this. And the reason I say that, things like what we have to account for, the classrooms for, say, the special needs children have to be close to the bathrooms. So how do we design that? What is the city looking for in terms of the capacity? Are there enough exits? Are there enough staircases? So all those things have to be designed into, it looks simple, you know, just a few boxes here and there. But believe me, it's a lot more involved. There are two sets of stairs and an elevator that we would add. So here is a pictorial view of what the second story would look like. If you look at the slide A, that gives a real good picture. The lower structure is what we have now. But what we have today, you see the pink colored roof going around the structure, that's where we are today. The second structure is the layer above that. And that's what the second story will look like once we complete it. Other slides on this show, you know, what it looks like from other directions, north, west, south. But the basic concept is what you see in slide A. Here are the elevations. Again, the only emphasis that I was trying to make was the bottom layer here is what we have today. And the layer that you see above that is what we are building and adding as a second story. And again, this is one of the sheets that we have submitted for approvals. Package three is also interesting in the sense of, you know, we have to have food, of course. Yes, it can be used for K through five, but when we talk about K through five, that kicks in some other requirements just as, for example, it has to have a play area. If we have a K through five school, for it to be approved as a K through five school, we have to have a play area associated with the classrooms. So it is not designed for the K through five play area. Package one is not designed for that yet. But once we get into the process approvals, but that will be a separate approval from what we are doing now. K through five would come later. Once we are past this, once we have implemented this, then we would be in a position to address the K through five. Yeah, the strategy here is try to get this through without a CPU change, that may be a CPU change. We know for sure if we do a K through five, that is going to require public hearing and blah, blah, blah, blah, and holds off everything. So the idea is design as much as you can with the idea you may switch from boats on this Saturday and K through five, but only those things you can do without triggering everything else, right? So it's a little balance of trying to do in between. I'm sorry, the other thing I would just add on the, in addition to all the things on the second story, we will also be, and remain, this is not directly connected to Pack-A-Shoot, but has to do with the inside. We'll be raising the ceiling in the prayer area and the member, and the amounts will be able to come in from the outside directly into where the member is. And behind there is going to be a little Imam's room, and then behind there also a little room for Ethic Af for just a few people that are here all 10 days, not seven days. Yeah. Shani said, if you thought about it, that maybe in the future, we may be able to have the prayer area around the mosque somewhere, so that, I just thinking ahead for the future. Let's hold off on that question. There's a broader question about high school and middle school and so forth, but inshallah we can talk about that. Remind us, please. So Pack-A-Shoot III consists of a dining hall, a cafe, part of it, part of the cafe is covered, and an extension to that will be open. And associated with those would be a commercial kitchen, so that we can have proper food for the events. So here, as you can see, this is the first floor for packages II and IIIs. What you see in red on top is Pack-A-Shoot II first floor, and then on the extreme right-hand side is, just if I may point out, this is the Merab right now, and next to Merab is the Imam's room that Pervez talked about. These are the existing bathrooms, the parent-child area, play areas for younger kids, two additional conference rooms, another conference room, just the other side of this wall, of course a smaller size, and then there are admin offices as you enter the building on the left-hand side. Also, over here is the ladies lounge, and that opens into the, this is the ladies lounge, that opens into the ladies bathroom. Men's bathroom is over here on this side, next to the bathrooms here. This is the library, the senior center, and then the main lobby, and all this is part of the Pack-A-Shoot II. And keep in mind, the second floor that goes on top of this is also part of this Pack-A-Shoot II. Pack-A-Shoot III, here is the dining area. Roughly, we are looking at about 350-plus, able to accommodate 350-plus people. It may get to 400, but then, again, this is the package that we think most likely the city might want to revisit our CUP, and that's why we have bundled this as a separate package, so that if this takes longer, we can still be doing the other stuff, so we are not delayed. Here is the commercial kitchen. That serves the dining area on this side and serves the cafe on this side. So let's talk about where we are today and see where the three packages are. Package one, the CUP modification is not required, so we are within our limits, and we have already gotten the HACI and the Owners Association approval for that. And right now, it's been with the city for about three weeks now, and we are expecting a response very soon, I think next week, next Monday, I should be knocking the doors at the city hall to see where we are. Construction for the package one, we have already started, as you may have noticed outside, and part of the reason is we are doing those things which do not require any inspection or approval, so we are moving forward in being able to do that. Package two, we have verified that it does not require a CUP modification. HACI and the Owners Association has already approved it, and we will be applying to the city within a week or so. There are some additional things that the city wanted, like the renderings that we looked at for the second floor, and they want to make sure the color scheme and everything blends with the rest of the office buildings in this office complex. Package three is also ready, and at this moment we are anticipating that the city might want to review our CUP. The CUP modification is relatively simpler than going for a new CUP altogether, so let's see what they come back with and see what they want, and then we can take it from there. We will be applying to the HACI and the Owners Association within a week or two with that package. I would like to mention that the association approval is most more difficult than that of the city. They are very thorough, and they check everything to the last detail. Once you have that approval, the rest of the city approvals are mostly mechanics, which we think we can handle easily. Brother Zahid, did I answer your question? Yes. A conditional use permit. That brings us to numbers. How much does all this cost, and how much have we spent? We actually went back and said, let's not just tell you how much we are doing now. Let's go back five years, and how much have we been spending? You will see a set of numbers, and on the left it is by area. That is the big table on your left-hand side. On the right top, it is roughly by year. The numbers are not exactly. Approximately, they are close. They are not exact. We look at furniture, the couches, the offices, about 25,000 of the lobby itself, which includes the doors, the windows, the woodwork, the drywall, or the gypsum wall, some people call it, or wallboard. Sometimes the sheet metal behind it, the woodwork, the staining, the ceiling, and all of that stuff, about 135,000. That includes the ducting, the electrical, blah, blah, blah. If you look at that ceiling, that is actually a pretty strong ceiling on that side. You can actually use the part that is not part of the second story for storage. There is a lot of space up there. Prayer, the glass partition that is over here, the shoe racks, the flooring, the new offices, fire alarm, painting, staining, the roof, the HVAC, parking lot, et cetera, et cetera. That looks like a lot, and it is a lot. It is $900,000 plus over the last five years. If you look at it by year, most of it has been done post-COVID. We did a little bit of pre-COVID. That is 2019, virtually zero in 2020, because nobody was doing anything. The construction workers were not available. They weren't allowed to come out. And 21 also was slow COVID year. And then last year was a very significant set of money spent. A lot of that also, by the way, if you look at just down here on consulting, the people we use to help us plan stuff. One of the things, as I mentioned, that the HOA, the Hacienda Office Association, is very strict. They wanted to know exactly what lights we're going to have where, and they wanted a photometric study to see how much light is going to be going to the neighbors. So you hire a specialist to do that. And that's another extra month, two months. You don't know they're going to do that until you're in the process. We were talking about having the basketball. They wanted a six-foot fence around it. We wanted something higher. That was an argument he had, see what I had with the HOA going back and forth. That was like three weeks. And when you say what takes so long, if anybody has done construction, there are all sorts of things that pop up that you are not expecting, and it just takes long. Lurie does. And I will say, I was doing this completely 100% volunteer. There's no dollars. There's no personal benefit at all. Inshallah, there's great personal benefit in terms of blessings. In terms of blessings. And then, so that's how much we've spent so far. We'll talk about how much we think we're going to spend going forward. And then we also said, well, how much have we raised? And that's the bottom right-hand side, by year. There's money, donations for the building fund or the construction fund. So there's $780,000 we've raised. I did not include in that, by the way, there's a $50,000 donation for the library that somebody gave very specifically for that. They want their name on it, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So since we haven't spent it, that money is apart. We've just allocated it separate. Because we don't want to touch that money somebody gave it for a purpose. It is for that purpose. So one question to ask is what's going on here. You spent $900,000 plus. You only had $780,000. Where is the magic? How did you do it? Well, this is donation money. Some of the money that we get from the rent also goes here. In the early years some of it meant for operations. Now we're trying not to have it all go for operations so that we still have to raise a lot of money. But it'll reduce the amount of money we have to raise if that money can help on the construction side. And that's about $25,000 a month. And we don't want to use every penny that's in the construction account because something bad, a bad weather. We've got to keep $100,000 or some number like that just in the bank, never use it just in case, you know, money. So we have to be careful how we look at this. So that's how much we spent. Yes? It's 931, yeah. 931 is the spent by year, right? How much we spent? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The difference is just in the, yeah. Think of it as roughly 900 plus, 1,000 in each category. Okay. Okay. So that's how much we've spent. Now this gets interesting is how much all these things are going to cost. And these are estimates. In some cases they're bottoms up. Most of them are bottoms up approximates. In some cases we know most of it but we don't know the section of it but we know all the other part around it. So package one is going to cost about $600,000 and that's all the outside stuff. Everything outside, right? Which includes, by the way, a sewer line that's going to go underneath certain things. So that's, you don't, we don't talk about that but there's other things going on that make it expensive. The basketball court by itself is going to be expensive. We have to redo the parking lot, the number of parking spots in the entire area. Required now. We have to have X number of EV stations. We have no choice on this. Required, right? So once you start touching things, the city has all these other requirements and if you've got houses, you know that. You have to come up to, you have to come up to the recent requirements, permit requirements, then rather versus the grandfather ones, once upon a time ago. So that's the least expensive one. Well, not the least expensive one. That is sort of the expensive one but the really expensive one is package two because you are putting a second story. Everything is up there is going to be new and the foundation below has to be strengthened, right? And we're putting two staircases and we're putting in bathrooms up there and we're putting in an elevator up there. So that becomes very, that all adds up. And it's all the things downstairs we're doing also which is additional conference rooms. There's going to be a gym, a lounge, a library on that side, a library on that side. Am I missing anything? Other offices. And also the upbringing of the machinery here itself. Approximately 1.6 million. Now you may say that's a lot but think about this. You're getting 14,000 square feet for 1.6 million. You cannot buy 14,000 square feet for 1.6 million. Just not available. 1.6 million will get you a 3,000 square foot house. That's what 1.6 million will get you, right? Just think about a way of thinking about it, right? This will get you four times as much or five times as much. Yeah, there's a question in the back. I'm sorry if this question was answered earlier but do you mind explaining what happened with the Livermore Land Purchase Attempt? Yeah, just put out a hold and we'll do that to get through this. Thank you. Yeah, go ahead. How much of the funding is secure or nothing is secure? I would say the reason I'm only hesitating is because we had a lot of money that came with the land and a lot of it is being returned, right? So how much and I think we're about 80% probably returned? Yeah, so there's a little more, right? We can probably cover package one. We can probably cover package one with the funds that are here. Beyond that, we have to raise. But we don't want to wait until the last minute to raise either, right? Can I ask you, I have two more questions. For package one, are we losing any parking spots or are we adding more? Are we plus or minus one or two, right? So for the entire property, we have about 307 parking stalls. So after doing all this and taking into account the newer requirements that you have to have, all the EV stations, you have to have the carpool parking stalls for van pools and all, we will end up with maybe one less parking stall out of the 307. And we're trying to even get that back so that we have the same parking stalls that we have today. And with the parking shortages that we have, are we looking at any multi-level parking in the future? We did do an exercise to come up with how much it's going to cost. And the cost was very prohibitive. To do another structure, like a parking structure, is what you're talking about. Underneath or above, either way. Yeah, it's not like how we say in shopping centers, right? It takes two spaces, but you can park 10 cars. Yeah, yeah. Something similar. Yeah, the cost is really prohibitive to do a separate parking structure. Okay. Okay. So any questions on costs? What this says is we're going to have to raise about 2.7 million. The first one we can cover. We're going to raise about 2.7 million. We're going to start this Ramadan. I'm not expecting to raise 500,000 or a million or anything like that. But just get the process going. Get people getting excited about this. Inshallah, maybe raise a couple of hundred thousand dollars, maybe 300,000. So it's a number we've done before, right? And then we will do what we used to do before. For those of you that haven't been here a long time, and some of you have been here a long time, we're going to go rent a hotel. We're going to make it a big deal. Get everybody excited. The food's over there. Everybody's going to look at each other and talk. Bring a great speaker. And we'll raise, you know, four or five hundred thousand dollars. Right? And we'll have to do that twice a year. Because we want to get this done in the next two years. We don't want to get this done. We don't want to wait 14 years. Right? So there are two ways to do this. Right? Get into a habit of raising money and set the expectation that we're going to be doing that. Right? And it's for us. It's not for us. Me. It's for us. Right? And then the other is one, getting people getting used to it and just shortening the time. And then if we have to go to the Karzai-Hassan route, we'll go to Karzai-Hassan route. Because we know when we did the land, somebody asked about the land, we know in a very brief period. Right? In a 60-day period, we had raised a little over three million, I think. Yeah, close to three million. And about half was less than half was cash. And the other half was Karzai-Hassan. And it came like this. And then we started, we stopped doing it. Because we had a clear idea this is not going. Right? So we stopped doing it. So the capacity to raise money is here. The interest is here. If it's a good project, it's not a good project people won't give. Right? But if you ask the question, do you want more services here? Do you want more rooms, classrooms where we can do more programs? Do you want a place where kids can play? Do you want a place where youth can play basketball? Or a little running area? Do you want a place where there's a library? Do you want a place where there's a ladies' gym that can just hang? There's a men's gym that can just hang. There's a lounge. And there's an outside cafe you can just hang. Right? That's all going to be there. Right? And the thing that makes it so much different is right now we have a very open area. And as everybody knows, it can become crazy because everybody runs around. This gives spaces for activities defined. Right? And then it's just a matter of what do we want to do with them? Right? Turn it up. Right? Yes. I think we're... You're saying you just said that I believe that you want to try to believe? You guys haven't talked about the vaccine. Is it really possible? Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, what do you really... You need three things, right? To get something done. You need something approved. You need the money. And then you need the time to sort of manage the project. Right? Up until now nothing's been approved until this very recently. And that's in the constructions actually for phase one is in process. Right? We're expecting it to be done, the approval process. We are expecting the approval process to be done, I would say, four to six weeks. And then, inshallah, the goal is to have package one done by this fall. Inshallah. That's the goal. Unless we hit anything unforeseen that the city might want additional studies, they might want any additional information or they might want to... It's unknown at this point what the city might come back with in terms of questions. But our goal is to have package done by this fall, inshallah. Yeah. And I will say, I think there's a difference between vision and execution. Right? And we started talking about this two and a half years ago, probably. Right? And but if you realize it was until, not last the year before, we did the survey of, okay, do you really want full court, half court, that the... Yeah, these things have their cycle of time. I think we, I could have done better in just saying, look, we're at the early stage here. We have to go through a detail stage and then you have to go through an execution stage. Right? We're completing the detail stage. Right? It's the way I think about it. We're completing the detail stage. Because, you know, when two packages are... I mean, three packages are ready to go. Now it's just, okay, flow it out. Money is going to constrain us, not initially. Money will constrain us here. Which is why I want to get that process started now. And then people are going to ask, well, wait a minute. Were you raised money? And when nothing came through, why should we give? But the answer is going to be the question you just raised. Right? If you don't give now, this will get stopped. Because now we are on the other side of this. It isn't going through the approval process. Yeah. Lots of hands. So I have actually one question and one suggestion. Yes. For the K-25, putting the education in the very first one, but I don't see any timeline for when it's like it's 2030 or when is the plan for the... For package two? No, no. But the school, the K-25, I think K-5. Yeah, yeah. Elementary school. When is the plan? Okay. That is one question. And another suggestion. This is actually not a question. That in our community, I don't see... Actually, we have a lot of professionals here. I don't see any engagement. Actually, for example, when somebody loses job, or some university student looking for job internship, actually in Bay Area, in the U.S., what I see that networking is very important. And when you have a referral, actually, they look at your resume. And when you have a referral, they don't even trade as in how good you were. And in Hindu community, Indian community, they're very powerful. When they actually lay off in Metra or Google, I saw how they have the Salesforce, how they help each other. In our community, we don't have anything. And actually, I'm willing to help you. Actually, I volunteer for this kind of thing so we can make a community that when we can help each other, actually when somebody loses job, when the university student looking for internship, we can do that, actually, because we have a thousand Muslims here, and they work in different places. We can help each other. And I'm willing to volunteer. I don't say you do it. I'm willing to do it, actually, but I need help, actually, to do this thing. Okay. So, Bismillah. Okay. So, there were two questions here. There's K-5 and then the other question about resume building and job hunting and so forth. So, please do volunteer. There have been resume classes here. I know there have been several classes over the last year, resume building classes and so forth. No, no, I understand. I'm just saying that's one tiny aspect. Do volunteer. The first thing I would do if I were you is get other volunteers to work with you. Get a group, and then you can make it work. With respect to K-5, and I also want to answer the land question. Somebody I think is not here anymore. The K-5 question. The K-5 question is a very interesting question. I think we have to do things in parallel. Okay. By parallel, I mean we have to do a second story for Sunday Saturday School. If that can become K-5, that's fantastic. Okay. I think that's going to be hard, and I think it's going to take time. I think at the same time, we have to do exactly what we did with the land. We have to start getting serious about this, and we have to say, okay, is there something available that we can buy? Okay. Because it'll solve several problems. It'll be a second location. It'll offset all the parking. Everything we're doing, by the way, is going to cause more parking issues. Right? Not quite as bad as Friday, but it'll cause parking issues. So having a second location is actually also important. Right? So while we're doing this, we are going to keep an eye to see if there's anything that makes sense for us that can be a school. It's going to be rare that we can just buy a school as is. I don't think that's going to happen. I don't know if it does. That's fantastic. Having said that, we can look for smaller spaces that we can convert into schools. Yeah. Let's do this. We're going to take a prayer break, and after that, right after, right after Farth, we'll do some quicks in there, and then we'll come back, but only for 15 minutes. I don't want it to drag out because everybody will start leaving anyway. Yeah. And then we'll open it up for everybody else that may be remote. Yeah. We'll check. Are there any online questions? Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Allahu akbar. Assalamu alaykum wa rahmatullah Assalamu alaykum wa rahmatullah sakhf Allah sakhf Allah sakhf sakhf Allah sakhf Peace be upon you Peace be upon you Peace be upon you May Allah grant us to thank you and promise us what good things we've done Allah will give us good things in this world and in the Hereafter may Allah grant us the good things that we have done May Allah grant us a good thing Yeah, he should be coming back. We'll get started and say he should be coming back. So let me just answer the one question about land that was asked earlier. So in terms of land, we actually announced this back a while ago. You were the person that asked about land, right? Yeah, we announced this back a while ago and there's a whole talk back in July that we did similar type of town hall. But basically the land had two or three fundamental issues. One was the zoning was stricter than we even thought it was. And that has to do with A80, I just to say zone A with 80 acres. They're very, very stricter than it was allowed there. So basically, if it's agriculture related, OK. But I think outside of agriculture, the answer is no. Second thing is we got at least four endangered species. And the issues of how to deal with an endangered species are very, very complex. And there are four different agencies, two state agencies and two federal agencies, the US Army Corps, the US Fish and Life, something or the other, and the state versions of those. And then the cost per species per acre to pay off, like I'm going to work, was very, very high. We looked at those two things. It was like, well, I can't build a school. I can't do this. I can't do this. Why am I getting the land? It was beautiful land, by the way. But then we said, no, we walked away from it. There was a question, as the sister asked earlier, why can't we do the dining hall and the cafe first? And the reason that I think said I already answered had to do with there's a higher risk of a CUP change or modification being required. And therefore, that's the last in the package to go through. Yeah, go ahead. We'll go back and forth. So basically, I think you touched on this a little bit. But I was wondering if any of these construction changes help mitigate the problems on Fridays with the congestion. No, I think it actually makes the congestion worse. It won't make the congestion on Friday worse, but it will make the congestion worse, because we're going to have more activities here going on all the time. Saturday schools, Sunday schools, shouldn't make that. It doesn't really cause that much congestion. It causes a lot of hubbub and activity, but not a lot of congestion. So that is why I think it's really important for us in addition to doing everything we're doing is to, it's very easy to say, look, just do this. But five years are going to come and go. And we better have a school here in five years. So we can't just say, this is all we're going to do. And not start looking for buying some other stuff, because we will be outside the capacity of all the things we want to do at this place. So we will look. If you find something tomorrow, we'll gen it up tomorrow. But until we find something that is the right thing for what we're looking at, then we stick to this path. Oh, yeah, the land actually is not that far. It just seems far, right? No, if we did a school, I think we're limited to Pleasanton, Dublin, and maybe the southern side of San Ramon. And that's about it. I think that's the area. And unfortunately, that is the expensive area. And that's also the area that's hard to find available spaces. The good news is there is commercial space. I mean, commercial properties are not doing well right now. And something may pop up. We are looking at things. Something may pop up that's like, OK, it's good enough. You want to be a little careful of good enough may not be really good enough, if you be careful of what I just said, because you don't want to make that, oh, it's a well over $5 million. Let's go do it. But it means 80% of our needs, and we really need 95% met. So we have to always make those judgments and not just jump on something we see at the first site. Let him finish his question, follow-up question. I'll go back to you. OK. Do we have a dependency on phase one and phase two and phase three? What if the city approves phase two and phase three as well? So can we take phase three as preference over phase two? Like changing the order of phase one, phase one, Alhamdulillah, started, but phase two and phase three, if we get the approval for both. So phase three has a dependency on phase one. In the sense that the commercial kitchen, we have to run a sewer line outside the building along the area where our picnic area is going to be and connect to the sewer line on the street. So if worse come to worse, if we don't have the approval for phase three, by the time we are ready to start phase one, we will allocate some means in implementing phase one so that we have to do minimum work when we implement phase three. So the impact is kept minimum. So phase two, as per se, does not have a dependency on any of the other phases. Inshallah, that's the plan. You want to repeat the question? So the question is a timeline for phase two. For phase one, we talked about a goal for completion of this fall, inshallah. For phase two, the timeline seems to be fall of next year, completion date. So that's the goal. Partly if you recognize is we have to figure out what to do at Sunday School while we're doing this work, right? So when is the best time to do it? So there's timing, other timing issues involved also. We'll be on new permits, inshallah. 2025. 25, 25, 25. 24, 25, 25. OK, inshallah. 25. When we do phase two, so this complete area will be not usable when we're doing that. Or we can use this space as well as construct the level two. This area on this side of the prayer hall will not be usable. OK, thank you. Because we'll be constructing on top of this. So, I come back. Wow, thank you so much. Have you put into consideration that when people play on the basketball courts for package one, that the neighbors will be affected by the noise? So it's a consideration that the association, Hacienda Owners Association, take into account. And they have considered that. And they do not see that as an issue for the neighbors, for the noise. The city might come back and place some restrictions on the timing of the use of the basketball court. They may say that you cannot go beyond, say, 10 PM or 9 PM at night. So as not to disturb the neighbors. But as of now, we have the approval from the Hacienda Association. And we do not have any restrictions placed from them. Yeah, I would just assume that it's a no-go after-a-sha. Like after-a-sha, you don't play outside, something like that. That may just be our own restrictions also on top of that. As-salamu alaikum. I have two things for the noise thing. I think probably for the basketball court, you have a gate and lock it. Because what happened, what happened? I'm seeing that during Ramadan, at sometime midnight, people praying for some youth, actually, they're walking around. They may come at 3 AM, probably that. Maybe we have a gate, just so we can lock it. The plan is to have a gate. Thank you, Mr. Zagala Khairan. And the second thing, actually, you're talking about the school. We may have the San Nemon, South Dublin, or Pleasanton. I'm thinking that because here is very expensive, why don't you consider Livermore? Because Livermore means walking cheaper. And I saw a lot of my friends actually now go to the Hayward for the school in here. And some of my personal, I know of my friend. For the Islamic school, they moved from Pleasanton to Sacramento, Brentwood, and other. And I think Mountain House, they have another school right now. So they're moving from, actually, only for the school. And somebody moved to Dallas. I know one person, he lived here, only for Islamic school. They're moving to Dallas for this one. So if you think about that people are moving outside of our community, only for the school. So maybe Livermore is cheaper option, maybe. So I think those are some good ideas. A couple of things I would say is the examples you gave, I think of those as exceptions. That doesn't mean there is not a trend. There is a trend because things are just too expensive here. So you start moving outside of here. So there is some of that trend also going on. Livermore is a potential. It just has to be close. Because the majority of the people that we're talking about tend to be on this side. And Livermore, I used to live in Livermore. Livermore ends up, people come in, go out, come in, go out, come in, go out. Except for the people at a few places like the laboratory. If you can find the right place, like on this side of Livermore, it's better. If you go further out, I think you just won't see that many people taking this traffic. Because you know that small distance can be horrific on 580, both ways, depending on what time you're doing it. Because I've done the commute myself. I lived in Livermore, so I know. But Livermore is a potential just to be on the right closer on this side. Anything else? Yeah. I just want to say thank you for the presentation. Alhamdulillah. Alhamdulillah. Alhamdulillah. Yeah, the only thing I would say is, I think the question everybody's raising here are valid questions and has to do it. Why has this taken so long? Which is a very valid question. And my answer would be the same as I said before. If you've gone through a large construction project in your house, this is 3X, the complexity. And you're not just dealing with the city, you're dealing with the Hacienda Owners Association. And then two, we have to tell people in advance to get discussion going, to get feedback, to go through that process. And the clock starts here when we start talking about it, when we're not ready. We're now talking about the idea of maybe we'll buy something if there's something available. But that may take two years, three years to find. But we have to get the discussion going. The clock starts when we get the approval. That's when the clock really starts. Because then nothing happens. You can do all the planning, all the detail work, but no execution starts. But you need to have the money before you get the approval because otherwise, then you're stopped. So that's a combination of all those. But I think we should have done a better job of explaining that upfront. I think that we would have done better. Yeah, this is one last question. And then we're done in 15 minutes. Yeah, go ahead, please. I'm really pleased with all these ideas that we have. I'm especially excited for the cafe that we're going to mention. But I was also wondering, I know Alhamdulillah, this masjid sometimes has some knowledge seminars, like maybe two, three times a year. Like I know recently Shahiq Yahya came and talked about Muhammad and the Quran and we also had that 40 Hadith seminar. But I was wondering if we could also consider having more regular, consistent opportunities for seeking knowledge, like perhaps like a weekly Tafsir class or maybe a short talk between Mughrab and Isha Salah or some other time where people can be available or even, I think Salaamun Masjid a while ago also had like a introduction to the Urdu language for several weeks. Yeah, yeah. Or another idea could be besides this religious education, there's a lot of software engineers Alhamdulillah in this community. We can have like for the youth maybe an introduction to C++ on the weekends or something like that. Yeah, some of that we've done a little bit of and not a lot of, but I would say all of these things are all, they're all good and we should do all of them. They're ones that we should drive a little bit ourselves but we're welcome to be driven by everybody, right? So it doesn't take much. You know somebody that wants to do this. They go through the process with Manir, we look at it and off you go, right? We've had a few. What we desperately need though is so a fundamental curriculum that everybody can go through, right? This is what you need to know about your Akhida. Akhida not in a legalistic, not in a pure legalistic way, just understanding what do we believe in, right? What the theology is. Fundamental understanding of the Quranic language. Understanding of Arabic. Understanding of, the list goes on, right? There are about 67 areas we shall have curriculum that is base level, medium and advanced, right? For different sets of people. I think we can start doing this. I think we have people in the community can do it. We just have to get it organized and get it done. We did Alhamdulillah Quran Tafsir, Surah Yasin Tafsir, a series with Sheikh Talal. We have done that. And also the question on the software side we have introduced and we have brought one of the big AI guru to the community. So, we are working. This is for the board of directors or board, MCC board question. You can, even committee works on these things. So you can check with them. Okay. Bismillah. JazakAllah. Everybody, thank you so much.