 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump! Mind pump! With your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this extra-handsome episode of Mind Pump for the first 46 minutes, we do an introductory conversation. We talk about how Netflix stock dropped like 14 points, right? Went down a lot quite a bit. Then we talk about Adam's Everly Well Boo-Boo, a little Owie, on his finger from taking the... He doesn't like those little pricks. Omega, that's the big ones. Omega 3 Test. We are sponsored by Everly Well, so we got you guys a discount. If you go to everlywell.com, enter the code Mind Pump, you'll get 15% off any of the tests. Then Justin talks about changing his dog's dog food and found some from Thrive Market. Thrive Market is the largest online retailer of non-GMO organic products, including skin care products, including food products, including cleaning products. Pretty much everything you're going to need or want. Even products for your skin, this is where you can get your deodorant, your skin care. Do you still have some listeners that don't use Thrive? Dude, the discounts on there are phenomenal. You'll buy things for the same prices, you'll get them, their conventional counterparts. So things that are non-organic, in other words. Great place to go. If you go to ThriveMarket.com forward slash Mind Pump, we got you a massive, massive discount and deal. Here's what you're going to get. One month for free, $20 off your first three orders of $49 or more, and free shipping. Then we talked about the studies that showed that you can actually erase particular memories in mice. It's a little scary. C.A.A. is probably doing that right now. Yeah, I'm sure they are. We talked about how paleo now includes bread. That's right. What? Find out in this episode what the hell I'm talking about. Oh my God, bread's so paleo? Yeah. Then we talked about Johnson and Johnson's baby powder. They just lost a major lawsuit causing ovarian cancer. That's crazy. Yeah, let's put asbestos in there. Yeah, let's put it on my balls now. Yeah, you let them sweat a little bit. Then we talked about fecal transplants and autism studies show that kids getting fecal transplants from people with healthy guts dramatically reduce their symptoms of autism. Then we get into the questions. The first question was, can you build your muscles but not get stronger? Kind of a weird question, but it's also a good one. We get into an interesting discussion in that part of this episode. The next question was, what is the worst injury that we've ever experienced and what did we do to recover from it? The next question was, what do we think about the latest steroid use scandals in CrossFit? They're now testing their athletes. They've banned a few of them. They're pretty strict. Do we think it's going to hurt or help the growth of the sport? And finally, the last question. 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Did you call Justin or did you guys, you know, the shirt thing? Is that something that you guys have been planning a lot lately? Oh, Doug and Justin are wearing a shirt together. Hey, yesterday it was you and Doug, so I felt left out. Well, I feel like Doug's being a shirt whore right now. Make up your mind, Doug. You either dress like me. Which team are you? Or like Justin. I actually really like, I don't have any of the stay authentic ones like these. Those are the best ones. They are the best ones. They're the most like... I would actually wear them. They're like classic style. Yeah. We need to do more of these. Wear them with jeans or whatever. I'm surprised those didn't sell as crazy as I would have thought. Like they didn't do that great. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Did we sell out of them? No. We still have them? Yeah, we go. Those are the best looking ones. Yeah. I agree. Yeah, by far. I like the blue one the most. And I like stay authentic too. I just like the same. I really like the red one. Yeah, but it's assuming someone's authentic to begin with. Maybe that's the problem. It's what everybody says. There's criminals out there. Yeah, there's a bunch of fucking... They didn't sell out posters. They didn't sell out because of a bunch of fake motherfuckers out there. Like, oh, I can't stay authentic. You know what? I'm okay with shreds. You know, staying authentic. I like beast mode. Yeah, beast mode. Maybe kill everything. Oh my gosh. Such a funny... Who came up with that term? Beast mode. You don't know where that's from? No. With the original? Where did it come from? It's trademark, dude. It's trademarked by fucking... What's his face? By beast mode. By Marshawn Lynch. Oh. Yeah. Turn on beast mode. Yeah. There's a whole thing behind it. Like when they started calling him that back. I believe it started all the way back to when he was high school. So his buddy, he's a high school buddy. Which, by the way, when I met him... Did he play for the Seahawks? Yes. Damn. Yeah, he actually still is in the NFL right now. He's the guy with the dreadlocks, right? Well, yeah. He's got long hair. Dang! Where's he at? Where's he at now? NFL. Place for the Raiders now. I was going to say the Raiders. Or is that what you were going to say? You were on a roll there. I'm going to say the Cincinnati Raiders. So check this out. Cincinnati. The story goes that in high school, they used to say... His buddy used to say that, but they're like high school buddies used to say that. And as he started to blow up, they started to make t-shirts. People were starting to make banners, and they were giving him skittles. That was that whole thing. Skittles, what? Hold on. Yeah, so that was like... There was this thing that he used to eat skittles before every game. Oh, okay. So people in Seattle would throw skittles on the field and stuff when he'd come out and shit. Oh, that's cool. That's cool. Hey, I learned a new urban dictionary word. Say it. I'm not going to define it. You have to look it up for yourself. Wait, wait. Can we guess? Yeah, you got to guess. Let's do this. I'll play this game. Bro, I died when I heard this for the first time. Wizard sleeve. That's got to be an uncircumcised shaft. No, it's a condom. It's a condom. No, it's not a condom. A wizard sleeve. What is it? The width of it. Now you see me, now you don't. I'm thinking like you're uncircumcised. No. Picture what a wizard sleeve looks like. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. It's hanging down like a triangle and flappy. Yeah. Of vagina. It's a vagina, isn't it? Did Justin get it? He did. Wow, that is really good, Justin. Well, think about it. It's like triangular. Yeah, it's just kind of like a big wizard sleeve. I've never heard that being referenced. Bro, isn't that the best thing you've ever heard in your life? Wizard sleeve. We're friends with the wizard sleeve this weekend. Who told you that? It was in a text. I'm in a group text with my cousins and stuff. And basically all we do on there is, here's what happens in this group text. They're all investment people. So my cousins, my friends, all of them are investors of some sort, whether they're in real estate or they actually work for banks and they're, you know, what are they called? Investment bankers or whatever. So 99% of it is, you know, this fucking thing is moving this way and the charts show this and it looks like the matrix and I look at half the shit. I'm like, I can't read any stuff. And then the other 1% is shit talking. Speaking of that, did they text about buying Netflix right now? No, wow. It's down 14%. It's down 14%. What happened? Netflix crashed after the, well, then crash. It dropped 14 points. Because of their spending? No, because they didn't hit their projections for quarter one. They were like off by like over a million subscribers. And so it dropped now. There's more competition. Well, yeah, dude. I mean, with Disney and Hulu and what we see going on with Prime right now. I mean, the race is on. I tell you what, just a year and a half ago or so, I was a big believer in Netflix. I still am, dude. I think that they're going to be king. You want to know why I'm hesitant to say that now? Is I've been disappointed in some of the movies they've done. So that was the big thing. Like with Will Smith. Yeah. Did you guys watch that? It was good for a second. And then they kind of jumped the shark a little bit, right? And it got kind of bad. They had all the components of what could have been. Yeah, it could have been good, but yeah, they blew it. Now that's a great point, right? So I think this is where the algorithm is just not enough, right? So I think they did a great job of hacking the algorithm of all the things that you would want, right? I think that's right on point by saying that. You're attracted to it. It's like, man, something about this. I like this. It's funny. It's all guns of guns and explosive shit. Great actor I love. Aliens with Will Smith always tends to work. Yeah, right. That's a good formula. But then it's just like, you know, just didn't, it didn't have a crescendo, right? It didn't have something where you're like, that was... Yeah, what's funny about, let's deconstruct that a little bit. So you have Will Smith with aliens, but also you remember him from Bad Boys. So he was like a cop, a detective. And so like he nailed those roles. And so they're like trying to mash all this shit into one movie. It reminds me of the old, it was an old TV series that was fucking awesome on TV. It was in the 90s, I think it was the 90s or 80s where one of the cops, it was almost the exact same story. Aliens came to earth, we accepted them, and then it's like so many years into that. Were they bald? One of them was bald, they looked like... Yeah, I remember that. He had the spots on his face. Yeah, he had like the Gorbachev looking, you know, birthmark things. I remember that. And they were weird and they drank sour milk. It was called V. I think it was called V. Was that the name of it, Doug? I don't remember. But anyway, it was the same exact premise. It was almost the same exact premise. And that was a good show. That show was really good. I do remember that show. But I do think that this is where Netflix may not win, dude. And for a minute there, we were talking about just a year ago or so, we were talking about them kind of taking over Hollywood and kind of blowing it up, right? And I had a lot of confidence in what they're doing. But now seeing the movies, it makes me question like, okay, well, if you don't have the writers, if you don't have the real artists that are the creators. Yeah, I totally agree with that. I think, yeah, that's definitely like the Hulu and Disney combo is dangerous. Right. That is a huge threat. But I do think they could turn that around just as simple as like getting Stephen King's and getting like real writers to come in and like create these movies and storylines for them. But actually, he actually like, I think they got Stephen King. Was it like something castle? Anyway, he's got a new show coming out. I think it's on Hulu. The other thing that I, this is what I like so much about tech is that many times you look at a business that's on top and you think, oh, they're dominating. Nobody could ever overcome them or nobody can beat with them or compete. And we get proven wrong every single time. It's such a competitive market. Like good luck trying to dominate and maintain dominance. People are going to be at your heels the entire time. They just are. I mean, Amazon did it to Google for searching for products. Amazon flipped that on its head. People don't realize how big of a deal that was when that happened. So we'll see what happens. What we need is competition for Comcast. Come on. Now, you know why that's bullshit? Do you know why that's so hard to compete? Because they regulated so much, it's impossible to like, that's regulated by the phone companies and stuff. It's like the cell phones. Yeah, it's bullshit. It's all wrapped into it. Yeah. I saw that they're finally at least like Google's like taking actual like wire and bringing it all the way across to like Spain or whatever. But like, so they're actually laying down all the fabric in the fiber optic cable to make it so they can have like, you know, internet capability, but it's like, dude, when? Like, how come it's taking so long, dude? They need competition so bad, man. It's just, it's every year they increase their rates for some reason. Well, you're limited. What's your options? Yeah, what are you going to do? It's like 18T is like dog shit. Like I can't even get that in my area where I'm at. Yeah, we definitely need more competition. I think it's coming though, don't you? I mean, I think it's only a matter of time. Well, I know. I'm just, I'm an antsy dude. Well, companies like Facebook have talked about putting blimps in the air to give people free Wi-Fi and, you know, satellite and all these other options. It's happening. There's such a big market for it and there's how many people are like you? Think about that, Justin. How many people are pissed off? People with no chip immediately. That company can suck it. Yeah, they're being protected right now by these old archaic laws that make competing with them impossible. You know, that's the deal. How's your finger doing, Adam? You okay now? Do you keep that band-aid on? We're in this interview. We had Ryan Mikler from Order Man. Great guy, by the way. Fucking love that guy. Anyway, we're hanging out with them doing a podcast. Adam's talking and Adam's waving his hands like he normally does. Waving my hands. Yeah. You know, like, hey. Talk with my hands. He's just like, hello kitty sticker. Yeah, and I'm like, like, I'm looking at his finger and I'm like, what happened? He's got like his big old, like, bandage on his finger. I'm like, damn. Well, who did you? He must have injured himself. Okay, so no, this fucker has a nurse for a while. So I know he didn't do it. Did you do your own? Yeah. It's so stupid. It's the easiest thing in the world. Oh my God. I don't know, dude. What do you mean you don't know? It's so easy. It's not a matter of it easy or not. Were you like flinchy? Like, ah. No. I mean, you see, you see. Hi, hi, hi. You saw the Insta story. I mean, Taylor Insta story, the whole thing, me doing it, but there's just something about stabbing yourself and the way it's designed. It just does it real quick. Yeah, but you can't see it, right? So it's like you can't. I don't know. It like stamps you. So here's the thing. So you don't know how big the needle is. Yeah. I don't know how hard I gotta push. Oh, trust me. I'm not. I just rolled my eyes so hard I saw my brain. So we're talking about the Everly Well test and some of the tests are saliva, like the testosterone ones that we did. Yeah. And some of the tests actually use blood. We'll use a drop of blood. And what they do is they give you this little, for people who have diabetes, they know exactly what this is. So people with diabetes will use these things all the time because they'll have to test their blood for blood sugar. Right. It's this little device and the needle is literally the smallest needle of all time. It's the size of a fucking, You could barely even bleed with it. It's so, yeah. Squeeze it out. You have to like squeeze and massage your fingers. That's not the point, asshole. That's not the point. Bro, you use a fucking, a 20-ticky. This guy used a 21 or 22 gauge needle three inches long. Yeah, put in your ass cheek. Oh my God. And you're afraid of a little bit. That's such a good point. Well, let me tell you, that was a, there was a fucking learning curve in a while for that. Oh yeah. Are you scared of that? Yeah, fuck yeah. No. I remember the first time I had to do that. That was, it took me a while before I got comfortable even doing that. Did you have somebody for it? Yeah, yeah. No, I had a buddy of mine do that for a long time. Then I had a girlfriend of mine do it for a long time. So I was, I didn't like doing that shit either. But that after a while, I mean, I got, I got used to that, right? Well, so were you always scared of like getting shots and shit as a kid? Was that like a big deal for you? I don't know if I was scared, but I definitely didn't like it. It definitely wasn't something where, What about when you got to give blood or whatever? Yeah, I don't like, I get lightheaded big time when I give blood. Wow. Have you ever like stared at it? Yeah, I get hell lightheaded. Yeah, hell. Oh, you know, that's an actual phobia. Yeah, I'm cool. Like it's weird. Like I don't get like all weird and, I don't get anxiety about it. But when they draw blood, dude, I got to not watch it. If I'm watching it, I get all lightheaded. You get woozy. It's funny. Courtney actually almost passed out watching me get my blood drawn. Oh, dude, I could cut my own arm off. If it didn't hurt, if it didn't hurt, I'd have no problem. I could cut my own arm off. Bro, I have no problem with that kind of shit. Did I tell you I was talking, we won't sell them out? Well, before you, I'm going to tell you a story real quick. When I got my shoulder surgery on my left, when I got my shoulder surgery on my left shoulder, I had my AC joint, you know, shaved down a little bit. They had this catheter inside my shoulder that would pump pain medicine to it. And I came home with this little pain pump. I couldn't sleep with that thing. So I came home and I unwrapped everything and I pulled that fucker right out of my arm. This long tube out of my arm. Blood everywhere. No problem, bro. No problem. Yeah. No problem. The Everly Well test is easy, though. Pull that catheter out of my dick. No, I mean, it was. I mean, you watch it. Those that have already seen the story saw me do it. And this was for Omega-3. This is the Omega-3 one. Yeah, I'm entering. We're trying to test to see if we're getting adequate Omega-3 fatty acids. Now, I'm going to go ahead and speculate that I'm going to be good. I think I'm going to be. And I don't even know because I haven't seen what the results. Like, you know how the testosterone they give you. What I love about, what I love about. I'll probably be a little deficient. What I love most about this Everly Well test is how simple. Like, so once you do the test, whether you do the saliva one or the blood one for the Omega, they give you everything you need to ship it. The shipping, return shipping is in there. You do it all. Package up, send it. You register it on the barcode that's on there, which is super easy. And then it automatically text messages me and lets me know, like, when they've received it in the lab then when they've tested all of it. They're quick with the results. Dude, it's just, it's so easy. Once I figured that out. And now I have a login and so I can go back, I can review my testosterone. Because I want to do the testosterone I want to again soon. Yes, yes. I told them I'd do that. Yeah, just so I can see you. Me too. I want to see if we can affect it. I believe the last one. So, you think your Omega-3s are going to be low? I think they may be a little low. Just because I don't eat fish like you guys. Yeah, all the time. Oh, that's right. I forget. Yeah, you don't like fish that much. See, I eat a lot of fish. And if I don't eat fish, I'm aware of it. And I've got Omega's at the house. Yeah, so do I. I should be good. I should be good. Otherwise the fish oil that I take is not working. Yeah, and I have the supplements for it but I never, I'm bad at taking supplements. Do you take any supplements at all? Never. I mean, I do sometimes like, you know, like when we're traveling and stuff. But that's about it. Oh, wow. I mean, like your top three or five like supplements that were sponsored and not sponsored by, who do you fuck with the most? I mean, I just, green juice is probably like the only thing I'll do besides like, I mean, back when I was like training really hard and I was trying to get like serious performance and gains, like I would take some creatine. But that was it. That literally is like it. Yeah, you're probably good with creatine right now because you're eating so much meat. Yeah, I'm just eating a lot of meat. That's what I feel. I'm using Mike's creatine right now. Oh yeah? Yeah, I've been using that. There's a couple of things I'm doing right now that I just normally wouldn't. I'm not a like... Because of competition, that's why. Yeah, that's right. Well, and you know what though, more so than the competition, I just, I don't, I don't like throwing supplements on an inconsistent diet and training routine. And people do this all the time. I think it's such a waste of money to me. And for me, it gives me peace of mind when I am training, when I'm dieting right, when I'm training right, throwing on supplements, I feel like it gives me a better, a better observation of like what's really going on. You know what I'm saying? Of course. I just don't like, like for example, It's also a waste of time. You've been talking about the higher dose of turmeric. And so I've been kind of playing with that because... I don't think it makes sense to do it when you're eating shitty. Yeah. You know what I mean? I'll take this lure more information. Well, even not just shitty, like I just think all over the board. If you're inconsistent. Yeah. Like, I mean, because somebody's probably listening right now and they're like, well, I don't eat shitty, but I take all these supplements every day and it's like, well, fuck, how do you know if they're working out with your diets all over the place? Now, here's the thing. Turmeric is maybe a little different because it's a food. So you're just adding a food to what you're, you know what I mean? The other stuff I could see, like when people will take individual amino acids. Even then, like, so the main reason why I'm taking turmeric is I'm trying to see if it's helping keep inflammation down and it's speeding up any sort of recovery process and me lifting and training hard, right? So if I'm eating a bunch of high inflammatory foods, like, is it really going to counter all that? I don't think so. I don't think it's that strong. I don't think it's fucking superpower. You know what I'm saying? I think I... How's your Achilles right now with all the, with everything? We haven't brought it. You guys haven't brought it? Oh, yeah. And your injections. BPC, yeah. BPC-5927. Did you get yours yet? No. Jordan's supposed to, he said he was going to stop by, but he hasn't. Way to sell it to your drug dealer. So I, I got it. You just threw it right into the bus. That's right. We know a lot. We know a lot of those. Oh, wow. Yeah. There's a lot of Jordan's out there. Michael Jordan. Anyways, that's good. Michael Jordan, dude. So good connection. I, uh, I love it, bro. I'm, I'm huge, but here's the thing though. And this is what I'm uncertain of. And I don't know, and I can't wait for you to get it so we can sit here and we can bullshit about it off air and kind of figure this out together. Because I don't know if it's something that's happening instantly. Like we kind of speculate this a little bit. Like, is it something like when I injected in there, is it like kind of numbing that area? Yeah. Because there, there's already been a couple of days where I, you know, it kind of bothers me a little bit and I feel it kind of coming back. And then I, I inject that stuff and then within an hour, like, Didn't you say too though, when you're not taking it, how it just immediately all comes back? Well, so that's what I was saying early on when we first, when we first like the first few injections, but I've been consistent every other day. I think I had a weekend where I stretch three days or so and not injecting. In fact, I'm due today. And I'm only, I'm through the first bottle. I'm onto my second bottle right now. And it's, I feel really good. It's definitely still there. It doesn't feel like it's fucking repaired and recovered everything perfectly. But I'm in the least amount of pain. I feel the best. That is a good, that is a good question because is it, is it like taking, you know, anti-inflammatory? Or it just works acutely? Or is it actually speeding up the recovery and improving the recovery process? Because anti-inflammatories will make you feel better too, but they do not speed up recovery. In fact, they might even slow it down in some cases. And so for me, I think where I'm going to be able to answer this the best is after I've gone through both bottles and then we're, you know, three, four weeks down the road after I've been done with it, how do I feel? Do I feel like I've maintained that or I'm getting even better? Or am I starting to notice it bother me again? But 100% as of right now, worth it. For sure worth it. Interesting. Yeah. Right now I'm like, okay, I feel the best I've felt. Interesting. This has been going on. As a recovery aid, you're like, okay, yeah. Yeah, this makes sense. So it may be, it may be like almost like, what's the word, unfair advantage for the competition. Oh yeah. You just got yours coming, ejecting your face wherever the fuck you want to go. We didn't talk about drugs. No, I'm going to wait till after the contest. I want to make sure I compete like total. Yeah. Because we're doing a blood test afterwards just so everybody knows. Shut up, bro. I'm not doing a blood test after this. I'm going to find all kinds of weird shit here. Yeah, no. It's going to be all skewed. Yeah. Dude, I had, so my dog's been like having horrible, horrible diarrhea and like crazy stuff. Oh, does he just do that in the house? Thankfully, not this time. I told you about that one time where in the middle of the night, he just blasted like the curtains from my closet. Dude, puppies. Oh my God, dude. Puppies are so sensitive like to diet and stuff. Like if you change the diet in the slightest bit, like they'll, Yeah. So I bought this food, you know, from the grocery store. It was supposed to be the highest quality. It was that like one of those organic, you know, grocery stores. I think it was, I don't know if it's whole foods, but anyway, and it's not working. Like he just still has all this like fucking crazy diarrhea and all the stuff going on. So I actually, I'm trying this out. I remember you mentioned that diet market has, you know, some food on there. And so I went and checked it out. So I'm trying a new brand out to see how that's going to go. And what's the brand? Do you remember? It's like I and love you. Wait, hold on. I think I remember. It's I and love and you. Okay. Kind of an interesting name. See if that works. See if it works. You can also give your dog probiotics. That too. Have you tried that yet? Yeah. Oh, has it helped? Yeah. A little bit. Now how are you giving them probiotics? Are you using the supplement? Or are you doing like yogurt? Open it. Oh, yeah. Pour it in the food. So I actually give them yogurt. So that's all you do. Okay. Now, unless he's got a dairy intolerance. So funny we're talking about a dog. Yeah. But it's true. They're just, I mean, they're living beings just like us. No, anytime the dogs get, like if they get into shit and they eat something bad or someone else, someone fed them something that they're not supposed to eat like you had somebody else watching them. And I know right away, because they're so sensitive. And then the next meal or two, I'll feed them cottage cheese or Greek yogurt. Oh, that's a good call. Yeah. With rice. Try that too. With a little bit of white rice. Have you tried, what happens when you give your dog like meat and stuff like that? Is that easier to digest for a dog? Yeah, it's easier. I would assume so. Do you know what meat is the most non-allergenic meat for animals? So like if you're animal. Most non-allergenic food? Yeah. Do you know? I think for people too. Do you know what it is? It's pork. Oh, pork. Yeah. Oh, really? Oh, it's not the same. Oh, I see what you're saying. No, no, no. I don't think pork is for people. Yeah. So like what I've had, I've had dogs and cats and stuff like that, that have like are super allergic to all kinds of different foods. And so they typically tell you to put them on like an all pork diet for a while. And then, and then after they've been eating that for a while. Interesting. Yeah, I didn't know that. Of all the meats that can bother me, meats, I have a really good tolerance. I can eat meat forever. But the one that if I push too hard, I can sometimes have an issue. You just gargle that meat. It's actually pork. Believe it or not, pork actually might bother me, sometimes bothers me. Oh, really? Yeah, sometimes, sometimes. Oh, really? Sits really well with me. Yeah. Dude, did you, I'm going to ask you Sal, did you see the study on the erasing memories in mice? Oh, a long time ago. Oh, dude, no, this is new. What? This is brand new, brother. So fill this, fill me in. Yeah, yeah. Memories can be altered in mice or humans next. That's fucked up. Dude. Like the CIA hasn't been doing this with us. You imagine that? Oh, you did kill that person. Oh my God, I did. What? Go to jail. Yeah, it's crazy, right? Neuroscientists usually define this singular memory as an ingram, E-N-G-R-A-M, a physical change in brain tissue associated with particular recollection. Recently, brain scans revealed that an ingram isn't isolated to one region of the brain and instead manifests as a colorful splattering across the neural tissue. What they're saying is that if the, they're trying to do it for PTSD and Alzheimer's or Alzheimer's. Alzheimer's? Yeah, Alzheimer's. Dude, that's, you know, have you guys watched the movie? Oh, Jim Carrey's in it. A Beautiful Mind? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Sunshine. Sunshine of the Spotless. Something like, Eternal Sunshine. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless. Eternal Sunshine. We just pieced that together. By the way, have you seen that movie? Yes, I've never seen it. Oh, you've never seen it? No, bro. You've got to watch that. What Katrina is such a well-made movie. It's good. Really? How did I not know? It's one of his best ones. Such a well-made movie. Yeah. So good. But anyway, the premise of it, and I won't do the spoiler. I won't give you the spoiler, but the premise of it is you go to these places and they erase bad memories. So, like, if you had a terrible breakup or something traumatic, they'll erase it from your mind and then you don't have it anymore. And so that's what it reminded me of. So, I mean, that's... Also total recall. Yeah. Yeah. That's the theory on here is that they're going to be able to do that. You know? So how crazy would that be? That's scary to give someone that power. They could go on an erase with it. And you have to ask yourself, would that be ideal? Why? Because it is what shapes us into who we are. But the argument they're saying, and again for like PTSD or someone like that, that's like, well, if you have these awful traumatic memories that are making you angry, making you depressed. Was it better to delete it or to deal with it? See, that's the question. Well... That's the moral question. Right. Which I think I would argue the overcoming it would be ideal. I mean, that's the alchemist or us talking about the journey. Plus we don't know... Where the magic is at. And I'm not trying to be insensitive to people with terrible issues. No, exactly. So I want to be very clear, have lots of empathy for those. But we really don't know the potential benefits or the ways that it has molded our character to go through these things. So what ends up happening, we have a bad... Let's say we have a really bad experience and it's super traumatic. And we just think about it, we just think about it. We mull it over all the time. It causes lots of pain and anxiety. And we erase that. We don't know if alongside that pain and anxiety or whatever, it's also shaped our character and helped us become who we are. And if we erase it, we become someone else. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. That's kind of an interesting... interesting problem. A moral problem. Yeah, it's interesting too because, I mean, if you get into like some weird stuff like pedophiles and all that, like maybe there was an impressionable thing that happened to them in their childhood that they can delete and then it sort of rewires their brain. I can see the argument going in all kinds of different directions. That's why it's like, I don't know. This brings me a question that I've always thought about and a good thing that I want to ask you guys to hear what you guys think. Like, have you guys ever thought back, like when you think back to your deepest memories, like as far back as you go, do you have more memories that you recall that are positive or negative? So this is actually something that they've studied quite a bit in people. I find that interesting, right? Because I know as a kid, I know that my life wasn't all bad, right? I know that. I remember it well. I mean, in fact, I had a great childhood. But I know that we had some dark times and hard times. Unfortunately for me though, the positive things that probably happened a lot as a kid are blurry or non-existent for me where the traumatic type of things that happened are very vivid. That's normal. You know what I'm saying? That's normal because from an evolutionary standpoint, think about it this way. If something bad happens to you and then something good happens to you, which one is more important to remember? For survival. For survival. So the brain is kind of designed or evolved to pay attention to the bad, scary shit to keep you alive more than the happy, fuzzy stuff. And so we tend to have memories that way. But also context matters too. So let's say your life is going great right now and everything's awesome. And let's say you wrote a book or you did something and you talked about all these difficult things. You then may be able to think back and have more positive, you know, in a positive light now because you're in the context of your life being good. Let's say that your life is bad, then you may look back and think the same thing. It's like when you're dating someone and you're getting a major fight with them and then you think back to your relationship, you start to remember all the bad shit. Or when things are great, then you start to think of all the good stuff. So that matters too, right? Well then for you guys, I mean I think we're all in very good spaces right now and lots of positivity around all of us. I mean that doesn't change for me right now when I think back to childhood and like the memories it still stays the same that I have a lot of these, you know, more traumatic memories. What about for you guys? When you guys think back like a lot of your from 7 to 15 years old, you know, what are the memories that you have? Right away start thinking of stuff like that. Does positive stuff pop out? If I think of a specific thing like where I remember all the details, it's usually a bad thing. But if I think of a feeling, then it's good. Like if I think of my childhood growing up, it was very, I had a good, I had a great childhood. Yeah, like in general, yeah, it tends to be positive. But yeah, if I go to specifics, I can, I can recall things that I wanted to improve. I think that's the biggest thing for me. I always look back at things that I screwed up or something happened that like I was like, ah, shit, like, man, I got to do better at that. And like I'm always very like critical of like what I did when I was growing up. But yeah, for the most part, it's pretty positive. I think there's been a few that, you know, obviously stand out once they start thinking about like, you know, like people messing with me or something, you know, traumatic. I find that really interesting. It makes me the, you know, it's the black mirror episode, right? Where you could rewind and like, I wonder what that's going to be like for us. Because we are definitely evolving to this point with the way we are connected to social media, the way we post that somebody who's an eye-genre, like them in 20 years, they literally could. And for sure, there's going to be lots of people that have this. Yeah, you have a timeline. Yes. You're born now. Right. Of like any kind of media. Yeah. Of something that has content that you've actually written, a picture that you've posted. Like it's going to be really, really interesting. And the fact that, so trip on this for a second. So we talk about how you are connected to some of the negative stuff or the traumatic stuff and that's evolutionary. That's why we've, I mean, that's why that makes sense, right? Like you said, to survive, right? That we would attach stuff. But when you look at the way people post on Instagram, what do you post on Instagram? Well, that's different. That's because you want everything is awesome. So think about that. Yeah. So now, now fast forward 20 years from now and you're, you're a 25 year old. You think everything was awesome. Right. Yeah. Does that distort, you know, who you are because when you look back, you have all, you've only posted all your highlights of your life and none of the traumatic or the bad things. Maybe. That would really make us a happier society. Or will it be, you have a distorted view on yourself and life? That's an interesting question. I don't know. I'd have to think about that. I have no idea what that would, what that would be like. I think, you know, I think what's going to end up happening in the, in the relative in your futures is everything is going to be recorded and not because you're writing it down and recording yourself, but because it's literally being recorded where sensors everywhere where you either have contact lenses on that record everything and trust me that the, you know, the pragmatism of it or at least the, the viability and how like the utility of it would be amazing. Think about that. Imagine if you could record everything all day long. You wouldn't have to remember things if you forgot something or what happened, if there was an accident, whatever, you could play back the camera and be like, here's what happened. This is what, you know, it would be incredible. Everybody's point of view and then you can really evaluate, you know, in whatever situation it was that required, you know, some kind of judgment. Yeah. I think that's what it's going to look now. I also think that's going to pose some, also some other, some problems. Of course, worse privacy than I thought. You know what I'm saying? People can manipulate it. Oh, someone hacks your own video and say, no, this is what happened. Yeah. Well, you already see too, like worries me is a lot of the videos now. Like it's so sophisticated they can take over people's I haven't seen anything. Bro, I saw one where they took, they took Trump and they took Barack Obama and they took real videos of them talking like at a podium doing a speech and then they use this technology to make them say other shit. Yeah. And you, you can't tell. And think about that. Think about like some world leader, somebody speaking in front of a crowd. So they could be speaking in front of the crowd, but where's everybody else watching it? You know, on TV or through some other media source. People in front of them like 10 million are listening. It might be a completely different message than what was even delivered. And, you know, and so it's just, it's crazy. It's going to be crazy, but I also think at the same time there's a lot of natural checks and balances with that, right? Cause now, even just today, anybody with a phone could record it and show people what the actual what actually happened. Yeah, that is true. So it's going to be a lot of God, a lot of responsibility on people, a lot of responsibility for us to kind of figure things out for ourselves you know, what to think. Yeah. I do have some interesting good news for you guys. I like those updates. It might be good news. So apparently, backpedal. Apparently, bread, the food that everybody loves, bread, is paleo. Bread is paleo. Did they just acknowledge that? What the hell? So scientists have just discovered the earliest evidence of bread. They actually found some black. Some bread that's been found for fucking a million years. They found some ancient stone building like It's all hard. It's like a brick. Like artifacts or whatever. And they found They were making bread with a pizza. No, they found food scraps. And the food scraps showed that there were bread and the bread was 14,000 years old. Damn. So they've been making bread for a lot longer than we think. Then we're Egyptians making bread or is that just, I mean, I know they were making some kind of beer. I don't know. I don't know about that. But apparently, it's been a lot longer than we think. How are they proving that? Again, they actually found some bread that's been around for that long. They find, of course, artifacts or whatever. And then they do what is it called? Carbon dating, which is pretty pretty effective, pretty accurate. And they found the bread to be 14,400 years old. I thought there was a lot of room for air and carbon dating. I thought they proved that a long time ago that was like, it's not going to give you the exact date, but it's pretty accurate that it's over. It's right around as old as they think. I heard it could be way off. I don't know. I don't know. But there you go. Now, it is important to note that, and that does kind of shit on the whole paleo advertising marketing theory or whatever, but it is important to note that the grains and shit that people were using back then are really nothing like the ones that we've got. Oh, for sure not. Totally different. Yeah, no, for sure not. So, I mean, isn't that what makes sourdough so great, too, is how it's processed and how it's made? It's fermented. Yeah, right? Probably how they did it back in the days, too. Part of it. The other thing is they, you know, bread was, they didn't use, I don't think they used yeast until later, so bread was probably flat. And they probably used other types of, it might not have been wheat, right? It might have been other cereal grains that they used. But here's the thing with the cereal grains. The reality is they are very nutrient dense and calorie dense for what they are. So it did provide, I mean, it was a boom for humanity. But even the, of course, the agricultural revolution exploded the world population. So it's not all bad. Right. But what we eat now doesn't look like, you know, you ever seen a picture of ancient, like ancient wheat or ancient corn? Looks nothing like. It's tiny. Dude, all different colors. Ancient corn is like a spindle. It's like one single spindle with like a kernel here and there. Spratically. Yeah. Versus this like starch bomb bubbly, you know, bubbly the fucking balloon. Yeah. No, it didn't look like I would like to know how off like a lot of our nutrition books that we've been reading for a long time are because I know like when I read, you know, when we read those books, right? And it goes through and you look at like an apple in like fruits and vegetables and all the things that are now genetically modified and have been over the last 50 plus years and a hundred plus years, even that, right? Where it's now like, 110 calories. What was that? Because they're when they first did it. Yeah. Like when they first did it was like this, this big, you know what I'm saying? Like the size of it, like the small. Yeah. Like they kept those standards. That's what I mean. Like now I know. Now I know this food has changed a lot and like selective breeding. I mean, too. Like we've taken the we've harvested the best fruit and tried to duplicate it too. So that's part of it. Not just like we haven't been in a this was actually like this was like mind blowing for me when I first when I first actually weighed this out and measured it because I would I would used to go before all the apps and all the cool shit. I would just say one medium banana. Yeah. Exactly. Or say, you know, sweet potato is, you know, X amount of carbohydrates or whatever. And I remember, you know, a regular size sweet potato being, you know, X amount of calories. And I just, you know, never really weighed around there, give or take. And it was three times when I actually weighed it. It was three times the amount of calories and carbohydrates than what I was assuming based off of what the old books were saying. So then it made me just go like, oh, banana. You wonder how like when's the last time they like updated that and re redid the whole standards. And a lot of them were based off of like these like very, very small doubt. They're motivated to do that to get money in that direction. Exactly. So like why change it? Have you seen like old renaissance paintings of fruit and stuff like that from like, you know, long time ago? Yeah. And they'll be like an apple, which is like, bananas like all seeds. Yeah. Full of these massive seeds and they're small. I'm like, that's an apple. Yes. I bet it was like super tart and sour. It looks nothing like the sugar, you know, explosion that we have. And this is what really because, you know, we've, we know this is trainers. This has been said for a very long time. So a lot of it, I think isn't even, I think it's not, it's not just their fault. They think they're like, I think even the people, I think there's a large percentage of people that are reporting or tracking their food and think they're actually tracking correctly and just don't realize that because they haven't taken it to the detail. Yeah. My calorie counter said one apple. Yeah. You know. Yeah. And it's like, okay, well, that's two. And your apple looks like this, right? It's like a fucking softball. It's like, yeah, I'm going to ask you guys, if you guys use baby powder with your kids or ever around your house, did you see the big thing with Johnson & Johnson right now? No. I don't use baby powder. I don't use baby powder. Check this out. Is there a connection to cancer? With the company. Jerry orders Johnson & Johnson to pay 4.7 billion in a Missouri asbestos cancer case. Get the fuck out of here. Yes. Why? And they lost. So saying that the Johnson & Johnson, 22 women who led the company, including its baby powder, contain asbestos and cause them to develop ovarian cancer. They put asbestos in their baby powder? That's what it's saying. What in the fuck? That's fucked up. That's evil. They lost, dude. 4.69 billion dollars. Largest case. Obviously, it holds true because they lost. Crazy, right? Wow. No, I don't. Johnson & Johnson. You know the fucking stock plummeted after that, too. That is a fucking god of business for that shit. That is a massive company. Yeah. Massive company. Huge, right? 500 cents. So they found asbestos in the baby powder? Yeah. Wow. That's inhumane. Works when you burn, right? Put it out the fire. Sorry. Yeah, you have to get like special people to come to your house just like gloves and they have to treat things a very specific way if they find even asbestos tiles. Yep. Asbestos is safe as long as it doesn't start to flake. You know what I mean? It's just there. It doesn't do anything. But it's in powders. Yeah, exactly. So why would you even use it in something like that? Does it make sense to me? I don't know how it could have possibly... Why is it connected to asbestos or is it the baby powder itself that caused the ovarian cancer? Like, why would they put asbestos in baby powder? That's strange. Yeah. That's why I don't understand either. I mean, this is just... And the article doesn't say how in the conspiracy theorists they're going crazy right now. So this literally... This was on Apple News just like a day or two ago. That's unreal, dude. Yeah, July... That actually makes you really angry. July 12th. So this actually just happened. And it doesn't say that they found asbestos in the baby powder? Oh, here we go. Doug just pulled something up. What does that say there, Doug? Talc. Yeah, talc is mined. And so asbestos is found in the mined talc, which they use for talcum powder. Oh! That's what it is. I see. So... Maybe unintentional, but still like they didn't do their due diligence and test it. Yeah. Oh, shit. And you would be... How would you be able to tell, right? Yeah. You put that on babies, you fuckers. I know, you fucking crazy, right? Bastards. Wow. Yeah. Wow. That's... Listen, you know, I tell people go as natural as possible. Don't use shit like this. So these women were using baby powder on their vaginas because they thought it would... Bro, I'm not gonna lie. I would have never... I would just... I think the baby powder would even have something that could be compromising to a... You know, it's baby powder. Yeah, right. That wouldn't be anything. Well, yeah, exactly. Because we grew up with it and we think it's nothing. Right, right. Well, that's why... It's not even made from real babies. Go down the rabbit hole, bro. Yeah. Yeah. I don't trust in their formulas. I don't... Not that shit, dude. It's not like natural. Scary, dude. Yeah. So, but I mean, if there... If Johnson & Johnson is mining and that's how it's made through this... What is talc? Are you guys... Talc itself? Yeah, I don't know. You don't talk about powder, obviously, but... I'm definitely not using any of my minerals anymore. Some type of a mineral. Yeah, so I would assume that all... See, now that I know it's a mineral, it definitely doesn't make sense... Even putting talc on things, like it doesn't make sense to put powdered minerals all over yourself all the time because you could potentially absorb some of it. It's like... Right. It's like, you know, the sunscreen. So I buy... The sunscreen I use on my kids, I don't use the chemical stuff, because that should... Use more zinc. I use zinc oxide. But I also make sure it's not nano-particulized, which is where they take zinc and they crush it so much that you rub it in and you can't see it. Oh, because that way it'll penetrate the skin. Yeah, because the problem with the zinc oxide sunscreens is they leave a little bit of a white sheen. You know what I'm saying? And that's how it works, it reflects things off. So then what companies did is they crush the zinc so small that you rub it in, you don't get that white sheen, but then they find, oh, you absorb the zinc that way. So you got to be careful with the things you put on your skin, man. So when you put the sunscreen on your kids, you use the stuff that looks like paint is going on them. If you put it on real thick, I do rub it in, but then when they get wet and sweaty, you can see they look kind of white. Yeah, do you remember the 80s? Yeah, yeah. We put that on our nose, like the fluorescent colors. Yeah, that's true zinc, yeah. But I'll tell you what, it is way more effective at stopping sunburn. Like you put that shit on, you are not getting... I mean, it's very, very... It reflects it. All the lifeguards and everybody that were like in the sun, like all the time, they were always putting that zinc oxide on them. Yeah, because the other stuff is straight-up Xenoestrogens and these weird chemicals that are one of the endocrine, as Doug would say, disruptors. So I wonder then how many of these baby powder stuff, I mean, not just... I mean, we're picking on Johnson & Johnson right now, but if it's all powder, it's like a gold bond. They got to look into it. Gold bond and all these... What do you think gold bond is? Right, that's what I'm saying. I mean, it's just... Who owns gold bond, by the way. That's the brand, isn't it? Oh, no, no. It's owned by the same... Armin Hammer. Oh, Armin Hammer. Yeah, I think you're right. I think that's who it is. Well, I didn't see it, and I've used that, too, for, like, powder... I was just throwing it on my balls the other day. No, you don't. Yeah, that's why I made me think of this, bro. This is why it was a big deal to me. You put gold bond on your nuts? Well, sometimes they're itchy. Oh, wow. Yeah. I haven't done it very often, but I'll do it every now and then. Have you ever thrown some baby powder on your nuts before you put them in your drawers? It's relaxing. Yeah. Oh, man, I mean, I don't want to recommend it to people now because, fuck, I don't want to give everyone cancer. But I mean... Wow. Gold bond... Oh, shit. Gold bond body powders that contain talcum powder may increase the risk of ovarian cancer in women. Well, there you go. Yeah. That's another lawsuit now. There's a lawsuit, apparently, against... Well, they probably haven't looked into testicular cancer and that tying into that either yet. It's close to your butthole, too, dude. Okay, I don't know about you guys, but I mean, Justin being in a locker room a lot, that was an omel thing for all athletes, dude. Definitely. That's like a thing. You would throw some baby... Because you're girdled, too. You'd have to, like, wash. Everybody used the same, like, laundry, and it was like, uh... Like, inevitably, like, the back... I mean, it's gross, but, you know, like, you'd use this powder to kind of make sure you kept all the bacteria at bay. Well, the thing that you're trying to prevent is, like, Jock-Itch, right? Yeah, exactly. Which is a fungal infection. The best thing that you can do to prevent fungal infection, besides making sure that you're clean and you don't wear the same thing over and over again, is being healthy. Because when you have a healthy microbiome on your skin, you have a microbiome in your gut, but you also have, you know, a signature microbiome on your skin. And when that's healthy, it naturally fights fungus. It naturally keeps it off. I know when I'm unhealthy, when my gut's off, I have more of a tendency to develop things like athletes foot, for sure. For sure. So that's the most important thing, you know? These, like, throw powder on stuff and all that stuff. I feel like a lot of that is... When you were doing keto that you found yourself a little more susceptible. So when I went keto, I'm not more susceptible to athletes foot. But I went keto and then I took on top of it exogenous ketones. So I got my ketone levels fucking high through the roof. And when I would do that every time, I'd be more susceptible to athletes foot. So I did some research and found that the fungus in athletes foot actually can feed off of ketones. Oh, interesting. See, knowing all this stuff now always makes me curious to, like, what I was doing. Because when I was a kid, I remember I had athletes foot for a little while in high school and then it's never, I've never seen it or ever had it ever again as I got older. It's pretty easy to get rid of, right? I use the, was it, the myconazole and the, you know, tulmphonate or whatever they're called. You know, antifungals over the counter. They're pretty effective. I use monostat. Wait, is that the wrong stuff? Monostats for... East infection. It's still worse. It's for dirty vaginas, bro. It's not, bro. Shut up, bro. It's for dirty wizard sleeves. It's for dirty wizard sleeves. That's a good commercial. Monostat. We're not even sponsored. No, monostat is myconazole. Same stuff that you'll use on Athlete's Foot or Jockage. Speaking of microbiomes, more research has just come out to show that they did a study on children with autism and they took these kids and they did a fecal transplant where they were trying to give them a better internal microbiome. And the symptoms of autism were relieved in many of these kids. God. That's crazy. Like big time. What? Yes. That's awesome. We've known for a long time... Good news. Yeah, we've known for a long time that autism has been connected with gut issues like diarrhea, constipation, like all these other issues. Right. And they thought that there was some kind of a connection but they weren't sure. So they took these kids, did the fecal transplant and it was a small study but they found that hyperactivity, repetitive actions, irritability, everything improved and continued getting better towards the end of the trial. I'm going to tell you something. That's the power of poo. Yeah. No, dude. This is crazy though. Let me tell you something. If you look at the... All the mild antibiotics were exposed to from the stuff that's in our soaps like... What's that? There's that one... That one trickle sand that was in soaps, right? The antibacterial soaps. Yeah. To the stuff that's in our tap water because people flush things down the toilet or whatever to the chemicals that we use to the fact that our environments are so sterile and they're finding that the microbiomes of mothers and their children is becoming less and less diverse because it passes on to your child and that child has children and so on and so forth. I wonder if we're just hitting... We're just starting to hit that breaking point where our microbiomes are getting to the point where it's taking a few generations but it's so fucked up that... It's been under assault though. Yeah. Food allergies, food intolerances, gut issues, mental issues, autism, all the stuff's exploding. It's all connected to the fact that our immune systems are just going haywire. Yeah. You know what I mean? From all the stuff. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Crazy. Today's Qua is brought to you by MAPS Anabolic. If you're looking to maximize your overall muscle and strength, MAPS Anabolic is the perfect place to start. With a full 30-day money-back guarantee there is absolutely zero risk. So what are you waiting for? Go to mindpromedia.com and get started today. It's the motherfucking Qua. The eagle has landed. Quiqua. First question is from MikeGoesFit. Is it possible for your muscles to grow but your strength to remain the same? Yes, it is. Absolutely. It is. And I've experienced this myself. But before we go into the possible reasons, I think we need to talk about what strength is. There's a few components that we need to discuss with this. First off, obvious, the obvious one, your muscles, right? And bigger muscle fibers contract harder. And so when people think of strength, that's what they think of. They think muscles. Like, oh, I have bigger muscles. They're going to contract harder. That's going to make me stronger. Not necessarily true. Central nervous system. I have a power source behind it. How those muscles, how hard and quick those muscles fire, which is controlled by the central nervous system. It's why I love your analogy that you started saying fucking years ago. It was the first time I ever heard anybody give that analogy. I think it's such a great analogy to get people to understand exactly how this works, which is the speaker and the amplifier analogy. Because you absolutely can go by 12-inch subwoofers that should be more, should be, theoretically, more powerful than 8-inch subwoofers. But if you're not, if you're not running a stronger amp, you won't really hear or notice a bigger difference in them. Which so, and to me, that's how I think of the difference between strength and building muscle. And part of that is also the fact that strength is also a skill. There is a lot of skill involved with being strong. Your ability to balance and fire muscles the way they should, how many times you've practiced a particular movement so your body knows that it can exert maximal force. Because here's the thing, if you look at a highly trained athlete, like an Olympic lifter, Olympic lifters are great examples of this. They're able to summon most of the strength that they're capable of for their lifts. They've trained so often and so many times that their body feels safe outputting all that power and strength. That's the reason why someone like Phil Heath would get his ass kicked by someone who's 180 pounds that's an Olympic lifter. That's right, because his body doesn't feel safe or used to being able to summon all his strength. Now, Phil Heath could summon all of his capable strength that his muscles could with good skill. He would be a lot stronger than he probably is in the gym. This is why sometimes people will be in emergency situations and find that they can summon strength that they normally didn't think they could. You know, the story of the mom lifting the car off her kid or whatever. There's some truth to that to where... Yeah, that's a good point, too, about being able to control it, though. Because I mean, you can summon it and you could literally, like, deplete and exhaust your body. Or hurt yourself. Or hurt yourself versus, like, somebody who's trained well and developed this skill knows the right exact amount in the dose and when to apply it, when to pull off of it, you know, in terms of, like, being the most efficient in that particular exercise. So there's a lot more that goes into it than just, I can do this because my muscles are, you know, pulling this from the ground. Yeah. Now, when I look at this question, it says, is it possible your muscles to grow but strength remain the same? What comes to mind right away to me is a lot of my peers in the competitive, like, bodybuilding world, this is really common where they, you know, they get this real bubbly-looking muscles and they chase the pump all the time and they train in hypertrophy all the time and so their muscles get bigger and they look bigger but then they haven't really got that much stronger. So this is super common in that space. It is. It's like, okay, it's like you have a car that has 400 horsepower but it's got a rev limiter and we've set that rev limiter so that you're not able to exert all that horsepower. You try to push it, rev limiter kicks in, takes away your power, you know, engine kind of shuts you down. Shuts you down. Your body has natural rev limiters and many times what limits your strength is not because you're not strong enough but it's because your body limits your strength because it's trying to protect your body and your joints. It's like if you have a certain amount of strength and you go to try and throw a fastball, a baseball as fast as you can, many times what's limiting your speed isn't that you're not able to generate the speed but the fact that your body won't let you because it thinks if you do, you're gonna tear something. You're gonna throw your arm off your body. You're gonna throw your arm off and so a lot of strength is that skill, as that practice over and over again. This is why, you know, at 195 pounds, you know, I had practiced deadlift so many times it was one of my favorite lifts. It's an exercise that I can go and grind out, weight that guys that are 30 pounds heavier than me and it's not because my muscles are stronger necessarily, it's because my body feels safe. You've done it enough times to condition your body that you're gonna be okay. I was explaining this to Enzo yesterday because he was trying it like he's like, how come Sal is so much stronger on deadlifting you guys? And I'm like, I go, well, you know, Sal's been... Superhero. Is that why you hurt yourself? Yeah, yeah. No, this was just literally yesterday. Yesterday I was having this conversation with Enzo and I just said, you know, Sal's been deadlifting since he was like fucking 15 years old. Like I literally started deadlifting at like 28. Way later. Yeah, way later in my life and not to take anything from him. I mean, that's, but that just shows you how much... Yeah, no, you've developed that skill to, you know, really high level so that's just the difference. And so, and now here's the thing, would you want more muscle and less strength? Well, I guess if you're just looking for the aesthetic and you really don't care about strength, then that's fine. But here's the, there is a potential. You wanna be a walking balloon animal? Yeah, and here's... Easy, easy. There was a, for a very long time. For a very long time. For a very long time. For a very long time. I was this guy. Like I used to pride myself on going to the gym. What was your saying? Like when I take my shirt off in the bedroom, a girl doesn't ask me how much I can bench? Yeah, that's right. It's true. Boom. So I was... You imagine if a girl did do that once though? Wow, you look good. What's your deadline? Oh, that's a hundred pounds less than me. I got a bench over there in the corner. I was. I was all show, no go. But here's, if that's your goal like is to, which let's be honest, okay? Fucking at least half the people listening to this show right now. If not more, dude, they just care about the way they look. Plus, here's the real benefit though because I'm gonna side with you, but here's the real benefit Adam. It's not so much that people just want to look good and don't really care about the strength, although that's true. The real benefit is training for maximal strength is way riskier than just training to build muscle. This is where I was heading with this case. So I trained four years being the all show, no go guy and just trying to look cool. And I used to pride myself on being the guy who'd walk over next to the dude grunting and groaning and throwing up crazy weight with terrible form. Veins just popping. Right. And I would come over with my real light baby weight, you know, and get this, you know, but look ripped and jacked and be, you know, exercising, balancing or doing weird shit. And so that was my thing. Now, here's the deal is when I switched over to strength training, I saw some major gains. Like I definitely saw my body change. I saw the look of my muscles. There's a lot of positive things like what I, and I remember sharing this on the show years ago was I liked that I didn't have to be pumped up to look bigger and stronger. I know the strength training gave me and we've talked about this dense muscle. Right. We've speculated on like, does it, does it actually look diff? Does that muscle fiber like look different to the average person? I believe so. I believe that strength training gave me these dense, hard muscles that don't need to be aired up to look good. So there was a lot of positive stuff. Now the negative stuff is I've been hurt more in the last five, six years strength training than I ever did. Promotes a lot more stress around the joints. There's no denying that at all. I mean, when I was the all show no go guy and all I cared about is looking pretty and shit. I mean, there's definitely some positives to that as far as, you know, being safer. And you still can build a very incredible physique as far as the way it looks. Like absolutely I was getting killed if you compared me to a strength athlete or an Olympic lifter or someone like that, but you could build an incredibly aesthetic physique without ever being somebody who chases like heavy, heavy. That's right. I learned this myself, you know, years ago because I always, I always loved strength. I wasn't a power lifter or anything like that, but I just liked being strong. And so I always tended to train to get stronger. And then there was one point where I started to change my training a little bit and I was just getting good pumps and just focusing on that for a second. And I was, oh, you know what it was? It was the first time I actually got myself really, really lean and dieted. And, you know, when you go into calorie deficit and you're trying to diet, you're not going to be strong. So I mentally had to make the switch and say it's okay that I'm not as strong as I normally am. So because of that switch, I started training differently and I noticed that I was kind of getting bigger in certain parts of my body without getting stronger and it really tripped me out. I was like, oh shit, like I can actually look bigger or build a little bit of muscle without getting stronger. So it's definitely true. Absolutely true, you can do it. I think there's some benefit sometimes to training just for muscle and that benefit comes in the form of safety, 100%. Like training heavy and pushing for strength all the time. I mean, you can do it in a safe way and you can prime properly, you can check your ego. But no matter what, at the end of the day it's still higher risk for injury. Next question is from James Hammer. What is the worst injury you've experienced and what did you do to recover from it? That's easy. Yeah, well for you, right? Yeah, yeah, I'm going through it for sure. The Achilles was the worst one? Yeah, it's- Why, just because it took the longest? Yeah, it, I mean- Because you had Achilles terror? Yeah, I've had ACL, MCL stuff too. I really haven't been injured that much. I've never had a broken bone. I've never had stitches. So I haven't been injured a lot. I've had a cracked cockaxe. You know, I crashed it. Whoa. Yeah. Yeah, not a cock. Oh, that's the one in the back. That's the one in the back. That's my tailbone, right? So I- That sucks, by the way. I heard that that- It does. I got a blood clot from it afterwards too because so I crashed my ATV on this. Oh, like you told us it was a long time ago. Yeah, I was hitting a tabletop jump on his ATV and he has a wrist throttle instead of a thumb throttle. And I just wasn't used to riding it. As I was going up the jump, I leaned back and that naturally broke my wrist and I, or like meaning I broke it down and it throttled it down and I took off. And the ATV started to do a back flip in the air with me on it. And I'm about- You and all Travis Pastrana, all of a sudden, dude. And I kicked off, I bailed and came flat on my, landed flat on the dirt on my back and on the top of a tabletop jump. A probably good 10, 15 feet up in the air. You're lucky it didn't land on you. No, well, yeah, I kicked it. So as soon as I started to go back and like it was going to go upside down, I pushed off of it. I mean, I felt it going in that direction and bailed and I just landed straight on. And it was one of the most painful things that I had gone through. They were talking about trying to fly me out and I'm like, no, I can get out. And on the way back to the house, we had to stop at the hospital because all of a sudden I lost the complete filling in my right leg. I just didn't feel it anymore. The reason why I didn't was that the swelling in my back got so big it must have pinched a nerve. Oh, shit. But I was like freaking out. Like all of a sudden, I mean, literally no feeling. So to be like, oh, in pain. And you're thinking paralyzed. Oh, yeah, right away I'm thinking. So I get so scared. We get in the hospital and then they get some ice on it. So with that, bring the swelling down. I start to feel the feeling back. So I was okay. And then the doctors pretty much said, sorry, they did x-rays. Said we can't really do anything for you. So here's some drugs. Here's a donut. Is it all off now? Because I know if it cracks, it'll heal weird sometimes. Well, it does feel like it. I haven't gone back years later to go x-ray to see how much. A little tail. But I can definitely feel, even this latest back injury that I just did, it definitely always hurts in that area. I can feel like if I have like little minor stuff, like muscle related, I can feel it kind of. I hate tailbone shit. So that was a gnarly one. And because I was in so much pain and I was on this donut all day long, what ended up happening was, because I was sitting around all day, I ended up getting this blood clot. And I had like a soft ball size blood clot in my back. And they had to go out, I had to drain it. And that was a big deal. So that was pretty painful. But it's even that. That sounds worse than your Achilles. No, dude. You don't think maybe your Achilles feels worse because you were also simultaneously going through the low-testosterone, not training depression maybe? I mean, I'm sure that exaggerated, right? Or amplified the feeling or whatever of not liking or thinking it was one of the worst injuries. But I definitely, I mean, the fact that it's eight months later and I still have days where I don't feel... That's true, it's a long time. Yeah, no, it's a long time to be dealing with an injury still. And I don't bitch about it all day long, but it's fucking uncomfortable as shit. It doesn't feel good. Like I've never had something linger for this long. And even, again, back to the other injuries, the MCL, ACL, after they went in, scoped that out. Yeah, I was in pain for a month or so. And then once it healed, it was a little awkward for a while. I lost all my muscle, all that shit sucked. But the nagging pain and what I'm dealing with, what I've dealt with with the Achilles has trumped pretty much anything and everything else that I've been through. Yeah, one of my first... I have had stitches as a kid and all that stuff, but one of my first major injuries was dislocating my left patella, my kneecap. And this was when I was maybe 12. I think I was 12 or 13 playing volleyball with the family at the park and I jumped and I landed in the grass. I've seen that. Huh? Just seeing you play volleyball. Oh, it's incredible. Yeah, I just need to watch. Just running for it and diving. No, no, no, I went... It's like gracefully... You know what happened? I... My foot landed in a hole and I twisted my knee and my kneecap went out and I hit the ground and it sounded like a dry crack, which was kind of weird. Yeah. And then I looked down and it didn't hurt at first. I looked down. I couldn't straighten my leg out. Like I couldn't get up. I'm like, what? And I looked down and my kneecap was here. Ew. It's like the back of my... Yeah, so like the back of my leg. So imagine like you see my kneecap here. Damn it rotated over that much. Where'd it go? It was here and my skin was all stretched out to accommodate for it. So it just looked fucking crazy. And I'm like 12 or 13. I'm on the floor and I start screaming and I start screaming the worst obscenities you've ever heard in your life around my entire family. Like fuck, bitch, con. Ah, mother. And so my cousin, everybody runs over like, what's going on? And my cousin's looking at me and he's like, he starts whispering in my ear. He's like, you're saying really bad words. He's like, you're saying really bad words. But I couldn't help it, man. I was just cussing like crazy. Ambulance came. They took me in the ambulance and then as we're driving and they give me all this morphine, they're like, okay, the closest hospital we can take you to it, but your insurance, it's not a Kaiser hospital. I had Kaiser insurance. So my mom looks at me and she's like, what do you want to do? And I'm like, all right, go to the one that's far away. It's like 40 minutes away. So I had to like drive my ass. We had to take us, yeah, 40 minutes. So that was kind of bad. And then I wore this knee, this leg brace where I couldn't bend my leg. Yeah, those are annoying. And I walked around in that thing for, I don't know, two or three months. And this is why my left calf to this day is bigger than my right calf till this day. Trigger sessions all day long on my left calf. And I think I did some hyperplasia because my right calf will not catch up to my left. And the reason why I walk so much on it is I also started dating this girl that lived, I don't know, two miles away. And this is the first time a girl ever gave me like a hand job. All right. So I would walk for two miles. It was worth it. Fuck, man. I had a straight leg brace. It was in summer. The things that teenage boys will do for a hand job. For a hand job? Oh. I would have crawled on my stomach. I was through the pants at that point. Oh, it's everything. Did I ever share the story? So after I had the surgery on the knee, I was in one of these braces also. And the most painful moment of my life was during this time. Were you trying to go bend it? So it was before the surgery. They put me in this brace. So I had surgery scheduled like a week or two later. But then I had this foam stiff leg bracing. So there's a little bit of play in it, but it kept me in this fixed position. You know, it was really annoying to do things like go to the bathroom. And I'll never forget this. So if you can imagine, I'm sitting on one of those, you know, elevated. I'm in the handicap stall. And I've got the bar next to me. I sit down and I'm taking a shit, right? And I got my leg locked out straight in front of me. And the toilet seat did one of these. So when I reached back to go wipe myself, the seat slid. Did it a bit? Yeah, the seat slid just a little bit. And then that one inch drop, it dropped. Oh, it caused you to bend your knee. It did that with my leg. That is still injured. It's like a wrestling move. Oh, and I felt it tear a little bit more. And I'm just screaming, crying. And this is a 24 offenders back when I worked there. And I was crying inside the stall. You got to tighten up your seats, bro. This is your gym too, fucker. It's your fault. People inside, are you okay in there? Are you okay? I'm gonna be okay. No, this shit was horrible. That was that. And then when I went to Paris right after that before I had done the surgery, and I was hobbling around in Paris and hooted on a cobblestone that was sticking out and went the same direction. Oh, that's terrible. It buckled me to the ground those two times. Probably the most painful. So my other bad injury was in my other knee, and I was in Jiu Jitsu. And there was a guy that was the coach or the guy that was teaching the class, cool guy. And whenever we would, on the ground, he would kill me because he was a teacher. But stand up, when we would do stand up and throws, I have a judo background. And so I would do pretty well against him. And so we started doing stand up, and he goes to jump guard. Because this is what a lot of Jiu Jitsu guys do when they don't want to get thrown. They'll just jump guard. So he goes to jump guard. I'm getting ready to pivot to do a throw. So it was like really bad timing. My foot's on the ground. He just jumped on my knee. His whole weight. And I heard my knee go cluck-cluck. Like it made me seriously inverted. And I'm like for sure. I look like a flamingo. Like it went backwards like a flip. And I thought for sure I tore my knee. Like for sure. I didn't actually bounce back. I got MRI'd and everything. Wow. And I'm like, I told him like, oh you tore my knee. There's a hundred percent. Nope, didn't tear it. That's crazy. And then the third worst injury, pulling the first time I dead lifted or pulled 600 pounds off the floor was with a trap bar, which I can lift about 40, roughly about 35 to 45 more pounds than a trap bar than a can of straight bar. I don't know if you guys ever tested that to see. And so the thing I like about a trap bar is it helps get me used to a particular weight before I go to the straight bar. So I could feel what 600 pounds is like. So I put 600 pounds of the bar and I'm grinding and pushing through and at the very top of the lift, big ol' my rib came out. Big pop. Boom! Right in my back. I put the weight down. I laid down on my back and I couldn't move for, I don't know, an hour and a half. And I couldn't breathe either for like the first 10 minutes. I had ribs out. You can't breathe. It's so restrictive. And I was like, am I gonna pass out right now? What's going on? That's it for me. Yeah dude, I mean I've had a plethora of injuries, but they're all like when I was younger, like for the most part. Like I did it all like through childhood. I mean, which is kind of crazy because I went and I've played rugby. I played football, you know, it's like super high impact sports. But the worst that I got from those sports was like I had like a MCL terror and then that was like my senior year. And then before that, it was a plethora of concussions which you totally don't count. Yeah, they didn't affect you. Hold on a second. You had a plethora of concussions? No, I had three. I had three like obvious ones where I was like, oh, that was bad. That was bad. So what happens? Did you get knocked out or did you just forget? No, like I still wanted to play because I was an asshole and didn't want to listen to the doctor. But like they do that test where they try and they ask you like questions that are, you know, whatever, who are you, what's your name? Like who was the president? Really? Whatever they come with. Really hard ones that I screwed up because like it's funny. You ever talked to somebody who had a concussion? It's like talking to somebody who's like super, super drunk. Oh, wow. It's really weird. It's bizarre. Like a slur or whatever? Yeah, like you just say like really random weird shit and like your brain is a totally different path. You remember what it felt like when you got the concussion? More that I was totally discombobulated. Like I just didn't know, like I didn't have any bearings. Like I didn't know where I was like and so they took me to the hospital after this one game and I had made like it was like one of my best games. I had like made the sack. I sacked the quarterback in the end zone. Got like, you know, two point conversion or safety and then like right after that like I was going on kickoff and I went to, I shouldn't have gone for the ball. Like they kicked it. You're never supposed to go for the ball if it goes over your head, right? You're supposed to let the guys behind you get it and it was like really close to me and so I just turned and grabbed the ball and caught it and then turned in, which is another thing you're not supposed to do. You're supposed to turn out. I turned into like, you know, they call them like wedge breakers and there's like three of them that all tackled me at my head. And they're running at full speed. Full speed, full sprint. So that one was bad. I'm assuming you let go of the ball too then after that. No, hold on, dude. Oh, okay. I'm just knocked out on the ground. Yeah, I just got clobbered, dude. Did you get knocked out or were you just, you got up and you were just... I mean, I saw stars and like probably briefly got like, you know, blacked out for a minute, but no. But yeah, and I mean, my arm, so growing up, I had two right arm breaks in the same year. That was the worst. So I basically broke my arm the first time I was on monkey bars and fell off like this really tall monkey bar. Like every 80s kid. Yeah, I feel like that's a right of passage. You fall off the monkey bars, you break your arm. And then like the end of the year it was like probably like six months later, seven months later, this kid that we were playing, I was playing with my brother's friends and this kid just like pushed me in a ditch and I landed on a rock and fucking broke it all over again. So I got really good at doing things in my left hand. And so for like maybe two years or so after that I was like ambidextrous. I could throw a ball with my left hand, like all that kind of stuff. There's a boxer that, an old school boxer, old-time boxer. I want to say Jack Dempsey. I'm not sure it was, but he, same thing, he broke his arm and then learned how to hit really, really well with his other hand and then became like a really, really good boxer as a result. It's interesting. Yeah, I wonder if that helped me at all, but like, yeah, I was pretty balanced. You know, like going into sports after that, like I didn't have any injuries. It was kind of crazy. Interesting. Yeah. Next question is from 4a Schneider. What do you guys think about the latest steroid use in CrossFit and the transparency they are showing? Will that be a good or a bad thing for the growth of the sport at fitness? So what's going on with this? Yeah, I'm totally unaware of this right now. Are they calling people out? Are they testing them? Did somebody get busted or? Yeah, I think, I mean, there was a T-Nation article that was highlighting it too. It's like sort of the, the elephant in the room that now is like kind of surfacing as far as like the usage is been reported like all over the place. Do you know if they even, like, do they test them for competition? Yeah, do they even test? So that's a good question. We should probably pull that up. I didn't get the, you know, CrossFit standards as far as like when they get into the games. Because I've never heard anyone get tested. I didn't think the games was tested. I don't know. Oh no, they're taking tests. They're taking tests now? Yeah, I just pulled up about an article right now. Five 2018 Reebok CrossFit Games athletes, including Emily Abbott, failed drug test. So CrossFit headquarters just released the full list of regionals athletes in breach of CrossFit's drug policy. Oh shit, Emily Abbott's a big man too. Who else? So let's find out. That's right. I'm all frowning and all those guys. You know what? Come on, dude. Of course they're all going to, well, I know I'm just, and the thing is it's such a new sport. It doesn't surprise me that it would go into that direction first and then they'd have to kind of scale back. Okay, here we go. Because it's like, if you're competing against somebody who is, you know, Emily Abbott, Emily Abbott, four year sanction. Whoa, four years banned. Well, good for them, man. Yeah. So that's, she got tested positive for Ebutamerin. Never heard of that. Anabolic agent, Ebutamerin. We need to look that up. Dean Shaw, Clomapheen. So he was taking Clomid. So now people are wondering, well what, and that's just, that's a selective estrogen receptor. That's post, right? Yeah. He must have, he must have gone off to try and pass the test. This is when you hear stuff like that and they get, they get popped for like, Clomid or something. It makes me always wonder like how many of these guys and girls are running it a majority of the year, but then they're, and then cycling off. Yeah. And this is right before this is just the person who gets broke. Look what they're getting caught. It's just like any sport though, you know, any professional sport. A lot of people got banned because they were taking Psalms. Psalms, Osterin, GW 1516. Wow. And then windstraw. This guy's taking windstraw. What an idiot. Everybody knows windstraw like will stay in your blood forever. Or maybe not. Maybe not. Everybody knows. Exogenous testosterone. I don't know that. You know what? This is good. I'll tell you why this is good. If you, if you want your sport to be mainstream and also to separate itself from, I think it's brilliant. I think the UFC, honestly, I think raised the bar for that. Like the UFC takes it very seriously. They're going like super, yeah, super crazy detailed with the way that they test and Usada comes in and like on a whim, you know, they'll test you. So it's, yeah, and that's the thing about sport. It's, you want to portray, especially if you want to minimize your sport, you want to have like people behind it. And so you want like kids to to play your sport and kind of grow up and perform the sport. You want to maintain that purity as much as possible. But when you get to like, you know, people that are doing it for their profession, they're getting paid to do it. I've always wondered why we don't have, just like we do with, you know, bodybuilding. Why do you not have like an all natural league and a natural league? I like that. Like, why not? Like, there are strict, you know, rules for steroids for the, you know, on, you know, the league that it does not have steroids. And then you have a league that allows steroids. You know, what's going to be funny about this? So this reminds me of when the UFC bought pride. You guys remember pride? Yeah. Okay. So pride was this MMA organization in Japan that notoriously did not test people for drugs. And in fact, there were rumors that they would actually give them to their athletes. So when, and there was always pride there was always this debate in a fight, the top pride fighter or the top UFC fighter. Like, you know, pride had like Vanderlei Silva. They had, what's the name? Mirko Krocop. They had, you know, Fedor Emilienko. Like, and then UFC you had, you know, people like, what's his name? Chuck Liddell. So, you know, Andy Corteur. And they would always debate who would win. And when the UFC bought pride, it was like, oh, now we're going to know we're going to see, like Vanderlei Silva. All the pride guys lost 30 pounds. Dude, like Vanderlei Silva, pride versus Vanderlei Silva at UFC does not look the same. Totally different human. Not at all. What's that one kickboxer guy? Tall dude. The Dutch kickboxer guy. Black dude. Fucking awesome. Yeah. You know exactly what I'm talking about. The K. No, no, no. Kong Kong. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, he used to fight in K1. Yeah. It was really, really good. Good looking dude. Dutch guy. Ah, I don't know who I'm talking about. It starts with a B. It's, fuck, I can't think of his name right now. Anyway, if we look up, like some of the top, he just got knocked out recently, I think, in a fight. Anyway, he looked super jacked when he was in pride. Like insane. Looked like an amateur bodybuilder. Comes to the UFC. All of a sudden, he looks like just lean, kind of skinny fighter or whatever. It's hilarious. It's going to be funny to see what happens across. Didn't Belfort come from there too? Belfort. Belfort was another one. That guy looked like a bodybuilder. He was crazy. Jacked. And then all of a sudden, he looked like a kind of, you know, like a fit normal fit dude. Yeah. So I wonder if that's going to happen with CrossFit. Now that they're testing and now that they know that they're serious, they just banned a bunch of people. Think about how, you know, like as far as steroids, like helping with recovery. I mean, that's the biggest thing with CrossFit. Because I mean, you're just going through fucking hell the whole time you're competing. I would, I would argue that CrossFit of all the sports, it would it be the most, would it be the most Overeem. Overeem. He was like a giant. Bro, if you pull up, if you pull up, maybe Doug can pull up, look up Alistar. It's here. I'll send you a picture of this dog. Alistar Overeem pride. And then we'll look them up. Alistar Overeem UFC. Look at the difference. It's like 40 pounds. Well, what do you guys think? I mean, this is total speculation, but I would think that steroids in CrossFit would be the most advantageous in comparison to any other sport that's out there. When you think of like the level of these guys, a lot of these guys are doing like your top, top guys. Are there weight classes in CrossFit? No, I don't think so. Oh, well, there you go. Yeah. You know, then in that case, it might not, it's probably going to be a huge benefit, right? Because you gain a little bit of weight because you're stronger, you don't have to worry about your weight class. Right. And then on top of that, too, you think of the recovery like Justin said, some of these guys are girls are doing three times, three times a day No, and that's what I'm saying. I wonder what they're going to look like, what the fighters are going to look like, or excuse me, what the competitors are going to look like now that the testing is more serious. Yeah, look at the difference. See how he looked right there on the right versus, you know, the one on the left or whatever. Yeah, you can add like 30 pounds to the guy. Yeah. And I wonder if the records are not going to are going to stay now. You know what I mean? Because some of these records were set when the study that you brought up, which I find fascinating, and I believe because somebody who has taken anabolic consistently before and then have been off now, I mean, I definitely feel like I've kept maintained. Yeah, you know, all of it, muscle memory, but a decent amount of it for sure. I mean, I don't, I think if I would have remained a kid who never touched anabolic, I think the pace that I was going on was being somebody who probably weighed somewhere between 180 to maybe at the top where, you know, I'm comfortably over 210 plus and it's been quite some time now. So that's the other thing too is like, well, fuck, what about these people that run this in the off season hardcore and then just get off? See, my whole thing is I'm just glad that this stuff's coming out because I I always push for the transparency of it. Like don't don't portray yourself as being like this awesome, pure natural out because kids are watching what you're doing. Like, you know, just be honest. If you're doing it, then be honest with that's fine. But like, don't like, try and portray yourself as this like, you know, I just got gifted with that. I don't, I don't shame anybody obviously because I have it. Well, here's, here's the other thing to look at now. Now I understand why UFC went crazy with their drug testing or why they took it so seriously. These guys are hitting each other. And the last thing could be, there could be an argument that for CrossFit, if they had just not tested and just said, hey, it's in our policy, but not tested, they're not, it's not a sanctioned sport. You know, they're testing themselves. Like, maybe it would have, maybe it would help ratings to have a bunch of jacked, you know, athletes doing crazy shit because it's a spectator sport too. Of course, sure. You know, of course it would. So in my experience, fans, people love that more. It's obvious. I mean, they would be having a baseball. They would be having a baseball after they started popping everybody for juice and then they saw the home runs going down. I mean, that's what, there's a lot of people speculate. I brought it up on the show about six months ago or more ago. Oh, they're messing with the ball. Yeah, because they're trying to figure out how, I mean, people just like to see home runs, man. People want to see the ball. At the end of the day, they got to make money. That's right. So, I mean, yeah, if CrossFit starts to see all the strength there and most, and most of the ones that are to have the highest like, like social media following and stuff, they're the ones that are and sometimes, and sometimes it's better to not say something because now they're bringing it to light. So now the average person watching CrossFit is going to be like, oh my God, all of them take steroids. You see, they bust it off when they don't test anybody, then you still have that debate like, well, they're probably natural. They could be natural. I don't know. I don't think they take steroids. They're not body builders, you know, it might have been a bad stubborn. What are some of your favorite functional exercises for experienced lifters who want to get more into that kind of training? Hecka, come on. I hate that. Just say hella. Hecka. Favorite functional exercises. I don't know if this, the one I'm going to name here. Can we, can we, I was just going to say, how are we going to classify a functional? I'm thinking of, what's not functional. I'm thinking of, is that a good point? I'm thinking exercises that are not mainstream, that are, ones you don't typically see. I hate the buzzword, functional, because everything could be considered functional, right? So it's, Right, a deadlift is nice. What are, yeah, what are some not common exercises that I think are the biggest pain for your block? Exactly. One for me is the Zercher squat. Zercher squat, I totally took for granted, didn't think it was that big of a deal. Then I started doing them on a regular basis, because I'd done them here and there, but I'd never trained them consistently. Watching my strength gains go up on it, and then watching what happened to my body, in particular, my posterior chain, my mid back, and even my arms, even just holding a weight in the crook of my elbow, really heavy, I developed, like, some more muscle and strength from it, and I can see it now being, it's now part of my routine. In fact, Jessica does Zercher squats every week, because she said she really feels it in her glutes, and that's always an area she's trying to target. So that would be one of my top ones. I have two unconventional lifts that I think have been and one of them is the Bulgarian split squat. Hands down for my lower body has been one of the biggest, I mean, not just strength, but it's also, I've seen the difference in my mobility, it's improved my squat. I mean, it grew my legs. It has been huge for me. So Bulgarian split squat, that one, and then the Z-Press. The Z-Press has been a movement that I love to teach people, and it gets my shoulders pumped, like silly. It does. It gives you, and then also that it promotes good core strength, good thoracic mobility, good shoulder mobility. You just, you can't cheat the movement. It's a really tough, like so many exercises, you know, that you can cheat your way through. It's, you know, it's tough. Like this is a movement that you just, you can't fucking cheat. It's a map split. You have to grind your way through. I've been doing them really hands down. I always make sure that I've incorporated into my routine. Even if it's a program that we don't have it in it, I still find a way to put those in there. Yeah, I think for me, definitely, like the windmill or bent press would be up there just because 100%. It shows me, like where, like so, I get really stiff and I get like restricted, you know, in my lower back and just, you know, in general, my thoracic, you know, I make sure that, like I keep, you know, checking up on, you know, it's not like I'm always doing that, like in the programs, but I'm definitely doing that to kind of check up and see, like where I'm at and how I can, because it's such, it's such a lift that like he wouldn't do, you know, throughout the day. It's an awesome lift. So that's one of them for sure. And the other one, I know, it's kind of obvious that I'm kind of like the rotational guy, but why I love like may spell training and doing these like 360 swings, like all the time. And so frequently, it fucking bulletproofs my shoulders. Like I literally have not felt any shoulder pain and shoulder pain was a big deal. Like that was something that would always limit me. Once I would increase my lifts or like get to a certain level, I could never break through until I started doing rotational type exercise. You never see anybody do it in the gym. You know, you don't see people swinging things around or using their arms, like a whole another way, like throwing a baseball or throwing something is a natural movement that we've evolved to do. I have to jump on board with you with that. You are the one that got me into the clubs and the mace. And I've now, it's been long enough that I've been using them where I've had stretches where I've been very consistent with it and I haven't been consistent with it. The minute that I am off and I'm not being consistent with the mace and the Indian clubs, when I go to do any sort of bench press, I get this pinch and this pain in my shoulder. Exactly. And it's that scary, oh God, if I go a little bit heavier, I'm going to do some damage here. And so it always would, it would limit me from pushing heavier weight when I'm being consistent with the clubs and the mace, completely gone. And that to me, and so I'm glad you went the rotational way because I wish I would have thought about that because the bench press and the clubs in mace are definitely three things that I've now incorporated into my routine that we just were not a movement that I would do that much because I have had the opportunity to be consistent with it and be without it and I can see the difference that it's made on me for sure. I like going through old bodybuilding books and finding old exercises that people don't do anymore just because whenever you try a new movement, especially ones that were established a long time ago, like the bench press, the bench press and windmills were staples in old strongman training. In fact, the bench press was a feat of strength. It was in a lot of their acts and it was just like the bench press of today. Nobody did a bench press actually. That's what I mean. That was like how much you benched. Nobody did barbell squats and nobody did bench presses back in the day and the problem was how to get the bar in position. That's why they never did them. There were no squat racks. So if you wanted to do a squat you had to be able to clean a weight, put it on your back and then do a squat. If you wanted to do a bench press you had to be able to get the bar, bring it up above your body, lay down on something and then press it up. So the bench press hadn't been invented and neither had the squat rack or at least it wasn't widely in use. So I like looking back and looking at some of these old exercises and then even old exercises of like the 60s and 70s like zopman curls. Zopman curls are great for arm development or incline lateral raises. You guys ever do an incline lateral raise? You've seen the old school bodybuilding one where you're laying down on an incline on your side and you're kind of bringing the dumbbell to your front and coming outside. Well, you and sissy squats, I mean that honestly I never did sissy squats until you know you kind of turned me onto those. Oh, I love sissy squats for quad development. So If you put a workout together that consisted of all the movements No, that we just said like literally put that together as a routine it'd be a fucking killer routine. We're missing a little back stuff. Everybody nailed some really good anterior stuff. We didn't do any posterior stuff there. Good mornings. Good mornings in old school exercise. You're starting to see people do it now but five to 10 years ago nobody did a good morning. Actually, if you bent over like that with a bar in your back People think you're fucking Yeah, they freak you out. Oh my God, you're gonna hurt yourself. Yeah. 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