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So I asked them to send it to 545 and here we are now even though they said that they didn't want to Everything happens for a reason this technical Thank you. Thank you Google Hangouts. Yes Matthew sure I am Matthew also known as thrill corner on Instagram My home park is also kind of bad. It's like compounds, but I've bolder dash in my backyard. So that's pretty cool But yes, it's my first stream. Hopefully the first of multiple You're the first person I met with a worse home park Wait, what's your home park? Okay? Okay? Okay, I could argue about that, but we'll see if the shade for discord. Yes, exactly. Yeah Also, can we oh, sorry, I'll let you finish first. Okay. Um, I'm Eastern. You know me My home park is six-foot adventure, and I'm gonna see some girls on Instagram Awesome, and everyone knows me. Oh, yeah All right That we're already at 31 viewers and we just started the introductions. That's pretty good. All right So we're gonna get into it. This is a new concept. I'm doing it's called control our videos So on our Instagram story polls, we're gonna do so for example if I'm doing a video about cedar point I'll post, you know The two most popular ideas and you guys vote and let's say I take one particular stance and you guys vote The other particular stance I will present a devil's advocate in my video Kind of explaining what you guys voted for as you know, the people watching the viewers and I have to present both ideas equally So definitely go on over to Instagram. I'm using insiders on Instagram and vote in our polls that we have up there Hopefully you guys like that idea. I think it's pretty cool. And I just want the videos to be more like Centered instead of being biased like a lot of YouTube channels So that's kind of an idea. I'm trying to get out just to make it more like well-rounded Let's get right into it. So Carol ends thanks to FG photographs on Instagram We've spotted the blueprints and the blueprints confirmed by multitudes of people who have been seeing them They're right out in the open. I got confirmation From someone even today that the blueprints are still there. They're still there. I would think that Someone would remove these from public eye where they drilled holes And I don't know if you saw my carolyn's update, but I just find it so hilarious that The blueprints are literally right where they just drilled a big hole for people to peek through And a lot of people were speculating that maybe the blueprints are fake because of that But they definitely match up perfectly to what was leaked a while ago So as you can see here, you can see the what I'm assuming is a Jojo roll Out of the station before launch. I'm correct me anyone to be if I'm wrong But yeah, I don't have too much to say about this because I did a whole video on it So we'll go one by one co-blast. What do you think? I think the first inversion could be something similar to helix Where it drops out at the station and then has a corkscrew, but then again like where the station was on the speculation or the Initial leak that we got It looks too close to have that so that's like my only thing that I have for that one Oh my god, I can't keep up with the chat What about you Eastern? Well, you know, this looks from what I've seen and from what we've seen with the blueprints it looks pretty similar to the week that happened a little while back and Overall, we know it's gonna be max and be great and you Awesome. What about you fluffy? Well, I just saw a comment that would be really cool and I'll note that out Casey and Anthony said what if the JoJo role is in a barn and then hangs you over copperhead snakes? Oh Would be an amazing that would be an amazing thing and Yeah, we've seen these match up, but let's just point out the obvious Carolin's made a major major boo-boo Casey and Anthony said that. Oh sweet. Good. Good idea. I just wanted to call them out for that. That was brilliant Keep going fluffy. That was my bad Well, no, I was I was just actually finishing that. Okay, and then Matthew. What do you think about all this? I mean the fact that it matches up with the original leak exactly it probably is true What's with Cedar Fair and not being able to hold back secrets? Like first we have Candace Wonderland and now this look at all these leaks But honestly, this is what Carolin's needs a good launch coaster and it's gonna be great fit for the park Well, well, I mean, let's be honest here I They're not pulling a six flags like waiting until February to at least start the construction I mean, you know, we're gonna prove before they even yeah, yeah I mean, I mean unless you're a fiesta, Texas, then I mean, you know Release it like five like three days and before rail plays her cry face For sure and I just wanted to take a moment to thank all of you Carolin's fans, especially you guys have been sending me non-stop content on construction updates So I cannot and could not do the updates. I'm doing without you continue to send it in Honestly, I love it. Glad that I'm expanding outside of Canada's Wonderland. I Guess we'll move on. Oh, there's more. Um, so on these blueprints Someone confirmed that the word county was on it which could Kind of confirm and I don't know if you look there But you can kind of see logos a little bit which looks like also a structure. I can't really make it out So maybe that barn idea and slash concept really is going to happen Do any of you have any to comment on that the possible theme maybe with the teasers and all that I Mean if it related to mystic timbers in some way, it'd be pretty cool Like Cedar Fair back stories just all weaving together be pretty cool I mean, I that's that could actually happen where they actually like, you know Tie in a bunch of different story lines like that we think that are like nowhere near the same And but they all just tie it together. That would be that would be something like next level for Cedar Fair Like yeah, we know that they want to try and bring back a bit of theming But no one nobody would they expect this kind of theming where they create a whole storyline to have their next like to have two or two to three years worth of coasters have a Similar storyline and share a storyline. Yeah, and that would be just like Out of this world theming for Cedar Fair. So if that ends up ends up happening Congratulations Cedar Fair Yeah, I think it'll be cool if they like like give references like for example twisted timbers Have some references to mystic timbers and if a copper strike is the same thing. I think that'll also be pretty cool Awesome Alright, oh All right, so thanks to bio reconstruct on Twitter I've been following this guy for a long time now and he is allowing me to use his content in a couple of videos So this is kind of a teaser to a video that I'm really working hard on because I want it to be a really strong good video I send it like Yeah, I'm gonna go there But I didn't realize how large of a scale this project was like take into account I just blocked out like one-third of it in the corner there But this project including ride buildings, which I don't even know what's going on in some of these buildings It looks epic It looks like this is going to be maybe is this if this is opening in 2019 This even if it's a family coaster in my opinion will win the best new attraction of 2019 Yeah What do you guys think I mean this is a lot to look at I'm just staying at this dual loading station. You can tell it's gonna be a high capacity ride. Oh Yeah It's also interesting how it's going under The station there with some sort of launch or maybe break run of some sort and then a launch Yeah, look at that track up there in that building. Yeah, it's also really actually know it's definitely a launch coaster You can see another section exactly like that on the other side What coaster do you guys think this is I? Heard that it's gonna be a motorbike type of coaster Yeah But I mean it's gonna have like we're like it's gonna have like a backwards launch source section and so Like a wave breaker book Yeah, I just can't help but look at this one element close to the Bioconstruct it looks like it turns one way and it looks like it turns you the other way like pretty quickly And it looks like an awesome element That's like You're echoing yeah, who's that guy? That's you I Think it's fixed. Oh Okay, I can't help but notice at the bottom right There's some sort of Pretty good banking going on and a yeah left-hand turn that looks pretty nice Um, I don't know what that's gonna lead to but if we see more of that throughout the ride that'll be really nice Oh for sure. Oh, this looks like an intimate coaster or mock. It does look like intimate. Yeah It's intimate. Yeah, those square supports are similar to the ones on wave breaker Mmm All right, anything else to say about this What do you oh? What do you guys think that this coaster will end up being like what what type and what model? Put it down in the chat Yes Want to get you guys involved? I definitely agree Yeah, me too. That's Definitely Honestly, what I'm seeing now it looks like it's gonna be a worthy replacement of dragon challenge. Yeah, I agree It might not be a B&M But still like what we see so far and knowing what universal does it looks amazing They said this was going to be one of the most immersive experiences. They've ever created so I'm really excited Okay, I'm gonna ask a very controversial question to you guys You think this looks like it could be no any Disney attraction because I'm about to answer and shook if everyone But this to me looks way better than any Disney attraction Yes I'd I'd say yes, and I'm a pretty big Disney fan boy. So same. Yeah. Oh Oh, I just noticed something. There's a little like launched. You can tell it's one of those intimate coasters like God, what's that name? What's the name of that coaster? Soaring with dragons Yeah, you see there's a spike there that launches you up and it's gonna launch you elsewhere Yeah, I was straightforward. It's just combining so many elements like launches in a spike And there have been rumors of a drop track. It's just this is going to be one heck of a ride You can almost see where the drop track is. Yeah Yeah, right over there. Yeah All right. Well again, there's gonna be a really epic video that I'm working really hard on I don't want to make it like a two-day edit project like I normally do or one day I want to make this like a good one because it deserves it But also same person looks like they're storing track over in their expansion area For Universal so there's still some tracking sort of there. There isn't really much to say about this. We'll just move on Anyone oh boy One of this coaster is Probably one of the best kept secrets so far if I'm not mistaken correct me down below as usual But they have done a great job at keeping this a secret and I'm not going to throw shade at anyone else Trust me. I'm one of the people responsible for ruining secrets elsewhere, but I Don't even know where to begin with guessing what this coaster is I've heard everything now. I've heard dive coaster. I've heard mock. I've heard intimate. I've heard wooden coaster In fact, I think I was the person that's the wind coaster than everyone was like you're done, which is fair But yeah, like I'm gonna leave this to you guys because I'm gonna play the GP card here I have no idea what this coaster is and I don't even know where to begin But let one by one you guys go over the facts that they've released and discuss them All right, we'll start with you Cobas so I Just had something occur to me just staring at all the numbers except for the last one Which we don't know. I feel like they apply to different rides in the park in some way like 220 wasn't that the drop for steel phantom Fact check me on that but I feel like that was the drop for steel phantom Three that could be referring to how many trains they're gonna run on either this or on a different coaster in the park nine same thing 197 could be the height of something in the park as well Like you never know Steel phantom drop was 225. Okay. Yeah, 226 Okay Yeah, I don't think the numbers really represent this attraction. I feel like it's A culmination of what they're trying to get to and the last number will reveal all of what the rides gonna be What about you Eastern That was a pretty detailed thought but I kind of think that these numbers are like related to the coaster now every number before 50 I thought it would have been either like a better would have been like a Mac hyper or like something from like not intimate but the coma or S&S rather is the company I'm talking about Like it being a dive coaster or like a larger storm in there I've even heard the Karnan that it could be something similar to that and 50 comes around and now I have no clue now Popular rumors that we're hearing with some of these numbers for example 197 and 220 that we a lot of people are believing that that has something to do with the drop of the coaster 24 a lot of people are saying are the capacity of the train so you can see it 24 riders in a train Um people 120 a lot of people were saying would be the ride duration 75 where people were saying that this was gonna be the miles per hour range 75 miles per hour Three three people were stating that it would be the amount of inversions and nine I believe people were saying with airtime moments, but at this point All I can say is that at this point. I have no clue what it's gonna be anymore. I Want to read I'm gonna use fluffy I Hate to say that I've got it, but yes, I still think I hate to say this But yes, I still think it's going to be something like soaring with dragon It's a long explanation, but a triple launch seems very likely Considering the many speeds slash height stats and he's not the first person that I've heard that from so I can see that being a possibility Oh, yeah, for sure At this point anything flexible because I don't think any of us know what it what applications is gonna be anymore Right keep going down the line because I inserted myself there Well, I'm I'm kerfuffled You know every time they release every time they release a number You know we think one thing and then they release another number and we think another one This is so far been the most kept coaster secret of 2019 like a 2019 coaster that we've probably We're all confirmed. We're all kerfuffled. I mean my word. Yeah Every time they come out with a number it's one thing and then they come out with another it's another thing They're throwing us in so many different directions. They're just like They're masters at this. I mean They've even said that That's not an arm see or like they Anyone is silencing him Just a bit just a bit I Don't I just don't know. I mean, yeah, I'm sure nobody knows. I mean except the park of course but whatever this is Whatever that last number is I Still don't think that last number Will even give us remotely even close I don't think it'll tell us what it's going to be At the slightest. I don't think that last number is going to be Like it's not gonna give it away Like because we're still a ways out because obviously they're most likely gonna announce on National Rollercoaster Day Like every park does So I mean, I don't know. I mean because we're a while's out a while out from National Rollercoaster Day Who knows we might be seeing another card Depending on when this next number is revealed So we might be we might be getting another card I don't know this kerfuffles me Matthew, what do you think um? I'm still sticking with the SNS rumor. I've had somebody who's Pretty reliable. Tell me it's going to be an SNS custom multi-looper Um, I'm you can take that enough grain of salt with the grain of salt you want. I'm gonna believe that as for timing I My I bet the last number is going to be released by the end of this week and either they're going to keep teasing or They might release some details at Kenny con for all we know which is a big ace event at Kennywood on July 21st So maybe the announcement will match up with that I don't know all I know is this is probably going to be one of the most anticipated coasters for 2019 when it's revealed offended So you brought up a good a good conversation want to talk about before we move on When are they gonna announce this because so if this is the card and the only card and fluffy brought up a good point Maybe there's a second card But if this is the only card that maybe we're looking at an announcement this week or next week And I want to explain why that might be plausible. So You know with a coaster like the Canada's one-on-one that's getting decently Hyped up now and you know Carolyn's coaster is getting like really hyped up to maybe Kennywood's like You know what we need our coaster to shine and we've seen this by Six Flags before so maybe we need an earlier announcement to get the The light it deserves Yeah, opposed to announcing it with all these other big attractions and it might get overshadowed Yeah What do you guys think I? Could I could honestly see that happening especially since 2019 is looking to be such a big year with Wonderland Carolyn Yeah, Magic Mountain even you know American dream don't forget about that Yeah, all of them are looking to be you know having all these big attractions and you know They might want to do that that way. It's like oh, well, they don't get you know thrown underneath by like Wonderland and Carolyn's you know much stuff. So I definitely think we could possibly see an earlier announcement All right. Wow. Okay First off theme park crazy with that with the super chat They're gonna read it. So also Kennywood sent ace Western Pennsylvania a fortune cookie to tease it soaring with dragon is Chinese So it may be that last number is an announcement date. Oh Maybe Or maybe the announcement dates in here. No, oh nine Nine twenty four nine three who knows no because eight. No, they said right. That's right. I guess and they said these Numbers are all right stats. Yeah Yeah, I I'm gonna say it I think 2019 has the potential as an overall year for coasters to be better than 2018 and this was like the best year in a very long time. So I'm really excited. Yeah, I agree Awesome Wow, that was a big conversation. So, okay, this one's another Big topic. I mean Hyperion in my opinion wasn't really on my radar and it should have been But Hyperion has begun testing And it looks Really epic and this brings up a good conversation because you have team Hyperion and you have team steel vengeance Which we won't really get into because I'm not able to ride Hyperion this year. So I can't comment on which one's better Nor can any of us really but Hyperion looks great I mean, I wasn't expecting theming and with theming this coaster looks absolutely amazing. I mean This is definitely Going to be probably the best Of its class for sure. I mean look, it's so tight. It's like Honestly, Intamin's maybe like and all of you know how hard this is for me to say but maybe Intamin is making a combo And I mean, this is exciting because I wasn't expecting this. This looks phenomenal It sounds really smooth. It doesn't like look like it has any problems that you would Typically maybe expect from Intamin's past But what do you guys think? Hey, you guys comment down below and I'll respond and read and then you got cope starting with coblast What do you think? I'm just gonna throw out one and Don't hate me for it, but I think the ride is a very short That being said it still looks amazing and it caught my eye just now on how well it looks And a couple days ago. I saw it testing. It's probably the first Intamin in a long time that has a chain lift besides like the vertical lift coasters or the the water coasters but It just moves well. It's very well-paced. It goes through decently high capacity train and a new train on that hand. I Just think it's gonna turn out pretty well. A lot of people are probably gonna flock down to energy land You know within the next two three maybe five ten years to go and ride this thing and other rides they have to offer Mm-hmm, so yeah, what about you Eastern? um so For like Hyperion, I can't I literally can't handle on this coaster If you know me, you know my top five and Skyrush basically is a mini Hyperion in a sense and overall this coaster just looks amazing. The airtime looks great You know Everyone just has to remember that this is the first like testing, you know video of it So you can't really like comment on the pacing too much But if the elements look amazing once it once it like really gets going and it has more runs And it'll it'll probably run even better. And yeah, I agree with you could blast people will be coming down for the next 10 or five 10 years just to experience this What about you fluffy? I mean wait, this is a 2018, right? Yeah, yeah Okay, cuz it you know, it's already summer so It it really looks and like it's gonna be an amazing ride and yeah what Eastern said this was the only this was the very first test and This was the first test so we can't really judge it on it on it right now We have to let it test some more and then see how it runs like constantly and Yeah, this is I don't know I mean Once we actually have some enthusiasts ride it and once it opens up and a lot of people start riding it We're gonna have a I feel like we're gonna have a another big debate on it team steel vengeance or team hyperion like when when they were the back when hyperion was announced So Who knows? Yeah, I'll I'll I'll jump in here. Um, I think Hyperion is going to easily be one of the best coasters in Europe. I mean its layout looks fantastic some of his curves in the bank and all looks amazing and especially when you consider that energy landia has a great new generation of a coma already and they're Getting that great RMC in a few years. It's like absolutely insane and could probably give steel vengeance to run for its money I think in a few years. We're looking at a world-class park with some awesome rides Yeah, for sure. All right, I guess that's it for Hyperion Okay, let's go big hopefully my mic is working. Yes, I think I need to get a new mic at this point I always thought it was internet problems, but it looks like it might actually be my problems So I'm gonna talk very little then if I'm having my problems because I don't want this to ruin the stream but Magic Mountain has clearly started somewhat teasing for their 2019 coaster And it looks like it could be a mock coaster from what we're hearing and seeing over at mock and in the coaster community So what do you guys think about this project? And what do you think it's gonna be and do you think it? It's going to outdo carolyn's mock coaster if it's a mock coaster go a blast I'm just gonna say the area that they're showing us is huge And it engulfs Everything that was there so deja vu used to be there now now. It's just rotting away at New England Apocalypse is there. I had have a feeling that might be closed for a while if it's not already closed But yeah, this is gonna be a huge project we're gonna hear a lot about it in the future In terms of it outdoing carolyn's coaster, it's really hard to tell at this point If it takes up the whole area besides where apocalypse is then yes, definitely It's a very long ride and a very not necessarily drawn out but like very intense experience and very long Inverting coaster Otherwise, I don't know if it's gonna take up a small area where the Where I'm thinking the shoot the shoot is I've never been there, so I don't know then Probably not, but it's hard to tell To us to answer your question this shoot this shoots is over by whippers revenge. It's on the other side of this way, right? Yeah, okay? Wait, yeah, um I so at this point, we know it's most likely gonna be a matte coaster from max mount which Uh speaking on Six Flags I think that's a really good thing because that shows that Six Flags might be in a better state for adding in coasters because In the past couple of years. We haven't really seen anything over 15 million dollars And if they're able to put in like coasters that are more and like more unique now Yes, this is magic mountain with the fact that they're you know spending more money on coasters and all that I think could be a very good sign for the chain As to whether it will be like a Mac hyper or a Just regular back multi launch I think it could be either or because people are saying that He's your rivals was 22 million and this coaster My coaches must be around 20 million, so I definitely think that It's possible and I mean honestly, I just think it could be it could be either or but nevertheless I think it'll be a great ride and then it's from Mac Well, I'm gonna keep this short because my dog's growling right now, so I'm she's probably about to bark This takes up a lot of Hush see I bet you can hear I guess not So this takes up apocalypse is area slingshots area and shops and buildings areas and they Apocalypse it's it's it's tough for it because it it did just go down a Quiet bit ago and um and you know this I personally, I Mean we only even I don't know We don't really know much of this project. I mean for who knows This might not even be for a coaster. Who knows they might just be doing a renovation of the whole area and They need to close it. I mean we really don't know anything about this and You know, we'll have to wait and see until we get some Some sort of teaser off fluffy I wish I put you last now because what you just said it would have worked smoothly into the next slide But okay Okay, so I Want to go back to the video Just talking about it that Brendan posted for cga in that video They said and then they were showing the track or whatever they were showing they said that it was for a Mac big eight I Am 90% sure that they're talking about a big dipper as big dipper car seat eight people They said it was for a park in California and obviously it's too early for this to be cga because that's probably 2020 and They said it was going to be a 20 million which is expensive for a ride of that type and If it was expensive for a ride of that type it wouldn't be a hyper because that'd probably be pretty cheap for a Mac hyper But something like lost gravity, which was I correct me if I'm wrong It was about 15 16 million that would make sense. So I my mind. I'm predicting a Big dipper for that area in 2019 So I'm gonna give you a chance to respond because some people are saying that What theme park crazy is saying wouldn't that have low capacity? it would but Yeah, I Mean the last coaster twisted class is pretty high capacity, but then again, they have stuff like Green Lantern. So I don't know See what happens And we also did just see them put in into vS. The Texas a raptor. So, you know, yeah, good point All right Yep, come out from Matthew No, actually, it's Eastern. No, it's not Not me I'm making a video on this This is actually one of my most exciting videos. I'm producing right now It is six legs magic mountain versus cedar point. It is all about the coaster wars and are they starting again? In my opinion, you'll have to wait for the video. So I'll let you guys go into that What do you think about the coaster wars and do you think cedar point and six flags are about to go head-to-head again? We'll start with you co-blast so I feel like so if the coaster were starting now, it's not going to be Going for the tallest attraction anymore It'll be going for the wildest craziest rise they can think of kind of like how steel vengeance went just now So maybe a lot more parts are thinking of oh, how are we gonna top steel vengeance or Hyperion or any other super intense ride like that? In terms of the choices you picked I love them Fire looks amazing Renegade looks cool. If that's renegade. I don't know it is. Yes But yeah If they keep going wilder, that's what's the next coaster war is gonna be in my opinion Eastern um Wait first, let me ask am I echoing? No, you're good anymore. Okay. Um six plus magic mountain versus cedar point. Um, I Think the coaster wars might be happening again. I mean, I mean Six plus magic mountain and cedar point. I'm you know, as we know, they're me they're like the biggest competitors for coasters Magic mountain is trying to hit 20 Coasters and cedar point is just trying to beat magic one and everything um, I Think both is like a Mac would be great for magic mountain and a GCI or flyer or you know, whatever it is or a polo coaster Be great for cedar point, but I definitely do think that coaster wars might be happening again And so sweet no comment. Oh Jesus oh Yeah, um, I I think It's easy to argue and it's true that cedar point as undeniably won the past few years I mean with I was like Val Raven and Bruegel Rue and so obviously steel vengeance And I feel like if magic mountain is gonna want to defend its title as amusement park at the most roller coasters in the world It's gonna have to fight for it and I bet the coaster wars will restart for that reason Yeah, it's it's crazy to think what's gonna happen with these two parks Well, it's magic mountain has a head start And I think I'm hoping fingers crossed for them That this next coaster is going to be insane. I mean, I I don't know if that's a teaser in itself How much land they put there on purpose in the image? But I'm hoping it's insane. What were you gonna say fluffy? Oh Rest in peace Eastern first off second off Okay, yeah, he left Okay, and you remember you have to remember the coaster wars it just wasn't it just wasn't these two parks it was a ton of parks and so It can be a ton of parks again, it doesn't have to be this it just it doesn't have to be just these two parks I mean Canada's Wonderland six five straight ventures six five straight America all of these parks can get involved in This great big coaster war two Yeah, I mean, I mean even international even international parks They can um that you know, they can actually do it like Energy land you who knows that might be a part of this soon um With the way that they're going so I mean, you know, this is yeah, this is gonna be I Think it's gonna be bigger than the original coaster wars Obviously that started with Magnum XL 200 the very first hyper coaster ever and I think it'll finish with to be honest. I feel like This could pop it this coaster work possibly finish with a polar coaster if that's even going to be possible Who knows it? Whatever it is. It's gonna definitely finish with a very very huge bang I think I think it to be honest. I think it started with steel vengeance Yeah, I agree Yep Let's all blame steel vengeance. Yeah, I think this is great. I think a coaster war is great I do disagree with you fluffy though. I don't think it's gonna include other parks I think at this point six eggs magic mountain and cedar point are just Gonna compete against each other cedar point or cedar fair is always said quantity quality over quantity But I think with cedar point we're gonna see a lot of coasters in the next coming years Yeah, and if I can say something The six last magic mountain and cedar point probably are the two parks that will always like have enough to actually insert coasters Because some of these parks, you know while they might have been involved in the first coaster wars Like they might not like make enough income to like add coasters like constantly it's like magic mountain cedar point since you know They're like But you know eastern eastern remember they don't it's not quantity about the coasters I mean say not for example, I think that's gonna be an okay example to get even gift if they get Um, I it doesn't have to always be like a You know doesn't always have to top each other it just it can be a it can even be as much as hype Like the hype of the coaster how much hype it builds up and like It just it's not about the coaster itself necessarily and someone is going again Eastern and And which parks get which? I mean so say we see knots get For whatever reason a giga I say for whatever reason because I know that super unlikely which is why I'm using it Fuffy, are you eating your mic? No, I Was fixing my I was fixing my phone though Okay But um Yeah, so we're definitely I mean if knots even so I'm gonna use the knots and giga Model for this example if they put in a giga After let's say that magic mountain does their DC rival style coaster for you Let's just say that's what it's gonna be if it's a DC style coaster Or a DC rival style coaster that we see knots put in a giga And then we see another one another coaster with from another park just being added. I mean basically, it's just whoever finishes Yeah, it's just I Think it's gonna be more about hype and the intensity It More than how many coasters are actually put in Okay, so we're gonna move on to the next one because it's a good conversation. We could go on hours with this and we can't afford that All right Okay, so we're pulling out the big guns So as many of you know Over the last couple days there have been two sides to a story now. So there are giga There's the giga argument. There's the smaller than Valor Raven argument and there's the in-between argument So Our channel was slightly personally attacked in this we'll say Secondary argument of it being smaller than Valor Raven and as many of you know, I love people countering me I love conversation and Whenever I presented an argument I presented with evidence. So I'm a hundred percent okay with someone going There's no way this is gonna be larger than Valor Raven blah blah blah. It's gonna be smaller No records can be broken. I love that because now what I'm gonna do Is I'm gonna represent some epic evidence to you that would suggest it's gonna be larger than Val Raven now I'm gonna go back to the hole. Is it a giga dive? Many of you know that in all of my videos I say I Personally don't believe it's going to be a giga dive. There is definitely evidence there But I do not personally see it because it is really hard to believe that Cedar Fair would go that far up From Val Raven when they could just go a little bit like 255 to me sounds like a really great number and I just don't see them jumping to 300 unless there was a bigger plan that we don't see yet We do know that Canada's Wonderland's getting a hotel and there's potential for them to become a destination park And that would be the only reasoning I would see now there is Some truth and there is some good arguments behind it being smaller than Val Raven as well And I don't want to this video isn't too Overshadowed that either because you should listen to those arguments as well So you're not getting overhyped and then this does end up being smaller than Val Raven All I'm gonna do is present the evidence that I find at the park daily Since I'm there every day and it is up to you guys to Talk amongst each other and to participate in the comments section on what you think is going on So what I'm gonna do guys is I'm gonna quickly present all the evidence and then we'll talk and we'll read out comments down below because this is a great conversation Now Again, I have seen blueprints and I do have access to the blueprints. I'm not going to show blueprints I haven't already shown I do not want to Leak anything more than what I've already leaked This isn't because I obtained them illegally. I have I'm in all my right to post the blueprints But I am just going to share what I've already shared That's all I need to share with you for you to get a better idea of what's going on But trust me I wouldn't be making these far outlandish comments if I didn't have somewhat of a reason to believe it So we'll get right into it The argument is that this coaster is going to be smaller than Val Raven in order for this dive coaster to be smaller than Val Raven It would need less than 65 meter long So I put a 65 meter long lift hill per se on this map I know the lift hill ends here where it says 65 meters I've seen the final footer for it and it needs to turn in here and dive So that would mean the lift hill would need to start in the middle of this path. I know for sure That's not the case The lift hill starts back here Starts right here where the tree line is so One would assume based off of this evidence and again We are assuming the angle of ascent in this predicament and in this predicament so We did do some measurements on CAD and CAD is pretty reliable if you have some good shots and we do we feel like we had some good shots Came out to a 45 degree angle It actually came out to about a 45.8 degree angle Val Raven's lift hill is about 47 degrees So it's slightly we're assuming it's a little less than Val Raven It might actually end up being 47 degree angle, which would help our case even more, but let's let's assume 45 so This would make This would make it being smaller than Val Raven completely impossible in my opinion again. This is my opinion. I'm just stating What I'm seeing every day Come announcement day, I could very well be wrong and I'm ready to own up to that and I Mean that's all I have to say about owning up to it But as you guys have know in my videos, I do state every time that we don't personally believe this is going to be a giga dive coaster We've given you height ranges for a reason We are doing everything in our power to present mathematical equations to you guys based off of what we're seeing We're not making fat sup and thin air. Let's go on to our next one so here's the Lift hill blueprint we've blurred out the rest of the blueprint for the protection of the park And we don't want too much information getting out, but we measured up with Sizing down and matching up the blueprint to its surrounding area So for example barracuda blaster and Lazy River were on this blueprint and we perfectly matched it up And it came out to about ninety point sixty four meters long now you have to account for some Room for error in that so again, this does bring us back down to the eighty five eighty meter So eighty to ninety meter long lift hill that we've always been saying We're also accounting for using CAD measurements a twenty four deep tunnel and a hundred and five foot-long tunnel So this again is a really long pullout and we are stating if you guys could respond to comments when presenting this and I'll start responding after But we are just presenting again what we're seeing so we're not confirming anything nor do we know and the blueprints did not Say the height of them. I do not know the height of the coaster just to clarify that No one knows anything about this coaster So when you see someone posting something online that they know what the coaster is It's not true. No matter who it is. No one knows anything about this coaster I've seen a lot of this coaster and I'm missing a lot of information. So just to put that into perspective So this is the part that is the biggest Shutdown to this not breaking any records. So here you can see elevated Level number 44 column number 44 Elevated level does not mean column like I said in a previous video, but it does mark the footer So an elevated level means something elevated for this coaster. So for example, theming might be elevated But in for this example, it is just a track blueprint So everything elevated is for the coaster and you can see that by the column matching up with the number of the elevated So this is column number 44 left and right marked at elevated level number 44. So it's matched up perfectly When the ride exits and again, I'm not stating anything new. I am not leaking any new information If there's anyone from Wonderland in here, I'm just posting what I've already posted Which I was allowed to do Because we got this on public property again. So just for anyone, we did not obtain these illegally So do not break any rules or laws to obtain any information about a coaster But you see column number 44 heading out towards timber wolf's entrance. That's a really far distance We don't know how far it goes Right now from this one picture But we do know the returning columns are marked 70s in the 70s So one would assume looking right here. This is Val Ravens records support columns 51 This coaster has between 80 To a hundred support columns So based off of evidence And looking at its competitor Val Raven One would assume that it is longer at least to that of Val Raven And then one would assume also that dive coasters lose speed Very quickly. So One would assume this coaster Is probably larger and that is this is the kind of evidence that we've always been presenting to you guys Again, we are not spitting stuff out of thin air But we're just presenting so then this brings up the whole conversation with all of you guys So probably So Pope I will start with you. What do you think of everything? What do you think of the two sides of the argument? And where do you stand on the two sides of the argument? Hmm, that's a good question I feel like how big it's gonna be we're gonna have to wait and see but all the math that's been presented to me on here Is very convincing To it being larger than Val Raven like At this point if someone told me it wasn't going to be I just wouldn't believe them But I'd agree with them anyways just to like make them feel better If that makes any sense Otherwise kudos to you for giving us the geometry lesson here in amusement insiders Well, I mean we were kind of attacked yesterday, right? We were we were someone claimed that we were pulling facts out of thin air and I'm gonna say something again. I put a lot of work into this Um, and that's why I got super offended and upset I put so much work into this like we use actual software. There's a whole team of us Even viewers have been helping us solve Like equations and putting stuff together to figure out stuff about this coaster So we are not at all pulling stuff out of thin air. Could we end up wrong? Yeah, there's there's a big chance we could end up wrong for sure And uh, we're very honest about that um But again, there's nothing more fun than presenting things that we're seeing and then speculating about it If there was no speculation about a coaster, it would literally be the most boring community Probably in the world. I mean speculation is like A big thing that gets the community talking and that's why I love seeing both sides of the story So if you guys think it's going to be smaller than about raven comment down below As long as you don't attack how i'm getting my information Comment down below. I love it. Um, I'll have you already know that for my video So i'm not going to go into depth on that, but yeah, keep going. So kobas are you done talking? Oh gosh, why am I looking like um, well, I guess I'll keep the short Oh, um, I think Based off of like evidence and like, you know, the things on cat and you know, just everything that's been presented so far I definitely think it's going to be larger than about raven. Um How large I don't know how much larger it'll be, but I do think it'll be And that's all I have to say Yeah I was like confused by the conversation going down below and then I realized it's like six flags versus cedar fair In the comment section. I was like, I was like, wait, what? I will say before you asked me to talk. I was very distracted by that conversation, right? Right. I was I just started reading it. I was like, whoa I Oh, you can totally say how you feel fluffy. I know that you're probably on the smaller right side I don't even know Come on speculate fluffy. He's confuzzled. I wait devil's advocate then I will speculate I feel like it will Be taller and longer than val raven um I think I spread and I think it was you who said that um that the The lake uh, like the dive under the lake or the pond will would add about like 20 or 30 feet Yeah, but 24 is what we're guessing 24 feet of height um or drop height Length or whatever you want to call it. Um I feel like that's how it could break val ravens record to be honest. Um, the only problem with it is that The only problem with it is that with as with the whole thing that like From all the prediction layouts that we're getting um with With it being val ravens height. I don't see it Um from the prediction layout. So we have we see that it could have two mid course break runs I don't see it. I don't I really don't see having two mid course break runs um So maybe I'm gonna interrupt. I'm gonna interrupt. We did update it So we have a new prediction layout that came out after studying the brew prints a little more Oh, okay. Wait. No, that was one with the two mid courses, right? No, no, no Our newest one has uh, just one mid course Oh, okay Yet to release, right? It's released. Yeah. Yep. Okay. Okay, then uh, never mind. Don't listen to a thing. I said, I will be right back I'm going to go watch it Before I talk, I'll I'll I'll let uh, matthew take over and then I'll come back. Um Once I once I quickly watch it and then I can talk. All right, matthew Um, I I just agree with eastern. I think it's going to be bigger than valraven If it's going to be a giga. I literally have no idea But it I I'm on the side of bigger than valraven and basically But yeah, I mean Yeah, I Yes, basically Oh, look at this I think uh, oh, thanks. Thanks for doing all. Yeah Talk longer. I just got to the top of the lift hill I mean, I I definitely think it'll Break all the records that valraven has. I mean, why would cedar fair like not try to outdo themselves Especially with this big more project with the early construction and whatnot. I I think we are looking at a bigger coaster than valraven Mm-hmm Now it could go down the unique route. Let's say So compared to a smaller dive coaster than valraven. I already know it's not so I compared the support structure that I see on the blueprints to valkyria And it doesn't match up whatsoever. It matches literally identical to valraven in terms of support structure for the lift and the drop Um, they as a very unique support structure for that Um, so it's definitely not going to be smaller. I could see them going same height for the uh At a minimum the same height and then have a larger drop and then it being longer and then you know Between everyone it seems like this is going to everyone seems to agree that this is going to be the most unique dive coaster So even if it is the same height Or smaller, it seems like everyone that's reporting on this or knows something about it is saying the most unique So that's at least something exciting If it happens to be the same size But again, based off of evidence that we're seeing we're there every day We have like the angle. We have blueprints. We have blah blah blah. It definitely appears to be larger but, um Come announcement day if i'm eating my words, please meme the crap out of me We'll do fine Fine pictures and meme the crap out of me. I want this to be the funniest kerfuffle ever when they announce it and it happens to be smaller than val raven You guys can quote me to this. I will bake a cake with his words and make him eat it on camera Do it do it All right, so I watched the uh, I watched the video I will say Thank god, there's no second midcourse um Yeah, um I feel like there, I don't know. I don't know if it's just me, but it looks I mean obviously brennan can't say this um because of he can't really spread out the layout, but um It it looks it seems as if there's some things missing from it. That's all I'll say also Eastern eastern The dive loop that uh coming out of the path I'm pretty sure that wouldn't pass that canada. This is wonderland I've got hit by it I got hit by that path Oh on the coaster. Yeah, they have the path You're welcome he says All right, do you guys have any questions before we wrap this up then? Um, let's I'll read some the memes will roll in. Please do. Please do. There's nothing more funny than owning your own mistake What's that? Me me says kerfuffle your whole community realizes you're a mean Deploy the memes kerfuffle a kerfuffle kerfuffle I don't even know what else I say eastern. Wow eastern. I He said kerfuffle a If it's slower than val rave and give it back to cedar point True anyone 2026 mac giga coaster What exposed video did you say will happen if something shady happens? Uh, no comments. It already happened Hey I actually Eastern spell I cup anyone here excited for what's coming this is that's great adventure in 2019 What I actually want to comment on something's coming so basically, uh, if you saw my video That I recorded and made um, basically A lot of people are speculating that great adventure might be getting a raptor in 2019 um, it's been a popular rumor the park president commented that 2019 for great adventure will be a great year And that they're gonna add something in uh big and that they you know I've been planning it and stuff like that and a lot of people are producing a raptor, but um We can't really say too much until we see how much is being cleared Uh, it is july and if you look at wonder woman, they started clearing that land in uh, july So I'm really excited to see what the park does and uh, you know what land they clear and Just to see if it'll actually be a wonder woman clone or will it actually be a skyward Or will it be? Yeah, I I I'm willing to say that it'll be a uh raptor But it could be a raptor or it could be a skyrope or it could be a t-rex for all we know or it could be like Some flat kitty flat ride Yeah Yeah, um, I'll be at the park Probably next Wednesday sometime next week, so I'll get some footage if possible Yeah, um in case anyone's wondering like if any of you have the home park of great adventure One I go there pretty often And number two if you're wondering what area it's in it's in the golden kingdom section Um, it's near splash water a race a wasis which is rumored to be removed So, uh, yeah Uh, who's getting canone in six Oh Who blast you want to talk about that or possibly Yeah, we've already talked about it. We've already gone so far on on this stream. I think we should wrap this up No Do the 32nd version could last I don't have anything to say about it at the moment. Okay. All right. There it is folks. It's official Awesome. So, uh, we're gonna wrap this up now. 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