 Welcome back to the breakfast in Plosivia Africa. We head straight to our second conversation where we look at the Children's Day celebration and our current reality. Now, as Niger joins the rest of the world to celebrate Children's Day, stakeholders have appealed to government to address issues of insecurity in North and bridge learning gaps among school children in the zone. Since February 2014, Nathan Niger has experienced at least 10 high profile attacks on secondary school. More than 1000 school children have been victims of mass abduction by AM groups, while some of these students have been released. A significant number remain in captivity. Boko Haram has continued to attack schools, abducting students and using them as suicide bombers or marrying them off as girls to soldiers. Attack on school children have many implications for students themselves, along with their families and the country. A large insecurity focused on centres of learning, if your parents are on willingness to send the awards to schools, thereby advancing Boko Haram's goal for preventing Western education. A recent report revealed that over 600 schools in six states in the North were shut down in 2021 due to widespread insecurity. Compounding the situation, children without education can be specifically vulnerable to recruitment by bandits. The wave of insecurity in the North in Nigeria has therefore created a generation of children whose education has been permanently retarded. The shortage of education could also lead to skill gaps in workforce, reducing youth's ability to catalyse solely needed economic development. Rafiu Katouye is an author, the heroine of faith. He's here with us this morning. Rafiu, I hope I got your name correctly. It's good to have you. I probably would have said I have your children's day, but it feels like no, we're no longer children, are we children? Well, so let's get straight to the crux of the conversation. With all this going on, especially insecurity, and you've seen the statistics, the data that's been made available, do you think that we should be celebrating children's day? Does it call for any sort of celebration? I mean, you have physical events and activities to commemorate this day? Yes, but so badly, you have so bad reflection, but that doesn't allow us to celebrate so badly. The situation speaks for itself going by what just rector us now. Before you engage me, the insecurity in the country is alarming, except we choose to shy away from the truth. But the truth of the matter is that no matter how we try to shy away, these very issues of security keep showing up, staring at us in the face every day. The issue that took Claire Sherigo to captivity, February 19, 2018, is still very much with us. February 19? Yes. February 19, 2018, is still very much with us. And right from that time, there have been multiple. My concern is really about Claire Sherigo and her likes that are still in captivity. Let me take it from that point of February 19, 2018, when 109 students of Government Gas, Science and Technical College were kidnapped, a month which is Lea Sherigo. Even before then, you will recall that there was Chibok kidnapped abduction, then Dapshi. Thereafter, we have Kangara. Thereafter, we have Dandume. That one was, before they could take me to the nearby bush, they were rescued. Thereafter, we have Kangara. Thereafter, we have a, I can't remember the name now, but if I can read and 317, wake it up. Thereafter, we have the Afaka something. Then, as we speak now, as we speak now, the Along Kaduna Abuja Road. Some villages, they are being almost being governed by the terrorists, not really Bokwara. I heard that on the news recently. So, but let's get back to when abduction started. I mean, looking at the statistics and the figures that's been put out, we're looking at 2014, at a time where you had all of this abduction going on. There was Chibok before 2014. Yes, and so a lot of people have said that this is actually not true, especially with the Chibok, so there's a lot of back and forth with that. And some people said that some of these reports are really not true. They're just being fabricated. And so it seems like, you know, some politicking has been going on, you know, with all of this. And I know that you have authored a book. Yes, you put out your thought. But what do you really know about, you know, all of this kidnappings, especially in the north, you know, the northern part of Nigeria, north-west, and the north-east? Thank you. When Chibok adoption occurred, it was a, they almost made us to believe that it was a rumor. I'm taking it from what you said. But when Dapshi happened and this other series of adoption, it became clear to everybody that this thing is not being plain politics, that they are with us. So the point here is that we should be ready to face the reality, although it's a terrible one indeed, but we should be ready to accept the reality and wake up, stand up to it so that this issue can be put behind us. Okay. So it's not, let's not believe that these issues are a rumor. So why do you think that this children has, if you look at these attacks and the pattern that we have mentioned, it's targeted towards, you know, schools and at the end of the day, it sends a signal and so we have seen that there's been some resentment towards education. Thank you ma'am. The main terrorist group that actually came, brought this issue to light in Nigeria is the Bokwara. Going by their name, Western education is forbidden. So that is the message that they are trying to pat across to us. And that's why they keep attacking the children, going to school to adopt them, so as to discourage people, to put fear into people from sending their children to school. So that is their target, ma'am. But either they are winning or they are not winning now, the answer is left to you and me going by what we have on ground now in the nation. So do you think that the government has done enough and on this particular day we were seeing, there were celebrating children, you know, international children's day or children's day, however you want to put it, do you think that the government has done enough in terms of protecting these children and showing, because every child has a right to life and a right to the basic things of life, education is also part of it. So do you think that the Nigerian government has done enough? They are trying their best, but it's not good enough. They are paid to have been overwhelmed by this issue. When you say overwhelmed, what do you mean? When you are trying to address an issue and the result is not forthcoming, the terrorists seem to understand this issue, so they keep attacking. However, like I said earlier, the government needs to wake up, needs to do more, needs to, needs to, so that the, the, this group will not win, will not win in their attack because the way it is now is as if they appear to be winning. So I will say that governments, though they are trying, they need to do more, better, much better than what they're doing now. Also, can you be very specific? As in equipped, our military, much better than they are now. Although recently some Tukanos were bought and fighters, I'm, I mean, I'm all vehicle for them. But then we still seem not to be getting results. Some people said that government are through a lot of times, maybe to go after the, this terrorist group. And I wouldn't want to say they are totally wrong in the sense that as we speak now, there are, there are, there is no single conviction at the law courts since this issue started. So that, this seems to embodying the terrorists the more. So if government say it's trying, we are doing our best, because I, I can recollect, when the issue of a dark chicken abduction occurred, no, our president referred to it as the issue of national disaster, if I'm right. And he, he encouraged the military to work all out after the, the, the kidnappers. After about four or five weeks after, some of them were rescued. Through what they call the, behind the scene arrangements. So what I'm trying to say is that what the government has to, has to bring to the table needs to become, become more obvious to people. Although they are trying, I will not, I will not really want to blame them as in school. I may put the play squarely at their feet, although, although, let me just round up this point. The, the, our constitution put it on their shoulder. The, the, the, our responsibility of security, I mean, the issue of our security and welfare is primarily the responsibility of our government. So they should not shy away from that. They should do more. They should do better than they are doing them. Um, just before I get to the other question. Okay. We know that when about 2014, about that time, shortly after you had the 257 or thereabout, if I've not mistaken abduction of the chip of girls, you, you, you had the safe school initiative as an idea that was launched. I'm not, I don't know if you're aware of this, but it probably might just be, but I'll put it to you. The reason for launching that initiative was to assure safety of, you know, schools. And so one of the, one of the ways to ensure the safety of these schools was to go about with perimeter fencing, because we know that some of the schools that are located in the nothing part. A lot of schools, not necessarily in the nothing part, but you also have a lot of schools these days, especially public schools without fencing and so all of that. So the, this also was also a means to ensure it was an effort. And then you had sponsors to ensure that you have, you don't have a reputation of this incident. But I like to share your thoughts on the safe school initiative, because it hasn't really worked. I mean, if we're here now, and if we're talking about thousands of schools shut down, we're talking about 11,000 and some fractions shut down. And schools, a lot of parents not even being able to want to send their kids to school. What could be responsible? I can't remember the jagara, could not, which was the highest so far Cancara, is it not the Cancara? Cancabee, cancabee, yes it's Cancabee. In Sampara, which was, which still like almost the highest adoption in numbers. One of the released students said that she would never go back to school, that her life, her dream is to become a doctor. But I want to believe go by what I experience, you know, at the hand of the kidnappers. She said that she's not going to go back to school again. So the issue of a war offense, this issue is bigger than war, because many a time the terrorists will break into the war and enter into the school. I think the government needs to provide, particularly the noticed, security, feasible security around and within the school. Beyond the issue of that, that's part of the security. That's what I'm trying to say ma. There should be physical presence, because the way it is now, we need to stand up to this issue ma, honestly. We need to stand up to this issue, because most of the, how many of these schools are being guided by the police or the military, even as we speak now. Maybe some distance away, maybe some checkpoint here and there, but not really around or within the school. Or even when they are within the school, by the time the terrorists appear, they seem to over around the security and do whatever they want to do and move away with these children. Well, some people say that these schools are in isolation, but let's also, you know, look at the development over time. We've had several developments, and so one of them would be the bring back girls. It was a movement that was initiated. Do you think that that's also achieved anything? Looking at it, efforts that government has made an effort on one hand, whether it's collaborative. You've also said government has made their own effort while also looking at some of these things. Let's also come back to movements that's been carried out by individuals and citizens who are respected. Yeah, thank you ma. Particularly the bring back our girls, it seems to be more the most popular among these initiatives. Going by maybe the popularity of his convener. I don't know if you have permit me to go ahead. Go ahead, go ahead. Doctor, I'll be execusily. Who happened to help to be the person that forwarded the book recently released on Leasharibo? But in the process, there are so many actors, actors, you know, groups fighting, you know, erasing their voices concerning the issue of school adoption and terrorism and what have you in security? I mean, generally in the country. Hardly do you listen to news that you will not see people talking about this issue? So what I'm trying to say is that the let's not say that maybe we are not achieving results is better to talk than to keep silence. Somebody said when you keep drumming a drum, it will get to a point. Some people will start listening to you. Although it might appear to be frustrating because it's like as it is now, most of this talk, most of this campaign seems not to be achieving its desire results. The same thing, another thing I also discovered because it was of recent that God just used me to write a book on Leasharibo. And I believe God also wants to give me a voice. We'll get to that point. We'll definitely get to that point, you know, of your book. But let's also, you know, stay with this now. In all of this, because it's really worrisome. Yes, worrisome, yes. Why has it looked like or why is it looking like it's a hopeless situation? Why haven't we been able to protect these children, our children, you know from this bandit? Now it looks like, you know, mandatory has become a political weapon. Why are they so emboldened from Boko Haram, where having different names and different groups emerging. And they seem to be carrying out one and the same, you know, objective. However, G childish.. The tax has been in schoolslessly. Recently, if you look at the population of student rights in examination, the state like domains was excluded. They couldn't really have students filing them and some as uses that Government is owing and has not paid. Some people feel like that's also a hoax. Rwy'n meddwl, rwywneud yn defnyddio cyflots. Rwyf wedi gallu'n gweithio y bydwyr i'r ysgol. Rwyf wedi eu gweld如何au, rwyf wedi'i gweld yr hyn sydd eistedd o'r ffysgau yr hyn. Rwy'n meddwl eichMyr Cymru sydd wedi syniad yn hallu eich llei. Rwyf wedi gallwch y byddwyr eich gwaith y gwyrdd ar eich byddwyr o'r frydydd. Yn i wneud, rwyf wedi cael ei wneud i'r ei wneud i'r awdnidol. byddwch yn lieriaib. Rydyn ni'n ddau i'w ziwydyniaeth, rydyn ni'n ddau i lieriaibr, a fuddiad o'r ymynedd ar ystod, roedd y fawr i'n cyfrifio, oedd y ddiweddio i ddiddordeb o'r wych? Yn gyfnoddiaeth ysgolion yma, roedd y fawr i'n ddiddordeb, ad am fawr, mae hwn wedi cyffredinant gael, yw, diwrnod, a'r hyn o'r ystyff sydd e'n bod yn ei ddim yn dweud i gyfrigio yw'r ysgol. Rhaid, mae'n roi'n roi'n roi'n roi'n roi'n roi, sefydliad. Ond rydych chi'n teimlo yn ei ddim yn ei ddim yn roi'n roi'n roi, ond mae'n mynd i jei â很 yma. Mae'r eu colledau na fwy cwrs ar y gwaith, rwy'n cael ei Wyf Wysinol ym Nwy, i'r Cynghoriff yma ar yng Nghymru, mae'n amlwg â Cynghoriff, Yn hyn, nid yw'r cyffredin iawn, nid yw'r cyffredin iawn. Mae gweithio'r業 yn ystafell. Yn y gallwch yn gweld y gynllun yng Nghymru, mae'r cyffredin iawn yng nghymru yn ein gyflwynt. Mae'r cyffredin iawn yn unrhyw. Mae'r cyffredin iawn yn y cyffredin iawn, os yw'r cyffredin iawn. Rwy'n meddwl, mae'n meddyl â chyflwydd. Mae'n meddyl â gwyfysig arall. Mae'n meddyl â'n meddyl â'r hwyl. Mae'r ddweud y gwyfysig yn ffordd, mae'r ddweud o'r informatio'r cyllid yn y ddweud, mae'r ddweud o gwyfysig yn y ddweud. Mae'r ddweud hyn wedi cael ei wneud... Mae'r ddweud hyn sy'n cael ei wneud... Mae'r ddweud... Dwi'n continue i, yn ddweud hynny'n ddod fel y cyfryd... Dwi'n meddwl mynd i, dwi nes disio'r strech y bydd. Ieau amdano chi'n gweithio... Dwi'n meddwl amdano chi... cydnod? Yn gyfnod, yn fawr, mae'r pethau dyna'r ystod. Ond yw'r cymaint yn ddifoliyd? Mae'r cyfnod yn ymddi am gael y dyfodol sydd o'r cyfnod. Wrth gwybod, mae'n ddifol yw'r cyfnod. Mae'n ddifol yw'r cyfnod, mae'n ddifol, yw'r cyfnod. Mae'n ddifol sydd o'n ddifol. Mae'n ddifol sydd o'n ddifol yw'r cyfnod. Mae'n ddifol sydd o'n ddifol a'r cyfnod. Cymru y gallwn cynnwys i'r cyffredinol, mae'r cyffredinol yn cael ei ddechrau, wrth gwrs, mae'r cyffredinol yn cael ei ddechrau, yn ysgrifeth arall, ond, ychydig yn ysgrifeth, mae'n lleol. A erbyn y dyfodol y gallwn gwahanol a'r gwahanol yma. Gael eich cyffredinol yn ystod i'r rhai bethau ar gyfer arfermwyr a'r cyffredinol. os ychydig. Rydw i ddim ni'n ystod gyda'n fawr i'ch gweinio'r berthynas i'w'r gwybod, y dyfodol yn gybreisio'r meddwl yn cyfeirio ac mae'r fwrdd yn gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio gyda ffwrdd â'r llun o plwy ein fan olaf. Rydych chi'n dechrau mewn cyngorio ar beth gweithio, mae'n rai'r gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio. Mae ydych chi'n oedd unig llwyddiad ar gyfer gafoddiad y byddai yn sffynt y byddai yn unrhyw ni'n dweud ar gyfer gafoddiad o gyfoddiad hefyd? Felly, mae'n gwneud o'r ffordd fydd oherwydd. Gwrth yn gadael, rwy'n ddim yn ei gweithio. Mae mae'n rhaid i chi, gweithio'r ffrus ychydig iawn. Mae'n rhaid i chi eisiau bydd ei wneud. Mae'n Codelliannol eich ddweud fel hynny. Y ddweud y bwg? Y ddweud y bwg. Y ddweud y bwg yw'r risyn i'r llwyddiadau. Y ddweud y bwg yw'r risyn i'r llwyddiadau i ddweud y ddweud y bwg? Dyna'r ddweud o'r bwg yw'r risyn i'r llwyddiadau? Mae'n ddweud eich hwn. Nid yw'r rhai o gweld? Rydyn ni wedi porwy brws deol ffordd. Mae rhai ffordd y mae gen i'w'r cyflwyffr yn bwysig, y ddwy ffordd. Fe wneud Llyr mennyddol ein wneud. Rwy neud y gwbl ydym yn maen nhw'n bwysig adrodd. Rydym ni'n bwysig ar bod ag y ffordd y mynd i ychydig ar y bwysig ar y bwysig. Vargwch i fy ngyfnodd cyddiadionfatherwyr sydd wedi'u cael iddyn ni, ac fan hynny'nediol wedi gweithio hwnnw. A gweithio hynny ond mynd i gael weithio, Gweithio weithio'r chrystyn, ddaeth yr hoffa, ac yn gweithio i meddwl y prif, a'r hoffa yn gallu gweithio, yn sicr ddulliannol. Rwy'n dod i yw'r gweinio, mae wedi'i dda ni'n advertisementu arherwydd gael ffates. Mae'r ddau'ch ond yna'r ffates. Rwy'n ei ei cair achosi'r dda ni. Mae hynny'n rhai oherwydd bwysig ychydig i yn cyrdeithio. Felly mae hynny'n mas gwaen fydd o'r cymdeithio a'r ystyried. a mae y Digital Bead yn Cyddi, Pen chwarae roll savedara iawn I that many of us will be able to stand on what we believe on our conviction. In the face of burial of guns on what we believe on our conviction, in the face of burial of guns. I want to like in her issue to the issue of Jesus. I don't know if I'm permute to the issue Jesus. The more you cross, the more you sacrifice. He chose to sacrifice life for mankind. The same thing Lea did, and she still paid the price for that. She chose to sacrifice her freedom for Christ. Si'n gwybod i'w gwneud o'r ddau sydd wedi'i chyfnoddau y bydd ychydig ar y proses a'r bydd hwnna'n gweithio'n ddau. Mae ydw i'r ddau sydd wedi'u chyfnoddau, mae'n gwneud o'r ddau'r gwybod. Dyma'r prysau i ddau sydd wedi'i chyfnoddau sydd wedi'i chyfnoddau y byddai a'r ddau sydd wedi'i chyfnoddau sydd wedi'i chyfnoddau. ac mae gyntaf eich cyntaf. Yn ymddoedd yma. Yn ymddoedd yma. Raffiw Cwtthae. Raffiw Cwtthae. Raffiw Cwtthae eich cyntaf yma. Raffiw Cwtthae eich cyntaf eich cyntaf yma yma, ac mae'n rhaid o'r ysgriffa yma, ac mae'n rhaid o'r cyntaf o'r cwrydiau oherwydd o'r drwyth o'r ysgriffa ym Nidr. Felly yn y peth o'r ysgriffa. oedd gwaith yn oedd y cwmfysgol, gan hollwch chi'n gwaith gyd am wneud, i'ch ganddo nhw'n ddefnyddio ac ydych chi'n roi oedd wedi bod ni'n gofoda'n gweithio'r yslets. Rydych chi'n ei wneud yn ôl yn y gallu'n cael ei wneud. Ac mae'n gweithio ar y bryg yn ymweld, a wnaeth yna'n gweld y gafodd yma ar y cwmhysgau'r gafodd yma, yn ymddangos, yn ymddangos, yn ymddangos, yn ymddangos, yn ymddangos, yn ymddangos. Rydyn ni'n meddwl.