 Israel, the state of emergency and war in Israel, bringing Israel's story to the world. I-24 News Channels, now on Hot. This is an I-24 News Special Report, Israel, at War Day 52. I'm Albert Lewitton at the I-24 News Headquarters in Tel Aviv. Welcome to our viewers around the world. If you're just joining us, the ceasefire between Israel and Hamas continues. It has been extended by two days in order to exchange more hostages for prisoners. There are five things you need to know right now. Number one, here's how the next two days are going to work. Twenty more hostages, women and children, ten per day, in exchange for sixty Palestinian prisoners, thirty per day. Number two, if you were watching I-24 News late into the night, eleven hostages were released last night, nine children. One of those children, Yuval Engel, is now in a wheelchair. All of them are from the Kibbutz Niroz. 180 of the roughly 400 residents of Niroz were killed or abducted by Hamas. Number three, the fathers of all these children have not been released. In fact, of at least 160 that are still being held hostage by Hamas, more than 100 of them are men. There are still 60 women and children being held hostage. Number four, there are reports this morning that some of the hostages, the little children, are being passed around by clans within Gaza, being used as bargaining chips, including the youngest of the hostages, ten-month-old Kfir Bebas. Number five, Israel Channel 12 is reporting this morning that one of the released hostages in their debriefing with the IDF says that in the early days of the war, they were taken to Kanyunis, where they were met in the tunnels by Hamas's leader Yahya Sinwar. The hostage says Sinwar spoke to them in perfect Hebrew, asking for their identities. Let's talk about the eleven hostages that were released last night, three-year-old twins Emma and Yuli Kunio and their mother Sharon Alon Kunio and 11-year-old Yuval Angle, 18-year-old Mika Angle and their mother Karina Angle Bart. Also 16-year-old Oriakov, sibling's 12-year-old Erez Calderon and 16-year-old Sahar and 12-year-old Eitan Yahalomi. Take a look. A live situation right now, and there is a press conference being held right now by the Bebas family. This is now the family of ten-month-old Kfir Bebas. We're going to take a listen to it right now. They still haven't been released. Kfir is a ten-month-old baby, and Arielle is four years old. At the moment, they are the youngest hostages still remain in Hamas's captivity. All the other children have been released already. We don't know where they've been held. From what we know from hostages already being released, they are kept underground. There's not a lot of food, poor hygiene. All of this is making us really worried about a four-year-old and a ten-month-old baby that still needs formula as his main diet. Ever since they've been kidnapped, we know nothing about the condition or what they've been held. So we call upon the Israeli government and Qatar and Egypt. What's the noise? Excuse me, Dawn has feedback. Please mute your microphone. Please mute your microphones. It's bothering us and interrupting your conversation. Thank you. Thank you. So today we call for the Israeli government, Qatar, Egypt. Everybody who are involved in this negotiation and this deal to do whatever they can to include our family, to include fear the ten-month-old and the four-year-old to include them in this deal and to release them as soon as possible. Every day there is a danger to their life. They must be released as soon as possible. Eloni, you want to add something? Yes, Julie. I just wish to remind you that this has been 52 days for a baby and a boy in captivity. There is no precedent in modern history for something like this. This can't keep going. It can't keep going. 52 days is so long. Ariel has several medical conditions and she needs baby formula and need to develop right. We've already lost so much. They don't have a home to get back to because it's already been published. Wait, wait, wait. Please be yourself. Please mute. Further. All right, let's take a... We're going to jump away from this press conference right now. What you saw there was the family of Kfir Bebas among the whole Bebas family. Kfir Bebas, Ariel, four years old, Shiri, the family begging for some help. Now, as you know, the Kfir Bebas, the 10-month-old, is the youngest hostage being held by Hamas right now. Imagine a 10-month-old baby being put in a tunnel for one month, one-tenth of its life already in an underground tunnel, unable to see what's happening outside, unable to be with family members. I mean, this is just absolutely horrible in this situation. I'm joined in studio right now by Olivier Rafferwitz. He's with the IDF and I want to thank you very much for joining us. You saw this family pain, their anger and their upset. It seems as though they were reports this morning that the Kfir Bebas, the 10-month-old baby, was being used as a bargaining chip. It seems that Hamas is actually continuing to play with the nerves of the family. It's a real horrible psychological war that Hamas is actually doing against the Israeli people and, of course, against the Bebas family. It has been said, according to different sources, that the Hamas terrorist army has actually transferred the two children, the baby and his brother, Ariel, to another terrorist group. Some people talk about the popular front of the liberation of Palestine, the FPLP. But in all the cases, for us in the Israeli army, we consider fully and only responsible Hamas as unique and so responsible for the well-being of the two babies. And there's no indication whatsoever at all where they may be. I mean, we don't even know if, unfortunately, whether or not the babies are even alive or the family may be alive. We hope, and we take the assumption that all the hostages are alive. We are waiting for them alive, so we're not going to elaborate about that beyond it. Livia, I'm going to go back to the press conference now for the Bebas family. We're re-established connections, so let's go ahead and let's take a listen. We need you to understand that these are not just pictures, OK? This is a real baby there. And remember that we've lost so much already, OK? Their grandparents have been killed, massacred. Their home has been tarnished. So they have so much to go through already. The future is not bright here. They have so much pain in the future to keep living through. So please, let's make our best to bring them home. We have so much recovery to do. Thank you. Just as a reminder, there's a demonstration happening today at four at the hostages square in Shaul HaMelech, 25, Tel Aviv. We will now open the floor for a few questions. So we would like to take a few questions. Please unmute yourself and ask your questions. Make sure that you do not ask questions over each other so we can hear everyone. Maybe a question for Ofri. What's your last name, please? And who are you related to? I didn't get that. I'm sorry. Ofri Bebas is the sister of Yerdan Bebas, who is kidnapped together with Chiri and their kid. Thank you. I guess that is not the decision of Ofri. Hi. I'm sorry. May I ask a quick question, please? We are going to break away from that press conference right now. Apparently there's some connection issues and some questioning issues. Let me go back to Olivier Referee who is here in studio with us from the IDF. Do we have any progress at all from the Red Cross on proof of life? There was a discussion. Jake Sullivan, the US special counsel, national security advisor, said that they were expecting, the US was expecting an answer from the Red Cross by the end of the fourth day, which would have been yesterday. Do we have any indication from the Red Cross whatsoever that they've been able to make any contact with any of the hostages? According to what I know, there is no contact between the ICRC, the Red Cross and the hostages. And we must wait and hopefully that this thing will happen. But for now, I'm not aware of it. This was part of the agreement from what we've been told that they were supposed to have some sort of, this is what the Red Cross is supposed to do. This is part, they've been doing this since the Geneva Convention was established in 1849. Every country that subscribes to the United Nations, subscribes to the Geneva Convention, Israel does, Palestine in quotes, and I use the word quotes because there's no discussion who it is. It's supposed to be involved in this. They've not lived up to that agreement. At what point do we say, hey, something has to get done? As you know, many questions have been raised concerning the role and the activity and the action of the Red Cross. But for now, as you can imagine, because the ICRC is directly involved in the release and the transfer from the terrorists to the Israeli side, I'm not going to give any point about it. Fair enough, fair enough. There was a report that came out this morning that the US has asked the IDF not to displace the Palestinians who have been moved down to the south according, and I'm using a quote now, not to repeat. What's the IDF's position on that? In this matter, according to what we are now in the middle of, there is this pause, pause of time for the release of the hostages. In the framework of this pause, people from the north can continue to go southward. People in the south cannot move to the north. Tracks from the south with humanitarian assistance can cross into the north. But for now, because I would say with the operational situation adapted to the pause, there is no possibility for any move from the south to the north. Now, concerning what you are just mentioning, we are still in a war against Hamas. The war is not over. Now we are only in a pause for the framework for hostages release. So our position is very clear. When the pause is over, the military activity will continue everywhere where we need to go in the Gaza Strip against Hamas. And the people there know it. I mean, this is not news to them. People know and people also have been informed. Along all this operation, the Dali army has been keen to inform by different means the Palestinian population where to go, where not to go in order to prevent human lives. Because combats were allocated in many places and we informed before previous to the combats. So it is the case in the north. It could be, and it will be the case also in the south. I want to now bring up the Palestinian prisoners who were being released. The math has always worked out that it's for everyone Israeli hostage that's been released. There's three Palestinian prisoners released. I just want, these are not traffic infringements. There's word this morning that potentially on the list is someone named Ahmed Tamimi. Let me read something that she wrote. I'm going to put it up on the screen right now, if I may. Our message to the herds of settlers is that we're waiting for you in all the West Bank cities from Hebron to Jenin. We will slaughter you and you will say that what Hitler did to you is a joke. We will drink your blood and eat your skulls. Come on, we're waiting for you. Now, she is one of the most rabid anti-Israel, anti-Semitic Palestinian prisoners that are being held right now. And she supposedly, I mean, whether or not you can confirm you probably would be able to that she is on a list to be released. These are the people being released into society. How do you assure the Israeli public that someone like this is okay to be back in Israeli society? You know, at stake now, almost 200 people still hold by Hamas as hostages. We talk about Israeli human life as the priority. Now, the price to pay is a price that we have to pay because there is exchange according to these powers. So I'm not going to, again, to elaborate about it. If you ask me if I like this one or not this one to be released, you can understand my position. But in the framework of this release of hostages, we will respect the clause. I understand that, but I wonder whether or not, if any of these who are being released, are they being told to make one slight mistake and we're putting you back? No. They're not? No, not in this framework. No, but now, don't forget that before we did it, but it did not help really. Again, all of these people, even young women have been released, are not very nice people, you know, they are not innocent, younger ladies. One attempt to do suicide bomb, but the bomb went off ahead and she was disfigured. Two younger Palestinian girls who were 16, I think, at the time, or maybe even less, and they took scissors and wanted just to kill a Jew, but he was apparently a non-Jew, he was a Palestinian, and they were therefore killing him. They made a mistake and they wanted him. But all of them have been arrested and have been put in prison because of violence and violent activities, acts against Israel. So you talk about this one and another one, all of them actually have been released, but all of them have been jailed, not because they didn't do anything, because they did something. Olivier, I'm going to have you hold on one second. We're going to continue our live team coverage of the War Day 52. I'm going to go now to Robert Swift. Robert said the hostage and missing square in downtown Tel Aviv, Robert. The folks there are looking for another answer as to whether how many today will be released, any answer, any questions that we have gotten from the people there. I'm sure you're asking and answering the same questions. Yeah, essentially there's a lot of hope, anticipation, but also trepidation. People, you know, they want to see more hostages being released, but they don't have any clearer picture than anybody else's when that's likely to happen to. Now, what we've noticed today is that we're in the square outside the Tel Aviv Museum of Art, which has become now known as Hostages Square. But something that was very visible today is that many of the people visiting here, many of the crowds, were in fact students. There's groups from schools that have been brought here with teachers, teachers giving impromptu lessons on essentially what has been occurring here. And we spoke to one of the teachers that had brought his students here to show the memorials in Hostages Square. Let's take a listen to what he had to say. I think what's happening in this country now is very important. It's maybe life changing for this country. And so it's almost our duty to understand this, really understand this and sort of understand what people are going through, not just through what they hear on social networks, but to see it with their own eyes. It's historic, it's dramatic, and it's the human thing to do, share this experience. Rob, it seems as though what people are doing there, I know on normal Saturday night, this past Saturday night, the city was absolutely empty and most people were at the Hostage Square where you're standing right now. And it seems that people are doing that almost every night. It's almost like they're paying vigil. You pay your respects, you pay your honor. Even if you may not know anybody who may be held hostage, you may not have had family members who have been held hostage or killed in October 7th. And it seems like it's really the place to pay respects. That's right. I was here at that event the other night where there was about 100,000 Israelis in attendance. Now, those numbers are not being reached on every evening, but there are people coming here from about 10 o'clock onwards in the morning throughout the day and into the evening. As you describe, a lot of these people are coming together into sort of communal memorial events, whether that be standing around a piano and with somebody playing another singing or forms of prayer groups that are taking place. Now, with regards to the people that are coming here, now, most of them are, as you say, they're just ordinary members of the Israeli public. They might not have direct connections. They might not have direct relatives involved, but the Israeli public has essentially unified and come together over the collective loss that occurred on the 7th of October. And that's why many of the members of the public that we've spoken to here have come here to protest or to campaign or simply to take part in the memorial for those members of the Israeli community who are inside Gaza, even if they don't have a direct blood relation. Robert Swift joining us now from the downtown Tel Aviv at the Hostage of Missing Square. Thanks so much for joining us. We're going to continue our live team coverage of the war day 52. I'm now going to go to Pierre Kloschlander. He's at the Ichelov Hospital in Tel Aviv. Pierre, tell us a little bit about what the 11 hostages that were released yesterday were brought to Ichelov. What are their conditions right now? Well, they're all in a stable condition, physically speaking. Regarding their emotions, regarding their mood, state of mind, it's very difficult to assess. And I think that the psychomedical team of the Ichelov Hospital is just assessing that and it's going to be a long process that will go beyond their hospitalization which usually lasts for a couple of days or three days because they're eager to go back to some sort of return to their life. Although it's going to be changed only. What they have in common though is the fact that they all came from the same kibbutz, near Oz, which was the site of maybe the most horrific massacre on October 7 in which 100 Israelis and 18 agricultural workers were killed, 79 were kidnapped and now there's about 49 people from near Oz that are still in captivity in the hand of Hamas and other terrorist factions. All in all, there are still nine children that are in captivity, over 40 women in captivity and all in all, something like 161 to 167 captives in the hand of those terror organizations. It's not clear still. Now, regarding the kids, they come from five different families what they share in common is the fact that their fathers are in captivity in the hands of Hamas. One of the most dramatic examples is Etania Al-Omi, an Israeli-French Jew citizen, is 12. He was abducted with his mother and two sisters on two different motorbikes. His father was defending the kibbutz. Now, his mother and two sisters managed to escape before they went into the Gaza Strip. He was taken away into the Gaza Strip without his father. It appears his father was wounded in the battle to defend near Oz, but then he was also taken captive. But he managed to escape before they went into the Gaza Strip. He was taken away into the Gaza Strip without his father. It appears his father was wounded in the battle to defend near Oz, but then he was also taken captive. But he managed to escape before they went into the Gaza Strip. He was taken away into the Gaza Strip without his father. It appears his father was wounded in the battle to defend near Oz, but then he was also taken captive. Welcome back to I-24 News. I'm Albert Lewatin in Tel Aviv at the I-24 News headquarters just to bring everyone up to speed. It's day 52 of the war. This is the first day of the second part of a ceasefire that has been released, that has been put through a two-day ceasefire. 10 hostages are expected to be released today. That leaves 160 that are behind. Now, what is life like as a hostage? It's a question that is beginning to get an answer because more Israelis have come back from Hamasic activities. They've now told their stories to family members. I-24 News' senior defense correspondent Jonathan Raghav has the story. 51 Israelis are back home from Hamasic activity. The public is not yet aware of everything they went through during their seven-week ordeal in Gaza, but some family members have given a few insights into the living hell they experienced. We removed various times from place to place. Sometimes those places were below ground and sometimes above it. When we needed to go to the toilet, we had to knock on the door and wait for them to take us. Sometimes it took hours before they took us. They were well aware of the Israeli military operation which had an effect on the conditions they were held in. We were afraid as we could feel the bombardment above us. It shook our beds. Sometimes our captors would lock us in and run away during those times. And perhaps the most astonishing testimony of them all was of a very surprising visit shortly after they were kidnapped. We walked a long time in the area of Han Yunus until we reached a tunnel and then a large hall. The Hamas people seemed to be quite nervous and then Yahya Sinwar walked in. Speaking perfect Hebrew, he asked us for our names and then calmed us, added that nothing will happen to us here. A comment from the Hamas leader meant to reassure but was probably far from reassuring. Just part of what these hostages went through, those still in Gaza, more than 160 hostages are still suffering. I'm joined in studio by Olivier Refowitz from the IDF also with Jonathan Rega of the Senior Defense Correspondent here at I-24 News. Jonathan, what is the most surprising thing out of all of the stories that we're getting back from those who've been held hostage? What surprised you the most? First of all, this visit by Yahya Sinwar. Apparently he visited the people who were captive right after they were captive a day or two after. Speaking perfect Hebrew, we know that he speaks perfect Hebrew from the very long years that he spent in Israeli jail and the fact that he actually came to visit the people. The mastermind of all this terrible murder, rape, all of those terrible things that have happened coming in and reassuring, calming those people. I don't know how reassuring it is to see Yahya Sinwar reassuring you but that is what happened. That by itself is quite astonishing. Also the fact that some of the captors at times, they locked the people when Israeli bombardment was on, they locked the people and ran away. We also heard a similar story coming from the Israeli who was released with the Russian citizenship also saying that when the war bombardments, many times the guards simply left, he was able to actually escape at this time but he was eventually caught again. I think this is only the tip of the iceberg. There are many, many stories but we're beginning to hear about the ordeal that these people suffered also lack of food. There's not a lot of food. Very difficult times. Jonathan, hold on. Olivier, let me ask you this. What information from these hostages that have been released is helpful or is it more anecdotal? More that we, you may have no idea, may already know a lot of this. It's just more that, to color the picture better. Everything is very important. As you can understand, a lot of information is coming from their stay on 50 days with Hamas. But because it is very important, we cannot release what has been told. But also to take into account that many of them are still family-related there. So they cannot release information that could endanger to their own feeling if the father or grandfather or brother. So all of this issue is very delicate because, of course, when they live there, we get information. Now, we were told about the many factions that still remain in Gaza, no matter what. It's not Hamas. I think people outside in the U.S. or maybe around the world who think, oh, it's just Hamas that's in Gaza. It's not. You have Palestinian, Islamic jihad, the al-Qasamrige, you've got all the different factions. So is Hamas really the target or is it also the others that are there, the target? First of all, it's a very good question to ask because it's very important to clarify. Hamas is fully responsible for all what's going on in the Gaza Strip. But like you said and you are right, there are also other terrorist organizations, something like Islamic jihad is also very important. And also you have the popular front of liberation of Palestine and has been mentioned as one of them keeping hostages, maybe Biba's kids in their irons. But all of that, all of that I want to say it clearly, Hamas is so unique, responsible for all what happened or what is happening to the Israeli hostages in the Gaza Strip because they kidnapped them on the 17th of October. I'm going to have you hold on one second. We're monitoring a live press conference. That's Foreign Minister Eli Cohen. Let's take a listen. As of now, 17 foreign workers from Thailand returned to Israel, 15 more are still held captive. The connection of the state of Israel to Thailand is important, is strategic. These are very friendly nations. We promised the visiting Thai official that the Thai workers who are in Israel working here and that the Israeli citizens are equals and we will do whatever needed in order to bring back the last one, each and every one of the foreign Thai workers to make sure that they return here to Israel and we'll be able, of course, to go back to his family. The Thai foreign workers that were murdered, unfortunately, or those that were abducted will receive all of their rights fully, exactly like every Israeli resident, citizen, who was murdered or abducted in the terrible massacre of October the 7th. In the meeting with the Thai officials, we saw the Thai workers who came back. They feel safe here in Israel. We were happy to hear that most of them want to stay here and continue to work here. The Thai workers, their dear workers, their dedicated workers, and for many of the farmers, they became family. I have no doubt that also in the future, we'll see the Thai workers, these dedicated workers, good workers, loved workers remain here and working together with us side by side. I thank the Thai official for his visit and we're here, the Foreign Affairs Ministry, Interior Ministry, Health Ministry, any relevant ministry will work together. I want to thank the consular department in the Foreign Affairs Ministry and to the hospital. I want to thank you here at the hospital for the important and good treatment for these people that they receive. This gives respect to the State of Israel. The citizens of Thailand and the citizens of Israel are equals. We will treat them this way and we will care for them this way and we will give them all of the rights that they deserve. The friendship between Thailand and Israel is strong and will continue to be so in the future. Minister Busso, Health Minister, thank you very much Foreign Minister Eli Cohen. You hosted today the Foreign Minister of Thailand here at the hospital, the Shamir Hospital. And we met the director of the hospital and all of the teams here as soon as the health ministry got the important mission of getting back our abductees from Hamas and we spread them all along the hospitals and this, the Shamir Hospital, is one of the hospitals. We brought here the foreign workers that their fate was connected together to us in the State of Israel through that terrible massacre in the October 7th massacre. That is why each and every one of them receives everything they need from shoes to anything else and the crew here will continue to monitor them even later on. They're happy to be here. I also visited those injured among the Thai workers. I want to thank the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the IDF, and to the hospital team here that accompanies the special compound for the Thai workers. The Thai Foreign Minister was very happy to see the treatment given to the residents of his country. This is our obligation as a country to treat those people and to pray that until every hostage is returned from Gaza this ward here will remain open. Thank you very much. The director general of the hospital. Foreign workers. The truth is that we hear them a bottomless in the news. Who remembers the 39 Thai workers were killed on October 7th and another 32 were abducted. 17 came back. 15 are still there. They really came here to a war that doesn't belong to them. We are here at the Shamir Medical Center. I feel that this is a great privilege for us because they're so-called foreign workers, but they're not foreigners. They work here for many years. They're part of families. They treat, they work, they help our farmers. We all see what is happening now when they're not working. So we understand that our responsibility is very important, extremely important. And we chose a secluded compound. Really a five-star compound. I'll tell you a little bit of what is happening there because we are their family here. They don't have a family waiting for them. There are not tens of people coming here or tens of journalists outside their ward. So we have to remember that when someone comes back from captivity we can assume that they've been through difficult things. We're not going into details, but you can imagine by yourselves. So we have to accompany them physically, but also psychologically. That is very important. So the physical treatment is made up of doctors, mostly female doctors, social workers. All the teams were here 24-7. Nurses, logistical team, kitchen team, everybody here in the hospital came together to treat those people. Each one who came had a case, a briefcase with everything he needed, with food, and we have to understand that one of the problems of those coming back is refitting syndrome. For example, many people who survived the Holocaust died after eating too much, so you have to be very careful and accurate. So we made sure that each one got the nutrition that they need, the exact nutrition for him in order to avoid such a thing. Thai workers have such a strong vibe, such a smile. They're so thankful to what they receive here, to the hospital, to the teams. They're here since Friday night. Apart from Jimmy, who was from the Philippines and was already released, all of them are Thai workers. We hear their courageous stories and they're very moving, they're touching. We had an incredible cooperation with the Army, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Ministry of Health. For more than a month, we're waiting for the day in which the first hostage will come back. This compound is ready for a month. There are WhatsApp groups that are ready only to start working. On Friday night, everybody was here. We had a Friday night dinner here and I cried because it was so moving and touching. The devotion and dedication and the will to do good. So everybody is here together with cooperation of the Thai, with the cooperation of the Thai Embassy because we don't speak Thai so well. They helped us with the translation. They were here 24-7. And everybody here together, we did here a special thing and we showed the good face of the State of Israel. The connection with Thailand and with the Embassy is a blood connection, unfortunately. But it's way beyond that. Employers were here, families were here. It was so touching to see this. It was touching to see the connection and the hot feelings and the sadness that they're living and hopefully they'll be back. Anyone who wants to go back can go back in a very simple way. So I want to thank our team, the team here at the Shamir Medical Center. It is exciting moving and touching and heartwarming. We're all here with the hope that more hostages come back, all of them come back, the Thais from other countries and of course our families that we wait for them for so long. Thank you very much. Questions for anyone. So if anyone has a question. You've been listening to a live press conference from the health minister, Ariel Basso, the minister of foreign affairs, Ali Cohen. Also from the Shamir Asaf Harrofe Medical Center, Director General, this is a live picture coming into us just so that everyone knows and bring up to speed. This is now 39 Thai citizens. This is now, you should know that Thais make up the single group of foreign dead missing 24 confirmed, killed 21 unaccounted for. Think about this way. The Americans, the Brits, the French, they get the headlines because they're six or seven, but it's more than 20 Thai citizens and here's a couple of them being welcome back and they were held hostage for the 51 days, 52 days depending on how long they've been in captivity and they don't get the headlines. They don't get the media that show up. There's a mention that was brought by the director of the hospital that the news crews from all around the world, BBC doesn't show up at their doorstep, asking for interviews, asking to see what happened to them. So we should make mention that in Israeli society there are many foreign workers from Thailand, from the Philippines who come to work in the fields here in the southern part of Israel and they were there on October the 7th when everything happened. Let me bring back in studio which from the IDF, I want to bring back the story that we led with at the very beginning of the hour about the children. That's what everyone in America, around the world, in Israel, so worried about the children and the idea that they're being passed about that no one knows where they are. Anybody who has a child just cringes at that thought. It's the worst thing that can happen to a child to be kept at the last stage when you are a baby, eight months, nine months, 10 months old. And according to what we understand, Hamas is actually playing with this subject. You know, using the kids' babies as human shield, human shield as a baby, you know. So according to some sources, information, two children have been passed to another organization. But it's not very clear if it is a truth or if it is actually a kind of a ruse used by Hamas to disrupt the general picture. So we have to be very, very cautious. I would say again, and repeat, the Israeli army is looking at Hamas as a sole and unique responsible for the safeguard and for the welfare of the children. So let me make sure I understand this correctly. Olivier, sir, which you're basically saying is that there's a thought that Hamas is using this as a psychological operation against Israel to say, oh, we don't know where the kids are and the idea is it's psychological? Yes, because it's not the first time in the very beginning of this release process that they said something and they did something else. You know, some people have been released and people have thought that they were dead. Some people were not involved in the list of released people. So altogether, I mean, there is, I would say, it is an atrocity just to play with human lives. Of course, when you talk about baby lives, it's terrible. Olivier Reffords, you have other commitments. I want to thank you very much for taking the time to come in. I'm going to move on in our live team coverage right now of the War Day 52. I'm being joined right now by Shai Venkert. He's the father of Omer Venkert, who was kidnapped and sent to Gaza. Omer was at the Nova Music Festival. Thank you so much very much for joining us, Shai. When we spoke a few days ago, you told us a lot about his last words to your wife was, I'm scared. And then you got a video from Telegram hours later that showed him the back of a pickup truck. When you were last on with me, you told me that you feel him. Do you still feel him? Yeah, of course I feel him. This is something I can't explain, but I feel him. And today I'm more concerned because my son has colitis disease. It's a chronic disease that go severe when he is in a hostage and when he is in a stress situation like I believe he do. It's going worse and we don't have time for the sick people. We saw a few days ago that sick people, they don't have much time. Elma and Abraham were sent to the hospital by an helicopter because of a severe situation because she is sick. She didn't get any medicine. She didn't get any medical aid and I'm worried about my son. He is sick and we need to take them out. They don't have any time anymore. They are all humanitarian things that we are doing to bring inside the Gaza. We have to take the sick people out, all of them. I don't believe the Red Cross is going to do his obligation as a humanitarian organization because yesterday he should visit or to do a treatment for the sick people. I don't see it going on. If I may, Shai. I was going to tell you, if I may, Shai, that yesterday afternoon was the deadline that the Red Cross was supposed to be notifying you as a family member whether or not your son A is alive and B, what medication, what things he needs. Have you gotten any indication whatsoever? No, I didn't get any indication. This is why I said that the Red Cross is not doing his commitment as a part of the deal. I didn't get any sign, any information if he gets his medicine, if he gets medical aid. It's all about to think about it. If they are not doing the job, so maybe other can do it. But have any Israeli health officials come to you and ask exactly what he needs? I mean, I know anyone with, he has colitis, anyone with colitis, there's certain medication that is needed to help the inflammation, anti-inflammatories, NSAIDs, there's all the different anti-acids that anyone, you, anybody else in Israel could just go to a drug store to get, but they can't. Have you been able to let them know exactly what he needs? Yeah, of course. We let all the authorities what he needs. We have also a letter of his doctor what is the need and what the concern. He needs a FASAL. I don't know if they have it in Gaza. He needs a special medicine. And the authorities are also driven into the Red Cross. And also we did it, but nothing has happened from the Red Cross. So it's very difficult now. Very difficult situation. Shai, there's so much talk about the fact that most of those who have been released right now are women and children and that they're holding back the men. In fact, what they're doing in a lot of the families, if there's a full family that's been held hostage, what they'll do is they'll release the women, the children, but leave the father behind. I would suspect what has happened in Omar's situation is that they feel that he is more worth if that means anything. And I wonder how you feel about, sadly it seems as though what they're doing is basically putting a price on your son. I don't want to think about the price of my son. My son is a beloved son. And there is no price to take him out. All the opportunities should be open on the table and to discuss about it. My son is sick. Please take him out. Take him out. I know that Hamas is doing very unconditional terms of this deal. But we have to take the sick people out. There are a lot of sick people. The Hamas can't support them, can't give them any treatment. Take all sick people out. Take all hostages out. Omar, Shai, what do you think about how so many people have supported Omar by showing up at the hostage square in Tel Aviv? I found that very moving. I also find it very moving when hundreds of thousands take to the streets in support of Israel and in support of the hostages. What strength do you get from that? We are a strong family and we are grounded by good friends and family that are supporting us. And also at the square there was 100,000 people that came to support us for this difficult situation. We are a strong country and we are believing in our people. And this is very supportive. I think it's doing a very good job for us. It's give us more strength to do the struggle to take him out. Take Omar back home. Shai Vankar, I wanted to thank you very much for all your time and thank you. We hope to see you soon on happier, much happier occasions that you've gotten a phone call. Thank you again for joining us. Thank you very much. Thank you. Let's talk about the 11 hostages released last night. Three-year-old twins Emma and Yuli Kunio, their mother Sharon Aloni Kunio, 11-year-old Yuval Angle, 18-year-old Mika Angle, their mother Karina Angle-Bart. Also 16-year-old Ordea Akov, siblings 12-year-old Eris Calderon, 16-year-old Sahar, 12-year-old Etanya Halomi. Before we go, we just wanted you to take a look at an amazing heartwarming picture. Get your tissues out. Get your clinics out. You're going to want to take a look at this. We want this to happen more and more every day. I'm Albert Lewitson. I'll be back after the break. Take a look. MadeForMe.co.il MadeForMe, official dresser of i24 News. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. It is in a state of war. Families completely done down in their beds. We have no idea where she is. Our soldiers are fighting on the front lines, but the general perception is something that certainly needs to be fought as well. Excusive interviews from war zones, the reaction of Spanish-speaking countries. News 24, the only Spanish media that keeps you informed and connected with the Latino community in Israel. News 24, only on i24 News. in order to exchange more hostages for prisoners. So here are the five things you need to know right now. Number one, here's how these next two days are going to work. 20 more hostages, women and children, 10 per day, in exchange for 60 Palestinian prisoners, 30 per day. Number two, if you were watching I-24 News late into the night, 11 hostages were released last night. Nine children, one of those children, Yuval Engel, is there right now on the screen in a wheelchair. All of them are from the Kibbutz Niroz. 180 of the roughly 400 residents of the Niroz were killed or abducted by Hamas. Number three, the fathers of all these children have not been released. In fact, of more than 160 that are still being held hostage by Hamas, more than 100 of them are men. There are still 60 women and children being held hostage. Number four, there are reports this morning that some of the hostages' little children are being passed around by clans within Gaza, being used as bargaining chips, including the youngest of the hostages, 10-month-old Kfir Bebas. Number five, Israel, channel 12, is reporting this morning that one of the hostages, one of the released hostages in their debriefing with the IDF, says that in the early days of the war, they were taken to Chanyunis, where they were met in the tunnels by Hamas's leader Yahya Sinwar. The hostage says that Sinwar spoke to them in perfect Hebrew, asking them about their identities. We have live team coverage all throughout the day of this story right now. Let me bring in, in studio here, Mayan Kaplun Qadar. She is the daughter of Dror Kaplun, who's presumed being held hostage in Gaza. Thanks so much for joining us. I wish we were meeting each other on happier occasions, that we were seeing each other at a bar mitzvah or a wedding. But you're here to talk about your father. Yes, I'm here to talk about my father. My father is a very optimistic person, and he was always thinking about the best and how life would be better. He was pro-peace. He always believed in coexisting next to the Palestinians. He lived there specifically in Beirut for that? For 20 years, but all his life, he lived near Gaza Strip in Kibbutz or Chama. His parents are Holocaust survivors. And as such, they grew him and tried to build a safe place, house for him, his kids, the grandchildren. And it's horrifying what happened. It's something that is hard to even describe the unknowing is breaking. It's like, if we would know he's dead, like it's punching the heart. But- At least you know. But we know, but here it feels like they put their arm inside our heart, squeezed, and they're not letting it go. We don't know what his condition, we know that he was kidnapped. How do you know that part? How do you know the part that he was kidnapped and what part do you know? For those of us who don't, we're seeing somebody over here on the screen, but those of us who don't know. So we start, in the Saturday morning, we started to receive WhatsApp in our WhatsApp group, family group, he started to explain that Teror Hamas entered the Kibbutz. We didn't understand that there are so many. And we didn't figure out. Around 1030, the connection broke. And a day later, we got a video that is showing, you can see it on the screen, that him, his wife, and few other neighbors are kidnapped. They are letting handcuffed in Kibbutz Berry. And two days later, we received another video that is showing all of those people laying on the ground. Later on, everybody we found out died, were murdered. We know he was shot and he, oh, sorry. We know that he was wounded and there was blood, but there was not enough blood to determine he's dead. They didn't find any indication of him being dead in Israel. This is because you went back to Berry afterwards, right? Correct, correct. My sister and her husband went back to look in the scenery and took blood and later on after we asked for three weeks or so for Metsach to go and figure out what happened. They did it after four weeks. And they found some blood and some hair that they have indication that he was hit, but we don't know the severity of the wound if it's from bullet or it's from something else. How old was your father? 68. Out of, not combat, ready in the sense that he's not a military, the fact that he's being held hostage is not as though he has a military experience that it would be beneficial for the IDF to be anti-Hamas in that respect. There's no value in that respect, right? He's a gentle man. Exactly, nothing. He doesn't have any, to the contrary. He was always voting for parties that are for pro, not pro-Palestinian, but pro-peace and he was going to say the same thing over and over again. Afganot, demonstrations, sorry. It's okay, it's okay. In favor of peace. Yeah, so, and I grew up to this kind of values and right now it's very difficult to look at it as such because we understand we don't have partners for peace, they don't even let the Red Cross to go and check what is the condition of him. I know that he was hit, but I don't know the severity if he's alive or is he dead. In the video you see that he's not wearing his eyeglasses, but here you see he needs his eyeglasses. We were supposed to know by yesterday from the Red Cross, they were supposed to, according to many reports, a part of the deal for the four day pause was that by the end of the fourth day the Red Cross was supposed to be notified on the status of anyone that they're holding. You have not gotten any word, we've not gotten any word. What do you call on the Red Cross to do? I call on the Red Cross to demand to go and visit them before they give humanitarian support to UNRWA and all the other peoples in Gaza because they are civilians and they deserve, the Gazian people, they deserve humanitarian support and aid, but also the kidnapped. Also the kidnapped are in the same situation, if not worse. They are both are kidnapped by Hamas, both Palestinians that are not related to the Hamas and the kidnapped people. If it's men, kids, women, elderly, we saw the other day, Elma, that we got back and she's now between life and death. You just want something, just something, just to show that he's okay. Even if he's alive, first that he's alive and then he's okay. Yes, and I think this is like, Red Cross exists for those, for these complex cases and if they are not doing their job, they don't have a place to exist in this world because if they only exist when proper countries, I would say, or that would accept the laws of the world, those countries will allow Red Cross or other aids to take care of those people. But in places that there isn't a proper law, we need them to go. And if they don't allow it, they don't have, if they don't have a power to go and check the kidnapped people, they don't have any right to exist. Mya, I'm gonna ask you a question. What is the one thing about your father that surprised, people would be surprised to learn about him? In the past 10 years, he did a tremendous change in his life. To the people that know him, it's not surprising, but he changed the entire way of living and he started a different diet. He became almost vegan and he was diabetic. He had very bad cholesterol and by this nutrition, he stopped taking any medicine. Like you can see in the video, he was more than an athlete than he was when he was 20. Look at that, that's amazing. Yes. That's amazing. Mya and Kaplan Keita, we hope that you get that phone call that says he's okay, that everything is fine, that he's healthy or at least he's okay. We hope that phone call comes. Thank you. Thank you for joining us. And that t-shirt says it all. That t-shirt you're wearing says it all. Thank you. All right, God bless you. Thank you. It's heartbreaking. It is heartbreaking. It is heartbreaking. What I wanna do now, I wanna go to Robert Swift, who's at the missing and hostage plaza that's in Tel Aviv. Mya's story is a story that is repeated over and over and over again. And people come there to hear about her father's drawer. Robert, tell us more about what's happening where you are. Yeah, that's right. This story is similar to others that we've heard here. There are numerous people who are coming to this square both to discuss their story, to tell their story, but also there are many members of the public who are coming to hear them. I'm just gonna step aside so you can see the size of the crowds that have come here that are gathering in this square. Now, where we are, it's actually the Tel Aviv Museum of Art Plaza, just outside of the museum, but it has become known as the Hostage Square, essentially because the Israeli public needed a focal point to gather together for the sense of loss that they were collectively feeling. Now, as you can see, there's art, there are pianos, and there are other monuments that have been placed here as a way for the Israeli public to gather around and to express those feelings. Just a moment ago, we saw a prayer session taking place here, and it's one of several that we've seen with multiple groups of Israeli members of the public coming together because they feel that they need to express that sense of loss, that sense of solidarity, but also the hope that more hostages could be released. And a little earlier, we spoke to one member of a family group who had had relatives returned, but was still waiting for others. Let's hear what she had to say. My family hugged and gave all the hostages that returned from our families. They gave them everything they needed, and they just gave them support and love, and they are the strongest people that I've ever known, and I'm still waiting for my grandpa, and I'm sure he will come. There isn't other option, okay? He has to come back. You know, Robert, one of the things I see at the square also are donations for clothing, not just for the family members of the hostages, but for the people in the area in the south. It's become a place, I guess, for people to, for Israelis, and maybe even visitors to come and to donate things that might be needed for those who are suffering. Yeah, we've spoken to groups. I guess you could call them tourists. People here from abroad who have come here because they want to be connected with the events which are impacting wider Israeli society. There was just a group from Canada that we saw receiving a briefing a few short minutes ago, and many of the people here are, it's not just that they're donating clothing, it's more rather that they are receiving clothing. There's hoodies with slogans. There's the yellow ribbon, which has become synonymous with the hostages that people are wearing, and that is all part of essentially people trying to come together and show that they are very much part of the public who see the release of the hostages as the most important event in this ongoing war. Ray Roberts, we're joining us live now from the Hostage Square in downtown Tel Aviv. Thanks so much for joining us. We're going to continue our live team coverage right now in studio with Ben Droy-Yemeni, Senior Journalist of Yeriyodachronod Daily. Thanks so much for joining us again. You were here in studio, you heard that personal story of a family. I mean, here's a 68-year-old gentleman, and the reason I bring up the story about the fact that he's 68, I'll tell you why, is because the Qataris basically just moments ago basically said, we will let the focus now is on women and children, and then we'll deal with the soldiers afterwards. So they presumed, or I guess Hamas presumes, all men are soldiers. Yeah, it's actually from tomorrow night to more midnight when the ceasefire is going to be actually ended. It's going to be much more difficult. Now, I guess that the head of the Mossad is preparing for the day after what will happen actually tomorrow at midnight. Will Israel resume the fire? What is going to happen? Now, how do you do that? Who's going to fire the first shot? Who's going to? Exactly, it's a tough question. I mean, why? Why? Because we always have to bear in mind that it's not only the ground operation. It's not only. We are speaking about the international public opinion. We are speaking about a lot of aspects, and we have to remember that once and again actually, the military operation was stopped by the international pressure. We have to bear it in mind. So we have to be prepared for it. In what way? There are many ways. I think, I think Israel should initiate because right now, unfortunately, Israel is totally right. Yes, the Hamas should be eradicated. No doubt about that. I think it is even agreed by the United States, by the White House, by President Biden. It is agreed upon. The only question is how are we doing it? And one way to do it is just to prove to the world something which is not clear, unfortunately, but to prove to the world what is the nature of Hamas because so many people do not even understand it. When they ask for ceasefire, they do not understand. They do not understand that actually we are speaking with an organization that declared publicly we are going to continue and to do the same again if it will only be possible. So that's why I'm saying Israel should initiate not to be dragged to one more ceasefire. And do you want to go back? I'll tell you, no, I'll tell you what. Israel should initiate a ceasefire. They will say, no, ceasefire for example, disarming the whole Gaza Strip. No more Hamas. We don't want to kill anybody. We don't want the continuation of the military ground. We don't want one child to be killed. That's what Israel should declare. You know what? I think we know the answer of the Hamas. And the answer of the Hamas will be, no, we do not want this fire. Just the way that they rejected every international offer to stop the siege, because the EU, the Quartet, the UN, they told them no more siege, no more blockade, but no more terror. And they had the same answer. No, we do not accept it. We reject any, because we prefer terror. We prefer death on prosperity. But it should be clear. Maybe it's clear to you and to me. It's not clear to so many people out there. They don't know it. And when you don't know it in the blame game, you put the blame on Israel. People should know it. And in order to know it, one of the ways, maybe someone has a better way, Israel should initiate a ceasefire. I don't want the headline on Thursday to be Hamas wanted a ceasefire. Israel rejected any offer for a ceasefire. It should be the opposite. It should be the opposite. And Israel is doing a bad mistake by being drugged and not by initiating. OK, let's talk about public opinion, right? So what has happened is that in the past few days, as everyone in the world knows, for every Israeli hostage that is released, three Palestinian prisoners are released in exchange for that one hostage. This math will continue on. But what happens in the public opinion, I'm going to put up what the BBC puts up, OK? The BBC, not exactly the bastion of journalism when it comes to this. You see it right here on the screen. Among the adult women released was Isra Zhaibis, who was sentenced to 11 years in prison in 2015 when her car burst into flames from a checkpoint in the West Bank. There's an error of omission here. And the error of omission is that the car didn't burst into flames just randomly. She was on her way to commit suicide bombing, but it blew up ahead of that. How does Israel then, if that's the case, when they say, OK, fine, you know what? The ceasefire is finished. We're going to jump in. How do you battle that? Yeah, it's a good question. It's a good question because, I mean, some, here and there, Israel has great, great spoke persons. I mean, if you watch a Taylon Levy who was working here, if you watch Naftali Bennett, he's doing a great job. Some Arabs, some Israeli Arabs are doing a great job. And some evangelical Christians are also doing a great job, too. Exactly, exactly. But what you see in the BBC is a distortion, is a manipulation, and maliciously, intentionally, they are doing it. I mean, what are you doing? I mean, you are siding with what? With the jihad. The jihad is the enemy of the Muslims before the jihad is the enemy of Jews or Christians. Don't you understand it? Don't you know the numbers? Don't you know the facts? Don't you know that the Hamas was offered once and again a ceasefire? Don't you know that this woman that you show, she is a terrorist? Don't you know it? It's not worth mentioning it, at least. They are manipulating the public opinion. But just to say one thing, many people don't believe anymore. Don't believe anymore to the BBC. I mean, there's so much bias, so much bias, that it's really frightening for the free world, not for Israel, for you. For you people in the free world, I'm telling it. I mean, we have a problem. You are manipulated in the age of democracy and freedom of speech. Look what one of the most respectable channels, not respectable anymore, but it was, is actually manipulating everything, which is frightening for itself. It's a hatred. It's hatred that comes out that way, more than anything. Because I mean, I think Bibi Netanyahu come to Times Square and take up every single screen of Times Square. And he would still have people who would say, it's the ceasefire, it's all Israel's fault. There are kids being killed left and right. And all, you could just say one thing. It's just get out of the way. Just get out of the way. But let's remember that there are some channels that are at least trying to do better. CNN is trying, is trying in the last two, three weeks to be much more balanced, which is a big surprise by the way that CNN is trying to be balanced. But it happens, but it happens. And I cannot say it about the New York Times. I cannot say it about the Garden. I'm reading every day, most of the time. Well, also, like Associated Press puts out a headline that the Associated Press one was just insane. And here's the part that I don't understand. A lot of the journalists are here. It's not like they're in remote newsrooms in London or New York. They're actually here. We're part of a group of journalists, the Jerusalem Press Club there. It's not as though you're part of this media group too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So explain to me. I give them a lecture, yeah. Right, but explain to me how the journalists around the world, who are based here, see things in these glasses that are, is the prescription wrong? Did I miss something? I will not give names. I know some of them personally. And sometimes it's unbelievable because they are totally, but totally biased. When they come to Israel, first thing that they meet is the people of Bethlehem. And sorry to say, but their counterpart partners are mainly journalists from one newspaper which is called the Arets, which is manipulating them just the same, which is part of the problem and not part of the solution. Not everyone in Arets, I don't want to exaggerate, but too many people, too many people. So they actually ignore something like 95% of the Israelis, including Arabs. And they prefer always to quote and to refer to who, to those who are anti-Israelis, to those who are supporting in one way or another supporting Hamas. Right, okay, so then that shows up as a quote that then goes on social media that ends up in these, those images that you see now, the protests out front of the White House, out front of downtown Times Square, Los Angeles, London, all of that. And then it becomes violent because then what it does is it incites, this is peace people, peace loving people, but then they go, they want to start killing people in the street, figure that one out. When Muslims and Iraq were totally bombarded and totally destroyed. I mean, 70% of the buildings, nobody demonstrated. You know why? You know why nobody demonstrated? Because Israel wasn't involved? No, not only because of that, because it was clear to most people, not to everybody, but to most people, to 95% of the people in the West that it should be done, there is no other way. It should be done because if we want to uproot the jihad, yes, there is no other way. We have to do it. Now it's not clear because the propaganda of the Hamas, because you know what, so many scholars, so many scholars in the United States, and I'm following them and I wrote a book about them. I mean, they are manipulating their students. I'll give you a prime example. I will never forget this. At NYU, I had the most anti-Semitic, anti-Israeli, Middle Eastern politics professor. I should name him, but I don't want to because that wouldn't be a good idea. They could figure it out. Purposely, which students are both Israeli students, and I'm not an Israeli citizen, but I'm in the class. I'm a Jewish student, I'm in the class, but there's Palestinian students in the class and incited a riot in the classroom every single week. I don't think anyone ever learned anything, and the whole idea was he blamed Israel the entire time. And when you're impressionable, an 18, 19 year old, and you don't know any better, don't act, you don't think critically, you can't figure it out, that grows up into something worse. And that's why NYU, Columbia, Stanford, Harvard. Generally speaking, I do not mention my book, Industry of Lives, but here I will mention it. I wrote the book. I mean, it was published in English in 2017. I know, I'm following them. I stayed one year in Boston, and every week I went to the seminar of the Middle East in Harvard University. I saw it in front of my eyes. I'm supervising those kind of professors. Professors who are telling their students, they are publishing academic articles, academic articles. The Hamas is a huge benefit for Israel. Am I quoting? Benefit, what's the benefit of mass killing people? What are you, I mean, what are, they ignored systematically. They ignored the fact that the Hamas declared once and again in Al-Aqsa TV channel. The channel of the Hamas, they, again and again, we are going to kill all Jews and all the Christians. They never, never told it to their own students, never, always, but always Israel and Israel and Israel is a colonial state. What colonial state? What are you talking about? I'm going to hold it right there, Ben-Thor. It's becoming worse because I didn't tell you something, but maybe on the other side of the break. We'll be right back after this I-24 News live. Team coverage continues. The war, day 52, I'm Albert Lewerton. We'll be right back after the break. There have been countless memorable moments broadcasting with I-24 News in the past six years. But for me, the one that stands out the most was the first time that I had ever personally heard a rocket siren sounding in Tel Aviv. And at that moment, we were live on air in studio. I will never forget the moment our senior producer said to me in my ear, the sirens are sounding in Tel Aviv. The control room is going to the shelter. With me in studio at the time were Michael Herzog, a former Brigadier General. Today, the Israeli ambassador to the United States and Arsene Ostrowski, an international human rights lawyer. And their responses were completely different. Michael Herzog was calm and composed. And on the other hand, Arsene Ostrowski was trying to phone his family and check in to make sure that his loved ones were okay. The camera that normally faces us was hoisted from above. There was an overhead shot of the three of us in the studio. You could see colleagues going to the shelter if you looked at the glass behind the studio. And obviously we lost contact with our team on the ground, our reporters in Ashkelon and all the witnesses that we were speaking to during that time. When rockets are coming towards a residential area, they don't distinguish between race, religion, political views, cultural views. They just intend to harm civilians. And that moment, being in studio, hearing those interceptions overhead was the most real coverage I've ever been involved in. Welcome back to I-24 News. I'm Albert Lewerton in the I-24 News headquarters in Tel Aviv with continuing live team coverage of day 53 of the war against Hamas. I'm joined now by Moti Crystal. He's a professional negotiator. He's also the CEO and founder of Nest Negotiation Strategies and he's joining us live from Tel Aviv. Moti, I just have to ask you a question. There's a lot of discussion about the fact that the men are being held behind while the women and children are being let go. Is there a hierarchy? There is a hierarchy in terms of how valuable the assets are. And interestingly enough, the hierarchy in the eyes of Hamas are not necessarily the hierarchy in the eyes of the Israeli public. Through Hamas' eyes, he divided at the early stages, he divided the hostages into two groups. Those who are considered the serious burden when you look at public opinion and Islamic values, these are the kids, the elderly, and those who are really important for Hamas. And for example, the soldiers and in particular the women's soldier. Why? Because in a trade of mindset, they know that Israel will, probably will, pay much more for a female soldier than for a male soldier. So there is hierarchy in terms of the value of the assets in the eye of Hamas. I must state or say very, very strongly that Israel managed in their negotiations so far to establish a very good ratio for one for three. Definitely when you compare to past deals, the Shalit or even previous deals where the ratio for every Israeli hostage was much more than three Palestinian prisoners. So when you look at it from a deal and from a negotiation perspective, yes, definitely there's a hierarchy and different values for different hostages. You know, Moji, let's talk about that three for one ratio because draped in a Hamas flag, 33 Palestinian security prisoners, they were greeted as heroes in the streets of the West Bank. They were celebrated because of the release in exchange for that. After four days of hostage and prisoner release, Israel's running out of women and minor terrorist to free from its jails. It's raising questions actually, Moji, you know this about regarding the ability for us to continue these, releasing these hostages. I wanna bring you a story now about Middle East correspondent Ariel Osiron. Take a look. In the dead of night and for the fourth night in a row, Israel released dozens of Palestinian security prisoners. We're free, it's true. We're happy now, but we want our freedom with the blood of martyrs. The blood of those martyrs is a debt owed by every prisoner and every free Palestinian and we will certainly not forget it. Shaban, a mother of four from the Jenin area, was serving a life sentence over plotting to pose as a pregnant Jewish woman and deadnate a suicide vest. She was one of 150 women and minors released from Israeli jails since Friday as part of a ceasefire agreement with Hamas in exchange for 50 Israeli hostages held by Hamas and other terror groups in Gaza since October 7th. Like Maisouna Jabali sentenced to 15 years in prison after stabbing a soldier and seriously wounding her in 2015. God willing, all the prisoners will be released, especially those condemned to life sentences and all the others still inside. Others simply chanted in support of Hamas and the head of its military wing. Hamas, I don't know what's going on. Hamas, I don't know what's going on. And we're going to kill Hamas. And we're going to kill Hamas. Since October 7th, Israel has arrested over 3,000 Palestinian terror suspects in the West Bank. While the numbers change rapidly, it's believed that of the 7,000 security prisoners in Israeli jails, roughly 250 of them are minors and 80 are women. After Wednesday and the two-day extension to the ceasefire, Israel will have released 210 prisoners. That doesn't leave many women and minors left to release in exchange for over 140 Israeli hostages. When Hamas stops releasing hostages under the existing framework, Israel will return to realizing our three goals with full force, eliminating Hamas, ensuring that Gaza never again pose a threat to the people of Israel and of course, releasing all of our hostages. And so with the next group of 60 prisoners, including known teen Ahad Tameemi, set to be released over the next two days, Israel needs to prepare for the moment when it must decide whether to release more dangerous terrorists. So let me go back to Mochi. Mochi, you took a look at that video right now. So so many of them are saying three to one ratio. That's ridiculous. It actually should be the other way around. It ought to be one for three or even better. Maybe there shouldn't be any at all. Well, it depends. Depends who exactly you release from the Israeli prison. As Hamas value the hostages differently, also Israel judges the prisoners who might be free in future deals depends on the actions they did, but not only. The most significant measurement through which Israel evaluate the Israeli prisoners is to what extent they pose a threat to Israel's security, to what extent they are charismatic, to what extent they carry military background and organizational capacities. What is the leadership opponents? Because Ichisinoir is not sending when you free Ichisinoir or Salaharuri are not terrorists who even stab or even participated in suicide or sending someone to suicide bomber. So what my main message is that the more the deal progresses and the more Israel will free Palestinian prisoners, what we saw, the pattern, the ratio, the relationship will probably change as long as we progress with the release of... But Moti, Moti, take a look at some of the comparisons. I'm gonna probe some still stores, some full screens. I mean, look at the comparisons between the two. One here on the right-hand side, Isar Gabash, being a suicide bomber, that's her crime. So now you have, the only crime as a civilian is about 13-year-old, so let's go with that. An 85-year-old woman, right? So the one of them who's being released, she is Fatima Shaheen, 33 years old. She was stabbing a police officer. If we have another one after that, they just go on and on and on and there's some around the world who are saying, this should not happen. There's no way to determine. There's no way for anyone at the IDF, when I had the IDF spokesperson here, I said, are they given a warning that if they were ever to be found again, they would go to prison? He says, no. So the question I have is, there's so many who say what should happen to these Palestinian prisoners who get released is that they should be told. You make a wrong turn on a street corner and you're going back to prison forever. Well, let's differentiate between statement and anger and campaign and actual realities. Deeds speak stronger or louder than words. Israel, when Israel realizes that some of the Shalit deal prisoners who were released to Shalit deal really impose a significant threat to Israel, Israel arrested or brought them back to prison without even a sentence under administrative jail or administrative prison. Captivity, why? Because we judge or we look at security as of our most significant consideration. It doesn't matter whether they sign or they're not signing. It doesn't matter the celebration we see in the Palestinian streets. It doesn't matter what they are chanting that they're all soldiers of Muhammad death. What is matters here is Israel stands by its commitment to free all the hostages. It's a moral call. Any attempt to look at it and to measure numbers, et cetera. For me, in my perspective, it's less important than pursuing the moral call or the obligation of Israel to bring back all the hostages. Mocha, I'm gonna have you hold on once. Considering this, yeah. So I'm gonna have you hold on one second, Benjaro. You're looking at what's happening here. You see that video on the right hand side. You see that there's, that's what plays on network newscasts all around the world as like their return back in celebration. Nothing else said after that. Like I quietly paused because you think you would say that you would hear, oh well, because they were charged with stabbing somebody or killing somebody or whatever, but you don't hear that part. One thing that you mentioned to me before the break, that this, that kind of video is really what the world focuses on. Yeah, yeah. And Israel is paying a price. Israel is a human state and that's why Israel is willing to pay this kind of price, which mean even three, four, one. And as it was mentioned before, it was more than a thousand, a thousand. I mean, in Gila Chalit deal. So three to one, yeah, it is acceptable by the public opinion in Israel. When the foreign channels, when they do not explain the basic facts, we are speaking about terrorists. I mean, Hamas is holding innocent people, innocent young people, innocent children. And Israel actually is holding terrorists. So this kind of exchange is not a fair one, but it can be, it can be carried out only because Israel is a human state, because we do care about human lives. Something that you cannot say about the Hamas. You know, there's a lot in American public, American Jewish public opinion, who believes that the fact that they're being released is so, that the Palestinian prisoners who are being released is hard. That in fact, I mean, I go through all the message boards and I get them and they're like, I don't understand why they're releasing them. They should put them on a plane and push them out of a plane in front of Gaza. They want to fight for Gaza so much. Let them go fight in Gaza. How do you deal with that anger? Are the people here in Israel of that same anger? Yeah, you know, just kind of negotiation and you need a kind of worth of iron nerves. That's what you need. And yes, sometimes Israel is giving up too much. Sometimes Israel is a kind of trying to appease the world international public opinion. Israel is trying to appease even the Hamas in order to do only one thing, which Israel, which is the highest priority for Israel. Human lives, human lives. So Israel is willing to humiliate itself. It's a kind of humiliation, actually. Let's not forget it. I mean, no country is doing something like that. Israel is doing it. And it's doing it because of human lives, because of the high priority of human lives. And yes, we do it. And yes, we do it. And the Israeli public, yeah, some people are against it, but most of the Israelis support it. Even if the price is high. Moti, I'm gonna go back to you for one second because my final question to you is that once the women and children are released, the rest of the hostages are released, women and children, let's hope that they all are. Does the mindset change in terms of negotiation for the men? Well, in Israel's perspective, it doesn't change. In Hamas' perspective, it changes. Because as I said, women and children in Hamas' eyes were considered as a liability. See how much effort they invested in orchestrating and staging this fake release, waving them horrible. Why? Because they do care how they look in the international media. I echo my friend, Bendo, who said they are murderers. These are terrorists. And the fight is for the world opinion. When it comes to men, when it comes to men, all the dialogue, all the deal, all the numbers will probably change. Why? Because Hamas considered them to be assets rather than liability. And when you have assets, you want to maximize their return on investment. You want to maximize the price. And here, again, as Bendo said, it's about moral and human life. By the way, I don't think that humiliation, I don't, when saying like, there's a humiliating picture for Israel. I want to remind everybody the words that the mother of Udi Gold Vassel, a Israeli soldier was kidnapped by Hezbollah in 2006 and his body was returned in exchange for prisoners. And she, on the grave of her son, she said, you should raise up your souls yourself because we made the moral thing. Israel as a Jewish state cares about human life and is willing to pay price for that. And it has nothing to do with humiliation. I don't care the chanting people on the street because I know that they value death while we value life. And that's a huge difference. Moji Crystal, the CEO and founder of Nest Negotiations Strategies, thanks again for joining us for this very important insight. Thanks very much. Bendo, I want to talk to you about the- Just want to, he's right, he's right. Yeah, when I'm saying humiliation, I'm speaking from the eyes of the Palestinians, for them, but generally speaking, I'm proud. I'm proud that this is the way Israel is behaving. Yes, we appreciate, we value life and I'm proud about it. Let's talk about the ICC for a moment, the ICC prosecutor. It's an unbelievable story. Just so that everyone knows that the ICC is the international criminal court, it's based in the Hague, when people say, oh, the Hague, it prosecutes war crimes. Just so that everyone knows also, Israel was not a signatory to the ICC because Israel didn't want it to be used against it for war crimes. Palestine, I don't know exactly who within Palestine signed it, but Palestine is considered a signatory to the ICC. So considerably, they could be held accountable for war crimes, but you were telling- They don't care, but the unbelievable story is that Karim Khan, who is the chief prosecutor of the ICC, decided, I read it, I read it. In the social media, that he appointed actually Andreas Laursen, a Danish lawyer, to investigate the crimes of Israel in Gaza Strip. I did not believe it. No, it's too much. It's too much. Because? In a minute, I will explain why it's too much. Because this guy, this Danish journalist, he is married to a woman from Al Haq. Al Haq is a Palestinian NGO that was declared a terror organization by Benny Gantz when he was the defense minister. Wait, it's not the end of the story. I did not believe. Now he himself worked in Al Haq, Laursen. Now I did not believe it. No, it's too much. It's too much. So I contacted the office of Karim Khan, of the chief prosecutor, and I asked, is it correct that Laursen was appointed to be the guy who will investigate the case? Investigate war crimes, right? Yeah. You're supposed to be impartial. I told you that it's unbelievable, this story. And the answer that I replied that I received was just this morning, by the way, that we do not give details, which means, yes, he was appointed. The meaning is, if you do not want to refute it, the meaning is, yes, he was appointed. Now, Al Haq is totally connected to the PFLP, Palestinian people front for Palestinian, for liberation of Palestine. A terror organization, a declared terror organization, totally connected, totally connected. Now, you are appointing, I mean, what are you doing? You're appointing someone who served a terror crime. He was not a terrorist. He was just working for Al Haq, but Al Haq is totally connected to a terror organization. I mean, that's the person that you appoint to investigate the crimes of Israel. I mean, don't you have limits? That's why they did not want to answer me. They did not want to confirm. They did not want to deny. Right. But probably, this is the story. The story is that he was appointed. Now, generally speaking, when it happens in the UN, the UN right council of the UN, we understand it. No, we don't like it. We understand it because they have the majority of this kind of darker genes. So from Sudan to Iran, you cannot expect something. But when we are speaking about the ICC, just to finish the story. Please. In the United States, they have, it's called the Haq Invasion Law. Okay, go ahead, please. I'm a lawyer for quite, and according to this law, if you will deal with us saying, I mean, you, the ICC, if you will deal with us, Americans, we are allowed according to the law, according to bipartisan vote in the Congress, we are allowed to invade Haq and to release someone that was arrested by the ICC. Americans, speaking, soldier. This, it's called, I mean, now go to the Google each one. Go to the Google and put Haq Invasion Law. So Israel should, Israel should maybe legislate something of that kind. I mean, don't you dare to deal with us. Ben Drury, many thank you so much for your insight again. Always thank you again. Let me move on to this four decades ago during the Lebanon War, a special nonprofit organization. Talk about nonprofits. This was called SARL. Ever since, more than 150,000 volunteers from over 30 countries have suited up, tried to help the IDF. And after October the 7th, they found a huge amount, a huge surge of people who wanted to volunteer. I-24 News' Emily Francis has more. This is not the Super Marshal. I'm putting a date on Gauze, 18, okay? But it's a super important volunteer job that could mean the difference between life and death. So we do what they say and it gets done and we save a life. Everything saves a life. That's why we're here. During times of peace and even more so during war, the Tel Asemer IDF base is the hub where all the medical supplies and other non-combat support tasks fuel the entire IDF. I love seeing all these people volunteering for SARL. They are coming from out of the country and don't really holy work here, which is why this place exists. Well, the fatigues came with the ticket. What brings me here is that after October 7th, we all, I think everyone here felt the need to be here, just where we had to be. For myself, I was doing a whole bunch of work fighting against the insane explosion of anti-Sanmatism that's happening everywhere, even in our little city of Winnipeg. But it didn't feel like it was enough. I wanted to do something physical, really to help on Israel. After October 7th, lawyer Lawrence Pinsky of Winnipeg and dozens of other volunteers heated the call and hopped on the first plane to Israel that they could to participate in SARL Volunteers for Israel, a robust nonprofit with an international reputation. Well, I've been packing not right now, but earlier morphine and ketamine and amputation bandages and serious stuff. And it gives you a sense, especially when you see how many were packing and what Archialema really facing. Well, like everyone else that is here, our desire to help Israel in any way we can, in addition to donations and pardon my emotion, that we're here to physically help Israel in this time of special need. Well, my Zadie came to fight in the War of Independence in 48. And if I get to do a 10th of what he did for the State of Israel, and he did it for all of us and he did it so it would be here for me. If I could do a 10th of what he did, I'll be very proud. I have two sons right now who are in me, Louime. One of them up north, one of them in the Merkaz, and, you know, I have a son-in-law who's up north. SARL, which is a Hebrew acronym, meaning Service for Israel, has recruited over 150,000 volunteers from over 30 countries since its inception 40 years ago. I graduated college at the time of the Six-Day War in 67. I wanted to come then. My family was not Zionistic. I knew they wouldn't, they would probably commit me if I came. I heard about Surrell when I was visiting my son in Teaneck, New Jersey, and I said, oh my God, I can do today what I couldn't do 50 years ago. This is now Rochelle Kimmel of Burrow Park, Brooklyn's fourth SARL volunteer mission. And for Dina Wolfe, who's originally from Manchester, England, SARL volunteers have already become her family. This is your first day volunteering. Do you feel like you've known her forever already? I just think she is just amazing. She's an inspiration, and I'm just in admiration. Everybody is doing as much as they can, but some of us have that feeling it's just not enough. So when my sister decided to come from Manchester to do SARL, I jumped on the bandwagon. With the hate and vitriol against Jewish people hitting a critical juncture around the world, the existential fear is paralyzing. We've been through an awful lot in the United Kingdom being Jewish. There is an awful lot of antisemitism. I had been racially hounded on social media. I had had eggs thrown at my car. Jenny Sadeh, who was active on social media, has been nearly silenced to the point that she's had to change her profile name. And she even feels safer in Israel during wartime than in the UK. I walk in the streets. I hide my star of David. What I'm trying to say is usually I'm very proud. I'm very happy to wear my flag. This time it's very scary. I feel like I needed to be here. And I'm very glad I am. It's been very rewarding. As you can see, men and women of all ages and nationalities are united for a common cause. Fulfilling our soldiers' medical needs, while also filling their souls in the Jewish homeland. It's very disturbing. My son said to me, you're not going to want to listen to the news stations that you've been listening to when you come home. And it's very depressing. Anybody who has the ability to be here should definitely take the plunge and come. And this is where we need to be. It's our country. At the Telos-Shamer IDF base, Emily Francis, I-24 News. That's great. Thank you to them and to Emily. I-24 News Live team coverage continues throughout the day. Stay up to date with the I-24 News app. I'm Albert Lewerton reporting live from Tel Aviv. Nicole Sette picks up the coverage after the break before right now. The next video, get your tissues out. This is what you want to see. This is what the world wants to see, the homecomings. Take a look.