 How do you get out of your comfort zone? How do you become more confident? Are you the shy and reclusive type? Are you the type of person that you go out in the street and you want to say hello to people? But you're too scared. You don't know how to start. You don't know how to start a conversation Maybe you're a guy. You see a pretty girl. You don't know how to talk to her If you're a girl, you don't know how to get into a bunch of conversations Maybe you're in a coffee shop and you're working away at your computer and you see people come and sit next to you You don't talk to them at all during the day and you just stick to yourself and you feel isolated and alone and nothing's happening And no one's inviting you anywhere Does this feel like you well, it's time to get out of your comfort zone and become more confident and Today we're going to figure out how to do that. I brought in a new friend of mine a German fellow who lives here in Los Angeles by the name of Till Gross He is the founder of comfort zone crusher So we're going to crush your comfort zone. He's got one of the top 100 TEDx talks of all time Which is called how to become more confident lay down in the street for 30 seconds And he helps young people overcome social anxiety with evidence-based psychology till gross. How are you mate? Great to have you here First of all, I think that was the best introduction I've ever had so thanks for that. Well, thank you I appreciate the kind words. This is about to be the best interview you've ever had as well You're the master here. You're someone who's pushed himself out of his comfort zone and become a master interviewer So let's just get into this right away you were you a shy reclusive type at one point and you learned how to beat the system Or were you always confident? So I was never necessarily reclusive for shy. However did struggle social anxiety a certain extent, right? So I was always considered myself an extrovert. I love being one of the people I got a lot of energy from being one of the people but there were often certain situations where I Would worry a lot what other people might think about me, right? I would go to certain parties only if I could bring my friends along because I was afraid of going there by myself Then there might be like one situation one moment where I stand by myself No one is talking to me and then other people might think one cool so those are pretty often those moments where I struggled and Where I was a little bit afraid and they were often when I was 19 20 I you know Didn't try to do things like you were stretching network and try to meet more people There were often moments where I want to talk to a specific person at an event But I didn't have the courage to work up to them and that was probably the biggest Situations in moments last record. So it would never really be shy or occlusive but more those specific things Would get like socially anxious and nervous and then didn't execute didn't follow through and certain things It's a common thing I have a lot of people who follow my my podcast follow me on YouTube and my snapchat and they're always asking me Hey, how do I? Approach not just girls if they're a guy, but like how do I approach even just other guys and platonic situations and start a conversation? I think we've always had that social anxiety Before why is it inherently in our brain? Like why are we wired to be afraid of actually putting ourselves into a new social environment? It's a lot of different reasons right so one of the big reasons is and so many people now at this point talked about this That if you go back tens of thousands of years if you were in tribes back back in the days you can reject it from one of the tribe members probably the rest of the tribe would also reject you and Being excluded from the tribe most of the time would mean that for this reason. We're terrified of rejection So even nowadays we might go rejected by person It doesn't have doesn't make any impact on our life because we just move on because for example Both of us we live in Los Angeles if you get rejected from one person You just go over to the next bar to the next club to the next networking event Or maybe just to the next room and there are a bunch of new people nobody cares you can reject it five minutes before However, it's still so deep inside of us. There was still a friend of rejection. Actually, there are a couple of studies that show They put They look at your brain and there's certain parts of your brain that Light up when you feel pain. So when you feel physical pain certain parts of brain light up now they Constructed experiment where people would get rejected. So we get like three people two of them were playing a ball back and forth and the person that was the Participant in the study that would never pass the ball to this person So the person would feel rejected and then the same areas the brain would light up That are associated with real physical pain So getting rejected is also physically painful and fear at the end of the day is nothing else than anticipated pain So when I imagine, oh my god, there might be something pain from the future my body shoots up adrenaline I start to get fearful anxious. So imagine a micro rejected. It might be painful This is when fear comes into play and this reading why we've had a rejection. I love that fear is Anticipated pain. Whoa, that's good. I like that Not that there's anything to like about the actual meaning of it, but it's a cool nice sentence, you know fear is anticipated pain so Okay, so the pain of What of rejection is that is that what it is in a social context? It's the fear of rejection So where's the danger in being rejected? Like what's the danger to us? And that's the thing, right? There is no real danger. So it's anticipated pain So we so we think at one point there might be the pain Or not for example, walk up to her, you know, an important person in networking event and walk up to them and say something It's not the right thing to say and then they reject me and we are afraid of this rejection or minority projects We are getting rejected and this is the thing that we fear and For this reason most of us never actually go ahead and talk to this person So for this reason we never find out that there's actually no pain waiting for us because usually and this is what we do with our clients Basically it's exposure therapy So you have to go you have to do face the things that scare you and then you notice I think it was a temporary interview We talked to Jeremy Fox and Jeremy Fox Talked about this. He said what is on the other side of fear nothing and this is basically the case that yes It's anticipated pain but once we put ourselves in those situations and once we approach other people once we put ourselves in the situation where you Might get rejected it is not as painful as expected So they're usually two outcomes either when I walk up to a person and talk to them most of the time They're friendly. They're nice. They talk back and chemical compensation. This might happen So you notice well, there's no pain actually happening or the other outcome might be and everybody's already experienced this You might walk up to a person or that's a guy or a girl and you do get rejected But then what you notice is oh wow like I got rejected, but I'm still alive So nothing really happened to me and then this is called desensitization So after time as you do this over and over and over again the brain starts to run Oh, wow, I put myself in those seemingly dangerous situations again and again and again where my car rejected And even though I do get rejected Nothing really happens to me nothing really physically happens to me and there's actually no real danger waiting for me And then step-by-step and slowly start to lose your feet You never completely but you lose it more and more. Yeah, I don't think anyone's ever gonna overcome the fear of rejection You just have to harness it and just use it You kind of have to draw a line in this hand and just say you know what effort I feel the fear But I'm gonna do it anyway, and then just do it anyway And that's essentially what it is, right and a lot of people think A lot of my clients when they come to us at the beginning We ask them what do you want and they say I don't know if you're socially anxious and more I don't want to feel nervous anymore, and they're just so focused on not feeling the negative thing anymore And then we'll have to shift the perspective and ask them all right, let's imagine you wouldn't be anxious anymore What would you do then would you just sit at home not being anxious or would you actually go out and do certain things? And they come up with things like I would start going to parties I would start dating I would start whether you know You know when then when they are an artist that would go up on stage and present the art and Then we tell them all right We can't promise you that we get that you will never feel fear again However, we can get you to this level that you are able to talk to people that you're able to date that you're able to go up On stage and present your song or poetry or whatever it is right and I think this is the important thing It's not not feeling fear anymore It's being able to do all those things that you care about your life because that's what it's really about It's not about always being pleasant and comfortable instead of a quitting meaning your life and meaning comes from doing the things that you value the most All right, great. So let's do some practical ways here in which we can actually become more confident Let's do a handful of things First of all, but actually before we get into that that your TEDx talk Part of it is talking about laying down in the street for 30 seconds. Just explain that for us. So This you know the funny thing of this goes back One of the things that we always pride ourselves on is that all of our stuff is back there by a ton of signs So all of the people that work for me and I myself as well. We all started psychology We always go back to actually evidence-based studies. However, one of our core concepts did not come from evidence-based studies Instead it came from Tim Ferriss for a work week And he talked about the comfort challenges We call them comfort zone challenges and one of the challenges that he proposed was to simply go to a crowded area Maybe a sidewalk maybe shopping mall and simply lay down on the floor and this of all those people for 30 seconds And we started that big challenge and that was the first chance that I thought we're done And the deep behind this is that the biggest fear most time we have is being rejected and being judged by others Now if you're being what sorry being rejected or being judged by others being judged by others, okay So when and you know exposure therapy and overcoming your fears is all about facing those fears So when you consciously do something completely weird and crazy and nuts Where there's a high chance of other people looking at you judging you rejecting you That's one of the best ways to overcome those fears by facing them head-on So when you lay down in the middle of a shopping mall on the sidewalk of the street Then what happens is probably you're very afraid that people might turn around look at you and think you're crazy and By doing this usually two things happen Either most people don't even turn around and don't even care what you do, especially in bigger cities in the States Or if you actually do look at you and it kind of gives you weird looks But then once again you notice and you start to learn that nothing bad really happens might be a little bit comfortable but at the end just still survive it and Nothing bad Yeah, okay, I like that so go to a crowded area and lay down on the floor in front of all a whole lot of people and Just do it for 30 seconds and maybe just rinse and repeat and do it a few times Okay, so what's some other ways here we can crush our comfort zone and become more confident So one thing that we have is we have a free seven-day channel. So on our website when people sign up there They get over seven days. They get four different videos of different comfort zone challenge So videos of me Demonstrating different comfort zone challenges. How you can you know overcome your fears so you can get more comfortable talking to people And basically stop caring. What other people think about you are some of the favorite challenges that we have Or that the people like the most one of them is called hands to the sky So simply what you do is you stretch your arms as high as you can and then we'll just stretch arms in the air you simply walk through crowded area, you know, it's a sidewalk shopping mall and so on and Then you simply look the people that you pass straight and die while you have your arms straight in the air And if this too easy to make a little bit harder what you can do is you can jump up and down while doing this and make noises like a bird and Really attract a lot of attention and after this believe me your heart is gonna pump and it's gonna go very fast But afterwards what people always say is it's kind of like give them this feeling of relief Because once they did this and they attracted all this attention, but nothing that happens Afterwards they kind of calm and completely relaxed So jump up and down in front of a crowd and make sounds like a bird. Exactly. Okay. Okay demonstrate for us right now till go Not too many people around otherwise, I would totally do this right now. No, no, no, you're gonna totally do it Let's do it. I think I think you're the person standing right now, right? You you are gonna do it right now Knowing that this is gonna be listened to by thousands of people around the world and seen by thousands of people So I want to see you act like a bird and make sounds like a bird right now. Let's see it. Come on One go Just want you next time when we go for a hike we can shoot a little video together and then That was very good People in my living room right now and I've got you so there's three So was that the right thing to do just jump up and down in the inner street and just make sounds like that That's it. Yeah, you know that did you ever watch that movie Dumb and Dumber with Jim Carrey and he goes Hey, and and and the two of them the two made characters Jim Carrey's character and Damn it. I can't remember but anyway, they're driving around and they've got the killer the bad guy in there And he's the bad guy sitting in between him and Jim Carrey says to the bad guy Hey, do you want to hear the most annoying sounds in the world? He goes I'm just laughing hysterically. I'm just recalling this scene. It was so funny But like you can literally go out and just go up to like random people go Hey, do you want to do you want to hear the world's most annoying sound? I think you just discovered a new conference of challenge. Oh, man, that is funny. Oh I'm just laughing at my own humor Okay, so jump up and down and make sounds like a bird. All right. What's another one give us another give us another exercise One of the challenges is so then they would also want to mention those conference I'm never about you're making fun about that He was more about like making fun of yourself and overcome your own insecurities Right. So another challenge is is convincing strangers to do some crazy stuff with you For example, what you try to do with me right now that you convinced me no, let's do the challenge Let's do the challenge One of the challenges that you should go out and you try to convince other people for example Hey, let's do five push-ups together or let's how like a wolf together This is another challenge where you on the one hand have to basically pilot of social skills to convince another person And at the same time also once again make fun of yourself All right, I like that. So just just review that one more time for me that last one just what I'm lying is so you go out and You convince another person to do a comfortable challenge together with you. I like it. So you basically got accountability, right? Yeah, it's more like that you're able to convince another person to do something crazy with you Yeah, I'm approaching a stranger and I'm getting a stranger to do something crazy with you Yeah, I remember years years ago I was with someone and there was a pretty woman who walked by and we were oh, wow Look at that woman and the guy said to me go and go and talk to her and I'm like nah Nah, nice it go go go I was like Okay, and I got up and I just and I just went so having someone there to push you is huge I mean half the battle in life is having someone to hold you accountable and in all areas whether it's getting out of your comfort zone in In terms of talking to someone or whether it's you know Being held accountable for performing a work task for example or doing some kind of health activity. It's being held Accountable all right. I like this so So far we've got go to a crowded area and lay down on the floor in front of people for 30 seconds Second one is jump up and down and make sounds like a bird third one is convince another person to do it with you to dare someone What else we got till? What is another good one? Oh, yeah another good one is walk up to a stranger and tell them a joke and You can't make a quick short one or if you're very courageous to make it a very very very long job And you make it not very funny See that's funny to me. I just laughed out loud at the idea of that That's funny. There you go. Um, I like that. That's good And I know a friend of mine a guy called Matt Matt Gallard who lives down in Panama City And he's an American guys and expat lives down there And he was telling me how he met his wife And he was sitting in a coffee shop an outdoor coffee shop And she walked by and she walked past him and he didn't do anything And then he thought about it for about another five seconds and he just finally said Effort, I'm just gonna do it and he got up and he ran after her and he stopped her and he ended up marrying her and they live They live, you know, that's the story city that yes You hear these stories, you know now if you're a guy listening to this Obviously, you know, there's a lot of reward in being noble and then like, you know being courageous But I can tell you from firsthand experience. It also can backfire on you So I don't want to create even more fear, but like I've I've done Something similar where I thought I was being the romantic guy and kind of like, you know, these grand gestures But it just wasn't the attention There was a woman in damn Columbia and I would write a letters in perfect Spanish and I'd fly down to see her And I'd give her flowers to do all these things and she was having none of it This is this is none of our comforts and challenges There's no comforts of time where you have to write letters in Spanish. So Well, that was definitely getting me out of my comfort zone I actually but you know, let's stay with us for a second, right? That you know, this might happen Like this is also one thing that a lot of people should realize that once you put yourself out there and Once you take a social risk, you know Whether it's something loud stupid like jumping up the street or something serious like you did where you really care about another person and You do grand gesture, for example, it's not not What is this word reciprocated exactly that's that's the one that was looking for it It hurts right and it's painful. It's uncomfortable. At least I see what was hurtful and painful uncomfortable But yes, but it gave me a lot of great content from a podcast for many years And and this might always happen and I think one big part is This is the same thing this is courage, right courage means not playing it safe It means that you actually so the scientific definition of courage is The willingness to face risk Fear and uncertainty Right So as soon as it's safe and you definitely know you're gonna get a certain outcome or there's no danger Then this is not courage Then you just do something within your company and most of time any grand gestures often take Exactly this courage and with small stuff like comparable challenges. Funny that sounds you can practice this process of Facing fear facing risk facing uncertainty It doesn't prevent you or doesn't protect you from getting hurt at one point, but it gets you it makes you better at the process of Thanks Okay. All right. I like that now When it comes to facing fear and uncertainty There was a time when I became a sports center anchor on ESPN and I remember I was I went for my audition at ESPN in 2010 and I was so uncertain I had so much fear not just a failing but of succeeding and it was the Uncertainty of what my life might be if I succeeded and I remember I went down and I did this audition in a suit and tie in front of the front of the director and the producer and the camera and I had a panic attack and I mean, it's a it's a real thing like when you just like you clamp up and my first audition was terrible I was like, hello. Welcome to Sports Center. I'm James Swannick It was really bad and the producer looked at the video and he said yeah, it's no good Thanks for auditioning but but you know thanks. Thanks again, and I in that moment I had a choice. It was like, okay I can either say alright I messed that up and walk away or I could ask for another shot So I decided to ask for another shot. I had nothing to lose, right? So I said listen, can I come back again tomorrow and give it another go and he respected me for asking and he said, okay come back tomorrow, so the next day I went back and I still was fearful but I but but I I managed to pull myself together and I went good evening everyone. Welcome to Sports Center James Swannick here alongside Anthony Howard here to take you into the weekend with the smorgasbord of sports. Let's start with the NFL and it was really good. I mean, it was a hundred times better than the day before and I ended up getting the gig I ended up getting a job posting Sports Center on ESPN If you if you Google James Swannick how I bluffed ESPN you can read the blog post and you can see a video of me making my My my debut on Sports Center and you can see some behind the scenes photos of me when I did the audition and when I was shaving my beard off before I before I went on on camera. So there is a That's what I mean by you're always going to feel the fear and sometimes it's not necessarily a fear of failure. Sometimes it's a fear of succeeding Because it's like if you succeed it's like, whoa, my whole identity is just going to be lost. I'm going to be this person Yeah, once again, you know, this this is uncertainty, right? Now certainly there's even if uncertainty There's a potential that that's uncertainty feels great. That's not certainly uncertainty. Once again, they might always danger hiding somewhere And I love something about the story that you just mentioned because often when I talk about when I give workshops I talk about exposure therapy and I say, all right, if you're afraid of something What you have to do is put yourself out there to this thing again and again and again And either two one or two things happen either it goes great awesome Or it doesn't go this great, but you notice nothing bad happened And then as always at least one person in the room room that raised their hand It says something long lines of what you just said Well, I faced my fear for example you during the audition and it was terrible at a panic attack It went horrible or maybe a total woman that I love her and she rejected me and it was horrible was the worst thing I've ever done And this is exactly the problem that people think oh, I shouldn't face my fears But this is exactly the problem. You haven't faced your fears often enough So even if it goes terribly wrong at one point If you keep on going it will always pay off in the long run, right? So for example, yes, well, there's one lady maybe the grand gesture didn't work But if you would stop there and give up there Probably the pain of being lonely for the rest of your life is worse than keep on going Maybe you've got rejected one more time another time or But probably most likely at the end you will get married for example You will find a girlfriend or Whatever your goal is in this context, right and the same with you at this Of the addition right the first time. Yes, we're terribly wrong. We need a panic attack, but the next time it worked out So this is also the big thing. Even if it goes wrong once or twice As cheesy as it sounds sounds like a planet to us, right? But keep on going it's gonna get better Like this is the thing if there's no real danger waiting for you So there's no real physical harm that's waiting for you. It will get better And this is the hardest part keep pushing through this fear uncertainty towards at one point it being better You know, it's it's funny, you know, like are you People use this analogy all the time, but it's such a good analogy. It's like in baseball If you go up to bat and you batting for like 350 which means Every time you go out like three and a half times out of 10, you make it to first base You're considered one of the greatest baseball Batteries of all time like you're just you're an exceptional Player in the professional leagues getting paid millions of dollars If you fail Six and a half times every time you go up to bat Isn't that incredible like you like you get rewarded with millions of dollars if you fail more than you succeed That's the extraordinary thing. I'm always so skeptical. So, uh repulse so rejected Most of the time with those platitudes like, you know, michael jordan He missed 16 of all his shots, right? However, you know, even though it's a platitude and everybody talks about this I think there's still some truth underneath it, right? Um, and I think it's right most of the time also we look at most of several people Yes, you do fail most of the time and then all you need to do is hit a home run once And then you start for every basically, right? Well in in entrepreneurship You can be wrong 10 times and then your 11th business makes a billion dollars and you're just a hero forever You're a legend. It's like, you know, you only have to be right once in order to like And but then then you also notice that being right once making billion dollars and being a super success will never make you happy Well, that's true. I mean, I've done I did it a podcast episode a few weeks ago and does money by happiness And I made the point that in in my in my area Currently i'm doing very well in a business that I started with my youngest brother And it gives me immense joy because I started it with him and because I came up with the idea and because it It helps so many people and it gives me so much pleasure in the fact that we hit a huge financial milestone Recently with the business Actually made me very very happy So I actually would argue that money does does give you happiness Depending on how you make the money or depending on how the money came into your life so It's not that money buys happiness or money equals happiness. It's For me, it's how did you make that money? Like what did you do? How did you become who did you help in order in order to make that you so you cannot just say, oh That guy's got 20 million dollars, but is he he's probably not happy No, I mean, maybe he's like super happy because he's helped a hundred thousand people and he's given charity And he's he's free to do whatever he wants and whatever he wants and Maybe money does buy happiness. It's just the way that he got there the way that he reproduced I should say Yeah Oh, good. I like this. You're coming back at me. You're not you're not agreeing with it. Good. Argue with me. Do it. Let's go. So so So so most of the time accomplishments are it's like it's a it's a single individual moment, right? And and the chances of this individual moment that happens you hit the milestone It's like it's a one tiny event, right? You don't hit the same milestone every single day again, right? You don't let go on hot day It's like this one thing and then you move on then the next thing happens, right? So probably consistent last so this at this moment we hit the milestone at complete understand Yes, this makes you happy in this moment and probably for the next week or two weeks for three weeks However, after some time advantage stuff and this comes in called hedonic adaptation So after some time a thing that makes you happy right now after some time You drop back to the status quo of your happiness And a bunch of studies and the most famous said that no bunch of people know those studies nowadays It's where you take two people on the one person on the one hand You have people who get like a million dollars in the lottery lottery and the other person is someone who's like Paralyzed paraplegic. Yeah, exactly up to six months Their happiness level is has resorted back to what it was before they actually got the million dollars or they Exactly. So that's like that's that's like the evidence behind this for probably accomplishment will never make you happy However, and that's what you just said, right the struggle towards the accomplishment This like this day-to-day struggle that you consciously chose That's what makes you happy and I think in life is not so much necessarily what happens but more of a meaning This is what really creates life satisfaction and probably For life satisfaction meaning is the way way bigger and more important Uh than just like pleasure and happiness So for this reason choosing is and no matter what you do, whether you were a business owner or you're an employee There are is a certain struggle behind this there's a certain pain behind this I think the thing that decides if you're going to be a happy person or not is if you figure out What is the struggle that you want to embrace and the pain that That you want to accept that comes with a certain path that you chose Because it gives meaning to your life and for some UK's working with your brother Doing the specific business being entrepreneur That is I know for sure it's not easy But this is the pain that you chose to accept and this this is the pain that gives meaning to your life That's at least how I see it and this reason why I believe that accomplishments not what make will make you happy by the struggle towards Uh accomplishment It's here it is progress equals happiness Progress equals happiness. So If you as for me, I know this definitively as long as I'm progressing in in in all areas of my life Finances health relationships education um all areas I know that i'm i'm generally speaking very happy And that's the key as long as you are progressing as long as you feel like you are progressing Progress equal equals equals happiness So it's not necessarily a one-time accomplishment because you are right as soon as you achieve a A lot of people as soon as they achieve accomplishment they get that win It's also a loss because now they got to find the next thing There you go and they jump on the hedonic treadmill and it's like okay cool Now I go and get this thing and now I got it and then it It lasts for a little bit of time and then it goes back again So that's why progress in all areas of your life and how you understand What your thought process around progress is will will equal happiness I love how we started off with how to get out of your comfort zone and now we're We're having philosophical conversations about happiness. Um go to That's just just to wrap this up right because that's what all boys boys down to like even getting on your comfort zone If you really asked would be why do you want to go to your comfort zone and if you break it down several layers most of Time they just want to be satisfied with their life in themselves. That's all it is You're talking to till gross who's the founder of comfort zone crusher. You should check out his tedx talk It's called how to become more confident lay down in the street for 30 seconds Uh, is there one is there one time that you record till where you were like so scared so nervous So fearful and you just pushed through and you just did it anyway. And what was the result when that happened? Um, so probably my very very first comfort zone challenge. That was definitely moment was very very scared. Um Probably another thing was I was 20 20 yeah was 20 Um, and I was still going to university. I was still my second semester in school was back in australia and vienna And I for I have no idea what I set myself the scope But I told myself with very very large classes with like 600 700 people per class And I told myself I want to hold a lecture here in front of all those people I want to do this here And um, it was very unrealistic and I talked to all my different professors everybody said no There's not possible. You can't do this and then I walked up to my third professor Uh, newer science professor I liked him a lot and think was an incredible teacher and I told when I asked him I was like, hey If I relentlessly prepare like a tiny tiny part of the book And I just like work my butt off and I know this tiny section of the book better than you Do you think in the in the case you were sick? Am I Gonna get the chance for 15 minutes hold part of the lecture and he started smiling He was hey, you know what any kind of knew that I was doing some stuff on the side He was like, you know what I really like the way you approach your studies How about you just give a talk at the introduction of the summer semester To all those students and you just talk about how you approach your studies and how you approach Uh, basically learning and your career and I was like, all right. I'm happy to do this Um, and that was the moment that was probably one of the scariest things I've done at this point of time because I would walk in there and everybody was Specifically older than me everybody at this class was a couple semesters ahead And I would walk in there stand in front of 700 students that were my age or older And I would tell them basically and show them how they could approach their studies And how they could approach their career and I was terrified because I thought I walk in there and I could really picture it people might really think okay, who was this young kid? What the fuck is he talking about? Who the fuck he thinks he is nobody set up to listen to me They came to listen to my professor and what is this kid doing in front of us? And I did anyways, um, and I was terrified weeks before and couldn't couldn't sleep It was so important to me So I wanted to do it and I did it and a couple of people right at the beginning didn't even listen to me just to walk out of the room But 95 percent of the people stayed And they applauded and it was a pretty good success. My professor was very part of me the people liked it a lot And this actually then later on led to my second TEDx talk because someone will organize the TEDx event watch the video of this Especially recording of this and then invited me asked me. Hey, can you do this in English? Can you give a TEDx talk about this? Then I get my second TEDx talk That was one moment where definitely still thinking about this right now. I still remember the sleepless nights right before Yeah It's amazing if you just step up to the plate you feel the fear and you do it anyway amazing things can happen Remember fear is simply anticipated pain and on the other side of fear is nothing You like that one? I love it. I love it. I'm gonna roll with it till gross founder of comfort zone crusher Thank you so much uh to the listener and the viewer make sure you go to comfort zone crusher dot com Comfort zone crusher dot com check out till's uh TEDx talk how to become more confident lay down on the street for 30 seconds Just to review those challenges number one go to a crowded area lay down on the floor in front of all these In front of a bunch of people for 30 seconds Number two jump up and down and make sounds like a bird like I demonstrated for you here Number three convince someone else to do it accountability dare someone and have them dare you And then number four walk up to a stranger and just tell them a very bad or a very long joke and just see what happens But be willing to face fear and uncertainty just push through feel the fear and just do it anyway Till thanks very much for your time. I really appreciate it brady Thanks a lot James