 The industries that are represented on the panel here, medical devices and food are certainly two industries that are extremely in the crosshairs in terms of making sure they can produce quality product. Michael, maybe to start with you, to what extent do you think the adoption of industry 4.0 and data analytics is being driven by the regulatory requirements or being slowed down by regulatory complexity in the pharmaceutical industry? Do you have any comments on that? I think if you look at regulatory organizations like the FDA, they see that they're moving at pace as well, because they see that all the companies that are responsible to report to them are moving on because you've got new technologies, you've added of manufacturing. It's a different world, and everybody has to move forward. But at the same time, regulation is difficult. And to find CSV engineers in this country, they're like hen's teeth. So even if you've got some great ideas and you want to put them into operation, there is a lead time to implement that in a regulated environment, and sometimes it will stop projects. So it's about, again, it's about that maturity of saying regulation is part and parcel of a project, bake it into the timeline, and work with the regulatory authorities, because they're moving forward with analytics of their own. They're looking to blockchain, and they're looking to big data and all these technologies to improve how they regulate environments. So I think everybody has to move forward together, but the key thing is they do need to move forward. And you think the companies who are coming with the big red button that you described maybe sometimes don't appreciate the complexity of that regulatory environment in which, apart from the fact that maybe the wires aren't there to connect up, maybe some of the kind of solutions haven't taken to account the regulatory complexity within the medtech farm industry? Yeah, well, I think it's a double edged sword, because a lot of the companies that are coming into you predominantly work in that space. So if they don't know about it, then they shouldn't be in that space. But at the same time, I think they're more caught out by the fact that your company just isn't wired up. And other companies then, I think, maybe that are breaking into that space, it's a different animal. I've worked in electronic consumer, and I've worked in a regulated environment. And the speed to technology adoption is very, very different, because you don't have the regulatory onus on you in the electronics sector. If I sell you a computer and the hard drive fails, I'll just give you a bigger hard drive. Do recall, yeah. But if I give you a hip that's faulty, that's a different animal. So I think new entrants have to take a bit of time. Existing entrants, I think, they seem to struggle with the fact that more supply chains are not wired up digitally yet. Yeah, okay, very good. And Darren, I mean, you talked about the food sector and the massive negative consequences that can happen from people not being controlled of their quality processes and the safety issues that creates for consumers. I mean, how do you see from your perspective, I mean, you've worked with regulatory agencies in the US, how do you see them moving in that context? And how did it work with big massive multinational companies who maybe have the resources to invest versus the mom-and-pop shops and the local food providers that are out there and are growing all the time now in the industry? Well, I think, and I love the bridge image you showed at the end, the idea that if you're not going, the bridge will move. I don't think that we're gonna find one day that someone doesn't want, you know, we're not selling or buying rice or potatoes or beef. That's not what we're looking at. We're looking at the idea that consumers themselves have evolved, such that consumers are expecting to be able to find information about that product or about that company online or to scan a QR code or to find information, to find where it came from, when was it picked? How is it certified? Does it meet these auditing standards? That is the kind of shift in culture. I mean, look at today, how many people leave feedback for a Lyft or Uber or eBay or Amazon? We want to leave feedback. We want to see these feedback. We want this with our food now. And the next generation of consumers, the next generation of people who are working in this industry are gonna be faced with the idea that not only is it a more complex industry that is experiencing changes in the regulatory requirements for that product, but the fact that the consumers themselves want to have that information stake, a two-way direction, information stake, as a stakeholder that can find out information about that and that can provide the impetus for we want it this way or we want this information. And I think that those small companies, those mom-and-pop restaurants or small farms, they're gonna have a very difficult challenge in terms of those economic barriers to market, to get on the shelves of that retailer. But I do think that there are solutions out there and at some point we will be able to see that diverse participation within the market. I just think that the overall shift in awareness like the bridge, if we don't adapt to the change of the consumer culture, then we're gonna be left high and dry. That's my wife laughing. And Guillermo, maybe you wanna touch a little bit on the different, I mean, you talked a little bit about the adoption of open source technology and so on. I mean, do you wanna talk about the difference in what you perceive as the, because you've worked in a number of different sectors, the adoption rate of open source technology in different industries? Yeah, basically at the moment I'm most involved in healthcare, but I can feel the difference in terms of mindset on open source. While in healthcare, there is this openness to open source saying we have to solve some problems, save lives, improve things. Let's see if there is something ready to production. I can feel the same manufacturing and this is not restricted to Ireland only. I'm talking about different places in Europe. I'm coming three months ago from a conference in Germany where the concept of industry 4.0 has been born and lots of interesting ideas there. They realize that there are no open standards yet. So this I think is key to, if you want to talk really on industry 4.0, otherwise you have silos, islands and the same applies to open source. So there is a lot of work to be done on this space. Otherwise this idea stays as ideas, not that something that you could leverage to production. And Riccardo, just one question for you as well. I mean, in terms of, I mean, see there's a great example of this kind of idea of open innovation and companies collaborating. Do you see the need to do more of that in Ireland that we already well progressed in that context in terms of promoting collaboration across sectors, across industries, you know, the mom and pop, the small companies at large, or do we need to do more? In Ireland, we are lucky because there is also, the IT industry is so big, this is influencing also other things like manufacturing. It happens with banking, finance is more close as well, so I'm confident that Ireland could drive this than propagator across Europe or elsewhere. That was a fantastic answer. The pressure of Riccardo there. I'd say in terms of see there, we do a lot of these, you know, kind of networking activities, particularly just to do this, you know, to actually cooperate and, you know, big projects there. But the thing is we experience this kind of necessity because a lot of companies come, and for example, for the last two years, we have a lot of industry 4.0 companies, for example, in oil, oil and gas and energy, coming and basically saying we have this data, what do we do with that? We sit down with them and we have to actually do a brainstorming session and come up with ideas. So we tell them, what are your business goals? What are your problems? What do you want to achieve? And then we come with this kind of solution for them. Because many of the companies seems to me that are lost. Obviously others, I don't know, maybe Johnson and Johnson or Optum, you know, they are well in track at others and small companies, they need just to interact more, you know, I don't know, see there is a great example of innovation, but there are plenty of companies out there and centers. Yeah, but I think, you know, organizations like events like this, an organization like your own and that's the group as well can help perhaps some learnings between companies as well, promote some learnings from the companies that are more advanced to ones that are really just starting on this journey and are just, you know, as Mike was saying, just starting, they feel the wall is quite high, but they... Oh yeah, totally, but still, you know, I can see that, for example, companies like Optum and Johnson and Johnson, they use us for particular niches that they want to actually explore. So perhaps, you know, they are very good in data analytics and they are using deep learning up to an extent, but they want to go into predictive maintenance, applying this and they don't have the skills there at the moment, so they use us. And what we have seen, for example, with one of the companies in Oil and Gas, they came to us, they have zero data scientists, they asked us to do a project and then to kind of work with them to bring data analytics and, you know, kind of stuff into their company. So now I think they have within a year, five data scientists working from zero to five, which I think is good, you know, we helped them with that. It was at Bootsport a few years ago about, it's about black data, so when you have data in-house, but don't know what you do, but now in manufacturing, Bootsport could be used to look at the experience shared by Ricardo, so we could talk about black data. Folks, I'm just conscious of time. I have a big red light flashing at me here. Are there any burning questions from the floor, or can we let our panel go today? If not, I'd like if you could thank them in the traditional way for the contribution today. Thank you.