 Hey, good morning, everyone. Welcome to another new day. Let's begin this time with a word of prayer. Maybe any one of us can please lead in prayer. Let's pray. Dear one Heavenly Father, we thank You, Lord, for this beautiful day. Thank You, Lord, for your morning and new every day. Lord, we thank You for this day. Lord, we thank You for gathering. Lord, You have gathered us all here today, Lord God, to learn, to study, to meditate upon Your Word. Oh Lord, I pray in the name of Jesus, enlighten our spiritualized, spiritual years. Father God, that we may understand Your Word in a better way, Father God. Lord, we also give ourselves into Your hands, Father God. Every distractions we remove in the name of Jesus. Father God, I pray, I bless our dear pastor, Lord God. I pray and ask you to anoint him as he teaches us Your Word, Father God. Lord, let Your Word be sown in a good ground, Father God. And let us reap a good hundredfold harvest, Father God, for Your kingdom. Lord, we thank You in Jesus' mighty name, we pray. Amen. Amen. Thank You, Rosalind. Thank You. Okay, so last week we've been talking about the ministry of the teacher and how, you know, Jesus was our best example. We looked at that two classes prior to this. And then we also saw how the teacher, the ministry of the teacher was in the early church. So we looked at, you know, how Apostle Paul, also in the book of Acts, we see that he established churches and there were teachers raised up. The church in Antioch, the church in the Roman church had a lot of teachers as well. And then the ministry gift of teaching and how, you know, the Holy Spirit is our teacher. So, yes, we prepare, we have to go through the Word, we have to spend time in God's Word. But the Holy Spirit can bring revelation into our hearts in such a way that can really, you know, enlighten, not enlighten, but it will really bring a deep revelation into our hearts. It can open truths that we never really understood. So we looked at last week, the teacher in the early church, how, you know, some very important points was, you know, ensuring sound doctrine and the whole aspect of women teachers. And we looked at that, why Paul said in 1 Timothy 2, he said, I don't allow women to preach. So I hope we're all clear on that. It's important that we understand why Paul said it, because if we don't, a simple sentence or a simple verse like this can be taken out of context and completely thrown out of proportion. And, you know, the whole aspect of, you know, women teaching changes. So we must be, you know, when we are teaching, we must be convicted and convinced of something, right? We can't teach something we are not convinced of. So we must ensure that we know it. We understand why these things come up, these questions. And then we also look at raising up good teachers. As a leader, the most important thing is to raise up other leaders, right? And we see that in the church in Jerusalem, we see that in the church in Antioch. And we see that even in the early churches, there was this whole, you know, way of a method that people used to raise up leaders. The Lord Jesus raised up many leaders. And without leaders to take on the next generation or the next task that is there, without leaders, we won't be able to function, right? Remember, ministry is not a one-man show. It's not a one-man show. The Lord Jesus himself, being God, he came into this world. And as a human being, he knew that we need to work as a team, right? And there was a reason he chose the 12. There was a reason that he trained them because a sign of a great leader is the number of leaders he will raise up, right? And so as teachers and in ministry always look to raise up people or other leaders who can replicate what Jesus did, right? Now, I'm not saying that raising up leaders is going to happen overnight, right? Nor is it going to happen in six months or one year. It may take time. It may take, you know, five years, 10 years. But we are called to do that, right? Now, though, you know, when we talk about raising leaders, it's a big area, right? So raising up leaders, sometimes we may look at people and make judgment upon them, okay? I don't think this person can do it. Or maybe they failed in a task that you've given them. We feel, okay, I don't think we can do this, right? And so that is why as teachers, as leaders, we need wisdom, right? We need the leading of the Holy Spirit. Because if we lead with our flesh, it's very easy to disqualify people. And say, hey, last time I gave him or her this task, it was not done. So it doesn't look like I'm going to give it again. But that's not how Jesus, you know, did his ministry, right? He looked at Peter and he looked at his disciples with love. He said, yeah, you were all, you know, you were not there when I needed you the most. But it doesn't mean that you're not leaders. You have things ahead. I have the plans for you and they are going to be for the ministry. So raising up leaders. This is especially for those in full-time ministry, maybe in the past total team or you've got your own ministry. Don't be insecure to raise leaders. Never be insecure to raise leaders. Now picture this. Imagine you are a worship leader. This is an example. Imagine you're a worship leader and another person comes into your church who is better than you in playing guitar, better than you in playing keyboard and is a very good worship leader. Now my responsibility as a person in the ministry as since we're doing God's work. My responsibility must be to give this person the right opportunities and elevate him to the call that God has for him, him or her, right? The moment I say, what if I give him an opportunity and they like his worship more and the church likes his worship more than mine? I have failed, right? And we see that happening not only, you know, I just gave the example of worship but there may be people who are, you know, in preaching, in teaching, in anything, in ministry as a whole, right? There may be people who are better than us in what we are doing. We may be doing it in 10 years. We may be doing it, you know, for example, preaching for 10 years. All of a sudden this young person may come, right? Just one year in ministry, but he has this beautiful way of teaching and preaching. What will we do? Now we must question ourselves, right? We must guard our hearts against any kind of pride or any kind of feeling of insecurity, right? And we at ABC, we always believe that when our identity is in Christ, right? Whether people, you know, it's very less in, at least in ABC, we don't really feel that, oh, this person has to like us or that person has to like us. We do what God has called us to do and we follow God's word, live Godly lives, live honorably, live with integrity, raise up leaders and that's a sign of good leadership, right? And so as teachers, raise up other teachers, right? Now, doesn't mean that, you know, you have to like sit with one person and keep teaching him now. Over time, right? Over time, you can always give opportunities to people, right? We were talking about this in life groups the other day and, you know, when we start small groups and life groups, we look at potential leaders in a group and we say, okay, you know, this person can be a leader. So we work with them, we spend time with them, we give them opportunities, right? Why don't you teach this week or why don't you prepare, you know, a sermon for 30 minutes and see if you'll be able to deliver the message. So many ways, right? And as you journey along, you know, we will learn how to raise up other leaders, right? But never be in a place where we disqualify somebody just because of a couple of mistakes they make, right? We all make mistakes but they should be willing to take correction and continue on, right? So we saw that last week. Yeah, John has got a question, yes. Let me just go that. Okay, two questions John has. What if the lack of commitment of the person affects the entire congregation? Okay, that's a good question. So John, in case you see somebody who's a potential leader, the first thing we must do is, you know, carefully consider God, is this something that, you know, you feel that now we, of course, we are led by the Holy Spirit. So we pray and we say, God, I feel that this person can be a good worship leader. I'm just using worship leader as an example, right? I feel that this person can be a good worship leader. So I'm going to work with him, right? Now this person, worship leader, he may not be regular every Sunday. He may be very, you know, casual in his attitude and, you know, may not be too interested in church. Just comes maybe once in four weeks. He comes only once and that's what he comes only because he's, you know, rostered to lead the worship. Now, these kinds of considerations, right? It takes time, right? You need to sit with them, right? You need to like, you know, spend time with them, ask them, you know, what's happening with your life? What do you think about this worship? So it's a journey. It takes time, right? What do you think about this song? Hey, why don't you, you know, develop in your, you know, your musical skills? These are certain, you know, material that I found online, you can, you know, learn from this. Now, even after everything you have done, you see that there's no interest from the other person. There's no, you know, for example, you've sent some songs and you said, hey, why don't we learn these two songs? Or you've sent some reading material. They haven't even gone through it. We see that there's no interest from them. We've got to move on, right? Because we can't forcefully say, okay, you are talented, so you have to become the next leader. No. You see, God has given us talents and we have to use it for God's glory. But we cannot pressurize people. We cannot force them. Leadership is something that should come from within, right? But there are situations when, you know, leaders who, you know, there are people who have come into church who seem to very, very disinterested. But over time, over, you know, working with them, giving them opportunities, they've got the interest and they have, you know, really become good leaders. So when we say affects the entire congregation, in what way, John? Can you tell me in what way does it affect the entire congregation? Let's say they've given an opportunity during the main service. Or even in one of the church services in the midweek and doesn't show up or like that. So it affects the entire congregation, right? And they also lose testimony in those cases. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So if they don't show up, now that is, you know, we need to really see leadership. It involves, even as we raise leaders, we need to be a little stern. There's God's grace. And we looked at that, that was in the book of Corinthians, teaching the third year. You know, there's God's grace and there is authority. We put it together, right? Now, the apostle Paul is telling the believers in Corinth, you know, there are people in the church who are sexually immoral. So I'll have to expel them from the church. But doesn't mean I'm not gracious because I'm protecting the entire church because of this one person. He can affect the whole church. So if a person has been assigned a task in the church and you see that there's a repetition of, you know, disinterest or not showing up. If it affects the entire congregation, you got to take them out of the leadership. You got to tell them to step back. Him or her, you can tell them to step back. Hey, I see that you've got many things happening, you know. So one thing that at APC, we follow is the two strike policy, right? Now, other ministries can do three strike, four strike, whatever. But we did the two strike policy. So first time, you know, there's an excuse. Okay, give them another chance. Second time, if the same thing repeats, you know, we tell them to take a break. So the point is we don't want the congregation to be affected. We don't want that to happen, right? That's why the Apostle Paul and Coran beautifully, he says that he's looking at the whole church and he's telling this one man. I think his first content chapter six, he's telling this one man. You, the person who's actually moral, he needs to be out of the church because his actions are affecting everyone in the church, right? Now, was he a believer? Yes. Was he spiritually gifted? Could be because we know the church was a church that was always flowing in gifts of spirit. But there was a character issue, right? And so where there's a character issue, they need to be worked with and we see that there's no change. You will have to make a hard decision, right? You can ask them to step down, take some time. Now, you'll get two responses. One, they'll say, how can you ask me not to lead? I've been a worship leader for 10 years. They may get offended. And the second response is they, I'm leaving the church. Now, these are responses we cannot control, right? And over time, hopefully he will learn that, you know, this is how ministry is, but nothing should affect the congregation, right? Because the congregation is very important. You are the shepherd of the congregation. So we need to, you know, be sure of that, right? The second question is what if the person was a lot of potential to be a leader spiritually and talent wise, but doesn't have a good testimony from others in the church? Okay, that's also a very good question. So we must understand this that we all are gifted in some way or the other, right? We can be musically gifted. We can be gifted in teaching or, you know, preaching in so many ways, right? There are so many things that we are gifted in dance, art, all of these things. And these are all ways that we can serve in the church. Now, if a person doesn't have a good testimony from others in the church, now, here's first thing we must do. Go to scripture. What does the scripture say? First thing is have a witness, right? Find out what is happening in this person. Why is this testimony out? Right? So for example, there's a, you know, there's a, you know, a youth leader, right? That's an example, right? A youth leader. But there's this whole thing of, you know, hey, there's youth leaders always talking arrogantly to everyone. He's talking rudely just because he's a leader. Now, it's a serious problem, right? It's not like it's not a serious, it's okay. No, he's a leader. Leave it. No, it is a serious problem because as a leader, we cannot talk rudely and harshly to people, right? In the congregation. So first thing, you have a couple of witnesses. So somebody comes and tells you, you know, what this youth leader has been talking rudely to many of us. And don't immediately go and talk to him and say, hey, why did you do this? Right? So that's where we need to speak with a little bit of wisdom. Say, okay, I'll handle this. So we can probably call the other folks, other youth and say, okay, all of the, get all the youth together. So this is what is happening in church. So I heard that this is what's happening. Is there anybody else who feels that way? Now, some may say no, some may say, hey, you know, his character is with that, but he's a good person. Some may say, yes. So if you have like, even three or four people saying the same thing, then it's something that you have to deal with. And three or four youth say, yes, he has been rude to me also in various instances. Then you have, we have to take time to correct him. We have to call him or her, sit with them, talk to them and tell them, see, this is what I've got. These are the, you know, the, this is a feedback that I got from people within the church. These are the youth. And what do you think about it? So then you're having a conversation. They're trying to let him know that, hey, you can't just say whatever you want. And then you bring correction, right? Through the word of God, bring correction. And then you ask them, you let them continue, right? Let them continue. Ask them to step down and all of that, right? So you bring correction. You tell them, hey, so let's not do this. You need to change the way you speak. You know, you may be the worship pastor, you may be or the youth pastor and you may be very talented and all, but character is also very important. So you change your ways. Now you give them a time, right? Tell them, okay, in three months, we'll meet again. Right. And after three months, you know, in those three months, watch him. It's not like you're doing some, you know, investigation work on him. But basically you're just watching his life. You're just trying to see that things are all right. You're also trying to talk to the youth. Now, why are you doing this? It's not because you're doubting him, but you're protecting the church, right? You can go up to them also every month, just talk to them. Now, if the testimony does not change, and we see that he continually sinning. There's this continuous thing of, no, there's no change of the way he speaks or the way he, you know, he's still being harsh with people, harsh with the youth. You know, I remember this one youth pastor in another church in, this happened in North India. And this pastor said, he, we were there that day, and he began to shout at the youth because they were having tea. And it was, you know, five minutes extra, something, I think it was the session had already started, but they were having tea. Now, I know that these youth were, you know, doing all the work, they were carrying the chairs and, you know, doing all the hard work. So they just came for a tea, but the session had started. And this, I think it was the associate or the youth pastor who came and shouted at them, right? And immediately I got to know that this, you know, this is something not right. Now, why am I saying this? Because sometimes we may, you know, as, like especially youth, we need to know how to handle, you know, okay, these are elderly families. You know, we know how to handle them. Then there's youth. We must understand how to handle them. You can't say, don't go to, you know, movies. Don't go here. Don't. We can't keep saying all those things, right? Especially if you're in an urban city and then you've got teens, right? You can't say teens don't use Instagram. It's from the devil. You can't do that, right? So we must understand what's around us. But we must also be in a place where we say, hey, be able to speak into their lives. The testimony, you know, this is what your life is, and this is what we must do. So if that change does not happen, they have to step down. You have to make that decision, right? Now, it may look very stern, but it's all right. Because you're doing what is in right in the eyes of God. You're doing what is scriptural, right? And I encourage you to read 1 Corinthians, especially the chapter 3 to about chapter 7 and how Paul deals with the people in the church. And we know that Paul was talked so much about grace, you know. Everywhere he says, by the grace of God, by the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ. But here he's saying, to so sternly expel the immoral brother, take him out of the church. Don't let him be there. And he was upset with the leaders saying, how can you tolerate this within the church? And so the church's priority, the body of Christ. But we must also understand we're all people, church is a group of people with different temperaments, different understandings. And so we need to develop that ability to, you know, we need that wisdom from God, right, to handle these kind of situations. But John, I think something that helped me was, firstly, was not to look at talent first. Because there are many people who are talented and they feel they have a right to be there. They feel that, okay, because I know how to play guitar, now in the whole church, only two of us, two of them know. So because I know how to play, so I have the right to be there, no. They don't have the right to be there. It's not about the talent, but it's about also the character. And so both must be in the line. And I think that's a really long answer. I hope John, that helped you. Yes, I have one more small question. Yes, go ahead. So let's say we give opportunity for one person and due to one genuine reason, they are not able to do it. And after maybe one, one, two months, three months, we give one more opportunity and another genuine reason comes up. So the reasons are quite genuine. But is it a sign or can we still continue to give opportunity? See, John, if the reasons are genuine, you can give them an opportunity again. So for example, if this person is working, he says, no, they're not giving me Sunday off. I keep asking for it, but I have to work. He has to go to work. You can't tell him quit the job. You can't tell him where you talk to your boss. You can ask him, request your boss, but the boss is saying no. So he can't come. He wants to come to church, but he can't. And then another reason could be, and then maybe after three months, he may come and say, you know what? My parents have been asking me to, you know, this happened to me, right? My parents have asked me to come with them to their church. So I have to go with them, but I would love to serve whenever I can in this church. Now these are tricky situations, right? But if they genuinely can't come, it's a genuine reason, right? Parents want them to come. So you give them another opportunity, but then before giving, it'll be good to speak to them, right? And let them know what is volunteering in church means. It's not visiting or guest visitors in church, right? Because volunteering in church is a commitment. And this is a commitment that we have. And so you can probably put forth certain things before you, you know, give them another opportunity. Just put forth something, you know, these are the Sundays. You know, you have to be available these two Sundays or the four. So in example, October, November, December. So these three months, two Sundays each month, you must be available. So you let them know, right? Okay, this is the thing. Now if he still says no, but I'm working, then there's nothing more we can do. And you say, okay, then I can't put you in because you're working. It's a genuine reason. We're not angry with you, not upset with you, but you can't come. Let me know when you can come and we'll put you in, right? But another important thing that we must see is whether they are aligned with the vision of the church, whether they are aligned with, you know, so there are times when, you know, people who can't come on Sunday, they join a life group or they are life group leaders and say, hey, I want somebody to come home and pray or they want to be part of the church in certain events. But if you see a lack of interest in every area, then I would say give some time, right? Even as you give the opportunity, you think about it, you know, you give some time, you see how it is. But it all depends on, you know, your relationship with that person. Even as you continue to, as a pastor of the church, you look at that person, you don't even know what kind of, what's his character, what is his, you know, why he's doing his intentions of coming to church. So you will get to know all of that. So you can give them opportunities, but let them know it's a commitment, right? And it's not like you're rostered and then Sunday morning you say, I can't come. No, that doesn't work, right? Because again, it's going to affect the whole church. So you can probably teach them, train them on importance of volunteering. Yes, thank you. Yes, Rosalind has a question. When a leader is raised by a pastor for nearly four years during this preparation time, if God calls that leader to a different place to minister where he knows nobody and when it is brought to the pastor about his new place and the pastor says no for it, what should the leader do? Obey God or obey pastor? Okay, this is a very, very common thing that happens all across and ministry especially. So you go to a pastor, he chooses a young 20 year old boy or a girl and trains them and then for four to five years they've grown up and now in the ministry, now they're ready to take on a good role in the church. But all of a sudden, this young boy or this young person, youth says, I want to go and start youth ministry in another church, right? Now, what do we do? So there are different ways to look at this. Firstly, now as a pastor, I know how difficult it is when people who are serving faithfully in the church, suddenly they have to move out. And I know how difficult it is. It's very difficult because I remember in church there was this young boy who did everything. One boy, he was from Orissa and he came to Karnataka in Mangalore and he did everything. He would on Saturday evening come, clean up the place, Sunday early morning, open the shed, connect the cables, he would ask me, are you playing guitar or keyboard? I would tell him, okay, connect everything. Put on the laptop, put on the PPT, put on all the songs on the PPT. If there was communion, he would sit alone, one person, right? And after the church, he would clear up everything, take the dustbins, take all the dust, throw it down, just clean up the place, move all the chairs aside, keep the place ready for the next Sunday, right? And eventually he had to go back to Orissa. I was so, you know, I was so sad. You know, not because he's, you know, who's going to do it, but I knew that, you know, he's important to the church, right? He is important, very, very important, right? And he was a faithful leader. In times like this, Rosalind, people may move out, right? Now, this boy went back to his hometown, but there will be times when people move to other ministries. Now, as a pastor, our responsibility, first thing is, our responsibility is to raise up the leaders, right? So we raised up leaders. The choice is up to him or her, right? If he or her feels that if I go to this ministry, I can grow and I can develop myself more. As a pastor, what I would do is I would release him. I would pray for him. I would bless him and I would say, God, thank you for this person. That boy, he has served faithfully and now he's moving to something new or a new opportunity that's come his way. Bless him, continue to use him. May his life be a blessing, right? Now, remember what you have sown in that person's life is never going to go for waste, right? So it's good as a leader to release them. Let them go. Let them do what they want to do. Now, a question that we must ask ourselves also is why you want to leave, right? Is it that I am not providing as a pastor? Am I not providing you with opportunities, right? So for example, this person is very interested in starting a small group. But I keep saying, no, no, no. Now's not the time. Now's not the time. Then he loses interest and he or she feels, you know, if I go there or to this ministry, they are willing to, you know, make me a small group leader. And from a small group leader, I can become another, you know, so he or she's willing to move because there's no opportunity given here. So that is a very important question that we must ask ourselves. So we can ask, you know, before you release the person, you talk to them and say, is there any reason you want to go there? He or she may say, you know, whatever there, I may get this opportunity, right? So what you can do is say, what if we start something in church here and you can, you know, head that ministry? Do you think you'll be able to stay back? And if it's the same thing, most probably they will stay back, right? But if they adamant and say, okay, no, I wanted to look out for another ministry, it's all right, release them, right? Because we are in no place to hold on to people. We should not as leaders, right? We're called to shepherd them. We're called to build them. And then they may move on, right? They may move on. So it's important to obey God more than, you know, pastors there. But even as they move on as a pastor, make sure we do it in the right way. Now, when we look around, we see that, you know, they fight with the pastor and leave. This pastor, I, you know, the main pastor says, this pastor, you know, for 15 years he was with me. I did everything with him in ministry. Now he just, you know, he backstabbed me and went away. It is very sad to see that, right? And I feel that, you know, I tear up because these are things that I've heard. And it's very sad because as 15 years, this person is working in ministry. So as a senior or as a pastor who was with him for 15 years, must be willing to let him go. I can't hold on to him and say, till the end, till I die, you should be with me. I cannot do that. Release and let go. Now, if there's any bitterness or some misunderstandings, do your best to, you know, try to resolve those misunderstandings. But let go. Do not hold on. And it can be difficult, can be painful, but we cannot hold on. The moment we hold on, we're trying to be authoritarian. And then there's no place of forgiveness and it just becomes a very, you know, offensive situation. This pastor is angry with this pastor. And I think I've mentioned this before. We went to a pastor's meeting many, many years back and there were two groups of pastors, you know, they were sitting in different places. And I thought to myself, what's happening? It was so evident. And there was this feeling of something wrong happening. And so I asked the pastor, what's, you know, why don't we all sit together? He said, no, no, no, we don't talk to those pastors. So what happened? And these are, you know, pastors who are their 50s and their 60s been in ministry for so long. So what happened? No, he was in my church and now he left and he went and he started his own church and now he thinks his church is better than mine. And so they were not talking to each other. And I thought to myself, are we building our kingdom or God's kingdom? It's good. He went and he started another church. He's blessing many other lives. Let him do what he has to do. And so we must come out of the mindset, right? Let go. Let go of people. Let them do what they have to do. The best example, not the best example, but a good example would be Apostle Paul, you know, when they were, after they finished their first missionary journey, Paul and Barnabas, you know, they went on their first missionary journey. And in the middle, somewhere in the first missionary journey, Galatia, after they finished Galatia, I forget his name, Mark, John Mark. So John Mark says, I can't come. I can't do this. So Paul gets upset and says, okay, go. You know, I'll go on my own with, you know, takes, chooses, sideless and goes on. But there was a complete separation there. Over a small issue, Barnabas says, let's take Mark. Paul says, never this guy disowned us in the first missionary journey. Such a sharp dispute. They went their separate ways. But Paul does not, you know, we don't see that Paul says, okay, I'm never going to talk. What happens later on? He says, bring Mark. He is helpful for me in my ministry. And he says that in the end, he says, bring John Mark. Bring him here. So most probably, you know, they met together. They met, they did the work again. They continued to minister together. Right. So it was not something that caused division. So, you know, a good book to read would be, let's put that in the chat and get this book online itself. You can download it by an order in the citywide church. And it talks about issues like this, right? What happens when, you know, people move out and how we as leaders must behave. So, but I hope that answers your question, Rosalind. It's good to let go and not hold on to people. Yeah. Okay. Nice. You had a lot of questions. So what we'll do is we'll probably any other questions. Any other questions? Any other thoughts? Okay. So follow up question to Rosalind asked, what if it is from the other perspective? Like we do understand the importance of letting go. But when we look at from the person's perspective, is it okay to switch or continue there itself? How do we? Yeah. Yeah. As leaders, we can only suggest them, right? We cannot force somebody else. So we could just suggest, hey, so if this person is moving to another church and or another ministry and you feel that, you know, he can grow better here or he can, you know, there's more opportunities here. But if they still want to move on, if we have to let go, right? Because we can't force somebody to stay back and then they come and they sit in church and they say pastors asking me to come, you know, we don't want that added and that kind of this thing. We want them to come out of expectancy. And so from their perspective, we can just talk to them, tell them now as leaders, we can just speak into their lives. The moment we try to force or dictate things what we should do, then, you know, I feel it won't be right because it's their choice, right? And so even when we look at what's happening in ministry, many people may move out, many people may come in. And, you know, many times, you know, people say, hey, I want to go here and do ministry or I want to go to this country or I want to go to the village and do ministry. I want to do this and that. So many people have different, you know, callings or different visions in their heart. And so if you feel that this is something that will take them away from their calling, you can talk to them, but then we cannot force them. I feel that, you know, you can do this. And while you're doing this, you can also think about doing the other thing that you're interested in. But again, we can just tell them because the moment we force people and something goes wrong, it comes back to us. Right. And I think there's plenty of examples of, you know, married couples at times, you know, they're like, okay, you're a good proposal and all of that. And then after the marriage, some problem after the pastor said they are working out. Because of that, we got married and now see all the problems you're facing all because of pastor. We don't want those things. So give them the freedom. And of course, you know, God will speak to them. We can't spoon feed people. You have to do this. Give them the option and they can, you know, do it their way. But it's sad to see when, you know, people drift away from ministry or from God. It's sad to see that we can pray for them. Otherwise just talk to them. That's it. That's the most we can do. Yeah. Right. Okay. What we'll do is we'll take a break. We'll come back at 10 o'clock and after that we'll begin with chapter eight. It's good. It's good that we had these questions. It's good that we can discuss and talk about these things. So we look at chapter eight, the restoration of the ministry or the teacher. We'll come back at 11 o'clock. Sorry, that's 10 o'clock. Yeah, sorry. Yeah. Right.