 Thanks for staying with us. Are leaders born or made? Are certain people born with characteristics that make them perfectly suited to guide and inspire? Or do they gain these characteristics through life experiences and delicate guidance? And most importantly, where do these noble leaders lose their way? The Quote of the Day states that a bad system will beat a good person every time. So it's high time that we begin to ask the questions of whether people are corrupting the system or the system is corrupting its people. And if this is the latter, what does it mean for us as future leaders? Now, let's hear what you have to say. Remember, you can join the conversation, send us an SMS or WhatsApp to 081-803-84663 and follow us on all our social media platforms. So you guys heard that really cool line I said about the Quote, right? The system corrupting or so are we corrupting? I mean, it comes to the fact of nature versus nurture, you know. So are we being born with those corruptive personalities or is it the environment that we're being raised up in? Is that what's making us corruptive? You know that word? It's thrown around a lot. In this Nigeria. One day you hear our government is corrupt. The second day or you hear this person is corrupt, that person is corrupt. So we really need to find out what that word corrupt really means. I think also just seeing how used to corruption we are as a country, as you mentioned before, maybe that in itself is what makes the system so corrupt. Expecting the system to be corrupt is what makes you think that, okay, I'm going in here and maybe if I do the bare minimum and I only take a little bit of brass, then I'm doing better than the regular politician. And you know, my mom also speaks a lot about values and how you need to maintain your values and go to a position of power and influence rather than be influenced. So how do you think that you can make those values strong enough and maintain your own sense of individuality, you know, to the point where you are making a positive impact and not just following the regular status quo of being a corrupt politician or a corrupt leader? This thing is deep. It's really deep because whether we choose to admit it or not, all of us, like you said, is Nigeria. There is this gene inside of us that kind of just dictates that, okay, whenever we're presented with the opportunity to take advantage of a situation because of the survival mindset that we've kind of grown up in, we try to always take that opportunity to just take advantage of someone, like any little thing you can do to get by, like on the road. Oh Jesus. Actually, that's true. It may not look like it relates now, but then trust me, as you're going back home from the sets today, just watch. It doesn't even have to be watched out. That's the funny part. You could be going home until like 12 midnight and then just like you have a couple other cars on the road and then there's a red light that's about, sorry, there's a green light that's about to turn red, just because someone cannot wait 10 seconds when they realize it's going back to green, they're zooming past. And then in that wake of extreme adrenaline, that's when accidents happen. And then people try to like say that, okay, it's not my fault. I don't have to take responsibility for this because my circumstances were different. Everybody's circumstances are different. So if we do not decide now as people that whatever the situation is, however bad the country gets, however high the foreign exchange rate goes, we are not going to be corrodes. And there's no other way we can fix it. 100%. Like definitely if we circle back to if it's the environment that you're raised up in, now what affects your environment? Your influencers, models, those people that run your neighbors, the person downstairs. Like everybody has an impact on how you're growing, how you're living your life, the environment that you're in. So if you are raised up in a house where your dad is corrupt, your grandfather is corrupt, your uncle is corrupt, your father's father is corrupt, obviously one would now say that person will grow up to become corrupt. But if that individual is now taken away from that environment, based up in a good moral household with people who have good values, does that person now mirror the environment that they've been placed in, or they go back to their personality that they were born in their natural ways? 100%. Do you have anything to add for us? Because if you are operating a system that does not reward domestic and rewards corruption, then I see why people on the individual level on the microscale would be more likely to lean towards being corrupt, because the situation is set upon great dishonesty and corruption. Then why would anyone want to follow and work hard and lay hard? So lean based on principle, the principalism of those who pay the bills or allow any sort of upward mobility. So that's why I have a more empathetic approach. As much as I'd like to be holistic and think that we should all not be corrupt, I mean obviously that's what's, you know, I, that's what I support. I think we need to look at the more structural stuff as well, and work on making more man's I 100% agree with that. And like, since you spoke about the empathetic approach, I really resonate with that one because let's even just dive back to primary school and secondary school since this is a teen's takeover, right? You know, it's even like award ceremonies and you know, you see this person getting awards every single time because their parents are extra nice to their teachers and it starts from this. That's what I'm saying. It's different if you're getting it like, it's different if it's some kind of like meritocracy or, but then like, if it's actually like just your parents coming at being extra nice teachers or your parents just bringing like these fabrics, I mean like, oh, you know, just let's do something. People don't realize, but this is how it started. So then when you are in a society that rewards corruption, then how else are you actually going to want to do anything otherwise? That's why we have to take our educational system accountable. Like schools can definitely help younger people to learn how to be a greater person. Like there's no way that every school has a merit rulebook or anything. So you get awarded for doing good things and you get punished for doing bad things. Exactly. So why is this that if we're really implementing these rules, why are people coming out of secondary school and behaving exactly like our leaders 100 percent? What you were saying about the educational system, I actually have something that would like to add to that. When we hear education, because of the situation that all of us have grown up in, right, the Gen Z as we like to call it, first in the cluster ahead is what school, right? Because education has been associated with the formal aspect of it and we've completely neglected the informal aspect of it. The problem with this now is the fact that if you check every single teenager's phone or tablet or whatever device they use, a couple of these apps are most likely to be found on the TikTok number one, Instagram number two, Snapchat number three. And then on all of these apps, like you said before, influencers. So we have completely neglected the fact that those influencers actually have so much to add in terms of their educational value to these people. And what is so sad is the fact that these people that created these platforms, right, the owners of the TikTok of the Facebook of the Instagram or whatever, there is no direct sort of verifying mechanism that they can use to determine whether or not this thing is wholesome for a child to consume. So it's like when people, wow, every single day I'm guilty. Every single day I sit and allow for myself because I thought that I could escape it, I thought I could break the matrix. But then I'll start scrolling and before I know it, you'll hit your one hour daily limit on TikTok. Press this passcode to continue. I'm lucky because my 4u page is filled with things that are actually teaching me because like I'm trying to prepare for university. So my 4u page is telling me how to get ready for college and all of that. But then not every teenager's 4u page is like that. And then all of those things are educating them and teaching them more about what they live in. So if they are living in that virtual reality or that virtual version of reality, and then they're now supposed to be held accountable for whether or not they develop values that will prevent them from being corrupt, how does that even work in the first place? Yeah, like going back to what we were saying, anyone that holds a phone in front of their face, they're an influencer. Automatically. The moment I say my word. You just do this. Hey guys, welcome to my YouTube channel. But to take this dream and just post it and then if it gets enough likes or comments whatever, automatically I'm important for posting a dream. And it doesn't matter, you could do, I wouldn't say the stupidest things on your phone, on camera. And if it gains enough traction, everyone is doing that. Everyone is doing it. So you control the narrative from the most absurd of perspectives. None of which I even get towards trying to help a country get out of the mess that's in currently. So. Recognize your platform. Recognize the power that you hold as an influencer. Because you have such a big platform to enable children, people that are watching you, to make them grow, to make them like the best versions of themselves. And some people are misusing that platform that they're on. And it's something that people need to get account, like they need to get accounts. I like to read the message. It says, good evening. My name is Somi. Hi, Somi. I believe the system breads corruption. And then we may choose to be better or to have integrity, but the system doesn't give you a chance. I love that. Thank you, Somi. The system doesn't give you a chance to survive. The system has to work for the people. And that's the only way we'll be able to be held accountable. God bless you for this. But do you see the loop now? Because it's like the system is corrupting its people, but we corrupted the system. So now for the people to still be corrupted, we need to like make the system less corrupt. So it's still in our hands, no matter how much we try and like relieve the blame at the end of the day. Yes, it can't really pass the blame to anyone else. So that's why I think that's even the reason why we are the ones doing this. Because, you know, first of all, Nigeria is bottom heavy. If you check the statistics, I think it's about 20, how many percent of people that's like over 40 percent of people that are Nigerians are below the age of 25. So it's like when you have that many people in that age demographic, you have to start teaching them these things from young. So I guess that's why we are the ones doing this. Because they won't hear it from people like my mom and my friends. So I'd love for us to answer the question, once and for all, is corruption born or bred after this short break that we're about to take? See you shortly. If you are just tuned in, we are discussing the feasibility of molding moral leaders and whether corruption is born or bred. Remember, you can join the conversation by sending us an SMS or WhatsApp to 081-803-84663. And because it's a special, the phone line is going to be open all week. So you can call us on 070-2500-7749. If you call, please remember to turn down the volume of the device so we don't get any feedback. Ziz, are you there? I'm here. Yeah, so we'd love to hear your two cents of what we're talking about before the break. So I was especially interested in what Alpha was saying in relation to Gen Z and our role in all this. My take on Gen Z in relation to corruption and how the own businesses are partly on us to correct the system that doesn't benefit us is the fact that Gen Z and Gen Z are just a lot of generations in Nigeria. From birth, we've talked about this idea of success being a table through hard work. It's able to school, see, get a degree, work hard, and then you're going to be able to achieve some sort of upward mobility or some sort of success. But the side reality is that work ethic and getting a lot of qualification and still doesn't achieve you any sort of success, especially in this country. For example, you'll be like a graduate. People have graduate degrees and are still working as cashiers or other jobs that concept on school labor. So I think if somebody goes to university, they get a degree. They're looking for jobs. Because the job market right now is really, really awful here, even for people who are about to qualify for the jobs. Why wouldn't they then go and do Yahoo! or 419 as we call it? Because they are doing everything to get to the system, but the system isn't right. So how are they meant to operate within that system? And even if they want to operate from a basis of principle, principle isn't going to pay their bills. Integrity is not going to put food on their table. And so it's all about making sure that there are ethical ways for people to be able to take care of themselves. So we can now start focusing on individual integrity. Because a lot of people would love to make money in legal, respectable ways. You know, a lot of people would end up looking to be doctors, nurses. But if you go through like eight years of school and they're not going to be a doctor, they are ending minimum wage, like a government hospital, then a lot of people feel let down by things like that. And in relation to Gen Z, do you use a longer example? If you're in an exam at home and for some of my vegetables exist, you're very strict. If everyone around you is discussing answers, and I mean like it's completely free for all. Everybody is just talking, exchanging answers. You're not going to want to write a book about yourself, and then now possibly get a lower score than everybody else who is conversing around you. Because those people who are around you, they're going to likely get higher scores. They're like, you know, discussing their answers together. And they'll probably get higher grades. And even though you want to choose integrity, you still may feel a little conflicted because other people are going to perform better than you, and nothing is likely going to happen to them. At the end of the day, you may have chosen integrity, but on your report, they're going to say, oh, she filled her exam, but at least she was on it. So just say she filled her exam. So I think that's like another example that will be more relevant to younger audiences. I sincerely, I agree with you guys like completely. And then even to add to that, my dad just sent me a message. And it says, everything begins with the seed. Even corruption was once a seed. Someone planted it and someone nurtured it. So I'm going to focus on the aspects of nurturing in the sense that I'm going to dial it back in terms of age and take it all the way to the beginning when you're young. So you guys know we're just going to race from secondary school and all of that. You're an ALA. And then for people like us, we're just like, see how the future is going to work out for us. We're trying to, all of us want to make money, want to find ways to make it in life and all of that. And then what is now saying about finding ethical ways to actually be able to sustain yourself and make a good living? The problem is that in Nigeria, there is this complex. I'm not sure if you have noticed it that the youth is not like maybe psychologically or mentally or academically capable of actually starting professional things on their own. Let me give you an instance. There was a time I was on the third main land bridge and then I and my dad were just driving. That's me and him. And then I dressed well because why won't I dress well? And then we got stopped over by one of these road safety guys and this guy nudged me with his gun and told me to get out the car. And in my head, I was like, what is going on? They apparently, when they asked me some questions about my name, what's my school, and because they knew my school and because of my school's reputation, they like, let's me and him go. So it's open the top of the car searches and we're just just two guys in the car. And apparently what my dad thought, what my dad explained to me was that what these guys usually think is that when they see someone that looks like me in this youth category, and they are just like in a car by themselves, they thought that he was the Uber driver. And I was a Yahoo boy because maybe I dressed. And then I now went and I thought about if I had just by mistake, let's say I wanted to do work that day, I'm carrying my laptop. That's game. I would have been taking to the station. So it's like, when there is that kind of stereotype that people like us can't do anything, it's about going widespread. How do you not expect us to even try to give the ethical way, the benefits of it, the first place. That's why most of us, okay, now you're finding different influencing as number one way, but then there's still all the Yahoo, the flow and you know, so everybody is like trying to go towards those other ways because first of all, not just the fact that there are no opportunities in the professional sectors, but then because there is so much, there's so much stereotype in Nigeria, like there is like the judgment is just too much. How are you supposed to make it if you're this young and you actually have big dreams, whether you're living in a situation like this? Yeah, because especially at our age, we're looked down upon a lot. Let's say I have an idea like, oh, I want to start a business in baking or something, you know, a sector that's not really looked towards. Yes. A lot of the elders will be like, why do you want to do baking? Go and finish your school. Go and do engineering. I want you to finish school. Which is absolutely insane. Because we as a community, we think, oh, we've passed that. Yeah, nobody is still saying that. That's what we think, but it's still there. It's still very much around us. So it's very discouraging. So once you hear one person say, oh, you can't do that, another person say, oh, you can't do that, then enough of the thing of, okay, fine, everyone assume it. I can't do this. And then the thing is that we live in such a glamorous society. When you look at Nigerians, Nigerians know how to enjoy life. I feel like that's just like generally known. If you see the weddings, you see the old Wambas. That's just making it obvious. So it's like, everybody is telling you, get up, make moves, you know, get some money, buy a new car. And then all you want to do is get money quick. Nobody really cares about how ethical you are. I feel like morality just isn't rewarded. Like, as they said before, morality just isn't rewarded in Nigeria anymore. You understand what I mean? So it's like, nobody is really looking at getting money through helping people or getting money through doing something extremely productive. And that's just really just breathing more corruption. All right. Any calls? Yeah, so I have a comment for you. Okay, so refreshing to see young people sharing very insightful perspectives. Great job. Thank you. I'm not really sure who said that. But we're really grateful. Yeah, so it's just bringing out the Gen Z and allowing us to speak on things like this. So circling back to corruption and stuff, you were saying that we'll have the people blaming the system, the system blaming the people. But you also have to understand, like, if we have a figurehead, a spokesperson that we're always blaming, oh, let's say, for example, Yasmin is leading some Yasmin's group, Yasmin's this, Yasmin's that. But then you also have to look at the people around Yasmin. They're probably the ones making the moves. They're doing the tactics. They're doing everything. Yet Yasmin's the one who sits in front of the camera and says, Hi, guys. This is what I've been told to say. So it's really how we're going to educate and change the narrative around the people around us. That's why it's very important. My mom always tells me, you have to choose your friends. Like, look at your friends and you know who I am. So definitely. Yeah, I think I actually agree with that. Because, you know, there can be a situation and let's say a policeman, right, stops you on the road and then the guys ask you for that something for the boys. After you finish giving him whatever something you're able to give him, you're then muttering in your car as you're driving off complaining about how Sinubu is not doing anything. But then Sinubu knows that policeman. Exactly. The system is so layered that if we actually do not deconstruct this first, before we start putting blame on someone that's at the top, we're really not doing anything. Exactly. And it starts from a very nuclear level, starting with instilling positive values within your families. And then like we also came and related it to school, everything. Everybody thinks that when we talk about the system corrupting people, we're talking about just political systems and like, oh, I'm a good man, I'm coming to be president, and then all of a sudden I'm corrupt. That's just not how it works. Because that's why you see a lot of, especially our parents' generation sending their kids out. There's no way that one wants to build their children up in Nigeria because of the education system we're well known for. Like, you're here instilling bad values in children, even though you do want to. We're aware that teacher salaries are not the best, but that does not mean that you should now make another child suffer from your losses. Do you understand? So there's no way because you have, you should bring up that child to be able to come back and lead our country so that you can get a better salary. It's not because you're having a bad salary that you're not going to make this child suffer to get here. Because all of it just goes to show that circumstance is a very vital factor that has played all of this. Because if we want to, there was this book I was reading here, the book is called Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell, I think. Yeah, and then essentially in the book all it's saying is that for you to be a successful person, it's not really about how talented you are. And sometimes it's not even about how much dedication and hard work you have put into it. There is that vital factor of circumstance. If you ask Bill Gates now how he built everything that he has built, how he got the name that he has today, he will tell you that he was just the luckiest person in the world. And to be very honest, he was because all of the things, all of the situations that unfolded in his lifetime were unique to a very specific set of people. Within that Bill Gates timeline where he was born, people like Steve Jobs, Bill Joyce, Steve Wozniak were born within that same period because the American economy provided certain opportunities for them at that particular point in time. So if you try to just blame it on the fact that you're not willing to work or you're not willing to put in the effort to achieve what you want in terms of can't see now corruption, then you'll be wrong. Because the circumstance that we, like for example, three of us now, the reason why we are able to have this conversation sitting down here today is because first of all, we've been friends since, like, how old? And then it's like first we have that kind of relationship with ourselves, we have that connection and our parents also have, like they did right to morally guide us, to be able to speak in front of you guys today. So it's really just the factor of everything. So just to simplify everything, let's just answer this question. Is corruption born or bred? Like that's what the fingers are pointing. To be a great person. All right, so I have a comment from Jayden O and the comment says, I think Nigerians of this current generation have adapted to the society and learned how to make a living for themselves. However their living may be. We all know that we as Nigerians, we are hustlers and in our own way, they're making a living for themselves. And this country as a whole has become a breeding ground for corruption as the righteous path paths to wealth are faced with many difficulties and challenges. Good work guys. That's honestly just summing everything up really perfectly put. And Yasmin, I think this one is directed at you. Interesting conversation and great perspectives. You guys are vocal and exceptionally brilliant. Well done. The anchor is a natural. Thank you. From MC. Thank you, MC. Okay, so now that you've answered the, wait, is this, is corruption born or bred? Is this just A-16? Yeah, we need to hear my, okay. So to sum up, I think, I believe that corruption is definitely bred. I don't think anyone is, you know what, I'm going to say Swindler, like I don't think anybody's one of that sort of like innate personality traits. I think due to economic circumstances and may some prior biological predispositions, people may be pushed to now indulge in a system that rewards corruption, because not only is Mars seems rewarded in the area, it is barely, I think that's where the corruption is going to flow. So we have another two messages from Mr. Seydou Bosharu. I'd like to mention the social media influence on our young population. It should be used to swerve our young minds towards this positive mindset and realizing that when you add value, you're rewarded. Another one says, if you can't build it, if you can't earn it or work for it, early option is to get it, is through corrupt ways, period. Okay, period. And as Seydou as it may sound, that is the reality that we're facing. But I do have a question again. To make this conversation more solution driven, since we have come to the conclusion that corruption is bred, does that automatically mean that people that have done very questionable things can just be like, it's not my fault. Like, listen, I've had a really tough life. I'm allowed to do bad things because... When we sort of understand that our circumstances support that this question applies to every single arena exists, let me explain how. When you try to understand the circumstances around you, you then realize that you have every right to absolve yourself of all blame. That's what people have decided to do. They have decided to just say, okay, fine, this is not my fault, it's the fault of the system. And they forget that they are the system. 100%. There's no I was born in a bad home. That bad home that you thought you were born into, you were a part of. So we have a caller right now. Good evening. Good evening. Hi. Speaking left and right to the Gen Zs. Oh. I think that's interesting. That's really amazing. However, the word corruption is born or bred. Realize the new language for you guys who, but who have to fall in. We don't have options. As a younger foot man, some of your words I haven't had for me to digest. But you come with some new slants that we didn't grow with. Whether it's what you have to survive, because I remember at home I used to see some of the texts and the other things the kids do. And I have to add, there was the meaning of this one. You see like L-O-M-L-L-O-O, something, something, something. And you guys are too fast for our liking. However, let me indulge into today's topic. You see, just like the lady said that corruption is bred. I just have to believe her and I agree with her 100%. Because to most parents, they do some things and they wouldn't do it in front of the little ones just to get a peak one and make things easy for them. Even through the phone, they have phone calls. You see somebody literally sitting down in the living room and you tell me I'm on bike, I'm on my way, I'm almost there. That brings the idea that I'm easy way out. And you see most parents, they go to the school, they pay for their kids to pass things, they pay for their kids to get some position. They won't love it. And these kids hear them talk about it with more and more and discuss about this, how can make her aim, get this. Now they have that feeling that there's another way out. There was one example that just happened. That example, I told my daughter that look, you guys just got your way free because you never read. You see somebody on Tiktok on the day of exams because they believe that the parents must have done what they need to do for them. So all these things is being bred on them. And when we keep on coming up like this, these kids come up like this, they want to look for other ways to make things easy. In our days it's not like this. Seriously, in our days it's not like this. I just hope that this generation will be able to survive what is coming ahead because you have to have money, you have to know somebody to survive in this country. And I don't really know if 60% of the Gen Z's have such opportunities because it's now a general collection. You understand me now? You have to know what to do. And even those that try to be holy in the sense of holy, they will see you like a Jew guy, this one never know what's in the happen. If you don't know what to do, you have to be hard on the Tiktok. Why are you like this? And the person will just be looking like one alien because that is the order of the day. You have to do what everybody is doing to survive and exist. So I don't know, I pity this generation. No, you guys are in a tough one. But I hope God will see you guys too. But for me, it's bred and I blame mostly the parents and the society in general because there's no enabling environment. Everything is corrupt. Everything. I'm sorry to say this. Even in the churches, people love people positions. And these kids see them do it. They hear them do it. Because it's in and out here. We parents, we think these kids don't hear our discussion. Seriously, they listen. They listen seriously and they hear everything. So basically, I just hope you guys are your so much. Thank you so much. You're a guest old man from Lagos. And that's everything. Traveling. I'm telling you, that office. Listen, no. It's actually it's actually help. But then like, you know, I have like this connection. And that's like the only way life can even be remotely sensible for you. But like, again, in the sense of being solution driven and not having like a defeatist mentality. How do we prevent people from using this as an excuse? Because my mom always says we shouldn't place ourselves in a position of effect. And you know, we should be causes of positive change. So how do you guys propose that? You know, we can't prevent people from having parents that do bad things on the download. We really can't. How do we make more moral leaders? I think Aniola shares your points of view. She says, good conversation, ladies and gentlemen. This is Aniola. How do you think that we can reduce corruption in our society? So she's essentially asking more or less the same questions you're asking. And then, first of all, youngest man, youngest old man from Lagos. You know, you said that corruption is everywhere. I agree with you. Sincerely speaking. But then if we are going to be solution driven, we have to first understand that as the youth, we are the ones that are responsible for this. Right? So it's not a lost cause. Let's get it through our heads now. Because you may see it this way, because you have been born, you have been bred and you have been, you have suffered under the system. For us, we have been privileged to at least just be relatively new. So our minds are still sort of moldable. What we can do is that as we are here representing the gen Z of our society, we should try to do more things like this. Try to talk to people and try to get the message out there that this thing is really not worth it. Because if you can do it from now, eventually we're going to be grandparents and grandparents and our children and our children's children will learn from us whether you like it or not. Because they will be listening to those conversations that you said that they would, that we thought they won't be able to listen to naturally. So essentially, if we can get it right from now, from this age right now, and I think it's actually a problem that can genuinely be solved. Yeah. So we have to look back on how to change the narrative, how to hold ourselves accountable and everything like that. Like we all have to be able to sit, like put stamp of foot down and say, okay, no, we're going to stop history from repeating itself. We're going to become better people. We're going to try and say no when we are stopped by the policeman on the road or what's it called, you know, all those type of things that come up. And we just really have to say that we also have to go back to our educational system, like are teachers there to earn a salary or are they there to impact a child's life? Are they there to change that person's life? Yeah. So Yasmin, I think you have a comment for us. Yes, it says reduce corruption by forming a group that makes one another accountable no matter how small and cruel it is. I'm going to try to see if I could tell you this to what you are saying about like teaching. Yes. I recently founded a, well I started an initiative called Talent Speaks, right? And then me, I wrote a book about talent when I was 10. So I've been obsessed with this thing like for a while now. And then I've just like tried to at least bring out those hidden gifts and skills that people have and just try to help them to display to our status like this. So essentially what we are doing, if not for the fact that it was ways that organized it, I would have loved to be the one to come up with something like this. Essentially if we can put more people like us on stages like this, automatically they will become accountable because they will now be responsible for their own growth and success as a person from as young as they are. So once you begin to do that, the idea of corruption isn't if you remotely close to them with your hand because they realize that they're becoming a shot at something truly great. It's not everybody that wants to be that young boy. They're only that young boy because they really certainly know what they want to be. So if we are creating options for them through this and through platforms like Talent Speaks, like Waze and many of us, we will be able to change that narrative. Yeah, definitely. This is what you're saying. How do we stop corruption? So I definitely agree that everything with the corruption is, corruption just seems to be ever present and very important to us. But I think that primarily I think honestly needs to start with legislation because as much as us as individuals wants to try and make a change for ourselves, there are lots of people who are in less, let me say, sustainable or privileged conditions wherein being honest is not even like a viable living choice. It's either like you be corrupt or you don't eat. So I think that in terms of, I think we start from the top, I think we need to start from legislation. As you guys were talking about, you know, checks and balances. I think that's a very important first step because, for example, we'll talk about us not wanting to bribe policemen and things of that nature. But when you don't think about the way that the government handled corruption between, corruption within the SARS police force, that's kind of disheartening because we all know that corruption was going on within, you know, the SARS police of this scheme. However, we all believe that the government handled that satisfactorily. Thank you so much. So I'm so sorry that we couldn't take some calls, but before we go, do ensure you follow us on Instagram and Spotify as Way Show Africa. You can interact with us further, drop a comment and most importantly, follow all our social media engagements. 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