 I don't get anything wrong. Tuna? Yeah. Why the hell is tuna not haram? They get dragged out the ocean by their face and suffocate to death. I'm not sure what tuna is. Yeah, fish feel pain and suffer. So if you're eating a fish. The fish I was talking with made for fishing. Is this fish I made for fishing? Yeah. This is eggs. I don't eat eggs. Do you know why they do that? To eat them. No, no, no. They kill the males, turn them into pet food, because they don't like eggs. So when they hatch, they separate the females, they keep them, because they'll give them eggs. The males, they just put it around. I don't eat eggs or chicken. Really, what's that? I just don't like chicken. I eat meat, but not eggs or chicken. Because you eat lambs, and you eat cows, and, uh, OK. Yeah, we're asking people not to, because of. I try not to do as much. Are you against animal cruelty? Not as much. I'm against it. I don't think people should be eating too much of it. They should still be. Yeah, just to, but you would, you don't think people. I still have it as a protein sometimes. You think it's crawler slaughter animals? Well, they're made to be eaten to be fair. Yeah? If they're meant to be eaten, why do they feel pain and suffer and want to live and all of that? Well, that was a joke in the beginning. That's how God put it. You reckon? Yeah. What about plants? Do you think, what about plants? Do you think they're more likely to be? Yeah, like, plant foods are fruits and vegetables and grains. Yeah, they're eating as well. Yeah, they don't suffer, they don't want to live, they don't feel pain. Yeah, true. Makes more sense to, if you do. Yeah, we still need protein with it. Yeah, do you think you can get protein from plants? You can, but not everyone will eat plants every day. Like, if someone eats plants every day, they'll get bored. Really? Yeah. There's thousands of different plant foods, and most of the food you probably eat. Eat vegan. Yeah. Do you eat cheese? Yeah, yeah, vegan cheese. Yeah, so, yeah, like, you can just swap your dairy for vegan cheese or plant milk or vegan yoga. They don't drink milk. Yeah, I just drink plant milk. So either oat milk or soy milk or rice milk or almond milk. I like oat milk myself. And I eat Subway, you know, Pizza Hut vegan option. Greg's have got vegan sausage roll, and I just don't use animals, man. I think it's cruel. I wouldn't want to hurt a dog. I just live my life without trying my best to not cause them suffering, you know? What do you think of that? It's good. It's good. It's everything. Yeah, but what do you think about animal cruelty and just in, it's not a good day? So, like, if you see me here attacking a dog, right, and I said to you, no, it's OK. I'm going to eat them because we need protein and we've been doing it for thousands of years. You should probably tell me you're crazy. There's no other meat. You have to eat a dog if there's no other meat. Dogs are not made for it. Do you have to eat a pig? In my religion. Do you have to eat a lamb? I mean, you don't probably don't eat pigs. A lot of people don't. But we believe in my religion. If there's no thingy, look at the e-pigs. If there's no meat. What are you, a Muslim? Yeah, it doesn't tell you you have to eat animals as a Muslim. I know it doesn't, but it's in the sun now. Yeah, but it doesn't say Allah says you must to be a Muslim. Every animal is made for some kind of chicken. It's made for pig. It still makes for reason, because medicine is shit. But it isn't pig's haram? It's haram, but it's made for medicine. It's not made for be eaten, because pigs, but we say pigs are dirty. Like, they eat the wrong shit and they do that. Well, I don't understand. I personally think, like, well, as a Muslim, I know plenty of vegan Muslims, you don't have to eat animals. God doesn't say that it's haram not to eat animals. It's not haram that's not to eat animals, but God advised to eat it. OK, and do you feel like if the animal has suffered that that would be haram? Yeah, if the animal has suffered, yeah. So do you follow the animals to the slaughterhouse from the farm, you know, exactly what's happening to them? Yeah. Do you? Yeah, if you go to a Muslim country, they all do it. So, but do you know where your animals are coming from here when you eat them? No, not here. So you don't know that they haven't suffered? No, but we believe, like, you know, the butchers, we believe that they know where they're thinking, where they're coming from. So we believe in the butchers. That's the butchers doing something wrong. That's up to them. But the butchers, like, our butchers contact the farm. The butchers, they say that we want them treated differently. But even when they get killed, we get killed the right way. Not, like, throw them in the thingy. We, like, when we say a Muslim animal... So you don't actually know, do you? You don't actually know when you eat an animal, when you eat flesh, you don't actually know they haven't suffered. No, we believe in the butchers. Like, the butchers, they have special farms, the special thing. They buy from special people, from special... They wouldn't let it kill like that. Like, the butchers will kill it themselves. They go to the farm, kill themselves in the thingy. Yeah, but do you know that? Like, let's just say, when you're eating out... I just saw butchers. You trust your butcher? Yes. Do you ever eat animals from your butcher? Never out? Yeah, never out. I don't know where they're... Like, if I go to a restaurant, I don't know where that meat is coming from. Yeah, exactly. But, like, if you've got a choice to cut an animal's head off or to eat plants, what do you think's the more ethical option? I think the... To the animal's head off. Is more ethical than eating plants? I don't think... I don't think you need to eat plants. Like, you have to change it in your life. Yeah, I mean, like, look, if you've got an option to not cut an animal's head off... You ate an animal. November 2013. What made you stop? I think it's cruel and abusive just to stab someone in the throat because I want to eat their dead body. I don't think that... I need... I don't need to. I'm not trying to survive. We've got plant-based options. Listen, listen. There's no plants on this earth. Okay, well, there is. So, I don't have to worry about it. Listen, listen, there's no plants. I might even eat you if I was, you know, survive if I was going to die. So, would you die in humour if you ate an animal? No, well, if I had no choice and there was no animals, I'd probably try to eat you. Listen, listen, there was humans and animals, but there was no plants at all. Yeah, I'd probably eat a chicken. I don't know if I was going to die. I might even eat someone I don't like over the chicken. I might let the chicken survive. That's what we said to pigs. Like, if there's nothing else to eat, then pigs have to be eaten. Yeah, yeah, but we've got plants. So, what's the point of what we're doing to them? So, it all depends on what you believe in. Where do you believe you go when you die? Heaven? Yeah, heaven. Okay, do you think there are slaughterhouses in heaven, cutting animals' heads off? No, nothing, nothing. I don't know about the subject, but I think there's already meat there. You don't need to put animals. Yeah. There'll be animals there, but birds and everything. Was it Muhammad nice to animals, Muhammad? Really? In the stories of Muhammad, he was kind to animals, yeah? Kind to a kid. I think it was a kitten in one of the stories. Yeah, so like, Muhammad has a choice if you believe Muhammad is compassionate Muhammad has a choice cutting animals' head off? He wouldn't eat kids. Sorry? He wouldn't eat kids. No, I'm just saying he was generally kind to animals, yeah? Yeah. But Prophet Muhammad, he ate animals as well. I'm proposing a question if he had a choice, but maybe no choice back then, but he has a choice now. He didn't have to. He didn't have to. The Islam was very rich at the time. He could have ate anything he wants, but he wanted to eat animals. It's not a bad thing. It's not, it's not haram. God made animals to be eaten. Okay, well, let's stick there. God made animals to be eaten. Yeah. Then why did he make them to feel pain, suffer and want to live? What do you mean? Well, animals can... Animal suffers. Yeah, but... You think plants can suffer? You think a tomato can suffer? I don't know how they're feeling. Yeah, plants don't have feelings, okay? So if God made plants not to have feelings and animals to have feelings... God made plants and made animals as well. They're both to be eaten. Yeah, but I was just wondering, like, so if one has feelings, animals have feelings, why did he make them with feelings? I don't know. Well, that's a pretty silly thing to do. If they were meant to be food, why don't you just make them not be able to feel pain? I'm not herself with that question. Well, bro, I'm just saying, like, it makes more logical sense that he made plants, fruits, vegetables, nuts, grains, legumes. Yeah. Okay? And I've heard before, I don't know, the story of Garden Eden, I know that Garden Eden was vegan, no animals were being butchered and killed. I mean, if God, if you believe that God gave you this loophole where if you do it a certain way, it's possible, but we've also got the choice not to do it as well. Yeah. And that you still can be a good Muslim. Like what? Yeah, there's videos like yours on right now. Yeah. They're cruel. I against it as well. But in Islam, we treat it differently. We don't treat it like that. Have you ever been to a Muslim country? Well, you're not in a Muslim country. You're in England. Have you ever been to a Muslim country? No, I haven't. No, I haven't, but you're not in a Muslim country. Let's say you go to any Muslim country right now, yeah? Yeah. You go there, you go see how they treat animals. You go to the farms, you go to the anywhere you want, yeah? You go see how they treat. We don't treat them like that. Even when we eat it here, we don't eat them like that. But you're in the UK, so I'm very familiar with you. But our butchers, they don't do this to them. The butchers have got nothing to do with the farm. No, the butchers, no, the farms. They have special treatments. So I was at a Halau slaughterhouse the other day where they're slaughtering chickens. The chicken, 95% of the chickens in the UK, or higher, are factory farmed. So they would say that that's Halau. So they were, no, no, 100%. This comes down to a debate, Sunni and Shia. Sunni and Shia. This comes down to that debate because those Shia, we have different farms, different, if you want, I'll give you an address on the long side. You go speak to them. You go see how we treat them. We treat animals. So you're telling me when you're out and about, you will only go... Even if the, let's say, a cow is sick, we're not allowed to eat it. We have to have a healthy cow. Because the sick cows... So who is eating all of this Halau meat that are coming from factory farms? It all depends. Look, who's eating that? There's two sectors. There's two sectors of Islam. Our sectors, like Shia sectors, we've got to eat something else. Like, we have our own butchers, our own farms, our own everything. Like, you probably want to a Sunni one. Like, you said 95%, but we don't have that. Have you ever been to one of these farms? No. In the UK? So how do you know? Because my butchers told me. It doesn't matter. The butcher can tell you anything. No, because we're not allowed to lie in our religion. It doesn't mean Muslims don't lie. Maybe he tells you, maybe he doesn't know himself. In our religion, the industry tells the public here that this is humane. And then people don't look into it till we go look into it. I'm not sure. Yeah. And how do you think they kill the chickens? They put their head up. They slit their throat? Yeah. So how many think they're doing a day? Thousands? Thousands. Yeah. So they can do that all very clean, quick? Yeah. But you're never going to run out of chicken. They're always going to be reproduced chickens. They kill chickens. That's how we've been living thousands of years now. Do you think if I grab a... What type of animal is... What type of animal is Haramti a dog? A dog's Haramti, a cat's Haramti, a fox's Haramti, a pig's Haramti. A lot of animals are Haramti. Okay. So what about a... Some fish animals as well. I would not show you a shark, I think. So what type of species? Let's think of the species. I'm not sure. And a kangaroo. Kangaroo, Haramti. Yeah. How do you know? Because I've looked into it. So there's only five animals that you're allowed to eat as a Muslim? Not really. We could eat pigeons, chicken, meat, like, lamb, cow meat, like, sheep... What about a squirrel? No, I don't think so. I'm not really sure for a lot to eat squirrel, but I don't think any Muslims ever do that. Do you think as long as... So basically, you base all of your morals on only whether or not it's, you know, passable in your religion. You don't look outside of that and go, well, wait a second, this animal's feeling pain, they're going to suffer. They might... If the animal's suffering, we're not allowed to eat animal religion, just to make up. So when you get a sharp knife and slash it across your throat, do you think that you would suffer? Suffer for a few seconds and that's all. Okay, well, wait a second. You just admitted that they'll suffer for a few seconds. Yeah, obviously. So if you can avoid that few... Any animal if you put it inside of the foot, it's going to suffer. If I cut your head right now, you would choke on your blood. Yeah, exactly. You would feel the pain of me cutting through your nerves. Exactly. Have you ever cut your finger? Yeah, there's nerves. Well, there's nerves in your finger. There's nerves in your neck. So basically, you're going to choke on your blood and then you're going to die. That's what animals are made for. So if the animal suffers, they are haram. No, not really. But that's what they're made for. But you just said that, though. That's what they're made for. If they're suffering before they're dead, like... The meat, the meat, they're not allowed to eat it. Well, if they're suffering, like, after they die, that's obviously, after you've put it in my eyes, a sheep getting killed. They'll suffer for 10 seconds and they'll die. Well, they suffer. Yeah. So why would you cause that suffering when you can eat plants? Well, not everyone wants to eat plants. Yeah, but I'm just asking, what about the suffering? If suffering is haram and you can avoid that, why not eat a plant based and still be a good Muslim? No, because... If someone eats plants all their life, they'll get bored. I've seen a lot of vegans before, changed from vegans. I never get bored. Have you seen vegan food, dude? Have you seen what we've got? We've got chocolate, we've got burgers, we've got fries, we've got whatever we want. I never get bored. I've got to watch how they get fat. Yeah. We've got cupcakes and donuts and cream filled. Yeah. Everything. It's just made of plants. Do you eat dairy? No, yeah. How do you... Dairy's haram. How's haram? Suffering. The dairy industry is haram. If you care about suffering, they take away their calves. I'm saying, I'm saying, we care about suffering before we kill them. It's a healthy animal. If we kill them in the name of God, that's not haram because we kill them in the name of God to be eaten. That's what God made it for. That's what I mean. But if the animal is suffering, like an ill animal, we're not allowed to eat that. You eat dairy, it's a product of horrific suffering. The dairy industry... I'm not sure how dairy is made. Yeah, well, I know a lot about it. So I can tell you, they forcibly impregnate the female animal and stick the fist in their arse, put the pipette full of bull semen when they become pregnant. After nine months, they take the calf away because the calf will drink the milk. Then they enslave them for their milk and take the milk away. They kill the boys if they're born a boy. They kill them because they're just a waste product in the dairy industry. You're so right now. This is the boggum. This will never happen in a Muslim butcher or Muslim butcher. I've seen Halal slaughter for... I've seen many instances of Halal slaughter and what they're trying to pass is Halal slaughter. I've also seen proper Orthodox Halal slaughter where they cab them and they don't let them see each other. I've seen that too. I've seen the animals struggling and suffering. Yeah, I've still seen them suffering. I see animals getting their head cut off really quick with a sharp knife by, you know, a real, you know, religious Muslim doing it the proper way. And it's still... they suffer. Yeah. And they don't want to die in all of these things. But let's say they don't die. What are we going to do with them? We can't just live on vegan the rest of our life. But what do you think a vegan eats, dude? Sorry? What do you think a vegan eats? I'm not sure. Oh, bread and legumes and vegan cheese and, you know, we have a bunch of stuff here. Basically, everything that you can eat I have vegan versions of. Like, there's nothing that you won't... will miss out on. Like, imagine if I cut your neck right out. And eat as well. We eat a lot. I've seen. A lot of the slaughter is just sacrifice. Yeah. But it's completely needless now. It's needless. What do you think? When you sacrifice, you can sacrifice your time, your money. You can sacrifice to help the poor. You can do lots of sacrifice. Yeah, exactly. With the tradition and merely a tradition, really. Yeah, and traditions can be outdated and cruel. Yeah. That's what God made them for. But wait a second. Why is God so against you eating a suffered animal? What do you mean? You believe they can suffer? Yeah. Yeah. Why did God make them so they can suffer? Why didn't he just make them as halal automatically? No. You understand? No, I'm saying chicken, halal, everyone. But the way they get killed, that's what makes a halal and a sheep. A sheep is halal everywhere. But what if they live in suffering? It's still haram. Well, that's why in Muslim countries we make sure that it just happens. Well, it depends on what country it depends. You're making a statement without evidence. For Muslim countries, I went to Bali and that has a good decent Muslim population. And I went to a slaughter named it was halal. I went to UAE. UAE. What's this? Dubai. Dubai? No, no, no. Go there. Speak to one of them. Dude, if anyone wants to take me into a slaughterhouse and I'll bring my camera and film the whole thing. Yeah. And then we can talk about whether or not that animal suffered. If you go to any butcher, if you go to a slaughterhouse, there'll be more than more than. Have you ever been in a slaughterhouse and watched animals in Iraq? Yeah, I'm talking about in the UK. No, not in the UK. And I probably know more about the industry than you do. But you'll trust your butcher. But hey, tell your butcher to give me an email. Yeah. I want to go to his farm, this magical farm. Where are these farms, dude? How many Muslims are in the UK? Do you want an address? Huh? Do you want an address? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, look into it. It's a long sight. Go speak to them. You can ask them to show you the farm. It's everything. So when you go out during the day right now, what are you going to eat? I don't eat meat. I wish I'd get home. Like, if I... If I... I'm the same as you right now. If I go to pasta, I have to eat something. I love. Like, if I go to Subway, I have to go get tuna or something. I don't get anything else. Tuna? Yeah. Why the hell is tuna not haram? I'm not sure. They get dragged out the ocean by their face and suffocate to death. I'm not sure. Yeah, fish feel pain and suffer. So if you're eating a fish... The fish I was checking were made for fishing. The fish are made for fishing? Yeah. Okay. But wait a second. They suffer too? Yeah, I know they suffer. They're taking made for fishing. So where is all this fish getting killed in the halal way on the boat? There's no halal way in killing fish. So it doesn't matter. They're exempt. They're exempt. They have a get out of jail free card. There's fish. Don't worry about it. No worries. So you could torture... I could essentially torture a fish right here. You can't torture a fish. Why not? Wait a second. They're exempt from the boat. It's not meant to be tortured. Like any animal. Right now you're meeting that sounds like they're meant to be tortured. They're not. I don't think they're made to be eaten or tortured at all. But I'm just saying essentially what you're saying is fish are exempt from your religious rules here. Yeah. That I could torture a fish and it would still be halal. Yeah. Well, that's just inconsistent. That's logically inconsistent. It doesn't make any sense. It's okay to question things. You know what I mean? But you can question things yourself. You don't have to just submit completely to all these things that don't, you know. You can believe in God. I have no problem with believing in God. But when you're using God to justify cruelty... So you tell me don't your chicken know me or nothing? Well, God's not telling you you have to. I can be a vegan Christian. I can be a vegan Muslim. If you've got to be a Muslim or a Christian you'll see why. I know vegan Muslims. I know vegan Muslims as well. But I know a lot of vegan Muslims that turn. Are they bad Muslims? They're not bad Muslims. But they start... You meet after they said there's no point of being vegan. It's not like a compulsory thing anymore. Well, it depends on if you care about ethics outside of your religion. Yeah. But what we believe is what animals are made for, for medicine, for fun, for fishing and for eating. So they're made for pleasure to basically experiment on. Yeah. And for fun, you say? Yeah. For fishing. Yeah. People go fishing for fun. So if they were made for fishing why didn't they just why didn't God just make them so they didn't suffer? I just don't understand. No, I'm not sure. So do you think that's more of the work of the devil? Sorry? Why would someone create animals to suffer, especially a fish? You say they're just here for fishing. I don't know where that's written in the religious text but we can talk about that. That is... Okay, I'm going to make fish for fishing. Okay, I'm also going to make it so they suffer extremely bad when they get hooked in the face. What would God say if I just killed a dog in a halal way and just used him as a jacket? No, that's only... God said that's only if it's like the last resort. Like if there's no plants, no animals, if you're only in the desert by yourself then you could eat a dog if you don't have a dog. Okay. So dogs are a last resort but eating a sheep is the first resort. Why? Because sheeps are made to be eaten. Dogs are not made to be eaten. Dogs are made to be eaten. Dogs are made to be eaten by security. But that's the last resort. That's the last thing you can do for a sheep, for a dog. Yeah. But first resort kind of sheeps head off no worries, even if there's plants available. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's completely inconsistent, personally. I think it's inconsistent. I think there's no point. You don't have to. It's needless. It's cruel. Yeah. You know they suffer. It all goes down to what you believe in. Yeah. Well, you believe it too because you believe they suffer when they have their throat slashed open. And pigs will put here to be eaten? No. Medicine. So what are like I said, Muslims have a different belief to most other people who believe pigs will put here to be eaten. No. We put pigs there here for medicine. So Christians believe pigs will put here to be eaten too. And we find pigs as dirty as was. Yeah. Like you'll have a pig taking sheep go over there come back to eat some sheep. It's not even healthy. It's not even healthy. You eat dairy so this is what you support when you eat. These are calves being killed because they're useless in the dairy industry. So I think the dairy problem for you might be a bit significant. I'm not sure. I'll look into it. So why is dairy halal? Do you have halal dairy? No. I don't think so. Okay. So basically these animals in the dairy industry are not being killed halal but you're funding this industry to happen. This is a calf in a dead bin. This is actually me at a dairy farm where they're suffering. Taken away from their mothers and kept in cages. This is hutches enslaved. This is slavery. So you consume dairy and all this. This is why your religion's not covering everything here. You know they suffer. You can avoid that little bit of suffering. You wouldn't even have to say that forgiveness prayer. You could just eat plant foods but it comes down to you know I feel like you're using your religion as like it's more it's like a I think my justification is right in religion so everything everything in my religion is correct. Yeah. Do you do anything for your own person out of your own personal mind like your own personal reasoning? Yeah that's what God gave us free will. Okay so you've got free will. I could choose right now to go eat bacon but I don't I don't choose to because I believe in God. You could also choose right now to do something that's not haram like eat bacon and choose to eat plants and not Yeah exactly and that's not Muslim. I choose to just follow the sun of the prophet that's what the prophet used to do that's what I'm going to do. All I'm saying is back then times were different now you've got the freedom of choice right to we still have to prophet the prophet you have to follow the prophet like the prophet the prophet didn't say it's haram to not eat animal like you could choose to eat animal you could choose to not eat animal and it makes a difference to the animal it makes a difference putting their head off it makes a difference to them so I think you could you could also have your own ethics that don't affect your religion outside of your religion but yeah you know like why not why add to this this blood bath of animals having their heads slashed off you don't have to you don't have to it's not mandatory in your religion you're using your religion to justify it can you kill an animal yourself wait a second animals will put here for you to be eaten why can't you oh wait a second wait if you had to I personally would have killed an animal how would it make you feel to kill an animal right now that's why we have special people to do it I was just wondering I was just wondering what would happen to your emotions if you slashed the lamb's head off right now if I have to then I will that sounds like I've done it before what would happen to your emotions nothing really you wouldn't feel a thing what about you you're a six month old lamb right here and you have to slice their head off would that make you feel a certain way I don't agree with you by the way I think you would feel a bit funny about it yeah a little lamb screaming you know you're holding him down and then you're slashing her throat and they bleed out choke on their own blood if I do it the right way I don't mind doing it would you want to be killed in the hell out way if I had to kill an animal like no would you rather die with a knife across your throat or the bullet in the back of your head any wouldn't matter so you're telling me would an animal rather get killed in the hell out way or would it get shot like the hell out way well I'll go the vegan way which is not doing either but I'm just wondering if you would like to have your throat slashed open the hell out way or get executed from behind you wouldn't mind I would be putting to this to this world to be eaten or to be used as medicine I would be putting to the world to live my life do you think that you suffer differently to how like a pig would suffer do you think that you suffer well you have to you have to son I'm not a pig do you think that I suffer any different than that I'm not made to do a pig what about eating a monkey is eating a monkey haram yeah how do you know because I read it who tells you this who tells you this it's written in the Quran no I don't think it's written in the Quran okay so it's not even written in the Quran I used to go to schools back in when I was young isn't the Quran only God's word and everything else is just so it's not written in the Quran it's written in the Sunnah that's what the prophet that's what the prophet said the Sunnah is what the prophet said the prophet said okay that's different so the prophet actually said don't eat a monkey that's haram and he went through the like 50,000 wild species and said this is haram this one's not this one's haram and it all comes down to common sense as well would you ever eat a monkey no no no no wait a second common sense you know let me ask you any questions you ask me okay now you ask me come on would you rather eat a like if you had no choice would you rather eat a monkey or a sheep if I had no choice but you just gave me a choice a monkey or a sheep so that's the only choice yeah like no other choice I mean like no plan stopping if you had to it depends like what type of monkey like how big how much bigger in general would you rather eat a mature a mature monkey or mature sheep I'd kill the sheep because it's bigger and I could live longer like I'd kill you if you're bigger than him I think he's bigger than you I'd probably kill you because I could eat more of you would you ever eat a monkey if there's no choice I'd eat you if there was no choice would you rather eat a human than a monkey between you and a monkey I'd eat the monkey yeah but that doesn't mean hey wait a second that doesn't but the common sense is if it was you a monkey and a vegan burger I'll eat the vegan burger so that's the choice you have right now I don't know why you don't make that choice it's common sense hey it's not common sense yeah it is no one has to have their throat slashed open if I go with common sense I just gotta use meat you just said sometimes you have to use common sense but I want to know if your religion dictates everything you do that's not common sense that's not common sense that's not common sense that's not common sense that's not common sense that's not common sense between a halal animal right now to eat if you're looking at me you're not common sense that's what I'd rather do yeah even though the vegan burger is actually halal as well yeah but I'd rather have the meat just for what for your pleasure yeah okay that's what it comes down to for most people no really yeah because you don't drink any alcohol no I don't did you just lie to me no I thought Muslims don't lie I don't drink alcohol I don't drink alcohol don't worry never drunk alcohol before huh never in my life don't even know what it tastes like one I don't drink alcohol I'm a lie detector test you know that eh I don't drink alcohol yeah but I'm not saying you don't drink it but I'm just saying have you ever drunk it I've drunk it yeah yeah yeah of course I've never so that's haram not really because I didn't know it was alcohol that was an accident yeah this guy put it in my drink and then the thing is right now yeah you've looked into everything right now I haven't looked into anything I'm just I'm just living what everyone else does but you've looked into Muslim you've looked into atheists you've looked into everything and you're just talking to me like I haven't really looked into it if I look into it I'll come to beat you it'll be a different story well we're not debating like I'm basically trying to find out like you believe God created you with a conscience you know you believe God that created animals but God also created them to suffer I'll show most Muslims what happens in a slaughter house where animals have nets slaughter house where animals have their head cut off they feel sick they don't want to see it this is awful you know I just don't know how God would make humans be disgusted when they see an animal get their head cut off the animals are actually suffering and want to live you know I just still feel like like if God is compassionate loving caring all loving and we have a choice to not have slaughter houses I just don't see why not you never know what they feel like until you actually become an animal then you I am an animal what do you mean without becoming an animal I am an animal I know what it's like to be scared and don't want to die they have a brain eyes functioning nervous system they run away from danger I know exactly what it would be like I think what you should do you should go to a Muslim country go to Iraq UAE any Middle Eastern country yeah go see how they kill animals I've seen how they do it go see how they kill animals and they just cut their head off with that convert to a Muslim later if you see how they kill animals how we treat animals bring your phone out show me footage I've got a bit of footage yeah you can find that I can't Iraq animal slaughter just put it up full Islamic hadhi ritual slaughter so this is a Muslim country yeah okay let's watch it together what do you think this animal is feeling right now is this animal suffering right now what do you think do you think this animal is suffering choking you never know you never know no one likes to die you never know if that animal is cooking right now because it's made to be like that nah do you think animals feel any feelings animals feel no feelings but you tear if they suffer so you know they feel feelings because you're worried about them when they suffer so you know they feel feelings but you're like oh now now you say oh you never know you never know so you contradict yourself all throughout the conversation let's say there's an animal right now you don't eat it you don't use it for medicine you don't use it for anything but what is it for what is it for then what is it useful same thing like I'd say that this person here is not here to be used either I'd just say he's here to experience his life they're different to animals nah but I'm just saying like I look at them not the same but like you know I just see them as being here to experience life as well how do you know that I don't have a feeling right now because it doesn't have a brain a functioning nervous system you know nerves you never know I don't know so you're the same as an animal right now do you know when you say I never know you never know when you put it it might be the same as putting an animal's neck well absolutely not it's not you never know they don't have eyes, brain, nerves well you do know with science we can understand the reality we're in I don't believe in science yes you do I don't believe in religion because you believe in animal testing for bloody medicine you believe in medicine which is science you're just contradicting yourself all over the show that was based on my religion my religion is science if you don't believe in science don't use medicine don't use technology so I don't use animals for anything so right now if I don't use animals for anything I feel like you pick this one thing eating animals right but you don't you pick and choose you don't you're not living back then whenever Muhammad was around like you're picking this one thing because and all it comes down to is you like the taste and you don't want to change that's all it is yeah I'll never change yeah you like the taste you don't want to change and you want to justify it so you don't feel bad you're trying to say that animals are more superior than humans uh no not more superior at all like I don't know where you got that idea for you're trying to say no no I'm just saying they're worthy enough not to be stabbed to death test medicines and humans are tested on animals now consenting humans didn't you hear the word consenting you know that means animals don't have a choice do they exactly that's why it's evil so you've got really got them two together you're forcing we're forcing animals into slaughterhouses forcing them to die forcing them into testing labs why don't animals eat an animal then why do they out of survival do you not think where do out of survival so you're saying an animal can eat an animal we can't eat an animal I'm saying why do you eat animals for pleasure you just told me because you like the taste yeah I like the taste okay so animals don't eat because they like the taste they eat other animals out of survival they have to why do lions why do lions eat their own cubs why do lions eat their own cubs what do lions eat their own cubs and they have a 20 year listen to me dude lions eat their own cubs I'm not going to show no they are they do I can show you right now lions eat their own cubs and why do you care what a lion does anyway they don't kill their animals hello my brother lions don't kill their animals hello they just rip them to shreds do you think I think that's cool that lions rip other animals to shreds I don't think that's cool the only difference is this guy can go into the supermarket and buy plants a lion has no choice they have to eat other animals or they'll die the lion will get for free okay the lion will get for free the lion will get what plants for free the lion will get plants for free they can't you're saying I'm good by supermarket I need to keep it they'll die if they eat plants what are you talking about they can't eat plants they have to eat animals to survive well how you're 18 lions are obligate carnivores they have to eat other animals to survive they can't eat plants you've got a choice to eat plants I think I'm going to pack it up now I'm done with this debate it's been about an hour anyway might upload that do it we'll see what the audience thinks see if you're contradicting yourself or not maybe you can read through the comments alright catch us later right see you mate