 Welcome to Toffy TV, today I am joined by my good mate, David Feely, haven't seen him for a while because we are living in bonkers times, hopefully there is light at the end of the tunnel at last but yeah it's been too long, Dave, how are you my mate? I'm good brother, I'm good, I'm good, I'm good. Obviously yourself who is normally used to travelling the width of the bread and everywhere else to watch the blues, just briefly how difficult has it been the last eight months kind of not to be able to go and watch them? Concise answer is extremely, because the thing about the Toffies and you know this, I'm not saying I tell you anything you don't know but people think it's just turned up on a sati and go to match, it isn't, it's my whole life. By the time I saw a ticket I, you know I would do it and then transport and then for the next week and people's giving me dough and it's a whole thing, it's existentially, it literally knocked me sideways genuinely because like you say, it's not just me who does it, others do exactly the same, many others but it becomes like that you routine, it's like getting up in the morning and having a wash, it's like literally. So it was an existential crisis, it wasn't just about 90 minutes on a sati and that's the bit what got me, that was the bit what's been more difficult to deal with because I've never been a telefan as you well know. So to go from there to being people on the internet saying oh it's great, we'll get them for nothing, the games are for nothing and every day I'm like that's not it really, that's not enough. So it's been a big deal, I didn't realise at the time, I'll give you an example, the last time I was in the ground, the last time anybody was in the ground, we've got a four nil, I hadn't had Chelsea and it wasn't good, it was beyond bad in fact it was awful. However, walking out that ground in the morning, if they'd have come to me three months ago and said here's a contract, sign it now to go back to Chelsea this week to have exactly the same performance and exactly the same result, will you sign it? In a heartbeat, that's how much you missed it, to try and give you an insight to it, that's how much, it wouldn't have mattered to me because I just want to be back to that again, I want to be back to the stage where we don't even think about it. Well now we do have to think about it and join ballads and this and that and the other thing and I don't know, I underestimated it maybe. Yeah it's, it is mad isn't it, walking out the, I didn't go to Chelsea but walking out the United Kingdom a week before Dominic Alvin, when I was choked off, I was aggrieved but walking out the ground that day to think we still wouldn't be back in the stadium in December was absolutely mad on it. It listened for yourself, it's slightly different to me because obviously you live on your own so it's a different thing and even for me like going on a match and seeing people but for yourself mixing with loads of people and then the next minute you're having to be in on your own and you're not able to go on a match and say everyone else and that affects a lot of people isn't it Dave, it's not just you but that must be difficult for you as well because obviously you're all your matchmates and everything and then you're not being able to go and mix with them. Is that, is that being really difficult, is that being even more difficult what you say than actual watching Evan play kick a ball around the pitch? Yeah that was something else I underestimated, I've been in here now for nine and a half months on my own with about, I've met my mother, massed up and socially distanced maybe five times in that time, we've all had birthdays and this things happened and that things happened and it has been tough. I'm not going to underestimate it, I'm not going to sit here and say oh yeah I've bounced through it, I really haven't, particularly this last one, I've struggled, proper struggled with it and mental health, our club actually are fantastic, we both know this and we both know people who are involved in that side as personal friends. It's not just an ostensible two dimensional thing what we see, we know hands on what goes on and even that, even with that knowledge and with that insight and with that connection, personal connection we've got, I underestimated it. And I've got a history of mental health things in the past but this come like a train, it really did, like I said to you before it was an existential crisis, I had to examine everything in my life because that's what you do if you sit on your own all day and that's, do you know what I mean? You really do, what am I doing, why am I doing it, so it's all that but tie that into evidence, that was the light at the end of the tunnel for me because I've got great friends, I mean all of my friends, all of my 10 best friends, 15, 20 best friends are in some way or other linked to evidence for board club in some way. So it's literally the heartbeat of my life, my family are linked to evidence for board club and their hands on, so it has been tough, I'm not going to sit here and say it hasn't to be honest. Now listen it's affected us, it's affected everyone I'm sure, you know, that days and weeks where you just, I don't know, you just feel like you're on the floor, you feel lowered in a Snakes Belly so obviously I've got people around me, you just see everybody, you know, and that's almost been even worse for you but we do all have those moments because it's the party of light staff, you want to call it, there's freedom isn't it, you're freedom has been taken away? Absolutely. Absolutely. I'm going to see people, you know, my mum will be covering them from cancer, I can't hook her as much as I do. I know, I know. It's been all going, it's exactly the same. The same isn't it, so it's everything we're all dealing with that but let's move past that because like you said right at the start there is now finally seems to be a little bit of light at the end of the tunnel. There was an announcement this week, obviously we've come out of lockdown this week, there's an announcement this week that football fans in less than two or three can go to match which Liverpool is now in despite being the epicentre of a play give you the red down in the street about five weeks ago what was coming out of there but we have managed to turn it round which is great news and well done everyone in the city and all of that but it's come out to 2000 fans being allowed back into the stadium. For the next week against Chelsea. So first and foremost that's good news and it's a step forward to getting back to the match. Absolutely. Personally I haven't applied because for the reasons I've just told you I don't want to go to the match on my own, I don't want to sit in the match. No I'm not saying it's a fantastic, it's incremental progress and I'm taking it all day long however personally I look at the kids, I look around at what's going on. I look around at what's at 45% to 55% season tickles at 11, they're under 16 years of age. So I look at that and think maybe I should let them have a go because the kids can't get chosen and not go with the fathers or the parents or their uncle or whoever they are. So maybe it's time for me just right now to say do you know what it's more important to them than it is to me because I know what that's like so if I was that age. My father, he's been dead and gone many years but I'm assuming, my dad would say I'm not that bothered, I can wait but he needs to be there now because you need that, you know what it's like, you've done exactly the same yourself. You need that when you're a child, the drive, the being there, the smelling it, the hearing it, the saying it, all of those things are very very intrinsic to the experience. So I'm looking at it thinking I can step back just only for now, just for the next four or five games, let the kids get back in first and then I'll be home and away again as soon as they give me the chance. However, right now I'm thinking halleluia, halleluia and then once we get the kids back, that's normality then because the place is full of kids. You can't walk down Goddison Road, that fans on, you know, on a match day, you've got it, it's all part of our package. We are a really idiosyncratic club, I've got friends, close friends who are fans of other clubs, really really big fans of other clubs as much as we are, they go to games as much as us and they're really impressed by that side of our club, that inclusiveness that everyone gets a voice, everyone's as important as everybody else, old, young, big, woman, man, you know, big, small, whatever, we are inclusive. So I think if we're going to do it, I think we should include the kids first and have them right at the front of the queue personally. So I'm great, I'm up for it, I can't wait but just right now I think I might let them go first. I've got, I'm in a situation where Zach's asking me every week, you know, when can we go back, can we go to Mac? And I'm, I don't know what, I personally am not that bothered at the moment because I was always, for a while people have asked me all, you know, what have you, or about it from the juice can, I was always now, we either all go back or none of us go. I've changed that view slightly because some people do need it, I get that. I still, I still would rather be in Gwldersham Park when it's full. I'm with you, I'm with you entirely. I want to see everyone. The other thing, I'll be honest with you yet, the other thing is I don't want to sit in the top balcony. I don't want to sit in the top balcony, it's too high for me. No, it's not because it's too high for me, I just don't want to sit in the top balcony. No, but it's too high for me, I don't like it, I don't like it. So listen, it is what it is, I'm made up that some people are going to get the opportunity to, with the ballot and all that to go again next week against Chelsea. And hopefully this is the start of, I just hope, and we can't tell at the moment, I hope that we don't have a little bit of a climb up the hill and we're getting it and it's locked down again and everything's shut again for another few weeks while we start. And then we have to start again, I'm open, this is the start of an incremental ease out of these measures and we can go from 2,000 to 10,000 and then, do you know what I mean? I'm hoping that's the plan. I don't know whether it'll happen, I don't know. There's two sides of that particular coin, looking from the outside, you'd say Christmas is an absolute warning sign. However, the vaccine, if this was a seesaw, I look at Christmas and think that's just an accident waiting to happen. You should have lifted it after Christmas, if you're going to, sensibly. However, it appears that the confidence about rolling out this vaccine, so even that, it's 65 million people in this country. So, you know, even an election in this country is a logistical nightmare and you've just got to walk in, put an X on a piece of paper and walk out again. And it's genuinely a logistical nightmare so if you transfer that and only people over 18 can do that in the election. This is going to include children and everything and people in hospital and in jail and in all over the place. So, I see it as a logistical problem which is not going to be done by the end of January and I don't care how optimistic you are. However, should that counterbalance the almost likely events of a spike post Christmas and New Year, well then you'd look to say, I don't know, off the top of my head, Easter, whereby normality would then be rolling back in. And now, instead of being 15, 20%, you might be 45% to 60%. Well, that really is a light at the end of the tunnel then. And now we can start saying right, well we'll go from there to there. I look at the match, for example, and I think what about the cues for the eating and what about the toilets? Just, you know, and they sell lager or beer. So once you drink beer, once you've had two of them, now they say, the idiom is drink a six pack, you're an eight and nine pack. So that's just anyone, anywhere on the planet. So therefore you drink beer, you're going to need the toilets. And if you look, not just that ground, every other ground that limited confined spaces. So those have got to be factored in. So logistically again, I can see the being problems and it's not going to be, oh that's gone now, let's all get back to it next Monday. But like I say, if you can roll it out into a three, three and a half month projection, well right now, like that contract that tells you, I'd sign it here, sitting here in front here now. Well, it's a step forward isn't it? It'll be good for people who need it, who need to go and get back in and have that normality. I suppose it'll be interesting to see how the players respond as well because I know that they've got used to playing in quiet grounds now. So a bit of noise, it'll be interesting to see how they cope with that. Now it won't be mass noise obviously, but it'll be noisy. It'll help. It'll help, so we'll see how we go. And obviously hopefully we will all be back in sooner rather than later. But just over the way it works out, just over a quarter of the season gone. Now ten games. What have you made of it? Cos obviously the opening, seven games. The world was great. Every day there was birds flying on your window and there was butterflies and it was taking us back to the halcyon days of the 80s for a few weeks there. It was how many will we win by today, but obviously we've hit an inevitable bump in the road, which the manager was at pains to tell us was coming anyway, which was inevitable wasn't it? But what have you made of it? First of all, what have you made of it overall and then we'll break down why you think it is the way it is. So ten games in, we're eighth, we're five points off the top of the league. Okay, we're probably five points off the delegation as well, but that's where we are in the fight for Europe at this moment. So what have you made of it? Honestly, it's basically part of the course. It's where they expected us to be. We kind of overachieved in the first, like you say, whatever games it was. And a reality is kind of setting in the latter time. I don't think anything specifically to blame for that because during the season you are going to encounter injuries, you are going to encounter loss of form and send them off and suspensions and whatever. So if you look at it, when the season started before the season started prior to kicking a ball, I'd have probably said we'll finish about ninth, eighth, seventh. That's where we are right now because as a project, this is a long-term deal and we're literally not even at dinner hour on the first day yet, genuinely. So to respect a Harry Potter type miraculous change of circumstances, it was a beach. To myself personally, it was a beach. What we needed to do was put flags in the floor, Mishiri, Uzmanoff with the thing outside flagging the floor. Carlo Anciolotti is named above in the manager's seat in order to attract players. We couldn't have attracted without him. Again, a flag in the floor, but it's not a quick fix. It doesn't guarantee success because if it did, Chelsea and Man City would have just been passing the league between themselves for the last 10 years. Although they have done that to an extent, Arsenal have had how many billionaires on their board for 15 years now and Manchester United. So what it would tell you is that you've really got to have a bit more, so it hasn't surprised me honestly. Like you say, I don't watch all the games live because I'm not a fan. It's particularly obscure. I can't entertain them. I've never been able to. However, I watch the synopsis of it. I watch the highlights of it and I get the general flavour of what we do right and what we do wrong. My actual opinion is, if you really want my opinion, is that we've got a squad of maybe 14, 15, 15 players in a squad of 28 to 30. And the rest, with the great respect that I'm not picking on individuals, it's not their fault. It's the people who gave them the contracts. That's who I'd be looking at. And now we've got square pegs round holes. Well, we've got square pegs that don't even fit into square holes. So what you'd have then is every time you get an injury or a suspension or actually you look to change the substitutions. Clop is now pushing for five substitutions. We could have 15 substitutions and still not be able to look at full them. That is a case in point. We're cruising the game. They make two avidded substitutions and we decide to do the same. And we go 30, 40% worse than we were. Basically what I'm trying to say to you, we need our first 11 on the pitch most times, 90% of the time. And then we've got a possibility to air teams. We can defend. We can adapt our shape. As soon as one, two, certainly three of those players, whomever they may be, as soon as they are gone, we will struggle because we just haven't got the quality to bring on. So that is not down to our manager. He hasn't even been here 12 months yet. So that's not him. That was a problem which existed for this manager, the last manager, the one before and the one before that. That's upstairs, brother. That's upstairs. And so now that spotlight needs shining in. And if nothing else, just to say, see that? That's a line. That will not happen anymore because I've just said to you we've got Usman off and Machiri and we've gone all serious FC now. So in order to do that and project that image globally, well you've got to start acting it. You can't just talk the talk. You've got to walk the walk. And that problem will remain at least for this season. Probably into next season because it's going to take three winners to get them out and an improvement in that standard, in numbers. We need numbers. I'm not talking about squad numbers but actual numbers in the squad. Number 22, 23, 24, 25 and upwards, they need to be able to come in and play six games on a roll and winners for them. Right now that's a pipe dream in my opinion. No, I think you're right, I think. The problem with Everton I've had is we've never, rightly or wrongly, we've never allowed the manager to stick around. Have we lunged them? You know, we've had, you know, mwysh, whether people like them or not. Everton for 75, 80% of the time would go down with David mwysh. All right, we didn't win the big games away from home, OK. But he knew, he had no money, really. And he knew exactly how to get your own. And I'm a great believer in this league isn't great anyway. If you get off. I totally agree with you. If you get off and asked in this league and you can hear teams in the final third, you'll finish in your, or there or thereabouts. Mwysh is brilliant at that. He's doing it now at West Ham. However, the thing what he did, actually, is getting back to me previous points, it was basically the same 11 every week. Of course. He had his first team and he had people around the first team. Look what we would do for, just by way of example, from ours way, Kevin Richardson and Alan Harper. Kevin Richardson and Alan Harper would be first choice players. He might play four different positions in this team, but they'd be on. If they're not in the 11, they're the two subs. Absolutely. And that's what we're missing. Well, David mwysh, that's where he struggled. That's why we never won at the big team. And that's why we never won it because he just had that. We didn't have the dough to get the next two or three to sit here and improve and make and give competition for the people who are in that first team. And that's our problem today, as it was 10 years ago. Well, if that's the case, look at the amount of money we've spent, brother. So, therefore, half a billion. So, therefore, the problem is upwards, not downwards. You have to look upstairs and people have to be culpable. The amount of money that paid. I'm not picking out individuals because the changes, the phases have changed over that period and nothing has changed ostensibly for us going again. So, that's got to be the first thing. And if one lesson has to be taken out of this with the fans not in the ground, because all of a sudden we've become observers as opposed to active participants, we, ourselves, have won that team. Points we should not have won. Go to some path, that backdrop behind you, has won them points. Well, that hasn't been available. So, now that spotlight goes on to other areas now and starts saying, well, actually, without them. So, I would say the first thing to solve is that next time we go into the transfer window, for whomever it may be, they have got to tick boxes that they haven't been ticking previously. And so then, in over a three, five-year period, you will then see an exponential increase in the performance level, in the ability level, in the ability to adapt and take on challenges which we are not seeing at the moment. Well, just on that, cos you're looking to ask, for you, what would that be? What is this team lacking? I know cos I know what I think it is, but for you, what do you think it is? Because the place you bring in, when you look at that subspence last week against Leeds, you know, we got beat by and deservedly, so Leeds deserved to win. We got beat by a team that has just come off in the championship. They didn't waltz the champions. They won it, but they didn't waltz it. They went 20 points clear and it was easy for them. They've been a really good side, haven't they? But they're a championship side. They haven't gone and bought six world-class players this summer. No, but what I mean is, Everton have spent half a billion pounds since 2016, right? We had a subspence where every player was the same. On that bench, there was no dynamic pace. There was no athleticism. There was no... There was no left side. There was just nothing. There's no left side. There's no pace. There's no attacker. There's no attacker midfielder. There's no right back. So, basically, getting back to Leeds, the kind that it's Bielse, so what they are, they're really good going forward, but they'll open the door to you backwards. So, all the good sides they play this season, they'll probably score two, even three goals, like the Ramfield against the good side, but they won't win the game because the good sides will put the foot on the net and kill them. We are not able to do that because we haven't got people. We need all of our better players to be seven or eight out of ten every week. That's the problem. We can buy another 12 players in the next window, two in all of the main positions through the park and a bit of width, and it will still be no better off because unless you solve that problem whereby the competition for places is as capable as the people who are coming out to go in, well, right now it really isn't, and I'm not trying to pick on individuals, like it says here. It's a fact, but it's an upstairs problem. They've been getting away with me, while we're slagging you, particularly what you do. How many times have me and Mullenbin on your show? We've talked about five or six different managers in the time I've been coming on, and we just regained the same thing, not because it's you doing that, everybody does it, because the same problem keeps arising because we never change the fundamental aspect of what's wrong. We're buying players who cannot do the job long term. Even if you do it short term, I'll give you an example. Andre Gomez at Liverpool in the Riga game. Absolutely wonderful. Looked at him and thought, oh yeah, three, four years. Benard, the same, comes in, looked cracker when he first got it, but unable to maintain it. Well, that should have been the person. This is not a personal dig of either of those two players. You could name any of the five others and put their names in it. I'm just taking them by way of example. That's the people buying them. So why aren't they in Barcelona's team? Why aren't they doing this? And what is it that they lack? So then, back to Bielsa, that's what he does. He just thinks I'll score more than you. A little bit like Martinis, actually. So I'll pack me team with forward players and looking. Like you said, they didn't run away with the champions because the back door was always open. And teams will, your grind of teams can do that to them, block it off, two banks of four. And because they're not great at the back, they're always in the game. But we can't even do that at the moment. We can't even go to a moist type in the trenches mentality and just do that because we need the Charleston, Calvert-Lewin, Allen, and the defence that all came up at once. And our fullbacks are doing two men's job. Both of them are doing two people's jobs every week. And losing the both of them together has just been, it's absolute death knell to us to be perfectly fine. Just on the manager, what the manager can do because obviously he's here, he's got the squad. We know he's a well-class manager, he's proved and he's got all the trophies to prove it. Do you think Carlo maybe just needs to, just for now, try to work on a little bit more solidity and start from there? Because I know it's difficult. He's lost, like you just mentioned, we've lost two of our fullbacks. I think you mentioned it before. When we had the team that beat Spares on day one, he was probably ever the strongest team. What we've seen since then is Andre Gomez has dropped off again. He's got ways for whatever reason. He set himself off it, so it's whatever reason. And we've lost two fullbacks, so already we're down on that. We had six players out of Newcastle, whatever it was, so everything can't lose. Two players left along six at the moment. But you just think for now, we need to somehow get a back four in and try to just stay in games and maybe try to, I know it's difficult because you just said we haven't really got the players to do it. But do you think that maybe one way that Carlo can do it, maybe put a little bit more of a defensive slight on it at the minute and try to, because we're going to Burnley at the weekend. They've scored four goals this season, Burnley. Four goals. Dom's got ten. Dom's scored as many goals as Arsenal have. Yes, yes. And then we've got Hamers has got three and Ritialisons got Michael Keynes got a couple. So we know we've got goals on us, but Saturday will be a game where it's going to be tight, but during your face, you know what you're getting. But do you think everything could do with trying to keep it tight, work on a defensive side of it, knowing that the front three will get us a goal at some time in the game. I think that might be the way he needs to look at it just for now. I think he might on Saturday, but I also need to give you the caveat. I'll say that. I think he might on Saturday, but it's that the bodies can't play. You haven't got enough bodies unless he goes in Goku at left back. You haven't got it back for. Yeah, but right, he's only a baby, and he's literally played. That's not enough. Oh God, it was last Saturday. I agree with you. Maybe in Carlos said that's the reason he went three at the back because actually three at the back means five at the back conceptually. It's three at the back when you've got the ball. It's actually five. Well, it wasn't. It was still three and that's less than four. So you may as well have gone four. Do you see what I'm saying to you? I think he might get a bit pragmatic because of the exact what you just said about barely. They have not got with pace or not going to get behind you. So maybe we'll do that and put an extra midfielder in and have kind of two banks of four and look for the others to try and hit them with our weapons. I'd still say, I actually, when I saw that three at the back change, that's full of them, I think it was, and that's smack to me. Like he knew he was frightened the soonest common wasn't there. He knew we couldn't play it back for anymore because I decide it's just open. Because of because of hammers on the left and because of the huge gap, what sheaim is common. He's 30 odd years of age now, by the way, but which again speaks to the problem of the upstairs thing. Nobody's seeing the problems coming. It's not good enough. We've done it with banks, didn't we? We left banks, but we left them a year too long and then luckily for us, Luca Dean come in and has been as good as he's been. Magnificent. That's what sheaim is, sheaim is. When he's fit and doesn't have to play every weekend, 90 odd dockies, he can still perform, but he's had three hamstring injuries this season. We've only 10 games in. He's had three injuries already. John Joe Kenny obviously isn't good enough. He doesn't fancy him. He doesn't fancy him, but we knew anyway in the summer and we should have really got a right back on now. So then pragmatism is the order of the day. So I agree with you, just put it this way, I agree with you on the four against Bay and I think that might well be the case, even if he plays somebody out of position and puts them at left back. I think me personally, I'd have them conquer a left back and I'd play Mason Holgate or Godfrey at right back. Ever one I didn't use at right back would play in the field. Because let the other two go and do what they do then. Because Alan's doing great, but he leaves his position because he wants to go hunting the ball. It's a bit like Peter, he wants to get it on. If he doesn't do, we haven't got anyone to do that. When he does it, there's a big hole, which have we been getting punish from because of that. It's just precisely the point. So I hadn't finished. So I agree with you. No, I'm not. I'm trying to continue the point. So I agree with you that barely that might be right. However, for the Man United game, for example, in the cup, I doubt very much. Unless we've got bodies, proper bodies back, I doubt very much we'll go flat back four because they'll just base down the side of us. So we'll put an extra, the third defender in and look for it again. Like I said here, when you haven't got the ball to be five and just fill up space, fill up space. And if there is runners, go with the runner. Don't switch off passing on to the next fella. You are now in that position. You go with the runner. So never mind the bar forward. It's as important without the ball in this league. If you look at him club, about the Gagin press, it's their statistics are better without the ball than they are actually with the ball. So unless we learn, this manager is really clever. Like you said, he doesn't do what he's done. But you can, you might be the best bricklayer in the world. But if I give him Weetabix to make the house way, it's going to be a house made of Weetabix. And the first wind is going to blow it down. It's not his fault because the materials he was given to do the job are not fit for purpose. So right now we're having to make do and mend. So they actually think the next five weeks are really important. We've got two cup competitions. We've got a number of home games in a short period of time. It will tell. Our season, we will know far more by the by the 10th day of January. Or we will know as much after the 10th day of January as we will by the middle to end of February. Because it will, we will have played big sides on playing in form all man away. And we will have problems what we have not yet encountered. So I think Carla will be in this though. Actually I genuinely do. We are not a club who generally with the exception of Towson and Walcott. We're not really a January buying club. But I think this year we might have to dip in to be perfectly frank. Yeah, maybe one, maybe even two. Totally agree. Even if it's even if it's two loans or one by one loan. I think we need we need to better quality than what we've got coming in in January. Because you're right, we've got, we've got probably 15 players you don't play. Who aren't good enough to play there for whatever reason. Or buy a different manager maybe for the difference or whatever. They're just not. It's not the players fault, by the way. That isn't that's football. A new manager comes in. He fancies players. He doesn't fancy other players. Now that's just the way of the world. But there's too many. Yeah. And what we've done, like you said before, we've sacked too many managers in too short of time. We just kept throwing money at the problem without having a concept of where we wanted to go. Yeah. We were just kind of running, getting caught up in the media things, the Premier League, signing, signing. Our fans haven't helped, incidentally. Social media has not helped us because everyone gets caught up. So and so sign them and West Blomau sign it. And they're bigger than them and you're... When actually somebody should have been in. Because the wages we're paying to the people upstairs are tantamount to saying we should be at that level because that's what we're paying out when the return we're getting is far, far below that level. It really is. And the lead game was a case in point. Like you said, that's just the elses. It was the same in Spain. He's in attack and Roberto Martinez type of manager where it's all about going forward and we score more goals than you will win more games than will lose. And that's the concept of where we're going. Well, we haven't even got to that stage. We haven't, we haven't got. Once somebody adapts their shape against us, we very rarely have got an answer to it unless we go two banks of four. Yeah. So that's the previous decade. That's 2000 and 2010. No, no. This game pressure on all over the park. It's a completely different game now. It's like looking at the 70 watching big match on a Sunday. And it's great to watch it, but it's a completely different game of football. And that's the aspect what needs changing because in another 10 years when Zach is doing this program and you've been retired off, he put you in some home somewhere. Well, then you don't want them sitting here saying exactly the same old, same old. So I would say, actually, I don't want to just apply a base idiom to it. But if we have to write this season off, we're halfway, we're quartered the way through. And anyway, we're nearly at Christmas. I think that's the case. Well, the thing, I'll play that in, but the reward what I want is I want better. I want better all over the place, not necessarily on the park because you've got to put a team together. You've got a squad together and you've got to learn as they go along. We all accept that. I'm talking about mindset-wise and methodology-wise and what the actual liaison debtor of this team and this club is to be. That's what's got to change. Otherwise, we'll just be here in another year's time because we're going to start losing players then because our better players will be attractive to teams who are better than us. So it doesn't matter how much money you've got. That doesn't necessarily win you anything. That's the thing about it is that we've had that thing of every year going, if we get him in, if we get him in, if we get him in, you can't punch lucky. Sometimes it can work for you, but we've proven for years that we've thrown all kinds of money at it and nothing's happened. We still continue to do the same thing. We're still doing the same thing now. We've spent half a billion pound. Half a billion pound, if you'd give it to David Moyes, would have changed the way. We've won all sorts. If you give David Moyes 25 million, he probably would have won you some. Might have been a league cup. That team would have won you some. That's the thing about it. At the moment, we've spent so much money, and that's the frustrating thing about it is that we still feel like we're scratching around, hoping for something to fall into place. We've got no style of play, and we've got players like six managers I've had that's bizarre in that squad. We've still got James Coleman, he was David Moyes, we've got Mark Nessus players, we've got Aladais, Cooman, Silver and now Antilotti. We're hoping that the manager can somehow get a tune out of them. Absolutely bizarre. But that is it. You've just said it, let's hope it changes very quickly so that we can move forward. We're talking about our third Champions League title and not how the hell do we get into Europe for the first time. Or, even if it's not our third Champions League, because that isn't reached, but if we've maybe been in the Champions League to the latter stages four times by then. That's a flag in the floor like I said to you before. When you climb Everest, you don't just go from the bottom to the top, you have a base camp, then the first level, then the second level, then the third level, then you go for the pinnacle. Everyone does it, you've got to establish yourself and then get a standard and improve upon it. That takes time, nobody's thinking it's a quick fix, but right now we're just sliding down every time we go up we go down and we go up. It's threading water and it's not good enough and that's the thing that I would address first of all to be perfectly fine. Fingers crossed, mate, that we started addressing some of these issues ASA. Listen Dave, shu pair, thanks so much for taking time out having a chat. I'm going to say this, as soon as we're allowed, myself and Mullen will be in the studio with you because he's gagging to do it by the way. And he hasn't been well himself, so now we're ready to, just when it's safe. Well it could be shu, listen, it could be shu, it could quite easily be shu, so let's do it, let's get back in. Quick thanks, cheers Dave, stay safe and I will speak to your shu. Peace out toffies, love you kid. Thanks very much for watching, make sure you subscribe, give the video a thumbs up and if you want more videos join us on Patreon, see you later.