 Make another podcast like this Check it. Check it. Check it. It's you because it's your boy. You see order. I'm here with the lovely amazing official miss Jamaica What's going on? None of them a day walk on me y'all don't forget to like and subscribe and follow us on all social media platforms Okay, we got you man. She wants them likes and subscribes, huh? Hey, we got a guy here today y'all He really don't need no introduction man. This guy right here man I've been watching him really for a very very very long time. I don't man I can go back cuz cuz I he was on Apollo. He was on a lot of different stuff But you make him sound older. He's not that old. Well, he old enough to he done been in the same rooms where Steve Harvey and all the mother folks come through and I'm watching him the same way We all got this gray going now. Okay, so we doing our thing and let us live You know, we just look better than the more niggas you used to know Check it man. Shuck it. Duck it. Shuck it. Duck it quack quack is in the building quack quack back Man, how you doing brother? I'm doing good man It's a good thing man when you can sit down with brothers that you know that you know Paid away and created the history and the vibe for you know comedy even in the Dallas market for show When I see uh, I'll be just checking out everything and I'm gonna get into some detail But I know how you be rolling. So I'm gonna pull up for a second. Yeah, because For me, I don't always know because he is he said, you know, everybody know you But I didn't know you before now before he introduced me to you So I need to know You're upbringing. I don't need to know where you're from. Are you born and raised here? Yes, I'm born and raised in Dallas, Texas. Oakcliffe. Really? Oakcliffe down in the bottom of South H Street Well, uh First we lived in South Dallas, which is over there in colonial That was my first elementary school in colonial then we uh, I take that about, you know First semester then the sex semester moved over into oakcliffe Whereas NW Harley whereas the the school was named after a black man And uh, describe oakcliffe back then compared to the oakcliffe that we know now Oakcliffe was fun. It was it was a lot of fun, you know, uh The families were more close together Everybody was some kind of somebody If they don't they don't have to be about this person and marry that person and all that kind of stuff So it was it was a real tight knit. Everybody knew each other So it was more about family It wasn't about like when people when I first came here and I hear about oakcliffe They made it sound like it was bad. It was the ghetto. It was this it was that so Well, that didn't come in to the 80s that came in the 80s when the crack epidemic came in and and uh, and the parents started moving Uh to the suburbs So leaving the houses, you know vacant and then give them to the kids or the grandkids these grandkids They got that got their education and they want to stay in here. They wanted to say I'm moving on up like And so uh, so it started degrading when that the crack epidemic came in Okay, so were you raised with siblings? Yes, I'm the oldest of six kids six kids. Yeah, I'm the oldest My mom had six kids. I said my mom had six kids before she was 22 No, she didn't I said the same thing I said she has some more kids. I'm gonna try to So did she have the six kids with your dad? Uh, you know, you're getting real personal now. I like to get down in there. No, no, no You know, I was I was born out of wedlock. Uh, uh, then the other two was One of the other my brother came he was out of wedlock then she married my sister Who she was born? So was your daddy in your life I didn't get it to meet him until I was like 19. I was really graduated boy He said one time my momma, uh had me to meet him At a parking garage say this is your daddy. He said boy, I've been looking all over you I said, well, you didn't look too hard because I was right down the street So he lived in the same area Yeah, he lived in the same area Wow, he was a very popular guy, but I didn't know as I was going up. So you didn't know who he was I didn't know who you never asked your mom like mom. Where's my dad? Who is my dad? Did you did she tell you that the father figure that you had in the household was not your father? No, no, no, no The rumors surrounding the family We knew okay now somebody said We had a lady named edley. She was one of the nosy neighbors. I mean Miss cravitz dress miss cravitz. She told me she tell everybody business Everybody and you won't know and she would say, you know, that ain't your daddy You know that kind of stuff and then uh, you know, she said my daddy was al t and t brad Al t and t brad was a blues singer And he had he's on kkda radio and all that type of stuff. So they said that was my dad And so when they she said that was my dad, did you look him up and like I don't know nothing like no You know, they had a they had a television show on channel 11 back in the day called operation soul Okay, and al t and t brad would be on operation soul And then so when miss when miss cravitz i'm gonna call miss cravitz miss cravitz said that that's my dad That's your dad I started singing I started singing I started singing like al t and t brad You know James brown was my idol for as you know, want to be entertainer But when she said al t and t brad with my dad boy, I was I was writing songs Couldn't spell with the quarter but I was writing out writing the hill out of some songs So how did you feel the first time you met him at 19? What other than you telling him that you were just down the street? How did that feel to you? Well, I was overwhelmed because you want to you want to meet your biological father Right and so I was overwhelmed by seeing him and then he when he saw me He said uh because he had another son named call and he said He looked just like called on it. He looked just like car. You didn't know who that was I didn't know who called was he sounded like call and then so I got a chance to go over to his house be my grandmother And uh, I met her my grandmother now my grandmother was married to you know, uh, uh, Burrell Burrell's barbecue Is a big word is that it it was in it was used to be on the show here on a street back in the day Uh, but it was it was Burrell barbecue And then they had one on Cedar Crest, but I don't know if you're familiar with Dallas, but that was Yeah, that was my my grandmother had married him. Oh Yeah, so you say you had a popular family. I but I didn't know it I mean, I can't you know because we was my mom was single parent and she was struggling all these times So I didn't uh, like I said, I didn't meet him till I was 19 You know, so 18 to 19 front I didn't meet him to then and then so I just started hanging around with him for a little Short period of time. You build that relationship. I build, you know, because he was one thing I liked about my dad was he was a hustler He could make it even he can create his own jobs That's what I liked about him. He created his own. Wow. Um, you know Being in Dallas Comedy when I think back to what I my history of thinking I remember when Steve Harvey then was doing the night clubs and you know, I'm saying was doing the comedy movement here Did you link with them during that time? Yeah, yeah, I look uh, I well In 91 I had quit my job as a bus driver Okay And moved to la to try to make it in la now There's a whole backstory behind that and then so everything didn't go as I wanted to go in la I didn't like the the vibe sort of safe. How was your at that time? I can't think how all I was I know ronnie king got beat I'll talk about those terms. I was I was still I was in my 30s I was I was I was in them I was in my 30s and you had had you been on the stage already before you went up there Well, see it's a it's a long story. Let's get in that long story I need to hear that too. It's a long it's a long story. Um Uh How can I tell the story you gotta you gotta take me back? Well, I got to take you way back. You know, go way back Well, if I to take you way back is back in 1981 Okay I I met this lady where I was working at a grocery store Okay, and she introduced me to buddhism. Whoa. Yeah. She's a buddhism see See because I wanted to be uh A preacher But but let me let me let me let me go back to this. Let me tell you like this When I met my father My father was like a hustler I mean He did a whole lot of different things. My father did a whole bunch of different things You met your father and this is when you met that lady with the buddhism No, no, no, no, no. I'm I'll say okay. I met my father I'll I'll say it like this. Okay I met my father But when I was 18 or 19 years old, okay Okay, and then he introduced me to my half brother, which is call. Okay Carl was a party in person. He did a lot of parties and things of that nature So he did a whole bunch of parties And so uh, uh, so I'm trying to connect with my father now. I'm trying to connect with my My half brother things of that nature So when he first met me, he kind of looked me up and down, you know, you know, like, you know, you know, big I wasn't no big deal, you know, you know and all that kind of thing But he was real popular because the girls knew him because he went to south of cliff high school He was real popular with the girls and he was real popular with partying Then so he had a partner and him and his partner fell out over a car Okay And so so he no longer had no partner at this time. I was washing buses for uh, for the dallas transit system I was a cleaning bus cleaning bus. Yeah, and then so, um, so we had no partner And so I'm trying to connect and be with him, you know, get to get to know my half brother and everything You know, because he's not he partying and he got the girls. I don't want to be around him So I told him I go in business with you. Uh-huh. I'll go in business You know, I had the job. So we went to start getting turn tables and uh getting records and Mixers and all this in oakville all this in oakville. We start doing all that stuff together We start putting parties together. I mean we put party He showed me how to go get the building how to get the flyers how to get out there You know make it happen and used to be ball. We used to sell out Wow party that's around. I remember one club. I remember back in the day's players That was a long time. Oh, there's on carol carol and rocks over there Stuff like that like this during I'm just trying to go back. All right, late RJ bottle lake and all that Oh, yeah, buddy. They get by going over that bottle. Yeah north west highway and y'all was over no cliff with it We was over no cliff, but see that's the whole different those are holding a different A vibe the party the party and seeing was totally different like we get hotels and do the party Okay, got it. We go we go we run out the hotel ballrooms And that's how we did uh party thing then one time we rented it out and Two guys got into it with a fight and all that type of stuff. So they kind of like slowed that down Uh, you know for a little bit for a little bit for a little bit, but then again I was partying because I wasn't a popular guy in school. I went to Roosevelt. I went to high Franklin D Roosevelt. Yeah, but I wasn't a popular guy in school. I was just like the average guy in school A ugly guy. Yeah. Yeah girls pay no attention to of that kind of stuff But then when I got hooked up with my brother Then everything started opening up where women started coming to me or girls started coming to me because now I'm popular I'm I went over a popular brother And uh, we're doing these parties. What was your name during that time? Cecil arms. Okay. You just knew yes. Cecil arms wrong. It's just Cecil arms wrong. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then so I wasn't used. I mean I got used to this thing. It was good. It was going fast But something just wasn't right my spirit wasn't right and so to say so In 1979 Okay 7879 I told my brother say man, I'm gonna give up the partying thing and let you have the party thing I'm gonna get in church. Wow. I'm gonna go to church. So, uh, you know I wanted to get to the bottom of what life was and what life was all about What what inspired you to even it was just because you got tired of going through that type of lifestyle Or you seen somebody that said something to you or was it just something that was inside of you to see it I want to just start changing my ways. No, I uh, I grew up in the church. I grew up in church. Okay. Okay. I get it I grew up in the church. I always the all we knew was church I was we had a little uh quartet singing So I grew up in the church and that's all I knew and so now After being denied these girls and this attention For so long now I'm getting the the tension The church feeling came in Okay, so I say uh, I'm I'm I'm gonna go back to church But I wanted to get to the bottom of what life is and what life was really all about You know, because I always thinking about black people's always at the bottom. Why we y'all Bottom how old were you when this was when but that was in I was about I was about uh, 20 something about 20 maybe 24 Okay, young soul searching. Yeah, 23 24 So I'm in that area and uh, so uh, I'll just say we at the bottom Why we at the bottom and the the thing with I could find out by going to church I'm gonna go I'm gonna start at church. I say white people Is the beginning of civilization and all that type of stuff. Where do we come from? That's the way I thought where do we come from? What do we do? BAM, so I went and got into the church And uh, church of garden christ and church of garden rights to me was kind of a backwards on certain different things They were real real strict, you know, but we jammed though I played drums in the church, but we jammed in everything and then so I left there And I got into the baptist church Did you get your answers though? Well, it was a long journey Just stop I went to the baptist church And the baptist church you could do almost anything, you know, you know, just as long as you on sunday You all right, you know, you can you can smoke behind the pool up here. I'm not not But I'm not behind the building behind the building and stuff like that Just you can get away with a lot of different things where you you know couldn't get at church of garden Christ, you know and all that type of stuff, but also what at the baptist church I was able to get my License to be a preacher because so we you know, we uh, uh, we admired Preachers, you know, so I just don't want to be just a member in the church. I want to be something. I want to be I don't say about our day and I got my license I guess he's playing sprinkle some water on me And stuff like that But then again because I was in the church and I just came from the partying part. I wasn't used to just being idle So I started a radio Uh show called half hour gospel power on ksky radio station 660 on your am dial I started that and I was doing uh, I did that for about a year. I think Doing thing I was the first one to bring the winons the winons The album we went to uh Andre Crouch house They had the james cleven workshop I went up there. They had the Went to uh, Andre Crouch was introducing the winons to the public And they came out with that hit song called the question is and so uh, I got that album probably back The dallas and put it on my radio show and it was it was a hit You know, wow So how do you get linked to a lady that this practice in buddhism? I told you it's a long journey I'm telling so so I was doing uh the buddhism And I also I said I was since I'm gonna be in church You know, I'm gonna eat me a woman because I know I need me as a woman. So I married Uh, uh, uh a young lady. I married her and uh That marriage last about one year You know Last about one year and you are minister at this time. Now. I wasn't really a minister just say I was Wanted to be a minister. Okay, I ain't do them a three sermons. Oh, I find three sermons. I know ain't gonna be no preacher I know I ain't gonna be no preacher. That's a three sermons, you know, so uh So but we had separated and then so I was going through that was in 78 79 Okay, and she got pregnant. We had our child and everything. So it was just about a year Just lasted about a year and then so, uh, uh I was just going through, you know separated Trying to figure out what I wanted to do It was just, you know, you're just trying to you know, just trying to find yourself. So I left I left, uh dallas Uh left dallas. I was working at the uh grocery store. Like I'll tell you This lady came out of the grocery store. Japanese lady came out of the grocery store And said, oh, are you happy? I said, yeah, I'm happy I'm sure I'm happy, you know, but I was uh laughing on the outside but crying on the inside because I'm going through this separation Don't know what I want to do, you know, you know and everything she said, oh, I want to introduce you to something I said, okay So she came and picked me up and we went to Irving and was in this And you've never met her before I never met her before And uh, so we were Irving and they was in this room Different nationalities was in this room. It had a scroll And they was chanting. I'm your whole ring get your I'm your whole ring get your You know, I dedicate my life to the universal law of cause and effect through sound. That's what it meant That's what it meant. I never knew what it meant I've always heard it, but I'd never knew the music again. I dedicate my life to the universal I said, yeah, I'm your whole ring get yo Tina Turner I see them movies too. Yeah, she did so uh, uh, so I was lacking the vibe But this time I was going through like I said I was going through but I had a sister in Chicago And uh, I had put some resumes out to work for a radio station because I had did the ksky thing So I'm gonna say let me make my career being in radio. And then so, uh, uh They called me back and said I can come to Chicago and make the radio sales in Chicago. And so That when she introduced me in 1980 and 80 or 81 81 80 I went to uh, Chicago I left Dallas in Chicago and signed up and I started practicing buddhism for eight years. Wow He's stuck with that for eight years for eight years How did you call the discipline that they gave you? I was just about to see why there was a discipline Uh, uh, that you that you really enjoyed about them is because you had had that that fighting spirit Hey, you know, when they tell you do something. Hey, you got to go to it. You got to sit down and make stuff happen when we bring in uh dignitaries from the uh from the set We'll bring them in and we have to set up things like we're doing a presidential election or a presidential campaign Where we have to go have we have a control center We have a person here got to do this person got to do that We have different chores we had to do we had to sleep in the community center To ask the security guards or the protection for the for the Gahanza Wow, and when I think about buddha, I'm thinking about people would have to shave their heads So that's not no, there's a certain set. They have to do that We were those are more like we would I find out that the set that I was practicing Is like the jojoba witness is a buddhism So when you how did you end up and I want to go too fast, but how did you end up getting out of it? How did you get out of it? How did you end up? I wouldn't like I wouldn't know creepy blue Eight years you only did it for eight years. So I did eight years Because I was yeah, but I was on the search I'm still I said what I said I want to get to the bottom of truth with life It isn't what life was about was about well, I did it eight years then I started uh when I started the comedy thing When I started the comedy thing it led me to a lot of different stuff To the third eye conference where I started learning about apocentric and uh the pyramids and so I got a chance to meet Dr. John Henry clock. So is that the reason why you stopped doing practicing? Why you stepped out of buddhism? Like at the end of the eight years, why did you say okay? This is not for me Let me keep on this search. Well, what I found out I really didn't like organized religion so to say And what I started finding out is It became too like I became like I want to dress like a Japanese. I want to Eat this, you know, that's it. What about my culture? What about Black people because I'm trying to get to the bottom See like every time a culture that's on top See like black people mimic those people It because we have no confidence within ourselves I agree with that, you know, and so I started getting myself concerned with that Okay, so I went into like I said apocentric. I went to went to Chicago uh practice there I lost my job. I mean they told me agree with me three weeks three months to get myself together as a salesperson at the radio station Well, I didn't make a sale in a month and they let me go And so I'm sitting there I'm sitting there trying to get uh, uh, uh, uh, figuring out what I'm going to do So what I did is I had a little money left. I got me, uh, uh, got me, uh Some armor all Some dishwashing liquid liquid And uh in a brush And it's a guy had a service station Sitting on the corner of 51st and carnail So I went to him and say hey man y'all they did they had a service station. They had a mechanic shop in there So I said hey man, uh, don't y'all need these cars clean when uh, uh When they get through service and I don't do you want to turn them into a no dirty car He's a uh, yeah, we can do that. So I can I do that service? Yeah, I'm sure I'll give y'all, uh five hours Every every third car y'all get five I get 10 first two cars in mind The third car is yours. That's the way we did it Wow, and I made I made me some money. So some money. How do you end up? On the stage doing comedy It's a process so So the the service that as Chicago wasn't working out, you know My sister found that I had made my money and I had stacked it So next thing you know, she wanted some money, you know, I said well Let me get me a plane take and get up out of here because I'm gonna be broke You know dealing with you know, every time I finally I got some money She's gonna you know, she wants to go to Chicago or she was in Chicago. Yeah, so you like that so I'm sorry Yes, I had park over Obama was from. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I say let me get my money so I came back to Dallas in 81 and uh, uh started a car wash business in Dallas And you know, it was kind of like it was different to Chicago Chicago kind of close Dallas is kind of spread out So it was kind of like working but it wasn't working and things of that nature. So what I did was went around Some painting body shops. I went around painting body shops and asked them Do they need the cars clean, you know, they had certain certain things. Well, this guy had a car Where a woman somebody threw a brick over a bridge and killed the woman in the car And had blood and stuff and everything is they need somebody to clean that car And so I took that job on the cleaning that car and I did it so well They kept on finding me other works to work to do So I'm calling body shops doing the work doing the work And then I came up on a body shop that was real doing real good Very organized and they have an inside wash person and they needed an inside wash person And I took that job So I took that job and then at the meantime I was going around the clubs, you know, because I had another friend named Hogi who who's a dj and he was doing a lot of different things and he had a band And so I was hanging around with him and I'd be in the club and I'd be saying, oh shuck a duck I just said, you know, it was just a phrase that I said all the time What did you get a phrase from? I just don't know it's just something that I said all the time, you know If a girl go if I see a girl Coming with some gossip I said, oh shuck a duck So what people say you are the originator of that phrase? I am the originator of that phrase. Okay, just check it out. I am I am the originator of the phrase But I can't tell you I just go say put this together put this together and say it came that way All I can say that I'm saying the phrase I'm saying shuck a duck as I was saying. Oh shuck a duck. It's just in the I could have got it from sookie sookie now or something. I don't know how I got you but I just said it Oh shuck a duckie and then so uh And then I see a fine girl say oh shuck a duckie and the ladies would laugh The ladies would I mean your automatic labs, but I didn't think this was in 81 So I didn't really think anything about uh, think about all about that And then so uh, so I went on and went on And I was uh the car wash day. I was getting tired of washing these cars So I used to work for a hospital and so I uh went back went back to them and started working for this, uh This hospital in a 80 by 82 by 82 I started working for the uh went for the hospital And so after I did the hospital for a little while I got tired of uh, uh, I got you know got I got a little bit tired of it Oh, oh, you know just washing pots and pans and things of that nature I want to do something big so I did the hospital thing and uh But in 1984 practicing buddhism We wanted to go to japan to mount fuji to see the temple to go be in the grand temple Okay, I didn't have any money During this time the phrase where's the beef was real popular With uh, jesse jackson running for president of the united states Gary heart and mondale also was running for president of the united states Gary hard got in something with donald rice or some sort like that And he was talking and so they was talking this campaign debate about policies and and uh Gary hard had an economic policy that he was trying to present and and so mondale's say uh, where's the beef? You know because that phrase was real popular. I said, well, okay, then phrase real popular Shoot I can make me some t-shirts. Where's the beef and sell them t-shirts and make me that three thousand dollars I need to go to japan. Mm-hmm and uh, and you did Well, I I I What somebody told me I couldn't do it because it's when it belongs to uh, windies But see I was reading a newspaper article and I saw the people that did the campaign for it And I called the advertising agency in new york The advertising agency told me to call windies international And then winning in an action windies international told me to call pro sports Who had the license agreement to sell where's the beef t-shirts across the country? And so I signed with them. They sent me down the the promotional package with they had t-shirts in there They had mugs They had bumper stickers and then they said they're gonna come out with a country and western song called where's the beef? I said wow And then so clara the old woman got in trouble with windies for doing a spaghetti commercial using that phrase In a spaghetti commercial Then she turned around and without permission without permission right because you got permission Yeah, well, I had got permission. I had a and I had a got a contract to sell exactly And then so when she did that then the whole campaign kind of like died down And then so I had nothing to do that was in 84 Then in 85 my friend hoagie that did the band and did gj He wrote a rap record called get live in 85 And so I put all my money behind promoting him. We had the brackets printed up We went to different clubs We you know, that was our promotion. That was my promotion. I said, I'm gonna stick behind. I had posters and everything And so I said, well, man, we got to hear it because at the end of 85 ain't nothing, you know, ain't nothing else happening So so we worked that campaign until december And then then when december came along we sit down And we started talking about what we're gonna do for 86 And said hoagie said, well, I'm gonna come up with in the mix in 86 I said, okay, I'll tell you what y'all do the in the mix in 86 I said, I'm gonna do this shuckie-duckie thing I think I think this phrase can really come and take this home concept and where to be because they send me down It's promotional, so I'm just going by what they did on the promotional background I said, well, hoagie since you a rapper write that song for write me a shuckie-duckie theme song Then I say, uh, the guy that was practicing buddhism was a graphic artist. I said, hey, man Won't you write me a logo with a shuckie-duckie? I said, since I'm a bus driver put that salute in there because every bus driver slew this self Can I wear glasses? I said put the glasses on and anything like so he did that Then I had another friend of mine who was a dancer. She came up with a shuckie-duckie dance I still can't do it today What kind of dance they was and then so while they was doing all that together I had started got a hotel so I could do me a big party and this was doing the march madness of 1986 There's the march madness. That's when it happened during the march 1986. And so I was dating this girl And uh, she called me and she said uh, uh, uh, what do shuckie-duckie mean anyway And my mom was saying instead of cursing or still saying shit say shuckie-duckie Okay, I said, yeah, and then so my mom is a type of person who likes to look up words So we looked up the words we look at in ducky, right? Okay. We looked at the word shucks Shucks is a slang word that expresses Disappointment. Oh, okay. Okay. Ducky Ducky is an irish term or irish phrase That expresses excitement pleasure So they're like almost total opposites totally opposite and then so uh, so me and my mom put the Definition together. We say hey shuckie-duckie could be a phrase that means disappointment or excitement Instead of cursing when you stomp your toe you say shuckie-duckie if you see a fine girl a guy you like you say Oh shuckie-duckie is hot new and fun to say you shuckie-duckie in your vocabulary today We had 10,000 flyers printed up in 1986 and every concert that came to Dallas I was passing them out with that with that definition on it in the phrase Passing it out and that was there before the comedy before everything for the comedy before the comedy And then I said, okay, you just selling the phrase before people even doing all of that phrase I got with me an entertainment lawyer We used to name the jasper roll and we did the copyrights to it Then we turned around and did the trademark to it and then uh, um We did a market survey because as I was driving the bus in north Dallas Well, they had a thing called community education Continuing education. It was like funny called like funny So anything you need to know it was like a little course that you could take for a week or two And teach you to ins and out. So I took this course on how to market your ideas I took this course on how to get publicity. I didn't help Yes, it helped the whole lot. So when I got because jerry oaks the guy who I took the course from he was the one The promoter behind the mood ring And so yeah, he did the mood ring. So he uh, uh Showed me how to you know to really set up for marketing So what we're going to do is going to do the whole shucka-decky thing for kids And so we went and got some kids to come into the to the room and we had this little close in case Where we can uh, uh, see the kids we can see the kids but the kids can see us So we wanted to get their Idea, uh, what how what they feel about this shucka-decky thing and they really wasn't really feeling it They you know, look you know, yeah, but one of the kids said well if eddie murphy was to do this Say this this would be cool I said, okay. Well, I knew I couldn't afford no eddie murphy Yeah, I was gonna say So I say oh stand up comedy Stand up comedy be good, but I didn't know anything about stand-up comedy and so What I did So because of that little kid, that's where all of that calls what the little kid said and What I did was they had open mic night down at the west end in dallas I went up. I told a little bus driver joke When I came out stage this guy said hey, man I like your voice And I like the stage presence He said there's an organization called the comedy gym that teaches you the ins and outs of stand-up comedy I said really? Yeah, and it was over in greenville in north dallas So I went to the funny bone went there met the guy named sam cox And his partner named author and he told me yeah We can see to you how much is the course course was like $325 I said, well, can you got a let you got a railway plane? Can I pay a little bit on here and a little bit there? He said, yeah, we can do that. Bam. So I started taking that was an 87 that was 87 so it was an 87 So I started taking a course. I did that whole course for a year We did uh, we will go and get the improv on a monday night when it was closed Bring in all the people that we can all our friends and family so we can get three minutes to five minutes of time So we can present our comedy So we did that for a whole year enough practice Yeah, well, yeah year and then so and uh, we did that a whole year But but but we made I made my comedy debut In 88 march how you show guys March 3rd march 14 1988 I Bam I feel like I was kind of like sort already Sort already and then so we started doing shows and then the guy who was the first person you went on the road with Went on the road like a permanent name Coming up Oh shoot. I really didn't go on the road uh Back then they didn't have um comedy tours No, no, no comedy was really 91 92 Comedy was really coming into his own. Okay. It was coming. It was really was coming into his own because uh Back in 86 87 88 Uh, it was mostly the white guys Yeah, yeah, even at the improv comic strip live They was a lot of high school. I mean a lot of college Guys doing the comedy Wow, um, so But who okay, I know how to get to it. Um, How did you end up on the Apollo? Through steve hard How did you meet steve hard? Okay, just just i'm trying to get to it. See okay 88. I did my debut So I was working through the doing the 88 doing my little thing doing everything I had to do and then so The uh, the guy that was teaching the course Back in 91. He took us to LA In 91 he took us to LA for a uh Showcase at the improv in Santa Monica. Okay. I did my little spiel In Santa Monica came off the stage A guy who was a casting director for hard copy said I like you I like your comedy everything, but I can't do anything for you in texas You got to come to california So when I got back to dallas you packed in 91 at the bus company I gave my reverence the resonations say i'm from gary to go To california california everybody was a man you be back You you be back They love saying that I sure was trying to get back to It was it was he was struck. How long did you stay in LA for me? I stayed that time in 91 I went in there about june or july of 91 And I started coming back home by november of 91 Oh, not very long very long because it was it was a hard gram. It's a more hard gram to it So, uh, I but I had a son Back in in dallas and try to do my career and still thinking about him So I told everybody I was coming back to visit for thanksgiving But really I all my stuff was packed up in the car But I really was concerned about my son and so I came uh came back And then when I came back they say man They got a comic thing placed at the rim bird called buku ray and steve harbors, you know Is over that it's okay We'll run and meet steve harb and he was a big name at that time. No, he wasn't no big name. No, okay Trying to come up. He won a big name at that time. Okay. And so, uh, I I went to buku ray in that november Showed steve my resume Uh, he looked at it, you know and then so I went in the bathroom So I went in the bathroom And got in the stall they came behind me Him and his partner came behind me and they was talking discussing me saying no He got this resume here and he uh, he uh, uh, been around the white folks I don't think you're gonna be able to handle this club, you know, they don't even know that you're in the stall Right, even though i'm in the stall because they ain't gonna be able to handle these, uh, uh, you know, this black This is a black crowd. You don't even handle this crowd. Okay. And so when they left and I got out Then it was time to he called me up on the stage When he called on the stage and that shaggy ducky hit Bam Because everybody, you know, because a lot of comedians thought it was corny A lot of comedians thought it was, you know, uh, that I was just trying to get myself a fancy name To uh, uh, to be above everybody But what I was doing was promoting the phrase. I was trying to make a phrase popular Yeah, because you had the phrase way before the comedy had the phrase way before the comedy So I was trying to make the phrase because when I first started out it was like Cecil I'm strong the funniest bus driver in America better known as shaggy ducky Too long Then I said, okay, uh Funniest bus driver in America Shaggy ducky still to I say what I'm trying to promote. I say shaggy ducky. I'm going shaggy ducky So I went with shaggy ducky, you know, and I knew it was going to get some flak Because shaggy ducky is too close to shagging and jiving And so, you know, black people, you know, you were shagging and you know, so they kind of look, you know I knew that but I was willing to take that risk To make that phrase popular And it was just coming it was just and it took a life of its own You know, because people didn't have to put it back to me They played it back to me because they was liking it because I was really innocent and enjoying doing it out of joy And fun of creating something and making it popular taking something from nothing and making it popular So when did the side when did the quack quack come in? It came in when hoagie wrote the rap record He wrote the rap record and he put on that You maybe got this crazy Santa going around me. Oh shaggy ducky quack quack And so I just thought put it in the in the in the phrase bam Shaggy ducky bam quack quack just put it in put it in the frame Got it. You know just having fun. I mean everyone's just having fun and innocent But what I find out in the comedy world and entertainment world if you succeeded people My name succeeded a lot of people Like I'll I'll tell people I was the internet comedian before the internet Because I went viral Before a lot of comedians some big comedians was established that name would when when passed them And they had to you know, he always asking about shaggy ducky But at the same time even though I did the 88 debut and it did 91 I still was developing as comedy was concerned. I still didn't have enough material And then so uh, mind the fact in 91 In 92 Steve Harvey Left vukeray. Okay. And so uh, uh, when he left I'm going I'm going with Steve Harvey I'm going with you know where the action is and things of that nature but but uh, uh, he left in november and then so, uh, They got a call from comic view They got a call from comic view and they said hey The comic view is looking for some Dallas comedians And they're like, yeah Steve ain't here no more Shucky, you know, somebody can do it. I said, well, I'll tell you what I'm gonna help y'all get these comedians But then after that I'm going with Steve and then so, uh, uh I put it all together To get the comedians and we draw straws so we go first we go second because I wanted to be fair fair So I did draw the straws and then I was the one who got the Dallas comedians on the market I got those who came I don't want to put them out there. Wow. So let's go back a little bit I want to go back to you working with Steve Harvey at Vukul lounge. I want Vukul Ray Vukul Ray I want I want to hear about that part, you know, like, how was it working with Steve in these club? Not only Steve, but whoever else? Well, there'll be was it nannette lia or anybody who came through there? What was it like? What was that chemistry? It was hot man. That's what I want to talk about Vukul Ray was hot We had Dallas Cowboys coming in there. We had celebrities coming in there People came to that area because it was really hot and Steve. I mean Steve was the the force behind it because what Steve did what happened when he started the comedy view I mean the Vukul Ray when they started it. They did I think Joe Tory They did Chris Thomas And they weren't getting successful crowds in there And so that was going to shut it down And Steve Harvey was the next person up. So Steve Harvey came in and they didn't tell him That they was going to shut it down And Steve said no, no, no, man. Don't don't shut it down. Don't no, no, no So give me on the radio. He said get me on the radio and they hooked up with uh, Willis Johnson kkkda And Steve Harvey going on that radio BAM That's that that play start filling up. Wow Filling up and then Steve started bringing in some the top comedians D. L. Hugley A. J. Jamal Bernie Mack he started bringing him he started bringing bringing them in bringing them in at places rocking rocking It's rocked from 92. I know from 92 Till he left in November What about a Bernie Mack you you brought his name on a big Bernie Mack fan as well and r.r.p To bring like how was it? Did you get to meet and talk with Bernie Mack Bernie Mack? Okay. What was that conversation? I'm not much. I mean, you know, very he had very little words to say, but you know, he was still developing his Yeah at that time You know, uh, uh, you know, but I didn't talk. I mean, I wouldn't like a buddy buddy. Yeah. Yeah Or standing around You know, he was still like everybody, you know, like everybody else What did you think when you've seen how his career Because I want to talk about him for a second how his career Blemished, you know, after I mean, you know, how it blew up after that after what after, you know After all the years and you start seeing him on tv you start because he passed away now I just want to know how how you thought what you thought about it Well, you know to make it big you got to have a you got to have an organization around you Yeah, of course you got to have a manager's talent You know, there's a lot of deals that's made that you know to get you where you need to get to and a lot of Relationships that you have with other people Uh, but bernie manning just had he had that flare, you know, where he just you know Step kept on grinding kept on grinding kept on grinding, you know, but you know, he uh bernie mac was on deaf jam twice Okay, he was at the first time it was just just regular then the second time When that person got booed And he had to go out there and he did I ain't scared of you mother when he did that that phrase Right there parallel and put him up there. That's what that phrase that phrase that attitude see because it's not written with the material It's your confidence Your your swagger your style. Yeah, all of that plays Plays a part into it and he did when he did that that that parallel them right now And so and that and that took him to where he needed to be to get to notice Yeah, it took him to uh where he wanted to be and then when the kings of comedy pool, uh, they put all that together When they put that together then, you know, bernie mac was the Didn't even was the strongest Well, well said say he really closed but when they they edited they made it bernie mac, uh, we like to close it because it was had the high pitch on it, but But you know, but bernie mac was was a was a force. Yeah, bernie mac was Steve being at that club and then leaving and you know, he blew up you went with him finally like you wanted to I wouldn't see the thing was Steve. Steve was very helpful to me. Um, I gotta give him He's very helpful He was very I didn't I didn't talk to him either. I talked. I mean, I'm a loner man So you didn't really talk with him. Well, I'm gonna tell you the reason why I don't really, uh You know, I don't say get along with other comedians or get along people All my life has always been a I've been a sidekick to people All my life has been like with my brother Okay, if thing we did the party and thing, you know, so I was riding off of his Thing when I was in the college of guy who's a musician who did I was riding off his thing When I was in elementary school, it was a guy named keith who was a fast track star I was hanging but when I started saying something a good day character That I didn't like it didn't remind Then I'm shunned You get what I'm saying? So I'm I'm shunned. So my thing was I got to be my own self-man and stand alone Whether it take me a hundred years Or two years or whatever it is. I've got to be my own self-man But to be in the how long was you over there at the at the uh, Voku with uh, steve. Uh, we we we about the from November to november of a year Yeah for about a year and you guys would see each other passing and y'all would have to work together and conversate So and you say help you a lot, but how was it? Yeah, but Steve was a was a very shy person too See he didn't see he didn't associate with a lot of people see steve know how to steve know how to maneuver behind the scenes Steve know what what steve is a business type of thing thinking person. He know how to strategize He know what to do So as he was dealing with you, uh, how did how did he how did he help you in your career? He got me on a polo When he when he got got a selected for a polo He said i'm gonna get you on the polo. He's coming here and told you that he's gonna get me on the polo How did he how did he come single he just walked in the room and told you because i was because i was working with him a lot I mean i i i like to say i don't get it. Nobody's away. Yeah, and i'm not really Uh, he liked your personality. He liked me. Yeah, you know, he liked me. Do you still talk to him today? No, I do not talk to him there. Had when the last time you spoke to steve. I've been lying It's been a long time. What 10 years Long Long time man. I ain't talking 20 years. I ain't talking. I ain't I ain't I ain't talking. Why do you I guess cause people Evolve and move on. Yeah. I mean he's on a different level than I am for as you know I'm gonna take them. I'm gonna say evoke array Me and steve is sitting in a limousine The lines wrapped around the building steve harvey We in the limousine She said she said look at that shot. Look at that line So i'm gonna be big man I'm gonna be big as eddie murphy I said, yeah, right So you didn't believe it. No, I mean, I just said right, you know He's big just big as eddie murphy. He had to do more work Than eddie murphy, but it just is big You had to see him because you see him because you saw him coming from where he came from to where he is today But you say he did he did more work than eddie murphy, but you don't know how much work eddie murphy did. Do you? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm what i'm saying. What i'm saying is Eddie murphy did movies and did certain night live where he blew up See eddie murphy Create put the sex appeal into comedy Where steve harvey had to do a lot. He did radio. He did television. He did that's what i'm saying when he did He had to do so much To get there for ass, but see what really What really put steve harvey over was that book That would make them bigger than the life was that book Yeah, but when you when you say you you guys sending limos together I know he talked about sleeping in cars cars didn't have much when he first was you know in dallas and all that And you know just the way he got to apollo when he takes you and you guys go to apollo When he said i'm gonna get you on it. He already doing the Hosting apollo at that time. Yeah, he was an apollo that and he just said i'm gonna get you on there Where he said that at the club that he's gonna give me on the apollo He said i've just got on but i wasn't the only somebody you know, he had a whole bunch of people correct, you know Then we went over my over my material and he told me need to do this do this do this You know apollo is like this new york is like this. He did you know, you know, he did You know, he talked with me and so when i did it i hit it I mean i knocked it out of the park and uh But then again, he was gonna take a reason type of person though that if you if you do something for you You know, you better you gotta praise him you want to praise him about so you got to kiss up to you gotta praise him You know and in what way though, you know, just you know, who got you on apollo? Oh, he said that in front of you I don't say that by front of people then you say to them who you don't follow, you know like that You know, yeah, you did. I appreciate that, you know, but you know, I had to do something too You know, you know, you know, just you know, but you know That's good. But to me that's good in some sort of because you have a lot of people who help people and People act like they're the only ones who did it nobody actually gave them a leg up So I admire that because sometimes honestly some people have to you have to drill it in people's head Because you don't think about a lot of people he gave advice to a lot of people Some people took it didn't like it and some people right So you have to take it in but I but you have to take criticism and Well, in instruction or advice is up to you to decide whether you want to use it or not Yeah, there's a lot of stuff I should have used that that he gave me, you know Tell me give me a lawyer. Give me uh, this, you know, and you didn't well, I did You know, I'm I did, you know, but I didn't get the right one Okay, you know, so, uh So it's a lot of stuff. He did. I mean, it's the It I he didn't do anything to me Right. No, he might now people come to me that they said they done He did something to them, but he never done any really thing to me. Yeah, I've heard so many different stories I'm see good and bad because he's such a big name. He's gonna you you're gonna get that You're gonna get a whole lot of people. I mean they lie on me. Yeah, you know, uh, so but What's the biggest lie you've ever heard about you? Then I got booed, uh, then I got booed, uh on deaf jam And then they did in the house and then uh, uh, and the chris rock Destroyed my career Out of chris. Where did that come from that? Yeah, uh Mike ebb said that Mike ebb said that on uh on the breakfast club. Why would he say something like that? Because Okay, when I when I did deaf jam So I had to go I had to go so much so back so much stuff happening. See when I try to get on deaf jam in One I gave steve harvester tape steve harvester showed it to the deaf jam people And the deaf jam people said no, I don't think he can you know do the same thing. It's easy They can't do no, you know, no black cut is a steve said they didn't they didn't they don't think you can do it okay Then so bill bellamy came down to boo hooray good show So I was working with bill bellamy And bill bellamy lived in new jersey And the peppermint room made the decisions on who can be on deaf jam So bill billamy told me hey man, won't you come up to uh New jersey So when the tickets got real cheap, I got my ticket went up there Did real good came down The guy uh, uh barb somerset you're gonna be on deaf jam And I said okay, so I get back to dallas We're on the tom jonah show Let's whisper to don't tom jonah about it He said can we talk about it? I said no, we can't talk about it. We can't talk about it And then uh, he kept on nugging me and I said yeah, let's talk about it Y'all be on time Be on deaf jam. They said shut gonna be on deaf jam bam and then when deaf jam came To do the airing they didn't call me Wow Then but I called them And then they said me letter say you we call you don't you call us? You know and then so and Then I just said man, they don't want to they want that old nasty come They don't want that, you know clean come because I had to sit back and realize I didn't really fit deaf jam mold I wasn't really talking about you know Pussy, you know, I was you end up on there, right? Yep Well, because what happened be a cosby said something about deaf jam And then they changed hosts modern Left and so they got joturi to be the host so they now they need a new crop of comedians And so I was working with Tina Graham Who's a was a assistant to barb something so she she was pushing for me to get on there And then I finally got on But they wouldn't expect me to hit Like I hit I mean, I didn't knock him out the park I didn't have him fall him, but I was I was I was steady In my jokes and I was steady in the performance. So who's hosting when you was joturi Joturi was the whole when joturi were hosting and everything was was steve still involved at this time or no? Uh, I think I think we was I think we was going out. I think we hit because the club it broke up Uh, I think it was going on several ways. There was everything that did you get on the deaf jam deaf jam? And so now they're coming back with the all-star deaf jam This is where you get a celebrity host And the person that did good on deaf jam headlining. Okay. Okay. I was picked I was picked. I did deaf jam one time Now I'm a celebrity. I'm I'm an all-star deaf jam participant Okay, the person that's gonna host minds is chris rock Okay, all right, and then so uh chris rocks gonna host minds and then they said, uh They wanted to change my manager called me say he wanted to change They want to change from chris rock to mark curry. They won't mark. They won't be with mark curry You want to change mark curry for chris? I said, no, I won't say I'm gonna stay with chris rock I'll chris rock no eddie murphy because the reason why I did the do understand that comedy because what the little boy said If eddie murphy wants to do this, yeah, maybe I can feel that friendship but in it And so I said, okay We'll do it that way Also, I still wasn't developed. I really I don't hate about so many minutes or the material Yeah, and then I had some sheer power power, but I'm a marketer So if I knew if I give up all of this just this other good material I'm gonna have to start writing and I know I'm not a great writer So I was dancing around those jokes Just dancing around putting patching here and patching that and patching that even though it worked a little Because you know, you can go in edit and make stuff look good It you know get good. So help dance the comedians know what I was doing You know, maybe the audience didn't know what I was doing And then so when chris rock Came down to shuck a duck and need some jokie wokies. Oh, he said that he said that he said Whoa, wait a minute. This is good stuff now. We're both talking. Get in there now. Wait a minute. I didn't hear that See, yeah, he said Jokey wokies man. Come on, bro. So he the attitude and he said that on the stage Yeah, he says it on the stage, but it didn't air because reading why you know why it didn't air Why because I told him not to air it you told him. Don't worry. I told and they listen to you They didn't have to listen to me. They listen to you though. Yeah, you know So when chris rock said that did you ever talk to him or say anything to him? You know, we hugged he said, um, you know He's we hugged a little bit when he's uh, and he said we're gonna get I'm gonna get you something or do something like that but you know my ego and you're in your You know, you have your ego or like, I'm gonna throw me no bone. You know, you know My ego he wanted to try to make it up to you because he said that I don't know if he wanted to make a No, I didn't get to get the friendship to do that. Like I said, I'm a loner But in his and he really he said that Yeah, he might have a reason right when I think about comedians Comedians be on stage saying all sorts of stuff about everybody else and you know, so it's just you got to understand this though I wasn't a genuine comedian. Correct. I was a person who's trying to create a phrase and make the phrase popular So I don't really know all the culture and my thing was I'm un-good at talking about people in the audience Or talking about nobody because I had all kinds of faults. You can just wipe my ass out I gotta ask you this now. You you shouldn't have said all that because now you gotta answer this Well, I gotta say because you don't gave me too much information Uh, when when when chris rock gets slapped on stage at this point This has been years later now, but you see this because the world reacted to it What did you think? Well, I didn't even see it. Uh, Brutman Brutman called me Brutman called me hamburger called me Chucky, did you see it? I see what? I didn't see nothing because they knew the story about jokie walkie too. They knew the story. Yeah That's made sense to me. They they knew the story and I said, uh, I said no And then they said bam, he he slapped her So I had to go back and go find go find it And then I saw it said I said, oh, okay, you know, I don't condone the slap, but I understand No, no, you know, I get it because I understand, you know, cause you know the bible say you reap what you sow You know, I know you studied booties in my study the bible Yeah, but if you do something it'll come back on you That's why you gotta be careful what you do because everybody's watching y'all's careers But in that case everybody's done something at one point or the other but at the end of the day I'm just saying some people's come in some way. Some people come in another way. I'm just saying yeah, that was uh, that was uh If I'm looking as a person to spectate almost a dang, you know He had his run on saying certain things about certain people where people didn't like it before Yeah, yeah And he used to he used to down the deaf down comedians see what I'm saying He's put because you know what he said because I told him don't air mines You know what his uh agent told me we was in the fire escape talking about it He wanted to know how to shuck a duck and get so popular and only did one deaf jam Yeah, he didn't know the work God had been using you to do when you was when he was working and doing all the passing the Flyers out put his name out there. That was a foundation bill But you know something shuck a duck ain't for everybody to even know so he ain't gonna know everything Right, he didn't know that he he didn't even know that but see in this business is a standard comedy You want your name to reign supreme? I don't want to have to put funny hilarious All I had to want to put is Shucky ducky brandy mac Steve Harvey Kevin Hart, you know, they funny But your name ring just like that right to this day I know and Even when I had Slack and I'm gonna tell you another thing. I had my nerves break down on stage too. I had a on stage I had another nervous breakdown on stage um After I was after I did the uh the deaf jam all this stuff was happening I uh, I got Cashed in a in a in a stage play Called a fool in his money. David tower the guy who did baggage claim in the first sunday He the one produced at the stage play. Yeah, and I played uncle skeeter in the plate And I did such a good job. I became second billing, you know, the second person to be Uh, introduced next next to the last person be introduced And uh, so I did that and then The the comedy just wasn't going like, you know There's like what like I wanted to because I still couldn't get developed like I wanted to because I did the stage play So I did another stage play called a woman's fed up I did the woman's fed up And uh at the meantime They called me to do some stand up. I still wasn't right where I needed to be So the guy said man We got your own it paid me some pretty good money and he said uh, uh You're gonna headline So I get to this in second hour, michigan. I get to second hour, michigan and uh I'm gonna headline this thing, but I'm kind of nervous Because I still like, you know, I just feel like I'm just I'm still not confident. I feel like I'm not the right counter Come y'all still ain't really got it really. So I asked the guy say man, can I host the show? Oh, no, you can't host the show You're the headline. You're the biggest name on it on the ticket, you know, I said, okay He said, oh, then you know, I do how the black people do you you scared? No, I ain't scared. No, I ain't scared. I was scared. I was scared and then so uh So I said, well, let me take a drink. I give me a drink And uh, you know, maybe I'll give me a little calm it down I took that first drink Then I went uh, were you drinking at that time? Were you like a drinker? I was not really not a really really really really nervous. He's trying to cool. He's trying to get I'm trying to get myself together. I'm trying to be I'm trying to be uh, be balls on be balls on that damn Show up with that with that s on his chest, baby. Then so uh, uh, I took that drink and then I got behind the stage Took another drink and then his wife gave me a drink Too many drinks. I was the last one Time I hit that stage all three of them drinks he did at the same time I must have said the same jokes about I don't know how many times I must have said I lost my pockets I cost I cuts the sound man out the light man out. I was embarrassed. It's like I was I was embarrassed I said god, dawg. I said boy. I was just so embarrassed by that Then I say then the circus called me the circus called And asked me do I want to know do Because they saw me in this play with this girl. So they thought me would be a good combination So they called So yeah, I I I'll take the meeting to see what was going on and I took the meeting And next thing, you know, I'm the ringmaster for the universe. So circus. Wow I'll ring so so I did that for almost five to eight years almost 10 years. Wow doing that That's hard Doing that. I don't know why what comes in my mind when you're saying all this stuff is your father Where he said he can make a job out of any make a job And that's that that's what happened to me. I'll take a job I'll make a job I ain't ain't too got no pride to do even the pandemic I so I started uh, because I know I want no top billing comedian And a lot of everybody started park ads and all like I'm a man physically worker I like physically work. Yeah, and so I so I started a law service business So I made money doing law service. I want to ask you about I want to go back to Steve I'm not the Steve to the to the Apollo. I got to get back into that Apollo is yours Not about Apollo But you know with the comedy that you've been talking about you keep saying that You didn't feel like your comedy was up to the par where you wanted it to be when In all this time, when did you feel like you reached to that point? Did you ever reach to that point? I reached well, I start watching Kevin Hart Wow Because I said, well, I'm gonna get the material from okay Richard Pryor Eddie Murphy, Bill Cosby are superstars We we'll we'll feel like we'll never get to that point But the person that really brought black comedians To a point where they can be feel good and comfortable lucrative was Robin Harris We watched Robin Harris We all could be the arriving Harris may not make me might not even get an Eddie Murphy or Richard Pryor Or be a copy but we can get to that. We can get to the Robin Harris because he was down home And I we we loved we loved it So we so get there But it wasn't until I saw Kevin Hart Because Kevin Hart talks about his life I say well shoot if you talk about his life Man, I got a whole bunch of stories I can talk about But how could I put him in that into that comic? Feel feel and then that's what I've been doing. I just I left German. I went to Germany. Uh, yeah, we talked while you was in Germany So I let it go. So my thing was I had started letting loose. I wasn't letting loose. I wasn't being I wasn't loose I was too trying to be Nice guy trying to be structured trying to be this I say I got a little loose when I let loose Them jokes is coming Kevin Hart is a different animal when he come down to just being himself and talking about his family too and doing his thing right and you see his whole Layout and in in the way his comedy came He had some downfall before his peak and that helps too, right? Like Because nobody didn't expect him to be the Kevin Hart. He is a day when I talked to phaser on love He was like me You talking about black foot, you know, he was just a dude that was around, you know Kevin Hart worked hard and he learned from dame cook for highest marketing is concerned Yeah, and he took a chance on himself for as going to clubs, you know, I read the story. I got his books I mean, I read all the way about krispock book burning max book Sid's book deal But I buy I mean I buy books and I read I support them. They don't know I'm supporting them Yeah, but I support them now, you know, I don't you know, I support them I don't say I don't say very much They all a lot of comedians put me down and so I don't say much man I ain't got nothing I ain't got nothing to prove to nobody Because I did what I had to do my name still rings from supreme But there's good or bad because shuck a duck. I mean disappointment or excitement So you go if you go talk me on the bad side, you got me talking on the good side. You got me Let me ask you about the polo I was going a while ago Just to get back to did you what I know jamie fox used to be around that every now and then did you ever run into jamie? No, I saw jamie at the comedy store, but I didn't you know, I died, you know, just passing passing by Yeah, yeah, but but the reason I say that because at that polo it was um I mean, did you go on as a act or did you get booed or was it no, I didn't get booed You didn't act as a as a as a as a Special comedian as a special comedian. Okay. There you go. You probably got me on there When you came out, how was the energy and how many times did you even do the Apollo? I did do all at one time. Okay. It was good. It was good. I mean, I was just myself I just I was just myself and it did I did good. I mean I did The tape is on on my facebook page is on my youtube channel But how was it how was it when you come out there? What what made new york and that whole situation Different than what you'd ever face a lot of time We're afraid of new york because we think you know, it's a hard people Uh and things of that nature and our account was concerned about it being in new york Because it's shucky duck. Yes. Oh man. We think I'm country and all that kind of fun I found a little joke just as countries we are. Yeah, some of the people come from Mississippi and alabama And you know, so the uh, they up in up in new york So they really enjoyed, you know, what I did. I mean they had they had good And matter of fact when I left the Apollo that night I performed Tina Graham was there she said well, they got a club They got a club over across from the Apollo called the perk club the Perkins club or something like that We were just in new york what I called you and I was over there by there It was a Perkins club and so they had a comedy night that night And I just came off this high of being at the Apollo and there was some gangsters in there And uh, they were saying uh, this gangster put up. I got a hundred dollars. Somebody can make me laugh because ain't nobody made them laugh all night hundred dollars You put it up. I walked out there with that hundred dollars in my pocket. Oh man, that's good stuff So you wasn't playing no games with them because I had the joy of comedy It wasn't just having fun with it. I wasn't in the competition with people I just like to have fun and tell my jokes and I learned the way of phrasing the jokes from the comedy class Okay, okay now Now you're trying to bring black experience into it See because I wasn't a comedian that goes deep to sexual or to talking about white people and this all in I wasn't that type of a comedian. So at that era dev jam was an era of Damn in your face type of a comedy What no Into intellectual type of a comedy it wasn't comedy you got to think if you got to think about the comedy in the black clubs They ain't don't want to hear that You you was you was on bet comic view idea comic view What was what was that like dealing with bet and dealing with you know That whole setup that they had arranged for that programming. That was that was that was that was that was really good I mean, matter of fact, like I said, I got the comedians uh from Dallas to get on Comic view, but how was it? Well, did they did they they just filmed it here and broadcasted it? Go somewhere. How was it? Well, they they filmed the One that they filmed all the people here when I gave the straws So they they showed little clips on the vukeray type of thing. Okay, then they started the contest Okay. DL was getting ready to leave. I think DL's getting suing them They had a problem with DL or DL had a problem with them. And so they was getting ready to uh DL's Going to uh go so in order for them to come up with a host they did the contest And so sedri became that uh became the new host of comic view and then so I just got into the contest just for exposure of Chuckie duck you always I just want to get the exposure. I didn't want to win nothing Because I knew what my material was I'll just get the name out. That's all it was and then I wind up winning And then that's that's that's what you gotta do. You see I wind up winning a 30 minute special man And I didn't have I see man. They got 30 minutes of jokes. No any I'm no 30 minutes I said 30 minutes jokes and then I said I said back I told him I got I got a problem He said what I won. He said what's your problem? I ain't got no jokes Wow, and then so but I had I wrote this thing back in uh 81 Title ashamed of being black I wrote that little piece I put that on that special and that's hard man. So after that what was the next when you did uh The indian death jam. Mm-hmm and death jam was one where uh, you know, that was some all these things was so popping back During that time. That was the hottest things out during that time But see between that 92 And 94 I was hitting everything. I was on everything. I was on the Apollo I was on beat these comic view. I was on death jam. I was on uptown comedy. Yeah Uptown comedy club. I was on everything. So I was popping by you did just everywhere You know, so uh, but I was I was trying to find people to help me get that Let me ask you this because and and I'm all you know, the thing I want to understand you Right now we got a different time and a lot of time people get called in amaze Uh, I talked to all the comedians talked to a phase on I talked to carlos miller I talked to all of them. I've talked to country Wayne. I've talked to a bunch of these guys. Um Alex thomas uh run g right and and the list goes on Two different type of comics and I always ask this question to everybody when the internet phase came you had these comics That they learned the internet Matter of fact, kevin hearts one of them actually uh that he figures that out too Because he just dope but a lot of times people struggle with these two worlds One is the internet world where these comment did you got the internet skits the comics? They jump up two three one minute. They do their thing Then you got the traditional ones like yourself who stand on that stage Uh had had that pressure put on them, you know, both two different companies making money Both of them made them worlds making money today. How are you learning to maneuver in them? Do you think the the internet one is one to respect or do you think it's one where they got to grow some more? Or do you feel like the one that basically the traditional way is the way? Both of them in the way Both of them in the way I applaud the internet comedians. See when we were coming up. We had to work on our act Then get exposure Now you can get exposure now. You got to work on your act. It's just reverse It's all it is You know, yeah, there's no really no school for comedians Even though I went to a comedy gym type of a thing if you want to get out there Only way you're gonna get good at comedy You got to get on that stage each and every day and the more you get on that stage The more you express your feelings the more you get your voice to who you are Now what somebody else wants you to be is what you are now everybody ain't gonna like you Everybody ain't gonna get your comedy comedy is what you can relate to if I can relate to it It's funny if I can't relate to it. It's not funny to me. That don't mean you're not funny It's just I can't relate to what you're saying So, you know, you have to be who you are ain't nobody ain't nobody Better than nobody it's just somebody who got the most exposure the person who got to be exposed Everybody talking about the goat between Michael Jordan and and the bronze James and all that kind of stuff What you gonna base it upon if you base it upon skills LeBron James got the skills he can play any position He's got the skills and he makes every city that he in Good for as But if you paint, but you paint it on marketing LeBron James only can affect the cities that he's in Michael Jordan affected the world Michael Jordan who's more excited to watch and they hey, they Michael Jordan all day long Michael Jordan But Michael Jordan so called Michael Jordan was stingy. Yeah, he was selfish. Yeah He was stingy LeBron trying to please everybody Okay, so when you try to please everybody or try to be good everybody and try to be It's boring. Did you ever want to get into any like the acting and all that I did acting I did a I did a movie with Alex Baldwin. Okay, Michael. You say Movie uh thicks thieves. Oh, yeah, yeah brother and put me on that. They was they was that's your boy right there I mean brother man hamburgers those guys are cool too all the time. That's hard man. Like brother man I seen him on uh, I think it was that more than uh, uh The reunion yeah, the reunion uh More than I seen him on there. I was happy to see him again on that on that set man How did you and him even meet? Well, he came to Steve Harvey's comedy club that it was in Dallas and uh, we met met and also we went overseas Went overseas mr. Johnson who was a booking step over s. O. S clubs Uh Was all together. Wow. So brother man's brother man was in that in in in the stand-up comedy before Going on more now at just after now after martin after martin. We felt uh, I think rishon kind of uh rishon who owned a hip hop comedy stop in houston kind of figured it out and he booked uh uh brother man At the uh at his club in houston And we said well, we need to bring him on up here to dallas and so we brought him a you know brought him to dallas at Steve Harvey club, you know, so, uh, you know, it was something that as a character that caught on See sometimes you got to figure out what's what to catch on you never know what the public going to like But if you got a certain type of niche or a certain type of uh, something they like it catches And then you can capitalize on and brother man being a rather original about been capitalizing All this time, you know, you used to be a linebacker for Yeah, he was a bad boy. Yeah, you know, that's what people don't understand man. We whatever your mission is You're gonna get to it. There's nowhere around it. That's your destiny, right? So, I mean, what who would you like to you know, what would you like to do now in this stage in your career? What's the what's the thing that you would like to accomplish? I've come I sit back and thought about my life. I could have accomplished a lot I mean, my my goal was to make shug it like a household word I reached that you did now. I didn't say I was going to be the best comedian You know, but I I can be the best comedian To myself because I'm learning the game You have to learn the game and once I learned that game and I say I saw them say we're Kevin Oh, I do and I say, oh man, I'm ready now. Yeah, I'm I ain't standing on that stage with the best of them And then I said, man, you're an entertainer, man. You can't have no great hair You know people want you I say man, look at him I ain't I ain't trying to be 19. I ain't trying to be I'm trying to be who I am Man, that's the best way to be. I'm gonna be who I am. They like the gray hair They don't like I see them young girls still come after me And if you had to sum it all up your legacy and your dynasty of who you are the legend that you are What would you want people to remember you by? To remember me by yeah, like if they think you know Chuckie Dougie if there was a documentary being wrote up or what would you what key thing element in In your character. Is it the shuckie Dougie name the brain? Well, they have to be the shuckie Dougie name is to say taking something from nothing and making it valuable. Yeah and If you can't if you ain't got a job create you want Wow, yeah, if you ain't got a job don't yet sit back and wait for nobody to give you nothing So then don't I don't sit back and wait. I mean, I like to say Well, when I did this comedy thing man, and I know I gave myself five years to get in and get out And I would make it some money more money that I ever made Well, what would you say? What would you say to a young guy that's looking it's trying to learn how to do What you done like to stand up like to be able to get himself on tv because you're talking You've been on major networks, man You've done things that some guys will never do that would love to be able to do that How would you tell them? What would you tell them to keep them motivated? Well What can I say? Just do it. I mean Don't give up No, you ain't got to give up sometimes you might have to stop and take a breathe and look And evaluate and then they go back for it. You know, a lot of people say don't stop don't don't man, but see If you're doing comedy, you got to get material Yeah, the only way you'll get the material is you got to do more things than just one thing You got to do more stuff than in the newspaper. You got to actually do some serendipity I tried to flip houses house flipped on me After you bombed I say bombed I don't want to say bombed you say bomb Yeah, after you tripped out and and you got drunk And what what did you think the next day? I need to do something else So I need to do something else I like to say I did and that's that's when the circus call. Yeah, then when the circus call Okay, I said I'm gonna do the circus and I became the remaster Looked at the schedule Saginaw was nowhere on the schedule They rearranged the schedule. Wow next thing they ain't second. I was on the schedule. Hey, and then here you go I go time. I get in the hotel. They say oh that dude that cussed us out So what I find out is Don't don't run from nothing don't try to hide from nothing face it face it Whether the criticism is good or bad face it because you're gonna receive it again. You're gonna see it again So you're gonna be true to your so any kind of criticism to come to me. I'm facing it. Man I got a question. So in all these years of Promoting shucky ducky. I know how society is how many people have tried to steal that name Oh, a lot of people don't not try to steal it done it done it. Yeah done it. I mean you To use and I didn't take them to court. I was You know who first one you did uh Who stole question Jones used it. What really and the juke John Sugar ducky quack quack. How did you feel I was I was kind of like Flatter, but Steve Harvey had a manager at the time named uh one One came to me and told me, you know about it. Oh, we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna get out We're gonna get that because you're right, you know, but he turned around and died he died in the limousine And then so I tried to do it myself and then the the attorney The attorney general I'm not attorney entertainment attorney said if I did it it would mess me up in the business He said you probably get 30,000 or something like that. He said because that name right Yeah, it'll mess you up in the business and then I said, okay So I just went on and a lot of people Herman Cain used it Booger tea used it in the wrestling a lot of people used it You know, but you know, I was the first one. I mean I've got the documentation to prove that I was the first one You know, I was doing Pierre show. He's talking about where you stole it And I said, well you still do Signed out of Pierre man. He's doing a hell of a job. He ain't doing a good job. I love this show, man It's so clean. Hey, but you know, uh, I just I always think about you guys man When I when I see everybody grinding I like man You here in Dallas and to be here and and not get you to be crazy as hell So when I thought about it went after we had talked Yeah, man, I gotta get sugar sugar. You gotta come on my show, man So thank you so much for coming man. Top three comedians of all time that are alive Top top three comedians of all time dead or alive. Who was your top three top three three only three number one Oh, we want to go number three first. Which ever order you want to put it in do I do it had to be influencers or just Body Overall your category no category no category number one Well, you know rich pride gonna have to be That's a good choice because rich pride when he brought out that uh that niggas crazy See a lot of when we were growing up people didn't want to be no comedian We wanted to be the full tops. We want to be the temptations. We want to be jane brown We want to be singers, you know, but when he brought out that uh that niggas crazy when that album came out Everybody was fighting that stuff in school because I had the album. I had you know, I wasn't trying to be a comedian at the time I just liked that material and so uh, he influenced a lot of young people Who want to be comedian? That's how Eddie Murphy wanted to become a comedian. That's so true You know, so he had he had that No, too number two number two Oh shoot. Oh god says number two uh I got to say Robin Harris Robin Harris Robin that's a good Robin Harris and number three number three I got to say Eddie Murphy Eddie Murphy man because Eddie Murphy put sex appeal in common You could be you could be on stage and get the raggedy t-shirt or whatever But then you start just them leather pants and stuff like that and people want to be a rock star That'll be Eddie Murphy Earlier you mentioned that kevin heart was the reason why you started, you know when you thought of he changed the game Was he the first person who started um doing comedy about his life and so forth? Mr. Pry talking about his life Eddie Murphy talking about his life. It's just the way he does. It's the way you looking you here's here's Kevin heart starting out. I just hear stuff on the road Kevin heart didn't care who went in front of him Or who went who we had to come behind he didn't care He stayed on focus of what he wanted to present Okay, you know I'm saying a lot of the comedians We'll be afraid Somebody's gonna kill a killer show. They come up. They bam. They bam bam bam bam. Knock it out. Then I got to come And uh do a thing and my stuff just died Because there's a lot of my lot of my stuff did that. Yeah, it did that. I mean I did did a show uh in the uh Bermuda I did a show in Bermuda and all them guys were bam bam bam bam bam six going down Doing bam and I come up there with this shuck of ducky and and then shit was just going going way down Yeah, and I told the man. I said maybe we got to change the order of this show He said no, he ain't we can't change the order of the show. I said man We got to change the order of the show. He said we're going to change the money I say we ain't changing the money. I say people still coming in because I'm here We ain't changing the money. He said well We're going to do I tell you what I die every night, but we ain't changing no damn money. Yeah I said he changed the order that show. I hosted show went well because I knew what my lane was Exactly. I knew what my I knew what my strength was for as my comedy was concerned because I was still trying to develop Because you got people gunslingers want to show you up off of your crowd off of people come to see you Yeah, and then the people's looking at me. They're my man. He should have shook it up Shouldn't even been here. He should have been somewhere else, you know So if I was supposed to say, okay, I'm going to name some comedians and I want you to tell me The first thing that comes on your mind about these comedians like what stands out the most um cat williams very intelligent uh Very funny natural comedian burning mac uh burning mac Very confident Uh I'll just say he's he's had a lot of confidence. He has a lot of style. He had style Dave Chappelle Very intelligent intellectual more of a storyteller to me than a comedian Bill Cosby Bill Cosby storyteller uh Revolutionary Very he had a lot of power And what he did but no he was very revolutionary Eddie Griffin Very intelligent natural comedian he can do He's got substance. He can talk about anything make anything funny Gary Owens Gary Owens, uh I don't know He's gonna do about Gary Owens. I mean he he made it. I mean He used what he got And he made it so I can say he used what he got he made Michael Blackstone Michael Blackstone. I don't know that much about black blackstone. He you know You know But you know, but he he made it too. Okay got it country Wayne country Wayne There I like country Wayne. Uh somebody told me one day Man these internet comedians. They funny and something something country Wayne. He did funny I said, let me go see country Wayne And you went and so I went to see country Wayne And I say somebody's having him because I say you say he sound good to me and he looked good to me Because he's country Wayne has that presence. He has a star presence. He has a presence about him. He's likable He's enjoyable and then he's using what he uh what he got and what he know Even though it's simple But he's using it and his personality is so likable and that's why he's winning um phase on love he crazed He crazed that now. I mean he's crazy. He say what is on his mind. He say what he's you know It's his opinion. Everybody's coming from their opinion. That's true Wow, so you you got a show coming up this week at the impromptu. Yes march to 29th Wednesday night Yeah, did you ever meet dick Gregory? Yeah, I'm at dick Gregory. Tell me a story about him I don't know that much to be telling those stories about him. I'll all I know is he's uh a very uh Influential person a person who knew a lot. I mean I'll follow some of those uh, uh, listen to him and try to Google or research some of the stuff he was saying that she said something at some university had a uh department of hospitality or carriage and something like that I I call they did have one You know, so sometimes, you know, it's it's way out there, you you know, but it sounds like it's right true, but he was uh Very interesting person Being a comedian how important is it to gain knowledge because I realize a lot of these comedians not all tend to do a lot of research And impart knowledge onto people not just to be funny Well, if they like what I was trying to find you trying to get to the bottom of the truth And what life is is what life is all about and the better way you can find it really is through comedy Because you'll be able to say some things that you normally wouldn't be able to say You can experience certain these things you normally wouldn't be able to experience because you're being curious. You're being curious You're going to know why Why I got to do this? Why I got to do that? Why is this such like this? And so and just pass it off as comedy all though Yeah, you can pass it off comedy But it's the way of you can say it because you can get away with a lot of stuff with comedy now Sometimes comedy even got brutal Got too direct too personal You know, but a lot of stuff you can just say it in comedy and you can learn from it Impart it you can keep it you can retain it through comedy faster than you can through and let me ask you about This is a rapper. He on the wall about three four times. Oh ti He switches over into comedy and but he was in the music first Had you ever seen that before while a person come from doing music? Into comedy whether it was well TP hers was a singer and he did comedy, you know Ti had his own fan base So therefore he really didn't step over nobody up behind nobody because he had his own fan base You know what I'm saying? So he can go out there, you know, you can go out there and bomb do what you want to do Experiment because you got your fan base. It ain't like it ain't like a comedian that's trying to come up He's a person Wanted to give a shot like almost like a bucket list or whatever you want to do Right, so he went out there and tried to do it But he found out to it is more to it than just getting on that stage You know, it's just more to it than that, you know, wow. I got a friend One of my friends I ain't gonna really give his name out of nothing, but he know who he is, you know Um These jokes man Have anybody you I know you say Quincy took something of yours and started using it Um a joke if you see a joke on stage or somebody see you do a joke Have you ever had to experience somebody stealing your joke? Somebody did do my joke one day the joke right in front of me at the at the uh at the hip hop comedy club We did right right in front of me in front of me When we was coming up you did right but but but who did he say he didn't say But uh, uh, he did he did but you know, but you get influenced by uh Comedians and you get so you might if you got a favorite comedian You might take a little from that uh comedian But what you can steal from a comedian is personality See when you do a person when you steal and I feel when I feel like a person is stealing They're stealing the personality. They're saying the same the they're doing the joke about Manorism and everything look I'm gonna say this and I always say this It's not the material that make you be It's not the material Every preacher Got the same material Why is one preacher bigger than the other preacher? They got the same material It's either the organization around you or your personality Mm-hmm. I agree with that That's what it is and that's entertainment. That's life in period. Yeah, everybody. I said you stole my joke man I there's so many words and addiction every you steal a whole dictionary He stole my joke Let me um And I agree with you because like I said, I see these uh comedians like I said a lot of them are delivering Are you ever going to get in the internet side and give us some stuff? I've been doing I've been You're on facebook I'm doing I can't do it. I try to do it, but man, it's a lot of work It's a bag over there. I know it's a bag over there. You can do it. I mean I said I got a I got a cd that I did back in 96 97 I would talked about the internet. I talked about the internet before he even blew up really I told him you can make money with it I can give you one of them cds. It's on my it's on my thing. You had already talked about it. I already knew about it. I mean But you ain't jumped in there. I didn't jump in. I had a whole book on I should have jumped in it when I Had this book to go through the whole thing of it, but sometimes I'm afraid to be too too popular Where you can't go nowhere. That's it You can't go nowhere. You can't you can't eat. You can't you so sometimes celebrity is good I'm so I'm glad I'm like a borderline people know me now to begin. Oh, that's shaggy ducky That's shaggy ducky But I can sit down and talk to the regular people Boss talk for to put that eyesight on you. I can tell you that right now. You put no I love talking to everyday people. Yeah, and I like to be Be just the home home bar with you. You know, I don't want to be so big. I'm way up here. You can't talk to me I mean Long as I can take care of my bills And I can do what I want to do and still travel. I don't travel. I don't travel man. I've been to italy japan spain Japan japan germany I don't been no, I don't run The united states about 40 times with the circus with stand-up comedy with gospel plays Let me ask you No, I've been sitting down here calically and I'm like, okay He had his child when he was 20 something in 79 and then he said he was I'm like, you know I know the gray hair. I don't look at the gray hair, but I look at your skin You look young I'm six to seven if you want to know I can't play around I'll be six second hands It's six and a half When you when you sitting at the house or sitting somewhere and you hear Mike helps say what he said about uh, Chris rock Doing this and and it causing your Or was it steve harvey? It was chris rock. I mean that was my Okay, but what are you you like dang this island that it ain't gonna let me uh, yeah You see what I'm saying? I'm trying to duck off Kevin Hart said when Kevin Hart when Kevin Hart and mike emphasis in having a battle back in the thug And Kevin Hart say I do stadiums and I do such says he told mike if he do uh, uh Clubs and and deaters or whatever, you know, he said, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, get on your level He didn't say like shucky ducky or something like that I said, what did I get into why they come telling me? You know, because you know, because I had blew up that name blew up and I think I should be bigger than what I Yeah, you know, but you know, I I'm not hung up on I did my thing. I made shucky ducky. That's what your aim was Yeah, I mean, I know what my lane is and I think that's I think that's dope to have All you saying is I have self-awareness People like me who never knew who you are I tell people every time they're sitting in that seat people can hear your music or see your entertainment comedy whatever And they love it But I think people fall more in love with you when they find out who you are and the struggles that you have to go through And what you know what I mean? I think that's that I think that's the answer though But I think that's what people are missing that in this day and time because the digital media and digital You know the way people are doing things now they want to hear more about you and see you more And it also builds your brand and your and your worth, you know I had a guy come on here and said that once he left this show his money went way up because people were looking for him Oh, you do tonight's show Something like that I think it's just people seeing you because he was missing in action for a long time when nobody hadn't seen him And once he came back out like that, he said he looked him up. He was started calling That's just one case and every damn body ain't said that shuggy ducky. Yeah, so I ain't doing too I mean there yet, not yet, but I just value you got a you got a uh, I saw I've seen several Your podcast and it was good Uh, that's good. You know, I was trying to get in touch with somebody I gave you a call. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you know, but uh, I enjoyed that. Yeah, but uh, uh, yeah, but I seen it It looks good. Thanks, man. We show we show trying to bring it home. Uh, yeah, sir Man, thank you. Uh, so good. How can people get a hold of you if they try to check out your facebook, instagram or just Where you gonna be? I tell y'all this be patient with me because uh, you know, I'm still on the itchest sketch Uh, type of a thing, but uh, no, you got the real shuggy ducky is the real shuggy ducky on facebook You got you got me shugging it on facebook the real shuggy ducky on instagram and uh, Tiktok and email. I gotta you know, my email is full man. I had a yahoo account I had a aol account that you know, that's old Hotmail is old. Oh, yeah Well, I had a yahoo account and it filled up and then I got me a google account that filled up man Oh, and then you don't be checking it. Maybe I'll be spammed and delete you need to delete now I get tired of deleting I got a point. I don't need me. I need to delete everything. But I'm scared to delete everything I'm gonna I'm gonna delete everything man all over again. So man, I I want to say thank you for coming on boss talk 101 man Thank you for having me. We love you. We appreciate you, bro And he's brought up tom john. I seen tom john at strip club about five six years ago. I ain't seems to where he is Oh We're looking for tom john over at boss talk I want to interview tom john over at boss talk I don't know. I know you know shuck it doggie. I don't know him there Everybody you talking. I don't know people that well. I know What do I think about it if they spoke your name or something like that Or if you said you've been around them or if they just put in a name in your name everywhere I knew your name. I used to be like damn that's shuck it doggie You know, it's just the name and the way you presented it that made people really remember you man It's real catchy. Yeah, and I think that's dope that we got the story And it's like it's like every time you say shuck it doggie now, it's like you have to say quack quack You know what I say man quack quack back Man take it man. It's been another great segment a boss talk 101 what a boss is talk and we out