 Okay. We seem to have a quorum. We seem to have an applicant. So, I'm going to close me into order. So, we're going to schedule a meeting in the town of Berlin to develop a new board. We have two related applications before tonight from Berlin and LLC. And we see if we have anybody here that wants to be a party to this application tonight other than the applicants. Hearing none. Why don't we go ahead and swear everybody into order? Oh yeah. Yeah, we'll do intros. Thank you. Yeah. I'm Bob Warnick. I'm a chair. I'm all right. There's Jordan Ellison. Remember, please. Paul Badowski, town of Berlin. Nicola Anderson, down street. Matt Moore, Evernorth. We're expecting Kevin Warden, our civil engineer to be on video any moment here. Paul O'Leary. O'Leary Burke. Sean Cunningham. O'Leary Burke. Dave Sawyer, frontline select board. Paul, you can introduce yourself. Paulie McMartry, DRB member. Carla, can you introduce yourself? I'm not muted. No. Carla Neussel, DRB. Kristie, can you introduce yourself? Kristie Flynn, recording secretary. Jason. Jason Lozore, math of the applicant, to Berlin Mall. John Friedrich. John. I was speaking. I thought I was muted. Sorry about that. John Friedrich, member, DRB. Chuck, you walked in. Go ahead. Hi, Chuck Storrow, attorney for Berlin Mall at LLC. And we have somebody that's Dave's phone. Who is Dave's phone? This is Dave Roy with women. Dave, can you spell your last name on your phone there so we have it? R-O-Y. R-O-Y, thank you. Architect. Yeah, thank you. I think that's everyone, Mr. Chair. All right. Thank you. Excuse me. The media here is also is. Kevin Warden is waiting to be let in. Paul, we may have an architect also. Great. We would be surprised if you didn't. I don't see him, but hold on. Let me try and locate him. Alex. Kevin. Kevin, you want to introduce yourself? Matt Davidson. Sure. I'm Kevin. I'm working with Evernorth and Downstreet as a civil engineer for the Fox Run site. Kevin, the last name. Kevin Warden. Alex. Alex, please introduce yourself. It looks like he's connecting the audio still. Yeah. He's with Dave Roy, our architect. That's Alex Aftuck, A-F-T-U-C-D. Okay. Thank you. I think that's everyone as well, Chair. All right. I just wanted to interrupt for a second. We're getting a couple of notes that folks are having trouble with the website logging on. Is everyone else logged on through the agenda, the link to the agenda? Is there a way to just send it out one more time? Do you have it? Jason, you have it? I linked directly from the web. And so I had no issue, but apparently Joe Davidson is having trouble. And I believe my brushman is as well. So who should I send it to? Well, at least if you send it to me, I can get it to the folks who I am having an issue or having an issue logging on. It's also how you really feel. So. Come back when the zooms are done. Okay, I'm looking at Pablo and Michael there. I have them waiting now. Michael, you want to introduce yourself. Yes, Mike rush been playing strategies. Let's join Pablo you want to introduce yourself. Anybody know a Sandra silly up. Yes, she's in that room. No. I'm sorry. Pablo you want to introduce yourself. Hi, this is Pablo Medeiros with Heidenberg properties. Good to see everybody. Somebody else. Should be Joe Davidson. Sandra you want to introduce yourself. Sandra Silla silly up. Ever North she's not participating. She's new. He told me that he was having trouble with the website, but he told me, sent me a text saying he got it. So he should be logging in momentarily. I'm going to proceed. I can't see was up there, but that's okay. You tell me Tom who's up that well. I need to sit closer. So what I want to do the first thing is swear in everybody to get testimony before this board tonight. If you tend to give testimony, please raise your right hand. I'll tell the truth. Nothing but the truth. For this board tonight. I'm a family's approach. I do. I do. Thank you. Who's going to kick this off. I'm not going to kick this off. I'm not going to kick this off. I'm not going to kick this off. I'm not going to kick this off. I will Paul. Oh, please. So we're here. Tonight. For a number of items. And we're looking for site plan approval. On outlaw a. Which is Starbucks. We're looking for site plan approval for outlaw C. Which is the new 30 unit Fox on Billy. We're looking for a conditional use approval. For outlaw A. Because Starbucks has a drive-through and a drive-through. As a conditional use permit. On the early. So if I send you. You guys mute your. You're not on mute your. My. Jason. Jason, can you mute you? It's not me guys. Not me. I'm going to send you a PDF of the. All right. Can you mute yourself? Okay. That's what I'm trying to download. Of course. Okay. Everyone. You can mute. You're not been addressed. And recognize new yourself. I know I can all right. Please. Right. We're also looking for a conditional use approval on outlaw C. If there's a condition. If there's a condition. If there's a condition that. Regulations require a conditional use for anything more than 16 units. And then we're looking for a subdivision approval, the new outlaw, and the new road configuration. What requires a new plaque. Be filed. Showing those large. So to start with. And you're all too looking for conditions to prove a lot. Correct. Outlaw and outlaw C both need condition. The plan I have in front shows the new proposed realignment of the Berlin Mall Roof. It's roughly about 1,100 feet to get to the corner of Walmart from Route 62. And then it also shows a new interior street, which goes by the Starbucks and the Fox Run building. And that street is approximately 500 feet in length. So we're talking around 1,600 feet total of new roadway that would be built. All of it would be type B in conformance with your new zoning regulations. And I'll talk a little bit more in detail about that. I did want to just look at the flat. So that everyone's on the same page. So this is the proposed flat for the entire project. Now, the flat's not finalized yet because as we know, the town doesn't yet own the parcel. And then once the town owns the parcel, there needs to be some conversations between Berlin Mall's attorney and the town attorney to work out some of the easement languages that's required. But the regulations require a new 65 foot wide right away for the type B roads. So we have a 65 foot right away located along the new alignment for Berlin Mall Road. And then we have a 65 foot right away for the type B street that goes by Starbucks and a 65 foot right away for the type B street that runs up next to the Fox Run building. The Fox Run parcel outlaw C is shown here and there also will initially be purchasing this section of right away. Outlaw A is where Starbucks will be. We've agreed to give the town an easement on the corner of that outlaw for a future sign, something to be worked out in conjunction with Berlin Mall Associates in the town. And then we have a proposed stormwater easement that's shown up top in green. That's to both the benefit of the Berlin Mall Associates and also to the benefit of the new town parcel. The stormwater pond is designed to handle stormwater runoff on the Berlin Mall Road, the new type B road that goes by Starbucks and Fox Run and its size to take impervious area from the new town parcel in conformance with the town plan. So we've looked at the new town plan, calculated how much impervious area will be on that town parcel and we've sized that pond to handle that amount too. So just so everyone's on the same page, this is what we ended up looking with. 65 foot right away for Berlin Mall Road, 65 foot right away for the two new streets that go by Starbucks and Fox Run. Fox Run slot, Starbucks slot, at the proposed outlaw F, which we're not proposing anything at this point in time, but certainly what we view as a valuable lot somewhere going down the road and an outlaw G, which is next to the Walmart over here in the Walmart parking lot, which again, we haven't proposed any use on that outlaw at this point in time. The highlighted line in yellow shows where the existing school district, hopefully town line is. So there needs to be some swapping of parcels between the Berlin Mall Associates and the town once they own it. And so talk back and forth about how the easement language is going to be worded so that the town gets access to their parcel and the town gets access to the stormwater and obviously the Berlin Mall folks get access to the right of way and to the stormwater parcel that will end up on a portion of the town property. So any questions on that flat portion? So we're here to talk about the plateau. That's part of our approval tonight, but hadn't really talked in much detail about it, but I just wanted to make sure that everyone has a picture as to where we're headed down the road. I just add, Mr. Chair, that the getting yellow of the school parcel there. Yes. The school has gone through a subdivision application, has been granted by this board. It's now in the 30 day appeal process. May 29th would be the effective date assuming no appeal to that DRB permit. All right. Well, I'll talk a little bit about how our proposal conforms to the current regs. And we went over all this back in December, but it's been quite a while, so I'm not going to get on all of it, but I just want to take down through some of the major points. Well, if we look at your Bay Zoning District for the Townsend District, it does allow multifamily dwellings and that allows restaurants. Multifamily dwelling with more than 16 dwelling units requires a conditional use, as does a restaurant use with a drive-through also requires conditional use, as we mentioned before. Under dimensional standards, we're at Type B Street. We have a bill two line that has to be within 40 feet from the edge of the curve. The outlaw, the building on outlaw C is 39 feet, on outlaw A is 28 and a half feet, so we comply with the bill two line. A B Street has a parking setback line that the primary parking area for the buildings have to be at least 10 feet behind the bill two line and at least 10 feet from the lot line. We comply on both parking lots to the front setback. Side setback, similar is 10 feet, we comply with that. Rear setback is 10 feet, we easily comply with the rear setback. The lot width, minimum lot width of 75 feet, which both lots comply with and a primary street facade. Both facades have to encompass at least 50% of the lot frontage and both the Fox One building and the Starbucks building, including the wall, meet the 50% standard. Quickly going through the site plan, site plan standards, parking and loading areas are shown and are adequate access and circulation. We have a tight B Street, which is 23 stop worldwide. Yes. Because we've covered this before and my memory is what it should be. Number of spaces, do you have a place where it's written down the number of spaces you have? On the plan, it should be labeled how many parking spaces we have. I don't know what they are. I'd have to count. What's the plan? They're 50 seats. Best sheet to go to, John? Labeled, but sheet three, better than the best. Sheet three, you probably have to count them. Yeah, it shows them, but you have to count them. You have to count them. Do you have a schedule somewhere? I don't believe we do, no. Can you provide that? We can certainly provide that. I think, you know, I know you've covered it in detail. I don't want you to cover it again. Do you think you're confident you meet the standards? That's fine, I accept that, but I'd like to see a schedule that goes with the two builders. Gladly. Gladly had that forego. That's where they are, you know. I do recall covering it, but it could have been back in December. Yes, and back in December, I probably could have told you exactly how many parking spaces we have. Got a short-term memory on those kind of things, so. Does anybody want to hear now, or we can move on? I don't hear anybody, they want to hear now, so we'll move on. All right, so in terms of utilities, we'll be extending the water and sewer from the intersection at the corner wall mark along Berlin Mall Road, obviously providing sewer and water services to the Fox Run building and to the new Starbucks, but we're also providing services to Future Outlaw F and the Future Town Parcel. All right, as I mentioned before, we've designed the storm water systems to accommodate all of the impervious area that's shown on that plan that's up front. We've made allowances for what we think the impervious area will be on Outlaw F, which we currently don't have any proposal for, and we've included what we think the impervious area will be on the Town Parcel, and all that will be permitted as part of the gravel wetland that's shown on the plan. So the plan is when we're done and that storm water gravel wetland is permitted, we will cover all of the impervious area that we expect to have on this portion of the new Town and Center plan. What criteria are you addressing at the moment? That's more of a general statement on utilities. All right. Paul, is it the intent to build those utilities to town standards and then ask the town of Berlin to assume those? Yes, that is our intent. So some correspondence to that end needs to be made by your client. Okay. Go from board. So sections on the site plan that we had discussions on before, section 3205 Outdoor Lighting, right? Originally, we had... I'm gonna go back to access to circulator. You don't need to do it right now, but you are talking about two phases to this project. You have not talked about that? Yeah, so we'll be talking about that. Okay, yeah. Maybe we'll go back and revisit that. I have a question about access and circulation for you. Okay, good. Well, we could visit now. Okay. So... That's good. We'll order your sheet. So the biggest change that we have when we're in December is that we're asking the board to allow us to build a project in two phases, right? Our preference is to build it in one. If the finances work and things fall in place, we'd like to build it all in one shot. Because obviously any construction we have on Berlin Mall Access Road affects our tenants. Walmart folks, everyone who's in the mall gets affected when we have construction on that road. So it'd be nice just to do it once. But currently, the finances haven't fallen in place to allow us to construct the whole thing. So what we're asking the board is to allow us to construct what's shaded here, what we call phase one. So phase one contains about two thirds of the roadway. So we'd be building from the Berlin Mall Road from this corner in to Walmart. We'd be building the new street that comes in. And what we'd be continue to use existing Berlin Mall Road for about the first 600 feet until which time we had funding in place or we were ready to develop outlaw F. So obviously outlaw F can't be developed until the road is in its new alignment. So it doesn't affect this intersection. This intersection is designed to be at grade. So there's no changes here when we build it. There's some minor changes in the first 20 or 30 feet of the Starbucks access when we built that road, you know, there's a few inches that needs to be adjusted but essentially the grades on Starbucks have been adjusted so that whether it meets existing Berlin Mall Road or it's the new alignment which is further to the West, very, very minor changes that have to be made in terms of access. So under the phase one plan, we would use the existing Berlin Mall Road to come in and access Starbucks and then you could either access Fox Run that way or you could continue on the Berlin Mall Road and come in and get to Fox Run on the new section of road. The site distance to the new B Street is concerning me. It's not just that Starbucks. This one? Yeah, the Starbucks, yeah. You're about 300 feet back, you know, essentially once, you know, some of the trees is cleared, you know, 300 feet should be adequate in terms of site distance. Plus the road was fixed based on the new town plan. All right, so we took the new town plan, we said, all right, this is the location, it's within a couple of feet of where the new town plan shows that road to be and that's where we set it. But typically 300 feet back. Yeah, I'm looking for a hundred feet. What's the speed limit? It's gonna be what? We're proposing it to be 25. That's what our traffic. Roger Dickinson did the traffic recommended a speed of 25 miles per hour on Perlin Mall Road. He also recommended the site distance of 155. Yes. And what I wasn't sure of is with phase A, before you go to, we've got full phase here, will you have sufficient site distance to the left? I think that we'll need to clear some of this area in here. If we clear this back, then I think you'll be able to see all the way to the intersection and you'll have plenty of site distance. And that's one thing that Roger recommended in his traffic report that we clear some of that fresh back on that side of road. To me, that's critical. In other words, not only do you have to clear it, but you have to maintain it clearly though, which is always a trick too, but people keep wanting to plant trees if they get how fast they grow on their own. So what do you think you have to site this right there? Without the trees being cleared? Yeah. Probably no more than 150 feet. It'd be marginal at this point in time. That was my thought. But certainly you'd be glad for you to add a condition that that be cleared back and maintained. Because we will see probably people entering at speeds in excess of 25 miles an hour. Yes, you will. Pretty safe. So while the speed will be closer to 25, and which it needs to be, that will be a condition if you are proposing that already. Yes. That was my primary question, is that if you don't do what you initially planned, day one, I'll wait for site distances on that one. I have a similar question on the other one. Other answer, access point to Second B Street. Yes. Do you have 155 foot site distance to the left there? Yes, you do. Not much more than that, but if I have 175 feet or so. Okay, that was my question. Oh, is there any consideration to making the Starbucks access road? And we need to think of a real name for that, but a one way. So one way into Fox, run it up and then out. No, your new town plan standards don't really talk too much about one way. They pretty much look for two-way streets 24 feet wide. And that's what we've designed to. And that's why the right ways that we're closing a 65 feet width is to meet your type B, get the width, the parking lanes, sidewalks, the green space from the edge you need 65 feet. So I'm just suggesting until the time when the second phase or B phase is built, does that make any sense to make that a one way? Sort of cure some of the problems, Mr. Warrick was alluding to here with site distances and such. Possibly. I mean, it's designed for a two-way street. I would think that we would just build it as such and only make a change for one way if it turned out that we had a problem with it. Yeah. Well, if we can have a second, this is my concern to be addressed. I just, looking at the curve of what's there now and knowing fully with the vegetations there now, I know you don't have 155 now. Right. I agree. So something has to be done to make sure you have 155. Ideally, it'd be nice to see all the way back to where they enter the Berlin Wall Road, but certainly you can see most of the way back, you pick them up. Yeah, there's no reason why we can't clear, you know, all the way back so you can see the intersection. We own the property, there's no restrictions against what we can clear it. So, grade-wise, it's not like there's a big hill or anything there that will block. I had another question with the yard access given your proposal to do this in phases. What will be done with the current access road in the interim? In other words, there's so many that you cannot deal with that in the next year or so, you know, road and travel conditions. Yeah. Yeah, and I guess, Jason, I don't know if you'll probably want to address that, but obviously they're going to continue to maintain the road. Sean, I just drove through there and yeah, it certainly is in need of some work at this point, Todd. I mean, it would speak poorly for them all if you had to continue to use that. Right now, everybody's just sort of excusing it because it's construction. Yes. But that doesn't improve in near future. So, I guess I'd like to know what the plan is. Is it going to be resurfaced? What, you know, in the interim? I would think it's a minimum, the resurfacing is necessary. Sean or Pablo, you want to comment on that? Are you referring to, are you referring to before the road is realigned? Right. Yes. Yes. No, as part of that, we would do some temporary resurfacing. It wouldn't be brought to the town's standards because that would be obviously be a huge expense, but it would be temporarily resurfaced until such time that the road would be aligned. If for any reason that never happened, then we would consider bringing it to town standards. What is that right away? What is the current right away? The existing right away is, I believe, 60 feet. Thanks that much. Yes. So I want to talk a little about outdoor lighting on the street lighting. That was a topic that came up before and the board had some questions. Your current regulations are 50 feet. We talked about 50 feet being an awful lot of light out there until the board asked us to look at some of the neighboring towns and see what they were. So we looked at Burlin, downtown Burlin. Berry, excuse me, downtown Berry, is about 65 foot spacing. My peculiar is somewhere between 55 and 60 feet is what their lights are spaced at. So our plan for what we propose is kind of splits the difference. We're at 65 feet is the spacing on our lights. It gives you an average lumens of just under two, which is a fair amount of light for Vermont Road. And I think we have an average to minimum ratio of about six. We can get that a little bit lower, but we'd have to add a few more lights. And we felt what we have is pretty decent. What are the regulations called for? Your regulations don't call out, you don't have a number in the regs, you just call out the spacing. So we change it from 50 feet to 65 feet and they're on both sides of the road all the way. Staggered? No, your regulations show them right opposite each other. And so that's what we went for, matching your zoning regs with just increasing the spacing. I didn't notice that most of the surrounding communities are actually staggered, separate crosswalks. Yeah, some are staggered, some aren't, yeah. Does the DRB have a latitude to allow that? We do. Does I read the Bible anyway? And one of the other site plan standards that we were lacking at the first time around were bicycle facilities. We didn't show any, but we showed the bike path that goes along Berlin Mall Road, but we didn't show any bike parking or bike racks on either the Fox One parcel or on Starbucks parcel and the current site plans have bicycle parking shown on both. And both parcels also show a vehicle charging station. It says two charging stations shown on Starbucks and I think there's one or two on Fox One, you know what I mean? I think it's two. I don't know. I think it's two, I think there's two. I think the new stretch regs require two. So we'll be getting a total of four charging stations between the two projects. That seems like a lot now, but no. No, and I think, you know, on Starbucks, you know, we're hopefully gonna have a conversation with the Tesla folks and see if they're interested in putting a supercharger there. You know, Starbucks is a nice place if you gotta park for 30 minutes. Although there are, I think, two supercharger stations just up the street by Alphabes up there, yeah. Takes more than two actually. There's, I think there's a bank up on some. So Paul, with the real line road, the full build out of the road, there's some wetland impacts. Are you going through that permitting now with this phase one or not? Oh, we are, we have to with the phase one. Yes, we'll have some impacts. We intend on getting all the state permits for both phase one and phase two. So we expect to get our storm water permit, our wastewater permit, our permit to construct for the water line, our Act 250 permit for the entire project, not just phase one. We wanna be able to build, like I said, we would like to be able to build the whole thing when the time comes to put the shovel in the ground because it's to our benefit and our clients benefits in the mall to build it once and be done. So we will be pursuing all of the permits. I think Sean's had a conversation with you two about the states in terms of the wetland, the state is looking for, this has a minor wetland impact to the road, but they're looking for what are the impacts on the entire new town plan? And they wanna look at the whole kit and caboodle before they go ahead now. We've given them numbers. And I think they've improved with the realignment of the multi-use path outside of the post-run piece. So in the grand scheme of things, my personal opinion is the impacts on buffers and wetlands are for a 118 acre project is minor, but you know. Yeah. Different people look at things different, but that is our intention to permit the entire project. And that would mean getting the wetland permit too. Have you had any dialogue about this particular curve? Yes, we have. And this little bit isn't a lot of hard burden with them. But again, they came back and said, well, we wanna know all of the impacts before we, they don't wanna be piecemeal. They don't want us to come back and get a few hundred square feet here and then lower. Yeah, and we do have an overall plan showing the estimate that he wanted a little, sounded like they wanted a little more detail and be some grading. So we are pursuing that. Good. I'm sorry. You're just going to one of your presentation here or Sean's presentation, whoever. And the next after you're outdoor lighting. Excuse me, but we have a slick board member here. And so when you build this, the new road, the Starbucks road and a Fox Run connector road and over to the mall, what you have shaded here. Do you anticipate asking the town to take over those roads at that time outside of the full buildout? Yes, as soon as a road is constructed to the type B standard, then we would anticipate asking the town to take over the road. So we would be writing an offer of dedication for that 65 foot right away, be asking for them to take it and then begin maintenance. Okay. Typically we would expect to be a warranty period of two or three years. We'd be responsible for the road. And at the end of the warranty period, it would become theirs. So in the end, we expect the town to own and maintain the Berlin Mall access road from Route 62 all the way to Walmart. And then also the road, the loop road that goes by Starbucks and Fox Run. And I think that's what the new town plan calls for. They call for the town to own and control that road. And that's what the plot shows. That's why we have the 65 foot right of ways. The intention is, is that all that will be deeded to the town of Berlin at some point in time in the future. They may have had an expectation that it would be all the road. So that's what I'm saying, giving you that for a warning. Come on, Mr. Chair, would you like me to check down through all the items or? Yeah, just if you would, because I do have a couple of additional concerns that I have listed in the order. Okay. And I guess I don't know what the other board members have similar concerns, but we want to be able to benefit. I know much of this has been covered previously. And I'm trusting that you're telling us changes now and only in the short shelf of changes and highlighting any changes. For instance, the next one is signs. Yes. And are you asking for, yes. I just have, so I just want to, I'm assuming this is true, but so the financing for the road is not, is that for Fox Run is this doesn't affect that by not completing the entire road? I don't believe it affects us. Okay. I just want to verify that. As long as we have access to get into our building, to get a certificate of occupancy, then we're good. I just remember we had a meeting with somebody about that grant money. And it seemed as though there was a lot of strings attached. So I just wanted to be sure. Yeah. I think it would be good to have a meeting soon with BCDP to talk about that grant and the town ownership. I believe is what they are looking for. But that doesn't matter for the ability of us to build our project. Whoever owns the road owns the road as long as we can get in. Right. Okay. Thank you. Any other questions on that? Oh, it's important question. It's important issue. Okay, hearing none. What I was going to ask you about was the next criteria for signs. Are you asking for permission for signs at this time? We show proposed sign locations for the Starbucks parcel. We are not, we haven't submitted the information on the signs. It's our understanding that. Please build. Please build. Good Lord. I saw from where I go. I can't see who was talking. Dave's phone. You're good Mr. Chair. So we show signs, proposed signs for the Starbucks, mostly directional signs and things. You know, the free-stick, free-sticking signs. Honestly, I looked at the plans. I couldn't find where the locations were. I suspect if I spent another couple of hours, I'd find them. Some more among the Starbucks details and the directions on it. We had talked at the last meeting that the signs were typically handled by Tom and that they'd come in for separate applications to Tom. If you're doing that at this point, that's fine. I was looking for schedule of signs. And I did not see a schedule of signs. A lot of signs are being proposed. I do think the signs addressing traffic we need to know about now. Stop signs, yield signs, whatever you're proposing. It goes back to traffic access and circulation. I couldn't be certain, number one, you don't state in the application the speed limit will be 25. Your testimony tonight is that it will be. Okay. But I also want to be certain that we have stop signs at all the right locations. We'll add the location and the sign details for the speed limit signs. I'm not saying they aren't there. I just couldn't operate them. We'll add or make sure they're pedestrian crossings too. Yeah, that was my next point. I did not see pedestrian crossing signs. Okay. We will add those. And that needs to be part of this application, not your separate sign application. I agree. I know you have directional signs planned for Starbucks and I assume they'll be also some directional signs for Fox one parking that kind of thing. I just, those are, you can deal with Tom on that. Certainly signs on the bill is you deal with Tom on that. But the road signs, I want to be certain that we have the necessary traffic control signs. Yeah, we'll do a separate sheet just for signs. So either, but I mean, I sort of know where they would be, it should be, but I'll be sure that you know. I agree. I know you're still looking. I agree. But she had all the drawings. I couldn't find a single drawing that gave me signs. Thank you. The next criteria was performance standards, noise, glare, odors, vibration, electrical, radio and interference, waste storage, particular matter, airborne solids, flammable toxic or hazardous substances and waste, we don't anticipate any of those adverse effects. 30 to a nine is erosion control, those erosion control plans are included. We will be getting an erosion control permit or stormwater runoff from construction site permit for the project before we can proceed. And it will be a general permit in 2020 because we'll be serving more than one acre of soil. 3210 is stormwater management. As we've talked about before, we will require a state operational stormwater discharge from it. We'll be using gravel wetlands to treat the runoff of the clocks I'm building in the parking lot and from the Starbucks, the future Outlaw F, the future town parcel and a reconstructed Berlin Mall roads, as we talked about. Stormwater will actually be treated to 100 year standard in this case because of the size of the mall, because it's on the mall property, we have greater than 10 acres of impervious area. So we have to go to the 100 year standard on our sizing for the larger storms. So where are you on your state permitting process? These are two key permits that we're not gonna we're not gonna review your material to say, we're just gonna say, you can basically use. We're, the design for all stormwater ponds are done for the gravel wetlands. And we haven't yet submitted that because we don't have approval from this board, but that will be one of our next steps. Okay, so you have not submitted that. We have not. I assume you've had dialogue over. We've had dialogue and obviously we're doing some work for the town with Tom on the whole Berlin Mall property. So we had a number of dialogues with the state. So the go forward maintenance of the stormwater pond, it's on the shared properties. That's Berlin Mall, I'll see responsibility. I think that's something that the town lore and Berlin Mall are gonna have to work out as to who obviously a portion at which time the town takes over the roads and the impervious on the town owned parcel, they'll likely have the largest percentage of impervious surface going to the gravel wetland. So that's an item of negotiation between the town and the Berlin Mall folks as to who maintains the pond. Do they split costs on the pond? That's something that needs to happen going forward. I would suggest that your client begin those discussions before this permit comes to its fruition. I think it's germane to do it. I really do. Well, until which time the town takes over the road, obviously it's all Berlin Mall would operate and maintain that gravel wetland. Have you developed numbers on the cost of the annual maintenance? We have not. But you can easily do that. We can easily do that. It's not a lot on the gravel wetland actually. It's pretty minor. About every five to eight years, you've got to clean out a portion of it. And that's, again, that's not a large cost. So, but we can certainly do that. Okay. Can I just sit here? And I just want to ask a question. I'm Dave Sawyer on the select board. And I'm looking at this part A that you're talking about constructing these roads and possibly town of Berlin taking over the maintenance of those roads via plowing or whatever for the winter time. If the access road isn't done, my only concern is liability to the town and town equipment where we're not coming from a town road onto this parcel that you've got. There's no way for the town trucks, town employees to get to those roads, to maintain them. And I would like to know what the liability to the town would be for the equipment if something was to happen on the private neon roads getting to those roads. That's a concern that for some reason, that I'm only one member of the board, that's a concern I have is being able to maintain those roads until the time that you've constructed to the State Highway Road. Well, I would agree with you. I think until which time you own the road all the way out to Route 62 and you have access in, then you couldn't be expected to take over that portion of the road and maintain it. You can't really travel over a private road to get to a section of road that you need to maintain. So, okay. That was one, you know, my thought there because I thought I heard that you would be, you know, once it was constructed, you're looking for the town to take over that and I can't see that happening until, you know, it's taking it to the State Highway. I would agree. And owning the first 50 feet doesn't do it. Questions by the board? You are going to traditional use standards. Correct. So, conditionally used approvals are required on Outlaw A for the drive-through and Outlaw C for the building of more than 16 units. Section 3302, capability of community facilities and utilities, proposal will not cause an undue burden on the town's ability to provide community facilities and utilities, proposal aligns with the vision of the Newtown Center and we have adequate water and sewer along with stormwater capacity for both of those proposed buildings. Both of those have already been allocated. Is that correct? That's correct, Mr. Chair. And have you had feedback from the, at least you did. I did early on. Early on and we have a lot of... And from fire, from both, really no issues. Well, there were issues, but then... Yeah, yeah, there were. Not sure what stopped us. Besides a lot of new fire truck, a lot of truck, you know. Yeah, there was a lot of fire truck stuff, yeah. Now don't you give us your idea. Yeah, it's just me, hospital errors, dictates what we need for equipment. I'm sure it does, yes. So section 3303 is traffic. We have a traffic assessment that was done by Roger Dickinson. That's part of your package. Roger looked at the traffic, looked at the intersection with the Berlin Mall Road and Route 62, looked at the intersection with the Berlin Mall Road. On the other end was Ferry Road and then looked at the signalized intersection and determined that the project would not have an undue impact on any of those three intersections. Roger did recommend that we provide speed limit signs because we talked about 25 miles an hour and that we do some additional clearing along the entrance to improve the site distance, which we are agreeable to do. And he made a recommendation for the 155 foot site distance, 25 miles speed limit. Correct. What he didn't do is, or my opinion is he wasn't able to save one way or the other, whether or not your distances between your posing, for instance, you have opposing driveways where the B Street enters to the north. Yeah, right there. Not a desirable feature. I understand it's shown that way in the town plan. So do I fall? You know, fall somewhere else? Probably. And I'm guessing as long as we make sure we have the 155 foot distance, site distance, we're in good shape. Okay. Section 3304 is character of the area and our view both proposals are compatible with the area aligned with the new town center master vision. Section 3305 natural resource protection. Both proposals protect natural resources with zero ground disturbance to the recently delineated class two wetland. There will be some impact to the wetland buffer associated with that small wetland that's to the west of the project. Energy conservation. So the polls will include in the real on Berlin mall road to new type B street. Corporate multiple energy efficient modes of transportation such as the multi-use path and ample sidewalks as well as being directly on the bus line. Electrical vehicle charging stations are provided at both both sites. Not on conditionally used standards. No, we could talk about subdivision standards. If you'd like. We're not much statewide subdivision. I've sort of lost sight here of how that's going to proceed. I mean, we've got obviously got to. Got to finish the transition between the school and the town. Not for their subdivision. No, no. No, for their subdivision. No. No, I think. You're not proposing. Yeah. You. What we'd have to watch is the. We have a once you approve it, we have 180 days to file the plan. And so. Within that 180 day, obviously we can't file the plat. We can't file it. We can't file it. We can't file it. Until the town owns property. And until the town and the Berlin mall folks have worked out some of this easement language that's needed. So I don't think it's holding you up from approving us. We just need to keep that in mind that if. If those elements all don't happen within the 180 days, the. The state section gives us. We'd have to come. Administrator has the authority. I believe so, but I'd have to. Take the bylaw. I believe the bylaw allows that that solves the problem. Yeah. 180 days was by real fast. Thank you. Yes, it does. But I've been encouraged your client again to reach out to the town and yes. And I think Chuck's already started to have some conversations with the town attorney. So that has to happen. I'll just reiterate the. The thought process with the school parcel. I'm just going to say this. I've been with. Some of the officials. The other day they're meeting schools meeting tomorrow on an update. I'm assuming May 29th. The. Warning, the appeal period on that zoning on that. Some division permit is, is over. We, we, the town has retained. A surveyor. Then to that he'll go. from that, develop the plat, submit the plat to the town, town clerk, record of the town clerk, the town is in process of drafting a quick claim D language for the school district's edification. I see them having that in hand by the end of this month. So that process is moving along relatively quickly. So just to assure folks that that's what our sense this says. So in some of these are standards, you want to go. Sure, I don't think I don't think I have any questions. Maybe if somebody else does, the only question I had was the suitability of the land which addresses the weather and this issue that you've already addressed. Yeah. Well, most of the answers to the subdivision standards are that it's been developed in accordance with the new town center. So all hangs there. If I can add something to that, Mr. Chair, as as you know, we have a conditional designation. Yes. The Planning Commission has developed some zoning regulations that's gone through a public hearing on that. The select board has met last night on one of two public hearings. They have to hold to make those zoning regulations approved. Approve those under the regulations. We anticipate that at their meeting on June 6th, assuming no, nothing is untoward or unexpected is that they will then approve those zoning changes which will then become effective June 7th. And we have spoken to the folks from the downtown board and they have given us assurance that if we make these changes, they were involved in the help of these changes that on June 7th, we will get their authorization that our conditional new town center permit is no longer conditional. It'll be fully. Great. Great. So you had had some questions about the Starbucks design. So I think I'm gonna take us back to the architectural standards. So we have the architects online and we'll talk about the changes that he made in response to your comments. And then Matt's team, you know, they had some minor revisions that they made to the Fox Run building again, in response to some of your comments and he's prepared to address those. Great. That's where we need to go next. So we'll go to Matt. Joe. Joe. Okay. Hi, everyone. It's your own screen. All right. So you'd have to take yours down. Joe, if you're showing a screen. Can I share mine then? Yeah, but Sean's gonna take his down. Okay, we're on it. Okay. Okay, we can see it. Okay. So I'm just gonna kind of highlight the changes and the comments that we received and how we responded to from our last meeting. So I think some of the comments that we took to heart were that we needed to add some articulation in the wall and break up the roof line a little bit more. And if you recall, this was just kind of one level of roof at 25 foot. I know the, we kind of discussed that the 25 foot and the architectural standards was a little bit flexible in the approach and how we do it. So what we had done is we had taken the entry feature here and move this out a little bit and actually increased the height to 28 feet. We also left. Excuse me, Joe. Yes. You have a tight page on your screen that we're saying. Oh crap. All right. It's something that's all right. I'm gonna see the highlighted part here. Okay. There we go. Sorry, I have too many monitors and it's showing me that I'm sharing a screen that's not that screen. All right. I'll start over. So we had talked about changing the heights and varying the materials and adding a little bit more articulation to the facade. So what we did is we increased the height over the entry. We pulled the entry feature out a little bit to give it a little break and relief from the facade. This is now 28 feet high. We left this feature at the 25 feet high with the wood material finish. We had added this element here, which is a vegetated green screen so that Ivy and stuff can kind of grow up the wall and kind of add a little bit more interest to what was a blank brick and ethos wall. And inside this, we had cut out random sized circles to give it a little bit more interest and put some lighting inside that as well to give it some interest and artistic effect at night. So I have a question. I will hear. Okay. I'll ask it now. Sure. So that center panel that you've raised and pulled out, right? What's the depth of the pull out from the back wall? It's about eight inches. Eight inches. Is that standard? Well, what we use is six inches of framing and then obviously the finished materials go on top of that. So that gives it closer to eight inches. I said it's about eight inches because we're gonna have some finishes and insulation and then the wood finish over top of that. So yeah, I mean, there's no real standard in terms of how far to pull this out. But at a certain point, then we have to start providing structure for this. So this is just kind of, again, pulled out enough to kind of give you a break of the materials. And again, these are kind of like Starbucks's, they like these materials that they had selected. So we're trying to keep the use of them but break them up to kind of give some more visual interest to the design. Thank you. You're welcome. Over here, again, we had the green screen and I'm gonna jump around a little bit here because I'm gonna move from rendering to rendering. So this wall, one of the comments that we received was that the opening over towards the drive aisle side should be shifted over to the opposite side. So we did relocate this brick wall, opening closer to the main building so that it isn't further away from the drive aisle here. I'm gonna move to another rendering, which is the screen wall that we had before, which is this element here. Again, the comments that we took the heart here were that this is a long wall, it needs to be broken up a bit and maybe we could add some public art or public notification areas to this wall. So what we had done is this wall was a brick wall all the way up here. I can actually show you. So this is the wall that we were talking about on the original design here. And in the new design, we have added additional materials, so we pulled some of this wood material from the building, brought it over here, lowered the brick and added these two public art panels, which can be used by the local community too. And again, this is just artistic renderings, these can be used for whatever type of art or display or even if you wanted like a public notification board or something here. So that's what these elements were. And again, we raised the heights of the public art elements and I'll get to the heights of this when we get to the elevation. But again, we did add, I think you can see from the original design here to the new design, there's a lot more articulation and interest in the overall design. Joe, is there power on that wall? We really haven't got into that level of detail yet. I don't... We're not proposing power there, Tom. Is there something that you were thinking that would be needing power there? Well, you just mentioned some sort of bulletin board that maybe a light lights on the art. This is Pablo, excuse me, for interrupting the presentation, but the idea of a community bulletin board, I'm not really sure that that works well in a public building. So I think it'd be better served as two public art display panels. And I think there's sufficient lighting in the parking lot and around the building that it'll be visible at night, more of a daytime feature, but we don't really want to provide spotlights on it. What's typical? Typical of what? Oh, if you've done one of these walls, you've probably done walls like this in the past. No, we have not. This is we're doing this to address the comments. I'll just, you know, again, we do a lot of different projects across the country. Thank you. These public art walls or whatever that we do, it's just a variety of different options. And I think the Pablo's comment, when there's enough general area lighting around here, they aren't spotlighted. And I know we just put a public art element on a large self-storage building in Colorado and that did not have any specific lighting. And again, that was more of a design feature and just kind of integral with the finish and materials of the building. So I don't know that there's really a typical answer to this public art. Generally, most public art that you see, if you, you know, I mean, a lot of it happens in the cities is not lit. It's just on the building. Thank you. The one other comment was to ask if we could provide a rendering of the rear part of the building through the drive aisle. This is that rear element of the drive aisle building. Again, the materials and heights are varied, very similar to what we did along the front side of the building, but we don't have the green screen wall here because it is not feasible to have anything grow with the limited amount of space that we do have along this drive aisle side. This is, I'm just gonna kind of go through this. Nothing's really changed on the floor plan other than we have broken up this screen wall and again, changed the height from six feet high screen wall all the way across to the eight foot high local art walls and then relocated this opening from right over here to here. Again, the last couple of comments are really kind of addressing on the elevations. We had added, I believe one of the comments was how much percentage of each material was on the facade. So we added a table here for all the areas of each material finish and then the percentage of each of those finishes per the elevation. We did not do it as a total building but more as a per elevation. And I think that comment came from just kind of determining from your architectural design standards that EFIS material couldn't be used as a predominant or there was no kind of definition, I guess, of what that predominant was. But I would argue that on a lot of the facades on the front facade here, it's like, I'm sorry, I can't read down my screen. 16.8% on the right side elevation which I did, one of the other comments was to change the name of that, which we had done. It is at 42.8% on the rear side, it is at 31.9% and on the patio left side, it's at 0%. So on all the facades, it's below 50% and on a lot of facades, it's significantly below 50%. So I believe that we are meeting the intent of the architectural design standards for the town. And that's really the changes that we made and hope that that kind of addresses a lot of the board comments that we received the last time and I will open up to any questions that you may have. Of course it's by the board. Yeah. Oh, I like it. I think it's improved. I agree, it's a good improvement. Thank you. Thank you. We know what the questions. I will proceed to Fox Run. Yeah. Okay. Thank you, Joe. Thank you. Thank you. I'm gonna stop my share now, so. Thanks, Joe. Are you ready to start with the civil for Fox Run and then we'll go with the architectural after? Indeed, I am. So this is the site plan for Fox Run and I'll just start by saying we've been in close coordination with Sean and O'Leary Burke and the master plan shows basically this site and I'll just point out a few of the amenities and particular items that are more closely coordinated for the residents of the Fox Run site here and not spend any time on larger details. I mentioned the electrical car vehicle parking spaces in the back, the ADA spaces right near the entry. There's a community garden outside in a play space right as you enter the building from the rear, the parking side, snow storage, trash, the utility shelter and smoking shelter are shown bike racks, picnic benches or sorry, bench areas right outside on the way in a canopy. Around the side, there's an ADA access that leads to the side door. That's also has stairs down to the sidewalk and area of parallel parking on the B street. And again, around front, slight change from the master plan that shows the entry door coming off the building which Alex can show in a little more detail and an L-shaped stair that kind of makes for a nice front stoop coming down to the future multi-use path on Berlin Mall Road and aligns directly across the street from the housing that's being built there now, the elderly housing. Stormwater is provided on site here for the parking in the roof. Our plans do show a conceptual stormwater for the B street here. Keep in mind, these were developed ahead of the town vote and allow this project to proceed if necessary with state permitting, if something should happen with a delay for the town process of taking over the land, expanding Berlin Mall Road and developing and permitting the kind of coordinated Berlin Mall stormwater that's located to the Northwest off this site plan. So that is to say that, you know, this site is Matt pointed out earlier, it can proceed with access off the existing Berlin Mall and I think should be fully permittable accordingly. We have another plan that shows grading and unless there's really any questions on that, I'm prepared to turn it over to Alex who is gonna touch base on some landscaping in the architecture. I have a question. Hi, Polly. I guess the last time in December we were talking and there was some concern because you had the steps and I think the risers were like seven inches and the treads were only 11 inches and it was suggested that you make them a little more standard, which is a smaller riser and a little larger tread. Yeah, that's been done and part of the L shape you see here facilitates a six inch rise and a 12 inch run, which is more of a site-based stair. Yeah. Yep. Thanks for that question. Any other questions? Does that work? Really, other than the entrances over there, there are not much changes there. Nope. I mean, I think Alex might show you the renderings, there's a wall here along this stair. So minor little things, Bob, but nothing major. We'll be updating our plan set to match with what they have, there's some small variations. Yeah, and actually I have one question to go back to you on. I have to go back to the section. Go ahead with the architectural. Yeah, it's Alex Apchuk. I will pull up my, share my screen here. Everyone can see that? So we, yeah, we kind of mentioned that one of the larger changes was really sort of at the stair level, at the stairs into the building. So on this, we've gone to a six over 12 stair. So it's a little bit more gracious. That also gives us that sort of little front entryway. So you have a little front porch to the building now, which is, I think, you know, it's a steep site. So we tried to, we've been trying the whole time to really make sure that we have a good front entrance, which is tricky on a steep site. So we've tried to sort of get that little front porch going in addition to that. Also, we've sort of added a little sort of a side entry here with a, you know, potential for, you know, like a nice board form concrete wall or something clean or, you know, signage or something along those lines to sort of indicate this is where, you know, the Fox Run is. Our siding is all, we're looking at plank siding, something similar to a KWP, a mineral-based siding that would meet the regulations of the town center district. And we would be looking at two different, one, say like a horizontal and maybe a vertical wood color, wood look siding to sort of help offset a little bit at these stairs and living rooms is where we have those sort of indents showing where, you know, we have a little bit of articulation to the building. Alex, what's the depth of your indents? I believe those are out of foot right now. There's, we've looked at a few different ways of doing it, but, you know, it's hard to, it's hard to, you know, you're trying to make it the more ins and outs in the building you have, the better looking it is, but also the less efficient it is. So it's sort of trying to get the right sort of balance between those two things. So, and ours are indented, not coming out of foot. So, and these would be sort of the back elevations we have on the, I can show that in a rendering, it might be more a little bit clearer. On the backside, we're, excuse me, the computer is a little funky right now. On the backside, we have our garden beds and a community, so we have a community garden and enough playground on this side. So we're trying to, even though because of the steep site, we had to sort of put things more to the back of the building, what we're, we're still trying to have as much of a front step and a front appearance as we can. And other than that, I think you already know that it's a 30 unit building approximately, I think it's 15, 14, one bedroom is 15, two bedrooms and a three bedroom. So it's, you know, approximately half one bedroom, half two bedrooms and an extra three bedroom in there. Are there any other sort of major topics that we should touch on and architectural? No, but I have a question about your rendering. Sure. It doesn't show the existing trees, along route 62. What your site plan does, is this just to, you've simplified the rendering? I mean, it looks sort of desolate without these around it. No, you're right. There are a lot more, there's going to be a, we're leaving all of the trees in the wetland area along that road. So you're right. They're kind of in the very back corner there, but they would be staying there, yeah. We tried to really push our building up towards the street and to sort of stay out of that wetland area and keep as many of the trees as possible. Yeah, definitely. Questions, other questions about board members? Hearing none. Are there any questions in total of the project? Thank you, Alex. Thank you. I had one question for you, Paul. Sure. And that was going back to your cross sections. Road sections? Yes. The Braille and Marl Road. And I apologize for the hard page. Fix. Fix. And it shows the cross section between, yeah, the Braille and Marl Road cross section station 1730 through 2065. Yes. It doesn't show a sidewalk on the left side that's there now. And I just wondered if that's, am I missing something or? No, should be on there. I mean, that's, that's the existing sidewalk. Yeah, right. That's right. It's beyond the limits of your work, but it's, I just want to be sure we had a sidewalk over there. It should be there because it will be within the right of way eventually. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we'll fix that. That's the one thing I just looked at it afterwards. I said, you know, something's missing here. We'll probably add a couple more cross sections because, you know, in some places we have just parallel parking on one side, on the, you know, the tank. I thought it would be on the side. We should show a couple of the variations. Yeah. It's clear just what you're getting. Yeah. Yeah, because for instance, that cross section doesn't represent about half of that stationing. I agree. That's enough, that's enough. I'm sure what you were doing there, but I mean, I'm missing that sidewalk on the side was key feature. We should have the correct cross sections for each or every portion of the road. You should be able to look at the station and say, oh, this is the one that counts. You should have to go up. Yeah. Yeah, it would be helpful just to sort of work on the same page. Mm-hmm. We do have different locks and so it's. Yeah. I agree. Yeah. Okay. All right. I just wanted to draw out that right. Are there any other questions? We really, we've positioned to hear the subdivision, the totality. We have sufficient information. Come. I believe we do. They've changed it. And I think their changes reflect what their, what mall property is now. They, the first time around, they included to school property in it. And so I think they have everything here. I guess, I guess I didn't look at the plat real well. I'm not sure I even have the plat you showed. Yeah, you probably have just the phase one plat. Yeah. And so without being able to see the plat, I wasn't sure we had all these misidentified. I mean, you know, if you're going to do a subdivision, you need to see the easements and everything else is going to be involved. And I think that you should reserve the right at the DRB to review the final plat. That's my opinion. Obviously it's best for me if you just say, okay, fine. But I think there's gonna be enough stuff on the final plat between the easements, language between, you know, what happens with town and what happens with the developer. That I think once the lawyers are done and illegally is done, I would suggest that it should come back before this part just to make sure you're. Is it essentially you have final approval on the subdivision for this application? Is that essential at this point in time? It's not essential that we have. I would think it would not. I mean, think in general, you're giving us approval of the site plan, but I think you should reserve the right to review the minutiae that goes along with the final plat. That's my opinion. But that's what I would say. There's gonna be enough detailing, if you will, that it would be hard-pressed to prove something that's going to change in fact. Question, just clarification. Are you talking about the phase two subdivision? No, we're talking about the flat that actually gets spot. All right, I showed that before. That shows the properties, that's the deeds and sufferings. So at this point in time, we don't have a final plat because one, the town doesn't own the property. And then there's this back and forth between Bill and Miles' attorney, your attorney, and the town. That's just what the final easement language is gonna be. For instance, you wanna make sure that you have the rights to use all the roads and stuff to which time the town takes home. I would encourage that the parties talk before the legalese begin. Yeah. Well, I think we're pretty well set. But I think at this point, we're ready for the legalese to begin. Is there, if I may, is there a preliminary plat approval? Well, that's essentially what we have. That's essentially what we're talking about. It's putting right plat approval. We don't have one, say, identified in our bylaws. Yeah, that's, you know, we could approve it subject to something. We've not done that before. That's, you know, we always, there's always a condition that one of the conditions we have classically is you have to file it 180 days, otherwise it's not real. We could add another condition, which is that you bring back to your final plat for approval. I don't know how you feel about that, Tom, but I don't see anywhere in the bylaws as we can't do that. I think that your suggestion is a good one, Paul. Yeah, I'm not saying we need to come back and present it. I think you just should allow it to see it but before it's filed, that's all. I guess I'm good with that. I guess I'm good with that. Any questions by board members on that issue? I mean, we're generally approving lots, be subdivided, but the point being that there's going to be other stuff. Yeah. And easement for, you know, if some of you identify, you need easement for ways to be stormwater disposal, that kind of stuff. But until you get your permits, especially the weather permits, they may have other issues. Correct. Okay. I'm good. If there are no further questions, I would entertain a motion to close the one portion of this hearing. Both applications. Yeah. Some moved. Most have been made by two. Seconded by Pauli. Is there a discussion of the motion? All those who bear the motion, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Over to you. Raise your hand. Aye. Thank you. And the law forces hearing is closed. Thank you. Would you believe that? Thank you, everyone. Thank you, everyone. Thank you very much. We have one more item. Minutes. Minutes of our last meeting. It wasn't, I don't know if the board has commented on it. I haven't seen comments yet. They just came out, I think, over the weekend. See if you can come up. Yeah. Yeah. So we have the... Good night, everybody. Good night. Good night. Good night, all of them. Thank you very much. Everybody here is excused, except for board members. Bless the wine very much. Thank you. Have a good night. We do have the minutes of May 3rd. And I reviewed them. Holly reviewed them. I assume everybody's looked at them and I've gotten to see no comments. So I would retain a motion to approve those minutes. Some room. Thank you. Most have been made by a tour to approve the minutes of May 3rd. Thank you, Mike, John. And discussion. All those in favor of that motion, please raise your hands. Aye. Aye. Thank you. The board will deliver the session. Yeah, aye. I think we probably need to, you know. So I'm going to retain a motion to go to the session. Holly? So moved. Got to give something to Holly. We still have guests. Been seconded. Yep. So all those in favor of that motion to go into the room session, please say goodbye by saying aye. Aye. Aye. And we will go into the room in the session as soon as everybody is taken off the internet. And we... And everybody's these rooms. We'll get back here. All right. We've exited the room in the reception at 8.51. And is there any other business to come before this board tonight? No. Covered everything. Do we have a meeting two weeks from now? We do not. Very good. Aye. So we'll be working on this. Hopefully, Christy, this is something we can get all done before you leave. I don't want to serve the personal time. I have already told Tom that I will make sure to get this completed, whether it goes past June 30th or not. Well, thank you very much for that. I don't want to give it to somebody else. Yeah. That would be hard to pick up. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, it's hard for us to pick up. I would retain a motion to adjourn. So move. I'll speak out first for a second. And I will obey that motion. It is extremely simple. Signified by saying aye. Aye. Welcome back, John. Thank you. Nice to see you, John. Yeah. Have a good night everyone.