 that how can a standard and verification and certification enable transparency, credibility in articulating that impact? Because it's so easy to say, I had a great impact on this project or I had a great impact on this by doing this, but how can you quantify that? How can you measure that? How can you report that? So for governments, there's clear measurement, reporting verification requirements, corporates also need to start putting that in place. Individuals, I do it all the time, we should be able to measure our carbon footprint and reduce as much as we can. So the gold standard's role is to really provide tools and guidances and methodologies for these groups.