 Awesome. Welcome. Dr. Diane Powell, kick us off in our conversation, please. Okay, thank you. So my background is that is a neuroscientist and a neurosychiatrist and my area of research has been savant syndrome, which is this capacity that is found more commonly in autism than any other condition. And that's a capacity to know things that we really don't understand how they have any way of knowing them. And so a classic example is children who can do calendar calculation and tell you what day of the week any date would fall on for any year for even tens of thousands of years. And yet they can't do simple arithmetic. And they tell you that the answers just appear to them. There are cases of children being mathematical spots in which they can solve complex mathematical equations. And yet they've really never been exposed math. And so these things have been so well documented that as a as a theoretician, I became really intrigued by them. And I felt that they could be holding the keys to our understanding consciousness and understanding things about the brain, because these are not explained by conventional neuroscience. And so I came up with a theory about which parts of the brain would be active in in these phenomena and the kinds of things that we would potentially find. And lo and behold, that the autistic brain and what we know about it fits the bill. And if you look at the deficits that a lot of children have is what we consider left hemisphere deficits. And if you look at the savant skills, many of those are similar to the Gestalt thinking something that we think of as a right hemisphere activity. And ESP is also considered to be a right hemisphere activity predominantly, although there are exceptions to this. But there are exceptions to the wiring of the brain. You have some people who are left handed, for example, and we know that their brain is lateralized differently. Women are lateralized differently than men. So we cannot lump all of these people together. And we particularly can't lump autistic children together because we know that their brains are very different. And we don't have very much quantitative QEG data on the savant brain, because the prodigious savants are really very few in number. And so some of the children that I have been studying have been children that have, for example, acquired as many as eight languages at the age of two. And so I've been wanting to study their brains. And in the context of discussing these children with their parents, I discovered that many of them have parents who report that they have this, the children have this ability to quote, read their mind unquote. And I have conducted controlled studies extensively on three of these children. And I have seen sufficient evidence that I believe that this is a true phenomena, that there is something that is happening here in which these children are accessing non-local information from another individual's consciousness, whereas we typically think of savant skills as accessing non-local consciousness from something like, say, the collective consciousness or body of knowledge, wherever that exists. And so to me, it really doesn't make sense to think of these things. Some things is impossible while accepting the others. To me, that to me is really demonstrating an anti-science bias. And so in looking at the literature that exists on EEG recordings from not only from savant, but from people that have demonstrated high abilities in, say, for example, remote viewing people like Ingo Swan, who has been extensively studied. We see that there are certain things that you can, information you can drive. For example, Ingo Swan had a characteristic seven-hertz spike that was coming out of this occipital lobe. And because we know the occipital lobe is involved in viewing, that's interesting. And that is not the kind of EEG that you see with just regular viewing. Similarly, we have data that is, that's been done on telepathy, looking at EEGs. And some of it shows that there's a right hemisphere dominance. But there have been exceptions to that. And some interesting work that was done separating out male from female people showed that actually the women actually engage in this process differently. And so at this time, I actually have seven savans who claim to have this non-local connection with a parent. And my goal is to gather as much data as possible doing simultaneous EEG recordings of both members of the pair to see what is going on in the brain. And if we can establish that there is a common pattern, then that is one of the pieces of evidence that really helps to push this paradigm along. But additionally, so many of these children and their parents, when I conversed with them and wanted to know what is going on with them, they describe this tenuous relationship between their mind and their body. And certainly, when you examine them clinically, you can see that many of them really have difficulty with the motor aspects of communication that predominantly it's really that the muscles that are needed either for speech or for typing that have been impacted. And so one of the things that has happened is as dutiful parents have put the time into trying to help their child develop the skills such that they can communicate once these children start communicating, that's when they discover that the child is actually quote reading their mind or accessing non-local information. And inevitably, many of these parents first approached me thinking that their child is saying that they thought their child was a savant with some other savant skills such as mathematics. And then it's when they discover that no, it's something else entirely. Fascinating. Thank you. And I want to toss the ball to Manisha so that she can give her her fascinating case study. Yeah. So Dr. Paul, like, so I'm Manisha Ladd and I am Akhil's mom. This is my first introduction. Akhil is our only 20 year old son who has autism. I used to say the statement he is recovering from autism. I no longer say that. But yes, he had savant skill and I had no idea what the savant skill are. And as Dr. Paul rightly said about reading the mind, so to 11 years of age when Akhil was completely non-verbal had no mode of communication. His school introduced this typing, supported typing method, and it was extremely controversial. And it was people where either we just had to choice whether they should believe or not believe. They also threw a concept of mind and body disconnect. And that time we had done Akhil's QEG and I was reading how the brain hemispheres work together and how his right side of his of his hemisphere was too active and what kind of connections. So we I had some idea about about the the the brain hemispheres. And as Akhil started typing, yes, there were a number of constant phenomena of Akhil going through my mind. Like if I'm reading something and if I'm not reading it loud, but Akhil would would already know about it. What am I reading? Example, if I'm going to set up to read a question paper, I see a question paper and I see, okay, there are five questions. While I go through it, he's already knew all those questions. So it was very tricky. And when the school was constantly talking about mind and body and Akhil started expressing through iPad, he made a very phenomenal statement saying, I cannot see my body in my mind. So it was such a difficult thing with no technology where EG was okay. He didn't had any severe abnormal EGs. He doesn't have he didn't have any seizures, you know, or we did had QEGs, but we had no mode of communication or no way how to explain all this to somebody when especially a mothers who are coming who are don't come from the medical field or or even if you come from medical field, I don't know how how many accepting this thing this methods are. And as we started communicating with him more and started asking him questions, like, they would teach him in school, what is number five and he and and or to give five objects, I could give five objects, that was one of the goal. Because school is all behavioral, they want to see the functional skills, we say something, we ask an individual to do an individual should perform. And that was a biggest difficult thing for Akhil, as Dr. Paul said about the motor issues. So I asked Akhil, Akhil, what is five? And he typed and said five means to give five things. So I put an almond in front of him and told him, okay, now give me five almonds. And he would like one, two, three, four, five, and he wouldn't stop. So I would bring my iPad again and ask him, why didn't you stop? He said, my brain doesn't give me instructions when to stop. So these were so so now this was all coming, I wouldn't make up if he's completely reading my mind, I wouldn't make up this for my child as a mother. So I was very, very firm that I'm going to believe in my belief in this because I believe I know how I think. Or if you teach him something, I'm teaching him very simple in integers, and he's laughing. And I said, Akhil, why are you giggling? And he would type and say, oh, this is used in many geometrical formulas where he was never even exposed to all this thing. So I had no idea where is this coming from? Or he would come and make a statement that, oh, the teachers in my school are not good enough. I said, then who are your teachers? And he would say my teachers are stars. So it was it was purely he was so much connected to the, the world and we had no clue how to get him. But as we explored many treatments and he would sometimes tell me, yes, this is not your mind answer, this is my mind answer. Because many times we would have, but now after working on his body and understanding him, we were able to bring in more treatment modalities for him. And once we started working on his body, touching his fingers, every finger, he would say, oh, I have hand and I have fingers and they move. And now there was also timing difference. When he used to play piano, he used to play like this with one, then I had to physically open his hands and fingers or, you know, from manually. And then when he would even use all these fingers, there was a timing difference even in the fingers. And now he's come to the point that he is able to put both the hands on the piano. And, and I don't have to open it. They just open, you know, so we had to work on his entire body. Now how to explain this? Because unfortunately, Achille gives a lot of output only to me because of that mind to mind relationship and the unconditional love and connection. That's how he operates. And it is so hard to explain, explain to people. And that's why when we approached Dr. Diane Powell and when we had a first experiment in our house with Dr. Paul and Dr. Deepak, and I approached Dr. Diane again, we need to bring in technology. And how now with the technology, how we were able to see some findings. So that really helps to, it is one way to see how can, how can we explain people? Because people want to see, everybody wants to see tangible. I want to see those blood markers in my blood or in the urine. But how can you show this? What is, what are the different ways? And that's where I again approached Dr. Diane Powell and thank you to her how she brings in such technologies and how we landed up to you Tiffany. It was like something, Universe has its own plan and I'm glad we're able to talk about this today. Absolutely. Thank you for explaining even more detail that I didn't have before Manisha. It's really a gift. I would like Paul to explain his experience. What I do want to say very quickly to acknowledge you what I have seen as a clinician and researcher myself, not as sophisticated as what Dr. Powell has been doing. But just in my clinical work with working with families is that the unconditional love is the key between that's one of the reasons that autism I believe is so prevalent these days is to help us increase our communication and also to really operate from the heart from unconditional love. That's what they're here to teach us I believe. So thank you for representing that and honoring that and seeing that you can have a successful relationship with your autistic child because of that truth. Yes, they have come here to transform us and there is a study done by Virginia University by one of the professors researchers Dr. Vikram Jaiswal and in his study he interviewed did a survey with 15 or 15 families especially all those individuals who type and all this mother said that once we accepted our children the way our relationship with them was totally different and they opened up to them because the acceptance is the key and it has to be with the integrity. You cannot fake a kill, you cannot fake anything to a kill. No, you cannot. He just gets it. Paul, can you speak to your experience? I'd be happy to. Thank you Manisha for explaining what you did and just all the loving work you've done with the Keele over the years that I've been familiar with the last few years and Dr. Powell, I appreciated your introduction and all of the really hard work and pioneering work you've been doing studying these children and to understand the capacity of the human being beyond what we ordinarily understand and accept. So as you know, I met you both a few years ago and it was in the context of doing some research studies at your house Manisha. I personally experienced that long local communication with the Keele. It was fascinating and beautiful and then we did our experiments and I was also very interested in those findings demonstrating repeatedly this communication that you have, the two of you together and that was really beautiful to watch and be part of and then as you know, you were here at our home some weeks back and we did some more experiments together and Tiffany's going to share the outcomes of some of those were those studies with the Biowell device and looking forward to hearing you get into that too. Yeah, but will you say a little bit more about your connection because it was Manisha reached out to Acute. Well no, it was how did Deepak get involved and Diane and Manisha were already connected right? Yeah, yeah, I can answer that. Please, please. So so what happened was is that I already I already had spoken with Deepak about Savant because of my work with Ramses and and introduced him to Ramses who's another child who has this non-local communication. He's also a child, the child who I previously mentioned who has acquired eight different languages at the age of two and he was able to read a college physics, actually it was a college astronomy book at the age of five and so he's one of the prodigious Savants and because of this, there's a famous Indian mathematician, I think his name is is it Ramadan? I think that's how you pronounce it and and so I knew that the chipper's center would be interested in Ramses as a potential person like Ramadan and so so I Ramana and Jooyah Ramana and Jooyah Ramana and Jooyah. Yes, and and so so I contacted him and arranged to meet with him and and and so I had this ongoing relationship and then when Manisha told me that she had this vision and I don't think she even knew that I knew Deepak or maybe she saw the video that I had done, she saw the video that I had done with Deepak in his office where he was basically inviting his followers to help fund my research and was having me explain what what my research was about and and Manisha saw that she knew that I had this relationship with him and she thought that it would be really help push things forward for him to to see Akhil and his abilities and asked me if I would invite him to witness one of my experiments and at the time he he had relocated to New York and so it was just a train ride or you know a car ride in you know and he was able to witness it along with with Paul. And I'll add that my experience with Akhil with a non-local communication, I was at my home in San Diego and we were preparing using computer generated integers and letters, random numbers and letters for the experiments and so while I was putting these together and we were printing them out on the card to put them in the envelope, of course I was aware of what we were planning to do but while I was doing it I had such a clear communication I suddenly felt Akhil in my own mind. I had never met him but the nature of non-local communication is there's so much information embedded within it and I knew immediately who he was and that I would be meeting him in person soon but it was as if he just came in, he was checking out what we were doing, getting ready for the experiment and then you know he withdrew his communication of course then I met him in person about a week later to do the experiments. I remember that I and Dr. Dhan we were in the in the you know you know somewhere in a grocery store and Dr. Paul you called her, before you left you called her and you shared your experience with her yeah so I remember that. Beautiful well we we've been speaking a little bit about some kind of capturing in the data from a QEEG and EEG and it's just not quite capturing exactly what's happening and then we come together it was not necessarily on the outset but there's been conversations amongst the four of us going on for a couple of years now as you know I work with this device called the Biowell and the Biowell is a subtle energy measuring device we're measuring the things that are in the subtle range maybe even before the QEEG is going to pick up anything as such and it's really just a totally different band of technology so the Biowell uses the fingertip meridians to make a measurement and we are seeing the biophotonic discharge a gas discharge off of the ends of the fingertips and getting an autistic child to sometimes put their fingers in a device is a bit challenging that I've worked with several physicians over the years and it's not the easiest capture to get so when I show you this data there's going to be some noise in the background because there's but you have to just sort of you learn to read through it because what we're going to be seeing are patterns and primarily the focus that we'll see today is the looking at mostly the chakras there are some things that we absolutely see with digestive patterns and some of the physiology that we see in repetition with children with autism but this is really the emphasis of what we did when we were together doing the measurements with you with your family and Akeel being present here in our house was the interaction of you two the interaction of Paul and the interaction with your husband and the non-local communication effects that we could see on the chakras and is it telling a similar story or is it telling a different type of story what I have typically seen with autistic children is that oftentimes they're not physically in their body it's like there's there's a body there but they're not oriented to their physicality and you will see that in the bio well by the chakras actually being a little bit outside of what we consider the optimal range or norm range so let me go into that and share so one of the things that so this is Akeel's data this is our actually let me begin and this is the first baseline that we did it was about it took some time to get both hands in there and that's okay but the information that we get around the field is it's all there there's patterns it's a bit choppy this is what we're looking at is not the auric field what we're looking at is the symbolism of or what I should say is the map what we're seeing is not the auric field we are seeing a map of the organ systems based on the homunculus of the hands and specifically the fingertips so we're not paying attention for this emphasis of what we're looking at so much on the physical but we are on the psychospiritual energetic and the baseline where where we would expect to well I shouldn't say expect what we aim for are elements of the chakras to be within the this ban of space it's a very light green and so from here you can see that there's movement of outside of current psychological time I like to describe this area between these these green spaces as current psychological time so if we look at all of these reference representation of the various chakras there it's there's not a lot that's physically present and and also Akia was in a new space so that's the first one then about 15 minutes after regular communication and Manisha would you please describe what regular communication is in it's not the telepathic but the regular communication a regular communication means like I just ask him questions and then he just types his answers or he verbally tells me like he says something I as if you know Akhil is not able to listen to his own voice it's like it's right he doesn't have any hearing problems but he says something and I repeat and he listens to my audio and he continues and I just repeat so if he wants to say I want to go in the car it doesn't come out so he says I want to then say I want to and then he adds the further many a times when it comes to individuals autism it is the other way around and a caregiver is telling to say this I want to go in the car but we don't do that it's with Akhil it's other way around that is the mode of communication I would say normal without using an iPad or without touching him or yeah so that is it okay beautiful so what we see here as a result of normal communication is the throat chakra now in the bio well we're also looking at the size in addition to the alignment the alignment is is sort of the the typical what we say the the sort of traffic light model but that's we expect chakras to be moving around in a healthy person and and so we want to be able to look at also what is the amount of energy present so we we see that the it's 6.3 joules and then also you know the heart chakra is also large 5.7 joules we're measuring literally in joules as well and so the aggregate total that you see up here is 5.5 joules and then this has to do with the representation also the chakra alignment the percentage of how much is within the the span of what we consider norm for age and gender and also like I said we expect this to be moving around so normal communication when we see it on this side of the screen or I should say the throat chakra on this side of the screen has to do with relationship to the outside of himself it's reaching out to others what you see here this is Russian software so they spell things a little bit differently but extrovert social life towards others work so it's literally the right side of the body it's like an outreach of of energy meanwhile his heart is going a little bit more of it to an internal space so when you see the chakras showing up on the opposite side it's more related to an inward conversation an inward connection so it's just an interesting thing to to consider and then the third eye chakra has has a lot to do with how he might even be visualizing and there I've heard you comment about how the world is represented to Achille in how he sees or how he hears and that's a little bit different so I'm going to move to the next one and this is a few minutes taken a few minutes after telepathic communication between you and Achille Manisha and look look at these two now in total alignment and it's and of course the throat even though he's not using his the verbal language the throat is still the energy of communication and that that's what we're also seeing here and then his his personal will the solar plexus chakra is taking a back seat it's it's more about an outreach with his heart connection to you seeing and and also the sacral chakra this is really fascinating the sacral chakra is representing mother as well so there's an outreach to you as as mom now yes it's on the technically the right side of the body but the communication is is going to you so would you and I can bring up yours as well but Dr. Dyed yeah please tell us where you would like to go next oh well you know one of the things I think is fascinating about this data is as you pointed out I mean the third eye chakra the indigo blue one and then the light blue one the throat chakra I mean those are exactly what you would have expected and exactly for them to be on the extroverted side and what's interesting is that many of these children do better when the the parent is on their right side and and sometimes they'll actually protest against doing it the other way and that makes sense if you if you're thinking of you know what this is and also I would like to add when Soma when we do the rpm method or when you do any teaching method Soma always tells you sit on the right side of the body and teach them the teaching has to happen through the right side so we always have to sit on the right side and this also shows like why one day Akhil had a meltdown in a bus and it was a major meltdown and he came home and everything we all were upset and I asked him Akhil what happened he just said one day he made a statement you have to teach the world how to how to read my mind because he says I have to read people's mind that is his operating system now imagine a challenge to his world when his operating system is like that this is how he operates and now on the other side we are fighting with the whole world and telling and again coming in from a mother's perspective like who are you you're just a mom you don't like what is the hypothesis where is the research so this is a big name this is a big name it is a beginning it's really beautiful yeah but one of the things I'm excited about is later next month I'm going to be introducing Ramses and this girl named Mia and Mia is very similar to Akhil and so we'll we'll see whether or not they go into a non-local communication with one another oh wow wow we need to take measurements of that of them well I'm going to bring the Biowell with me and and then Jeff Tarrant is going to be doing the QEG wow that's perfect beautiful beautiful wow keep us abreast of that um Manisha I think it would be good because you could you could speak to if you're open to it I could show your Biowell for the same essentially times that we were looking at it okay great okay so this is your first baseline okay and let us also say that you had to drive a couple of hours to come be at our house in the mountains of North Carolina so this is the the reading on this the interpretation is that you were a little even though it's all within the norm range it's just a little bit more in the reserve it's like you know that there's a job that you're about to do and and and and still keeping your presence your I am present for yourself your own power in place is also important and also recognizing that you're there to do a job you were on your way to to doing this so this is a second baseline a little bit more a little movement but kind of more in the same direction we always like to take two baselines we didn't on a keel because it's just a challenge just getting getting any uh interactions there so this is normal communication between you and a keel and so you know his was the outreach and what I've heard you describe and I'd like for you to put it in your own words is that you have to back out of the way you have to get out of the way in order for him to communicate but you you speak to that in your own words please so as I told you like what happens and you know this is so hard to I was looking for answers what what happens like I'm sitting here and whatever thoughts it's are there in my mind you know it's automatically it's in a kills mind or many a times our communication becomes very smooth if my mind and his mind are in a sink and that I also had heard from her his teacher she says when my mind information and the child's mind information is same then the then the then the when they start communicating it's smooth there are no it just so this phenomena is so hard to understand that how that the thought sometimes one of the my friend's daughter expressed that she asked that how come your information comes into my mind and she said that I pour in the information in your mind beautiful so yeah sorry it was this when you look at the crown chakra here that is right spot on online it's your own alignment in order to be able to receive that is one way I would interpret this and you know then also look at the size once again you're seeing 6.6 here a keels was 6.3 right and 6.7 so you were almost a match energy for energy in in measuring it from from that direction and then here's the one right after telepathy and your your throat chakra got to 7.1 and it's just fascinating and you've described it actually also how this used to drain you energetically and and you know maybe if we were looking at at other data at different timesets that you we may have seen that but we didn't have the measurements at that time but this was your self report that you didn't have you were coming away from the sessions with a keel being worn out and just energetically zapped and you haven't been that way and my interpretation of this is that you were not energetically zapped here you actually had your energy intact is that true from your perspective having yes yes so what happens like you know I have to I feel like I'm going to use the word submission I submit myself to him yeah and that's what we see here when you kind of just take a backseat yes I have to take a backseat because if there are thoughts in my mind and I can influence his I can influence he can get influenced with the torque so I have to I don't know how it happens but I think because of the integrity of so much of integrity and unconditional love for a keel which especially are into actions because I'm very hungry a mother to to find something for for a keel and I'm also very visionary visual I don't at back then also now also in the future also I don't require any doctor or any therapist or anybody to tell me that oh yeah a keel is going to get better a keel is going to do do this a keel because and when he was not even communicating and he was extremely hyper I made a statement to somebody that look he is going to do algebra and that time they used to laugh at me but now when they saw everything all this coming out the same person came and told me that I will never dare now ever to doubt any mother with a special need so you know this is a transformation which a keel has brought in in me and it is my transformation journey so so yes I have to submit myself I have to give myself it's like you become a devotee to a to God and you just love you know and you devote so now I say I'm now I see like back then like why I'm so much doing why can't I give up I can't I give up anything which you know I just don't give up if it's not working this way let's find the other way because that's my mom has taught me that never give up why it's not happening check it out and don't give and don't give up so now I say like okay I've devoted my life to a keel it's it's a devotion and same to my work and that's why I'm always happy I always look this is my happy state like a keel just doing a derivative is like a very happy state for me he's beyond that I'm I'm like such a child inside me that okay like this is so small what I'm trying to teach him like like when he talks about energies when he made a state he typed something about sound we were reading something about consciousness and quantum we were we just started reading a very small para and there is nowhere it has mentioned the word sound and he typed that sound is a form of matter for consciousness so he's beyond and I think it's I have to catch up a lot and I don't know whether it's going to be this life I'll be able to catch up because he's beyond my capacity what I can plan for a keel is very little so in fact I just go to him to learn okay what what does I need so I just go to him like what is it I need and he's constantly and I'm very glad you know when when Dr. Paul came to our house you know he introduced me to you and that time I had just started listening to Sadguru and because of Akhil I started listening to Sadguru I said like this guy is just talking like my Akhil so he must have should have a lot of answers and in one of the videos one of the topmost heart specialists from India asked to talk Sadguru a question about thoughts how can one this telepathic thoughts can go from one person's and he said that that phenomenon doesn't happen like you cannot say that I'm sitting here and I'm going to put a thought into your into somebody else's mind that it doesn't happen like that and he said I can only tell that when a thought comes into a person's mind automatically at that time it's going into the other person's mind so automatically it happens automatically at the same time it's not that you can plan something now I'm going to put something in Dr. Diane's mind or Tiffany's mind no it's automatically so it's a vibrational energy this is beyond our capacity to understand yeah well well thank you thank you Manisha and and thank you Paul and Tiffany I mean I you know I really really appreciate having this opportunity to collaborate with all of you and and I'm really looking forward to where this is going to go same here same here thank you so much for because this is an opportunity to for everybody to know that yes there is something like this and it is okay it is okay to accept this form of communication and it can show wonders so thank you yes it's sure Ken if I can add that for me much of this just reinforces the power of love and unconditional love and the magic that can happen when one human being fully and completely loves another then the gifts that are inherent all of us can begin to unfold and we're just talking about an example here but but who knows what else all of us contain within us to share with each other and this world we live in it's falling in it's the falling in love is that's why I use the word devotion I think that love I mean if you think about it every emotion has a frequency associated with it yeah and I really think that love is the carrier wave and and that's the way to think of it that's beautiful that is absolutely beautiful thank you so thank you for the your Manisha also just want to specifically call out the openness of your mind and the way that you are receiving and also broadcasting that love and I am just hopeful that that is the thing that is picked up from this conversation yes and if any scientists are so in called to this yes that we're measuring we we want to put more science behind it but we also need science to catch up and also stay open-minded so yes and here we go I want to add if if I don't do what I do and if I don't then I'm gonna lie to myself then lying to my Achille and I'm lying to myself so this has to come out and he's a trailblazer and he's opening doors for many so thank you Dr. Paul for continuing we need doctors like you and Tiffany and Paul Dr. Paul thank you so much because now we all are talking the same language and telling it is possible absolutely thank you so much thank you