 It's Wednesday. It's 11 o'clock. It's June the 16th, 2021. That can mean only one thing. What now, America? I'm Tim Apachele, your host, and today's title is UFO. The truth embargo is over. Believe it or not, in the next couple weeks, the Secretary of Defense and the Director of National Security is going to issue a report that is due out and it will be unclassified. It won't be a classified report and that report is going to be submitted to the committees of armed services, the armed services committees in Congress. They're going to get that report and basically what it's going to say is these observations that have been documented by Navy fighter pilots and these identified objects we used to call them UFOs, but now they're called unidentified aerial phenomena. UAP is a new acronym and before we go any further on UAPs or UFOs, we can observe the technology. We can take a look for ourselves on the video footage. 60 Minutes had a nice program on this about three weeks ago and you can look at the footage You don't have to correlate any kind of UFO or unidentified aerial phenomena with little green men from the planet Colac. It's not a binary choice. The good news is we can observe this, discuss it. It'll be on the news front here in a couple of weeks most likely and we're going to have to probably discuss it because it's a security issue for the United States and let me just go to what President Obama said recently and he said the following what is true and I'm actually being serious here is that there are there's footage and records of objects in the sky. We don't know exactly what they are. We can't explain how they move their trajectory. They did not have an easily explainable pattern and so you know I think people still are taking seriously and investigating and trying to figure what that is. So that's President Obama and then we have Harry Reid which we'll talk about in a minute as soon as I introduce our guests. So with me today is Jay Fiedel, Stephanie Dalton and Winston Welch. Good afternoon or good morning everyone and welcome to What Now America. So Jay before I ask you a question let me let me point out something Harry Reid our former Speaker of the House. He was Speaker of the House at the time. In 2007 he dedicated 22 million to a secret program called the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program and basically it was identified these things in the sky that no one can seem to identify what they are and certainly the technology involved on the trajectory and how they move. So what Harry Reid said recently was I'm glad the Pentagon is finally releasing the footage but it only scratches the surface of research and materials available. The U.S. needs to take this seriously and take a scientific look at this as any potential national security implications the American people deserve to be informed. So with that in mind Jay we have President Obama and Harry Reid basically saying there is a security threat or potential security threat and we are going to submit a report and it's going to discuss UFOs. Why now why after 75 years do you think our government which is denied all all all you oppose for 75 years why now all of a sudden. On Tuesday. Blow Tuesday. Yeah this is really how do I say I just don't put any stock at all in this zero. You know if if any pilots sort of up close that might change my view but they didn't they saw it at a distance and then there you know let the scientists figure out what the explanations might be but meanwhile it hasn't touched us we it hasn't done anything it hasn't been a threat. You know it goes on a list of things that maybe somebody in the back office some scientists in the back office of DoD or NASA should be studying it does not go at the top of the news heap. The news heap is the undermining and the destruction of our democracy this is no more no less than a distraction let us not distract ourselves. Well that's a topic of today so we are going to distract ourselves for a bit. You know what's going to come out of this report and I think the the Washington Post has already got a glimpse of it and it's going to say basically three things. Number one they can confirm that the United States does not have this technology that's one. Two they don't think or they don't know if China or Russia has this technology but if they do that would put us severely at a disadvantage. I'm going to remind everybody to October 1957 when Russia sent up a satellite called Sputnik and it sent the United States of population in a panic because now Russia had a technology that no one else had and not only did they not have the technology it was circling the orbit around the United past the United States. So basically what I'm saying is if this technology exists and the United States is going to confirm they don't have it does that put us back into the days of 1957 where we better figure out what it is and get it ourselves. Your thoughts. Well if this had some indication of being relevant to national security or to technology as might be used for national security that is one thing but you know I think that just as likely it could be an atmospheric phenomenon. I do not think it comes from the planet Kovac. Kovac you meant you named the planet a little while ago. I didn't mean I think I did I said Kovac but that's all right. I pulled that out of the thin air like like everything else I do. Well my wife and I do not sit at the breakfast tables talking much about Kovac. I said in order to discuss this topic we need not go to planet Kovac to discuss it. We're talking about a technology that is probably most likely a national security threat or initiative. Remember this is the military that waited five hours before releasing the National Guard. This is the military that has Mike Flynn or Mike Flynn's brother at the core of national security decisions and we haven't really gotten to the bottom of it. This is this is a military who is resisting you know commissions. This is a military where individuals from the military participated or supported the January 16th insurrection. So you know I just I come back to the same point. If they could explain to us why this is relevant, why it's really a technology rather than a weather phenomenon like a rainbow you know you can't get to the end of it. You never actually can touch it and it doesn't do anything to you. It could be you know refracting light who knows but it's certainly not something that has immediate relevance to us and I don't think it's going to be you know if they if they saw this stuff in 1946 you think they had that technology then? I don't think so. I mean if there was really a question of technology some of the various technology by Russia or by China went did they have it in 1946? It sounds to me like this is all a distraction sorry and I mean we can speculate about it but there's nothing no hard evidence of anything and it sounds to me like it's political or worse. I go back to the question why now? Slow news day you know somebody wants to distract us all of a sudden but you know the reality is where in terrible straits was what did Rachel Manow call it just a five alarm fire on voting rights then and we have all these people going to Washington and trying to explain to Republican senators they should vote for voting rights. You know I'm here to tell you maybe it's because of the infrared or ultraviolet rays coming coming out of these UFO things that is affecting our judgment you know but the Senate especially we're not going to get a voting rights bill and you know I think people have got to focus on what happens now and that includes Merritt Garland he's got to focus on what happens now and so you know I'm not sure that the meeting with Putin made any difference. I doubt that Russia has this kind of technology I mean I'm not even sure what kind of technology we're talking about. Why now? The media will pick up anything that it feels will interest the public anything and it's giving us a break from the normal the normal ebb and flow of political news and we should probably appreciate that. You know the Pentagon released this I mean in 60 minutes interview you had a very lengthy discussion with the two Navy pilots that observed these directly. I saw that and I was impressed. Did they seem credible to you? They seemed credible to me. They did they did but it doesn't matter because they maybe were credible maybe not credible. I don't think we can afford to deal with this and I think that even if they're credible it's not for us to make scientific decisions. We don't know enough and what's happening is the media is exciting everybody and the military is exciting everybody and DOT is going really bird over this but the reality is we don't know anything so we're going to get you know 330 million people all wound up in UFOs now. That has got to be the last thing on the plate. All right thank you Jay I knew I could count on you. You know Stephanie this isn't the first time the Pentagon has had to deal with producing a report. Now this report by the way I think came at the direction of Marco Rubio or at least he's one that's going to be one of the key recipients of this Pentagon report but this this actually was attached to a COVID funding bill and I don't know if it was one of those uh coat hangers that was put on at the last minute but be as it may it it was the funding for this this research and this report it was coming of one of the COVID expenditures so but like I said back in 1952 there was something called Project Blue Book and from 1952 to 1969 there was a cabal of the will of selected people in the government that it was their sole mission to investigate the phenomena of UFOs and report on it and after all those years over 12,000 eyewitnesses and reports over 12,100 or so there were all as Jay would say all explained away except for 710 of them there was no explanation whatsoever of what what they were and how they were put that aside so when they come out with this report in two weeks what if what if the report says we believe China or Russia or both have this technology and therefore the United States doesn't does that shift the the balance of power from a military sense and does that put us into a spending race a space race if you will back in the early 60s where we were spending a lot of money trying to catch up with the Russians and as you know the space race is history we had a lot of successes and we had some failures but we spent a whole lot of money doing it does that put us not into a an expenditure race as we did back in the late 50s early 60s well you know I think that I understand from the experts that have reported on TV that I've seen them on programs but like Jay says it's atmospheric or it's optical illusion it's that sort of thing that that is probably occurring so far they've been on threatening the Navy pilots were still very far away I didn't see any of these guys like taking off straight for it let's find out what this is so until they do that and get some hard evidence I think we stuff to leave it in that realm of very very unexplainable and as they've always said with these things however on the on the side just to add this just to remind everyone that more than 70 million people in this country think that Trump is still the president and he's been the best president the country has ever had okay I want to remind everybody let me be a perfect day I want to go with that point because what if uh this report says the technology exists but we don't know who we don't know who has it but it exists does that give the opportunity for a QAnon and the WACOs associate with QAnon or or some new group the opportunity to take this to the next level well I was going to say that was my next point because your question was that was your question originally and it's just like when we saw with COVID the COVID vaccine it's not like when Trump said oh let's get a vaccine that that's the first time the scientists picked up the test to I mean this was already ongoing part of the process of science and investigation into viruses so we there was already a huge a trend to get into this new way of addressing an attack of a virus like COVID-19 so well I think with with the UFOs if it turns out that that is it is real somebody is doing this the fins or with to zakistan or somebody's got this new way of thinking about things that can make them do magic things I believe it'll be like the men in black we've already got somebody working on this it won't be to that extent or that well developed or having you know colonies of tourists you know from other planets hidden underground but there's already somebody I'm sure that we have got a lot of advanced work you know like on the the plane that's under the radar and you know all of those technologies you know we're undercover for a very long time so I don't think we'd be starting from scratch or anything if it turned out to be real then yes I think whoever's doing this fast forward scientific effort of the big brains and the scientifically knowledgeable guys are out there building some things that they would fund that and we would get something going so yes I think there'd be a lot of money going into whatever that secret project is or that special project that yeah we can find out that this is actually emanating from kazakhstan and it's a bunch of clever kazakhstanis who have found clever ways to manipulate yak me into exactly I'm taking a wild subject you're trying to make it serious and you're just not helping right now okay I mean I'm sure we're whatever it may not be an area 57 but there definitely is money in our money tax money and I think we want it in an advanced a very advanced study of how to improve our technology by leaps and is this more or less important than the voting bill we're going to get through these things as soon as I get done with my question to winston j if you allow me we're going to get to this very thing winston I know you'll take this a little more seriously than mr fidel and that is we've already you know harry reid spent 22 million dollars of taxpayer dollars back in 2007 to fund this this effort to find out what these what these this phenomena is up in the sky and apparently I don't know how much out of the covid bill was spent on this but it is taking some resources and it's going to be reported in the next two weeks um where do we go from here is this are we get I'll ask this the same question to you as I asked ephony would this put the united states in a new spending race because we don't have that the technology now they're going to confirm the united states does not have this this secret aerial technology that's been witnessed by by not only these two pilots but several other pilots before um do we get ourselves into um a twist and start spending money hand over fist trying to figure out what it is and how to get it well it goes to jay's point I go to jay's point there's a lot of other things that we need to deal with there are a lot of other things that we need to deal with I agree it's probably a slow news day but mr fidel just said that he does not believe there's a leprechaun at the other end of the rainbow with pot of gold so I think we really need to question pretty much everything that comes out of his mouth at this point so for those of us that do believe in the leprechaun at the end of the rainbow for the pot of gold I would just state that um you know it does get right back to the slow news day voting act rights all of that because what it comes down to is when gallup surveys people and it says whether they believe in ufo's or not a majority of americans uh in a gallup poll in 19 2019 said 68 percent felt the government was withholding information uh that was down slightly from 71 percent in 1996 so what is pointing is is like a third of people believe basically in in us uh ufo's in this that that have landed here and this is true for men women old young catholics protestants uh independence republicans democrats independence actually believe it a little bit more people in the west believe it a little bit more than the people in the east um but i think what we're what we're seeing here is that uh you know and then and half half of americans think that uh people like ourselves exist somewhere else in the universe 75 percent believe some other form of life exists so what i think that there's this feeling is it goes back to an essential distrust of government are they really doing the right things are they lying to us are they lying to us well there's another poll that i was reading about why do americans and forbes believe in conspiracy theories one in five younger americans has heard that uh that we're being implanted with microchips from uh the uh with the vaccine versus one in 10 older folks so it's getting worse it's not getting better um you know the number of people who say that bill gates is uh you know done that his foundations are are good um younger americans only one in three agree with that statement whereas um over 60 uh half of the people agree with that statement that his foundation has done good in fighting hunger and poverty so we're seeing actually a trend towards more um acceptance of uh i won't even call them fringe ideas just ideas that say whatever the government is saying or what are these these institutions that we trust and believe in um are our our suspect and uh whether there's it's a foundation like bill gates or whether it's your congressman and then you have folks like marjorie taylor green who doesn't help with the jewish space uh lasers you know coming in so you know we have so many um ideas out there there's more people that believe in qanon than our episcopalians in this country and so i think that you know we've got some serious um issues here about credibility and who to believe when to believe why to what to believe um you know of course the real news is right here on think tech and mr fidel to his credit i'm gonna i'm just gonna leave my mind open to the idea of no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow i'm holding out hope um if the aliens are here you know and and we've had as humans we're fast aliens are here if they come here if they visit with us maybe even take us over i sure hope they give us a voting rights bill well that may mean but you got to think about like okay so if the aliens were here to destroy us and they were just here for our resources we wouldn't be here having this conversation right now most likely and i and i think that in all we have had a war of the world remember when that came out on the radio orson wells uh and that freaked out people uh and that was in the 30s right and so we have this fascination we have something inside of our collective unconscious as humans that there are aliens that have um landed on this planet that maybe were our four bears or whatever maybe they left us here to figure it out i don't know look at uh the space uh that the space Odyssey movie in the 69 that came out um that starts with the right the the uh the obelisk giving that the monkeys the power to make fire or kill each other whatever it is that they did uh you have it again and again that this is in range in our culture so it's interesting for us and it's a distraction at this point distraction or not the new story of this and why i'm reporting on it is for the first time in 75 years the united states government is acknowledging the existence of this technology that's the news story and then we're going to leave it we'll find out more in two weeks or three weeks whenever this report comes out they're never gonna they're not gonna tell us what they really know i mean we all know that and even if they did then you'd still have people believing and if they told us everything you'd still have the majority of americans believing that they're still hiding something so it doesn't matter what they say or don't say at the end of the day we do need the voting rights bill that there you go switching gears j speaking of hiding things the trump administration's department of justice lo and behold was hiding all sorts of things and uh apparently spying on on congressman democratic congressman one being adam schiff and eric sawwell yes sawwell sawwell yeah um this is very nixonian yes it is the coin of phrase yeah well but you know i'd like to offer a reaction on that is this just like you know the the first story and the ufo is uh we we don't know what we don't know but we know there's something that we don't know we know that um and and i would and i would i would venture to say this is the very very tippy tip top of the iceberg and that if he was doing this god knows what else he was doing um if he had the chutzpah to go after congressman and take their records what about you tim what about you stefanie what about you winston you think you were exempt somehow it would have been so easy for him to have a pre-see on all of us um so i you know i think i think the real revelation here is is that we we we knew this in our hearts didn't we we always knew this from day one tim right from the day we started trump week and now we find that our our um inclinations were were true but also it it affirms the notion that he was he was doing this on a broad basis and he was the worst part of course is that he was getting the justice department to do injustice i mean incredible do you do you think that uh jeff sessions former attorney general and bill bar former attorney general should be subpoenaed and discuss what they know about this specific uh invasion of uh to congressman i have to say absolutely in lithuanian yes yeah yes yeah okay there it is oh absolutely this we have to get to the bottom of this and it's not because we want to chase trump around which we do but we want to find out what happened we want to find out the depths of it uh we want to make damn sure that it doesn't happen again this is a violation of every principle in our government i mean you don't you don't have to be a historian to know that and to find out that he did it just opens the whole issue about where are we these days where have we been how vulnerable are we in the future this has got to be examined there should be punishment there should be punishment about all the people who were complicit and we know some of them but we don't know a lot of them and we we have to take steps to make sure it never happens again you know up till now the public talk about public perception has thought only the highest noblest thoughts about the department of justice after all it's about justice it's supposed to do the right thing you know it's the uh it's the incarnation of uh of john f kennedy um and teddy not teddy but the robert kennedy and so i'm to find out now that it is rotten maybe even to the core uh and even now being perpetuated under merrick garland who hasn't gotten rid of these people they have to one one left the other day but they all have to be rooted out the whole place has to be turned upside down like a flapjack and examined and fixed we're uh stephanie we already had one member of the attorney general's office resigned quickly uh because i'm sure all fingers will be pointing at that individual i forget his name right now but uh should we expect more in the eight the department of justice to basically flee because uh they're going to get wrapped up in this story consequences i mean they're going to do what they're going to do and if we don't have some impetus to kick kick them out i mean this is getting back to the garland issue again and all of the other concerns that jay raises i mean i am desperate over this because that we're just going on here nothing is happening these people are able to do these things the rest of the people that follow them are encouraged to continue and one one of the things that has come out in addition to they're getting all of that personal information which is unconstitutional finally it's true what i surmise had to be the case that trump gives people mortal threats mortal threats death threats children getting killed or hurt threats and these are being reported by all of the people he approached to change the voting outcomes in the various states and they are now saying yes i'm a wreck i'm a wreck i have to have 24 hours you know supervision surveillance around my home i don't know who's coming after who and they're saying they're going to hurt my wife it's outrageous and why is there nothing happening in a big way this is a good point good point we're running out of time here but i want to get your opinion on this you know this was all about uh find out who the leakers were in the trump administration and uh donald trump as you know was not very pleased about it and i'm sure any president is not being is not pleased about leaking uh sensitive information to the press but that's how this all originated uh where do we go from here i mean the merrick garland has already is already committed that he's going to abolish uh this type of activity moving forward but does it stop does it stop there and will it continue not to to occur pretty milk toast to me i you know so he's making a nice rule that could be overturned in one second or just ignored i mean just the fact that these people felt emboldened to do this in the first place speaks volumes about everything uh that while we have these norms and values uh they are not universally shared and i don't expect for bill bar or just sessions to come and incriminate themselves again this is this is a this is part of the mass cleaning restructuring reinforcement talk about american infrastructure we need to start with our government and and just reinstituting looking at these things of all the ways that people have gotten around and over and through and and that it was just became uh so corrupt and corruptible um in ways that we normally couldn't imagine so while jay is pushing rightly for voting voting rights and all of that we're still dealing with an electorate that was willing to elect this in the first place so we have fundamental issues here of education of um of awareness of of ethical behavior of what is right and wrong and and that we need to step back and look at those and do the best we can to show up our our our great nation on an individual level on a city level on a state level and we're uncovering this stuff there's a lot more to come about this um i'm not i i'm not uh hopeful that we're that we're gonna get a lot of um prosecutions out of it but we may if we can uncover the truth and at least know what happened and then do steps to take care of the damage and reverse it and stop it from happening again by really shoring up in every way possible that's the best we can the department of justice wrap this chew gum and walk at the same time i mean we do have a january 6th inquiry the investigations from the fbi all sorts of agencies um can they can they take this one on as well absolutely we need special councils for this if white house if nixon had something this is this makes nixon look like a kindergartner in many ways i mean this is this was so so pervasive throughout our entire system i mean you didn't you didn't have 10 former joint chiefs of staff or saying we don't use the military to adjudicate um uh these elections this this is so much more important than uh than that i they're both of course important but comparing it to nixon i think is is not fair not reasonable this is this is just so much worse and uh and we're we're also 40 50 years down the road we should have learned by now and had much better systems in place but again we can thank the last administration for showing us where these huge swiss cheese holes are and and how to patch them up just in reverse um uh engineering great point you know it's uh we're about a time but i do want to go around the table and say uh what what are your last thoughts uh jay what do you think's going to happen in here in the next week or two well it'd be more reaction certainly we'll find out about you know whether the meeting with budin was a nothing burger or what um and that that again is a matter of you know is it really priority if it's nothing burger i'm not sure it is but to me voting rights is a priority and the doj is a priority priority if you ask me what might happen it's useful is the um initiation of these investigations that's what we need to save our democracy you know we are in a five alarm fire we are in a tipping point of losing it and the the only way out of this is to find out what happened and take action and uh i would leave you with with one phrase that winston used a minute ago and that is a special counsel the doj doj should not be investigating itself it has to have a third party special counsel of impeccable credentials and uh you know honesty and so forth uh to take a look at this and it should not be anything like the muller report nothing like the muller investigation all right thank you deafening your last thoughts and you know winston brings up a great point and that is once again we're finding out what the trump administration was all about for its last four years and it's it's paying off in spades as they say uh we're learning more and more and gee we're only you know eight seven months out of the uh the you know the transfer of power it's amazing so many people knew that including his uh uh felton was reporting today on what what trump should be doing it with the art excuse me what biden should be doing with hooten that he was just incompetent and totally unprepared to be or a capable of being president but um i wanted to say that i don't know the steps for it if it's a special counsel but why are we not removing immediately this uh this prohibition on indicting a president so i can't understand other countries are speaking to it that there's no reason to have in this democracy a person that is immune it's the same thing as having a king or an emperor that they can do anything they want without any consequences so we're really suffering from that and it's got ramifications all the way down through the hierarchy and uh why we don't get on that again goes back to the voting rights act where we got to have that federal piece come in and get us in a situation of having voting work to get people in office who will carry out the duties and their obligations to the american people great you know the southern district of manhead may have a a point on that uh in the next uh six to 12 months you never know uh Winston your last thoughts please yeah i mean it may just be that the punishment comes in the in the form of the almighty dollar i don't know there's the court of public opinion that's very uh substantial in this nation and i would be stunned let's see what comes out in some of these revelations but honestly um we have we found that that half of our nation would accept the behavior of one person to do anything to literally kill someone in the middle of the street and have no repercussions for it so i think that um you know the punishment will come in other ways and it should come from the collaborators uh who who uh carried out these things and and were hoodwinked and a lot of my like uh the Q and on shaman he says he was a member of a cult and that's what his lawyer's defense is now and honestly uh i kind of am inclined to agree with it and as we all become wake up from this nightmare and bad dream with uh truth and reality and it's presented in a gentle way that's allowed to sort of um go into the mass consciousness will come to different understandings and the way to say yes in Lithuania's type i think taip i'm not sure how you pronounce it so there you go jay brush up before our next session and we'll get and if the coming things help us you know in star track i mean there was no more war disease or hunger within like two generations when after first context so for the trackies out there um we're holding out hope you know i tried as hard as i could to keep the alien quotient uh you know out of this and you guys you didn't didn't disappoint me you brought it in you had to bring it in all right well you heard it here you heard it here on think tech ally and that is the following we don't know what we don't know as it pertains the ufo's or spine on congressman thanks to jay fight out in his quotation jay i like to thank you for joining us Stephanie Dalton and winston welch thank you one and all for joining us on what now america join us next wednesday 11 o'clock i'm tim apple cell your host and i have been invaded by aliens aloha