 So this meeting is being recorded to the town of Amherst YouTube channel. It will be uploaded by our IT department. And I think everyone for joining us at this time, there's, there are not members of the public in the attendee room. I will make the chair, the host of the meeting and. Okay. I wish you all a great meeting. Thank you. Bye bye. Thank you for the list of names that you're going to refer to. Okay. I'll read the thing pursuant to chapter 20 of the acts of 2021. This meeting will be conducted via remote means. Members of the public who wish to access the meeting can do so by clicking on the live link to this zoom meeting. That can be found on the public meetings calendar on the town of Amherst website or by dialing in by phone. The public is able to comment during the public comment segment of. The posted agenda by raising their hand. This meeting is being recorded and will be posted to the town of Amherst YouTube channel. All right. And sorry, I had a time if I sound stuffy or sneeze and sesame because I've got really bad allergies today for some reason. All right. So. Do we have any members of the public with raised hands? No, we do not. All right. So for chair report. I've talked to Kamal Peters about poetic dialogue. He's, he's on the mend and he's working again. So he'll be doing it very soon. He was very distraught about the whole situation. And he's an Amherst native. He's very anxious to get it fixed. He just had to do like a couple of quick things first, because while he was out, you know, he's an independent artist. He was making no money. So he had just had to do a few things quick to make some money so that he could pay the rent. But we're like at the top of his queue for getting some stuff done, getting that point of dialogue back to normal. It's going to require taking it down again and taking off the old rebar and then issuing new rebar and putting in new holes into the rocks and putting it in. How much is that going to cost? Him. I'm, he's absorbing the costs. So I'm not, I don't know how much it's going to cost him. Aside from his time, but like for materials, I don't know. But it's not going to cost us anything, which is good news for us. I mean, it's bad news for him. He, he realizes he made the mistake and he's upset about it. But it does like turn it like, like, I guess already the job was kind of like, not a very high paying one for him, but he did it for his love for Emerson, then like getting all the attacks and stuff made it just kind of like, oh man, come on. He was just trying to do a good thing and he just, he made a mistake. He made an honest mistake and he owns to his mistake and he realizes that, you know, it was totally his mistake. It is sad. The whole thing is very sad because he's a good, a good artist and he's standing by his work. He just had a, what he calls a brain fart. But, you know, yeah, he's not the first. It won't be the last. I think he said that true thing. I guess the other thing I've got to say can go into other things so we can move on to making it public. Making it public. I've got a meeting. Let me look it up to so I can tell you exactly what it is. If anyone else wants to join, maybe I can get another slot and it's going to be on Wednesday, the 31st of August at three. It's going to be Marine Pollock is going to be going into that meeting. She's part of the planning board. And she's going to be kind of like the, the wheel that grinds through the project. And I'm going to be going to that meeting. There's other people in town that are going to be going to that meeting. And other entities in the town. I'm not sure exactly who else all is going. I don't think. Marine entirely knows right now either. I don't know. I've got a couple ideas. Do you guys have any ideas that we want to throw into the pot for making it public ideas? I don't really know where it stands exactly. And so I don't know what the meeting that you're going to is focused on or anything like that. Yeah, I don't think there is a focus yet. I think that's like, we're trying to, this is just like an initial brainstorm. I'm not sure how we're going to go into this. I think sort of. I mean, I think it's just as to how to. Benefit the town from being part of the making it public. See thing that the state's done. Yeah. Okay. So, um, I guess one thing I think is that. I think that this commission needs to make some kind of big And like I've said a lot of times if, if the money from the building projects. Truly materializes the accountability of the commission is going to be. At stake. Yeah, us. Yeah. Commission meeting us commission. Yeah. Okay. And I, you know, everybody right now likes to talk about how. The federal CDC leads by. Following. You know, and that's what this commission has to do in a way is decide to. Do you want to, how much do you want to have policies and vision. Already intact and ready to deliver as a group. To entities like the planning board. When you're asked to, to do something. Like, I, I sent you. So she'll show on some. Really short. Random samples of public commissions. And art entities calling for public art. Within their communities of different sizes. But you can see by the language in it and by the. Targeted nature of a lot of it. They have really specific things in mind. I mean, I'm not saying we have to do this, but it seems like if the commission wants to feel that it's got a real. Voice in the mix. We've got to have some, some kind of vision. Like it can be real small. You know, but I, I have, I've been coming to the meetings now for almost a year. And I still feel like I don't know what's going on. But I do know that those utility boxes have been painted. And I think they're great. And I know that the park, Kendall park, I guess it's called. Had stuff in it and then removed from it and maybe is coming back. It's the, the Frank grid and spoon stuff that is there now. Oh, it is. Yeah. I feel, I feel incompetent in terms of like really, I feel like I'm in a pain storm because I don't know where I'm supposed to be going. So, Dara, how would you accomplish making these big decisions and coming up with a voice? What steps would you take? Well, I think we're, we as a group, that's what you do in a meeting, you talk about what if, and, and then you, you don't try to settle on something right away, but you get ideas about how you can represent. A broad responsible vision of art in a very sweet, small community like Amherst, it's a great town for art. It's always loved it. It's got plenty, plenty things about it that really like shows that it tears about it. You know, and so I remember in one meeting, Bill talked about how this commission was ignored when the planning committee did its report that we were sent and artists talked about a whole lot in the, whatever document we were sent. But I don't know. I just don't know what I actually don't know what I'm supposed to do. Well, I'm trying to figure out how you would propose to move from the abstract to the specific. I don't have a problem agreeing with you on your abstract ideas, but then you have to move down to some very specific things. So give me an example of a specific and then I'll know what territory I'm supposed to be in. Well, a specific would be we would like to see more visual art in public spaces and Amherst perhaps, we would like to promote more concerts on weekends, perhaps that kind of thing. Those are specific so you can if you talk on the abstract level as I like to think to, but that doesn't you need to turn it into reality. It has to be. It has to be concrete. I think I think that's what I'm actually asking for is that as a commission as a group. We do some kind of talking about specifics and and make a kind of cope not not strict but coherent kind of Pat like you want to cover all the arts. You in your examples just now you you mentioned visual arts you mentioned music. I know there's plenty to do with written things all over the place. It's like, so I understand that and then so what do we say, do we say, oh, we want to put a call out for X. And you look you think about what is that going to include. Is it going to be like something for people in it like for teenagers to do something special for art. You know, there's so many categories you can break down into and I don't have a big preference or anything I just wanted us to maybe talk about it at some point. Yeah, well, that's why I think we need to talk about what kind of projects we would want to bring forth in this meeting because I've got three ideas so far for this, this making a public project. And I was just wondering if you guys I was hoping that you guys would have some ideas to, or, or maybe you guys could help me develop my three ideas that I'm going to bring. Great. So, can we hear your ideas. Yes, definitely I just what was wanting to hear your ideas first if you guys had anything, but I've got three ideas. One is realignment park. It's looking rather shabby, and it's actually like a little piece of downtown Amherst that belongs to the art commission. And it's been gone to seed it doesn't look good. Where is it. It's, um, do you know where like that metal cow is downtown. Yes. It's like kind of behind the metal cow like, like the back end like if you were, if you were at the cow and you were walking like back into town from the cow. There's a little spot with like a little stone that says like realignment park art commission. That's so funny. I've never noticed that little sign and I walk by there a lot. Exactly. And how much you have with your ballpark estimate of the space, like 10 by 15 or 10 by 10, like, yeah, maybe 10 by 10, maybe a little bit longer. I'm not really sure I've never seen it like plotted on a map. But like, it's a, there's a little space there and there's like some kind of like little wall that's got like, like little bushes and stuff that have like wildly tried to start up start up there but there's no like, there's no landscaping that's under control in that little spot. Yeah. So, well, that's, that's a good thing. That's, that's a good thing to focus on. That's got to something. I felt like that for a while, but it's just never been a priority because it's not like splashy, I guess, or something. Yeah, I'll commit to going and looking at it before between now and the next meeting and trying to come up with some ideas of what might be installed there. Yeah, actually, if you could look at it before the 31st, and then either call me text me or email me any ideas that you might have because the 31st is that meeting. Do you have any ideas right now that you kind of have just speculated about for there now. I, I could have vision a few different things going on I could see like, maybe like a, like a bench to sit and write poetry or something with flowers around, or I could see like some sort of sculpture thing going in there. I wonder, yeah, I like the, I like that it's small, I think that's very cool to have a real small, small thing to work on. You know, Can I just make a point please send them to Ellen but do not send copies to anyone else or discuss them because, or you could discuss them if you only send them to Ellen. Send them to a quorum of the committee, it will possibly have violated the law, especially if you discuss them. Okay. Anyway, oh okay so in fact, Jim you were telling me in a way that we can't discuss things except in an open meeting. Well we can right now because we don't have a quorum. Oh, we're not even having a meeting right now. No, it's not a legal meeting we don't have a quorum. Oh, okay. According to Angela she says a quorum is the majority of your total allotted members and we only have four members out of seven so unless we get everybody here we don't have a quorum, according to her. I don't doubt her but being a lawyer I'm going to check. I don't think everybody has to be somewhere to make a quorum that otherwise the word quorum means nothing. Her definition of quorum is a majority of the people who could be appointed which is seven. The people who have been appointed is four. I say it could be. I think a quorum makes more sense if it's the number of people who are sitting inactive. Right. But she cited open meeting law and I'll go check. Okay. I like the answer so I'm going to say, if I like the answer I just keep my mouth shut. Right, right. Which means we can't actually vote on minutes today. Nope. Oh no really you got those minutes that you asked. Yeah. Yeah. Good. I mean she knows what she's doing so the chances are very high that she's right. I just, you know, wanting knowledge that. From what she said then there will potentially be more members by the next time we meet. Yeah, that would solve the problem another way. Yeah, I would really like that. Yeah, that's like it's just too much for, you know, three, sometimes four of us. And there's so many more kinds of representation that can go on. Anyway, I like that. I like the idea of a sculpture in that space. I, I don't favor a bench that you can write poetry on because I think people will sit on it and not write poetry. Well, we have a lot of benches anyway and that's okay. I mean I think sculpture is always kind of great because it's, it's it is more abstract to use that word you were taught using earlier. And it allows people to have really very immediate involvement with see seeing what they see, you know, and saying something about it and that's good. Yep. So I think we should probably get some kind of focus on something we can manage, like let's promote sculpture in various places let's let's pick something that we can deal with, and try to get that promoted. But I'm interested in the other two ideas that show. Well, one is my pie in the sky event that I've been dreaming about for years of having like on Indigenous people's weekend have like when all the foliage is in full effect. I'm having a hike on the Robert Frost trail event, where there's like different spots along the trail where there's different art going on like there'll be some dance, there'll be some poetry readings, there'll be some music. Am I forgetting anything maybe some plein air art painting, you know, and like people could walk through, you know, a stretch of the Robert Frost trail and experience all these different kinds of art while they're also enjoying the foliage. And I've have a alternate idea with this of having it on the rail trail so that it would be accessible to the disabled to which seems like it would be a little more grant worthy if it was right accessible. Okay, so I think if we do something like that, somehow it ought to tie in the generating support for art, and in particular probably us, but only because we're charged with supporting art. I think the way it would support art is that we would pay the artists that would be at the different stations. Yeah, but I'm thinking about something continuing or something having lasting impact, because I believe we've discussed that we don't have much impact which I certainly agree with. So my thought is that the next year might be devoted to trying to figure out how we could have a lasting impact and then build on that the next year with specific projects. So my my argument is that everything we do this year should have some salutary effect on our continuing impact on the town. How do we achieve this do you think. Well, let's see, let me think about this so we have the rail trail idea. I'd like to be going to have music and art. Okay, so how do you make that last. Could you get like people to sign up for so we had the mailing list that we could start mailing information to people about art, perhaps. You could do that. Right now we don't have any, we know we can't send out an email to get support about anything because we don't know who's interested in art but if we started getting that information that would be the basis for being more effective because we'd have the email list that we could send out hey there's got concert or have you seen the new sculpture sculpture that went up or etc and here's a here's what we're doing here's a monthly report that kind of thing. Does somebody have a connection that's real friendly and positive with the Amherst Bulletin people who report on the arts. Probably my wife does. I used to but I don't any longer. I bet my wife does because she seems to have that with everybody. Because I think that's one thing that like if it's not as if the Amherst Bulletin isn't looking for news. And if you feed them enough news and on a regular basis they're going to they're going to pay more attention to what you're doing. Then, if they don't have anything at all, you know, right. Go ahead. Well give them a newsworthy event. Yeah, I'm just picking up on what you're saying. Well like how about somebody. How about them reporting on fixing the dialogue. Oh, what a good idea after it's done. It's the story. Yes it is. Did you read the story of the poetic dialogue from like two weeks ago. Oh no. Yeah, we were in. We were quoted from our meeting just like it is right now. Well, it was in the article. Not particularly no, it was in the, what's that one that comes in the, in the mail now, the reminder. Yeah, I don't know what's the name but I know what you mean. Oh yeah I know what you mean. Yeah it was in the reminder a couple weeks ago. Yeah and if we did something like that then we can send out the news really or the article we clip and send it out to our mailing list. Yeah well and and back to the dialogue again because I do have vested interest in it of some kind. I, that was a very positive thing if there were a lot of people that a lot of different kinds of people involved in it, and it wasn't reported. Right. I mean, I was surprised. Okay, what I'm hearing is to achieve our vision that you're suggesting that we need to make sure we have better press relations so we can have better coverage of what we do. Yeah, I wish I knew somebody who, you know, has that beat for the bulletin in particular more than a bigger paper I mean I feel like the embers bulletin is the right place. The paper being what the Hampshire Gazette. Okay. I mean isn't the embers bulletin owned by the Hampshire Gazette and sort of a part of it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so the reminder is separate. Yeah, a reminder is like a ad. Yeah, but Steve for our publishes stuff about art sometimes. I mean he you know when I'm when I publish my book he did a write up on it. So, I mean you can get stuff in the Gazette. Oh, I think that's good but I just think that since it's the embers bulletin. It's nice that that's a focus, you know, I like both. Both are great. I think big. I think that's live to, you know. Yeah, well think big and accept small. That's good. I like to go back to the little spot by beyond the cow. Say, say the name of it again, realignment park. Why is it called realignment. That's such I don't know but maybe a change of name would help to alignment. Big. Right, it sounds like it should be acreage. Yeah, it's not really a park. Yeah, it's a little patch. Oh, I'd love to know the history of it. It's kind of cool sounding you know, I could picture little some kind of wonderful little miniature world going on in there. You know, yeah, I like that because the microcosm idea is kind of nice to think about miniature stuff you know. And I think what we need to do is figure out like five different things. And then implement them. Yeah, that's a good idea. Well and that's probably there's a slight problematic thing about a sculpture there is that there's the cow that's like it's so close it's good. So something that like wouldn't get overshadowed by the cow. I can picture sending out a note to like Amherst area emerging artists. We need a piece proposals for sculpture to fit within a 10 by 10 space that is near a statue of a cow. We don't want it to be overshadowed by the cow. So think bright garish colors. So real specific. It could also be, well maybe not I was going to think if you had a place where you had period, you know they used to have photographs shows that were in the town hall. And so every so often they would change to a different photographer, which I know about because I'm in two photo clubs and you know the clubs were all interested in that. So there was a way to do an outside exhibit where you could protect photographs from the weather. That's another thing for a 10 by 10 square you could have a small photographic exhibit there. That's probably pretty expensive huh to have to something that's weather proof for protecting photographs. I don't know it's almost thinking of a glass case was sealed against the weather with a glass door that opened on a hinge. I don't know if that's, you know, good way to, to show photographs but my ideas I get I you know if you want to be creative and get a bunch of ideas and then you start to value it. Absolutely, because if you evaluate your ideas while you get them you won't get them. I drove up to Middlebury Vermont this week to to for work and a little town called Brandon had every utility pole with a banner on it of a portrait of their high school graduating class. Oh, it was filed. It was like I kept thinking, I wonder how these kids feel about this. Probably love it. Maybe not all of them. And then I was thinking was this one photographer, or was this many photographers, or, and it was kind of a, I was, it was shocking. These high school students. Yeah. It was a high school graduating class. I coach high school students and, and, and I think they probably like that a lot. But I'm sure many of them do. Yeah. Yeah, anyway, I was that was a, I guess that would be called public art. That's public art. I mean, it can be marketed as such and I think it is. I mean, especially if the pictures are taken by non professional photographers. Well, and it's not that certainly not protected from the weather they're just banners on utility polls, you know, like flags. Yeah. I don't know what would happen to them. I think they're not meant to stay up forever because they hit you have a new graduating class every year. That's true. So, or even maybe not beyond the summer I don't know what I don't know anything about what I'm talking about except I drove through this town. Is this Brandon what New Hampshire. Did you say Brandon yeah, it's Vermont. Vermont so we can find out from Brandon Vermont. Well, I'm not proposing that we do that. No, I'm just trying to get a bunch of ideas without evaluating them. Yeah, I think public, one of the things about public art that I love is that it's, it sort of is supposed to be advertising itself by being in a place to be seen. Well, maybe outside of a museum outside, you know, it's not like so controlled. Well, yeah. I think for the first year maybe it needs a little help. Of course. After it gets, you know, after he gets a reputation like this is a spot to go to because it's cool has art there then it gets self. Yeah, sizing but at first it needs to. Yeah, I saw that a great piece of public art advertised in the someplace online. That's the canal district in holy in holy oak. There's a new giant mural of a moose. It's beautiful. And it's so wonderful. I'm a big fan of giant animals in urban scenes, because it's like they're taking over again, you know, I like them. So good giant moose would fit really nice in a 10 foot square area. No, no, I'm not. No, I'm not thinking about that right now. I remember there was an idea that Gabrielle Gould had when she first started being the at the BID, which I thought was a great idea but it wound up getting canceled. But we could resurrect the idea of a community based mural where you hire an artist to like map it out and plan it all out and then it turns into essentially a paint by numbers. And then the community people come in and everybody gets to you know every paint as much or as little as they want. And I participated in something kind of like that down in Springfield over the weekend and it was a lot of fun. It was well attended. And it was really cool. Yeah, see now that gets a whole bunch of people interested and then you grab their contact information when they show up, and you start building a mailing list. And that's my list of things to bring to the brainstorm I think. Yeah, I kind of like that one because of the number of people, you know, the more people you get involved in art the more political support you get. It's a great idea to have people enlisted in finishing the product, you know, that's good. I love it. That's really good. Let's start with a semi modest example of that and then get bigger. You know, yeah. Yeah, because in a way that's like one thing I think about the utility boxes being so good. There's the varieties really great. Yeah, it's kind of surprising. Some of them. You know, some of them are curious and I like that project I thought that I really like it a lot. You know, here's another idea I don't think that it's anywhere it says conspicuously that this was brought to you by the Amherst public art commission. Nope. Well, why don't we change that why don't we get plaques and put up beside these nice pieces of art this this this artwork was brought by artist X was brought to you by the Amherst public art commission just to start building political support. Yeah, definitely do that. Yeah, and I think like when we have events to we should have like those little lawn signs that say Amherst public art commission. And I also think we should get a logo, I think having a logo would help make our identity stronger. So that we're recognizable in town. There's nothing now, right. We talked about it in the past but it's kind of fizzled out. We had some ideas but they were all very weak they're all just kind of like ways of writing Amherst public art commission at different fonts really is what it was but we need something that's actually like a logo. You need it like for the public shade tree committee we've got this thing that's like an arc with like, like it kind of like a block print of tree branches. How many other entities that belong to the town have their own logos. And how can I go to the town website and probably see them all. I don't know that I haven't checked, you know, how many others do I just know because of the Amherst public shade tree committee because I'm on it and that we do have that identity. Public art commissions how about they, they have a logo. Yeah, so we've looked at other public art commissions there are some good ones out there. There are some weak ones too. We need an art commission should have a good art. Yeah, well let's get some samples at the next meeting go through them and let's do this one. Yeah, I think I think we need to rise this back up on to the, the table. Can you put this on the agenda for the, please put it on the agenda for the next meeting. See that's having a signature. Yeah, that's good. And then that goes along with what Jim was talking about about saying always acknowledging that the commission is responsible for this piece of art that you're seeing. Yeah, that's a good thing. They go together. Yeah, we need a logo. Yeah. Okay, then, then I can help you. I can help you trade market. There are plenty of designers in, in this whole area. Yep. But if we get it, we should definitely trade market. That will happen. Yeah, it's not that hard. No. So, do you want to consider putting a call out for area artists and designers to do a pose, you know, or how it worded so that it's not necessarily going to happen but that it might listen. So we have to decide on how much we're going to spend on that and that would be if we can't vote right today. Yeah, okay. How do we do, how do you decide that we'd have to have a vote we have to have a quorum. Is this part of the public art stuff that in a first step would be creating a public identity for the commission so that it can show like have a have a stronger presence in the community. I understand the question. What I'm saying is that before we put the call out we need to know how much we're going to pay for the logo so and we can't decide that until we have a vote on that because that's spending money that would be a serious thing that we really do need to vote on. My question was, is the meeting you're going to at the end of August. Okay. Is any of the money associated with that available for something like this or is this. I don't think so. I think I actually asked that and they said no, but I can ask again. And if I said no, why would be good to know just to know. Yeah, I think it's supposed to be like events specific or something like that but I'll ask again. It's like, I think I remember asking that question because it is like, like the logo idea was my idea a couple years ago, and it's been like something that I think that we've really really needed. Yeah. Okay, when we get samples of these logos from the other public art commissions. Can we find out how much they paid for it. Yeah, just get online and go to little towns that you are interested in and think might have art friendly things going on and start doing that research and you'll find something probably. Yeah, well we need to know how much they paid for it because that's how we know how much we should pay for it. Yeah, that's true. We all look into finding one town that's kind of comparable to Amherst and ask them how much they paid for their logo, how they did it. Okay. Do you want to suggest towns or you want us just to get a try to figure it out we can. Yeah I would say let's just try and figure out because I don't have any on my mind just now that would be comparable. Okay. Let's get in town get their logo and then try to find out how much they paid for it. Right. That's what the. I would say, once you like claim a town. Send an email out so we're not all like doing the same town. And you want them to be Massachusetts towns, maybe Western Massachusetts towns. I don't think it necessarily has to be. Okay, I don't think so. If they have a cool logo. And they're comparable town like not a big city a big city probably has like a big budget for this kind of thing. Yeah. Okay, we're going to have a completely different number. When you send the email identifying the town. Don't discuss what you're doing just send the email saying I pick X. Okay. Because otherwise you violated open mean law. And it's pain in the neck. Oh, the, the N E F A is the group that is sponsoring your meeting that you're going to at the end of the month. Is that right. New England Foundation for the arts. I, I can't remember actually, is that what I sent you. I don't think so. And I think that the, I mean, for us, the part that was interesting is that it says in its add to the public artist in Massachusetts, this means there may be nine calls for temporary public art in the respective communities listed above opening in the latter half of 2022. So Amherst is one of those towns. Right. Yeah. So, I'm, I'm, yeah, it is. Yeah. And so somebody is out there telling people to be looked on the lookout for something that might happen. So that's, I mean, that's exciting. Yeah. Where's the New England Foundation for the arts based Boston, Boston, because whenever people talk about it, they, they say Boston. Yeah, they actually just call it Boston, like, I mean, yeah, I guess it was Boston. All right. All right. And my third idea was sponsoring some, like, there's already salsa dancing in the area, but I was thinking of it would be cool to like, take that successful community and event, and like ground swell up to be even like more successful and successful and bigger. I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. There's a, there's a group. They go by salsa contacos, and they've been having some salsa dancing in Kendrick Park, and then they also have salsa dancing at Mexico Lido taco bar. And I'm thinking it would be cool to get that group and get a, like a live salsa band and have like a really, really cool like event celebration salsa in the park dance in the park sort of thing. Because Northampton has had ones like that, and they're very successful. They bring in a lot of people people travel from like an hour away to go to this thing. There's a built in, there's like a built in like user membership I guess you could say or something like the community enjoys this and they're willing to travel for it. And I like the idea of bringing people into Amherst because when they're, you know, when they come into Amherst they realize Amherst is fun they're going to like go out to eat they're going to do stuff they're going to hang out. Oh yeah. Yeah, we would like that. And again that's an opportunity to develop a mailing list. Yeah, true. And it's also a way there's not a whole lot of events in Amherst that celebrate Latino culture. Oh, yeah. I feel like that's a good way to be more inclusive for, I think 7.3 of the population is Hispanic. Yeah. Yeah, so okay so how does that fit into our goal of establishing a program that would promote the arts in the community. And specifically the public art commission's ability to promote the arts. We'd have our identity on that event. Okay, so you're saying it would get us publicity that would provide us some support in the future, probably. Yeah. Well, I think I think we have our logo there right. Well, I think if we do it we should actually concentrate then on making sure that people know that it was sponsored by us because right, because we are kind of like who. Yeah. Because I'm on the public art commission who is right. Yeah, that's why we really need a logo we can have our logo printed on some signs and maybe a banner to place at any, any sort of event that we put our stamp on. Yep. And we could like that will get you an article in Hampshire Gazette probably if you tell them in advance and write it for him. I don't know if they do that I know that when I was with Common Cause we wrote what you know you would write a press release and send it out. And if the newspaper person got it and was they might borrow liberally from the wording which was great and made their life easier so you're more likely to publish it. I don't know if that's the feeling around here or not but I know it happened some in some places. You know, I think press releases are supposed to insinuate what the organization wants to have said about them. Yeah, you write it as if it was a newspaper article so it can get borrowed from. Yeah. Now understand what you're going to do at that meeting Shoshana. Okay. And that's good. And that seems all good stuff. You know, the art trail thing, the frost walk the walk, the art walk trail thing is a great idea. Yeah, and takes a whole lot of planning and work. Yep. Definitely, you know, but maybe it could be done in pieces and then the pieces could be fit together. If ahead of time it was planned by us, really well, only one person would have to do part of it. And another person would do another part of it, you know, but we'd have it, you know, pieces. Yep, could fit together and then it wouldn't seem overwhelming. Yeah. Yeah, like if we had a full membership, you know, because this would be next year this would happen. You know, each member have being charged of hiring a different act to be in a different spot along the trail. That's right. You know, yeah, that each person would be doing separate things and that'd be great. And so long as the whole commission knows what's going on and can speak for the whole commission as being part of it. Yeah, well, we would have our meetings. Yeah. And probably make a pamphlet, you know, to go like a program kind of. Yeah. That would be great to have a logo to put on the front of the. Yes. Programs are really helpful when you're organizing something because it helps you see what you have to do. Sure. You know, so that's helpful. Anyway, well, this is all good. Thank you all so much. I'm going to have to go because I have another meeting. Okay. Is that okay? Is there something I'm going to. We don't have a quorum anyways. I was going to say your absence is not going to break the quorum. Well, I just said, I got, I got to go get ready for this other meeting. All right, well thank you. Thank you too. I'll look forward to our next meeting and see what happens at your meeting. Yeah, we'll have to schedule our next meeting. We'll do that over email. That sounds great. I'm going to say bye bye. Bye. Yeah, I guess the only other thing that I would really like to mention is the town hall gallery. I've taken down Bella Halstead stuff. And put up Rachel, but fluors stuff. Oh, is that on my. Yeah. Oh yeah. That's the list of names that I gave you. Got it. And I actually still have Bella Halstead's art because. When I took it down, it was understood. Like it was the plan earlier that I would just bring it to her apartment at the arbors. So I took it down, I brought it to the arbors and they said she doesn't live there anymore. And so then I called her and it went to her voicemail, but then her voicemail is full. And then. So I couldn't leave a message. So I just waited for her to call. She did eventually call me, but she called me on accident. And she was really, really busy. And I said, I've got your, I've got your stuff. I need to bring it to you. Call me back. And she has not called me back. So I still have her art. Okay, so what's her name again, please. Bella Halstead. Okay, I'll find it. Yeah. Maybe let me see if I can find her address. I'm not saying I can. Okay. But I might be able to. What is she a photo? I'm sorry. I didn't say the exhibit. Is she an artist photographer? What? Um, she's does oil paints. Oh, okay. Oh, cool. And pastels. She also does pastels. Okay. Okay. So I'm saying try to get. Find her address. You know, maybe at the DMV or something like that. She doesn't drive. Don't be there then. Well, have you tried just doing a Google search? I have Googled her for the correct spelling of her name. And it's articles about. Her art. For the past. I'll stand. So I'm getting a Sarah. Here's an article of biography of a. Bella Jane. Oh no. Okay. So that'll be easy. I'll keep working on it. I'm really wanting to get her. Right. Yeah, that's really weird. She doesn't seem to be really in the hurry to get it. Does she? Oh, so she was where. She was at the arbors. Maybe I'll give us a forwarding address. I don't know what to look for and see if they've got a current address. Okay. That would be good. Yeah, if they'll give it to us, it'll be easy. And she's, I guess that's it. Check one more time on our agenda. Social media. Yeah. I've been working on our social media. Putting mostly I've been putting like call for artists or grant opportunities. Okay. So do you have anything else? Nope. All right. I. Call to adjourn. Well, I would move. I would move to do it, but considering there's no corn. Why don't we just agree to buy unanimous consent? We're a journey. How's that? 1258. We're adjourned. By unanimous consent at 1258. Okay. And then we'll do emails to figure out the next meeting. All right. Or you can do doodle. Doodle. Okay. Yeah, you know, that's, it's, it's easy to use. And it works so much easier than 15 rounds of emails. All right. Let's, I'll do doodle. Okay. I've never made one. So here's my chance. Oh, oh, if you have any problem, give me a ring. It's easy. I just did one. Okay. I don't have to put the time in particularly. I mean, we know what the time is. So you just put it in all day. Just click the all day thing and tell us it's going to be at noon. Okay. So that saves a lot of work. Yes, it does. All right. Well, hopefully next time I see you that we'll have a whole bunch of faces in the thing and the whole bunch of squares from all the new members we're going to have. That would be great. That would be great. Yep. All right. Bye.