 Another day, another story of insecurity is bluggless, dumb as a rock, while Northern Leaders Forum throws its weight behind talks of impeachment against the President. And Ohanezin B. Will condemns shutecite policy in Southeast. Also, Pitalbi claims that there is a plot to blackmail him by a current state governor. This is Plus Politics and I am Mary Anacorn. The big question every Nigerian is asking right now is, where exactly is safe in Nigeria? Because a gang of robbers reportedly attacks the residences of the Chief of Staff to President Mohamed Bukhari, Professor Ibrahim Gambari, and an Admin officer, Abubakar Maikano, within the presidential villa, Aso Rock. Well, meanwhile, the Northern Leaders Forum have thrown their weight behind the calls for impeachment of President Mohamed Bukhari, warning Nigeria cannot survive two more years under his regime. Well, joining us to have this conversation is former National Deputy Publicity Secretary of the All Progressive Congress, APC, Mr Timmy Frank. Thank you very much for joining us. Thank you very much for having me. Great. I'm sure that you obviously are following the stories in Nigeria and all of the headlines, the crazy ones, the outrageous ones, and of course the realistic ones. And you obviously know that Nigeria is facing some form of insecurity. And it's not just now, as normal, you would hear insecurity, you would think about the Northeast, but now it's literally happening everywhere in the country. But let me start with the Aso Rock situation. They have been conflicting reports. Of course, when the story first broke, the two presidential aides on social media had conflicting reports. One said it was fake news. Another came to confirm that actually that story was true. When you hear that a house of an aide to the president or rather the chief of staff to Mr. President was attempted to be boggled, what kind of message is this sending to you as a Nigerian and for one who has been following all of the events that have been unfolding in the country? Yes. First of all, let me thank you for having me and I want to say good evening to Nigerians. It is very clear we did the conflicting reports that you just talked about right now. We did the presidential aid that should show you when a confused government, when you start seeing conflicting reports from a presidential villa, this is the first time we are seeing this kind of embarrassing situation that shows you they themselves, you know, they are confused. They are not united. They are not together. And that is why you can see under the watch of General Bukhari, Nigeria cannot be united because if it cannot unite its own house, unite its own staff, how can you unite Nigerians? So it is very clear that this is just, you know, a very clear embarrassing situation that in the history of Nigeria we have not seen where, you know, before today the presidential, you know, the presidential villa or maybe the Asur Rock, you know, have been boggled as they claimed. They said it was boggled and it is very clear that is to tell you clearly that this government is very incompetent. This government is not serious. So that could issues. But again, I want to tell you that what has happened, you know, for me in the other way around is bad. But in the circumstances we find ourselves today, I think this scenario has shown clearly that what they are suffering from today is the same situation of what they put in Nigeria. Because today I can tell you clearly there is poverty in the land, there is unemployment, there is kidnapping. There is hunger. The economy is zero. So that shows you very clearly that the people of Nigeria are tired and now they have decided to take the struggle, the struggle straight to the presidential villa. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry I apologize but I want to take you up on that. You're telling me that it's okay for a person to try to, I mean because it's a stupid attempt, if you ask me, to try to invade or bugle one of the most secure places in this country because you're hungry. Is that not a stupid thing to do? You can't tell me that that's because the person is hungry. That shows our security system has collapsed. So it's not my fault or it's not the fault of Nigerians that our security system has collapsed. Let me tell you this, at the same situation, the common Nigerian suffers every day in their houses. You see criminals breaking into their homes. You see such kind of things happening. You know so if today it happens, Gambari is not the first on the canoe. They are all Nigerians. They are not bigger than the common Nigerians. So in today, I didn't see any reason why they should be on issue. It is clearly shown that they are the ones in power. That shows if they were doing the right thing, if they provided jobs, if they have greater employment, if they, you know, you know, beefed our security, we will not see this kind of case. So this is failure on their own part. I'm not saying this scenario is good, but at the same time, I'm trying to let you know this is what they created. So it is good for them to also feel the impact. So at that point in time, I think they are going to do something to the security system. This is going to, you know, to make them to really work hard to let them know that it is very important to secure Nigerians. It is very important to secure the Nigerian citizens. So now that it's happening to them, maybe security issues will be taking serious. All of this while security issues have not been taking serious. So I think this is the reason why I said this is the same in the other way around, it's not so bad for them. It's not themable. But this same stuff of people should do everything to secure the country. I'm curious once again, permit me. I know the president is the commander-in-chief of the armed forces. He's supposed to be, I mean, he's number one. But then the people who are supposedly protecting that parameter are supposed to be the ones checked right now, not Mr. President, he's not carrying a gun and walking around the parameter fencing of the Aso Rock Villa. So I mean really, can we also say that, okay, it's because Mr. President is not doing his job as a Chief Security Officer, that's why Aso Rock Security men are not doing their jobs? Is that even an excuse in the first place? It should be not be putting these people on the chopping board right now, not the President. The President is the Chief Security Officer of the country and the Chief Security Officer of the Presidential Villa. Whether the President carried guns or he does not carry guns, the truth is if the President has appointed competent hands, we are not going to be seeing this kind of shameful embarrassment. That is just the truth. Why did this situation happen under a general passenger when he was there? Why did a scenario like this happen under the late Shio Musa Yeraduwa? Why did the same thing do not happen under the former President Guglok Jun Nata? So this is to clearly show Nigerians that General Buhari is a failed general. So when you have a failed general in power, this is the kind of situation you are going to find yourself. That shows he does not have any intelligence background and I want to use this opportunity to say that I do not think and I do not believe General Buhari truly is truly a general because from the man of which he has been a general. What does that even mean? He was a general. You saw him. He was a military head of state and you saw him. You saw him be a general. So when you say you are not sure if he was a general, he has, I mean we were all alive to see him be a general before he translated to being someone who was in plain clothes. We've seen other presidents that are general, under general IBB, we did not see situations like this. This is colleagues, under general Sonia Bata, we did not see this kind of scenario, under general Abu Salam Abu Bakar, we didn't see things like this. So why under general Buhari, security system, there's nothing to write about. So it is very clear that his own general needs to be questioned. And first of all, remember this is a man that till today, till today, we've not seen, you know, a circuit to show that this man truly was qualified to be a general. Even the Nigerian army came out to tell the whole world clearly that they cannot even find a circuit. So that is why I said general Buharis, you know, general needs to be questioned because if he's truly a general, even the military should have by now provided, you know, the circuit to show this man rise from, you know, from the grass to the top. But today we cannot, even Jonathan, that was not a military general, he has done better than security than Buhari. And then he said, you know, this was the same Buhari who were saying that, oh, when I come to power in six months, there will be no Boko Wara, when Jonathan was present of Nigeria. Remember, yes, there was insecurity, but the insecurity was trust only in the North East, trust like as he said, trust in the North East, but for today, tell me which part of Nigeria that he say, from the North East to his own village in Daoran, the president right now can tell he cannot even go to Daoran for 20 weeks. He cannot. The last time he was in Daoran, they went there to kidnap children and students when a city president was in the stone town. So that tells me this man has failed. And this man does not have the capacity and will. And let me tell you clearly, it is because the man is not in charge. He's not in charge. If General Buhari was in charge, he was, if General Buhari was truly the president of Nigeria, Nigeria will not remain like this. Well, he is the president of Nigeria. He was sworn in. We also, when he was sworn in, he's truly the president of Nigeria. He was voted into power. And he is truly the president of Nigeria if we're going by semantics. But let's move on to other issues. Anyway, let me correct you on that part. Let me correct you please on that part. General Buhari was not voted by Nigeria's. General Buhari is still the vote of Nigerian people. Nigeria's never voted. Well, either way, Inaq returned him. There was a conspiracy by the military. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. This is plugging a dead horse. Inaq returned Mr. President as, you know, the president of this country. So whether we want to debate that back and forth. Inaq is a corporate. But he is the president. He is the president. He's sitting. He is the president. And when this issue was, when this issue was up for debate. I'm not saying he's not the president. I'm trying to let you know this must tell the mandate of Nigerian people. That is why it does not have the experience and capacity and idea to lead the country called Nigeria's at today. He has been overwhelmed by all activities of the country. So clearly Nigeria's never voted Buhari. He's still the mandate of Nigerian people. And that is why today until General Buhari comes to apologize to Nigeria's. The same way Yeradwar did, you remember when Yeradwar came to power in 2011? After the election, Yeradwar told Nigeria's that that's why these circumstances have brought me to power. Apologize and I believe future elections will be great. Which means Yeradwar let Yeradwar that it's also from Kathina like Yeradwar Buhari confirmed that the election that brought him in 2011 was rigged. So therefore he assured Nigeria's of electoral reform. He assured Nigeria's that the elections after him would be better. This is what we expect Buhari to do until he start confessing his sins. To say look, I told the mandate of Nigerian people that Nigeria should forgive me for stealing from them. I beg you until he made that confession, maybe some of the troubles we are passing through today were not going to come out of it because it is very clear that that is the only way God can forgive us. So not just Yeradwar Buhari, including the INF chairman, Professor Mamuji Akubu, needs to come out to declare Buhari to win the 2019 election when we all knew very well that Yeradwar Buhari did not win that election. Alright, let's move away from this because we're not discussing elections today. In the current Yeradwar Bractite, we're using military to rig the election for Buhari. We will come back another day and talk about rigging of elections but let's talk about the insecurity that Nigeria is facing right now. That's the core of our conversation. The chief of staff to the president had come out in a statement to say that there was nothing to worry about after the incident because they said it was an attempted incident and it was failed. It was a failed attempt. It was unsuccessful. But then again, we all are made to know by reports that both the chief of staff and the admin officer have, as a result of this failed attempt, been prompted to leave their homes. So they're not in their homes right now, of course, because if something of this nature happens, it means that you have to check what's happening within the country. But let's move away from that as they're still trying to figure out what happened in Aso Rock, the south-west governors, I beg your pardon, have been having a meeting and today is the last day of that meeting. I'd like to give you some information as to what they spoke about. They spoke about restructuring. They talked about national dialogue. They refused open grazing and said it would never happen. Would you like to comment on some of these things, the issues that were raised? Yes. For the first time, let me thank the governors of the southern governors that this is the first time we've seen them desperate party lines to come together to discuss the issues bordering the country. I commend them for good job, but I want to make it very clear that I have seen their communique and I totally agree with them with their position, but we think as Nigerians that they should go beyond this communique. We don't want this to be lip service. We do not want this scenario to be where you just come and talk and there is no action. We want to see action. We want to see them coming up and take strong decision. And again, we expected them to come up with a plan to say, look, General Buari, you failed as the president of Nigeria to protect the citizens of this country. We expected them to take this kind of the same position. We saw the northern forum where they came up to tell us clearly that General Buari should either resign or be impeached by the National Assembly. So if his own king's men are calling the National Assembly to impeach him or General Buari should resign, I expected the southern governors should have us to as well today make a pronouncement by telling General Buari that you failed us. You can no longer lead. So therefore you should resign. We expected them to say you are not going to resign. But most of these men that you're making reference to are members of the same political party. I'm sorry to speak over you. Most of this men you're making reference to are members of the same political party with the president. I mean, there's no precedence. There's never really been a precedence where members of the same political party are able to point fingers at the president so loudly and so boldly. So I'm trying to understand why you expect that to happen. Is it going to be a magic or what exactly are you expecting? The same political party we're talking about. The southern governor's home is now made up of a PC members. We have 50 members, we have a PC members. So the truth is what is happening today in Nigeria is beyond empty seat of PDP. You must get it right. The people dying are the members of PDP alone dying. The people dying are just Christians alone. The people dying are just Muslims in their midst. So what are we talking about? The people dying are just APC members. Nigerians are dying. So this is beyond, you know, issues of PDP or APC. The truth is the president has lost control of the country. And today there is no leadership in Nigeria. First of all, a president that has surrendered is the sovereignty, whether we like it or not. To say, look, from the example, the president demonstrated he sent me after his phone call to the Secretary of State when he was begging, begging for the America to relocate the American base to Nigeria. That tells you clearly that you have seen that I cannot no longer do this job. My military Nigeria is no longer competent. Therefore, I need help from the United States of America. Please bring down your military to secure my country. That shows the president has failed. And I think this are some of the things that prompted his own king's men to call on him, you know, to resign, or let the National Assembly do their job. So if his own king's men can take this kind of situation, why will the Europe provide government no standard for the truth? Why would an individual government no standard for the truth? Why would an people government no standard for the truth? They are not representing their parties. You know, they are representing the people who elected them. The people who elected them have decided to say it's our time for the National Assembly to do the needsful. It's our time to respond. All right. Let me give you a response coming from the presidency today. The Minister of Interior, I think so, sorry, the Minister of State for Defense had said something today. I think he talked about the fact that most of us have been saying that there's this belief that the government is being overwhelmed by the insecurity in the country. But they're saying, and I like to quote him directly, that the government and its security agencies have the wherewithal in terms of personnel and firepower to crush insurgents, bandits, criminals, and other enemies of the Nigerian state. So what you're saying that the presidency is overwhelmed, the president cannot, he has failed our army, he's incapable, this statement from the presidency negates all that you're saying. They're saying that whatever you are saying is propaganda. You're trying to start a fire where there is none. My sister, let me tell you clearly. Your statements and the president has conflicted themselves. I'm not the one that demand for the Americans to relocate their military base to Nigeria. It was the same president, Buhari, who requested and appealed. He was even begging. So if the Nigerian military or the Nigerian security agencies had the will and capacity to defeat the bandits, to defeat Boko Haram, to defeat all kinds of criminal activities in the country, why would you have Buhari be beg for the US support? So that shows you they are confused. I'm not surprised. The president to give one directive, his ministers to give another directive, the governments of their Buhari, they are not united, they are confused and that is why you can see everything that is happening today is also part of the corruption in his government. This government is the worst government ever in the history of Nigeria. Today, every government official has taken advantage because to them, the presidency has no capacity to investigate them. So everybody has decided to loot whatever that comes their way. And that is why you can see it is very clear. All these are in go to the military. Tell me one sector of Buhari's government that is not corrupt. From military, it's very corrupt. You go to the cabinet members, they're all very corrupt. So tell me which sector. Can you give us proof? Can you give us proof on live TV because you're making these allegations of live TV and I'm having to plead the devil's advocate because the president is not here. Neither is Mr. Lai Muhammad or all the people who speak for the president. But you're saying that they have been looting. People in the president's cabinet have been looting their different ministries, departments and agencies. What's your proof, sir? I can give you an example. Let me tell you clearly. Listen, remember what I want to remind you. I'm not making propaganda. I'm telling you, you're in Nigeria, you're reading every day, you're reading news. These things are very clear. Look at what is happening all over the country. You saw what happened in NPA recently. The same government is accusing the former MTA of NPA of $460 billion. This is an evidence. We are reaching a recent time. How? You know, the Minister for Petroleum, to me, he was accused of different corruption. We've seen in recent time how the former government of river states that is the Minister of Transport wrote in a typical message has also been accused of corruption. These are cabinet members. First of all, remember some of these persons that Buhari made minister in his cabinet today. Some of them remember the majority of them have ESCC case before they became minister. Okay. I can give you an example. Like my own government. Well, out of time. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. Even a minister in Kuhari's government that was prosecuting him. So what are we talking about? Great. Unfortunately, we have to wrap up. But I want to ask one last question. Recently, the presidency has come up to say that there are people who are trying to topple its government and some of them are within and some of them are without. And we know that you're not in Nigeria and you are a serious critic of Mr. President. And one would wonder if you fall in that category of people who are trying to overthrow Mr. President with your criticism. And I'd like to ask what party do you belong to, Mr. Timmy Frank? You used to be in the APC. Where are you aligned right now? Let me tell you before we leave. First of all, you know I'm not in a Kuhari's criticism. I'm just a reality. Remember one of the founding members of this party called APC before I resigned my position in 2017. So what party do you belong to? I can give you the history of APC. I know. What political party do you belong to, Mr. Timmy Frank? So I'm not a critic, but I'm just a realist. It is because I decided not to take part of this Catholic rule. Can you answer my question please? Let me say, I don't like to pass it in 2017, so I'm going. I know. So what political party are you aligned with? Do you have any intentions in the future to run for any office in Nigeria? I'm an activist right now. So you do not belong to any political party right now? Oh, yeah. I'm just a political activist. I'm just fighting for a better democracy in Nigeria. I'm fighting for a better future for the Nigerian people. I'm fighting to make sure I want to see a government that will form and keep corruption, not to promote or celebrate corruption. But today under the Kuhari's government, under the APC government, what they're used to do is to promote those that have polluted our resources. They celebrate criminals. And that is why nothing is working in Nigeria as a country. So but let me tell you, we are not just going to fold our hands to do, you know, to watch some of these people. Let me tell you what some of us were working on rights now before we go. First of all, we directed to make sure the members of the opposition party, the two minority leaders in the both houses, we directed them, we sent message to them to start commencement of impeachment of Tintinara Kuhari. Okay. But we must not wait. This is the time for them to rise up, to stand by the side of the Nigerian people who have asked them to come up with motions. Okay. To come up with an effective motions to everybody that has been accused. Remember today- We have to go, Mr. Frank. Mr. Kuhari government. We have to go. I apologize, but we have to go. Timmy Frank, thank you so much for being part of this conversation. Well- Nothing is happening. So we are not just going to sit down. We, Nigeria's industrial rights now, we are taking some strong measures to list out those corrupt people in this government. Okay. And I can assure you very soon, very soon you'll see a minister under Kuhari's government who goes to America, who goes to Lundan and they'll now come back to Nigeria. We need to go. We need to go. Thank you very much. Well, thank you all for staying with us. We'll take a short break down and when we return, Ohaniz indeed will warns the Nigerian government to learn from history by not fighting an unwinnable war. Stay with us.