 Moana Lady That's the only sticks away. What's the other stick? No, mr. Robata. Okay, you just ignored Moana. I Love that. He went straight from like he did. He went straight from music videos to bad boys the rock Because bad boys was just a two-hour rock video bad boys to the island Wait, is that the one with? What's the name? Ewan McGregor Ewan McGregor Ewan. I actually that's another good one Yeah, at some point he just that whole Transformers thing it just kind of he gave him lots of money and said whatever I'll do it What's sad is have but has both China China is trying to Make another universe out of the rest of the toy disparate toy prop is if Huh, why is that sad? Because they're like the first Marvel I'm not Marvel the first hasbro Like think of all that has all the toy properties that became movies Like actual like battleship, huh? I liked battleship. That was that was a just an awesomely bad movie And I've watched it three times Oh Joe and they did that one twice and it still sucked It's sad that they're trying to make something because other things have been bad in the past Well, it's just they they want they want to make a movie that sells no one should ever try You're right Tom no one should ever try We're clear on that that is my advice to you kids Disappointment oh Roger in your bed Just weep it under your covers mr. Births school work deaf himself Roger Chang ladies don't even weep Get drunk go to sleep It's an old song and yet still relevant today You know what else is relevant doing this show I'm going to ask you Sarah Lane to do something for me today, and I bet you can guess what it is Don't have the slightest incline. Oh, would you read mine? Happy to make it a get all the get it out of your system All right, I am going to Just count you in in like 20 seconds. How's that? Sounds good Sounds good TGIF man. Yeah, and women all of y'all Five or three two one Thanks everybody who supports independent tech news directly if you're not already become a DTNS member at patreon.com DTNS This is the Daily Tech news for Friday, November 30th 2018 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane and from a bright and sunny LA County West side east side east side a trying to shank ship And also joining us today very happy to have Patrick Gordon back on the show from a vehicle comment tech thing commas well as other things Patrick, how's it going? I'm good. I was already to leap in there unlike the opening for the patrons earlier when I was terribly confused Hi We're going to talk to us about cool audio things people might want to get either for themselves or others this holiday season Absence Merfley. All right. Well, let's we'll get to that in a few. Let's start with a few tech things We should know Pro Boxer Floyd Mayweather and music producer DJ Khaled have settled with the SEC for what the commission determined was promoting initial coin offerings Or ICOs without disclosing that they were getting paid promotional fees to do so Both settled the charges without admitting or denying the findings Mayweather will pay $300,000 in disengagement at three hundred thousand dollar penalty and 14,775 dollars in interest Khaled will pay a fraction of that But same idea Mayweather agreed not to promote securities for three years and Khaled agreed to a two-year ban My holiday gift to Sarah to let her have that Thanks, Tom Means a lot crazy store Apple has approved India telecom regulator trade do not disturb app And it is available in the app store the app helps combat unwanted calls and messages using a do not disturb registry Which users can report unwanted numbers to Apple previously resisted approving the app over privacy concerns related to sharing contacts with the government Apparently they figured that out. They were working with TRI about that. So The iPhones won't be banned. Trey said that the iPhones would be banned for sale in India if the app was not approved by January So it's all good. I'm gonna stick around in India and you get your do not disturb app and everybody's happy Let's talk a little more about The the peace in our time between Amazon and Apple here Yeah, some good news if you if you use both of the services regularly Amazon announced that its echo speakers We'll start supporting Apple music on December 17th through an Apple music skill Users can enable and link to their Apple music account that way Amazon says that users will be able to play songs Or by artists or by album and Apple's curated playlists radio stations the Apple music integration is for echo speakers though So if you're like me and you have a third party smart speaker that taps into Amazon's assistant, for example, a sonos one It's not happening on December 17th that much. We know just for echoes. Yeah, it's not all of Amazon voice services It's a skill in the in in the database But I guess it only works on echoes so that must be a deal with Apple the other thing I noted in Amazon's press release about this and you mentioned it Apple's curated playlists and radio stations not your Playlists, I don't know if that's an overwrite in the press release or if it means that if you create a playlist You can't access it through the voice Yeah It would be strange to me if you wouldn't have that functionality. I love I'm an Apple music user and There are a few curated playlists that the the company does that I really love so You know, it's nice to have that as well But if you put together your own playlist and you have access to all of your music and you can search by album or by artist I'd be surprised if you wouldn't be able to access playlists as well, but who knows I Also, I'm curious if this is a skill they're describing it as a skill Does that mean it's not integrated the way Spotify is if I tell my echo right now to play something It will play it from my Spotify list It'll actually play for my leans because that's the one I hooked up to my account But if if the Apple's a skill I might have to say tell Apple music to play Which I'd actually like to have the opportunity to say make this one my default if I don't say anything else But give me the option to say actually I want this from Apple music play it over there Especially if you use several music services a lot of people just have one but you know I have a Pandora account as well and that's something that an echo also supports you mentioned Spotify So yeah, if you're if you're wanting to be very specific about this is where I want this this music or or whatever Audio played from then it might actually be a benefit I mean what I actually want is Google music to be integrated here, but hell will freeze over before that happens Maybe not but it will certainly come soon after I mean this also Amazon selling more Apple products on Amazon like they've had it iPad pros most of the iPhones the new Apple watches I just thought it was interesting for them It's I mean it's it's not quite peace in our time But it's certainly a lot more peaceful between Apple and Amazon than it has been for a long time I'm trying to decide if that's because they're working together to beat on Google question mark Those motivations are never as simple as that, but I'm sure they don't mind Never as simple as that Starwood hotels confirmed to US regulators that someone gained unauthorized access to data from 500 million of its customers The breach was detected on or before on or before September 10th in the filing But had been going on they think as early as 2014 so they didn't notice it But it was detected on September 10th of this year Marriott discovered someone had copied and encrypted data in an effort to remove it They were the sort of like copy encrypt so you can't tell what I got and then I'll move it off the server The company decrypted that data on November 19th and determined. Yes, it did come from the reservations database It's not the entire database, but it is a large chunk of it 500 million 327 million of the records they found there included names addresses phone numbers data birth gender email addresses passport number Starwards rewards information arrival and departure information reservation dates of communication preferences. This is oh, so nothing nothing of interest well our fishing scammers goldmine right and an unknown number of the records included encrypted credit card information now It's encrypted, but the disturbing part is that Starwood can't rule out that the decryption key was also obtained Usually they say it's encrypted so it'll take them forever to break it this time Starwood's like we don't know They might have gotten the encryption key and can decrypt your credit card information Of course Starwood and Marriott if you're like wait Starwood or Marriott, they're merged Marriott acquired them last year So this is one company but two databases Marriott's reservation database does not seem to have been affected by this That is all the commentary you need on this right well, okay Yes, it's it's there's more there's more to it than just a heavy sigh But it's yeah, I'd say another day another breach, right? But Starwood is like the biggest hotel chain in the world with with with with many hotels that are part of it even if Marriott is not This is a huge huge breach. I know a lot of folks who actually are starwood points members and You know, it's it's I actually talked to a friend of mine This morning who some of you may know and he was like, I mean how you know, how freaked out should I be and I was like It's very hard to say It's it's you know, you know, your information might be have been accessed You know including your passport number and just you know really personal stuff where when you checked into a hotel And when you checked out and what you ordered and all that stuff I would live my life these days as if all of this information was always possible to have been stolen, right? And for new breaches that don't freak me out They make me confirm my carefulness About like hey anybody at any point could have this information passport information is a new one, but Yeah, I mean, I don't know how useful the passport information is in in in a lot of cases um, you know, I mean if this is I look at this and after I replaced, you know, I replaced my ATM card three times and I think it was 15 months Because target got hit home depot got hit It keeps sending me new numbers regularly. Just yeah Yeah, you know and and if you if you if you start paying attention when you're going around Very few small shops actually have uh chip readers, right? So at this point, you know, the small shops that want to upgrade to the chip readers It's still in a lot of places and I just feel like You know, we're 10 years behind Europe on security Securities slowly becoming better in credit card systems and all these huge companies are still getting their asses handed to them by hackers And I don't see that changing any time. So I've noticed a lot of the small companies a lot of the small businesses have Tap to pay though, even if they haven't upgraded to a chip reader. They can take energy Which may be a better A better way to go anyway Just leapfrog past that chip reader. Anyway Instagram announced a new stories feature for android and ios called close friends to share stories with just a Select group of people rather than all of your followers So close friends is a private list. So another user who's not on that list Can't find it or see who's on it and get all weird about it Now if you're on someone's close friends list, you will know you'll see a green badge when you view certain stories And you'll say, okay, this is a private list rather than the story that everybody has seen There's also a green ring around the user's profile in the stories tray. So the company's At least attempting to make it pretty obvious. Um, why this is happening It's funny a lot of um, a lot of publications who who wrote this up this morning said, oh, so this is like, you know, it's it's All the kids have finstas, right, which is like short for fake instagrams because they want to have Uh an area of instagram that's actually more private than their public instagram So they can be some other version of themselves with it with a smaller group of people I can't imagine that instagram is trying to get away with that because that would just mean it seems like There's more users using the network, but I can see why when this would be Uh useful, you know, I mean you had a new baby or it's you know, you got your your your family on a list or or You know, your your your bffs that you're on a group text with anyway Um, I don't use instagram stories with any regularity. I don't know if anyone else here does But it's it's certainly a nice feature I I can imagine that some some folks if they want to get uh granular with who they share things with I will appreciate it Yeah, and it's simple, uh, it's it's it's one list close friends You decide who to put on that list you can put them on take them off They don't know and you don't have to sit there and think now which list did I create for which purpose? You've just got one list That's like here's my friends and family. This is where I put the baby pictures This is where I put all the wedding plans though, so I don't annoy everybody else Uh, yeah, I think it makes perfect sense and honestly, I don't think instagram cares if people get rid of finstas Companies have moved past just needing large numbers of users to to needing valid users So this is this is part of the new movement to focus on quality interactions over just numbers Intel announced it will start distributing universal windows drivers starting with a new set of graphics drivers Microsoft requires this for windows 10 october update and windows server 2019 Universal windows drivers will let developers create one package that can run on multiple devices From embedded systems through laptops tablets desktop PCs, etc Previous intel drivers are now considered legacy You can downgrade to them but intel says you shouldn't and all future updates will be universal windows drivers going forward Patrick is uh, is this a good thing or something rife with problems and you should stay on the legacy drivers for a while Do you think? Yes Uh, I I I will tell you what uh watch tech thing next week because I'm in the process of trying to get The new windows modern drivers onto one of my laptops just to see what happens So you might remember some security issues with intel that happened and continued to on go and there were some patches for that And the patches maybe were a train wreck Um, maybe not a train wreck but but not everything everyone had hoped and then all these vendors stopped offering the patches I'm going to say let somebody else You know, I will be the penguin to leap first But don't come back. Yeah, assume there are polar bears and wait a while Um, you know, I I think anytime Anytime something this important, you know, because everybody with a laptop is that is not an AMD laptop is 98% of you are running intel on board graphics on your laptops So I'm really curious to see what they've done and I'm really curious because I have not been able to find somebody Talk about why they did this moving forward because when they do this because They want to fix things that exist and they want to be able to sort of move the platform forward So I'm still digging into this. I will have more next week. Uh, but right now I'm saying wait patiently Let someone else, you know You know Make their monitor disappear before you do Just hear that girl, right? Unless you're the one who loves to just get out there and try the stuff then go for it But yeah, if you're if you're worried at all then Uh, I I think this does have the potential to be really good Uh, because it will simplify things and simplifying anything even a small amount of things in the driver's arena Uh, is worth the effort if The other thing is kind of like android getting security updates. Ha ha So many laptop vendors, especially as you get into to smaller laptop vendors. They don't really do a good job You know Intel will force you to go to your laptop vendor to get an upgrade for your graphics and those often never happen Uh, and I would like to anything that streamlines the process of getting drivers directly to the end users I uh, especially, you know, not that I think there's a lot of security updates involved with this anything It gets for you know updates to end users faster. I think is a positive thing for the most part Netgear security camera arlo Security camera company rather arlo announced its first 4k wireless security camera the arlo ultra With hdr recording and a built-in spotlight for color nighttime imaging You'll have to have a subscription if you want to store security clips at the maximum resolution in the cloud But there is a micro sd card slot available for local recording The arlo ultra cost 399 dollars 99 cents and ships in the first quarter of 2019 And it also comes with a free one-year subscription to arlo smart premiere This the the three stages of reaction I had to this story were whoo 4k camera then wait Why do I care about a 4k camera and security? Then oh because of detail This is actually one of the situations where 4k makes sense It might even make more sense than having it on your television where without hdr You may not even notice that something's in 4k Sure. Yeah, it's like the fine print on someone's t-shirt as they rob you for example Or okay, but what about the license plate number on a car? No. Yeah, I'm not kidding I I actually think more detail is better when you're talking about security cameras. Totally. Yeah, I'm with you Because so many security cameras give you this wonder is blur. It was definitely a human I can't quite tell. Yeah This is better and and the spotlight, uh, which I guess they sold separately before Yeah, yeah last year's model had it Selling separately and then that would that gives you the the color nighttime imaging Which again if you've ever used these at night infrared is great because you can actually see in the dark But you can't see well So uh, and and this is mostly meant for outdoor arlo ultra is an outdoor Capable camera you can use it indoor if you want. I think they have a solar charger for it Mm-hmm man solar You know solar solar power for your house. What is one thing solar for lawn and outdoor security stuff pretty great Yeah, like Christmas lights and halfway lights says the new homeowner Uh, it's kind of amazing what you can do without having to install a bunch of complicated electricity now Which do we think $400 is uh, I mean it's it's not cheap I mean if you need the best security camera, this is certainly ranking up there, but um, it's it's not cheap I think if you have an issue that's probably worth it I don't know if you're like, I live on a pretty safe and quiet street. Maybe you don't need this Well, I live until you do Yeah peace of mind No, it's been interesting because uh We've had somebody uh using the water in front of our house And I don't particularly mind say the homeless guys that live down by the old railroad bridge using our water You mean like like the like the hose or yeah the hose bib And I'm probably I'm probably gonna have to put a you know security hose bib on there simply because they left it on one night Yeah, you know and they left the hose cracked and you know I'm not entirely sure how much water ran out of it But a lot more than I wanted next to the foundation of my house and it's been interesting There's a lot of uh crime of opportunity stuff that goes on in our incredibly chill suburban Enclave and they've they've stolen You know stuff out of our neighbor's driveway. They've come after stuff in our driveway. They took uh, you know, I left out a a a device you used to uh change brake fluid You know and they liberated that one night and just like oh a that was my fault for leaving it out b Oh, it's good to know that people are looking for opportunities to steal and see let's you know Do what I can to make my house less attractive as a place to rob So that and and that's something to consider with cameras because that's not a dangerous area And cameras may give people the idea that something really valuables around I mean you get I mean also I had a neighbor uh in a previous location that was freaked out at any particular sound Which would be problematic when you get into someplace, uh Well, we're relatively urban in north jersey where we were living and for them like, you know, they died several years ago But um, you know to for them to have had the ability to look at a camera in the backyard and see it's that delete expletive raccoon again And and not invading, you know They were convinced that somebody was going to sneak in the back door and murder them at night and statistically that's highly improbable But you'd get a phone call and like, you know, you go out with the flashlight and the raccoon would be like, you know Then it would run off I mean no mess with the raccoons, but they're probably not going to come in your house I mean where I live we've got a gate and there's a code and you know, everything is sort of behind the gate Well, the other night it was raining and it was acting weird and I was in a hurry and I hopped that gate You know, I can do it. I was as soon as I did that. I was like, ah, thank god. Thank god I'm inside but hold on a second my landlord should know how easy that was like I'm like a tiny person That was easy Well, but the the thing is I mean one of the greatest conversations I ever listened to at def con was a physical security expert talking to Someone that was convinced that locks were the answer to make everything in their life safe So they would never have to worry again Like you could tell that there was some deep problematic issue that wasn't gonna get but but the the the lock guy I was like, yeah, you know, you're delaying people at best Yeah, that's right. You're keeping honest people honest But somebody, you know, but you look at statistics most houses get broken into during the day Well, people are at work. They kick in the back door and they're out in in minutes with a backpack full of small, fensible items Well, if you like small items not necessarily small, fensible items But like short items things that are about five minutes and keep you up to date on tech news Definitely check out our sister show daily tech headlines.com All right, we had that Robert Herron on recently talking about TVs as we head into the holiday season So we asked Patrick to come on and talk about audio stuff What are some of the things that either you love or you think other people would love? Everything buy everything. There is no bad audio. Um, actually there is but that's another conversation Uh, you know, one of my favorite things is keep people to premium Spotify account or title hi-fi I you know audio file nerds are in love with title hi-fi But quite frankly, I think Spotify is a vastly better interface and a and a somewhat less irritating interface Um, you know And but give them an opportunity to hear as much of the music as possible Most of my audio collection has been ripped to flak files and I can play them on portable audio players or on my phone Um, but if you want to hear the best possible audio get the best possible source And that would be I'd say either like a premium Spotify account a title account or ripping your own flaks Um, there's some more obscure options out there. I don't think anybody needs like high res audio Can you buy a year in advance? That's always my thing with buying people subscription stuff is in a lot of cases I want to say with Spotify. They tell you to get a gift card. Um, you know, there's uh, I I'm I have not looked into title The other thing is if you have kids or if you have family members, you can get a Spotify family account It's a nice way to do it because you can get yeah multiple users simultaneously for Yeah, yeah Play this music on uh, you know, my favorite thing is if I get a lot of questions from people that are a lot I want to upgrade my audio boy the forums because people in audio forums are insane Um, and I love the audio forums, but they're insane And when you look at audio gear advertising and catalogs and stuff a lot of it is bias conception You know if you buy these headphones you're going to get more dates and life's going to be better because people will trust you and this is a lie Or a very rare sort of you know end user case, but like a set of sony mdr 7506's they sell for 75 bucks That is a fantastic headphone like that in a Spotify account He's going to be revelation for most people because those are those are a nice set of headphones. They're impossible to kill They sound excellent. Uh, you know aesthetically they may make you want to weep. That's a conversation I will I will you know These will not die, but I've seen these in audio recording studios I've seen them used by professional video editors people that can afford to spend a lot more on headphones A lot of them use these because they're good and they're simple and they last forever and uh, you know starting with you know You know like a Spotify account a set of these and if you have questions about the quality of the audio That's in or the audio sort of in your laptop or your phone something like an audio quest dragonfly Which the basic black version sells for a hundred bucks You know those three things put together, you know good quality audio A son of sale, you know set of 7506's and a dragonfly That's going to give you a pretty amazing introduction to how good your music can sound without spending a huge amount of money So, you know when I do all my podcast Editing I use exactly these these All the hosts like put these on you'll love it But it's true. They're they're the nicest headphones. I've I've I've used thus far and they're not expensive and I mean they're not $10, but they're they're they are well within the reach of people who really care about listening to good audio I will last forever big last forever I have a pair that I got from 2009 that I still use I replace the airpads because the one thing I don't like about them is the the airpads eventually disintegrate, but you can get pretty Effective replacements for like 12 bucks. Yeah, and I will say I I've used a lot of headphones Eventually the ear pads on everything will disintegrate and that's something I worry about with certain headphones where they have really crazy You know where there's plastic injection molded snappy things on the back of them I have deep concerns about whether or not I will be able to replace those When they eventually wear out look I believe Tom has a set You know the the headphones are we're now but they sound great Uh, and if you put a little tape on the top that says do not take then people don't take them Yeah, I have a set of v6's which are kind of a cousin to those headphones Which I think at this point are 23 years old They're on their second set of headphones and I had to rewire them once because a friend of mine was gaming with them and did something He flung them so hard. He managed to tear one of the cables out But other than that man, they're bulletproof and if 75 bucks is too much There's a crazy set of headphones from monoprice called the 83 23 As near as anybody can tell these are originally engineered by kicker the kicker stops selling them monoprice started selling them from the factory in china We think that originally made them these things sell for like $22 from monoprice or look at that $17 and 24 cents on amazon.com They are disturbingly good for $17 because most most cheap earbuds and cheap Headphones sound awful and those sound really really good for the money And if you've got a teenager who destroys stuff just get him a set of those or better yet make them buy a set of those um We're talking more about headphones. You guys want to hear about speakers or give it we we're gonna have to move along So give us give us one thing about speakers before we hit we head out. Uh, okay elax debut 2.0 or the unify ub 5 Those are really fantastic speakers Both of those the the bookshelf speakers those are selling for about 300 to 350 bucks right now The unify ub 5 is like my personal favorite speaker If i'm not gonna you don't have the money for like a thousand or $1,500 for a set of keff ls 50s Which are also on sale for like a thousand The unify ub 5 is amazing. Uh, if you're looking for a really nice set of speakers for a full surround sound system I'm really impressed with the elac debut 2.0 and they engineered those with the Base port on the front uh, and specifically so you could shove them really close against a wall without them sounding weird And I was shocked at how good they sound like that if you pull them away from the wall They get even better sounding and that's a really fantastic speaker for the money Excellent, uh, we've got more links, uh from from patrick's picks that we'll have in the show notes at daily tech news show dot com Uh, and of course, uh, check out avxl dot com or tech thing dot com for more patrick's recommendations on all kinds of stuff Hey, thanks everybody who participates in our sub reddit every day You're the best you can submit stories and you can vote on other stories at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com You know who else is the best everyone on our facebook group facebook dot com slash groups slash daily tech news show Let's check out the mailbag. Yeah, steven schleicher from major spoilers weighed in on a recent discussion that we had about the need Or do we need wi-fi hotspots steven says in haze kansas most businesses like bars and restaurants and museums and parks and all that stuff Have free wi-fi hotspots provided by one of the two isps in town It's a town of 20 000 plus We have two local isps that compete very heavily with one another next techs is one of next tech is one of them They are their division of rural telephone current listing of free wi-fi hotspots can be found here steven links us to the link which we'll have on our show notes as well steven says i haven't tested the current speeds lately But i have been able to do more than just send and receive emails My two boys have been able to stream youtube and netflix on their iPads from restaurants while waiting for food to arrive Can imagine how nice that must be Eagle communications is the other isp in our town. This is supposed to be a short email But let's just say a book could be written about these two companies And how they've tried to compete with each other over the years bottom line Free hotspots do exist and are used heavily by our community even though lte services are available Western kansas may be the exception to other communities rather than the norm though I love getting those feet on the ground reports like that uh from steven and i love this this sort of example of even in a town of 20 000 Uh if you have a little competition if you got a couple isps Suddenly all kinds of crazy things happen like free wi-fi everywhere You know a park near me just put up a bunch of signs saying free wi-fi Sponsored by toyota. Oh I was like, oh, okay. Well, they do those toyota does those ads where they're like trying to do nice things for people Maybe it's part of that right. Yeah, you know, I don't really need it But i'm like i think probably some people would appreciate it. 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I'm like, you know, everybody's a little tinny You know, it looks looks cleaner on on Yeah, yeah And it also to me it's like oh the the people who are listening on lower quality gear This is what this is this is what they'll hear. So I'm kind of monitoring that as well. Yeah. Yeah. That's good point Yeah, you know, it's funny patch. If you you mentioned something about like, you know, aesthetically, you know, you know, whatever But um, there there are lots of times where if I'm actually exercising and I'm gonna be sweaty I would never wear these because I don't want to ruin them Right, but I I have kind of been you know, maybe I've got a few podcasts lined up And I want to go on a real nice long walk and I just really want to be immersed I will wear these out in public, but I always feel slightly like Am I showing off, you know, do I seem like I'm You know going overboard where everybody else, you know, has their you know, earbuds I I think of a there's this I used to be on a train where there's a lot of kids from Brooklyn in New York City on a regular basis And you could tell who were like the djs and the music enthusiasts because of the headphones they wore So I just think you look like somebody that actually likes to hear what the music sounds like Totally and I mean and if that's the case then why would you care what anybody thinks, you know But but I still I sometimes I still feel I'm like I'm wearing really big headphones But they are nice Yeah, and very comfortable And really hard to kill Which I'm a big fan of Yeah, oh, yeah, if they were killable, I would have you know, you can't see but look at that like Yeah, the foam is just degrading but the headphones still work great Yeah, no, they're they're amazing at how long they last. I mean Yeah, I like I have a little like a play it's funny like you can't see it, but there's A velour over the inside of this. I've literally worn the velour off of the inside of these pads Because I've worn these headphones so much I also Because I have I mentioned I I use them for certain podcast productions and It means that somebody's going to wear a pair of headphones that somebody else wore before and so I'll do a little I'll do a little handy wipe type thing and that hasn't That hasn't been an issue at all. And I was kind of worried that it was going to ruin the material, but Um, it hasn't no, they're pretty they're pretty indestructible and you can get replacement parts for we can Replace many ear pads for them. Right. Yeah, I think Roger you mentioned that Yeah, I got the ones that actually work with the the mono price one you were talking about which I'm wearing right now So I bought two of the pads and they work great They actually make those sony headphones fit better Because they went instead of sitting on your ear. They sit because the pads are chunkier And I don't mean that in a mean way. I just you know, I thought I knew you Patrick I thought we were close but apparently I mean My ears are that small sarah. I I have I need to be able to listen to I have the ears of a kit fox patrick Large and delicate the bigger the ear the more, you know, that's how you become a good parent You know, you can always I you know, you can always say I heard you say something What are we calling this episode? Oh, we're calling this another day another breach Or the headphones are a lie The headphones are a lie Why is what's a lie about it? No, they're very much a reality. Yeah, I thought we had good headphones Hey, then we can go with Patrick Norton says listen I like that. Yeah I had totally forgotten garfield. I'm gonna get a pair of garfield softies and try them out on these Sennheisers These you'll either you should click on the link. I just sent out sarah Is it like garfield the cat or is it just no, this company's been around forever. They make they're these weird rayon chenille Covers that slip over Headphones so it's named after the former president garfield possibly one of the audio guys that At that place Where'd you send the link? I don't know where that is. Oh, you send it to the chat and uh, if you look at the chat Oh, oh, oh, got you. I was looking in slack Do But one of the audio guys that we used to work with that tech tv was a big fan of these They always make me laugh because they look they look like a 1970s couch cover Nothing, you know, they're good They must be good. They look like that The sound is as smooth as a 70s couch. It really does look just like corduroy from my old Not a couch, but it was like um Pants it was just it was like a so not a sofa suite But it was like a seat that you So if a seat the head of satin, but it could swivel I don't know what you call this. I'm not a furniture person. So I don't know the difference between a chase lounge and a couch and a sofa Oh, yes, you do a couch and a sofa the same thing a chaise is well It's behind me. Although the rest of the couch had to be thrown out, but it's that end where you can go Aren't the same I mean Maybe they didn't used to be but they for sure are a couch and a sofa It's just a couch. Didn't we talk about this recently though? Like we talked about it last year Oh, okay We talked about it as recently as last year. In fact I'm telling you they're the same. No, I know what you're saying. Sarah. The usage is the same now. Nobody nobody makes a distinction But I think we did talk about there's an amazing apartment. Why there were different Why there were different terms Right. Well, it's sort of like family room and den I mean, well, that is not for the family It's for what is it for? Well, it's usually for the guy and his buddies, right before it was a man cave Wasn't that the den or no, I don't think so a den to me It was like where you know the tv was and no no den Den to me growing up meant and we didn't have one but the people who had one that was where dad had his stuff It was almost like a home office I just think of den with um Who's the father mic brady? Because yeah, his office was in the den So that was that was Oh, I don't know why in stays. I mean, I never had a den either So maybe I don't know what I'm talking about Well, I didn't either so I'm I do remember being a kid and people saying like oh the family room And I was like the living room and they were like, well, no the family room. I'm like I mean, you the family lives Well, the living room usually is near the front of the house because that's where you bring people Guess in but the family room is further back where you keep the mess Because But I yeah, I was gonna say my grandparents The my grandfather's den was called the nook and it was this sort of secret Stare above the fireplace in the family room the family room was where everybody would hang out with the fireplace And the living room was with all the fancy furniture that I wasn't allowed. That's what you were pressing here Ah, right. And there was also a formal dining room people over for tea, but no one ever really uses it My uh, my dad always complained that we never lived in the living room Here's a bottle of tequila and a hammer dad go for it We we we for sure did not have any furniture that would be appropriate for a room That I was not allowed to go in Even if we had an extra room, which we did not We put the Christmas tree in the living room and then we were allowed to hang out in the living room and Christmas Uh, you know when people came over for Christmas dinner We would sit around the tree and exchange presents in the living room That that's what the living room is for the rest of the year 10 months out of the year that room was off limits Uh, the only time I got to hang out is when I wanted to watch the st. Louis blues because my dad hated hockey So he'd make me go watch it on the tv in the living room Really? Yeah, so if you weren't allowed in there ever, you know, you and your siblings Not your parents using it a lot. No, nobody was so it was just it was just a dead room most of the time It was for entertaining only so when people came home when you came home you walked right through it There's also a mud room, which kind of is not really Yeah, and that's I that's I know what a mud room is but I you know, it's foreign concept I love it a mud room I I've been always I just take my shoes off at the front I think it's drilled into me Yeah, well that's what the mud room is is for is for taking off your shoes But okay, here's my question roger So let's say you have a pair of dress shoes, right? You're not wearing them all that often But if they come out they're not down there with all the other shoes, right? No, take them out of the closet and bring them to the front and then put them on them on okay You don't know what you stepped in You might have been to you you might have went to the most amazing wedding But it could have been on a field with a lot of dogs that were there the previous day I don't just stepped in you know what through the house Look at the bottom of your shoe Well, you know, it's funny because I'm I'm with you on that. I I don't want to wear shoes in the house. It's dirty But at the same time, you know how you have people come over and they say should I take my shoes off? Yes, I always feel bad saying I don't feel bad There's a giant collection of shoes at the front that gives the hint hint I know I should just get over it because I've had lots of people with shoes walk around I'm like a white shag carpet and maybe like I don't know we even have a sign that says take your shoes off But you also told me when I came over and yeah, don't worry about that No, because because we hadn't cleaned up No, because at that point we the house was new and I was like if I make you take your shoes off You're going to be walking through dust and dirt. This is thom's uh roundabout way of telling me to wear socks Well, I wouldn't even want your socks under your filthy feet roger Here's Now now that we've like tidied up and we've settled in then I might be it would yeah, right Yeah I should just I should get over that and be like actually yeah, it would be cool I mean, I understand some people say that culturally depending on how you were raised Taking off your shoes might be implying that you're gonna stay a while And it's like oh Well, it was I don't know about that but I remember the With some some Korean friends of ours in the high school or in college It was really weird to be asked to take your shoes off and then it took me It was it was the first but but but you know, I mean we're where I grew up Nobody took their shoes off in any house like ever. Yeah, I know it's the same. We never did either See where I grew up my grandparents on my mother's side. It was a take your shoes off house Right. That was a thing like oh, we're in grandparents. I was gonna take her shoes off My mom wanted to do that at our house and my dad was like, that's ridiculous I'm not making people take their shoes off just walking our house There's also and this is actually literally a section of the city episode But there's also and I've been through this before let's say you go to a holiday party, right? We're coming up on the holidays So sometimes people have you know, little cocktail parties and stuff Then you got an outfit and you got real cute shoes and then when you have to take your shoes off You're like, oh the whole thing's ruined. I wouldn't know you've worn all of this the shoes make the outfit Now I'm not even gonna wear them. I'm sure it's standard, right? You know what if they moved shoes and moved away from shoe laces to just those velcro straps that you had Yeah, oh nurses shoes Yeah, it's just you know, then then people wouldn't feel so bad because it'd be Shoes would be great. No, it's not about the laces. It's about the cute shoe Well Well, and it's also about expectation of like, oh, I didn't think I'd have to take these off at the other end of the Well, yeah, it's a christmas party and that doesn't happen that often, but it has happened where I'm like, man I might be hanging down in LA or back in san francisco I don't know Shoes and the LA just like that just well, no, okay So it's not even about the fancy shoe like think of it this way So if I'm wearing pants where they're a little too long But I'm wearing heels so I kind of you know, I've sort of elongated myself and the whole thing works as a package Take the shoes off and then I've got these like You know, you may find it shocking but I at the bottom and I look weird I was stylish at one point in my life and I understand everything working together to make a complete look I get that I actually was that person Several decades ago. I'm just saying like It just it just to be asked to remove your shoes at a holiday party. It just really I'm just really Really? Well, if it's in someone's house word, that's what you do. Who cares if it's a party They can freaking vacuum and clean after everyone's gone So much more because You you can't vacuum away all the stuff you got to go through it with a with a carpet cleaner Which is why I own one Yeah, you just I mean I get being asked to remove high heels on the deck of a boat that I completely understand I think I think some some houses Yeah, why do you wear your people coming over for the super bowl the shoes come off which is fine I've just been disappointed in the past a few times where I'm like, huh Yeah, I wish I would have known this. I just would have worn something different It's I wish I would have known this right The expectation is always the same then you want to worry about it But it's now it's like become a research issue of like wait, which person am I going to which So I wear socks without holes I too wear socks without holes But I will I will wear them if I need to go out to the supermarket and grab like groceries No, you will wear socks with holes Darn your socks I do they're in a and they're in a package and I don't want to open it because it's pristine The older you get Roger the more like my grandmother you get Why she wore holy socks Star Wars figurines Roger keeps his socks at a bookcase on the wall in These socks are mint My mom my mom was just shaking her head because she found like five pairs of shoes unworn still in the box So I still have these I have yet to I bought these Last year could I've yet to open them? Where are you showing my socks? Open them for the patrons Roger that could be a patron tier Where are your socks? Yes, please Well, I'm supposed to wear these off. What's wrong with my socks? At least open them my goodness to waste of money use the socks Roger I know a waste of money if I still have one with this though because it's like wasting Not I can't think of anything in like a socks and packages, but I'm not opening but it I do weird things too where it's like I have like one dish in the dishwasher and like lots of clean dishes in the cabinet And I'm like, yeah, I don't want to I don't want to fuss with the dishes in the cabinet I'll just take the one out of the dishwasher and wash real quick and then use it. Oh, that's me And that's like it doesn't make sense, but it's just a weird thing that we do sometimes Yeah, another word Video right now and we say goodbye to the video folks, but we're going around weird things Weird things coming up