 I'd like to call the eighth regular meeting of the 2016 2017 common counsel to order the clerk Please read the quote for the day Thank you, ma'am Be selective in your battles. Sometimes peace is better than being right Thank you with a clerk. Please call the roll. There are 14 present Alderman Thiel and Alderman Mary Lent Donahue are Excused and Mary Lent Donahue is going to be listening on the phone with us Please stand and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands One nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all Next item on the agenda is approval of our minutes from the last council meeting Thank you for that motion and support those minutes are before us. Is there any discussion on the minutes? Seeing none all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye opposed motion passes Next item on the agenda is resignation city attorney There is one resignation Diane Wilson ski resigning from the mayor's neighborhood leadership council Motion to accept in file second. Thank you for that motion Thank you Thank you for that motion and support All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye opposed motion passes Next is a confirmation of mayor's appointments city attorney our appointments today are Made by the mayor the following appointments for the mayor's neighborhood leadership cabinet for the Indiana Carter Neighborhood Association Dean Decker as the primary and Peter Shalema as the alternate Alderman Wolf Motion to confirm appointments second Thank you for that motion and support with a clerk. Please call the roll for passage 14 eyes Motion passes Next we have a program the 21st century policing I'd like to call on police chief Christopher Domigalski for a presentation Chris just returned from Summit at the White Washington DC at the White House and We appreciate his quick presentation Good evening mayor and the city administrators asked me to speak a couple minutes and tell you about My trip that I took on Friday So on Friday, I was invited to the White House to talk about 21st century policing So those of you that that aren't familiar in December 18th of 2014 the president issued an executive order Creating the president's task force and 21st century policing Numerous listening sessions were done and information taken out and as a result of that they published your report In recommendations around six policy areas building trust and legitimacy Policy and oversight technology and social media Community policing and crime reduction training and education and officer wellness and safety So over the past month the White House has held Four meetings. This was the third of the meeting where they brought in police chiefs To discuss the report and more particularly the implementation of the report and the idea was to get Law enforcement executives together with the White House staff to talk about best Practices and implementation so that they could take those ideas and push them out to other departments So that they could try to implement them So mainly what we did was discuss four areas police the White House police data initiative Something that was new to me, but I found very interesting and I'll be following up with Dave Augustine on that Over the past five years. We've done a tremendous amount of work really updating our data systems So that we can better use the information that we have and so one of the next steps similar to what we do with our mapping tool and some of the other things is Gradually being able to push that data out where it's more accessible and transparent. So we'll be working on that made some good connections there and The White House has some staff that we can work with for for support to help us get through some of that We talked about officer safety and wellness. It's an area that I believe we've done a tremendous amount of work Over the last five years again many of the recommendations in the report. We've already instituted including issuing individual first aid kits to all the officers and giving them training So that they could use that One of the officers use that individual first aid kit last night on the bartender that was shot And he put a tourniquet on the victim's arm. So It really pays off when we have that stuff out there. We've put together a peer support team to provide psychological and emotional support To the officers and get them to reach out and ask for help when they're struggling with with things So that's in place. We've just implemented a chaplain program One of our officers Brandon Kehoe a couple years ago took the lead and worked with Aurora to Institute a tactical fitness program in the department. So lots of really good things that are going on there that I think that we can share With the White House so that they can push that stuff out to other departments so helpful there They brought in Dr. Bryant marks from Morehouse University to talk about implicit bias So something that's recommended in the report and something that the Justice Department just announced that they were going to train all their employees So when we're talking about Implicit bias what we're really talking about is unconscious bias. Everybody has biases The importance of the training here is recognizing that you have biases So that you can understand when those situations might pop up that that your biases might come out to try to control for some of that So this is something that that again. I said the Justice Department who is leading some of this is just starting to implement now in 2013 we brought Dr. Laurie Fredell the shabuigan to train all of our supervisors and other supervisors in the county Then we then sent two of our supervisors Sergeant Kurt Zemple and Lieutenant Doug Tennyson To the East Coast to East Coast to a train the trainer course so that they're now Trainers on implicit bias in a program that we call fair and impartial policing. They came back in in 2014 trained the entire department on that On the state level. We've instituted that as mandatory training as part of the recruit training in the department We've also Implemented that into our citizens Academy program and some of our in-service programs So we're way way ahead of the curve in that area. And again, I think we have some suggestions and ideas that that we can share with other people We've also been asked to do the training on that in the command college. So the command college is a Program that we developed through the state for law enforcement leaders to provide them command-level training In Late August here. They're gonna be starting the third class for the command college and Sergeant Scott Reineke will be attending that class So good things for us there and then the last area that they concentrated on Was using social media and storytelling really to get all the positive things that we're doing out there And so I think we've we've made some progress on that. I shared at the staff meeting this morning that they had a Representative from tumblr, which is a social media application that I'm not familiar with but It was very interesting and I think it's something that we could look at not only in the police department But really is the city to help tell the story about the things that we're doing So that was my trip one day Some good information made some good contacts and really appreciate the opportunity to be invited out there I think that's a real tribute to Chris and his department that they were selected to participate in these meetings in Washington and Chris Thank you very much for that report Next we'll go on a public forum city clerk Yes, we have one this evening Lisa Roberts. She'd like to come on up. Can I have your home address, please? You will have five minutes All right, I Just spoke at the zoning committee is a chin is that the last meeting it was planning Commission on The development of the town house is on self here I'm gonna try to make this short. It's not that I'm totally against them But I really think as a city council you should reevaluate this whole Decision you're making here tonight. I think that a traffic study should have been done in south here I think a parking study should be done in south here I really need you guys to look back at what so appears to be about four and a half years ago five years ago I've been down there for six and a half years and It has increased Immensely in six and a half years and when Blue Harbor was sold it has really increased in that period of time They do great advertising for Sheboygan People have come from all over and I really feel that the parking will be Less if you put these townhouses up. I think there's many many other places In Sheboygan on the water that you could put these townhouses again. I'm not totally against it, but What business do we want to come down there if there's no parking we are ready to have a parking problem? I do I know I So South pier ice cream parlor does I know we knows does I can sit here and watch the people parking and Blue Harbor's parking lot Where are they supposed to park? Yes, they gave me a path across grassy path Well, my grandmother's not going to walk that far. So nobody's going to stop in and have fish fry I Asked a long time ago to bring that parking up to the sidewalk. It never was done. We got the path I don't think when I bought this property there that anybody told me that this is going to be townhouses across Now they want to rezone it. I Didn't know that six and a half years ago when I was building my businesses that all of a sudden there's going to be townhouses Nobody said that to me. I Think this should all go back to the board and let the businesses down there discuss it with Development committee or whoever it is a developer. I know we came down and talk to me and it's like still this So pure this peninsula was a dump at one time. I was here. I saw it when I went fishing out there It took this long for your local people to come down and joy Part of Sheboygan if you guys take this away from the city people the city people are going to be upset It's something they've lived had memories and now can enjoy and you guys going to take this away from them and $1,500 a month to rent What I think it should have maybe some weekend rentals with businesses below and above and weekly rentals I know lots of places down there that they do that and they're very very busy people want to come from all over and stay there People yeah that are even attending everything in Elkhart Lake. There's no Places to stay so I really am pushing for this to go back to be a Better study on this so thank you for your time. If you have any questions Thanks Lisa have any questions Thanks Lisa Next we'll go on to mayor's announcements on your desk. You'll find a memo on lakefront water safety task force After the water rescue about a week ago I asked Joe Kerlin to place this on the agenda the marina parks and forestry committee after the occurrence this last weekend I revised that to include both the beaches and the and the piers and This will be brought up at the next medium of the board of marina and parks That'll be coming up on August 2nd for their consideration. I Also like to remind our residents that the Residence survey we need your help to shape Sheboygan for the future. This is an online survey You can just go to the city website click on the banner ad and that'll take you to the website where you can Answer the survey questions if anyone does not have a computer and they'd like to participate They can either go to the mead public library There's a dedicated computer there for people to take surveys and also the senior activity center and the surveys will be available until July 28th Also a reminder for the alderman Survey is going to be leading into a strategic planning workshop We still need everybody to answer the doodle poll on the dates that you might be available to participate In a three-hour meeting of the alderman and staff as we begin this strategic planning process Another summer festival is coming up soon Alderman Lassard asked me to mention that the Lakeshore weekend for kids It's going to be taking a place at South pier not this weekend But the following weekend and it'll take place from Friday through Sunday That's July 29th through 31st things open up at five o'clock on Friday and continued through five o'clock on Sunday They'll have fireworks on Friday night. They'll be a new waterski show and also the familiar dragon boat races And some of you had some questions about our city college That's going to take place after the meeting tonight And I just like to let you know for the future that on the last meeting that we have each month for the next several months We'll be trying to plan another city college and those will be taking place on a regular basis So on August 15th the session will deal with city reserve funds Then we'll go on to public hearings The first public hearing is item 2.1 a hearing to be held this evening to Discontinue the alleged public way located within the bounds of city-owned lanes Commonly known as the shookert farm property. Is anyone wishing to be heard on this hearing? Is anyone wishing to be heard on this hearing? Is anyone wishing to be heard? Alderman Wolf make a motion to close the hearings second Thank you for that motion and support all those in favor of closing the hearing Please signify by saying aye. Hi opposed Thank you motion passes Item 2.2 is the hearing to be held this evening to amend the zoning map the official zoning ordinance to change the use district classification of an interior vacant lot vacant land rather on south pier from class PU PPUD to class South pier PUD classifications. Is there anyone wishing to be heard? Ma'am who you like to come up first Please state your name and address and then proceed with your comments My address here in Sheboygan is 650 south pier drive unit number eight I'm directly across from where you're planning to build or planning to rezone and I do have some serious concerns They were mentioned a little bit this evening already Your traffic flow down there. Could you please speak into the microphone? Your traffic flow down in that area is very poor You had an incident just this weekend that proved again that there needs to be better the vehicular Access to south pier I think if you go ahead and Allow that change You're gonna see that not only is there a parking issue because even though you're saying There are they're going to have To car garages these people they're going to be rentals And they'll arrive just as they do for the Blue Harbor area with not one family, but several families or several people Living in one unit to afford the cost or the the fees that would be in Involved in staying in the unit and then you'd have the parking spilling over into those areas that are already overtaxed at certain times of the year and to miss Richards Comments you've got such a wonderful community and you've got so many wonderful community events Happening out in that area that when you put that housing in there You're going to detract from that the people that are using it today will no longer have access to it Not only because there isn't going to be a traffic flow Already people you you yourselves the police set up a an area this last 4th of July to provide Relief for the traffic problem that is already down there you Encouraged riding bicycles and had police staffing down there to Watch the corral of bicycles I don't know how effective it was because I didn't wander down to see that area But it took hours for people to exit the 4th of July event and then with this last weekend's Trauma down there. I would hate to think that a life would be lost because Of a traffic issue. So my request tonight is that you put off amending your zoning until you provide Access and I believe there is a discussion for extending 7th Street To to access the peer area the peer drive until you do that I think you're going to have major issues similar to what you have on the 4th of July And to begin the the process of building at the back end at the end closest to the lake Is foolish from a standpoint of the traffic flow as well as for those people viewing it and Your desire to sell and I'm sure that the developer is thinking we need to sell these units or we need to rent these units when they're at the And I'm not sure what street it is, but at the turnaround at the circle It would be a much better location to begin phase one might work there and then see how it works and Once 7th Street is extended into the peer area then it's possible that maybe a Large complex like that might work But right now you don't have the parking and you don't have the traffic adequately Taking care of for that area back there plus not only that but you'd be robbing the community of Access to the events that are taking place down there that are sponsored by community leaders Thank you for those comments Is there anyone else wishing to be heard sir Name and name an address, please 342 South Pier Drive thing up here. I'm Bob molar Bobby may want to just hold the mic. All right. I'm the guy that put the golf course in Lino's drive a Lino's restaurant the South Pier and The building that I happen to live in right now okay So I've got two and a half million dollars of my own money invested in that place and yeah things are changing I Want to do some more developing down there, but we got a problem. We got a serious problem I can't believe that one alderman asked the question how pathetic is that but anyways We have eight acres of parking down there 4.2 acres of it is consumed by Blue Harbor resort that means 3.8 acres is available for every other business in every other housing project and We don't even we're here. You're here tonight To change the zoning and there hasn't even been an impact study done on how much parking will be left Once it's in I Asked to put a cut into the driveway to put a parking lot in for myself one cut Mr. Ryan, I think would take up three to four parking spaces And you got 85 of these going with driveways each Where's that where they coming in or where they going out at? We don't we do not have parking as it is now I mean some of the patrons down there that own businesses are putting cones out in their places to to To save parking for their customers The golf course is charged for for 18 parking spaces There's no parking spaces for the golf course and every time you cut the circle off You cut the circle off in the world of miniature golf And we got one of the best ones and the only one on Lake, Michigan Okay, the number one day of the year is the fourth of July for income It has never been the number one day for us ever Because they cut the circle off they put we have us we have an amusement company comes in here They're used to there. I know that they're used to working out in the on grass. We put them in the parking spots Instead of putting on the grass and losing the point and using the parking there something has to be done This is ridiculous. We have people hot rod and after 10 o'clock up and down that street like crazy I mean nobody is addressing any of this parking issues out there. It's pathetic if There was an emergency on the 4th of July There would have been a serious problem for anybody to try to get in there And you should see what it's like living there and if all of a sudden you come in with groceries and you've got to park two blocks away You know, that's all I'm saying Whoever this developer is Should be willing to do an impact study and tell us exactly how many slots are going to be available to park Because we don't have enough now and if there is not any more created. I don't know how we can do that I won't invest anymore. Who was going to invest anymore into that a lakefront property? That's all I got to say Thank you very much for those comments There's another one over here Please come up Good evening. My name is Joe Grosh. I am one of the developers of the Port Sea Apartments My business partner Dave and I have been working extensively in the city of Sheboygan for over the last year now We started on a dilapidated project Brought and drive put a lot of money into that property cleaned it up and it's been a welcome addition to the community After we finished that project. Mr. Hammond and other city leaders Sawed us out in order to try to come up with some solutions that would make the South Pier area more vibrant And be a catalyst towards future development in the South Pier district We've worked extensively with the RDA all city staff the mayor everybody that we can possibly work with including Owners in the South Pier area currently not some of these who are opposed to it we've worked with quite a few people and What we I guess Please don't err up What what we want to emphasize is that we've worked with Many many of the city officials we've put in a ton of investment into making the South Pier district a Vibrant commercial area again One of the biggest issues that we hear is parking. I want to emphasize that our project exceeds The city of Sheboygan municipal code for parking spaces per unit. We are building auxiliary parking lots But we're not taking away actually we're taking a few parking spaces away from the common parking in the area We were taking away a very very small amount. I believe it's only 12 spaces out of all the spaces that are there We are creating over 256 parking stalls for our 88 units, which is well in excess of 2.5, which exceeds the city of Sheboygan's requirement so The point is is that we have worked diligently to work through these issues the parking issues were something that were brought up Almost immediate when you first heading well, we had discussions with the RDA and we changed the project We modified things. That's why this project has taken so long to even get to this point So I want to emphasize how excited we are to be here how much we feel that this project is hike This is an incredibly high quality project that's coming to the South Pier area and How we feel and many many other people feel that this project is gonna be a very strong catalyst to seeing the South Pier District hit its maximum potential. Thank you very much Thank you for those comments. Is there anyone who else who wishes to be heard? Is there anyone else who wishes to be heard? Yes, ma'am Please come up if you're gonna make a comment We will not debate anything. All you can do is make a comment. I guess my comment is It is a question because I don't know the Logistics as to why you didn't publish the request instead instead you sought someone out according to the prior speaker and That doesn't sound quite Right to me and so I I'm I'm asking Why was someone sought out? Was there no one interested in that space and why did you choose someone are you from Sheboygan? You own property, but you're not a resident of Sheboygan That is all this is on the agenda for some debate later, and maybe we can get to answering your question now Okay, I appreciate that. Thank you so much. Did you have another comment? Well, I want to see housing down there In fact the project that I would like to do was going to require more housing down there I have no problem with that whatsoever but I've stood before the Counsel before and said the reason I'm holding off because we have a problem with parking. That's all I'm saying and yet Nobody asked me for input on anything And I just can't even imagine what South fear would be like if we didn't have what we what I've already put down there Okay, that's all I'm saying. I have nothing against the developer. I Housing is what we want Better parking is what we need Thank you for those comments Is there anyone else wishing to be heard? Alderman Wolfe make a motion to close the hearings second Thank you for that motion in support all those in favor, please signify by saying aye opposed motion passes Next we'll move on to the consent agenda that'll include items 3.2 through 3.7 Alderman Wolfe Make a motion to accept and file all our oaths accept and adopt all our C's and pass all resolutions and ordinances second We have a motion in support the consent agenda is before us is there any discussion on any items on the consent agenda Seeing none. I'll ask the clerk to call the roll for passage 13 eyes one no Motion passes next under reports of officers items 4.1 through 4.6 will be referred to various committees Under resolutions item 5.1 is a resolution by Alderman Donahue approving the second amendment to Wb-13 vacant land offer to purchase between the John Michael Kohler Art Center in the city of Sheboygan Alderman Wolfe make a motion to suspend Second a motion to suspend is there any objection to suspension? Seeing none, please proceed. I make a motion to pass all Resolution thank you for that motion and support under discussion. I'd like to call up Director of City Development Chad Pelle check the reason for the suspension in the item that's before you is Related to the Art Center and the proposed Art Preserve on the former shoot good property And all it does is it changes the due diligence period and adds one more day So the due diligence period ended on July 27th. We were to close on the property July 29th It and it puts the due diligence period to July 28th. We're still closing on the 29th It's just that they're finishing up a couple studies and they're not going to have the results in time for those deadlines But they feel comfortable that they'll be moving forward on the 29th with the closing Thank you for that explanation Chad. Is there any other discussion on the motion? Seeing none will the clerk, please call the roll 13 eyes 1 no Motion passes items 5.2 through 5.7 will be referred to various committees Under reports of committees item 6.1 is an RC by law and licensing to whom was reserved Referred our own number 46 of 1617 by the city clerk submitting various license application and recommends that transient merchant license Application 1290 be denied based on his failure to accurate review all relevant convictions on his application His record of violations related to the license activity and his record as a repeat law offender And his failure to cooperate with the committee All of them in the side. I move that the report a committee be accepted and adopted second Thank you for that motion in support under discussion. I'm wondering if mr. Alec at not he was invited to our committee on two occasions and did not appear in either one the committee voted Everyone voted to deny the license Is there any other discussion? Seeing none will the clerk please call the roll for passage 13 eyes and one abstention Motion passes item 6.2 is an RC by public works to whom was referred Resolution number 44 of 1617 by Alderman Bellinger authorizing entering into a memorandum of understanding with the Sheboygan Park project regarding fundraising Location ownership construction and naming rights for a universally acceptable playground designed for use by children of all abilities and Recommends that the resolution be passed Alderman Bellinger. Thank you mayor First I would just like to say that this is going to be a tremendous asset to the community We've worked through marina parks and forestry as well as the public works in numerous meetings to get this to where it's at and I'm pretty excited about it as I'm sure of the Shaw family so with that I would like to Accept and adopt and pass the resolution second Thank you for that motion and support motions on the floor. Is there any discussion? Seeing none will the clerk please call the roll 14 eyes Motion passes Item 6.3 is an RC by finance to whom was referred resolution number 49 of 1617 by Alderman Wolfe authorizing the city of Sheboygan to purchase replacement production Equipment for the cable TV studio and recommends that the resolution be passed Alderman Wolfe Thank you. I make a motion to accept and adopt and pass resolution second Thank you for that motion and support. Is there any discussion on this motion? Seeing none will the clerk please call the roll 12 eyes to nose Motion passes item 6.4 Is an RC by finance to whom was referred Resolution number 53 of 1617 direct referral by Alderman Wolfe authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2016 budget To establish an appropriation for cable TV equipment and recommends that the resolution be passed Alderman Wolfe. Thank you. Again. I'd like to accept and adopt and pass the resolution second Thanks for that motion and support items before us for discussion Seeing none. Will the clerk please call the roll 12 eyes to nose Motion passes Item 6.5 is an RC by finance to whom was referred resolution number 54 of 1617 Alderman Wolfe authorizing the transfer of appropriations in the 2016 budget to establish an appropriation for elections Temporary salaries and recommends that the resolution be passed. Alderman Wolfe. Thank you Again, I'd like to make a motion to accept and adopt and pass resolution second. Thank you for that motion and support. Is there any discussion? Seeing none will the clerk please call the roll 13 eyes one no motion passes Item 6.6 is an RC by salary and grievances to whom is referred a copy of RC Number 48 of 1617 by law and licensing in general ordinance number nine of 1617 by Alderman Donahue repealing and recreating section 2 221 of the miscible code relating to normal working hours and recommends passing the ordinance And then we also have a companion document. There was a dual referral 6.7 is an RC by law and licensing to whom was referred RC number 84 of 1617 by law and licensing Relating to the normal working hours and recommends that sending the documents back to council with no recommendation Alderman Wolfe Thank you. I would like to make a motion to accept and adopt and pass the ordinance Second. Thank you for that motion and support. Is there any discussion on the motion? Alderman Boren Thank you, mayor. I wasn't able to attend the salary and grievance committee or law and licensing and I would just like to hear from the Chairman or vice chairman of those committees as to how the how the discussion went and also maybe have The city administrator make some comments on that on that item Thank you for those comments anyone care to respond Alderman item Thank you, mayor. There was considerable discussion at salary and grievance on this on this ordinance and I think The the general understanding after we talked about it with the city administrator Was not basically to drastically change the hours of the operation within city hall We yet come up come up to some solutions as far as staffing Concerns for lunch hours and stuff like that there Thank you for those comments administrator As you correctly identified the current city code identifies specifically the hours 8 to noon and then one to five With the exception of certain offices will be open continuously doing that during that period The open the goal is to work with the department heads That are located in city hall To look at the possibility of you know having all offices open Throughout the day during that lunch period in light of Other workers in the downtown area that may want to do business with with the city hall departments With the current ordinance in effect, we would not be able to do that Uh, we're also looking at time management and traffic as far as pedestrian and phone traffic and Want to work with existing staff To figure out how best to utilize their their time Without paying overtime to provide again the number of hours necessary to carry out business Monday through Friday Thank you for those comments alderman wolf Thank you, mayor I just wanted to reiterate the the point that the spirit of this is to give Our city administrator the ability to work with the management and within the guidelines as far as the hours and In which areas needed coverage and being open for our citizens. That's all Thank you for those comments alderman lissard. Thank you, mr. Mayor Our committee discussed this a great length as well And the the vote was two to two And the concern was that the hours are going to change for city hall and the fact that we'll be closing city hall at 4 30 And I think that was the major objection to all of us that objected to it I'm not in favor of the office hours changing for city hall. So I won't support this But that was the discussion that it seemed like it wasn't going to be an issue just as you have spoken about because I don't think that was an issue it was more of an issue of Changing city hall hours so people can't get access. They're all familiar with the city hall being open till five o'clock and Now they want to change that to 4 30 although I didn't hear any mention of that So perhaps our city administrator could give me some clarity on that Thank you for those comments Administrator, thank you, mayor We have worked with the management with the management team for those that represent city hall Asked them to do again studies Taking taking Being aware as to early in the day During the lunch hour as well as at the end of the day as far as again pedestrian and telephone traffic Similar discussion did occur at salary and grievances I I heard very clearly the expectations of those members who serve on that committee and as a result of There is no intention at this time to closing city hall hours earlier than five o'clock Thank you very much Appreciate that discussion Is there any other discussion? If not Is that a roll call Court please call the roll for passage 12 eyes two nose motion passes Next section is ordinances Item 7.1 and 7.2 will be referred to the salary and grievances committee And then we'll move on to matters laid over 8.1 is an RO number 53 of 16 17 by the city planning commission to whom was referred General ordinance number 5 of 16 17 by alderman donahue and jose And RO number 42 of 16 17 by the city clerk amending the zoning map Of the official zoning ordinance to change the use district classification of property located in the interior vacant land on south pier From class PPUD to class south pier Sheboygan PUD 2016 classic classification recommends passing the ordinance alderman bellinger Thank you, mayor. I move to accept and file and pass your ordinance Thank you for that motion and support under discussion alderman jose Although my My name apparently appears on it. I just want to point out that I have consistently opposed The housing project on south pier and I voted against it at every opportunity And I am not I'm not in favor of I think because it's my district this automatically my name appeared on there Correct city clerk. Thank you. That's correct. You're in that district Yeah, and I do not even though my name appears on the document. I do not support the housing project on south pier Thank you for those comments alderman boring Thank you, mayor I've had two personal experiences down there this summer The latest one being on the fourth of july weekend My wife and I and two other couples had a reservation at lino's at six o'clock On the fourth of july on saturday and it was my understanding from reading in the paper that the carnival Was not going to be an operation that night. So I went ahead and made a reservation When uh, my wife and I and the people we were with got down three separate vehicles We got down to the roundabout At about 5 15 the car the traffic was backed up to the entrance of the roundabout and there was no movement at all So rather than sit out, uh, sit out on the roundabout and blocking traffic coming off of Seven street on that part of the roundabout We uh, we pulled up to the liquor store and uh, we just decided that it was going to be impossible It's for for us to get down there And so I called uh, lino's and canceled my reservation and we were still able to Spend our money that night in shabuigan. Uh, my friend john stange over at pier 17 was able was able to get our party in Without a reservation. So, uh, but it was a mess. It was an absolute mess that night Earlier this summer. I believe it was in early june. We also had our reservation Uh at pier 17 on what I would call a regular weekend There was no there was no elk heart lake nothing going on And parking was an absolute premium down there also that night And uh, for people that have some mobility issues To be able to to to be able to have to be able to walk 300 yards to get to a restaurant. I mean, it's a pleasant problem for the business owners down there I'm glad to see they're busy But it is ridiculous with the parking down there I've been down to anglers several times and i'm going down there with a friend on wednesday noon And i've been down there on weekdays And again, it's a present a pleasant problem for those business that businesses to have down there But it's very very difficult uh for parking. I was glad to hear that the developer Is uh planning on exceeding the uh the parking requirements for his development But I think in addition to that there has to be some changes made down there because Frankly, it's ridiculous. Thank you. Thank you for those comments Alderman Lissard Thank you, mr. Mayor I have some concerns about the parking as well and and um had talked to a few people about having a parking study Done quite some time ago and and I don't know if anyone It's been implemented or not I have two questions Number one is it possible to change the zoning on just the first phase of this development? And not on the second phase and implement a parking study Chad can you answer that question? I would believe that's a possibility although I think from a standpoint of the developer and trying to secure financing for both phases Of the project They're probably going to want to know that they've got some assurances that That they can continue to develop out the 88 units or i'm i'm thinking their performer probably isn't going to work What I would like to say though on the two traffic issues both the traffic On the street as well as the parking situation down there In the master plan that was adopted originally in 2003 and amended in 2011 It looked at this these interior parcels as being developed not being recreational or Event space but to be either retail commercial or Housing or a mix of the live work So if if we were to Propose and and do a continuation of what we're doing along the riverfront On the shanty type development, but on this side of the street facing the streets, I think from a Retail commercial standpoint, we would have more parking more parking and traffic Issues than we will with housing. I think housing has people come in they leave It's all throughout it's more sporadic. It's not an eight to five or an eight to six o'clock timeline like you would have in a Normal retail development or a restaurant or something where it's pinpointed to that timeline So I think out of the options that are out there personally. I think housing is is a good fit what I would say is the Stipulations this is a rezoning. So the stipulations of those Concerns related to the traffic and the parking could should be addressed at the planning commission, which they will be at next Tuesday As part of the conditional use permit process those can be addressed there But the council could make a recommendation to prove these subject to either a traffic impact study being done and or a parking study In my 2017 parking in my 2017 Keppel improvements requests I requested a downtown parking study Because I think parking is going to become an issue downtown with the recent developments We could tag along the self peer and get some recommendations going forward on what to do down there as part of that So I think there's a way of having the developer just has have his engineer look at the traffic That would be generated from this and bring you know bring the planning commission back some of those Impacts on traffic and we can deal with the parking as a part of a Amendment to the downtown parking structure. I mean downtown parking study So I think that can be done. I would say though. I would recommend that the council Proceed forward and rezone all four out both phases or all four properties of this development Thank you. Chad anything else all the middle aside. Yes. Thank you I understand that it's you know, he needs to know that he's getting the whole parcel To get his whole project done but and and that's his gamble, but our gamble is If he does the first phase and it isn't successful, then the city's got the gamble of the second phase not happening That's correct in the developers both ways the developers agreement has been built out that way But I think it's it's his intention to build out the entire project The rda who owns the property and has control over the property down there They had raised that concern and that's why the first the phase it's divided broke up into the two phases And phase one is the southern two parcels that are the less marketable parcels and then the northern two parcels would be Phase two, but I think the developer needs to have He probably I believe he needs to have that assurity that this can happen on these four parcels if the you know As he's planning to move forward with both phases Well, what happens to us if we do a parking study and it doesn't work at that's feasible for down there So we've given changed the zoning They're they're going to be doing their building and then we've done the study that you're speaking of And what if it's what if it's not a great idea for the city because of the parking and the the amount of traffic That's down there. Where does that leave the city? I would say that at that stage we'd have to look at some opportunities that may exist on adjacent parcels Like the former pentare property or how to maximize Parking on the properties that we have left there will be Interior parcels left that can be expanded particularly around the spaceport That aren't being developed and as well as there's a large there'll be a parcel left across from blue harbor And maybe those part those need to become surface lots as part of whatever recommendation a consultant would bring forward Well with that being said knowing that you have those things available I think the assurance that if we can work this out for the last phase Would be coming forthcoming but until then I think we should only be approving the first phase of the building giving us plenty of time To do the second part if what you're saying is true about adding additional parking spots then there should be no concern for our developer But we don't have we don't have anything to say to all those people that have businesses down there. That's concrete Yes, we have parking. This is where it's going This is we would like to have more development down there And you'll be able to do more development down there because we have this parking for you And we have this traffic flow for you. We can't say that today, but you're asking me to make an approval on a big complex Including the horse before the cart until we find out these addressed things that have been addressed by the people that have come forth which are our constituents So I would be more than happy to support This amended or whatever it needs to be done that the first phase of this development Be approved and then based on the study That we come to find that you were speaking of then we will approve the sex the last phase of it And I would make a friendly motion or whatever you have to do to get that implemented so that this study is done Thank you Mr. Mayor I'd ask if you can maybe open the floor to the developer and ask him to just come forward and address How he feels about splitting the zoning on the property. I can't answer that on his journey objection to opening the floor Seeing none, would you like to step forward in regards to this proposed change It's it's gonna be very difficult for us to really look at this hard I understand where the city is coming from I think if If that was our only choice, I think that's probably the direction we have to go in We're not here to ram anything down anybody's throat Although we have worked for almost a year on this project With incredible due diligence and resources spent up up until this point And from the development standpoint the development of phase two is what really makes this project work I think that what I would ask as the developer is We would definitely like to see The whole project rezoned we like the idea that chad said about Looking including some of those items within the traffic study later at planning commission It's going to be very difficult for us to move this project forward with just saying oh, we only have 52 units If we're only left with a 52 unit project at the end of the day I don't think it's going to be a good project for us but I would I would just say that if If that's what the recommendation of the council is then I think we're just going to have to go back and reassess And if our hopefully our decision is going to be have to look at everything to keep moving forward But I'm not I can't tell you as an absolute fact that that's going to be the case at this point Thank you. Thank you for those comments Alderman wolf Thank you mayor. I think The situation is a great situation that I think for years and years and years we've been pretty much Waiting for this to happen We look at situations and we say which comes first the chicken or the egg We've had some great investment opportunities with businesses on the riverfront and that's that's Taken many many years to get established I I agree the parking is an issue. I think that what we need to do is get the parking Um parking study wrapped into our other study that we're doing. I think we owe that to our constituents Um, I personally think that we should still approve phase one and phase two because it's going to take some time To get to get that going But knowing that the city city leadership the group here has heard it Um more than once more than twice about the the parking And that there is open areas yet that the city should definitely focus on additional parking Because even if we don't have This construction and this building and this this additional Opportunity take place in the in the south pier Something else is going to have to go in there. We need this. We need this development. We need this growth And parking is going to be an issue and as we heard Um, they've got what 2 and 2.5 Parking compared to what our typical ordinance is So really the city leadership here needs to look at parking With or without this development, but we we want this development And i'm still going to support it with the understanding that the city Is going to do a study with the understanding that we need to help them With the traffic going in and out and I know we've talked about that in meetings That uh, you know, which comes first putting more roads in For better access or and having nothing there or Getting the development and then putting the roads in So we're on the right path. We just have to continue to To go with the direction that it's going. Thank you. Thank you for those comments. So alderman bellinger Thank you mayor I represent the council on the plan commission and I know this developer has been working diligently with the city officials For over a year There's been numerous things going back and forth. Anyway from the appearance of the buildings the the the design the colors the The appearance of the roofs, you know the dormers Driveways parking all of that This developer has exceeded our minimum requirement for parking So if this was an issue of the developer saying, you know what I can only do this Project and I can't meet your minimum. I mean I have to be below that that would be one issue But that's not obviously that's parking issue Uh predates this development. There is an issue down there with the parking and it should be addressed and it's and it should be Come to some resolution that is going to make these business owners You know happy or accept the outcome of of what that whatever that is going to be But to hold up this project and and put this project a 13 million dollar project It's been you know in the works for over a year Because of pre-existing conditions essentially Parking issues that are down there. I think is the wrong way to go If I owned a business down there I would be thrilled that there's going to be development down there And I'm going to have a captive audience and they're going to be coming in and out of there every day And they're going to be looking for places to eat They're going to be looking for places for activities for the for the miniature gall for everything that is located down there for the ice cream for You know the anglers avenue. They're going to be looking at all that, you know as as destinations for their Disposable income. So I think it's crazy to you know for these these people to Oppose this For that reason for parking They have driveways. They have garages um The parking issue again predated this development and I think it does need to be addressed and looked at I'm not saying it's not an issue or a concern by these owners Obviously, it's a very grave concern in their voice in their opinion And we should listen to that and we should be addressed in the plan commission But again, I think separating The the two parcels and doing a rezone of one and not the other Only puts the financing in jeopardy in the whole project in jeopardy And I don't think we want to do that. I think we've got Someone who's worked in very good faith with the with the city to this point and Has exceeded their expectations for parking. I think that we should move this forward and address the parking as a separate issue Through the plan commission. Thank you. Thank you for those comments Alderman lasard Yes, thank you mayor. I think it's more than just parking. I also think it's traffic flow But i'm wondering are we going to be able to put amendment to this To say that we're going to be doing what you had suggested alderman And will that be a stipulation approval that The city add those parking spots on that that chad was speaking about or the study Are you going is it amended or is it just going to read like this and then we go on the word that we're going to be doing it Oh, okay. I'll give alderman wolf. The floor to respond. Thank you. Um, I guess the question would go I need chad's assistance here. We already have approved Um a parking study for the city of shabuigan. Correct. We just don't have it including the south pier We submitted as part of a 2017 keppel improvements request that will be coming to the commission on tomorrow Um, so the idea would be to tag along with that I would believe I I guess I'd look to the city administrator I would believe it's probably a project since it's part Mostly funded with downtown tidd dollars that it probably you know would be Recommended to move forward So it's up to you guys to you know make sure that happens and then we can obviously Include this south pier piece to it The other part about it is I would say the traffic impact I I'd be very easy for the developer to just have his consultant run some numbers And see what that traffic impact is going to be and present that as part of his plan to the With the conditional use permit as part of the plan commission approval Okay, he'll agree with it Okay, so what what would you like from me? Well, I think we have a response under this can they I guess I look to the city attorney Can you amend this ordinance to put those conditions in it or can those be? Um included in the minutes and just uh part of the planning commission approval Someone can make a motion to amend if they so choose I'll make it I'll make a motion to amend it And jad what's the amendment? Amendment is to Come is to do the traffic the downtown traffic study and include the south pier traffic study in that Traffic in that parking study do the downtown parking study Include the south pier in that parking study as well and study that area and make recommendations And then to require the developer to do a traffic impact analysis as to what his development is going to do with additional traffic coming out onto south pier And technically the motion would simply need to make Approval contingent on those things because you can't vote on an item. That's not before the so you're not actually approving doing the study You're making approval of this contingent Okay, does everybody understand the motion? Thank you alderman wolf. Is there a second? Okay, alderman lasard seconded Um, we still have one more button. No, we don't alderman hosane So just to be clear that would mean even though if it passes tonight If the study never occurs the the ordinance changed his void then that is correct It's contingent Okay, is there any other discussion? There there may be if I made there may be the possibility of doing a separate Study to facilitate that sooner We would have to talk about it among staff and look at Some tiff six expenditures down there But I think there might be a way to get the parking study going sooner than the 2017 capital request for the downtown Alderman wolf Thank you. I guess I have a question for City attorney adams Could we make a motion to have the study for assault for the south pier area? Done quickly Versus waiting for you know The full study is not on the agenda today. So what's on the agenda is changing the zoning So you're going to approve or not approve the zoning or you're going to approve it contingent to various things going on You can't do at this point a separate motion on let's do a study that kind of thing because that's not on the agenda Okay, thank you I think the other opportunity you have is to follow through with alderman bellinger suggestion that This be dealt with at the planning commission level and that way The project will not be impinged and chad can still work to make those funds available From tiff six so that we could do this irregardless of the capital improvements Okay Did you want to okay opening up the floor again the developer would like to make another comment. Is there any objection? Seeing none, uh, would you like to step up? My only comment is short in that uh, we need to make sure that With the traffic study that we do Any change that we do that's going to stop us for let's just say the next six months or excuse me 60 days Is going to put this project off a whole another year And I think that's very important to to think about we need to keep this process moving forward and I have I have The utmost willingness to keep working with the council and the planning commission But I we we need to get this rezoned done today And then let's address the planning or the the parking issues and how we're going to address it at planning commission next week or the week after Thank you Thank you Oliver wolf Thank you. I guess I want to Restate my my motion. I would like to see us pass this As it's written Except and adopt and pass the ordinance um knowing that the the council and and city planning can approve The actual parking study and and parts that we have discussed Is that a withdrawal of your sort of amendment? Yes Okay, so the original motion was withdrawn Oliver wolf made a substitute uh motion. Is there a second to that substitute motion second? Okay, we have another motion on the floor under discussion alderman lasard Okay, alderman boran Thanks, mayor Uh, would it be appropriate to open up the floor for the people that want to make comments again before we vote on this? I mean they have heard everything Maybe they've got a couple more comments that would be useful to us I'd make a motion to open up the floor to the people that want to speak again Is there any objection to opening up the floor to the people that previously spoke in the public hearing? Seeing no objection. Uh, mr. Muller, would you like to step up? First of all, I'd like to address two alderman here Number one the slow growth down there has been due to the improper model of the individual lots along the river It's very difficult to put a 2,500 square foot building in there get enough rent from above And below to pay for the taxes and everything that that was the worst mistake we did Okay, that slowed the growth down you can develop down there. There's a lot of places. He's not going nowhere He even said he would that they wouldn't be going anywhere. I want the housing down there. Okay We're not going nowhere. He just said he just said that if I had to do it I kid but now when he sees that everybody's on edge He's really You know coming back stronger now Okay other thing is We have a we have an alderman that called these people crazy Insane You don't understand the problem down there. You don't understand the project enough I've put as much due diligence in three years just trying to study for my next project down there And the amount of miles and stuff that I have put in to develop what I've got that are viable businesses Some of the most successful businesses down there And you're telling me I'm crazy about this not wanting these people to come in here I don't I want them to come here, but don't talk like that to me. That's insane For you to be talking like that He's not going anywhere the south side of that The land between Illinois and fishermen's road is some of the most developed property that you have It's within a hundred yards of lake michigan. You have free access to the to the the conservatory area These people that are in here making these decisions do not I live it. I live it every day I walk the whole property four and a half miles. I do a walk around the property. I'm living it I'm the one that's the only person out there at night living all around the year all the different times When weird people are walking around there and there's no police and everything around there I'm the person living it and you're not nobody has asked me for input into this Nobody has suggested. Hey bob muller. Maybe you know, those guys got a lot of Invested into this place and not once have I been invited in a committee a study nothing And to jump into it and I and I I really applaud you If you're smart enough to realize if they go ahead and pass that you have no consequences afterwards Thank you Is anyone else mrs. Roberts I've been down after six and a half years And I agree with bob None of you have been here if anybody can remember the ice skating rink that was down there I helped develop that with Um, Dave and all the guys But the point is is this guy. Yeah took him a year. I put six and a half years in my life down there and self here I'm with bob. I've lived down there for four and a half years day in and day out Seeing this traffic. He thinks he put in a year I think to the city it takes more than a year to develop something that you have and this Parking ordinance or whatever you have a how many parking lots you gotta have You're beyond that. That's all you need to reevaluate that how much parking is needed in an area like that Because this has gotten bigger than you think it has and I don't understand how you guys as council members Do not understand how big So here has gotten And I think you guys need to go back and look at your parking study and going wait a minute We got this many people coming in we got this much parking and we're going to do what? We're going to bring in housing. I mean, there's nowhere else to put housing in No, I think the city should point it wants to figure out how they can get this Off their back of what they're going to do with this land so they can get money in I think you should get more businesses more things down there Something that would bring you in revenue tax is not a developer making money off of your great property that you have in this city I'm sorry, and that's all I feel and I'm going to break to the end for the people of the city of shibble again And I will I will I don't know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna get a petition or something This is way out of line Thanks for the comments Lisa. Yes, ma'am However, I don't have the longevity there that they do I was fortunate enough To have purchased a property a few years back My son has been living down there and I recognize everything that these two people are saying Just from having been there since June 14th this year So there is a problem. There's a traffic problem. There's a parking problem It is a beautiful beautiful part of shibble again And I'm afraid if you go forward with the idea that these studies are going to be done You're putting the cart before the horse You should have done these studies prior and allowing the developer himself To look into the traffic study I think that's something the city should do Because you're not going to have a conflict of interest. He wants it to go forward His engineer is going to be in favor of going forward. So he is going to see What he wants to see in any study So that's something that the city should be looking into Thank you for those comments ma'am. Next I'd like to turn it over administrator hofland The speakers tonight have expressed concern regarding Traffic studies as well as a parking study initially There was by older wolf Possible friendly amendment, which was ultimately withdrawn in light of the continued discussion I would like to put forward for your consideration Possible amendment to the conditions that a completion occurred to the satisfaction of the plant commission of a traffic study prior to phase one being Prior to phase one commencing second is an additional condition Of a completion of to the satisfaction of the plant commission of a parking study before phase two commences Any other discussion Alderman wolf I would agree with mr. Hoffman's Recommendation and I would put that forward as a as a new motion Thank you for that motion and support. Don't we have a motion already on the floor? I seconded the original So we'll be voting on the amendment first and then depending on the amendment could you state the amendment again, please sure An additional condition that completion To the satisfaction of the plant commission of a traffic study prior to phase one commencing Second additional condition is for the completion to the satisfaction of the plant commission of a parking study prior to phase two commencing Under discussion alderman bellinger. Thank you, mayor. What would be the length of time that would take to get a traffic study completed Chad can you comment on that? I would say three to four weeks at the max maybe two weeks at the short end depending on the workload And just to ask answer the question of the lady that spoke typically the city Um, you know, we could hire somebody to do the traffic impact study. That's not been our Way, but we recommend who we want them to work with and then our Planning our engineering staff work closely closely with them because they need a lot of information from us So I would say a minimum of two weeks. Maybe a maximum of a month Do you have anything else alderman bellinger? No, thank you alderman lasard Another question There's a there's a property to the south of the triple play or the spaceport building And I can't tell you how big that parcel is but the there's a department that parking lot that's in front of Prohibition bistro and then goes like on the south kind of north northerly side of spaceport That that kind of t looking parking lot There's a parcel behind spaceport left and then directly in front of spaceport or triple play In kind of in front of the water park There's another parcel there and that is adjoining that parking lot that's there. So those parking lots could be expanded With more parking spots and the city has the space trailer to do that that it won't affect Planning or building of this project. That's correct And it also won't affect any kind of riverfront development Which is the most taxable property that we would like to not have parking on but it would allow for interior parking Okay, alderman boring I just have a question on a traffic study. I would presume that your traffic study is going to be Done at it's going to be done seven days a week and it'll include busy weekends down there It's not going to be Monday through Friday from eight to five Because we have to get it. We have to get a true traffic pattern down there including race weekends Busy weekends and I don't want it done in january. I mean it it's got to be done The busiest time of the year. So I just want assurances that it's going to take in Seven days a week including elkhart weekends or whatever weekend is going on and whatever else is going on in this county Yeah, so I'd ask for ryan sasman to come up and just address the council as how a typical traffic study is done Traffic study such as this they won't use well, I mean they'll look at the fourth of july because that's such a unique situation But yeah, they'll definitely look at like a high volume weekend like an elkhart lake event going on I believe possibly what you had down on the june 17th. I believe you might have the indie races during that time But yes, they will they will look at a worst-case scenario But probably not the fourth of july because that's that that's one day a week Thank you very much ryan Next to this alderman drawn Thank you, mayor. I just wanted to quickly say I thought this is a study that we did for the potential D league coming into town Really covered event parking well that we need to see some of that component in the mix for events down there Where we can potentially ship people in by bus or other ways to get them in and out Rather than the volume of cars, but that's just an aside to that just as a measure Thank you I think we answered all the questions. Okay, so we have an amendment. We're voting on Before before we move ahead. Okay, so and I'm glad you had some discussion because it allowed me to kind of think through If you're going to make This change contingent You really need to have as we've done in previous contingency changes A specific date You can use the date that's in the developer's agreement for commencing phase one and phase two, but that would be really Preferably be part of the motion really though a better option is When you're doing a plan unit development type zoning change You have contingencies within the plan unit development change And so really probably the better way to handle this Would be to put those contingencies that administrator hofflund has listed and and the council has a motion before and on Not as a contingency for approving the plan unit development change But as a contingency Of the plan unit development change meaning that you're approving them and these contingencies are a part of what is required In order to have that particular zoning This is plan unit development is a little bit different than a straight residential zoning a Straight commercial zoning. So I think probably The better way to get to where it appears a number of you wish to go would be that ladder It does Apologize it probably does require you to withdraw a motion and make a different motion if that's what you choose to do Alderman wolf, did you want to accept that? Yes, please Alderman lasard, is that okay with you as well? Okay, we have a change in the amendment as the city attorney described one last call for any discussion on the amendment Alderman trester, you had your light on before did you I just could before we vote would you please lay out What we're voting on and how it's going to be worded right well in essence i'll i'll explain What it is and and the wording administrator hoffman has kind of written down so i'll leave that to him if that's all right In essence what you're doing is You're still approving the zoning change to planned unit development But you are changing Some of the contingencies within the planned unit development to include that you have to do these various studies prior to Construction commencing on phase one and phase two Administrator hoffman. Okay, here we go One additional condition is that completion to the satisfaction of the plan commission of a traffic study Occur prior to phase one commencing Second additional condition is the completion to the satisfaction of the plan commission of a parking study prior to phase two commencing Okay, is there any other discussion All of them in boring Attorney Adams are you suggesting we should put a date on those? No, it gave you two options and and suggested the latter is the better option and that's and that's the motion That's been made by all the all the person work. You could have done either one, but I would recommend you do what all the person wolf has moved to do Okay, seeing no more lights from the clerk. Please call the roll on the amendment No Motion passes now we're back to the original motion as amended Is there any other discussion on the original motion with this amendment? Seeing no lights with the clerk. Please call the roll For passage we're voting on the on the zoning change now. Yes, right. Okay 11 eyes three noes motion passes Item 8.2 is resolution number 10 of 1617 by alderman donahue Discontinuing and alleged public way located within the bounds of city-owned lanes Commonly known as the shukrit farm property Alderman wolf I would like to make a motion to pass resolution second Thanks for their motion and support under discussion Seeing none will the clerk. Please call the roll 12 eyes two noes motion passes Item 8.3 is resolution number 47 of 1617 by alderman donahue Authorizing the director of planning and development to act on behalf of the mayor is a certifying officer for the issuance of environmental reviews Related to the HUD community development block grant program alderman wolf. Thank you, mayor Again, I would like to make a motion to pass the resolution second. Thank you for that motion and support. Is there any discussion on the motion? Seeing none will the clerk. Please call the roll 14 eyes Motion passes Item 8.4 is resolution number 48 of 1617 by alderman donahue Authorizing the submittal of a grant application to the us EPA Area-wide brownfields planning grant for the indiana avenue corridor and recommends that the resolution be passed Alderman wolf Thank you, mayor. I would like to again Make a motion to pass the resolution second Thanks for that motion and support Is there any discussion on the motion? Seeing none with the clerk. Please call the roll 14 eyes Motion passes for other matters. They'll turn it over to the city attorney 9.1 is a resolution by all the person levendusky To create a committee so look at what should be done to reduce reduce the risk of people drowning while out our lakefront That we referred to the public protection and safety committee Alderman lee windusky, I would like to have this also referred to the committee at a whole Alderman lee windusky I appreciate that motion and the council can vote on it But I really think it needs to go to ppns first and then after they've dealt with it If they want to then they can bring it back to council and it could be referred there But we want to follow the the committee structure and give them First crack at it and I really don't like to have joint referrals unless it's absolutely necessary Is there a second to that motion? Okay, there's a motion on the floor. Is there any discussion on the motion for referral? Seeing none with all those in favor of the motion for joint referral to the committee of the whole and The public protection and safety committee signified by saying aye Opposed Motion is defeated So then this will be referred to the public protection and safety committee city attorney 9.2 is an ro by the city clerk submitting various license applications for the period ending December 11, 2016 june 30 2017 and june 30 2018 that'll be referred to the law and licensing committee Next is a contemplated motion for closed session alderman wolf Thank you, mayor. I would like to make a motion to convene in closed session under the exemption provided in section 19.85 1e, uh, wisconsin stats We're competitive and bargaining reasons required a closed session for the purpose of Deliberation related to development opportunity on parcel number 5 9 2 8 1 dash 4 7 0 9 6 8 And number 2 discuss redevelopment opportunities on indiana avenue and number 3 2017 health and insurance benefits for employees Second thanks for that motion in support with the clerk. Please call the roll for closed session 14 eyes Motion passes. We'll take a three minute recess and I'd like to advise the viewers at home That we will be adjourning in closed session and we will not be coming back on the air after this We should we should let people know that the city college portion afterwards though is an