 Welcome back. It's still the breakfast and plus TV Africa dispute between the federal government of Nigeria and the academic staff Union of Universities has lingered for months in fact since February 14. This is even just the latest It's been on for some time. It's caused a pause in the academic activities And it's also disrupted the academic calendar of Nigerian students university students However, some Nigerians are now backing the federal government in implementing the integrated personal and payroll system Concerned by the long-hauled in academic activities, especially after a long holiday due to the COVID pandemic Some stakeholders are backing the federal government to implement what is called the IPPIS in place of the university transparency and accountability solution Utah's proposed by the academic staff Union of universities universities, but what exactly is IPPIS? Well the integrated personnel and payroll system is a centralized payroll a platform By the federal government that helps the government plan and manage its Payroll budget whilst ensuring also that there is no loophole in the disbursement of a payment now instituted in April 2007 the platforms data is used by the body responsible for the payment of salaries and wages directly to Employees bank account with necessary deductions, you know such as taxes insurance and all made automatically What about the university? Transparency accountability solution Utah's well the Utah's is a payment system created by ASU That's the university lecturers Union of for the federal government to use to pay its members salaries And of course, we've had some reactions to this a lot of talk about the ongoing strike Nigerians They simply want this strike to end now Victor Emmanuel also Decay and I joined props of Saul signs and Lecturer at the Michael O'Para University of agriculture Umu Decay is the national president of the academic staff Union of Universities in Nigeria. He joins us now on the breakfast Prof. So Decay. Good morning to you and thank you very much for your time Professor Mano so Decay. Good morning to you and thank you very much for your time. All right, sir Do you do what is your response to some Nigerian some stakeholders who are saying that a federal government should stick to the IPP? Is and not go the way of the Utah's like the Union is is demanding as a way of quickly solving the issues You know surrounding this strike That we But we sent our own nominee for the recap as to what is the decade this time So the issue of Utah is not at happy after we try to impose it on the go It's what both side agrees should be developed and in 2020 We also agree with us and challenge us To produce one for this country Which would be free? I will catch all the peculiarities And the worst step by my deal and university Commission that's why it's a commission will work. It's not the one answer So that is the origin I please are creating some more problems as I'm speaking to you If you for a letter a little bit the country have all left because I'd be Don't come to them. So what we are doing is a strategy for the country I'm not trying to report our solution on the country. I think that's where we are But it's been said initially, I mean the early days of this track the federal government said they had done some integrity tests and It was proven that the Utah's was not Sustainable. It wasn't feasible. It didn't pass the integrity test conducted by the federal government When the Utah's was tested the first time this cost 77% of technicalities are 94% of ad users evaluation Program that's cost of 7% and 94% say because these qualities are people benefit for IPP is the steady sale We went back again for a test I'm also a decrypted So but but prof you you are saying there was an integrity test You're saying people who want to benefit from the the IPP is at once I don't want the Utah's to be adopted, but it's quite clear that the IPP is is Automated and the body that was ordered by President Buhari in in the last check Which is in May 2022 to to conduct an integrity test And was the need that national information Technology development agency not not politicians not any this is an agency that is involved in information technology You know, don't just wouldn't you see that this guys don't have any interest apart from just you know the technology aspect of this Prof are you there please? Hello, Professor Manro also the key. Can you hear me, please? All right, Professor is seems you having some network challenges. We'll get back to you in a gf While we try to sort this issue out. I do not know Whether the professor is with us or not easy with us Professor are you there? Thank you very much. I'm told that he's not with us. We'll try to call him back. Maybe it's a network issue But of course, um, let's just get get to that question. I was asking the professor, you know about the integrity test All right, Professor also look here. I'm sorry about that. I'm sure it's a network challenge But you talked about those who are vested interests of sorts, you know in in this whole integrity test But in in May 2022 was the president director the National Information Technology Development Agency, which is an agency settled with you know, looking into things that have to do with information technology They have the experts as far as IT is concerned in the federal government of Nigeria And don't you think this was a professionally done integrity test that that came out with a result that you know You know recommended the IP API is as the way to go Is that when I think he has was introduced in 2007 was it tested Was me got the repair to test IP ps I have function after the ground servant it today Which is a quarter of about 18 months Has it be tested? I even have that was I said that I should be tested and we passed all of them But the one you are using that you are promoting you never tested it So that is the Contradictory policy of the government Contradictory you brought something that will give you to you are paying so much money Creating so much problem and the man who manage it. It's a lecture. I'm taking one round 17 billion From the great home for the doctor the government through that process and you have to put what in it does it make sense? But they are coming right a lecture taking one 17 billion using that type is platform and a jeep means And we are still promoting it and now we are produced one for you Full of charge of open anything Can't stand still not to serve with my clean up with seven percent As you question, but we make any sense Professor you've talked about the the account general's issue and What exactly is answers problem with with the IPPS? I'm I would like to believe that the account general's travels are not really your problem because you know Your money will be paid to you if you receive a salary as a lecturer whether he steals money from there in terms of asus Pay that led us to the salaries of lecturers being paid from this IPP is what is asses problem with the IPP is We also would like to know What is asses problem with the IPP is as it stands if it works perfectly Appointment You know you may not know me love I say that is it got the castle that would manage if an asses of the university for the account general You see we we can't we can't be great in life in the country where you have the intellectuals as the intellectuals will not allow it This very break the law Let's let this paper come out. You know I see So if you have a lecture in short or short it has a problem with the seller you have to come to a book that will sort it out the lecture in protocol The other problem is that you have to come to a book that will sort out the the problem is that the university is wrong We I think we you put it in a list all of us in the press which is a problem This is correct me. I do something because I care for somebody to advance work So One professor. Okay. Are you are you saying that you as a the national president leader of a labor union like Asu you are you are ready to risk your Money's being paid into a platform. You know that is not run by you or run by set up by government independently, you know, you're ready to risk it that you have a danger of Huckers Getting into that on that platform is stealing your money. You have you know a fraud that can be committed running into billions You don't mind that this failed platform utas utas process with the key utas By Okay, so you as a union Yes, you as a union you as employees of the federal government Because that's what you are you are employees of the federal government want to tell your employer the federal government How to pay you and you are telling the federal government. They must use a platform that you developed to pay you Is that fair to the federal government? I think Just listen to me. I think you already you already you are coming here with a mindset Any country that we that I'm not a laser player is masterfully related to it. And I think we're not a step We're not a step masterfully related to it People at peace has caught my time I'm saying is this not also trying to dictate how they should be paid to their employers the simple question We are not talking about the amount to be paid I'm asking about the mode of payment Is it proper for an employee to say hey my employer you must pay me Problem But but I asked you a question about the integrity of this use task platform it has failed the NIDA Integrity test it is failed the NIDA integrity. Are you not worried that the funds for meant for lecturers salaries will be Open to fraud to attacks to hacks You know on such a platform that has failed the integrity test of a NIDA thereby even putting your members, you know in danger of losing their salaries are not being paid and then you go and strike again To Are you asking me Prof in March this year the DG of NIDA Said that the ASUS UTAs failed three integrity tests and you're telling me prof that you never filled an integrity test So I mean what this is what? Kashif Kashifu Inua said, you know that your platform failed three integrity test. This was in March, you know So so what are you saying when you say ASUS UTAs didn't fill an integrity test What they are telling you about us for time for it to go You remember That's a unit the head of the unit. We have this you we can't we can't report you. We are where It was a few people who are well-being So what I expect of them they should show the result. I showed that Look at where it's looking at your public The one who have shown you this order this comment in that question We All right Some have said that you know what this this UTAs IPPI issue if you look at all the other issues that are You know on the table as far as this ASUS tracker has been on For close to six months now is concerned that them the UTAs is one that can maybe as we can drop that one for now And let's let the negotiations beyond going and if the other issues come to resolved will your unit Is it's not my interest is just a question I'm asking you prof if If My question is this and if the federal government can resolve the issues surrounding, you know your pay Will the union be ready to go back to the classroom, you know to resume lecturing if this IP API's issue is still not resolved If the other issues There's a quarter I'd like to bring your way someone who commented on this UTAs issue an IPP assess code is name is Farooq see he put up a Tweet saying there is no justification What server for ASUS to continue fighting off IPP is it says no way does an employee force a payment platform on His employer for their allowances and which increment I'm totally backing them to fight for it Evgy must find a way to pay them up. That's why I asked you That question another comment status. I've seen online. It says one of the problems with us In this country is that no one is clean and we don't feel bad about our own debt I still blame the government though. It's their job to maintain law and order and show they can be trusted ASUS should accept the payment system governments express proposing and so so your Your your stance you're saying is is if this IPP is issue is not sorted out and your payment is not moved to UTAs ASUS will not go back to the classroom Um Is there no way the federal government can resolve this Maybe look for another solution if it's not the UTAs if not IPP is maybe an independent solution by a third party in the private sector I know The only way to continue forward Is a way for this wrong you correct it and use the chocolate But when the country where people are so sentimental When the government does unlike change Unless where we are where we are today that we're one of the least developed country in the world We're talking about what we have If my DPI is from what we have seen the amount who is managing it was able to use it as a less So ciphon won't tell me people for the system It does not put out the government You see what to use it When your extrications have produced a system for you that you don't need to spread the global Okay, please be to be pushing for that but the work is That of all the people I swear it. Okay, we are challenging government. I wasn't challenging address Look for one university in the world Where the talent of retro rock are trapped from one Oh Okay, all right interesting another highlight of this ippis is the fact that it Is able to weed out ghost workers is able to weed out multiple employment and all that And some people are saying that asu is holding the federal government to ransom over this ippis issue because um But some of the workforce some lecturers in in the employee of university's country I have two jobs they're earning two salaries. So asu and its members rather are being accused of Padding its workforce and salary padding, you know And someone is asking why should lecturer work for five universities when we can employ more Is it true that some lecturers have you know, employment in more than one university in the collecting more than one salary Thereby stopping others from being employed at least to get something to do You see you also show people of knowledge of Nigeria about what university is No lecturer is coloring What body lecture is conditional seven Every several years It's a lot of global repressive as sabbatical So another university So this is knowledge Again, knowledge from there and bring back to the school university Sabbatical league and it's a worldwide phenomenon. You have to know nobody what true You see it's not everybody should be a lecturer For you to be a lecturer you can have second class But the first entrance to be a lecturer you must be a graduate with second class offer For you to move you must have a master's degree And so forth. So it's everybody You now have a professor of Sabbat crying and The next university does not have anybody at that category to supervise their PhD They hire this professor as a PhD lecturer On allowance On allowance Then you have your PhD It is not correct. You can check all over the world You can and so it would not be confused by this very very This We have He came on on a PhD We should All right. All right. It's interesting I wish we had more time with you Professor Manosovic because they're still more very important questions to ask Some some experts have said if ASU wants to create a separate condition of service for themselves And you want to be self governing then you must also be ready to be self funding Um Finally very quickly. Do you agree with that view that if you want to be self Governing and and decide how you are paying and everything then you also must be self funding Is that something that ASU thinks would be will be something that can work? I don't know who said you know University autonomy does not play that ASU is running a university To autonomy means that in the structure You have to be head of the university being the president at a digital He has put it's a government council that will act on his behalf On his behalf the government council That will blow around the university on his behalf Every five years a set up a spectrum panel Check how the university have been run That's how the university run all over the world The issue of a right to education Is a consumer issue Every negative young man who managed to convince funding of education So this is about a All right, all right, bro. Thank you very much for your time and uh It's been a thrill having you. I mean, I know I've had some tough questions But you've you've eloquently answered them and I appreciate you for that We look forward to having you again on this program sometime soon Thank you very much. And that's the size of that discussion where we return We look at other issues particularly a call by Nigerian governors for president Buhari to fire or to suck Um or to lay off work Federal civil servants who are above the age of 50. We'll be right back