 Welcome to another episode of Resiliency Radio with Dr. Jill. Today I have a good friend, colleague, and someone I have respected for so many years and just delighted to have Dr. Tidalbaum here. Let me introduce him and then we'll jump right in. Dr. Jacob Tidalbaum, MD, is one of the most frequently quoted, post-viral, chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia, energy, and pain medical authorities in the world. He is the author of the best-selling from Fatigue to Fantastic, Pain 3, Pain Free, 1, 2, 3, The Complete Guide to Beating Sugar Addiction, Real Cause, Real Cure, The Fatigue and Fibromyalgia Solution, Diabetes is Optional, and the popular Free Smartphone App cures A through Z. He's a lead author on eight studies on effective treatment of fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue syndrome and a study on effective treatments of autism using NAET. Dr. Tidalbaum appears often as a guest on news and talk shows nationwide, including Good Morning America, The Dr. Asho, Oprah, CNN, Fox News Health, and more. You can go to his website and learn more at Vitality101.com and endfatigue.com and wherever you're listening, if you're driving, we will be putting those in the show notes. So at the end, I'll repeat those and then just stay tuned because you'll be able to find those in our notes wherever you're listening. So welcome, Dr. Tidalbaum. It is a delight to have you here. Jealous. Great to be with you and with everybody who's watching or listening today. So many of you suffer from these conditions or treat people who do. And we're going to organize all that for you today and give you a really research-proven, highly effective approach to getting well. I'll also give my email at the end of the show where you can get information, have some questions answered, things like that as well. So if you're ready to get well, let's do it. Yeah, let's do it. And thank you again for paving the way. Let's start with your journey. How did you get into medicine? Did you always want to tell us your trajectory to get to where you are now? People ask, what's a nice doctor like you doing in a field like natural medicine or chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia? And I got into it the old-fashioned way. I had the disease. I've been empathic since I was a, as long as I can remember. And I always remember as a child, I wanted to, I was kind of quiet, really shy. I wanted to hide behind corners and just look at my finger and get people well who were suffering and having things. I grew up in an Auschwitz survivor community, basically. So there was a lot of healing and empathic it was kind of challenging. But I knew forever back that what I wanted to do was be a healer and a teacher. And to be a healer and as a good Jewish boy, I meant to go to med school. And you know, everybody else was wondering what they want to do. And they grew up, even when I was eight. I knew what I wanted to do. And in medical school, I've been paying my own way through college in med school. My dad had died. And so I was working and, you know, I finished college in about two and a half years because you pay by the year and not by the number of courses. So you just pay, you know, get half price. And in med school, you know, working as a nurse was easy, paying my own way, doing the med school thing. There's some other chaos that went on that left me emotionally, left me physically wiped. I came down with a nasty viral syndrome that I call the drop dead flu. I couldn't work, which went, I was homeless and sleeping in parks. And I had a drop out of med school. I figured my life was crushed and over. But it's as if the universe put a holistic, homeless medical school sign on my park bench. Herbalist, naturopaths, energy workers. I was going to talk about how to use the chakras system. All these different things came by and opened this whole world that I'd never heard about in med school. And through that, I learned how to recover myself, went back to med school. I spent pretty much the last 47 years researching, writing and teaching about how to get well from these conditions because they are so treatable. Problem is not lack of effects of treatment. There's just no super expensive medication so doctors don't hear about the treatment. So, so true. I love everything you said, and I'm so sorry you've had to go through that, but isn't it true that through our own journeys and suffering and illness, I've had the same thing? It transforms us because we learn something that is not in any textbook and especially as the receiver, as I say, we went from doctor to patient and then back to doctor because that really gives us this insight into what's going on. So, you dealt with that yourself. You started to realize there's a lot more than just allopathic medicine. I did the same. What a shock, isn't it? Oh my God, you know. The start is on that journey for someone listening out there and we'll dive into specifics, but one of the things that I see and you agreed before we even came on here, we've seen chronic infections, chronic viral syndromes, we've seen toxic exposure like mold, we've seen all these kinds of things and now long COVID and they present very similarly. And as you and I look at the solutions and also the biochemical patterns, they're really the same like long COVID isn't anything new. It's just more prevalent because it's hit so many millions of people more than maybe a tick-borne infection. So take us through someone who's suffering from brain fog fatigue. First of all, what does it look like to be in this like group of chronic fatigue? What might they be experiencing? And then some solutions. Basically, this is an energy crisis, the trips of circuit breaker in the brain called the hypothalamus. That controls sleep, your entire hormone system and the ability to maintain blood pressure and pulse. So all of these are on the same circuit. And you say, well, how do you blow a fuse? Well, you can blow a circuit breaker in your home hundreds of ways. And it can be from post-firo or post-infectious which is about half the causes. You'll see it with Lyme, COVID, Epstein-Bach, literally dozens of different infections can trip the circuit breaker. You can get it from the mole toxins but I suspect more that people once they get this are more susceptible to the toxins. They have the mass electivation syndrome, any kind of severe overwhelming stress. Anything that drives the energy crisis can trip the circuit breaker. What does it feel like? Exhausted and can't sleep. Now, for those of you that long COVID it often takes about a year for the insomnia. You may have when I first had it, I had oversleeping for the first year and then the insomnia kicks in. So about half who would long COVID will find that the insomnia is not there yet but exhaustion, insomnia, brain fog and widespread pain because low energy causes the muscles to get stuck in a shortened position and hurt. Yeah, so I'm sure there's a lot of listeners whether you're patient out there or you're a physician. I have a lot of physician listeners and you see all these patients coming in. So what is your map of this and how would a patient or a practitioner approach these kinds of conditions? So think about an energy crisis trips the circuit breaker. You want to get rid of, if you have too many space heaters plugged in on a winter's day, first thing and you trip circuit breaker. If you just turn the circuit breaker back on they're going to blow the circuits again. So you get rid of the things that are draining the energy, unplug the excess stress, excess space heaters, treat the underlying infections like if you've lined things like that you treat those things. To turn the circuit breaker back on our randomized double blind placebo controlled published research has shown that the shine protocol treats sleep. Hormones, this is the entire hormone system was pretty much controlled by the hypothalamic pituitary circuit treat the infections, treat nutritional support and exercises they will not too much exercise. You'll be bedridden for a couple of days and get the post exertional malaise but enough to prevent the conditioning. People are afraid to do any and there's this kind of fine line in between is where you just go for a walk if you can't many of your bedroom that's very treatable too. And part of the H is like a hypotension or pots orthostatic intolerance that you stand up gravity sends all the blood to your legs this controls sending the blood back to your brain that's not working. So we'll talk about there's free information sheets for I know they call me rambling jack was my college nickname and I rattle off a lot of stuff. You can email me at fatigue doc to see if they actually ue to see at gmail.com just ask for the five row or long COVID information sheets. They're free. If you're a practitioner let me know I'll send you the one for practitioners. But there'll be a for the hypotension there are two simple tests you can do at home that will tell if you have pots. They're easy. You don't need a $2,000 till table test. There's a simple questionnaire and a blood pressure screen pulse screen and then how to make it go away. It's not hard. You just have to know it's there. So this is all that organized approach. We'll take care of restoring energy production turn the circuit breaker back on help muscles relax so the pain goes away. And even the secondary nerve pain that comes from chronic pain blah blah blah blah blah saw in there this organized shine protocol will get you well. Perfect. So I love the acronym effective medical, right? It's all about acronyms that keep it in memory and it's so concise. And what's interesting is this protocol for you has been around well before COVID and long COVID like you've known how to treat this you've taught doctors you've taught patients you've treated patients successfully. And like I said, it's so interesting because yes, it's affected more people maybe severity slightly worse with long COVID but it's really nothing new under the sun. Right. This protocol still works for this one more infection that's tripping the circuit breaker. And, you know, unfortunately people are getting blown off. We have thought COVID being, you know, the big ticket item everybody will get COVID but people along COVID are now finding the same thing they're going to the doctors and the doctors are implying there's nothing I don't know what's wrong with you so you're crazy. That is unacceptable. It's called being abusive. If the doctor says I'm sorry I don't know what's wrong with you that's honest. If the doctor implies to you and your family I don't know what's wrong with you so you're crazy. I recommend you get up walk over to them give me a kiss on top of the head say thank you so much for letting me know what a complete and utter asshole you are and how abusive you are turn around walk out slam the door real hard and say you should call the police this guy is an abusive monster and walk out the door because it is totally unacceptable. Yeah. That they did the same thing with multiple sclerosis for lupus they called it hysterical paralysis say lupus was neuroses. This is no longer okay to do this. I couldn't be more and again that's it's affecting more people and part of the trauma is when you are suffering you know something's not wrong right and you go to your doctor and they say they invalidate all the things that you're feeling and we start in that way we're also even losing touch with our intuition and our sense of self that's telling us something's not right here let's move to POTS dysautonomia is become much more awareness around it because with long COVID we've seen it even though you and I again have seen this for decades talk specifically about POTS dysautonomia because that's I think such a core of unexplained fatigue there's many things but this whole specific our hydraulic pump getting pressure to the brain is such a key talk just a little bit about that well think about it to be an upright species we had to develop the ability we're a big bag of water and gravity is going to send it from our top of our body down to our ankles think about that just normal to become an upright species we had to develop what's called the autonomic nervous system that sends that blood back to the brain and heart and the rest of the system and that's it's so critical that it's part of that key circuit breaker called the hypothalamus controls blood and blood pressure and blood flow so that is that circuit is turned off by this disease it goes into a hibernation mode so you stand up the blood goes through your legs and you may get a little dizzy in the beginning but more commonly after 5, 10, 15 minutes of being up maybe even 45 minutes get brain foggy you get exhausted and you just see the effects of autonomic blood flow and that triggers pain and the rest so traditionally people doctors are taught to do a tilt table test as I mentioned earlier want to make people feel horrible too it's not especially reliable and three it's 2,000 bucks which your insurance will give you grief get paying for Mayo Clinic Journal had a very nice study comparing a simple questionnaire that takes two minutes to the tilt table test and this what's called sensitivity is specificity that it was as reliable there's another 10 minute pulse test and again if you just email me at fatiguedoc at gmail.com ask for the information the pots and whatever both of those tests are how to do them at home or in their practice easy easy easy and then it's a list of how you treat at one compression stockings not rocket science you get 20 to 30 millimeter or medium pressure compression stockings higher the gup they go the better you'll see a big difference increase your salt and water intake your salt restricts somebody with this disease they will crash and burn they need a lot of salt and then there's countless other simple things you can do medications natural things it's just all listed out perfect now that's great that's a real practical because I think more and more more people are aware of mastel and pots just don't know me whereas it wasn't in the conversation before so take us through the shine protocol you give us an overview but where does it actually look like in practice okay and let me since you mentioned mass selectivation for those of you who have a lot of sensitivities if you email me ask for the sensitivity information sheet or the mcas sheet and I'll fill that in as one of the attachments those of you who have severe anxiety hyperness and sensitivities to everything certainly when all else fails you want to look at the mold issues so but then the shine protocol number one sleep assess for sleep the circuit breaker that controls sleep isn't working so you have trouble falling asleep staying asleep you know you have that two o'clock wake up call or wakes you all up you have trouble going and staying in deep sleep he states what's called entry deep sleep so you stay in light sleep so you need treatments to sleep the melatonin there's a wonderful EP 120 sustained release 10 milligram melatonin I take that myself each night and an herbal mix called the revitalizing sleep formula mix of six herbs these you can get them on my website but anywhere amazon will have these these are commonly available I prefer I don't private label much stuff I want people to be able to get it anywhere anything to buy on amazon besides the smart energy system and ribos I don't make a penny answer if you think well he's just selling stuff I'll get that subtle bit I'm gonna buy all the stuff on amazon he won't make a penny yes just use it get yourself butter don't worry about it if you want to support me you can go to the n fatigue.com website but the revitalizing sleep formula mix of six herbs wonderful place to start for medications falling asleep this thing was from staying asleep the medications ambience one of the best and I know people have oh my god ambience sleep drive and rest some people everything can affect anybody in different ways and if you don't tolerate it you don't tolerate it but it can be very very helpful taking a little bit of bedtime and sometimes a little nip under the tongue in the middle of the night crush it between your front teeth stick it under your tongue with just two milligrams put your back to sleep tracidone flexural gabapentin lotos there's countless different herbals there's a mix of essential oils called terrific z z z z there are many many natural over the counter and then prescription items that can get you sleeping like a kitten so that's the s let's go h h again there'll be hormones and most of you are gonna find you get irritable when hungry which is low blood sugar which is low adrenal even though the tests are normal let me talk a moment about testing you know how you go to the doctor the doctors say well the tests are normal they ask the doctor what is normal manual well I guess I mean there's no problem right okay what most doctors have no idea of most doctors would rather you stay home just send the test and they don't have to listen to go blah blah blah these won't look at the test and I wondered where the normal range come from first of all when I was in my second year of medicine 1980 opened my own practice and I was I had to have it if I would get a general chemistry and a cholesterol panel on each duck when I thought cholesterol is important on each new patient and what I found is both panels had a cholesterol level down at the same lab and with two national labs and the cholesterol levels routinely were 20 to 80 points different under two panels same tube of blood same person so I took the next 20 people noted that to the lab and this was the national lab so it wasn't just one local lab people coming to me from all over the world and I said you've got this problem and they fixed it immediately you know how from that day on they suppressed one of the two cholesterol results wow from the two panels so again we'd like things in black and white but what does normal mean normal it's called two standard deviation blah blah blah means you take a hundred people and the 95 in the middle are in the normal range and the highest and lowest two and a half percent are abnormal put it the way it's easy to understand if you have shoe sizes the normal range for shoe sizes is size 5 to 13 so if I put you in my size 12 shoe you know and I put on a size 8 they're both in the normal range the doctor will say nothing wrong with the shoe this is obviously nonsense so hormones testing it gives a little idea of where you stand relative to the average person but it's being normal is no more likely to be proper than your doctor have a size 6 shoe on will fit them so how do you tell if you have the adrenal support irritable when hungry if you get hangry there's a increased salt increased water cut back sugar your cravings will go away the sugar cravings will go away with this protocol a nice product called adrena plex wonderful one or two each morning smooths that right out and I will consider the very very low dose hydrocortisone not enough to be toxic and in my research it did not suppress the adrenal at that dose because we looked at that that was one of the things small percent will need that but on those who need it they need it so adrenal we have that and there's the other adrenal hormones but that's the main thing thyroid thyroid achy weight gain cold and tolerant I don't care what your test show if you're free T4 is not high which is not going to be the TSH is the worst piece of caca test almost I can pick a couple others with a hypothalamus not working that test is meaningless utterly meaningless so I will get thyroid hormone and again the type dose form all varies from case to case whether you need desiccated thyroid centroid T3 whether you need a tiny dose a high dose you got to see what feels the best to you and as long as the 3T4 is not elevated that's okay it can be low give desiccated thyroid it'll drive it low blah blah blah thyroid achy weight gain cold and tolerant try thyroid that's what I do in my practice and then testosterone estrogen progesterone in a woman especially in the mid 40s the blood test will not show the onset of paramentopause estrogen progesterone efficiency until it's been low for 5 to 12 years so how do you tell if you're fibro symptoms not PMS but fibro symptoms brain fog headache insomnia the fatigue are worse around your menses that says because what's why would it be worse around the menses because estrogen progesterone plummet around the menses and around ovulation for a day or two if you have that timing you know that you need some of the bio identical hormone and testosterone in men and women a professor Hilary White at Dartmouth showed that even with normal testosterone levels if you give women a low dose testosterone milligram or two doesn't take much of the cream they're painless hey everybody I just stopped by to let you know that my new book unexpected finding resilience through functional medicine science and faith is now available for order wherever you purchase books in this book I share my own journey of overcoming life-threatening illness and the tools and tips and tricks and hope and resilience I found along the way this book includes practical advice for things like cancer and Crohn's disease and other autoimmune conditions infections like Lyme or Epstein Bar and mold and biotoxin related illness what I really hope is that as you read this book you find transformational wisdom for health and healing if you want to get your own copy stop by readunexpected.com there you can also collect your free bonuses so grab your copy today and begin your own transformational journey through functional medicine in finding resilience yeah so and also anti-inflammatory that's why women have autoimmune disease disease four or five times as many as men because testosterone is anti-inflammatory for autoimmunity as well yeah and there's a lot of reasons funny that you know again most of these immune illnesses are 75% women and what that's why these illnesses are considered crazy people hysterical people disease you look at the word his what's his women's diseases you look at the word hysteria which is medical word to give you an idea of how doctors think even though half a doctor isn't a woman the institution is male and the word hysteria comes from histero latin which is latin for uterus wow that's crazy it gives you an idea and I also want to add a little funny comment on your blood sugar and adrenals absolutely for several years since my adrenals hadn't been functioning I would always say if I get cranky I'm like a two-year-old either give me a snack or a nap and that's pickled adrenals right write up a little card for your honey yeah if your boyfriend or your lover or whatever and say if I'm irritable don't console me don't try to hug me or claw your eyes out just feed me okay oh no hormones I love that very simple and yet so critical the eye infections so we talked about hypotension part for the path infections the immune system it's varies from case to case but what tends to happen is it goes on overdrive there are parts of the innate immune system inside the cells that will detect if there's evidence of an infection a DNA from the infection and it attacks the DNA this foreign chops it up signals the rest of the immune system and it puts on this major attack it blows through a revelry you know do do do do do do and the immune system starts like going and that works really well for a week or three days or 10 days if you need to but what happens when that can't shut off and the alarm bells are going off months after months after months your immune system goes on overdrive and then it exhausts and as it exhausts you'll find that many other infections like Epstein-Barr which we never totally get rid of the body likes to take a couple of them and put them in jails they're like the shingles or chicken pox virus puts them in jail I suspect is so that it can continue to train the immune system so it doesn't you know get weakened against it over time but these viruses do a jail break when the immune system goes down but you see in long COVID the research showed reactivation of Epstein-Barr virus so number one infection if is Candida or fungal overgrowth I'm not talking about the toxicity I'm talking about direct infection there's no test I would give a nickel for for that there's plenty of tests but you don't need them do you have chronic nasal congestion or sinusitis if it's more severe or do you get irritable bowel syndrome gas bloating diarrhea constipation if I see either of those in somebody with these conditions I will treat for Candida I will give a good probiotic I will give a mix of natural antifungals I will go with the Typhuocann medication 200 milligrams a day for six weeks or longer if needed there's a prescription compound a sinusitis nose spray it takes aggressive but treatment but it really can knock out the Candida the Mopoxan is a secondary thing if that persists in this that's a whole other area of that needs to be treated in some cases too so Candida number one but most of the doctors listening know about the post-lime I do not consider the testing out they're reliable for Lyme disease the standard lab testing everybody's negative even if they have Lord Lyme and the holistic labs I don't I saw two people that negative over 25 years or the entire infection panel so I'm going to treat based on symptoms that was the onset after an infection a viral-like infection I'm going to go with the antivirals fanvir and Celebrox which is an antiviral oddly enough that combination can be very helpful there's different viral infections but again the antibiotics if I suspect Lyme disease if the person has chronic lung congestion if they have scalp sores for some reason that's it seems to reflect an anti-zithromax sensitive or if they come in and say well you know I've been near bed bound for 25 years I dental work once and doctor gave me this antibiotic and it went away for two weeks and I said wow what happened when they kept you on it and they said they wouldn't what well I can't give you long-term antibiotics but if you had said oh I'm a teenager and I have zits here's two years of doxycycline no problem it just boggles the mind so if you got better with the antibiotics you should be on those okay so those overviews and certainly there's parasites and the whole thing but the testing is not reliable in my opinion for the infections I will treat my book will go through if these symptoms treat for viral if these symptoms treat for bacterial infections you know it's not it doesn't have to be hard it's a common sense when you look at it and then see how they respond gosh what a great overview and a lot of the evidence one reason why along COVID is now bringing these things up is because there's a pattern of low cortisol which is that whole HP axis that's chronic fatigue related there's elevated B cells which is more autoimmune inflammation like you said the sentinels in the immune system and then the T cells get exhausted so lately I've been I love when the research is pointing to COVID as an immune deficiency syndrome like right after COVID for six months or so a lot of you are experiencing a severe depletion of the T cells so often it's not just the COVID it's all of these things you just got done saying in your eye of the shine particle that are popping their heads up I think of it like whack-a-mole right where they're just popping themselves up because that immune system is not robust yeah we call it post-COVID or CFS whack-a-mole disease because the problem is like a series of chain reactions it's a cascade effect where that's what makes it so hard for doctors they were used to one system going off when you have cascade failure where the thyroid you trip the circuit your adrenal goes down your thyroid goes down your sleep goes down that triggers pain and the immune activation they say well you have more than four symptoms that don't make sense to me you must be crazy we have to think of every box yes and but once you recognize a thyroid achy brain fog can't sleep it's oh if you have exhausted and can't sleep you've got this process even if you have autoimmune or other diseases that trigger the secondary fibromyalgia and we know that most of time toxin infection are driving those things so it's a big part of it it's a big part of it it's one of the many things that can and the thing is the fun thing is that no matter where you come into this whole process from what they're going from eliminating the toxins eliminating the infections helping the sleep giving the nutritional support you don't have to get rid of all the things you give your body enough it can restore its own balance take care of the rest of the issues on its own and you can get well I love that you say that because whether it's a physician listening or a patient who's suffering when you think about toxic load and all the thousands and thousands of chemicals and infections it can be so overwhelming that you want to just give up and just like you've said it's so critical whether you're a practitioner or a patient to know you don't have to get every last drop out of the toxic load bucket or the infectious load bucket you just have to diminish it enough so that you create margin because once you have margin back the body does what it's supposed to do and you see it go well it can handle your body it's built to handle toxins it's just when that barrel-to-rain barrel effects are running through spills over that's when you get toxic but you give your body the nutrients it needs yes let's talk about all right what's the core things that people need to think about with nutrition so one people ask what nutrients you need and the answer is all of them so but you don't need to take handfuls of pills to get them there's a nice multivitamin called clinical essentials is what I use it's two tablets today really good broad support there's a powder one but it went out of production for a while that'll be back in about six months but the clinical essentials tablets to a day very good multivitamin we published a recent study most ginseng doesn't work anymore because they've been doing the farm ginseng and it just doesn't have the active components but there's one called HRG80 HRG80 red ginseng it's amazing and I gave up on ginseng about 25 years ago when it started losing the potency and somebody but try it there's like man whatever and I could feel I'm pretty energy-sensitive I could feel very quickly in fact before the show if you're wondering how it's how you're gonna energize your money HRG80 red ginseng I take half a chewable tablet get the chewables because sometimes you don't need very much and just half a tablet is what I do the study was one half to two tablets today energy increased 60 to 70 percent down the window considerably there's another supplement what I recommend for people if people say well where do I start start with nutrition and the sleep bubbles for nutrition clinical essentials for the multivitamin that covers most of it and the simple thing the HRG80 red ginseng and then there's something called smart energy system it's a mix of ribos we have two studies that show dramatic improvements in energy the smart energy system we haven't published a study yet we completed a but an increased stamina almost 80 percent on average it's quite dramatic so you do it's a simple one drink two capsules this morning you know a scoop of ribo powder so start with clinical essentials HRG80 red ginseng smart energy system that's one that I make so I'll give disclosure that's the one I make everything else I don't so the the you do those three and most of you will find within six weeks your energies can be skyrocketing and you adjust to what feels best to you so and then increase salt increase water I know you're ready to drink like a fish but you're peeing like a great force the hormone that holds onto water is low as well as the other hormones that one goes down too and cut back sugar and again my book the complete guide to beating sugar addiction from fatigue is fantastic I'll tell you how to get rid of the sugar cravings too but that will make a big difference in the healing chocolate is a health food you can get sugar-free chocolates you know that our lilies the good chocolate there's a bunch of ones that taste good so you'll find that here's a funny thing I want to mention you'll we have this we are the United States was colonized by England which and they sent the Puritans out of the country the criminals they sent to Australia so the interesting people went there and the people who said everything that feels good God will curse you to hell the Puritans they said you're so annoying got on these bargain boats and leave or I'll shoot you you know they said but the earth's flat we're going to fall over the edge and they said boat or die you know so they went on the boats and some of again they found you know Americas you know and they discovered them even though there are a lot of people living here at the time but we like we discovered them out of Hawaii English like to think yes we discovered Hawaii where people don't care but anyway the way we were taught in this country is everything that feels good is bad for you and I have no idea what kind of insane evolution or deity would create it that everything that feels good is bad for you no no no no no no no most things that feel good unless they're processed foods where they're made fuller body it's actually good for you sugar is one thing though that it's okay in small amounts but it comes in addiction but listen to your body what leaves you feeling better not just right after but three four days later overall there's no one diet for everybody see what works the best for you and listen to your body without a turn off the news by the way for your adrenal support the news media when I was your age the mantra and advertising mantra was sex cells you wanted to sell something you had a handsome guy or pretty lady next to the car or the beer and you know let's say advertise now it's fear and divisiveness so they're trying to scare you to death and make you hate everybody else because that keeps you watching also makes it easier to control people turn it off it's a fiction on both sides I don't know why they still quote me the media likes me but it's it's turn it off yeah so stressful well speaking of stress let's just bump into that real quickly because that's such a big thing what are some key things I stress is just ubiquitous and it's only getting worse what are some of the core things that people can do for stress look out the window instead of the TV screen or Facebook or these other places I'm going to repeat myself here as soon as what you're watching leaves you feeling bad there's this itching move itching move great center reach for the remote control and click off yes because most of what we stress about is not real yeah okay we worry we're not going to be able to pay the rent you know I've been there done that was homeless I made it most of you with this these are not going to be homeless and you'll have enough to and resources to get basic needs met but 99% of what we worry about never happens and when the 1% of time it does happen we manage we do it so as soon as you're feeling you're thinking about something that feels bad shift your thoughts to something that feel good two seconds later when you find yourself back on the war again shift your thoughts to something that feel good how to have something like whether it's grandkids or whether it's you know I feel like sports I'm not a geek I'm not a sports whatever it is that you enjoy I have a couple things you can constantly shift your thoughts to that feel good I don't have this mix of energies and just you'll find it's a habit that as you do that whether it's music you know the research shows that listening to music is as effective for pain relief with most medications so anything that distracts you from this worry allows you to heal if you feel bad about something you have a false belief around it I'm going to give you this challenging thing that I found and that if I look at and then see you know my belief was that you know being homeless and having to drop out of my school was about it was tend to be an amazing blessing everything I found in my life has come back in retrospect I mean if you told me when I was homeless sleeping on a park bench that well God is blessing your son I'm going pfft you know you're not going to go right you know out of my face can I create a person but 70 years later this is what I'm finding in my life is that it all turns out to be a gift and you know just keep shifting your thoughts to what to what feel good keep shifting and it starts to disconnect from those things that don't and you're going to find really healing yeah any mission grandkids pets all those things love and gratitude the science show is that shifts our heart and our mind and our bodies into a coherent state so if you have any wonders about what that might be think about what you're grateful for and who you love and those are good places to start the last part of your shine is E give us the the tail end of this here on the E part so here's the thing that we're we're afraid to exercise because people get post exertional malaise and normally if we exercise your body says oh we need to put more energy stores called glycogen in the muscles and build them up so because they're they're using more um and but in this disease it's an energy crisis you can only make so much energy so when you get above that energy budget that you have instead of conditioning you crash and then that's called post exertional malaise you find yourself in bed right yeah so so you know people get afraid to do anything and then they decondition which really makes the pots bad so um you want to do enough to maintain the conditioning even if it's see how many steps a day you can walk or you know a little pedometer or five minutes see what's comfortable and work way up to that and then leave it there after about 10 to 12 weeks on this protocol energy levels will skyrocket then you can start to comfortably increase your exercise more and more um for those of you with severe pots the pots information sheet they're just like say it's just ask me for the if you have fibro automatic or long COVID just say that and I'll automatically send you those including the pots it'll have how you can exercise in a recumbent bicycle where you don't get the standing of pots problem with exercise so you can recondition there's all kinds of things to do with that just start with mild walking and then work your way up see what feels good to you again if you feel good tired after and better the next day yes so when you feel bedridden the next day too much go back yeah no great advice I so often talk to people who are and especially I as a woman in my 40s I remember when Elvis and I realized that my high intensity with my adrenals where they were was not a good idea was actually driving things in the wrong direction and I always joke when I really stopped the classical exercising I got in better shape and better felt better than I did before so there is and this when I was in my 20s it was fine but it wasn't okay in my 40s with my different hormones and adrenals so it really is important to see stage of life how do you feel and there's no one size fits all is what you're saying as well listen to your body see what works for you what feels good and what works ask to create navigation systems the news media and experts not so much right exactly stay away from them so last little bit here I want to make sure that you can tell repeat your email and tell people where they can find you but before we do what one bit of advice would you give to that person out there who's listening to the podcast and they're in bed or they've just been sick and they're maybe feeling a little hopeless or feeling a little discouraged what last bit would you this is treatable our research showed 91% of people improved I don't care if they've been bedroomed for 20 years circuit breaker has been clicked off for 20 years in the house and eight electricians not knowing that there is a circuit breaker coming and say everything's fine the light switches all are okay you know if an electrician who knows about circuit breakers comes into house 20 years later turns that circuit breaker back on the lights all work just fine and everything goes on and my studies it did not matter how long you had the illness in terms of being able to recover you can get well but one message I want to leave you with is if you get well so you can go back to what made you sick in the first place your body will find another way to take you out of the game as you get well you've learned from the illness all these things that you don't have to do you thought you had to do but police haven't arrested you and they haven't been thrown into the streets for not doing them yet let them go when you get better use your energy for things that feel good follow your bliss and your body will support your health oh I love that last bit because I look back at I had cancer 25 and Crohn's at 26 and lots of illness in med school and I was an energetic sensitive person like you and what was happening was I was pushing overriding my body my body was saying Jill this is too much the pace that you're going at the the rigor the lack of sleep all the things we just talked about is too much and guess what I ignored it and so my body is like hello we're going to give you cancer and metaphorically that wasn't a wake up call now I look back and again a gift like your gift on the park bench but I just want to encourage you listening as well if you are struggling with your health usually your body is trying to give you a message and it feels really difficult to listen but there's a beauty in that like you said at your title bomb there's this piece here that's saying let's live in a more simple way let's live in a way that brings us joy and not stress and pressure and often those things are catalysts and later on you can see how they've transformed your life but when you're in the middle of it it's not fun well thank you for thank you for all your work all your decades of work all of how you've taken your own journey and turned it into from fatigue to fantastic literally and how you've transformed the lives of so many and continue to teach we are all so grateful for you for your knowledge for your kindness for your empathy and your wisdom give us your email again in website so that people can find you or reach out to get your resources oh thank you and I'm going to say there's been no sacrifice in what I'm doing this is all labor of love so those of you so many of you have said that well when I get better I'm going to go out and teach everybody and no you get better most of you get out with your life forget you ever had the disease because you're going to get trolls out there you got about it and you weren't really sick and I just just get better get out with your life for those of you who really have a passion like I did go and help for those who want more information if you want to write down my email address it's fatigue F-A-T-I-G-U-E D-O-C like Dr. Fatigue doc at gmail.com and just ask for the fiber information or CFS or long covered whatever if you want the mass selectivation seats you can ask for that too but the let me know if you have the disease or for a practitioner because there's different information geared to both so I can send you either my website for supplements to optimize energy would be the end fatigue.com so E unlike Nancy D fatigue.com everything I mentioned except the smart energy system is available on amazon also the there's another website Vitality101.com there's a energy there's a extra computerized doctor type program I hold the pattern for a computerized physician in the united states that we develop for people with fibromyalgia because not everybody can afford to see a doctor so it's called energyanalysisprogram.com use the charge for it but people all the practice that I'm on Medicaid I'm devastated I can't read this my wife and I just made a feed to everybody it will analyze the symptoms pertinent lab tests and tell you what's draining your energy and how to optimize energy production so what we're doing is this is like a game you know picture this you're you're homeless you have this disease you get better and now you figure let me help everybody else get better and you're in a system that does not support that unless it's an expensive medicine of this the bi researchers have been on an expensive patentable medication I could buy an island in Hawaii and you know all the doctors know about it but if it's cheap the system really let's just say heavily discourages anything that's not patentable and expensive so the game is how do you get the information out of everybody and that's my passion it's my fun so you can get well use your energy to follow your bliss as you do and you know you can be fine and you really can't just find doctors who know how to help and the book and the other things if you can't afford doctor it'll show you it'll tell you how to go through and get well thank you for having handled that yeah thank you thank you for your work thank you for pouring your generosity and wisdom into the world and I know everybody listening today is grateful thanks again for coming on make me bless you're welcome hello guys