 Two minutes. Just two minutes first, that's all we want. People have to go away. Do you think that would be better for the animals? There'd be no animals. I would there be any animals. We can't produce animals for nothing. Why would there not be any animals? Well, because we only produce them for food. Well, there's still going to be ones in sanctuary and other places. People look after them in sanctuary. Oh, a lot better than they are. Better than in a slaughterhouse, right? Yeah, of course they don't. What do you mean? Have you been to a sanctuary, a real sanctuary, where they look after the animals? So, we're going to pay an absolute fortune to look after thousands and thousands of donkeys when there's people absolutely in desperate need, the other side of the world, you're going to spend millions and millions on bloody keeping donkeys alive that live for a thousand fucking years. You look after your animals, yeah? Yeah, of course I do. What about the bolt gun in their head that they get? Are they not looking after them? No, that's the easiest way out. The easiest way out? A lot of poor people in this world would be better off... With a bolt gun in their head? Yes, they would. But that's only because people like you want to... We want to help animals. You want to take away all the resources from where it should be. No, we just want animals not to be killed for no reason. Of course you do. We want animals to be protected. You're on the wrong planet. If you want to be a vegan... You're on the wrong side of history, mate. If you want to be a vegan for moralistic reasons, that's a good decision. You're on the wrong planet. Why? If you come into the sea, it's all one thing, eat another thing, eat another thing. Do you think you need to eat animals to survive? The biggest place that you'll see death on a farm is in the grain tank of a combine. First round, beside the hedgerow, it'll be absolutely alive with small critters. They all die. What do you feed your animals? They all die. What do you feed your animals? Oh, grain. On grass and grain. And how much grain do you think it takes to feed an animal compared to feeding a human? Yeah, but what would happen to all the grain that was substandard if we'd done away with animals? Do you realise how much grain would be unfit for human consumption? All the waste vegetables, all the waste products, they've all got to go through animals. It's all a system. You care about these animals, yeah? Yeah, of course I do. So do you care what happens to them in there? Of course I do. They get chopped up into pieces for no reason? What? For no reason. What? The reason is to feed people. We can eat anything. We can eat grains, beans, nuts, legumes, fruits, vegetables. We don't need to slaughter these animals for no reason. You know they're feeling sentient animals. They're intelligent. And you know more than us. They're not intelligent. You live with them. I know more than you. They're intelligent and not... They're just animals of... They're not intelligent? No. They don't understand. Not a bit. So let's just say a small toddler doesn't understand. Is that okay to put them in a slaughterhouse just because they're not intelligent? You see what I mean? Being cruel to these animals, putting a bolt gun in their head. Not being cruel to them. A knife across the throat. A knife across the... The best thing of all is to look after these animals well and then see them well. Slice their throats. Absolutely. Slice their throats. Absolutely. Come on, mate. The way you... Come on, bro. You know that's not right. Living in a sanctuary, they'll... They'll live a happy life. Waste away. You need to come up now. You know there's a better way, mate. Go vegan. What's the better way? Okay. Woo. You believe in an afterlife. There are lots out of place. You think you're going to heaven for this? There is no heaven. There is no heaven. Oh, really? What part of Muslims that blow themselves up do you think go to heaven? I don't think anyone who kills goes to heaven. I don't think anyone goes to heaven. But the belief that they're going to go to somewhere better is making people absolutely do inhumane things. What's that got to do with this? What you're doing? Nothing. And nothing. So do you think this is justified in any scenario? Absolutely. What if there were people in there? Because it's a signal. Because you're putting your brain inside that of an animal's head. As soon as you do that, you've got nowhere to go. What if there were dogs in there? Dogs are higher up the species than cattle or sheep. Who says you? Yes. Oh, come on. Is that written? I've got dogs. I've got cattle. I know all about it. And cows can be trained just like a dog. They're intelligent. Yes, they can. Turn around. Come on. Do your little spin. Good boy. Good boy. Good boy. Yes, they are. They're not a bit of it. They're more instinctive and less trainable. So if they're less intelligent, that justifies a bolt gun in their head. Nothing justifies a bolt gun in their head. What did he just say? Nothing justifies a bolt gun in their head. Nothing justifies a bolt gun in their head. But it's a system. We live on this planet. And like it or not, we are the higher species. And we have a duty to take care of the planet. This isn't taking care of anything. This is murder. Of course it is. This is murder. Raising cattle is much more eco-friendly than ever-growing crops is. How much food and water these cattle consume? How much food and water? Heaps. Way more than humans do. Who's going to eat all this crap that's in the fields now with all this rain? Hey, hey. There's alternatives. There's alternatives. There's alternatives to this. This is slavery and this is murder. This is a life across the throat. Of course it is. Yeah. But why? What for? When we meet our end, it would probably be better for any of us to meet it like that. You're a good guy. I'm sure you've got a family. You've got grandkids. You show your grandkids what happens in here. Absolutely. Because it's a system. Show them what happens in a waterhouse. Would they want to eat the animal? They wouldn't want to eat the animal if they knew what happened in here, my friend. Think about it. Of course they would. Toddlers. They love the cows. No, no, no. In order to love the cows, in order for there to be cows, you have to have a system. You have to cut their head off? Come on. And the system is, you get them until they're nice, fat, ready to go to slaughter. You slaughter them. You murder them. And that makes room for the young ones to come on. No, no, no, no, no. You've got nothing. No, no, no, no. The world's moving forwards, mate. The world's changing and this is going to have to end. Come on. You're living in a dream world. I just keep what happens every day. Do you believe in... Do you like peregrines? Do you like birds of prey? Oh yeah. You're not a bird of prey. No killers, aren't they? You're not a lion, mate. You're not a bird of prey, aren't you? It's okay. Do you ever feel a bit bad bringing them in here, mate? I do. You get attached to them, mate.