 Okay, hello guys, welcome to today's video first. I want to say thank you so much for your support on my latest Final light up the world tour series video. Thank you so much It was a very strenuous tour and I really appreciate all your support But on to today's video. I had this great conversation with some teenage guys the other day at a cube I just thought I'd upload it because it was really cool how it sort of ended and he come to this really impactful Realization thank you so much again for your support leave your comments down below. What do you think of this video? Sorry for the shaky camera work. It does get better. This was this guy's first day on the camera So he's a little bit shaky, but it's a really good conversation and let us know down below what you think Speak to you all soon and peace So come another screen here So do you know anything about the dairy industry? I know that I don't know much now. Do you consume dairy products yoga chocolate milk? Okay? Do you know the process? Have you ever thought about the process? Why do cows produce milk? For their calves, yeah, so if we're consuming the milk where do the calves go? They die. They get they die or they get killed Yes, so the males don't produce milk stay got a bill Yeah, or they just get killed or raised for beef and then killed the females Get forcibly impregnated have their calves taken away and then they they milk them as well Yeah, and when they stop producing milk, what do they do with those cows? They kill them and they put them in burgers So what do you think about that? You thought about it Right, so it's like I can't afford to go vegan can't afford to okay So you're a guy that eats meat and you can't afford to go vegan. Yeah, but then you said what can I do? That's what I mean. I'm like I'm kind of healthy. Okay, so Veganist do you think being vegan is more expensive? Yeah, personally, but in what way just like if you look at supplements, right? so a lot of protein like Synthetic proteins you think you need to take protein supplements to be vegan. No, but in my diet I like to take a lot of protein in so it's like That's best for me, right? And then also if I'm helping other people as well So do you don't think this is justified to do this to animals so we can have dairy products all the years? Yeah, yeah, it's been happening for a long time. Yeah, I think it's okay Well, I've been vegan for six years. Yeah, I do weights and I get in about 150 grams of protein a day That's cheaper if you shop for the cheaper foods the rice beans potatoes legumes You know the mock meats and stuff can be a bit pricier, but you know soy milk to what's pound for kind of soy milk Do you think because we've been doing something for a long time that justifies to continue doing it or like? So things that are traditional are therefore justified now because we've always done them Like even if it's in a moral thing like animal abuse or cruelty It's a lot Yeah, but it's murder as part of life. Does that mean we should contribute to it? Or if you look at like back in the caveman days before like agriculture. Yeah Yeah Back then What about now I still think it's just like cavemen Decayman's ethics apply now Not necessarily, but we still need to like Say everyone a plant plant-based proteins. Yeah. Yeah Like it's still like a huge market. I'd go out the window and that's good. Do you think that's bad? Yeah, I think because when other when cruel markets, you know ended Yeah, it makes the way for more ethical markets, doesn't it? Of course But there needs to be like a rather than just a big which rather than like a soy process It will be happening. I can see that you think it's gonna be like we're gonna go vegan tomorrow everyone and seven billion people so it's gonna be a process there is like From a research I've done I feel like You might have heard of Joe Rogan podcast I've heard his position on veganism. I don't agree with but it's not personally here But when the they're talking these days So they have like trained professionals right and yeah, so he's talking about I'm one of them was vegan This guy was a vegan for a long time. What happened was his body literally couldn't eat like loads of information And it was something that's an anecdote. Do you know what an anecdote is? An anecdote is someone's personal experience. It's not based on any scientific research So anecdotally like I feel better than I ever have I'm stronger than I've ever been and there's many other anecdotes of Vegan bodybuilders who are strong and athletes who are you know very agile and recover better When you look at the research the science you look at peer-reviewed science and Vegans do better in when it comes to all-course mortality chronic disease cancer diabetes We've got a lot of EMI You can reverse heart disease with a whole foods plant-based diet, so we do site in the scientific realm Let's just say well, you don't you don't respect animals being abused. Do you like couldn't do we agree with that? With that as a form of ethics like a bullet in the head Do you think that's ethical? What's up Do you think a bullet in the head is ethical? Not necessarily bullet Like do you think it's ethical to shoot an animal in the head for just to rip the flesh off of their bones if there's no real Necessity for that but at the moment in time there is a necessity because people still want to eat me You know they want but just because you want to do you feel like that's a need I'm standing right here dude of five six year vegan. Yeah, of course personally. I'm like happy with the I'm happy to try Oh, there's something I want to do try vegan, you know Because it sort of conflicts with your like I wouldn't say anyone here supports animal cruelty like in your moral sort of framework Yeah, I love animal cruelty. Yeah. Yeah, like who says that like only really like have you seen that happen to dairy cows? Look, they tear the the calf out separate babies kill all the animals Mutilate them, you know who really is for that, but when you go into the supermarket you buy dairy. Guess what you're supporting Yeah, would that like who's who's money? funds this Yeah, so so by virtue of your finances, you're supporting something that you're morally against Slavery you made a good point so same as slavery. That was traditional We murdered each other back then in cavemen. Did we murder each other back then as well? We still do but is it justified morally I'm saying cavemen did things that are that were evil. Yeah Yeah, your urges and your pleasure response and your consumption people are just mind-only Mindlessly consuming without knowing the repercussions of it. Oh What I was trying to say to you is you're using caveman right caveman raped and killed each other They did they murdered each other. They did what they had to do to survive. They had no rule They didn't have the same ethical framework we adhere to in this society, you know So like just because cavemen did some things. Do you think that just as our actions now? That goes in my point of If they got if I was going to kill you I wouldn't want to torture you first and if you're going to kill me I'd hope you would extend the same, you know, you wouldn't drag it on for two or three days Thank you very much. Well, you just answered your question like do we need to do this to them I think we had a great conversation You sort of answered it for me there. You don't need to kill me. We don't need to kill cows We don't need to torture them either. We don't need to bullet them in the head But if we had to it would be a different story if you had to kill me Survival situation bro. Like, you know, people do weird things and survive We eat each other in survival situations when planes crash and we do lots of weird things when you have to Just when you're at the supermarket, do you have to grab the dairy or can you grab the almond milk soy milk oat milk? Hi food man. Anyway, it was nice to meet you, bro. Nice to meet you brother here. I'm Billy by the way. Billy. I'm Joey Good to meet you Billy. You're Australian. Yeah, mate. Yeah Challenge 22 and here you go. There's some documentaries watch land of hope and glory. It was filmed in the UK It's all recent and it's all of this watch it through and go is this morally justified for a burger? I don't know Cheers brother You too, mate