 So here the Hong Kong fair here and hi, so who are you? I'm Steve here from IVO We are module maker. We're here with the IVO and right here you're showing your short throw This is a short throw DLP solution. Yes, I'll try to throw DLP solution. So this one is inside here. Yes What is the name of this product? It's called Puppy It's a touch interactive projection If I just say where is essential, how does it know where I'm touching? Actually, it works on this one They've been looking at this The hard note is you're touching it not above the screen So when you, because there's an AI meter here It's down here. Yeah, so there's a flood of my arms And I just want to, I want to use it to... This is my dream device for around 15 years You see something, three or four years ago I saw Sony made a beautiful exterior touch It's a touch, yes Amazing, it's really cool. Right How is it different? They don't use DLP That one was an LPOS solution with a laser light source This is a DLP solution with LED light source So the panel is different, the solution is different and then the light source is different So right now the DLP solution we have doubled the brightness Are you able to have a perfect, what do you call it, the same brightness everywhere And the same focus everywhere? Does that work? Yes, I think we are trying to do that with the special optics So the optics is pretty special, it's a free form and spherical optics So you can see that it's a very interesting reflector inside Which is very difficult to make Is the shape like a strange way? Yes, and you compensate all the distortions All of the distortions? Yeah, all the distortions Because it's like an oval kind of thing, not really, but... So how do you shape the glass like this? Is it glass? This is plastic actually Plastic? How do you do that? So it's a very sophisticated tooling and also coating, reflective coating on the plastic component And so the whole point of doing short throw is that you want the focus to stay good from here to there Exactly, and then you see the distortion, there's no distortion It's just perfect Right, because the touch needs to be aligned with the image So any distortion will cause problems So I always thought the short throw was a piece of cake, but it's not? It's not, definitely There's a reason why short throw is more expensive? Yes, exactly Is it only this lens? Is it only because of that that it's more expensive? The whole lens So the body of the engine could be the same for the long throw But we need to have a special lens So where's the lens? Which part of this is the lens? How big is it? From here to there Oh, this is the lens? Exactly So the light is going through here Exactly And it's reflecting back here Right Through this whole system there So can you explain more? What's the complications of doing a short throw? You need more pieces of lenses, glass and plastic to compensate for all the distortion As I said, the barrel distortion And also to make the image focus in such a short distance is a big challenge The good thing about this kind of device is that it's always going to be the same distance There's no need to focus, right? Right When it's on the table Right When you want to go on the wall, it depends how far you are Yeah, we can also project onto the wall So there's a focusing mechanism ongoing That's very big Yeah How does it focus? Is it autofocus? Yes, autofocus So there's a camera in there? There's a camera And the camera actually reads the image By means of an algorithm to optimize the shots That's very big How many lumens can you do here? This is the maximum for this one It's 250 lumens Roughly That's pretty good, no? Yeah, it's pretty good For this? Pretty decent It's best in class Are you better than the Sony one? Actually, it's brighter You're better than the Sony one Yeah, better than the Sony one So I think this device is so awesome How much is custom work? Do people only buy this in China? Oh, sorry They are selling in China at about $1,000 With a month? $1,000 or less About maybe $900 Okay And they are trying to Have the product available also in North America It's like running a full Android On the ARM chips and everything Yes, yes And also with the AI speaker feature So we can talk to the device And its name is Buddy So This is just one We just covered one amazing short throw solution Which is doing a whole bunch of stuff here This is your company, this is what you do? Yes, this is all the modules From small one to the big guys Or different brightness, resolutions Different applications The small one goes in your Can you show your phone? Oh, yeah I have the projector mod The Motorola phone There's one of those mods, not this one But there's another one where you have your projector Inside the mod Right, right I have that one, it's amazing That's The same mod FWVGA This is a YVGA YVGA And how many lumens? This is 50 lumens For this size it's quite decent It's amazing to put it in this size This is a size that basically is a smartphone size kind of thing 7mm 7mm thickness So, my dream is Which one is the short throw, this one? Yes, yes So can you grab this? Can you put your phone back in the bucket? Yeah, so My dream is To see a short throw Closer to this size Are you working on that? Yeah, we are working on that A smaller version of this How to short throw modules How small are you going to get? Maybe one third of the size of this one And then make modules For the phone You really think, let's say I have a standard 6 inch phone, right? Right Is there any chance you can do some short throw That can go in the device that's similar to this size? Yeah, I think that We can do something like this And then make it Ultra short throw and project it under the table And make it interactive So what I want to see is My dream device for the last 15 years I want to see a phone that has Kind of like a kickstand down here And when you prep it up like this This distance to the table Is enough to make like a How many inch? 15 inch, would be good 15 inch, so you can have Potentially a phone doing A nice part of this screen So that size Yeah, and then it's bright enough For practical use Only white tables or every table Do you think? Every table, but white is the best It also works on some grey Or a greenish table But not too dark, I mean And what would be cool is You could just prop your phone like this Like you put it there And it would also project on the wall So you just Instead of those Those picot projectors I've seen before They put them on this side And they project from the phone this way But that's not being a killer app It's not as good It would be nicer to have a short throw Exactly Then you don't need a big distance For this size of the screen How many lumens are you dreaming to do In this size? We are targeting 150 lumens That's very bright Yes, very bright Because the motorized, how bright? That one was 50 lumens I watched Trump winning The election on your project Oh really? That was how I was watching it So he needed to buy one I was watching all night And that was my TV Okay Because it's perfect to have one in the pocket Every Airbnb, every hotel room Always have a projector Yes, so we will get you a better TV Before Trump loses the next election I want to watch the Trump impeachment On the short throw So what are we looking at here? This is a very new development Called the old man reality In the direction of people's projections Can I come in here? Let me try this from there So there's a mirror And it's projecting into the mirror And please shoot the image The airplane There's an airplane up in the corner Is it projecting just darkness around the airplane? It looks like it's only the airplane Yes As soon as we projected the object The object is free to be displayed All over the area On different surfaces But what is the solution here? Is it a DLP? Yes, it's a DLP But normally when you project There's like a whole screen around it I don't see the screen So that's the magic So we have a lot of image processing And also a module with a special lens To enable all these But how do you hide the light? That's content We make content like an object And we darken the background I spoke with the display expert He told me that the problem with DLP Is the black levels The contrast But we are very good at enhancing the contrast ratio By making the dark screen darker How? I think it's a lot of optics that can help But does this have anything to do with that? Because there it looked like around the airplane I didn't see anything Yes, you see Now there's a pool on the floor It would be cool to have like five or six in those In your flat Exactly, exactly And then wherever you are in the flat Boom on the walls There will be notifications just for you Exactly, we will make the multiple units To work together Now it's telling you the time Oh, sorry So you hold So the weather today It's cool Is there a chance it will be affordable? I want all these projectors Sure, sure We chose the most cost-effective module To enable this technology What is it, the 720p? No, it's only YBJ And a Mona Lisa So that's a perfect distance To have a sharp projection right there Cool Here we see another short throw Is this the same module you showed in here? That's a bigger module It's a 1080p module Do you show it here? Yeah, the module is here Much bigger This 1080p LED A 1000 lumen engine LED is just a dream partnership with DLP LED is really good You see how beautiful the engine is The lens is big but the engine The body is so slim and beautiful How much for one? I'm joking Is it affordable? Yeah, cheaper than laser I think that projectors are like 1000 US or less Nice, and this is a full HD For less than 1000 you get a nice... I have a... My TV is 120 inch DLP at home Full HD Okay It's a great experience to have DLP TVs at home So you can have 120 right there? Yeah, sure And the biggest part of the cost is this solution The DLP chip The DLP chip is here Behind the heatsink Behind the heatsink Those are the LEDs So you connect the LEDs there? So the optics is very sweet forward Very beautiful, the optical path Very simple Where is your company based? We're based in Shenzhen, China Are you the leader? Who's the leader in doing this stuff? I think we're the earliest player In this area I think we lead the technology We have many different applications The pressure throw, the near eye And the head up display for automotive Do you show the near eye? The near eye is not a run The near eye module It's not a run, sorry So you have near eye, you also have this This was my favorite device at CS 2016 I think From a robot With a back projection How do you speak to it? What's the word? The name is Rocky Hello Okay That's like the coolest smart speaker I've ever seen And it was already two, three, four years ago So you've been on cutting edge of many different things here What are you talking about in this video? I think it's maybe the model mod I think it's a... You're the CTO? Before, in my previous company Now you're the CEO? Yeah, exactly So does that mean you started all this? Yeah, I started all this 12 years ago It's been quite a long time Hardware is not easy 12 years ago in Shenzhen? Starting in Hong Kong and then we moved to Shenzhen Let's look at some more stuff So the quality of these are just super high What is this little cat? This is Teemo from China Alibaba, the company Alibaba, the internet company They're also making a lot of product like this So you provide a very high quality, bright image Engine for them to make the product And this one? This one is Xiaomi So this is Xiaomi Odeon product So Xiaomi have our engine To make this product Nice And here we have a small one What is the name of these? I don't know Maybe other Odeons And you have some This is for commercial applications This one? This is a commercial projector No fan And a very robust waterproof And the other one which is Helping to introduce our product Nice In this show So basically the whole DLP industry is your customer? Or many? Many, yes My experience, I did some videos with Jim Go X, Jimmy They're not doing good business, right? A lot of people buy this projector Especially in China We supply modules also to them So If you look here just a little bit more Can you show one or two other cool ones here? So we have those Engines for the 1080p About 1,000 lumens With motorized focus So that's good for autofocus? Yes How good is autofocus? Is it always perfectly sharp? Yes, before people used the camera To do the autofocus Now people try to start to use TOF Time of flight Which is quicker And more efficient Time of flight is a little sensor That does that? Yeah, they have a different sensor Different approach And it's exact To the centimeter And there's no need to capture the image For focusing So it actually measures the distance Is it more precise than doing by hand? So people want to have autofocus With my hand, yes Is better than your hand? Some of the other people They do like autofocus Which is more convenient But for me, I'm very experienced Nice Let's check one or two other ones here This is an automotive grade Module for before market Head up display application So it's all metal And all glass for robustness And with the TI automotive grade DMT, DLP Cool I did so many videos about DLP But I still don't understand How does it work? Oh, I think this is a micro-mirror But this is a CMOS process There's like millions of small mirrors? Yeah, exactly So with a lot of coatings Multiple layers of coatings And so the process The manufacturing process is so sophisticated And dedicated The fab must be amazing Exactly You probably visit? Exactly I didn't visit But about 20 years ago I heard that you was very low So even a single digit But now I heard they make it very high High u-ray and very efficient There's a reason why DLP is better Than a cheap LCD projector, right? Of course What's the difference? I think that's efficiency-wise DLP is easily multiple times Of other technologies Efficiency So that means better colors That means with the same power You'll get more brightness More brightness And what do you think about the potential of micro-LED? Are you investigating? Are you working with that? Or are you just exclusive DLP? Micro-LED is not really for projection But for the near-eye micro-LED It can be a very good content You can't just put a lens in front of the micro-LED And it becomes a projector? So the brightness is not enough But it's good for near-eye applications Alright Cool And how about 4K? Where's your 4K module? Do you have it? HD We have it Over here Is it 4K? Sure Small project So how do you make 4K work? 4K is like with a DLP You need a kind of optical component To enable the 4K So what special optics is required for 4K? Actually it's an oscillator And the DMDM chips with a special oscillator The resolution improves Is that part of the optics? Part of the whole system The chips and the optics and the whole system Because when I did the videos with TI about the 4K It sounded so impressive that they could save cost By oscillating Yes, exactly And that's impossible to see the difference Compared to native 4K and oscillating 4K The eyes will find the resolution much better After the oscillation But how is it compared to a native 4K? There's a certain difference What is the difference? Secret? Or is it public? There's a certain difference But it's a lot of image processing Some magic like The eyes get used to Without the AB comparison Next to each other People will find the oscillated 4K Much better than the 2K What is the AB comparison? That means you have to compare it to a huge native 4K chip And that's difficult to compare That costs 10 times more It's going to be a different lighting engine Everything different So it's not Apple to Apple So it's very hard to compare Exactly The oscillation happens much faster than 60 frames per second Thousands of times or millions I think it's like 4 times plus 360 Hz So it's maybe a thousand Hz A thousand times So it's impossible to see the oscillation Somehow What else can you say about this? Is this one of the latest 4K solutions? Yes, this is one of those What role is this? Regular role So one thing I'm kind of hoping for Is to see some 4K projectors DLP less than $500 Is this going to happen? We need to work hard on that So is it your part you need to work on? Or is it DLP? I think the DLP also To enable the 4K There are certain oscillation parts And the driving parts are a little bit more complicated So that adds up the cost So it is expensive for now? Yeah, exactly So that's why people like to have more brightness From a 4K But in the last two or three years Would you say the coolest developments Of course 4K is amazing But also some great new 1080p solutions More compact, more bright Exactly And you use all this? Yeah, so now this year We start to mass produce a lot More compact 1080p solutions Which one is the smallest 1080p you have? It would be something like this This is a full HD Can be this size? Yes, can be this size So that means we can have amazing full HD For what, less than $300-400? Yeah, exactly I think that's doable Like something that looks small like this? Yeah, suits More like this one And with a decent brightness And maybe $300 So you would say that of course everybody must have it? Of course That's a billions of people Yeah, the market is... Let's make a projection anywhere That's my dream It's a no-brainer, right? And one last question One thing I'm wondering Because of CES and every year CES do the video with DLP Do you think they will have 8K at CES? They are working on that But I think there's still one or two years to go You just oscillate some more? Yeah Is it more than that? People are thinking of different approaches But oscillation... Right now they oscillate four times, right? Right Why not oscillate 16? Right Is it not that easy? I think this is a matter of computation power It's just a different chip Yeah It's a piece of cake, I'm joking But this is just a different chip, right? Yeah, over the time I think it's definitely achievable Because maybe the way that 8K will happen is... I'm not saying... Of course I dream to have 8K in this size But... 8K... Like here 8K right here Right That's not bad One to two, three years max Yeah, I think two or three years To talk to TI with their help And we make some decent optics To go with that Otherwise maybe you need to just have four and merge them That's not as good Because 8K needs more than 100 inch You need 120, right? That's the best way to get 8K You need to have bigger image Right, and brighter image Oh sorry, I need to ask one more thing How about the black levels? What's the best black levels in the industry of DLP? Are you making the best? I think the dark level is like a trade off Between the brightness So we can sacrifice a little bit of the brightness To get a better contrast ratio Or the black level Cool, thanks a lot No problem