 Boom, that goes the dynamite. That's what we say here. I'm going to tag these main stories. Oh, yeah. Sorry, man. I totally forgot to do that. Adam, you got it. I did order them with an eye towards which of us would read. I do try not to give you too many megabytes per second usually. Thank you. And I've genetically spelled out this Russian communications regulator. I did that for me on Daily Tech headlines. But yeah, it doesn't hurt, doesn't hurt. I didn't go back and put it in Cyrillic just to throw you off. Yeah, and it's not that I don't believe that you're up to the task. It's just those those CPU nanometer FinFET words are tough. No, no, no, no, no, no. Number one, I am not up to the task. Oh, there's there's there's a certain amount of know your teammate there. Sure. You know, you do fine, you do fine. All right, I think we're ready. Are you ready? Well, I'm ready. Here we go. This show is brought to you by audience members like me, not outside organizations. To find out more, go to daily tech news show dot com slash support. This is the Daily Tech News for Thursday. I'm sorry, it's November 17th, 2016. I'm Tom Merritt joining me today. Mr. Justin Robert Young, my co-host on Thursdays. How are you, sir? Oh, Tom, you know, we are we continue to move forward into uncharted waters and the tech stories they continue to churn. Yes, they do. In fact, churning right up until just before the show, you guys who follow our little color commentary on the technology world know that a lot of times they'll throw in a few nuggets of news right before we get to the top stories, things that maybe don't necessarily need a huge wider notification. But but happened since the Daily Tech headlines was published in the morning or just of general interest. Got four of those today is a lot of that stuff. AOL is going to lay off five percent of its staff Thursday. Approximately 500 employees, mostly from corporate units as it shifted its resources to mobile video and data offerings. One sentence hot take. How big is 500 for AOL? Like certainly any kind of reorganization is is going to happen. You got to wonder starting tomorrow, the Amazon Echo can send text messages to a list of 10 contacts that you have to put into the skill, as Echo calls them, but only for AT&T customers. Get ready, get ready, Tom, because you're going to be getting a lot of texts from me. Alexandra, send a text message to Justin, Robert Young. Yeah, I can't use this. I have T-Mobile, so I will I will get them on my phone. And they'll have to tell me you did it by the Amazon. Here's the one that happened just right now. And thanks to the chat room for telling us about this. Was it who let me see if I can scroll back here and find out who that was that told me it was another Jay Martin. Tesla shareholders have approved the acquisition of Solar City, excluding the votes of Elon Musk and other affiliated shareholders who recused themselves because they own both companies. More than 85% of Tesla shareholders voted were cast in favor of the acquisition. I should say shares, 85% of shares voted. Solar City shareholders also approved the acquisition and that means it'll be completed in the coming days. Obviously, Tesla has a gigantic eye toward how they can use those gigantic batteries that they are producing with their Gigafactory. Solar is a big part of that. It's a natural merge point, just like another Elon Musk company, which we'll talk about a little later in the show. And finally, this is just the pre top stories. SP Sheridan on our subreddit sources tell Nikkei Asian review that Apple has asked Foxconn to study what it would cost to move some iPhone production to the United States. Apple also supposedly asked Pegatron to do the same, but that company declined due to cost concerns. They're like, the answer is too much. We're not even going to bother looking at it. Remember, it was only a few years ago that Apple began making the max in Austin, Texas. They have they have flirted with the idea of domestic production. As always, Apple will do what makes the most fiscal sense for Apple. Yeah, I think if this ends up being true, that what Apple would be doing is saying, we know somebody's going to be asking us about this real soon. So we want to have an answer about, well, if we did that, this is how much it would cost. All right, like like Justin alluded, we're going to talk about SpaceX's announcement of satellite based internet. We'll talk a little bit about one web's plans, which are moving along as well. But let's get into the actual top stories. Qualcomm announced Samsung will build its Snapdragon 835 CPU using its 10 nanometer FinFET process. The 835 will have 27 percent better performance over the 821. Draw 40 percent less power. Also comes with quick charge for supporting 20 percent faster charging. And Qualcomm says it's compatible with Google's guidelines for USB C charging. There was some worry about that sort of thing. Samsung says this will make it the first company to build 10 nanometer chips. Qualcomm expects the first devices with the Snapdragon 835 to arrive in the first half of 2017. You know, I never know what to say with these kind of like chip announcements, right, because there's just like, yes, it's exciting that we are moving forward on the raw power and especially the power consumption. I don't know exactly how much faster charging holds as a headline in the wake of the Galaxy Note 7 kind of stuff. But, you know, you never know, because you never know what phone it's going to go in. Sure. And there are misconceptions to be cleared up, especially in terms of the note. This is Samsung's chip maker. Doesn't have anything to do with the battery people. OK, plenty, plenty of phones out there are using fast charging and don't catch fire. So I would, you know, I would caution people not to assume that just because the word Samsung and fast charging were involved here, we don't even know fast charging was the cause of the Note 7 issues. This Samsung hasn't come out and said what those issues were. So I don't think this is going to lead to more exploding phones. You can note this November 17th, the 1 34 PM Pacific, Tom said that in case that ends up not being true. But the things you usually have to pull out of this are, well, it's going to be faster phones that can do more and have better battery life. And the 10 nanometer thing is a big advance for more power efficient chips. Intel will, of course, soon be following with their own chips on the 10 nanometer process. It brings us closer and closer to that limit to Moore's law. And there was there was some fear that Qualcomm would not get approval from Google to get certified to use the USBC charging. But it looks like they will. Russia's communication regulator, Roscom Nazor, Nadzor, Roscom Nadzor, Roscom Nazor, ordered public access to LinkedIn be blocked Thursday in compliance with a court ruling. LinkedIn was found to violate Russian law requiring data on Russians to be stored on Russian servers. Rostokom says it has already blocked the site MTS and Vimplecom says they will comply within 24 hours. LinkedIn requested a meeting to discuss the issue. And Roscom Nadzor is waiting for approval from the foreign ministry to do so. In lieu of that LinkedIn has just decided to send 50 emails asking exactly the nature of their relationship. Yes. Would you like to? Would you like to endorse us? Yeah. Maybe that's the problem. Maybe they didn't endorse Roscom Nadzor's chief. Yes. That's it. Now, in all seriousness, this is this is Russia testing the waters of, you know, can we get these companies to bring their data over to Russian servers? We'll start with LinkedIn. We're not going to go right after Facebook. But we're going to we're going to this is a shot across everybody else's bow. We're not kidding. We're going to block LinkedIn. And then LinkedIn will be the canary in the coal mine for everybody else to figure out, well, how do you negotiate this? Should they come for you? And once LinkedIn has figured this out one way or another, then I imagine we'll see Facebook, Google, etc. Respond. Now, the question here would be Russian servers equal Russian control, which means Russian authorities can get into said service, right? Like that's the theory by a lot of people. Sure. Russia says no, no, no, that's not why we want it unless there is a perfectly good terrorist reason. Russia says this is so you don't get surveilled by people outside the country. Russia is going to say it's the West that does all the spying and we want to make sure our citizens aren't on some NSA surveilled server. Man, I saw the Americans, I'm on to you guys. Speaking of spying, both houses of parliament have passed the UK investigatory powers bill and submitted it for royal ascent. Among other things, the bill allows police and intelligence agencies to obtain a warrant to access computers, networks, mobile devices, servers, and copy that data over a warrant for bulk data collection can also be obtained for those not living in the UK. The investigatory powers commissioner and judicial commissioners will be appointed by the prime minister to oversee the process and internet connection records, mostly metadata, must be stored on all customers for 12 months. Tom, obviously right now we are in a very, very interesting place when it comes to regulation and secrecy, you know, that if there was ever going to be a time in this country where the political elite learned that end to end encryption and cyber security were a very, very, very important issue, it would be one in which hacked emails played a very large part in who we decided was our next president. Where do you think this leads us in general? Well, I mean, this is a G8 nation passing, you know, these kinds of regulations. What is the temperature in general for this kind of, you know, a snooping in secrecy kind of stuff? Well, the feeling I get reading a lot of the UK sites is Theresa May started this as home secretary and of course she wants to barring it home as the prime minister and no one is very excited about it in the UK, except for people in the intelligence services who want to have this tool at their disposal. It is if you want to put it right next down to the the FISA courts of the United States, it's more limited. You have to get warrants. You can't just get special orders and there is a commissioner overseeing it. It's got a I mean, I hate to use the word transparency because people who are against this are going to say there's no transparency here, but it has a slight bit more transparency than what happens with the NSA in the United States. That said, it is an extension of the state's surveillance power in the United Kingdom. Bloomberg sources says Apple plans to cut the amount it charges companies to sell video services through the app store from 30 percent to 15 percent. The apps must integrate with Apple TV's new TV app. PlayStation View came to Apple TV today, though it does not let subscribers purchase plans through the Apple app, nor does it integrate with Apple's TV app. This seems to be a bit of a capitulation. We talked right after the event that, you know, the Apple TV is going to be just a sideline device. Any device like this will be a sideline device until you marry all of the available services in some kind of easy to navigate menu. This seems like the one of the big sticking points for Apple, which is you got to pay the troll toll to get in. If you want to sell your service on our platform, this seems to be a bit of an ebbing on that. Yeah, although PlayStation View not playing and maybe that maybe that offer isn't good yet, but PlayStation View coming to Apple TV is a huge deal. It'll integrate with Siri now and things like that in some ways, but it doesn't come to the TV app because they don't want to give Apple anything. And it'll be interesting to see if if this Bloomberg story proves out and Apple says, yeah, OK, we're going to give you a 15 percent versus a 30 percent charge. If you play with our TV app, whether PlayStation will take part in that, whether Sling will take part on that. I do not expect this to mollify Amazon in any sense. Amazon just wants to negotiate its own deal. Apple's position has always been we don't negotiate deals with individuals. We just make rules and everybody plays by the same rules. That's why it's always been 30 percent in the App Store. We don't care if you're a book or this or that. Over the years, they've created new rules to say, oh, well, if you're going to be a subscription service after the first year, we'll drop it to 15 percent. So it's not unprecedented for them to say, OK, if you're going to make an Apple TV app, we'll drop it to 15 percent right away, as long as you integrate with the TV app, because we want to encourage people to do that. But again, they're not going to they're not going to negotiate individual deals with each of these services. Well, and and that's you hit on it. Because when we when we saw the demo for the new TV app, the question was there are two gigantic glaring holes because listen, the streaming live TV industry in a year, two years, that might be something that's busier and more important to consumers than it is right now. Right now, it is fairly, although maturing, a cord cutter curiosity. Amazon is not Netflix is certainly not. And those were not on that launch partner list. The question is, what does Apple have to do to get them into the tent? And to what extent does their success there navigate the entire success for the Apple TV box? Yeah. And, you know, some video partners have already been paying 15 percent of monthly subscription fees to Apple. So there was a little bit of fudging where they said, all right, we'll try this with a few people, see how it works. And obviously it worked well enough that it sounds like they might offer it to everybody. But they still don't want to negotiate new deals, separate deals. That's why you see if you sign up for YouTube Red. I mean, Google just said, fine, we're going to make our price 15 percent more in the Apple Store. So if you sign up for YouTube Red off Apple TV, it's 999 a month. If you sign up on Apple TV, it's 1299 a month. They're just passing along the cost to you. The consumer. Yeah. University of Nebraska engineers, Christopher Tuan and Lim Nguyen have created a concrete mix that shields against intense pulses of electromagnetic energy. You probably hear him called EMPs, right? Electromagnetic pulses. The pair were working on a self-warming concrete, one that could conduct electricity and that would let you melt ice and snow off roads. And they discovered that the materials they were working with could block electromagnetic energy, too. Their concrete adds magnetite. That's the key ingredient, as well as more carbon and metal elements than traditional concrete. They say the mix will be cheaper and easier to deploy than metal cages and a prototype that was conducted or constructed by the American Business Continuity Group in license with the University of Nebraska exceeded military shielding requirements. They did that down in Florida. University of Nebraska, Lincoln has licensed the technology for American Business Continuity Group to make its spray on shot Crete using the material, which would allow you to retrofit older buildings. This is exceptionally cool. Yeah, right. Spray on EMP protection. Which again, you know, this is something that as we move into a more and more digital world, you know, these kinds of things are going to become more and more important. What I was immediately drawn to, though, was the idea that they discovered this while researching the self-warming concrete. And like that to me seems like just as much, if not more of a breakthrough for the average consumer than this is. I mean, this is great on a tech news level, but who among us that is living in some of the snowfall areas of our country or around the world would not be thrilled to maybe have just a little less snow there by the time the plow comes around. Yeah, a little less salt, a little less snow. I don't know if they're continuing. The article from Nebraska did not say whether they are continuing on the road. Come on, Chris and Lim. We love we love the spray on Faraday Crete, Faraday Crete, Faracrete. I don't know what to call it. But yeah, we think that the University of Nebraska better give you some nice funded appointments to make up for the fact that they're going to bring in all this licensing money to the university. Yeah, but I mean, I OK, there's the obvious like, oh, if you've got a spy situation or or or something like that, I don't know how many people do Faraday Cages. How big is this business? That's an interesting question. Well, you know where I have actually heard that there is kind of a cottage industry for Faraday Cages is the the keys for cars, because you can clone them fairly easily to for in the in the contact list, like the no key, you just like push to start that there are there is this whole cottage industry for people to put their keys in Faraday Cages so they're hard to clone. So a little concrete block, though, that doesn't sound terribly poor. No, it's a little it's a little I don't know. Who knows? Well, I'm just saying, like, I don't know that this this concrete situation is better than that. Because yeah, I mean, there's the shielded wallets for keeping RFID scanners out of your passport and stuff like that. I mean, but the idea on a concrete wall, if you make this cheaper, anything that makes this cheaper is is better, right? And you're right, the larger the larger application here is for government and and big business where they want to keep everything, you know, outside of the range of theaters. Yeah, actually, these days, though, people want to be able to use their phone in the theater before the show. They just don't want it. They don't want everybody else's phone going off once the movie starts. So I don't know how popular a theater would be if you were like, hey, once you walk into that theater, can't use your phone at all. I mean, I don't know. You make a little text lounge outside, right? You know, it's out there. Everybody will have a good time. Or or or well, no, I was about to say you put antennas inside the Faraday theater that are hardwired. That's just way too complicated. Oh, and then you turn it off. You just, yeah, you turn it off once everybody's everybody's phone goes from because because you're inside the Faraday concrete. Yeah. Oh, now I'm into it. Oh, man, fully manage like a connectivity. And they're like, oh, yeah, no, you can stream HD off your phone right up until, you know, Dr. Strange. Yeah. Once the trailers start, though. Yeah, then you're done. I'll tell you what. Hey, Alamo Draft House, look it up on me. Facebook has acquired a faceo metrics, which specializes in using machine learning for real time facial analysis on smartphones. The company aims to bring quote fun effects to photos and videos. It can also measure audience reactions, which could be useful in advertising, which is how they pitched Facebook when Facebook looked to acquire them. Fun effects on your bottom line with audience measurement. Exactly. Well, wouldn't. So it would really only be able to measure your facial, like how you would react to ads. If it had access to your camera and could turn it on while you're watching the ad while you're watching the ads. Yes. Now that seems. That seems like the kind of thing Facebook circa 2010 got in trouble for doing a lot. Yeah. It seems mighty beacon of them, right? That is just like, you know, I feel like Facebook has definitely burned their hand on that stove a few times, as as Google. But listen, both these companies are in the in the business of selling you advertising and they will push as hard as they can to see where that public pressure line to make sure that people who want to sell you things have the cushy experience they can. And they're definitely going to bundle this in with masquerade and add it to messenger so that they have cooler filters and effects than Snapchat is, which honestly is probably the main reason they acquired it. But those audience measurement effects is an interesting side note there. Thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit, you can submit stories and vote on them at daily technewshow.reddit.com. Thank you for doing so. All right, SpaceX filed documents with the USFCC this week asking for permission to deploy 4,425 satellites to create a global high speed internet network. The plan calls for an initial deployment of 800 satellites, which would then be increased over several years. There is also a project called one web announced by Greg Weiler, former Google employee back in January 2015. That project is backed by Qualcomm, Airbus, Virgin and Boeing, among others. Its system is on track to get satellites in orbit by 2020. So it was it the race is on, Justin, for global satellite delivered internet, both of these systems want to deploy around 750 miles up so higher than the International Space Station, but lower than the 22,000 miles that usual communication satellites go to. And that allows them to deliver better service. In fact, Musk says it's it's faster than fiber on the ground because the light just goes through the vacuum of space, the first part of the journey down, but it's going to be better than what you might have had experienced from direct TV or Hughes in the past because those satellites are so much farther up. So when we think about the promise of SpaceX, like what their model is, it is the idea that especially via reusable rockets, that we can knock down the price per pound of what it takes to get things up into space. This is where I think we are at a fascinating tipping point and why so many people need to be paying more attention to SpaceX, no matter what your personal thoughts are on the idea of private versus public space travel, right? You know, I know that that's a hot button issue for a lot of people try to put that aside for just two seconds and understand that we have again in our lives right now, like direct TV, like Sirius XM have had the idea of beaming our entertainment in on a national, if not global scale from satellite technology, this is taking that to a totally new extent and could really revolutionize and change the game depending on what speeds they can actually offer in a world that I mean the last time I was on here, we were talking about how annoying and how time consuming and how much of an oligopoly internet is right now and it is so segmented in these bizarre little fiefdoms. The idea that SpaceX could take a lead in this is just amazing in my mind. I mean, I think this is a 10 out of 10 in terms of how excited you should be for it for both of these projects. Yeah, so one web isn't getting as much attention. They're scheduled to launch on Soyuz rockets in late 2017. They have 10 satellites being built by Airbus in France and then they have a full scale production facility being developed in Exploration Park, Florida. They are planning it a little differently. They are going to put up now it's the number keeps rising, but now about 890 satellites, but they would have a network of base stations that those satellites would communicate with so you would have to either acquire a base station or more likely your local telecom would acquire several base stations that they would communicate with the satellite with and then pass along that fast internet through a 5G 4G connection or maybe Wi-Fi in certain locations. There's a little less detail on SpaceX except for Musk saying the speed of light is 40 percent faster in the vacuum of space than it is for fiber and it doesn't seem like they're necessarily talking a lot about a system of base stations, but I haven't found a lot about how they plan to do the upload, which is always the issue with satellites. Maybe because it's only 750 miles, it's actually between 714 and 823 miles up. They think that they can deal with upload speeds that way. I don't know the satellites from SpaceX are certainly bigger. 386 kilograms, that's about 850 pounds versus the 285 pounds of the ones from OneWeb. What I love about this is you've got competition already, you've already got more competition in satellite internet than we do in most cities of the United States. Which again, whenever you introduce any kind of competition to the highly protective markets of ISPs, you see everybody scramble. I mean, it's almost been the only constant in that industry that as soon as you see somebody push the boundaries on speed, every calcitrant, you know, calcified competitor will almost immediately redraw their entire battle plan to keep up with the Joneses. I am thrilled to see, just to see how more details on this as it continues to go forward because I would suspect that we see a reaction from the Comcast and the Time Warner's and the AT&T's of the world before these things even become a reality to try to adjust to the idea that cheaper internet could come from above. Well, Verizon just acquired the fiber network from XO and the point of doing that is to provide its 5G service with Backhaul. So we know Verizon wants to get into high speed internet. It would be interesting to see if other companies would want to partner up with OneWeb and say, hey, yeah, we want to be the people who sell the consumers your service down from the base stations. It could, I could see maybe a sprint or somebody jumping onto that. So you're going to get more legitimate home service wireless, not just from satellite internet should this all work out, but from 5G service as well. I mean, that's what Verizon's planning there. They want to give you TV and internet wireless to your home, not as a mobile service, but as your home service. Google is looking at using microwave as backhaul to do the same things, especially for apartment complexes. So SpaceX is another name in this. It's a flashy name. It's a flashy name. They own rockets that they can put the satellites up with, which gives them a bit of an advantage there. But it's it's a consortium on the one website. And in fact, Richard Branson a couple of years ago was even saying, SpaceX is going to come to us because we have the spectrum. Well, today's FCC filing is basically SpaceX saying, Hey, we want permission to use, you know, to use these things in the spectrum. And they need approval, not only from the FCC, but from the International Telecommunications Union as well. That ITU filing is coming from the United States and Norway on behalf of SpaceX. And here's the other exciting element is that who knows exactly how much SpaceX is projecting this to be a part of their bottom line going forward. What I almost suspect that this is more a move for SpaceX is to demonstrate, Hey, look what you can do cheaper than you could ever do it before. If we can throw up internet, you know, worldwide internet as a sideline, like entrepreneurs, congratulations, the price just came down for any of your satellite based ideas. I think this is them hanging their shingle out and saying, Hey, you think that you want to compete? Come on, we'll sell you the rocket space. Yeah. And there's all kinds of ways SpaceX could go with this. They could hook up with their sister company, Tesla Solar City, Solar Tesla City and sell internet to the cars. Yeah. Say, OK, here's your connectivity for all the Tesla cars done. You've got connectivity anywhere in the world now because we've got 4,000 satellites in orbit. You could also make the Solar City installations a Hey, you know what? Put this device on your roof and you get the satellite internet right down into your home. That might be the way of going about it as well. Do you do you think that this changes the industry or is this just another one of those, you know, like fancy rad things that nerds like you and me like to geek out about that that might not hang out right now? It's that second one, right? It's very much that second one because nobody has built a satellite. Nobody has put it on a rocket. Nobody has put it in space. By the end of 2017, we'll see if one web meets its deadlines. By the way, one web keeps mis-extending its deadlines, keeps changing its numbers. So I wouldn't be surprised if that doesn't push till 2018. By the end of 2018, we should definitely know if SpaceX is making good progress. Hopefully one web has started launching its pilots and then this could turn in to something legitimate. Right now, still a lot of things can go wrong with it. What I think excites a lot of people about when you tag SpaceX's name to something is that they've got a habit of delivering sometimes a little late and sometimes a little messy. But so far, the big promises that they've made, they have delivered on and they just keep making larger and larger and larger promises, including now worldwide internet and a international train line to Mars. Yeah, stellar train line to Mars. Some day, some day. All right, let's let's get to our messages of the day. We have several of them here. Let's start with Satya S, not N. So we know it's not the CEO of Microsoft. Yeah, run a while. But it's still Satya Mania for this Satya. He says I am a normal computer user and I feel like I do not have the need for big external drives anymore. We were going crazy over that five terabyte nice and slim Seagate drive yesterday. Satya says the last one I bought was about five years ago. I use those for cold storage. I'm able to back up all my documents, pictures, videos to various cloud storage services and 256 gigabyte hard drive on my computer is more than sufficient. Also, I get my music from streaming services and there is no need to store them anymore. I think from now on, the big external drives will be used only by creative types and people who archive all their movies for some reason. Well, I just want to say people like Bill Burlingame in Huntsville, Alabama, several other people wrote in and said, yes, we are also digital hoarders and we have lots of high capacity drives storing data. So I don't know if it's just creative types and movie holders, but point taken, not everybody needs the big space anymore. Well, I would also love if a lot of these cloud backup services just gave you an option to say like, hey, we'll just dump all your stuff on a physical drive and we'll mail it to you. Like I think that, you know, listen, we have yet to see one of these cloud services, you know, either go down or you know, we've seen certain fluctuations like that, but I would love for the ability that everything I have somewhere just hit print and Google or Amazon or whatever just sends me an HD drive with all that stuff on it just so I have it somewhere else. And some of the reason that people want larger hard drives locally is for access to files they don't want to have to go to the cloud to get. Yeah, if you have global internet from one web or SpaceX and it's fast. If you've got 5G from Verizon just beamed right into your home at a couple of gigabits per second, suddenly those things are like, well, but what if I don't have a connection become well, how often does that happen rather than like, yeah, no, that happens all the time, which is where we live now. Cabo zone and Tenvec point out that crash plan will do exactly what I said. So consider that an unsolicited plug for crash plan. That's what I use. Google recently introduced the fact check tag to Google News from their blog post. Google News. This is about from Christian, by the way. Google News determines whether an article might contain fact checks in part by looking for the schema.org claim review markup. We also look for sites that follow the commonly accepted criteria for fact checks. Well, I wouldn't automatically assume that the existence of means that the story is iron clad. It's only a matter of time before sites start trying to game Google system and at least provides a much more efficient way to start backtracking. Backtracking. Yeah. So and several people have pointed out other extensions. We talked about one Patrick talked about that one on Tuesday. So so there are ways to get alerts to kind of give you a little bit of a reliability score there. Andrew in London says no weather today. It's November. They apparently no weather in London in November. I've just been listening to your discussion regarding electric vehicles using white noise instead of beep beeps and also about using white noise in electric vehicles so that people know the vehicle is there. You might be interested to know the emergency services in England were considering inserting white noise into their siren sounds. The reason given was that in densely packed cities like London people in traffic were finding it very hard to work out where the emergency vehicle was coming from and how to best move to get out of their way. Problem is almost eliminated with white noise as it doesn't reflect off buildings and therefore is much easier to locate directionally. And then Ron said in 2009 they tested white noise on emergency vehicles like this on emergency doctors cars here in Germany. Now he says thankfully they didn't actually implement it. So he apparently didn't like it but he's got a YouTube link of that being used. It was a combination of siren and white noise. So you'd still get the siren from these the ones in Germany but then there'd be a little white noise bit in the middle to help you locate it. I think do we have it here? I don't have it now. Oh, it looked like we were getting it queued up here from Roger. I don't know. Oh, I guess we can. Hey, Jared writes, I like I like so many others have fallen into the Spotify early adopter and never even considered any other options. After listening to your discussion, I posted to Facebook and sought feedback from my network on what they use. It didn't take much convincing for me to give Google music unlimited ago. I'm now an hour into my 90-day trial subscription and I'm already loving it. At this stage, I'll be upgrading to the family plane once the trial is over and leaving behind my Spotify subscription PS Love the Show. You know, I wonder how much that surprises me a little bit, I have to say. But I wonder how much of Spotify's domination is just assumption like people have heard of it. We've all talked about Spotify. They're like, well, I guess I just get Spotify. I don't know what what anybody else has out there. I don't know. So maybe this Google music can change. Music change can can help them a little more than I thought. Although, again, I don't see them out there marketing it much. Yeah, Google also has a habit of launching things with whatever level of fanfare they decide to launch it and then eventually just kind of shuddering it before anybody can know what hit them. Listen, Spotify's got the edge. It's the brand leader. And I think what you're seeing now is you've got to have a hook. And, you know, right now Apple's trying to compete with them, saying we get exclusives. Title was trying to compete with them, saying we get exclusives. And, you know, one has worked more than the other. It'll be curious to see going forward. But I think Google music is, you know, it's fine for, you know, everybody I know likes it. Nobody I know likes it or is on it and doesn't like it. I guess. Yeah. Well, and I think that's the thing is now that a lot of these services are adding new features. Amazon added family plan. Google added the playlist with a little bit of machine learning magic in them. Now it's time to shop around and say, hey, which one of these actually is the best for me? I mean, I went to Google music because at the time it was the only one that allowed me to upload my own songs without deciding, oh, well, those are okay, but these aren't the way iTunes matched it. Now Amazon does that. A few others do that as well. But yeah, take a look around. If you're waiting for me to disclose that my wife works at YouTube though, don't forget, I mentioned this on Tuesday. She does for another week. And then she won't. Damn. So we're done. Yeah. It'll be very weird for you to get to the disclosures where I leads going to work, right? I have a feeling that, yeah, I have a feeling that for a while it'll come up more often for me to go, my wife used to work at YouTube. She doesn't anymore, which is why I'm not disclosing it than to say my wife works at Fandango. Maybe that'll come up on court killers. I don't know. Thank you, Justin, Robert Young for joining us. What else is going on? Oh, man, I'll tell you what. Now is the time where we are going to enter the selling black Friday week approaches. And I'm going to have plenty of stuff for everybody. Just go ahead and follow me on Twitter at Justin are young. Or if you enjoy my card game, the contender, the game of presidential debate where you can simulate a real presidential debate with you and your friends using real presidential quotes, go and sign up for our mailing list right now at thecontender.us. 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Gotcha. I did not know that. And I didn't capture the audio like I did yesterday. So I'm sorry. Can you hear me? Yeah, we can hear you. Let me see if I hear. Maybe you can hear over on my mic. It sounds like a Nokia phone would have a stock ringer just when they got the polyphonic sound, when it went from the MIDI to the full range of audio. A little bit, yeah. No, I totally see what you're talking about. So there's a company out in the Midwest that actually does a base. It's called the Howler. And it emits low frequencies along with the police car siren. See if I can. It's kind of similar. And it's designed to be able to be heard. Let's see. I don't know. Does he hear it? It's kind of a low. Oh, almost like a vacuum cleaner. Yeah, and it's designed so even if you aren't paying attention, it's low enough that you can hear, say, over your car stereo or something like that. Beef wrote the chat room. Worst dubstep song ever. Yeah, the German one kind of sounds like someone who's trying to make a techno mix, like on GarageBand, who's just figuring out all the different samples. But speaking of samples, let's sample the show titles. Oh. You like that? I like it. Segway. Life. There's a Faraday Concrete. Sky-Fi, get it? Sky-Fi. There's something in Russian, LinkedIn, and Tom will probably put it in. Yeah, doverayu, LinkedIn, doverayu. I think it's I don't give LinkedIn or serve LinkedIn. Spray on EMP protection, Fear SpaceX's Web of Satellites. Fear it. Faraday Concrete. Net from above. Tesla goes full charge on Solar City. SpaceX and One Web will bring the wrath of the internet down on our heads. It's like a mini novel. They're beginning, middle, and end there. I really love SpaceX Fiddity. SpaceX Fiddity. Yeah, I like it. It's pretty good. I'm in. You know, what would be great startup is a service that would go up and collect all the garbage from space so you wouldn't have so much potential? Well, that was actually part of SpaceX's filing, was how to not contribute to the problem and avoid the debris that's up there. Dyson Spheres are out. Musk Spheres, that's kind of gross. Musk Spheres are in. Priority of X. Tesla Solar City, Solar Tesla City. Snoopy. Oh, Snowpole, not Snoopy, Snowpole. Parliamentary Disorder, Comfort Crete. Faraday Cottage. Con Faracrete, I think they're going for concrete with Faraday in the middle. Con Faracrete. EMP, you're unbelievable. Plus one, Striker Rich. I like SpaceX Fiddity, though. Yeah. Stoic Squirrels like, but that makes it sound like Comcast, and I'm like, yeah, I believe that's what it's meant to. And he's like, that doesn't make it sound good then. I don't think we're meant to make it sound good. That's provocative. It gets the people going. Well, because one person on Twitter, their first reaction to it was, so wait a minute, if SpaceX owns all these satellites, does that mean they're going to control all the information? And I'm like, well, thankfully there's a competitor. Yeah. Well, it's like, hey, listen, man, good question. You should start asking that about literally everything in your life that's welcome right now. But if Google has all my, wait a minute. What? Bum, bum, bum. That's how I've been getting all this free stuff for the last 20 years. Oh, man. I have really been coming to terms recently that what when in the 90s when I was in my 20s was a very cutting edge attitude and was very almost populist view of the internet is now old fashioned. And what made me realize it most recently was Ryan Officer, one of our super fans, has been working on this poster of DTNS for a long time. Oh, yeah. I've encouraged it. I'm like, yeah, go for it, man, creative commons license. Have a blast. He keeps trying. We have a little friendly argument about it. He's like, I'm going to give all the proceeds to you. I'm like, no, dude, you should keep them. You put in a lot of work. And then he went and to DeviantArt, to DeviantArt of all places called DeviantArt, put it up for sale. And they were like, nope, it's got a trademark logo in it. First of all, how do they know? That's pretty comprehensive to know that that DTNS logo is a trademark of a thing. And they were very like, you have to get permission or show license approval, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So I basically had to email him and say, hey, I've got a creative commons license on all my stuff. Here it is. Here's the page. He's legal for his license. And to their credit, once I did that, they're like, OK, great. No problem. Open it up. I think he had some other issues with publication that weren't intellectual property related. But it made me realize, wow, yeah, the default these days is the opposite of what it was in the 90s. Back then it was like, you know what? We're all in this together. We all share things unless it's some big company and somebody says otherwise. And now it's like, unless you can prove you have the rights, we're going to assume you don't. Well, and the question there is also like, now there's like. So here's the double side of that. It's like, OK, yeah, you had communication with them. And it's an unnecessary little roadblock between him putting it up and having it offered, right? But at the same time, their intention was to be on the lookout for a mid-market independent creator to make sure that they could exactly monetize their property the way that they wanted. Right. So it's like, well, it's just a different worldview. I'm not even saying it's wrong. I'm just like, gosh, you know, like what where I grew up, if you wanted that treatment, you had to like stake it out and now it's default. Well, I mean, listen, man, I remember saying, you know, 10 years ago, it's like we're living in Deadwood and there's only a matter of time before the Pinkerton's become the police. And, you know, we all got to start voting for president. Who you looking at? Cowboy, I don't know. I did watch Deadwood, but I can't think of any good lines from everything. Oh, dude. It was great. I was actually thinking... It's got Raylin. Got Raylin in it. It's got... It's got Negan. No, Jeffrey Dean Morgan wasn't in it. No, isn't he? Am I wrong about that? Who am I picking it up? Yeah, it has powers booth or booth powers. I always forget. It's got a rad two episode arc from Veronica Mars. It's got Ricky Jay. Ian McShane. Yes. Well, he's the only thing is there. Like, I just don't know anything more awesome to call him than his character from Deadwood. He's in, you know, what got me confused with Negan. He's Wednesday in American Gods, which has yet to come out. Oh, OK, yeah. No, Ian McShane. Just the best. You know, I don't know. So let me ask you guys this question because I was I was getting into this with a... Did I ask you this on, I forget, of my four hours of talking about a Westworld last Monday? I forget where where I had this kind of... Oh, right. Because you did you did Hotline Monday and then showed up on spoiler time. And then showed up on spoiler time and then wound up talking about over another 45 minutes on the after show at Night at Tech. Of course. But Deadwood, the wire and the Sopranos, like, are they boy shows? In what way? Like, they did they're curious to know more to male than female psychology. Yes, I would say so. Well, no, actually, I take that back. Let's let's talk gender, not sex, too. You know, like my wife loves the Sopranos, I but but, you know, her reasons are a little different, perhaps, because they shot it in her hometown. And so a lot of the. Well, yeah, and none of that's exclusive. No, no, no, plenty of women who liked all three of those shows. Yeah, I mean, and this is not to say that you can't enjoy it. Like, I enjoy girls. It's called girls. It's a girl's show. I like it if you cannot tell by my voice, I am a I am a boy. But because like in watching Westworld. I just kind of I'm struck by this this thing where I watch all these the previews for like what's coming up, right? And the three big shows that they have right now are. The the the young black girls journey show. The older white woman is getting a divorce show and the miniseries where they combine a young girl, a middle age girl and an older girl to tell three girl stories with a gun and the ocean at some point showing up. So it's like those are shows that I at least recognize as like, OK, these are all stories about a woman's journey and seem to be marketed as such. And I and I'm like, whatever happened to the wire and Sopranos and Deadwood. Like and then I'm like, oh, my God, wait a minute. Those are just probably just boy shows. But I am asking this to as many people as possible. Sure, sure. No, it's interesting. I think those are just the next shows they have up. And it is interesting that they are marketed in a feminine slant. Yeah. And maybe it's a way to say, hey, we know Westworld is actually a really well mixed audience. So we need to make sure that folks realize that we've got a diversity of content because Westworld might lean a little bit male. So let's let's counter promote that. I don't know. I would say sci-fi in Western that I mean, is it like it'd be interesting to wonder what is more female friendly Deadwood or Westworld based only on their premises? Sure. I would my gut would say Westworld. But that's because it's got more. It's got it's less rooted in in Western. Stuff, it's got it's got the Western stuff. And in fact, that's I might, you know, granted, my wife is a woman. She does not represent the opinions of all women. But she she's like the part I like the least about Westworld is when it's very Western like she's like, I really like the people stories and the intrigue and the and the robot, you know, psychology and all of that. Yeah, but at the same time, there's more of that base visceral like bang, bang, shoot them up cowboy. Let's have sex with the hooker stuff in Westworld than there is in Deadwood. Deadwood goes episodes and episodes without somebody getting shot. Name the female characters in Deadwood. The female characters in Deadwood will Calamity. Jane would probably be the first one. OK. And then Trixie. I forget which Trixie is the main the main one that works for elsewhere. And Jane and I. Oh, Anna Garrett, the widow, Garrett, right, right. This is for Raylin for five. And I forget the one I forget the name of the one that was working at the rival saloon that that also becomes that's working with Powers Booth. But I can sort of like like like them carving out these very female stories of, you know, motherhood, sexuality, love, like and how that intersects. I think that those those stories are well told in Deadwood. But I just don't know whether or not it's like, well, do you have to get through this premise? Is this boy premise this very like where I was going with that was like now compare those to Doris Teller, you know, the head of head of things. Though the woman from the board, Maeve. And and and and I don't know the answer to the question I'm posing, but which of those are characters that if you're a female, you enjoy watching more? They're so different. It's kind of hard to say. Yeah, I guess I'm thinking more along the lines of premise like like or whether or not one is warning. And listen, this is also factoring into the fact that it's been. You know, a on and off thing that people make television that, you know, caters to women that by and large, it's a man's industry and, you know, right, something that has recently been changing. Well, yeah. And let's say, and it took, you know, the golden age of television. We're all about lonely men in their forties who like to cheat on their wives and do crazy things, all green lit and created by lonely men in their forties who like to cheat on their wives and do crazy things. Well, let's let's even go. Let's even go to the let's let's just assume that Westworld probably does lean male in the in the audience that enjoys it. What what you're identifying is like, well, it's interesting that they're promoting all these female leaning shows or what are seemingly female leaning shows. I think that says more about HBO's balance of programming than anything because what other shows do they have coming up? I mean, you know, you have ballers, which is certainly a male leaning show. That's not new, though, right? That's none of that is that returning soon. I don't know. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Like which ones are coming up within the next month or two? Because it seems like they're only promoting new stuff that's coming soon. Otherwise, we just gave it their own. Also, like it's interesting that like that they're not pairing it. They're not pairing those shows with other shows that might be more palatable to the boys, right? That that like I think like girls and ballers goes at the same time in the same way that Silicon Valley and Game of Thrones goes at the same time. Those are like aired shows. And Jackie says, I think you should just take gender out of this. What about lonely married women in their forties that want to cheat on their husbands? I mean, I guess the question would be the reason why you put gender there is because that's that is about as broad of a demographic as you can. And you want to try to, you know, capture the most possible audience. So listen, lonely women in their forties that want to cheat on their husbands. Certainly a demo and probably a fairly key demo. But but but yeah, when you're making a show, I think there's a general reason why you make boy shows or girl shows, right? Yeah. And and and Jackie brings up a good point. She's like, you don't want to chick flick popular culture. You don't want to put things in a box. I would say that's a chick flick. And I think we're trying to avoid that in this. Yeah, I think what we're saying is there there are and and Justin put it best. There are ways they market it. And the interesting thing isn't what, you know, what what's a girl movie and what's a boy movie. The interesting thing is what we would probably consider to be a male leading audience is getting marketed with female leading programming. And maybe maybe the answer to that is that popular culture or at least the audience of HBO doesn't doesn't lean those ways, those classical ways. Well, I guess this is probably my my larger point here is that I watch those three commercials. I watch the commercials for Divorced with Sarah Jessica Parker and Thomas Hayden Church. I forget what is the what is the other one? And I forget the actress. And if I describe it, it'll come off as racist. That is a Ray. Are you talking about insecure? Insecure, right? And right over here in Englewood, actually, they go to the mall that I go to. Insecure, right? And then you have the new the new miniseries that has Reese Witherspoon and yeah, and all three of them. Seem at least at first blush that as they are introducing them to me as stories of women trying to find themselves at different points of their life and the only difference is the point in their life and obviously the personality that they are going to do it. And I'm sure they're all very different shows, but it would it would seem to me that if they had three trailers where it was like one's a young guy who's kind of hard drinking and is trying to figure out his way in his life. And here's a 40 year old guy who's getting divorced and is trying to figure out the way in his life. And here's a story of three guys of all different ages that are trying to figure out their way that I would wonder, man, they're really loading up the boy shows. Yeah. Well, maybe what it is is HBO is like, hey, guess what? Those categories don't matter as much. We're going to get a bunch of people, men and women from Westworld watching these shows, because those categories aren't as distinct as they used to be. Well, the question is if you look at their subscription numbers is, is, you know, they're not where they they're not where they used to be. Yeah. Question for you, Justin. Yeah. Would you be available in the afternoon of Tuesday, December 13th? Yeah. Tuesday, September 13th. December. December 13th. December 13th. What do you know? Yeah, that's the other thing. Jack, he's like, they'll just do anything to get Sarah and Jessica Parker back. Oh, yeah. No, that's true. I mean, yeah, Sex in the City, one of the most popular shows of all time. Yeah. Girl's show. Right. Well, yeah. I mean, sure. Also, the reason that because I liked it is the reason I got married. So, I mean, I mean, again, I'm not saying only girls watch it or only. That's the problem, right? Is that you is as soon as you say girl show, then it can start to sound like and therefore it's bad or therefore I like it. And that's how I know that's not what you girls. I love girls. There's a reason why I was excited that they cast Adam Driver in Star Wars. And it's because I watch girls like I enjoy it. I will defend Lena Dunham. Come at me, bro. So, yes, I can do that. Roger, you can do the 13. Cool. So that's two of you. Am I are we we're not doing a show on Thanksgiving next week? Correct. No, correct. Let me add all the players to this. I'm actually published now. So we are going to pull this whole live stream back into the barn. And we'll see you tomorrow.