 Welcome to Toffey TV, this is the final word. Tottenham Hotspear won in what was a very, very disappointing performance by Everton. Well, not just Everton's, Bears as well, but who's asked about them, wasn't a great performance, was it? It was a rubbish game, let's be perfectly honest, it was two poor teams playing in what looked like a pre-season friendly. And it was a clap goal to win the game, it kind of all fitted nicely together. Yeah, I suppose in many ways it was probably what the other games looked like, but the other games were positive results. Two victories in a draw against Liverpool, it probably wasn't a massive amount of difference between the performances, but it just felt like last night was that time when we had to step up and do a little bit more and be a little bit better and capitalise on a space team who weren't really that good at it and put some demons to bed and again we showed we can't, we can't do it. Listen to Gary Neville in the commentary and we got it spot on time after time. It's this team, it's this club, when it comes to the crunch, when it comes to these games, when it comes to having to beat somebody. It's almost like, don't worry about it, it's Tottenham or Arsenal or one of these teams, they always beat us so it's not really an issue. This is the real issue and now after the game, Carla Wanchillotti spoke about mentality, he's having to change the mentality, but it's difficult for fans, we've had this discussion before about the whole edit and that sort of way of looking at things, but when a team turns up and they're in an empty stadium and all they've got to do is face another team and the other team are not that good at it, it's like a name in a presence, we let ourselves down every single time and you can't get away from that really can you, that's the most disappointing thing I think. Obviously last night was different wasn't it, we were in an empty stadium with no fans playing against another team, we've lost the game through an own goal. I don't think you can put it next to other games where we haven't performed, because it's the first game we've lost since we came back after lockdown, but the issue and I guess that's what Carla Wanchillotti will look at it like, but from us as fans perspective it's another game against a team where we haven't done very well and we've been unable to get a positive result even in an empty stadium, that's how we look at it and you can't look at it like that and this is the problem now. I guess we have with all of these runs is that every time you go on to the pitch against these teams and your run isn't very good against them it shouldn't matter, it's about that 95 minutes or wherever it is when you play on that day, us as fans carry around those results but the players shouldn't, there's a lot of players there, it's the first time we've lost that stadium and I've only played there twice but what I mean is it's not like they had a history of going there and getting beat, it was a brand new stadium, we drew 2-2 there last year and we've lost it, so I can't even attribute that to it, the fact that we don't get a result here because it's a different team, a different manager, a different stadium but us as fans will just tag it on to the list of failures that we've had against all of those teams for a number of years now. I think for us as fans, it's never ending list isn't it of failure, whereas for the manager he's looking at it with fresh eyes, he's coming to it, he'll see the stats, he'll see the numbers, he'll see the defeats, the players, some of them have experienced those things themselves, the ones that have been here long enough and I think that's the thing that disappoints fans more than anything is that you go into those games and you want to see something, you want to see a little bit of urgency or devilment or something, a lot was made about half time and two of their players clashing because a ball had been, because Son had chased back when he'd lost the ball and Manino comes out after the game and he's like, I don't want that. You never see that from any of our players, you just see a shrug of the shoulders or it doesn't matter and it does matter because when the stats are so damning about some of our players, you'll see it's not winning a tackle for 195 minutes, Andre Gomes is the most dribbled pass player in any midfield in the Premier League since the restart, there are numbers you can't escape, there are numbers where you go, what are you doing, that's our centre midfield, your job is to win the ball and then do something with it, and yet we don't use the ball, we've got no defence of cover in there and it's come to a point now, seeing it personally now and I know we've done a video about it on Patreon, is you look at that team now and I don't care about any of them and I've said this before, I want to say I don't care about any of them, what I mean is like, it's time to make hard decisions and we'll talk about that later but it just seems like that every week the same thing and that's not Carl Angelotti's fault because he's been handed these players and he's trying to move the pieces around as much as he can, but you can't escape that, it is a collection of players again that aren't good enough and never will be good enough, I don't think because they don't have the right to play, they have the right characteristics of what you need to be a decent Premier League team, which is energy, which is pace, which is the ability for midfielders to get up and down and I think we learned that more than anyone last night because for me we were up against a team who have a reputation but I'm actually a decent team, they've got a reputation and again it's like when we went to Arsenal, we've been beaten by the reputation rather than the team because we've been too scared to go and push on in a game and say who's asked about Harry Kane, who's asked what he can do, we're getting beat 1-0, let's go and have a go, so for me it's time to get serious, it's time to really really get serious about what we're trying to do and otherwise it's not going to work for Carl Angelotti either because he's got to be given the tools that help to move everything on. I think they are serious and I think he will be serious. The issue is he's implemented a different playing style to some of the players and except that, the previous manager played a different formation and we bought players for that formation. I think we're struggling with the likes of Guilffy Sigurddon who wasn't brands of signing and wasn't until after signing but he's on a lot of money and for some reason keeps playing. You know we've got nothing really in wide areas but not in a world where both brands are signing but neither of them are pulling up any trees for us at the minute. Trond Davies is inconsistent, I thought he was okay last night but he's inconsistent, Gomez hasn't got going so that midfield, the key area at the pitch was just well shorting. You know we started last night with, we had Davies, we had Gomez, Sigurddon and a Wobie, Trond Davies was on the right hand side. Now okay I kind of understood that when Colm was meant to sit in and shape wise it was alright, it was okay it worked quite well but the problem is and I was saying this, I watched the game with my dad I was saying to you know even though we haven't got the plays he needs you can see what he's implemented already. I watched the games there, defensively were quite decent defensively, the problem is the gap between your midfielders and your strikers and we're relying on Lucas Dean to run up and down all day. A Wobie couldn't get in the game for whatever reason, he had one great run where Gomez should have found him, just over at the pass but then again if he'd have been more committed he should have gone straight into it or he didn't, he pulled out but that was a good move, we drew them out one ball and a Wobie made a good little run. You can see that again, that was it, once in a half. The right hand side like you said it was the owners who was on Coleman, can't do it anymore, got in a couple of times and failed to find anyone but it wasn't for the one to try. But in that midfield, your two centre midfield players, one of them, Gomez is the better known isn't he for us supposedly, he's the kid that will keep it going, he'll pass it and he'll get it and he'll go long and he's nice on the ball. So therefore what's Gilfee Sigarton? Gilfee Sigarton is that the lad who's going to break play up for you or if he's not going to break the game up for you, he's the one who should be on the day on the edge of the box, bang and shotting and creating and he doesn't do anything, the two of them sit deeper than anybody else. And so you've got a Wobie coming in off the flank and not getting involved. Lucas Deane's trying to run 80 and 90 yard doggies. Trond Davies is sitting in for Coleman, Coleman's trying to get me on the back but no one is breaking forward and causing the problem. And what we had some space, even though they are quite a negative team now under Marino, at least they had low calso, they had soco, they had winks who would try to run and get on the edge of the box and join in. Armid ffilders dumddo i. We had opportunities in the first half where we fed Dominic Calvert-Lewin in on the corner of the box, he turned and passed it back and sent it forward. You know we had one shot before our time, I think sorry we had two. But the first shot we'd had was Andre Gomez off the corner of the court, I don't know why, he sliced it wide but at least he was having a pop. It doesn't happen in open play, that doesn't happen, we don't travel forward and link up and get it to the edge of the box and have a shot anymore. So I just looked at that midfielder last night and just think, really, realistically we were playing with six men in the first half. We had our defence and we had the two lads of front and the two lads of front didn't do anything by the way but at least they were feeding off absolute scraps and we had the defence who, let's be honest, sun and cane are brilliant and yet our defence kept them relatively quiet, didn't he? I think listen, it's not, like you said there I thought structurally as a team we've got the right shape and I think the shape is so important because of the lack of the options he's got. We spoke about a good shape of when you're enough games but if you want to step up, a lot of people told me before this game about Europa League and stuff and the manager himself said it's like six-cup finals if you want to get there. We're just not good enough, we're just, that team, those players, those individuals when it matters, you need that individual piece of magic, that spark that opens a team up. It's not there, it's not there and no matter how much we try and dress it up as this player or that player might come good or, you know, they're not going to. Andre Gomez is not going to be the midfielder we think he is, he isn't, it's not going to happen, it just isn't as far as I'm concerned, there's not enough time in the world for it to happen. I disagree with that for the point where I think with this midfield if you piece someone with a better midfielder it will bring the best out of them. I think if you, we saw it with Gomez in his first season when he had Ghana with him, he was able to get on the ball, he had someone doing the other stuff for him and he could just concentrate on getting us playing. I don't think Sigarton will add anything at any time now, I think he's done as far as I'm concerned. I'm not saying Gomez has done, I just don't think he's the player that we think he is, this player that, your righties are more of a, maybe he's more of a now of get on the ball and use it. But I don't want that, I want a player to get on the ball and I want a player to start attacking your opposition. You will see in a lot of teams, not both centre midfielders won't attack, one will go on one instead, so he could be the one. That's what I'm saying, if you put someone with them you can drive up and down. But then you're asking a lot of the other person, I want two centre midfielders who can do both those jobs and I know that's hard to find, but that's the only thing you're going to have to have. Don't forget though sorry, but the other thing is if we had an out right side of player, an out right winger who could cause opposition problems, it lightens the load. What you've got at the moment in evidence midfield, this was evident last night and everyone's had to go with it and I made up, Neville's had to go with it. I've seen Kayle talking about it, I've seen even anti a lot of you himself in his press conference, we lost to them in the field. Commentators have talked about it, reporters, journalists, fans have talked about it. That midfield right the way across from one side to the other offered nothing. If you're two centre midfielders aren't great but you're two wingers are causing issues, you can sometimes get away with it as well, but we didn't have that. We had a woby that, like I said, he made one run and that was his contribution in the game in that first half and he went off apparently with the hamstrings or whatever. I'd have dragged him off anyway, he was dreadful. Davis was having a sitting job really so he couldn't do. He offered nothing really other than trying to cover for Coleman the two in midfield. I just think that I honestly believe that the time has come now where we have to just stop making excuses for players. I'm not going to say we, I don't mean everybody. Tom Davis was rubbish because what I mean is he was playing on the right and he offered nothing right. I don't know but see that's an excuse, he was rubbish, he didn't offer anything. A woby awful, but not when he came on, awful, go on man, awful, sick it's an awful. Dominic Harman on awful, they were shameless coming awful right. I don't know but I'm sick of making excuses for players. He was awful than he normally was right. He tried to come back into the get, he tried to come back getting kicked everywhere. These players were, John Pickford awful, Brian dead awful. I don't think he was. No he was though, in the last minute of a game right. It doesn't matter that symbolises what these players are like. The thick, I've set it for ages as a collective, the thick. Time to catch things that he's got no right to catch. Thick, I'm sorry but it's time to stop making excuses for the players now. You've said it yourself in the past players get away with too much. I agree with part of what you said, I really do agree. I don't think Pickford was awful, he made, the kick in the last minute was ridiculous. Don't get me wrong, it was ridiculous. The one that he let through his hands, I don't know what he was doing. I don't know whether he should have caught it or he should have just pushed it away. I don't know, other than that I don't think he did anything wrong at all. Because he didn't have an opportunity to do anything else. Point being is that we're letting these players go on for too long now. And you're right what you're saying, people are picking up on it now. It needs to be looked at, it needs to be examined. These players just need it. We can't, we just have to make these hard decisions. I know it's difficult because it's difficult to get rid of them. It's going to take time but we've wasted so much money. When you see performances like that and I'm not listening. People can go on, Andre Gomez, he's had a bad injury and he's coming back. So what? Because the point being is that if he's never going to come back to the same player, then you have to just get, you have to... You can't say that's too early to say. But is that an excuse? It isn't though. It isn't. But he's not... You can't say he's not going to be the same player because... But is he going to be the same player in the timeframe we need the same player? Say everything, get to the summit. And all the presses on Marcel Brands this summer as far as I'm concerned. He's got a year left. It's about time he proved it now. Right? If he gets, say you've got Sangari for them just using him as an example. Six for five, box to box, powerhouse. And you put Gomez next to him. And all of a sudden Sangari's getting around a bit. It's breaking play up and Gomez can get on the ball and he's passing it. And everything looks sand in that midfield. I don't see any evidence of that Gomez. Well you don't at the moment because he's playing alongside a crab. No, but that's making issues for Andre Gomez. Andre Gomez isn't helping himself. Last night some of the passes he was doing were just awful. So I'm not making excuses for these players anymore. He was awful and I know he had a bad injury. But he's had plenty of time to recover. And I look at him as a player and I don't see any inspiration from... And I'm not picking him out. I just don't see any inspiration from him to step it up to want to get older the game. And I see that from a lot of players unfortunately. The problem with this game is it's not an isolated event. And we're not going overboard because we've been beaten. I just look at some players and I just think to myself, you've come to the end now. And I'm not saying Gomez has, by the way. I'm not saying Gomez has. I just want to see, and this will obviously take pressure is, I want to see pressure put on them by buying, not just one new player, but two new sentiment fielders who start putting pressure on the player. And then maybe we'll see another side of them. But too many players just have those performances where the whole team as a collective just decides to down tools and don't put the efforts in. Because last night, I can understand why Sheffield tonight has a lot of energy and space. Energy, effort, determination. The manager getting stuck into them. And you could imagine like a barely beating them. But oh no, hard work's a little bit too much effort for everything players. It's a little bit too... But there wasn't any hard work though. The brain dead. I think you're going overboard. For what though? Because we've played four games since we came back. So has everyone else? Sheffield tonight at the weekend, right? I've got into them by being high tempo. Our players just... You've said it yourself. They just stroll. So what's the excuse then? Because what I'm saying is, to me you're making it sound like we haven't done that in any of the games back. And we had to work hard against Leicester to get a result. We had to stay close through to the plan against Liverpool to get a result. Last night, don't forget. Last night's game was a poor game. The stats, which you'll have a look at in a minute, show it should have been a draw. The game is won by a free-own goal. And that was it. The XTA on both teams was 0-0. Expect the points was 1-1. Everything was the same. Daber is bad as we... So what? Hang on, hang on. Hang on. If we don't win the game 1-0, you'd be sat here going, you can only do what he does, but we've won the game. I'm not talking about the manager. I'm talking about the players. Spears were garbage. And they were there for the taking. And that's what I'm talking about. Spears were there for the taking, right? And at no point did any of our players go, we can do this. That's what I'm talking about. At no time did any of our players go, we can do this, lad. We're in the box, last minute of the game. Last five minutes of the game. Let's just start pumping it long. This is the same conversation that we had earlier in the season when you blamed the manager. And I was saying to you, the manager's not doing great, but the players, it's on the plate. No, I'm the manager. We get a new man. I hear it a lot of times, it's the players mentality. But what I'm saying is, that game last night, I was ffuming that the fact that I've seen that performance so many times. That's what annoys me. You could almost write that performance. The minute local so it's that shot that it's Michael Keane and goes in, I've just thought it's over. And there was still 70 minutes to go on the game. I just looked and I was like, we won't because we don't have those players to come back. And it's not. The manager at the moment your right is mixed. It's almost like going back to the circle of sight. That's what it's almost like. He's trying different combinations in that midfield with the same players, but getting the same results with them. There's no perfect midfield that Everton have got. We've spent a lot of money in four years and we haven't bought an athlete in midfield so a lad who can go up and down. They're everywhere. They're absolutely everywhere. And yet Everton have thought it's not important to have one. I can't understand it. I honestly can't understand it. We should, and you're right, this summer we should be doing everything in our power to bring two in not one. On the hope that go-bamans back in November and the hope that Gomez is perfect because for me Delf, out the door if you can get any money for him. Tom Davis would be alone for me abroad. See what if you can do it, if you can get consistency, if you can't then look to sell him. Sigarton adds chase for whatever we can get for him just to get him off the wage bill. Because them three for me at the moment shouldn't be anywhere near our midfield next season. Davis maybe has a squad player but not getting anywhere near that midfield and in that case go-bamans out not on the pitch anyway. So we need two to put pressure on Andre Gomez. You're absolutely right. And if Gomez can improve his performances then you sit on the bench and then if you can't get back in a team then you look to trade them in circles almost with this rebuild. This year he's been in four years. He's got brands in the first two years with a joke wasted so much money. We're suffering now because of it. We had an excuse for the director of football we had an excuse for the manager and then we brought brands in and we tried something with silver and it didn't work but brands are in and the structure is in place and brands in general has brought in potential really that's all he's brought in but you also need to bring fundamentals in and the fundamentals of any Premier League football club is being able to have midfield players that can do more than one job that can run up and down and we don't. We've got all of our midfield players whichever permutation you use to bring the same characteristics I've seen something that laughable about Sangari, Everton unsure whether he's technically good enough like our midfield players are brilliant Do you know what I mean? The lad is six for five he's a powerhouse he can run he can get up and down none of our midfield players bring any of that and that's the area for me that is I've said it at previous it's the area that is the biggest issue of Everton football club because without that midfield your strikers don't get the service they should and your centre back your defence doesn't get the coverage you do and it's born out in you put a shape in and that shape is ensured that we're tight at the back we've let two goals in in four games one hit some fell in the boat race and the other one was a massive own goal other than that we've had nothing they haven't conceded anything so defence of structure and everything else it's fine but it all falls apart when you go behind because you've got lad in midfield that can support your frontman and that's the key area it's the absolute key area I agree with most of what you're saying but me personally I'm not right man to leave homeers off at the moment and now in it is performed just haven't been good enough since we come back they haven't and that's something he's got to sort out but I still think he's the one I'm least worried about in that midfield area he really is the others worry me particularly why she gets and keeps getting picked I don't understand it I honestly do not understand it the options I suppose because we don't seem to have the players on the bench doesn't seem to be anything in the coming through from the under 23s I've seen something I said something to my dad last night after about half an hour and it just reminded me of the Howard's Way film someone said the same thing what I said to my dad last night but none give me must be sat there thinking I'm crap if I can't get in this team I must be crap I think when he wasn't in the team because he cannot be any worse than what he's got to say at the moment he can't be and what you do to get a reaction out of other people is you bring a kid in and go off you go show me what you've got he moved into the centre and he was miles better because he just had energy he could just run he could just open up the space and it's the kind of thing that Madison does for Leicester people who just run they've done it with the soaker like I said the soaker's not very good but what he's alright at is travelling with the ball and when he runs with the ball it means your strikers have got somewhere to go if your team just stays in the line it's dead easy to mark I think it might be now might be the time to I don't know how bad Benningham he is I don't know how good Benningham he is I don't know I think he's mobile though but even like something I don't know if you're talking about moving the deck's hand I mean you look at something like a wobby and you think well can you play it into my field having a new... no but like that's what I'm saying this isn't the bar the bar is not that high is it the bar is not like what you're talking about like you've got to replace ganor or something the bar is not that hard you know gilffy says that you can't tackle and I'm saying you almost can't run you know what I mean it's like the bar isn't that high surely we've got players who who are within the squad like we keep on somewhere people keep on somewhere giving me some hall gate to go you know why because he came in into my field and actually looked like he could move around the team a little bit I don't know whether that's an option he's good on the ball he's good in the air hall gate it's fun I said to you before we started that if he's alright I don't know whether he's going to be but if he's fit for any other games this season he will walk into that I'd play him, I'd leave key in a meaner at the back and I'd play hold because the worst comes the worst Maitian can cover for the other two by dropping in we lose too but when there's no one in there you're putting pressure on the back floor I mean if you look at the stats it was a crap game everything's quite even really I mean look at the complete past exactly the same 21 crosses one more shot for us but that's what frustrates me more than anything though it's not it spares with the air for the taking again Gary Neville in the commentary on Sky said in that last minute we threw key in a meaner up and he said why didn't he do this 10 minutes ago why are they going for it in the 90th minute why is Pickford kicking the ball to the smallest man on the pitch but you know these are little things that the manager can't affect things like that it's the players have got to start looking at it and go what do we need to take a risk go to here we're 1-0 down we need to win this game we spoke about it before the game do you throw everything at this game we were like well if we lose it it's not the end of the world and in terms of like do we need to throw everything at it but you think in 5 minutes you think start launching even if it's not the centre back you just say to one of the centre back you say to Anthony Gordon right you get to the left of the dominant carvaline and we're just going to aim everything at dominant carvaline because we predict they'll win 75% of the things in the air like he normally does and you've got to get the drop down so what that means is to start a tax and things like that that just completely baffled me I said it against Norwich we were getting no joy go long at the channels start training them it's basic football and these things just in 40 the problem is not the problem the thing what SPACE did was they are a different team with marino they are negative they're a team that's sitting what they had SPACE they would look like us but probably the difference between the chef of the night of the game in this game was they had the shape as well they were pretty negative they had the shape and they weren't coming out of their shape and you had a couple of them feeling like they were trying to break the lines but pretty much they were keeping their shape and they knew if they could get that one goal and could dig in then they'd probably come away with the win and that's how it played out and as flukey as the goal is that's the sad part cos you've got a king's nor harry you know sun's nor harry and you're thinking well just that little bit of ambition to win the game could have got us something and that's what infuriated me more than anything else but then we haven't I think I mean I didn't really lean anything else last night about us other than the fact that what I knew before and which was midfield is terrible and that's the problem because it's not changed there's no combination sometimes you piece a couple of things together and it cures everything it cures a lot of things man gen i'w wneud i fi troch bob brun o Fynandas cwm yw'r tein yn bach into a team and looks like you can get in the top four where February, he looked like a team that would be lucky to get in the top I'm not saying they haven't got better plays than ever but I'm just saying at one play a kick them on we need two transformations in Armour Field if everything could get a right winger and a centre in the field you could then have Anthony Gordon off for me now there's no reason Anthony Gordon plays every game now cos he's played his way in but Nard hasn't shown me anything and I won't be he hasn't shown anything I'm probably injured anyway now so for me he's out of the picture so Anthony Gordon now has to start every game unless you're going to go and play Banes at left back and Luca Dean on the left side and try that maybe and I would play Anthony Gordon because he deserves the only one who looks bright for us going forward apart from your two frontmen you know you could theoretically go with the Charles on wide like Gordon left and Keane and Calverloo on off front and that would change things a little bit but you're still going to have that issue in the centre of the park where it'd have to be realistically it'd have to be Tom Davis and Gomez or you go now I'm playing Ben Ingemi I'm giving Benny Ben Ingemi the chance and it's going a little bit different I mean as I said listen I've just mentioned Gordon now because he come on and you know I'm going sorry before we go to that first off nothing really happened we had their goal was going 40 foot wide and it's Keane and goes in and they didn't really have any causes at the other end we had the Gomez slice and the Charleson should have hit the target with that one right on off time for him you'd expect him to hit the target so we'd go in 1-0 down in a cracker and it was 1-0 and they hadn't had the shot on target I don't think you know we come off for a second and you've replaced with what will be with Gordon and again he's come on and he's a young lad scouts want to do well he's bright 45 minutes 25 touches two shots one on target 10 successful passes five attacking third passes created two chances 91% passing accuracy three attempt of tackles two interceptions one dribble he's playing he's a kid coming into a team he's won more tackles in more than two games because there's something on the line for him because it means something to him because he's trying to force his way in the 17 he can see a gap and I just wonder whether someone like Benninga Mee I'm not saying for a second that I believe Benninga Mee answers to Armit Field I'm not saying he's going to be the answer and I know he's in training he might the manager but who's to say by putting him in a Premier League game and suddenly it all being there in front of him he doesn't go wow I need to grab this and suddenly you've got a lad who can get Armit Field who can do something and you drill him and you say to him this is what we need and I'm not sitting here it's to get a show for five games I'm not sitting here criticising the manager by any means I would love to see something a little bit different because we're running out of Tom Bate Davis playing on the right I understand why he played him he's just got all these pieces of a jigsaw and it's the wrong jigsaw it's in a different box and none of them fit together that's what it feels like he's got all his parts but none of it fits together but he's going to have to use it in whatever way and he's got lack of options you talk about Theo woke up but if Theo woke up was available he'd be playing because there's no better option that's the sad thing, I won't be playing because there's no better option so it's so sad but this is the way we are this is the dilemma we've got and the money we've had to spend that's the problem and sadly it doesn't really stop with well-shaded brands has got to be in the equation as well because I think what he's done is he's bought players who technically are good players but they don't and again listen, you've got a factor in the managers as well the amount of managers we've had so we were going to play for 4, 2, 3, 1 under silver so then a Wobie sort of fits in that because he's the number 10 but now we haven't got a number 10 so where does a Wobie fit in so you haven't got the players, you've got to play Wobie so you've got to factor in brands is buying players but he's buying players for the manager and then that's the difficult part so he can't be all lumped on him but he has made I wouldn't say mistakes but he's going to move us forward but at the same time he's hampered because he can't probably get the players he actually wants because of the stuff that's been left behind by Walsh so it's an absolute mess really and we were coming off there Damien saying why don't we just go and buy all the players and if you wait for one of banners let them banners that's what Milan did, Milan just decided to take the hit for one season and just went we'll take the ban for the year because we've spent money I've seen people talking about Newcastle saying that's something they do they will spend the money and take the hit for the year because it doesn't matter to you qualify for Europe and you may as well be up there evident we'll have that opportunity to do the same but we're going to have to do something radical aren't we because to get rid of these plays and to get new plays in is going to take something radical it really is because we've got players who are like Sigarton, who the hell will take Sigarton I think someone will take him but I don't think someone will pay big money for him and that means evident his value will be where 10.4 million I think that's what it stands for, value is worth with the amatisation, he's got two years left on a contract so we'll evident take 3, 4, 5 million for him and just go but we'll take 5 million it'll look terrible on the books because he'll be bought them for 40 but we've had them for three seasons so you'd get some money back for it I don't know, I think if you shave an 100 I'll grant the week I'd take 5 million for him and get rid of them I think we have to just, as you said make these decisions, now tough tough decisions that we might not like in terms of financially we might not like you know and the club the Prime Minister has put a lot of money in and he's seen absolutely nothing and you won't we haven't even got a midfield the worry for me is that like I say, brands are sport, I think brands are sport some good players they do I think he's sport, one that's got a potential as well but the worrying thing for me is we haven't got the basics, the structure right you midfield, the Premier League is all about power and peace and you need that in the central areas and he hasn't, okay, your Batman has been cursed or something you've missed two games four games in two years before we got him and in France he's hardly missed a game and he's come here and he's been fifth for one and a half games and being in terrible luck with injuries and that's unfortunate for brands he's sixth for four whatever he can get about the pitch he either made a big difference to evidence midfield he would have done but you have to back yourself to be covered for those kind of things you need more options we can't have a drop-off we can't have players where they're all the same everyone's the same and that's what we've left with and that's what he has to address this summer and if he has to be creative we have to be creative with loan deals or with view to buy or with structured payments we have to try to move people out and create that gap in the budget where we can go there's that or yes there's that because that's what we need we can't go into next season with these players this midfield we can't otherwise we'll be lucky to finish top up we'll be lucky to finish above the bottom six because this midfield offers zero it offers absolutely zero and you'd have to start then factor and buzz it in can they offer something different and that's not where we want to be going we want to be moving forward we've seen the difference you can make already in those 15 games structurally and we probably do have enough to beat certain teams because we've got the two ladder up front but we're going to continue to struggle against teams of better quality because we can't match them if we would have had two ladder in the field even one and a winger who could have got up and down last night we'd have beat space or at least we'd have had a good chance of beating them because we'd have caused them issues to take the lead against the team and say back and go what have you got and they haven't got anything you're going to winging that's all they did last night and say back and write what have you got we'll make sure we've got six or seven men behind the ball at all times which is what they did in the second half and we had a lot of the ball second half because they dominated the possession first half we had all the ball there to the second half and we come to a stage where we're left with an Anthony Gordon's shot from 40 yards with 35 yards King had a good little step over but it was straight at the keeper we had opportunities we had three kicks on the box, wasted them corners didn't get anywhere near them really said there'd be losses one wide in injury timing and we ended up losing a game that everything points to stats and everything that should have been a draw we should have got a draw from we're disappointed because we're looking gone that was spares away it didn't play very well a bit of ambition about this and could have won the game and we didn't and it's not just us as fans Gary Neville saying it all the people are saying it I've seen a lad on Twitter he's a good lad and he's like Everton have got good players and he's got great fans and he's got a great manager and yet he put in a performance like that again at these grounds it must be sold this time and he looked at it and go we've got Kane on WhatsApp and I was winding him up last night telling him everything's terrible being it down because I know that he takes everything to heart so I was going over the top last night to get a rise out of him but he's right, he's a young lad he's seen nothing and he goes home and away and he's devastated there's no shoots of recovery for him the thing about it is though I know it's only one game and I know one defeating four games but it's not about how bad like spares were the start show it should have been a draw or whatever but if ever it never go that means they can win the game and the fact that we did never go and with 15 minutes to go it was and it was where's the agency, where's the desire where's the passion to go and win a game like that where's the naus to say in the last 10 minutes lads it's looking at long start getting in the corner does that come from the manager then I don't know how I don't know is the answer to that I don't know but I do look at players and I just feel like you just walk around you just don't do anything you just don't look like there's anything going on in the second half Anthony Gordon out there who wanted to show a little bit of something I think in a team like Everton they haven't got like a star you can just turn a game like that in wide areas then the least you need is competitors and then your competitors get your spikers who are good lads chances and they'll take them if you can create chances for the two hours and the Dominic Alvaluam they'll take one they proved their all season they'll take a chance but you can't we've said it before it's a great delivery and that's it no one else is doing it go through the team, Dean's got six assists he's the top assist there look at it look at it like from that point of view though how many times did we string three passes together that got our fullbacks down the line and what Sheffield is going to show today is space have a structure and they'll force the fullbacks out wide Mintfield women's running inside there was none of that nothing coming through I just feel now he's always put on a year he's used a woby so charged many people would you be selling him a year I'd sell him, someone put an offer and I'd sell him cos he doesn't fit he doesn't fit in what we want to do that's the point he was a buy for the previous manager he played off the list now I'm just asking you there's no evidence honestly there's no evidence to suggest that he fits in to the role we want to play now the manager might go or brands might go but if we can get that player then that suddenly opens up the space for him to run into I understand all that but at the same time you sell him a ball to Winger and you could actually the point being is what does he want to do as a player what he wants to do is get on the ball in central areas and be able to create chances where he's playing at the moment and I'm only picking on him at the moment cos he's on the pitch and I didn't think where he plays at the moment does not allow him to do that he doesn't bring out anything so the question has to be is he good enough to play a central role we don't want to have a central role for a start and is what he's good at does it really work well out wide will it doesn't if you had an outright winger so therefore your outright winger was someone who was going on the outside it then allows you to balance that up by someone who comes in how does that make him better he hasn't played he played well at Norwich second half Liverpool he didn't play very well but he was doing a defensive job blessed there didn't really have a good game I accept all of that but before and his numbers were all right because no one was talking about progressive but if you again it's a bit like the Gomez thing you can't get rid of everybody so you look at players who have potential I love Bernard but I would probably sell Bernard over a Wobie just for the simple reason that he's got the physical attribute I think better to and he's a couple of years younger we're not going to be able to sell Bernard on a Wobie are we because I don't think we'll get taken this problem with him is that number one I don't know what he's good at number two I don't know what his position is and I just I just I can't really I can't really piece the things together obviously he's a good player but there's no he doesn't fit there's no evidence to suggest he's going to do something that moves the team forward every time he gets the ball like you said before he'll come off the left and he played a ball through over the top and he was on it and he bottles it and I just don't see where he fits into the team or how he can affect the team and that's the biggest problem and I think it's all I think you're writing what you're saying you get a winger on the other side and then it changes the dynamic of the team but what's he doing to affect that what's he doing in a game of football that affects that could he play centre midfielders if you asked him to just pick up the ball and centre midfield and start running the people could he do that does anyone trust him to do that? and then we'd have to play a different formation I think if Everton played but I'm saying say Everton played like three, five, two because you want to keep the two lads up front and then your wit comes and your full backs then I think he could play in there and then it's a question I mean listen the jury is if you go through I mean Joe's put time to be ruthless so who would you sell in the summer? everyone it's the nobody you'd keep no I'd sell if the offers came in I'd listen to offers for him I'd listen to offers for Bernard I'd listen to offers for Andy Gomez would you? yes I definitely I think he's legs I honestly don't know if we've got the time okay I'm just asking if an offer came in so the no midfielders you'd keep no I mean that's the easiest just to see if you can get any level of consistency but everyone else is free again I'd give him to City of Liverpool FC no I'm saying so really going through that team at this moment in that midfield there's nobody but Tom Davis you put on loan but everybody else you'd listen to offers for I'd listen to offers for all of them if it meant bringing in the players that they think they can bring in I think you'd have to listen to offers for all of them do you think we'd get offers for all of them? no but that's the point though isn't it that's the point though isn't it I'm not sitting here saying just throw them all out I'm just saying if he was offers he'd obviously listen to offers for all of them because arguably right Snidelam would be our best midfielder now no he wouldn't but we'd have to get rid of him because an offer came in Snidelam would be better than them too don't care what anyone says Snidelam would be better than those two last night he would he'd be better than them I think 95% of people agree with me but he'd be better than them too because what he would have done is they can't seem to do their job but I think Snidelam would have done his job but we got rid of him because it's not fit probably to play anyway and they got a good offer for him and they let him go and that's fine I've got no problem with that because hopefully in my head that means that they know they're bringing in centre midfielders but there's nobody in that midfield that I would think you're absolutely amazing you can't lose you there's no one amazing and you said it before that means Anthony Gordon has to play again now because there's nobody and then you look at in other positions I don't even know why I would bother him looking at a centre back Gabrielle, I wouldn't even be bothered I wouldn't what's the point generally what's the point we've got three we've got Gibson coming back now Fleetwood have gone on I don't know where they'll back out alone next season would you be bothered with another centre back? 20 million on another centre back because I think we've actually got three decent centre backs I think Kane's being excellent I don't see what people's issue he played the best pass of the night last night I think he's sound I think he's boss are you nearly got caught with it was just one thing but then other people let him he let it sort of just let it come down I think he really wanted a challenge some would have threw himself over that's the thing with me field there's no one in me field that you could genuinely put your hand on your heart and just go oh no he's Kane as a psyche you'd listen to offers no I'm asking you and I know people will go but what I'm saying in everything I'm saying is if there's an opportunity to get money for players and improve and then we can go and get the real players we need of course that's what I'm talking about then everyone should be saleable and shouldn't be really if you're talking about that you don't want to sell that you don't want to sell Lucidine or Mason Howlgate and we don't need to buy in this position we're 11 in the Premier League we need to buy in it I don't think I'm always one for strikers but I don't think I don't think we're desperate for a striker but Jesus a sense of me failed I don't think we're desperate for one we're not desperate for a centre back really now Gabrielle come in be left side and you give a balance and all that rest of it but then you have to sell one of the money unless you push Mason into midfield but there's zero there's nobody now that I would sit there and go and there would be a time when like Andre Gomez but I don't know I'm just thinking and what sort of the thing with Andre Gomez as well is it's not anything against him of course it's not but it's almost like because the season is coming up so fast for next season you do wonder where where he's going to get that from and I'm I'd prefer hand on heart to being two centre backs and Andre Gomez to say that would be I'd prefer that because there's still things to play but if needs be then I would and Delph can go Shen Towson that's the you don't want to be selling pleasure in the first thing you want to be selling pleasure on the sad lines but I don't know it's very very difficult and I really really hope that there's a big white board somewhere there's a thing there with all these players because honestly the idea of it being a bloody blank piece of paper somewhere with like you should go for the lads that's the most worrying thing you think brands that have that the empty lot he will have been going through I think you look on it they will they know he's not just the empty lot he knows he knows what to do so very very disappointing anyway there you go this has been a traumatic final word not as traumatic as I'm a field but yeah a lot of you know listen another game in a couple of days to focus on probably we see response from the players and we can get the three points it's gone now it's gone there's all the line under it and go right we've got it's the final word the game is you know thirsty now all the focus says to that because we need it a big game we need the three points there you go big thanks for everyone who commented over on our page as this video 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