 Run it up, do run it back. Run it up, do run it back. Run it up. Good Thursday morning. Welcome to Run It Back right here on Bandule TV. My name's Michelle. Chandler, Lou, and Shams joining us from his castle in Chicago. We love when he joins us from there. There he is. What's up, buddy? What's going on? That's not peppy. Where's the energy? Where's the energy? Where's the energy? It's our Friday, Shams. You guys have all the energy. I'm just trying to get down here. Today is our Friday. No, it's not. We have a show tomorrow. All right, so we're going to do things a little differently today because things went down last night in the league that are kind of special. Malachi Flynn, with a 50-pointer last night, yaited off the bench. It was a loss. We don't need to concentrate on that. But it's tied for the second most point, scored off the bench in a game behind only Jamal Crawford and tied with Nick Anderson, 10th player to drop at least 50 this season. In his fourth NBA season, he joins us now. Malachi Flynn, fresh, fresh off of that 50-pointer list. Hell of a game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well done. Well done. Thank you. Thank you. When you woke up yesterday morning, did anything feel different to you? If you're into this Mercury retrograde stuff, maybe that affected you, but did you feel 50? Nah, it was a regular day, to be honest. I mean, I just went out there and it just, it all started clicking. Yeah. How do you know, like after which point, I've always wondered this, I'm going to ask you guys too, but after which point are you like, hmm, something's going on today. I like this. I mean, it felt good from the start. I mean, I came out, got some easy buckets, got to the free throw line, but I mean, I looked up in the fourth quarter and it said 45 and I was like, oh, I didn't even realize. And then it just, I just kept going and try to get to 50 and ended up getting it. So a night like that happens, does your phone, does it feel different? Does it blow up differently? Are there people you haven't heard from in a minute? The DMs just jumped in. I mean, that's what I'm trying to ask. Yeah, the DMs going crazy right there. Don't even look. Don't even look. Nah, they're lying. I didn't respond to everybody. I got back to family and friends, the ones that I've been connected with all year, but haven't been able to tap in with everybody. I'm not sure what your schedule is, but did you have an opportunity to stay at ATL and celebrate? I know a place. You know what I'm saying? I know a spot. What's it called? Yeah. We did stay tonight. I was with the OG, Taz, you know what I'm saying? We got some food. We had a good time, so it was cool. Yeah. Yeah. Sounds about right. Sounds about right. That's true. Yes, indeed. Now, Kai, I know you and Dejante Murray actually share a trainer named Jingles. Tell me about that relationship. Was there any extra motivation, any extra class talk you guys had? Yeah, Jingles. That's his nickname, man. Shout out Jingles from New York. But now I want to say extra motivation. You know what I mean? For me, I'm just trying to take advantage of every opportunity. It's kind of been up and down for me throughout my whole career. So any opportunity that I have, I just try to take advantage. And, you know, Dejante has always been there just for support for whatever. Let me know if I need anything. So he's been a real good, he's a real good dude. So just having that connection has been good for me. Malachi, you haven't yet started for the Detroit Pistons, but after dropping a 50 ball, do you think we get the nod tomorrow night in Memphis or how do we feel about that? I don't know, man. Whatever happens, I'll be ready. I think we've been doing a decent job. We've been competing. We've been at some games. We're just trying to get some more wins. So we'll see what happens. All right. I'm going to ask you this because there are people, I won't name any, that called this the most surprising 50-point game in quite some time. When you hear that, are you angry? Are you surprised? Are you like, well, it makes sense. I mean, I get it. It makes sense. I mean, I think I average in what five points on a year. So I mean, it makes sense. But I mean, for me, I always felt like I could do some of these things. It's hard to say that until you do it. But for me, it's just testament to the work I put in. I feel like so I get it when they say it's the most surprising. Don't take that the wrong way, bro. You had 50 in the NBA game. 50 is a 50. That did not. So that is a huge accomplishment no matter what's happened before or no matter what's going to happen after. Kind of amazing. Thanks. Maokai, you started the year in Toronto. You were first round picked there. Then you traded the Knicks and now you're in Detroit. You get traded again to the Pistons. What's the season been like for you? Obviously a lot of movement overall. And you trying to get an opportunity seemed like everyone on the bench was super thrilled for you, happy for you, for you to get that moment. But what's all the movement been like for you this season? Yeah, it's been crazy. I mean, being traded twice in the same year is definitely not what I thought coming into this year and didn't see either one coming. So for me, just rolling with the punches and like I said before, just continuing to work and just being ready for when opportunity calls. And I think I've kind of had to do that my whole career. So just just trying to keep continuing to do that. Just having a 50 ball in the NBA game, does that give you kind of sticking it to the teams like Toronto and New York that had you? Do you feel like you didn't get a fair opportunity, especially in Toronto? I would say yeah, but for more, more for me is just for myself to be honest. Just kind of showing myself that I can do some of those things. I don't think it's a fluke in any way. So I think for more, it's just proving it to myself that I know I belong and I can do some things here. Toronto and New York, bro, it's not just them two teams. You put the whole league on notice. It's going to say, I think a lot of people last night were like, oh, they all are talking about you in the game and what you can do in this league. So that's a big time game. Do we love, we appreciate you coming on with us this morning after such a big night. Thanks for the time, Malachi. Put another 50 on this. Yeah, exactly. Appreciate ya. Tell them I said hi. Appreciate ya, man. Thanks for Chandler. All right, see ya. All right, around the league. What the heck speaking of Memphis? Yeah, no game, but come on now. Bucks lose to the Grizzlies 111-101. Remember, they just lost to the Wizards as well. They are 41 and 112, the two teams that they just lost to. 41 and 112, that ain't good. Both games, no game, but 15 and 14 with Doc. 13 with Griffin, two and one with Prunty. I just threw that in there for your own sake. Shout out Prunty. I know, shout out Joe. Panic button. Look, what is today, April something? You can't hit the panic button now. Well, here's the thing. Everybody besides the Boston Celtics in the Eastern Conference should be hitting the panic button for a long time now, right? I think it's them versus the field. And I would still take the Boston Celtics like our guy Ryan said last night. It's tough. They're that much better than everybody else. The Bucks, the whole inconsistency for me is what drives me crazy. These last two losses, whatever, towards the end of the season, you see games like this. You see the Thunder Lose by 30 last night. No one plays. Last night, the Bucks are missing Damian Lillard and Chris Middleton. So yeah, you don't want to have these kind of stale, taste in your mouth at this time of the year. But at the end of the day, they have shown strides. They have shown that they're probably the second best team in the Eastern Conference. Probably. My thing is they don't want to fall to four. Because you want to get to the Eastern Conference finals and you want to be able to play the Celtics. You don't want to have to play them second round. You don't want to land to catch you. And they're a hot team right now. But yeah, the inconsistency and the health of Yanis, obviously, is the major concern. If he's banged up, if he's not 100%, put him on the let him get 100% healthy, just like Philly just did. Make sure he's good come post-season. Because these games right now, you see a lot of teams. We have 10 days left. I know, but I'm just saying, why rush and play? You're losing these teams anyways. If he's out there just struggling and not banged up, let him fully get healthy. I'm with Chandler on that. My only concern for the Milwaukee Bucks is chemistry, rhythm. You want to go into the post-season confident that you're prepared for any matchup that comes your way. You don't want to go in limping. You don't want to have guys banged up out of rhythm trying to figure it out game one, game two. You mess around and lose game one and lose home court advantage. This puts you in a completely different situation than before. So I think these last six games, the Milwaukee Bucks, they got to tighten up, tighten their screws up and go into this thing with some confidence. Shams, they both mentioned Yanis there. And Doc also expressing some concern about the health of Yanis. What do we need to be worried about here? There's a lot of wear and tear for showing Yanis into the Google. I mean, he's been playing through this hamstring issue over the last several weeks as well. I mean, there's been times where he's warmed up, has struggled to get past even a warm-up exercise drill or two, and then ends up sending the game. So definitely, there's got to be concern anytime Yanis is dealing with that. But this is a tough player. He's going to get through it even last night when it looked like maybe he should sub out. Doc Rivers set out for the game. I thought about even just pulling the plug, but Yanis wanted to stay in the game. So I think this is more wear and tear. But to me, guys, the craziest stat for the Buc season, we know about Doc Rivers. His record as head coach is 15 and 15. There were 30 and 13 under Adrian Griffin. But the craziest stat to me is without Damien Lillard this season, this is a one in seven basketball team. This is a team that just struggles to get any offense. And to me, that's a sign they don't have great point guard play on this team outside of Damien Lillard. Last night, also Patrick Beverly sat that game. They could have used him last night playing point guard. So when those two guys are out, I think they started Pat Conniton. He played significant point guard minutes. So the hope is he's back soon. He's dealing with a groin issue. But there's not concern over it. I would expect him to be back relatively soon. It is true. It's not the Phoenix Suns where they don't need a point guard because they have three absolute unbelievable ISO players. When this team goes down with Damien Lillard and they can pack the pain against Yanis and Chris Middleton's banged up, that changes their entire dynamic. So that is different when it comes to them versus other teams. They don't have the luxury of the depth. Patrick Beverly is valuable. And he's got, I think he needs surgery, but he's opted not to have it. He's trying to play through it. But besides those two guys, there's not another point guard. Beasley can't really play point guard. Middleton, Crowded, these guys aren't even two guards. It's tough. So I think that is the biggest difference because when you can weigh in in the half court offense, you can take what Yanis does great away and transition and moving the ball and it pushes in the pace. But you don't have a point guard doing that. It's tough. That's what I was going to say. Maybe they have to go back to the old style of Yanis bringing the ball up, grabbing rebounds and bringing it up and then start playing a little bit more transition basketball. And for them to do that, they got to get stops. They got to be able to run out and play in the open court. Right now, they haven't been able to do that. So that's kind of forced them to find their rhythm in the half court. And they've struggled a little bit with that. But with Dane back, like I said, my biggest concern for this team is just rhythm and confidence going into the postseason. They got a little time left. And I think Dane's coming back. Yeah, he was just out of like a one-in-one. It seemed like it's anything too serious. So that's my thing. Get healthy, get 100% going into the postseason, and get your matchup that's favorable for you. The other team in the east, the one that seems to be head and shoulders above, Celtics. No issues with Oklahoma City last night, 135-100. Yes, they have the best record in the league. 60 wins. Christophs Porzingis led the entire way there. Jason Tatum had 24. There was no SGA. There was no Jaylen Williams on the OKC side of this. But we're going to concentrate on Christophs Porzingis here with the 27 points. 11 of 14 from the field. As we get closer and closer to the postseason, when you look at them and you look at Christophs Porzingis, what's he bringing to the Celtic team? Well, I think it's just a different dynamic. You know how good the duo is. I think Brown and Tatum, we know how good their mid-ranges. They're off the block post-up, their iso game. Now you put KP in there, who can pick and pop, who can get the switch on the pick and roll, take a smaller guy in the post, kind of do his little dirt face-up shoot over him. So he gives that kind of stretch for that they really haven't had in a long time. Portford's been great for them. But this is another third great option that can go and get you 30 points and can go and dominate a smaller guy. That just gives them a perfect mix to kind of stretch the floor when you play with these iso players like Tatum and Brown. So when he's healthy, there's never been a question about his game. Even when he first came out, was drafted. When he's healthy, he can play. He's talented, he's so tall, he's long. He can do it all with the ball. So he has been great for them. He's been him and Derek White are almost just important. Andrew Holliday has obviously been a huge addition. This starting five when they're healthy, you can see they're the best team in the NBA, the best record in the NBA. They're landslide better than anybody in the east. So it's going to come down to literally who gets out of this deep west to play them in the finals, in my opinion. There you go, Jalen Brown with the words. More you see of that guy, less we lose. It seems pretty good formula, Lou. I got a good question for you. Which team would you rather have over the next five years? It's going to be the Boston Celtics. Over Thunder. Absolutely. The Boston Celtics, they have the mindset of championship or bust right now. And that's the mindset you want. Right now, OKC Thunder, they're growing. They're figuring it out. They're happy with where they are. They're happy with the growth. The Boston Celtics are dead serious on winning the championship, you know what I mean? So to have a core like that, to have guys like that moving forward in the next five years with that mindset, with that talent, I'm going to take the guys who are ready to go right now. Yeah, it's kind of like our question yesterday. Who do you like, Yolket or Wimby? You know what you're going to get with the Boston Celtics. Have they won the big game yet, the big series? No, but I know Tatum and Brown. They're 21, 27, 20-year-old KP. Besides Horford and Drew Holiday. I'll take Jason Tatum from 27 and 32. They're technically in their prime. Thunder are young. They're on the rise, for sure. But they still have a lot of things to figure out. They still have a lot to grow. Five years. But I still think, five years, Tatum is 32. This is the best window for these guys. He's still going to be the best player of the NBA. So I think five-year window, it's tough. Ten years, I'm going Thunder. Sure, ten years is different. Also, who knows who's going to be on the team? I don't know what's going to happen for you, but yeah, I'm going to help. This Boston Celtics team are already in up to have championship runs for the next two or three seasons. There's half of your five right there. They're prime to go right now. The Thunder, they're still some time now. Have they made some incredible strides? Absolutely. Do they have a lot of young talent? Absolutely. But it's still unproven in the postseason. We don't know what their aspiration is. Obviously, everybody's going to have aspirations to win a championship. But the Boston Celtics are dead serious. So they're dead set on this. Not to mention that. OK, C's been at the top of the West for flip-flopping back and forth. I would think after this season, their priorities will change. They won't be happy to be there. I think going into next season, I think their goal this year is to win a championship. They think they can beat anybody. They've had a great year. And I think going into next year, a year older, they're going to have even bigger expectations. But realistically, the Celtics right now this year have a way better chance of winning the championship right now than the Thunder do. All right, SGA, he's missed four of the last five shams. This is not what people want to hear. What's the latest? Yeah, it's a quad contusion. I mean, I don't sense great concern, but this is the end of the season. They want to make sure he's right for the playoffs. This is going to be the first full playoff run for this group. So I think they're just being cautious with it. Jaylen Williams as well. He's got an ankle issue. Not having those two guys in their lineup, you just don't have a realistic chance to be the team like Boston. But the hope is in OKC that both players will be back relatively soon. By the way, this is the time of year where you don't unless it's something serious, which it's not. This is just simply rest. Just getting their rest because you are where you are. Yeah. And now we wait. I'm good with it. As long as it's not something bigger and that you have to worry about. Let's move on because Devon Booker is not deja vu guys. This is happening again. He had 40 last night this time in a win over the Cavs, which means in the last two games, he's got 92 points. They've won six of their last eight and they're sitting in sixth right now in the West. I hate doing this because, you know, who wants to pick? But I'm going to ask anyway, is Devon Booker the son's best player at the moment? No, I'm at the moment. Sure. This week. Yeah. But no, this week, I take it unbelievable. But again, it doesn't matter with this team, because when you have those two players, they can take turns. It doesn't it doesn't matter. They're both so elite at what they do, they both can score the ball in just an array of ways. But yeah, Devon Booker, when he gets going like last night, he's just got that that just look in his eye where he can get to a spot. He's going to score, you know, he gunned down to three at the last couple of minutes of the game last night to get 40. But no, I think Kevin Durant is their best player. I think Kevin Durant needs to be their best player for them to reach their potential this year, but books been unbelievable. You agree, Lou? Absolutely. And that's what makes the Phoenix Sun strong. That's what makes him a tough team, right? You can you can interchange these guys from weekend to week out. One week, Kevin Durant is going to be your best player. One week, Devon Booker is going to be your best player. Devon Booker is playing out of his mind right now. So if you're the Phoenix Suns, why not feature him until this this flame run out? And then you can go back to this guy and we're not even mentioning Bradley Bale, what he can bring to the table. Should we mention Bradley Bale? I think we should. That is my that is my biggest concern. And watching this came last night. I didn't like his body language. They're they're blowing out a team. They are cooking the calves. And you could see he's a little deflated. He's not running to a spot. He's sitting there almost patronizing a little bit like what he's doing to their offense. I didn't like it. It was the first time I've really took a deep dive and watched their games. And again, look, they're not winning as much as they thought they would or I thought they would. He's never been a third option in his career. And I think that is taken 20. Look, he's ever just 17 points. He's actually having pretty efficient year 50 and 39. But I can just tell I can tell I know him. He's my Gator guy. I could he's he doesn't love it. He does something's off. Listen, this is the first time he had to make this type of adjustment. Even when he played with John Wall, he was still the guy that was going to score the basketball for them. You know, John was more of the leader, more of the floor general, but Bradley Bill was the guy that they leaned on to go get them a bucket. Now he's in a position where he's kind of turned into a standstill shooter, kind of one of those one of those guys and and Chandler mentioned it yesterday about his body language. But I've seen this a while ago. So I just figured this was just, you know, him going through the motions of the season getting ready for the postseason and just being bored. I'm telling you, he's not the type of guy where this is going to be like an issue. He's not like disrupt the locker room. But I think in his head, OK, we have Kevin Durant and Devin Booker and me and Grayson Allen run to the corners. That's how that's how it felt watching him last night. So I think he definitely wants more. I think he deserves more. He's obviously been banged up, but you can just tell he's not stoked. Things to keep our eye on, Shams. Did you have the same takeaway or did you have something else that you noticed in the game? My takeaway is just when the Suns have this level of focus, they can beat anyone. They beat Denver the last week or so. They beat New Orleans in New Orleans. They beat the Cavs. Those are three, obviously, playoff teams, high caliber teams. But then you lose to teams like OKC without Shea. And then you lose to the Spurs without Victor Omaniyama. So just the ebbs and flows that this Suns team has. I don't know if it's when you when you're so talented like they are, is it complacency? I don't know what kicks in. But for them, the biggest thing is now getting into that position where you're not in the play-in. You're not fighting for a play-in spot where you're you have a concern if you're the Suns going into a play-in tournament. If you can't get by the seven or eight seed and then you have to play a team like the Warriors and Lakers, of course, there's got to be concern. So now they seem to be locking in either five or six. And then from there, you're either playing OKC, Minnesota, the Clippers, and that gives you a lot more confidence going into the playoffs. Yeah, and this stretch, this stretch, basically it's going to give them the opportunity to either go and get that for sure, succeed and possibly play the Thunder, who, again, I kind of like them in that series. So I think they're a better team in Sacramento. I think they're a better team than New Orleans. I think they're just now starting to show it. They're just now kind of reaching their potential. But this is the version of the Suns that we want to see all year long and consistently. And they've all done their parts and bits and pieces throughout the season. But when they combine it and they all play together, Narcige is getting 15-15 and Grayson is hitting five threes. Royce O'Neill is hitting, you know, they have it. They have it and they're starting to show it. They have a tough stretch coming up, obviously. But this is the deal breaker time. This isn't the time that they sit people like Milwaukee and like Oklahoma City. This is when they go guns blazing and they try and get that 60. Yeah, that's their schedule. It's not one of the better ones to have anyway. Shoms, love you, mean it. See you Monday. No, you'll be here tomorrow. What a show today. You'll be here tomorrow. I had so much fun. You seem to be bringing the energy out. Look at you. There it is. Oh, there it is. We'll check back in next week with you. We'll check back in with you tomorrow. I swear, Chaley, if you're not here in the morning, we're going to take a quick break when we come back. Two time champ. Spur. Malik Rose joins the show. With a mouth, because you make a cloud. With a short zone on the skin, tight jeans. She get a round of applause. All I do is win. It was worth some of the best days of my life. Malik Rose, two time champ with the Spurs. Also played in a bunch of other places, but we like to concentrate on the Spurs here on this show. How you doing, buddy? I'm doing great. Good to see you, Chell. What's up, fellas? This is awesome. How we doing? This is awesome. Look, it's that time of year. So before we get to the NBA side of things, we always want to talk to anybody who's had the experience of March Madness. You obviously had. You won a game with Drexel there. So you know what's up, 96. For you, what was it like? Having that whole hoopla around you? Man, it was great, the year we won it, my senior year. We had kind of got embarrassed, my sophomore and junior year, years before. But finally getting over the hump, being a good Memphis State team that year. It was just great, a lot of great memories, culmination of a lot of hard work. And we did something that had never been done before at Drexel. So still remembering like it was yesterday. Was Penny on that team? Was that a Penny year, or was he gone already? No, Penny, we probably would have lost if Penny was on that team. But no, they had Renz and Wright. They had Cedric Henderson, Chris Johnson. They had a couple of pros, so it was a good team. And they were actually picked to come out in that region. But we got lucky and upset on that day. Eight seasons in San Antonio, two of those, of course, championship years. Tim Duncan, finals MVP for both. I can't get enough of Tim Duncan's stories just because he's such a mysterious man. But for you, what made him so special? I don't know. I think we just came around at the same time, same age and same likes and all that stuff. We kind of bonded over video games. And people know Tim is this quiet guy. And this doesn't really say much, but you know, Beto. Like, Tim has a great sense of humor. And one of the stories I tell about him is Tim is godfather to my son. And my son's name is Miles. But we used to play like Madden football every day. And he wanted me to make it. That was like my favorite game. He wanted me to name my son Madden. And I never would do that. And to this day, he doesn't call his godson Miles. He just calls him Madden. That's just a little thing about how Tim is. That's what he wanted. And that's what he's going to have. When we all have these discussions, and we meaning just all media, I feel like his name is either forgotten or purposely left out so many times when we talk about the greats. Do you find that as well? And why do you think it is? I mean, there are a lot of greats out there. And this is a, you know, this subject is very subjective. It's like, you know, depending on the day of the week and who you ask, who's going to be voted the best. I think Tim is the best power forward of all time. And, you know, whether you want to put him in history, I don't really care. And I know he doesn't care. I'm just really happy I had a chance to play with him and get to know him both on and off the court, because he is a great player, great person, like many of the greats that came before us. And, you know, like I said, he doesn't care. I think he's the best. And there were plenty of times I wanted to kind of push him down a flight of stairs so he could sit on the side and not get some minutes. That's what I remember. Well, I agree with you. I think he's the greatest power forward of all time. And he's mostly known as this quiet, laid-back guy, right? But you've heard some stories now coming out, how he's actually hilarious, how he talks trash, KG and Boogie cousins have had great stories. Did you hear any of that playing with him or against him? Or do you have any good stories about him just talking crazy trash that we would not expect? No, but it's funny. So, you know, the KG stories, they take on a life of themselves. But the Boogie cousins ones, I didn't know. Boogie is funny. Like the way he tells those stories, and it's funny because I remember going through them in practice, you know, you're going, your heart is trying to score at him. And, you know, he'll, he'll, good try, good try, young fella, or like he was right. Like Tim would always hold you down on your shoulder when you go to jump and block the shot. He was a great shot blocker, but that made him even better. But it's funny. I didn't know, you know, Boogie had that type of sense of humor, but he is spot on when he talks about the stuff Tim used to say and that would piss you off cause he would never, you know, you know, say it in a bad way or in a angry way. He just talking his low, mild mannered voice while he's dropping you off and it just makes you that much more angry. That's like perfect. I hate it when someone's calm but killing me at the same time. The pranking stuff, I love a good prank. Did he get you with Oreos? Nah, man. That's a source, that's a source. Is that Oreos legend? What is that? That means yes. All right, so he was good at the pranks but one guy, Danny Ferry, Danny Ferry on the team so I had just got this new BMW. Like, that was like my baby. So anyway, long story short, you know how hot it is in San Antonio but it's like one of those summer days, you know how they pour popcorn in your car sometimes. So this idiot who's, you know, still a friend of this day but this idiot puts Oreos on the outside of my car. windshield top back and forth. They get melted in, the car's ruined. Man, I was livid. Anyway, so you know, if the sun passes but it wasn't as good as it is but how I got them back, I put an app to sell his car in the paper and I said he was shipping out to sea, must sell immediately, put his personal phone number in the paper and people were calling him 10 night trying to get his car because I put it at a real low price. Putting the phone number in is brutal. That'll sound like good times. Malik, I want to ask you of the two championships that you won with the Spurs, does one mean more than the other? They're both special. 99 was the first one of course but I would say 03 is probably more special to me because I got more time then. I went from probably getting 10, 15 minutes of games, again about 25 minutes a game that year. So that one was special and I think it was more special because we ended the Lakers three-peat, the Lakers were dominating, they were beating everybody and they beat us pretty good the year before and to be able to go in there and end their three-peat on their home port was really, really special to me. The 99 championship, like people love to sort of knock on the Spurs, there's a nerdy vibe that comes out of San Antonio and I can't even defend it against this next photo because here you guys are on the plane playing video games with the trophy. What a time. Is that Sean? Oh, this is, by the way. Yeah, so many chords. What do y'all play? This is nerdy, Malik, this is bad. Do you want to defend it? No, it's not, that's who we were, man. Like a lot of people play cards on a plane and we kind of tethered up our computers and played this game called Starcraft. It was the best, of course. Starcraft and Warcraft and eventually, we got into League of Legends and all that, but back then it was Starcraft and dude, it didn't stop on the plane. Like we would, if we could have played on the bus, we would have, but we, when we got back to the hotel rooms, that's like really all we did. It's a, I don't know if any of you have ever played it, but Starcraft, Warcraft, all those Blizzard games are like amazing. Like just like, you know, they can go on forever and we love them. So no, I don't want to defend it. That's who we were, but it was kind of corny. By the way, even kids now on road games, they'll bring their little consoles and they'll brief kit. Way less chords than in that picture. Completely different, completely different game. Now they got a whole briefcase flow. Yeah, it's a little more high-tech, but they're doing it, they're playing Call of Duty. They're doing it. It's, it's, it's still going, I must say it's the same thing. You guys were trailblazing. But Malik, yeah. Is it true that David Robinson bought every one Rolexes after that championship? Uh-huh. Yeah, man. The thing about David, like David, yeah, but David is probably the dumbest smart guy I know. But he literally contest on the genius level. And I say that with love because there were plenty of times like Dave would, we'd come out of a huddle and he'd like, you know, leaky. What, what a pop just draw. What are we running? Like, damn, Dave is a play for you. But, like, you know, so that year he, he had a million dollar clause, I think in this contract that if we won the championship, he got a million dollars. So actually while we were back on the point, we were on the plane playing Starcraft, he said, I think I just want, got a million dollars. I'm just like, what are you talking about? We won the championship, I got a million dollars. I'm like, are you serious? It's like, I'm buying all of you Rolexes. And I'm just like, this guy, man, like. That's a good deal. You know, that's a nice problem to have, but that's typical Dave. Do you still have that watch? Yeah, I still have it. Yay! Rollies never go out, guys. You gotta keep the difference. To Vince's fees. By the way, it's, let's be nice to buy a teammate a Rolex, guys. Let's keep that in mind, Chandler. Right, Chandler. All right, thank you. Christmas is right around the corner. Yeah, just think about that. All right, so back in the day, there was that story that Popovich was almost fired 99 and that Doc was gonna come in. What did you guys know of that, if anything? Well, I, if I could speak for myself, I didn't know anything. Obviously, Tim and Dave knew something because, all right. So everybody, Chandler and Lou, they'll notice like, you have your regular routine that you go through as a team, like pregame. And every time we would, you know, bring it in before a game, I'll never forget it. We were at Houston. We were six and eight, struggling at Houston. And Avery, Avery Johnson was the one that usually brought us in. All right, guys, let's bring it in. Let's, you know, get it together. That day, Dave brought us in. And, you know, I'm second, third year in the league. I'm playing around before the game or whatever. And Dave grabbed me one time. He grabbed me and put that grown mass strength on me. It's that league cut that BS out, but he didn't say BS. So anybody that knows Dave is like, when he's cursed, he's serious. So I'm like, wait a minute. So like, like, I just remember Dave brought us in, said, it's a serious game. We need to get this one guys. We go out, blah, blah, blah. He went out and he led us to victory. But later on, you hear the story. And I know it to be true because Dave brought us in that day and he was a person, man. And he's, my arm still hurts from when he grabbed me before the game. What's crazy is I was 25 years ago and he still knew that there were six and eight at that time, right? I know, that's, the memory server. Listen, I've always been fascinated with pop. Never got an opportunity to play for him, but I've always admired him from a distance. What was it like playing for him? Do you have any good, what's your best pop story? Man, some I can't say on air or whatever, but it's a great plan for pop. Like same with Tim. Everyone thinks Tim is one way because they see him on the camera. Same thing with pop. Like pop, you know, back then we called him short hair pop. Like there are two pops in, for anyone that's in San Antonio. You got short hair pop, which is before we won anything. And he's, you know, killing us three hour practices, two hour film sessions. And then there's long hair pop, who's like, oh, you get a day off. Take it easy. You know, minutes, minutes restrict you or whatever. So back then it was short hair pop. But the thing that I love about pop is, he's, you know, he's true. He's like, it's no middle ground with him. You know, you're going to know where you stand with him at all times. So it's like he never, you know, lies to you or sugarcoats things. He shoots from the hip and that's, you know, as players, we love that. Just let me know where I stand with you. Let me know what I need to do to get on the court or whatever. And he'll tell you that. But he sews into you. He sews into his players, both on and off the court. And as Beatles said, you know, I only played there eight years. I still live down there, but, you know, I can call him right now. He'd answer the phone if I had a problem. Like, you know, he sends Christmas cards and all that stuff. So it's like, he's just real. And it goes beyond basketball when you're one of his players. And that's what I treasure most, just the ability to be able to be able to call him and talk to him about anything, anytime of day. He is definitely in long hair pop mode now. Like between last year with Jeremy Sohan, it was like his kid. Then you get Wemby, a once in a generation player. I don't know if you took as much joy out of that happening as I did. But right now when you look at Wemby, where do you see him in the landscape and do you see a world in which, you know, he's going to be the guy in this league? He's almost the guy now. I mean, that's the scary part. Like the guy is just from a skill standpoint off the charts. He might be the most skilled, what, 19 year old or 20 however old he is, 19 year old I've ever seen in my life. And it's scary how good he could be. I'm just anxious to see his progression. And I think he hit the jackpot. I mean, yeah, the Spurs hit the jackpot getting him. But I think he hit the jackpot with a coach like Popovitz because he's going to get the most out of them. They've gone the French route before with Tony Parker you know, the great success. So I think the sky's the limit for him. I'm anxious to see what his career pans out. I just hope, you know, you know, he avoids all bad stuff or whatever, you know, just hope he gets a chance to maximize what looks to be just otherworldly talent. Malik, could he be the best spur of all time? Whoa. Like if he stays healthy and avoiding all that stuff. Obviously we know Tim, David, Parker, Gervin. Could he be? Does he have to win five, six times? How does he get there? That's not on there now. Definitely winning. You have to win and, you know, by all accounts, he's going to be able to do that. That's like if we're projecting and all things, you know, in a nirvana world, yes, he could be. But like as we know, he has some big shoes to fill. There are a lot of greats that came before him in San Antonio that have a lot of hardware and a lot of just cashier in that town. So he has a long way to go before he can do that. But if anybody can do it, I will put my money on him because of just how talented and how young he is. And he's got long hair pop, who has all the experience in the world guiding his career. Long hair pops the one. Also, Malik, I wanted to ask you when David Robinson was out back in the day and you were, and you'd go small, you would sometimes play center, you know, at six, six, six, seven. How was it guarding, yeah, how was it? Would it be perfect now? You'd be a perfect small ball of five. How was it guarding guys like, like Shaq, you know, at that size? Man, I mean, you could call it center or whatever. Like back then, you know, I was on non-guaranteed contracts as well. So it was like, whoever he told me to go guard is who I tried to stop because if I didn't, I was gonna get cut. But no, those are some of the best times because in a weird way, I would root for those games. We played like Shaq or we played Dirk or Sheed, KG, any of those powerful forces, those guys in the West because, you know, if Dave did, you know, have his back tighten up or whatever and he couldn't go, I would get more minutes. So I loved it because I got a chance to play. Playing behind the Twin Towers isn't easy because they're the two greatest players on the team and they're gonna get the lion's share of the minutes. So I did a lot of sitting early in my career, but those days, Dave went out. I absolutely loved them. Going up against Shaq, as painful as it was, I looked forward to it because I was gonna get minutes. Was Shaq the hardest player to guard back then? No, no, no, Shaq and Shaq is the greatest. Like, you know, he's the diesel, he was tough to guard, but, you know, I had a lower center of gravity, so for my job, I'm not saying I stopped Shaq, but the job I had to do, it was team defense. So my job when I guarded Shaq was just not to let him get angles for a dump, just make him have to put it down. The minute he put it down, we were coming with a double. So my job was over. The hardest person for me to guard and it goes back to high school. I hated this guy, because he ended my high school career too, was Rashid Wallace. And it was simply because Rashid was seven feet. He shot it from up here. He didn't play with the ball. Like, guys that used to play with the ball, I could get up into him and make it tough. But if he just caught it turned and shot, I was done. And she did that every time. Like, I couldn't stop him. I hated him. Let's talk the poster, Dunk, you had on Matumbo, 2003 finals. Do you remember this? Does it pop in your head, random? I mean, I feel like it would if a normal person was able to pull something like that off. But for you, does this cross your mind occasionally? God, you should have wiggled the finger at me. Yeah, I know. And did you think about doing the finger? No, I thought about it. So right before that we were in a huddle and Pop got on us and he yelled at me for something. I think Kenyan Martin got like an offensive rebound or something. And as I said, you know, Tim and Dave are there. So if I make the mistake, my minutes are limited. So I wanted to wave the finger, but I'm like if I get a tech pop that's going to bench me for the rest of the finals, I'm not going to do it. But it felt really good. Funny story with that. So, you know, I have the picture, obviously, but so we went to basketball without borders in South Africa. And I don't know if any of you have been to South Africa with Matumbo. He is like, you know, three Michael Jorns or Michael Jackson and then Obama over there. He is like, right? So I took 150 of the pictures over there and I gave them all to the campers. So he always does like an autograph signing. So he's thinking the campers are coming up with pictures. I mean, it's all paper. They all had the picture of my poster on them. And in this fashion, he laughed or whatever and played it off. He signed them. But no, that was a great dump. See, that's a good prank. That is a perfectly executed prank. Malik, this has been awesome to catch up. I appreciate the time. Thank you so much. No, thanks for having me. Take care, guys. That I would remember it every day. Tyler Hans, bro. He's up next, y'all. He's back. He agreed to come back. Psycho team. We got some updates we got to get to, brother. Yeah, we do. Dang it. Music selection. I'm telling you, he's back. Tyler Hans rose back. And by the way, since you were on Last Tyler, Luz become a country music aficionado. I have. I have. I've been doing my Google. He's all over Morgan Walla. He's listening. He's posting on his story. I'm going to get you the stagecoach. Right before my, oh, you're not taught to control. Yeah, he's here with us now. OK, look, we're just not going to waste any more time. What the hell, dude? What happened in North Carolina? Hey, we can't win them all. Yeah, you know, Carolina, we just reload. We had a great year, but obviously Alabama, you got to give them a lot of credit. They can get hot. Grant Nelson went off. He was an X factor, but when a team gets high like that and we had some guys didn't have their best game, it happens. So now, how does this work? So you lose to Alabama. NC State still alive. I don't know. It's obviously not the kind of hatred that you have towards a Duke, for example. But can you root for NC State? Like, who do you root for now? Somebody asked me that question the other day. And I don't think there's ever a scenario in my life where I'll be rooting for NC State. I've enjoyed the run that they've gone on. And I've enjoyed watching them. But rooting for them would be a stretch for me. OK, that's fair. All right, Tyler, let's talk Final Four here. Of those two, I guess Cinderella's, Lower States, NC State, Bama, who has gotten the best chance to get to the Natty? Well, I would say Yukon, for sure. I don't think many people are going to disagree with me. They're an absolute juggernaut. They have a lot of talent, and it's going to take a heck of an off night for Alabama to really beat them. They've kind of steamrolled through this whole tournament. And then when I go to Purdue and NC State, I've really enjoyed the run that NC State's going on. But they're going to have to play outside themselves to beat Purdue. Obviously, Zackeity has dominated every team that he's played against, and he's been an incredible player all year. So I would say Purdue and Yukon in the National Championship. If Yukon wins this title, do you look at them as a top five college basketball team of all time? No, I do not. I don't think their run has been. I don't think the quality of the teams that they played, I think they've had the easiest road of about any team. And that's not a knock on Yukon. They're still a great team, and it's hard to really compare past teams. But they have kind of steamrolled, and they've been dominant all year. I would have to look at a lot of other teams, but I don't consider them a top team of all time. Question about the big dudes. If you were an NBA team, put your GM hat on. Would you take a chance on DJ Burns? Is Edie the guy? What do you do here? Well, I'm a big man. So obviously, I still think there's a lot of value in having a quality big man. And if I am a GM, I would give Zac Edie a look for sure. I think his size and the way he's improved over the years says a lot about him. And the way he moves and runs for a 7-4 guy has really improved. I mean, you would think him to be a little bit robotic, but absolutely not. He's got soft hands around the rim. He shoots a decent free throw percentage. And he also, he impacts the game around the rim. He challenges a lot of shots. He makes guys, even if he doesn't block it, he makes them change their shot to, you know, he's a big guy down low, and his presence inside is too big to really ignore. So how would you try to guard him or stop him at all? Physically. Cycle too, right? Cycle too, right there. You got to look at that. But actually, Edie, he's big. I would like to run him. And I think you would have to run him, put him in fast breaks, make him guard on the perimeter, especially with modern basketball, as you would make him guard in a lot of pick and rolls and try to expose him and bring him outside. That would be the way that I would try to, you know, make him work. I like that. Oh, is it my turn? It's still my turn. I'm the worst. I was, like, distracted. No, I want to talk to women. I don't know if people have been having a fun time with this argument. I certainly have had some arguments myself about it. But the women's game this year has been huge. And the numbers don't lie. They say what they say. Katelyn Clark has obviously been the face about that. Have you gotten into it? Have you found yourself? Have you always been into it, first of all? Or have you found yourself getting more into it this season, like most of us? I've definitely tuned in and watched a little bit of Katelyn Clark. I wouldn't say that I've watched a lot of games. But yeah, I'll tune in occasionally and watch it. But honestly, sometimes I'll watch so much basketball. I'm just like, I don't even want it on my TV at times. But yeah, I have definitely seen Katelyn Clark. And it's been fun to watch. I know that we only, our brains can handle so much, like comp-wise. So immediately it started going, all right, who's her NBA comp? Can you place one for her for Katelyn? Oh man. I know it's tough. It's got to be like Steph Curry, right? Yeah. You know, the way she lights it up, her green light, she'll fire it from anywhere. I respect that. So I would say, yeah, I mean, a little bit of Steph Curry-ish like. Oh, comparison. Yeah. I was on competition. Oh. OK. Well, that could also work. Yeah, that's why my face was like that. Tyler, Brown and James may enter the transfer portal. He got us on April Fool's, whether he's going to Ohio State or Duke. Is that the right move for him? Should he stay at UC or USC? Should all this talk? Does he go pro? I don't think he's obviously ready to go pro, but his last name is James. What's your take? I'm not a big fan of the transfer portal. And I understand that it's worked out for different situations. A few issues I have with the portal is one. It opens right as the NCAA tournament starts. And I just feel like that's an obvious mistake because you have guys still playing and coaches trying to recruit the portal at a bad time. But I don't know what's right for him. Obviously, I would say he's got a pretty good resource to lie on. And also, there's a lot of probably incentives. I would say that a team that drafts Brown and James, there's probably a good likelihood that LeBron James would probably want to go to that team. So if you're a team like a small market team that has a chance to lay in LeBron, yeah, definitely, I would try to do that. But Brown and James, I mean, USC is a great campus. There's nothing wrong with LA. I mean, it's pretty good weather, pretty good lifestyle. I would probably stay there if he likes it. So is this, I haven't watched him as much, is Brown and James an actual NBA pro? If his name was Brownie Johnson, would he be the same? Would he get the same love? Or a lot of that has to do with these LeBron's kid? He can play. Can he still, is he still an actual prospect? I would say he's a prospect, but you got to understand who isn't a prospect as much as these guys, Scout and all these NBA scouts, they have a report on everybody. But I will say Brownie James is a smart player. And he does a lot of basketball things. He's not like an elite scorer that's going to explode scoring-wise. But defensively, he makes good passes. He plays basketball. He's athletic. He doesn't have a lot of size. But I would say he's a prospect. He's not like a top 10 pick, but also this year's draft is supposed to be a very weak draft. He's going to shock the world when he says he just wants to be an accountant. We're all going to be like, wow, good call. I wouldn't be shocked if that's what I would do. Just be your dad's accountant. Tyler, we appreciate the time as always. Thank you so much. Enjoy the rest of the tournament. What's left? Oh, for sure. We'll take a quick break. Come back, wrap things up. Warriors, three games up on the Rockets. Rockets kind of cooled off there for a second. But Draymond Green said tonight is the night to cancel and stop the Rockets season. Is it happening? I think it is. I think it's personal. I think they bit off a little bit more than they can chew. Tari Easton did. Tari Easton offered a season video to tell them to come out and play. They've come out and play. And the Rockets went on a nice little streak here. But yeah, I think their season comes crashing down when the Warriors. And you hate to run into a Warriors team that's ready to go and look forward to playing. It won five in a row. They're cooked. The Rockets have lost, too. Like, this is a bad combo. Warriors by double digits today. Oh, yeah. What is that? Do we know? It's by four and a half, four and a half. Oh, so you're going big. All over the Warriors. I want a classic. I want to put them to sleep, Steph. I want a classic one. And like the third quarter. Just because Easton did that, that's the only reason we don't like the Rockets today. But do we get Draymond and Dylan Brooks? Yeah, who am I going to love mixed up? Looks like mama's going to be on the couch. There shouldn't be an old school dust up in this one. The old school shenanigans. All right, that's going to do it for us. We will be here tomorrow. Chandler. I won't. No. No. No.