 So you mentioned field peas, that's one species that I've seen maybe some issues or concerns with as far as planting depth. Guys have split fields with like two planters and one is a little more shallow than the other one and we definitely get a lot more growth with the deeper planting. Do you have experience with what your target depth would be? Yeah, so with an oats field pea radish mix, we use the radish as the brassicas because radish can germinate from deeper than our canolas or turnips. So we're usually planting that mix a minimum of an inch up to an inch and a quarter deep even with the radish in there just to ensure our field peas and oats have a good establishment. Yeah, shallow planted field peas in my experience just don't do very well. Have you guys used any of that? Not field peas. I mean that is an issue with cover crops so so many of them of the smaller seed like you said the reed seed and they don't like to be planted very deep but what I mean one thing that you have to do is but like if you're planting behind wheat stubble that you have that layer that all that layer of residue that you have to get that seed you're better off planting that you know sometimes you have to set a little deeper you like but then just like take off the packing of the closing wheels so you don't push that seed down in there so you're still put it in fairly deep but leaving that loose soil instead of packing on top that helps sometimes with emergence on in that particular instance behind small grain. Well and the same line of that after small grain we have an older 750 no-till drill the firming wheels were quite wide and they don't get down in the furrow well so we've put a narrower firming wheel on that can actually get down into the furrow and firm that little seed down in there. We've seen a lot better emergence on that otherwise the wheel kind of sat there and never got to the seed. So yeah getting that seed actually in the dirt is probably helps the establishment.